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Speaker 1: great day. The Doug Gottlieb Show broadcast, same bad time,

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Speaker 1: same bat channel, every single stinking day. Sorry, and we're

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Speaker 1: fired at what an amazing time of year. What an

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Speaker 1: amazing time of year. Lots of firings or retirings you

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Speaker 1: might have heard from Dan Byer, like probably the least

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Speaker 1: discussed retirement firing. Whatever's Mike Schilt. I don't believe for

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Speaker 1: one second that he, by the way retired today. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: I mean listen. I want to get to Brian Callahan,

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Speaker 1: I want to get to James Franklin. But I mean listen.

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Speaker 1: I reserve the right to be wrong. I reserve the

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Speaker 1: right to be wrong. If he wants to spend more

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Speaker 1: time with his family, baseball does not really allow that.

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Speaker 1: If he has something an illness or older like a

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Speaker 1: parent who's sick, you want to spend I can't really

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Speaker 1: argue with that, but dude, what fifty seven years old

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Speaker 1: and he manages in San Diego and they by all accounts,

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Speaker 1: most people think they've underachieved in the playoffs the past

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Speaker 1: two years. I would take the a got to the

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Speaker 1: playoffs the past two years, but consider how much money they spent,

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Speaker 1: the swagger they played with, and the fact that they

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Speaker 1: were up two games to one of the Dodgers and

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Speaker 1: the Dodgers boat raced them. And then you know this

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Speaker 1: year they get beat by the Cubs, don't even get

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Speaker 1: to face the Dodgers. I think there was that was

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Speaker 1: a that was the mutual parting of ways. And then

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Speaker 1: you have Brian Callahan who's fired by the Titans. That

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Speaker 1: one's a case of two things right, and it happens

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Speaker 1: all the time when we have these first round draft

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Speaker 1: pick quarterbacks. Now. I don't know if Callahan knows what

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Speaker 1: he's doing. I do know that they weren't particularly competitive

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Speaker 1: for the most part this season. I think the crazy

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Speaker 1: part about it is, you know, you draft a rookie,

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Speaker 1: you're not gonna be great. But they did just beat

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals last week, but shut out by the Texans,

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Speaker 1: smoked by the Colts, beaten badly by the Rams. You know,

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Speaker 1: Rams and Colts at home. I think we knew where

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Speaker 1: this one was going. And the general manager that hired

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Speaker 1: him no longer works for the team. So when you

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Speaker 1: don't have somebody to have your back, when you're going

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Speaker 1: through a really hard season and you got a rookie quarterback,

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Speaker 1: this is what happens. But I think it's fascinating. Here

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Speaker 1: makes sense to me because the Titans could have a bump.

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Speaker 1: Do I think they're making the playoffs? I don't. But

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Speaker 1: got to go to the Niners, not for a while,

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Speaker 1: but the Niners are all banged up, Browns aren't particularly good.

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Speaker 1: There's some potential wins on that schedule. The juxtaposition of

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Speaker 1: more coaching firings over the weekend, most notably James Franklin

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Speaker 1: it rarely happens. In year one, they brew them, they

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Speaker 1: knows it. The point is, you've just led a match

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Speaker 1: preseason top ten team. Heck, you were top five of

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Speaker 1: the country going back two weeks ago. It doesn't feel good.

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Speaker 1: But have you seen what's happened to my own water?

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Speaker 1: The only thing that people are pumped up about with

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Speaker 1: a section. That's it. That's what the football games have become.

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Speaker 1: Next weekend's homecoming. Who's gonna go to that?

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Speaker 1: When three of your top players have put themselves in

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Speaker 1: next year. The coaches all know they won't be there

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Speaker 1: next year. Like for a week, it's kind of fun, right.

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Speaker 1: the season, the interim coach can, Hey, let's run some

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Speaker 1: if you will. Brian Callahan's one and five, and it's

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Speaker 1: very unlikely, very unlikely that that season will flip. But

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Speaker 1: Maybe get in the playoffs. Probably not. Maybe makes a

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Speaker 1: But the players can't leave. All the players are gone

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Speaker 1: that the student athlete experience is important to you when

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Speaker 1: you fire their head coach six games in the season, right,

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Speaker 1: they still got to go to Iowa, still got to

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Speaker 1: go Ohio State. Indiana comes in, who looks like world

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Speaker 1: What was the win in firing James Franklin today?

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Speaker 1: You didn't get ahead of anybody trying to hire Matt ruhle. Right,

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Speaker 1: all you did was you you showed your hand to Nebraska,

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Speaker 1: which they might have thought anyway, but you showed your

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Speaker 1: hand in Nebraska where down Nebraska has until probably December

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Speaker 1: to figure out how we can keep our coach. If

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Speaker 1: we want to keep our coach. He's at Penn State.

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Speaker 1: Alum is the Ada Penn State. It's one of his

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Speaker 1: closest friends. So the juxtaposition of two different firings, one

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Speaker 1: Franklin's Penn State Nadaney Lions. They won two games in

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Speaker 1: the playoffs last year, did they not? Those are big games.

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Speaker 1: Who cares about the number of the rankings next to you?

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Speaker 1: So you're allowed to pay a guy forty nine million dollars,

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Speaker 1: not coach. You're allowed to fire a guy whenever you want,

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Speaker 1: treat him with dignity. But you've quit on an entire

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Speaker 1: football program. You've lit a match, and you've done so

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Speaker 1: six games into a season. Yes, they fire coaches in

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Speaker 1: the NFL not as often, and the players can't leave,

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Speaker 1: not under contract. It's a completely different deal. Please stop

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Speaker 1: fire him, So you fire him over one loss. Again,

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Speaker 1: to love and hate from the weekend.

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Speaker 3: What did you love?

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Speaker 4: God?

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Speaker 3: What did you hate?

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Speaker 1: Love Love, love, hate, hate, hate? What'd you love from

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Speaker 5: What a Saturday? It was started with the Buckeyes getting

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Speaker 5: a solid win at Illinois. Now there are many a

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Speaker 6: Hey, Dan, I know that maybe you have this for

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Speaker 6: I was hoping you were going to mention a certain influencer.

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Speaker 6: that they don't have Indiana on their schedule this year. Yes,

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Speaker 5: Come people will say anything, they truly will, And I

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Speaker 5: It also ran because they just got past Texas, and

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Speaker 5: Texas hasn't been great. I don't even even know if

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Speaker 5: But it's just funny on how teams want to fast

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Speaker 5: that's that's fun. Not saying it would be a blowout

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Speaker 7: Yes, last year, the Hoosiers, who were undefeated at the time,

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Speaker 5: But again, year to year, it's different in college football.

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Speaker 7: But yeah, no one's talking about the buck Eyes and

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Speaker 7: They're just like, yeah, Pence, well Penn in the Buckeyes. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: But that's what I love. Saturday.

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Speaker 5: It was a good day, Samon.

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Speaker 1: Would you love?

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Speaker 7: Oh boy? Well, I hate to be a sore winner here,

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Speaker 7: I know they've had some quarterback issues, but they just

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Speaker 7: This year they get shut out. I know how painful

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Speaker 5: Have you seen worst quarterback play in the history of

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Speaker 7: I think from twenty twenty one to twenty twenty three

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Speaker 7: I think they're on like their second or third guy. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 7: it's been rough for them, but correct they can't even

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Speaker 7: out thirty seven to nothing? Are you kidding me? I'm

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Speaker 7: hoisting right now, Dan got me this little Heartland Trophy

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Speaker 7: and I'm hoisting it up right now in studio. Yes,

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Speaker 5: ESPN does their total quarterback rink rating, which is zero

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Speaker 5: It's zero zero two. You have five dougs in at five,

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Speaker 7: I'm gonna say eleven eleven Jason, uh seven and a half? Okay,

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Speaker 7: zero point eight? Zero zero? How is that possible?

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Speaker 1: That is that bad?

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Speaker 5: Eight or twenty one yards picked off twice? And I

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Speaker 5: actually think it looked worse. I saw some highlights, so yes,

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Speaker 7: It was bad And I almost feel kind of bad though,

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Speaker 1: Think about Iowa. Iowa get got Wisconsin when they stink,

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Speaker 7: And yeah, backup quarterback and interim coach, so they better

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Speaker 1: So I'll tell you what I love. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: violate the core tenons of a philosophy I have, which is,

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Speaker 1: don't no one cares about your vacations, about your adult

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Speaker 1: Dan Byer from the Weekend. Ready, let's hurt Lad McConkey,

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Speaker 1: uh Smith and Jigba, Jonathan Taylor, Cam Scattaboo, Uh Tucker Craft, touchdown,

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Speaker 5: Oh yes, outside of Henry, Like that's Henry still had

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Speaker 6: But a real small league team.

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Speaker 1: On the league. There are ten teams. Ten teams, sure,

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Speaker 5: That's actually that's it's pretty pretty good squad, especially with

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Speaker 1: But what happens with me, there's only two things that

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Speaker 1: I'd grown up playing football with my boy Joe Prato,

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Speaker 1: The next year, I was like, hey, I'm in Wisconsin.

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Speaker 1: I want them. I didn't give it this one. I

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Speaker 5: Well, I think with that, you know that lineup in

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Speaker 5: year was not good for you, but now he has emerged, correct, Jase, do.

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Speaker 6: You know among the list of things that you just mentioned,

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Speaker 6: to hear about your golf round. You know, how you

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Speaker 6: So it was birthday weekend for me and I told Christina,

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Speaker 7: Is he going to take you on vacation.

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Speaker 6: No, he's got a wedding coming up, so that's going

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Speaker 5: It's Jacob also cast in the Survivor baseball pool that

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Speaker 1: Let's get to what we hated from the weekend start

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Speaker 6: So like the kind of the clicheted low hanging fruit

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Speaker 6: How could they have charged you didn't watch the game.

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Speaker 6: They kicked the Dolphins ass for three plus quarters. I

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Speaker 6: don't give me the Chargers no longer charger bull crap.

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Speaker 6: That was a chargering that they got lucky against an

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Speaker 7: The Chargers were in the process of chargering and the

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Speaker 1: I mean Look, they get the Colts at home obviously

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Speaker 5: contention in late September, fifteen days prior to the firing,

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Speaker 5: they were playing a competitive game against Oregon. Now they

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Speaker 5: have a completely off day against UCLA, and sure the

433
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Speaker 5: loss to the Northwestern is probably inexcusable, but to dismiss

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Speaker 5: him at this time, to me makes everything that I

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Speaker 5: agree with everything that you said. What a bad job

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Speaker 5: by the administration and the front office. And there are

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Speaker 5: rumors that the shoe company and the shoe deal and

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Speaker 5: the apparel deal may have had something to do with it.

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Speaker 5: Even if that was the case, he still could have

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Speaker 5: waited to the end of the year. I don't know

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Speaker 5: what we are doing in college sports. I don't know

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Speaker 5: what we're doing in college football, But to fire James

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Speaker 5: Franklin at this point I thought was ridiculous. So I

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Speaker 5: agree with you, Doug, completely, completely agree.

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Speaker 7: I have a question.

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Speaker 1: We have lost our way, Yes, go ahead.

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Speaker 7: Question for Dan and for everybody. If Drew Aller had

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Speaker 7: not sustained a season ending injury, do you think it

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Speaker 7: would he still would have been fired James Franklin because

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Speaker 7: now it's like you don't have a quarterback, and so

451
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Speaker 7: you don't have a team. Now, no, yeah, it's completely team.

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Speaker 7: The only guy that could probably keep your team together

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Speaker 7: was James Franklin.

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Speaker 5: So you never have a team. I don't know what

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Speaker 5: they're doing yet. Another month, a month and a half. Right,

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Speaker 5: you don't make the playoff, you turned down a bull bid,

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Speaker 5: you say we're not going. That's fine, Just get to

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Speaker 5: the end of November. Six more weeks, that's all it was.

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Speaker 1: Correct. Correct, it's a joke. What's happening in college athletics,

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Speaker 1: and it's like they're competitive, Like, oh, you think you

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Speaker 1: can fire you get ahead of us. Arkansas fire is

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Speaker 1: a guy, and then Oklahoma State fire is a guy,

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Speaker 1: and then said, like, what are we doing? What's the point.

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Speaker 1: It's almost like you have to be in a like

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Speaker 1: we gotta be an a hole because we're losing instead

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Speaker 1: of and then and then they'll all put out some

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Speaker 1: like post on social media like thank you so much what.

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Speaker 7: He had you in the playoff winning games last year.

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Speaker 7: That's the thing.

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Speaker 1: They won two of them.

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Speaker 7: I know they won two of them.

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Speaker 1: And honestly, honest to God, I'm with Dan. I swear

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Speaker 1: to god, you can fire coach. That's fine. What are

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Speaker 1: we doing? Here's the hypocrisy to it. I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to hear Oklahoma States different. I don't

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Speaker 1: want to hear Penn State's different. Stop it. You're a

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Speaker 1: bunch of freaking liars. Our place is different. We treat

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Speaker 1: people with class, with dignity. It's about the student athlete experience. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So James Franklin recruit every one of those players. They're

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Speaker 1: gonna go through senior night and he's not gonna be

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Speaker 1: there to shake their hand. There has some interim coach.

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Speaker 1: Nobody's gonn everybody's gonna fired and be three quarters full.

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Speaker 1: Why why? What? And again what was gained by firing

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Speaker 1: a coach? Does he have any off the field issues?

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Speaker 1: Has he committed any Nancy A violations?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: His crime, the only punishable crime they will tell you

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Speaker 1: in college sports is what losing everything else you can

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Speaker 1: come back from. Okay, So, Penn State a program that

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Speaker 1: was disgraced. Okay, Penn State, just see people are aware. Okay,

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Speaker 1: in State used to have a big sign in their

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Speaker 1: athletic department and it said success with honor, Success with honor,

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Speaker 1: and that was all brought down, Okay because of the

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Speaker 1: scandal that led to the ouster of Joe Paterno, then

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Speaker 1: Joe Paterno's death right, and then Sandusky affair. So they

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Speaker 1: start to rebuild with with O'Brien he leaves, James Franklin

497
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Speaker 1: comes in and he takes it from a used to

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Speaker 1: be unbelievably programmed to one that was pretty good and

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Speaker 1: in this really challenging time, gets it to the first

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Speaker 1: ever college fball playoff and they're pick top ten. They

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Speaker 1: get the quarterback to come back, and so you fire

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Speaker 1: a guy six games in the season. Where's the honor

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Speaker 1: in it. Don't tell me we are Penn State. We're

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Speaker 1: so much better.

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Speaker 4: No, you're not.

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Speaker 1: You're just like the schools in the South that you

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Speaker 1: act like you're morally superior to. You are. Okay, you're

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Speaker 1: a football factory. And it also opens up the door

509
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Speaker 1: to the Hey, the real reason you didn't look at

510
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Speaker 1: the Sandusky thing was because you're winning at the time.

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Speaker 1: And the only thing that matters in State College is

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Speaker 1: the only thing that matters in still Water is the

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Speaker 1: only that matters in Norman. Is the only matters that

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Speaker 1: any schools is winning and losing again, and it has

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Speaker 1: no honor to it. I don't know. James Franklin not

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Speaker 1: a friend of mine. He's not an enemy of mine.

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Speaker 1: I know that you treated him like crap. And more importantly,

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Speaker 1: you treat all those players like crap. And the only

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Speaker 1: thing they did was lose three games. That's what they

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Speaker 1: did wrong. Shame on them. Yeah, I hated it too.

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Speaker 8: Heat flew through you.

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Speaker 3: I love that.

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Speaker 1: I love that, and that is love and hate.

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Speaker 7: We're not quite done yet. Also, he's getting forty nine

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Speaker 7: million dollars so he won't be in a van down

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Speaker 7: by the river, which is nice.

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Speaker 1: No, no, but and listen, and which is absurd.

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Speaker 7: Forty nine million dollars the second biggest buy it of all.

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Speaker 3: No, it's not.

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Speaker 1: Do you know why coaches have those big buyouts.

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Speaker 7: That's a lot of bundy.

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Speaker 1: No, do you know why they have those big buys?

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Speaker 7: Tell me why he's getting forty nine million.

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Speaker 1: The idea is, we I have this ridiculous buyout. So

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Speaker 1: if I have a bad run where I lose a

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Speaker 1: couple of games in a row, you can't fire me.

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Speaker 1: You let me work it.

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Speaker 7: That didn't work, they said.

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Speaker 1: Now now you're gonna pay fifty million dollars and all

540
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Speaker 1: you're gonna do is increase student fees and go back

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Speaker 1: to the same donors and ask them for more money

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Speaker 1: and more hope. And meanwhile you set the program back.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're not obviously not gonna finish grade this

544
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Speaker 1: year next year. They want it, Well, it's gonna it

545
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Speaker 1: takes two years. It takes two years.

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Speaker 5: So but hey, Nitney Lyon, Steve and Eerie is sure

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Speaker 5: happy today because he can go to the message board and.

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Speaker 1: Fire fire everybody because they lost the game. Dumb, that's

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Speaker 1: love and hate again. I want to make sure this

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Speaker 1: is very clear. Okay, And when we edit this thing

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Speaker 1: and we put it on social media, you are absolutely

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Speaker 1: allowed to fire a coach, all of it. Like every

553
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Speaker 1: coach will tell you, you're just your coach till you

554
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: get fired. That's your expectations. At some point, everybody gets fired.

555
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: But I'm man I lost if you fired the coach,

556
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: like what, you just act like a You act like

557
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: an in insignificant, insecure teenager who can't handle the fact

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Speaker 1: that you're not as good as you thought you should be.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't win big games, you're allowed to fire him.

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Speaker 1: He did win two collegeootball playoff games. There's no bigger

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Speaker 1: games than those.

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Speaker 6: Sorry.

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Speaker 3: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in

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Speaker 3: the nation yet. Catch all of our shows at Fox

565
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Speaker 3: sports radio dot com and within the iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: App stuck Ott Leave show here on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if we've had this discussion yet, but

568
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Speaker 1: maybe we should. If you listen to the podcast, you're like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what song you're talking about. But if

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Speaker 1: you're not listening to the podcast, if you're listening to

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Speaker 1: the radio show, Uh, that song by what do you know?

572
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Speaker 1: What do you know that song from? Or do you

573
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Speaker 1: not know that song?

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Speaker 5: No, I know this song?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 7: Is it? Who is it?

577
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Speaker 2: Rusted Root?

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Speaker 7: Is that it is?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I don't.

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Speaker 5: I don't know what movie it's from or it.

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Speaker 7: Was in Sam, Well, it looks like it was maybe

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Speaker 7: a central theme song of Party of five because oh,

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Speaker 7: I never sardar google ai ad it again? No, it

585
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Speaker 7: says it's uh because it's the.

586
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Speaker 3: Ice Age YouTube.

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Speaker 1: Ice age is what ice Age is what I remember

588
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Speaker 1: that that song was.

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Speaker 7: No, I'm on YouTube and and the song has a

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Speaker 7: backdrop of Party of five. So I'm guessing that was

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Speaker 7: like one of their their theme songs.

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Speaker 6: I don't know. I don't know which one is more

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Speaker 6: to blame in this exchange. Uh, because we had this

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Speaker 6: exact conversation three weeks ago on the air, and Sam

595
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Speaker 6: was told in that moment it was ice Age, yet

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Speaker 6: he's still googling it. So uh, I never fell dug

597
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Speaker 6: in these situations. It's Groundhog Day, every day, Doug. But

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Speaker 6: Sam should know better.

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Speaker 1: See, here's the thing, Jason, that I've mastered. I've mastered

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Speaker 1: the art of not assuming that people were listening three

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Speaker 1: weeks ago. Right, So you got to act like you're

602
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Speaker 1: surprised or you got to act like it's a new

603
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Speaker 1: question when it is clearly not. Tom Telesco will join

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Speaker 1: us after we get an update from Dan Byer. But

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Speaker 1: Tommy's former team was the Chargers. He was the GM

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Speaker 1: for eleven years and one of those games where you

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Speaker 1: felt like they were the better team. They struggled to

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Speaker 1: stop Miami, but gave up a score late, marched down

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Speaker 1: the field and it did feel like they were charging again,

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Speaker 1: did it not? Jase Doo?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, my argument is that they did charger it. But

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Speaker 6: I'm going to save it for my hate.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we'll get to love and hate top of the hour. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: Justin Herbert under pressure, looked like he was going to

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Speaker 1: get sacked, kind of Shed's a tackler. Throws it to

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Speaker 1: Laddi McConkie. Lad McConkie does the rest, gets him into

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Speaker 1: field goal range. They run the ball a couple of times.

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Speaker 1: Kick if you'll go win the game, and Jim and

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Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh says this.

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Speaker 4: That play would be burning my mind for so they

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Speaker 4: throw dirt over top of me. Justin Herbert back to

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Speaker 4: throw the defender wrapped around him. You know he's able

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Speaker 4: to just mighty man it and shake it off and

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Speaker 4: hit Ladd Maconkey. Lad does his stop fly by and

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Speaker 4: starts starts getting that necessary yardage, and here comes Zion

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Speaker 4: Johnson flying ahead of Ladd. I mean, just the type

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Speaker 4: of type of effort, the type of you know, the

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Speaker 4: want to you know, the the great desire to win.

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Speaker 4: He gets that block shielded and you know there's another

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Speaker 4: twenty another twenty yards. Yeah, I'm gonna remember that play

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Speaker 4: till they throw dirt over top of me. That's how

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Speaker 4: great I feel about feel about that.

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Speaker 1: Just Herbert special, special player. And after a two game

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Speaker 1: losing streak, they survived from charging. We'll hear more on

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Speaker 1: that when Jason Stewart extracts his pound of flesh in

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Speaker 1: Love and Hate top of the hour. It's the Doug

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Speaker 1: Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. He joins us

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Speaker 1: every week, and uh, there's there's no better kind of

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Speaker 1: voice of reason than the guy for the last twelve

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Speaker 1: years been the jo manager of the Chargers and the Raiders.

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Speaker 1: He's time Telesco. Uh, he's spent his entire professional life

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Speaker 1: in the Nation Football League, and he joins us. Let's

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Speaker 1: let's start with the news of the day. Brian Callahan

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Speaker 1: fired as head coach of the Tennessee Titans. What's your

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Speaker 1: immediate reaction.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'm not surprised. I mean I was.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 2: I watched the game yesterday with the Raiders, you know,

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Speaker 2: because I've got rooting interest in the Raiders.

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Speaker 8: So I watched that game from beginning to end, and

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Speaker 8: I remarked to my wife during the game that, you know,

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Speaker 8: it was a tough watch.

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Speaker 2: It was just it was an uncompetitive game. And I

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Speaker 2: just told her, I'm like, like, this is hard for

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Speaker 2: us to watch it.

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Speaker 8: Can you imagine if you're a Titan fan. And then

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Speaker 8: when I saw the close after the game by Jeffrey

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Speaker 8: Simmons that you know that we had a poor week.

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Speaker 8: You practice report Thursday practice they're running was kind of

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Speaker 8: on the wall at that point, which is it's disappointing

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Speaker 8: because if you watch the game yesterday, you know, it's

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Speaker 8: hard to know, or actually it's not hard to know,

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Speaker 8: as I watched yesterday, is there enough talent out there

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Speaker 8: for them right now?

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Speaker 2: And there just isn't. If you look on offense with

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Speaker 2: they have around campboard right now, it's just not where

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Speaker 2: it needs to be yet. And Calvin really got hurt

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Speaker 2: in the second quarter. They had a lot of receivers

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Speaker 2: out there that it almost looked like a preseason game.

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Speaker 8: So offensive line hasn't played well that that was supposed

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Speaker 8: to be a strength of theirs, and so there just isn't.

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Speaker 2: A lot around them right now. So that's that's the

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Speaker 2: hard part.

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Speaker 8: When you make these moves and you let the head

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Speaker 8: coach go at a GM, you got to look at

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Speaker 8: yourself too.

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Speaker 2: I hey, is there enough resources right now for us

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Speaker 2: to win? I look out there right now, I don't

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Speaker 2: see it, but you could see there running on the

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Speaker 2: wall after the game yesterday. You could kind of feel

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Speaker 2: it coming. Unfortunately, Yeah you could.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you know they they hired a new GM,

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Speaker 1: who then hired Callahan. So now I mean again, as

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Speaker 1: long as they don't change gms, that GM is going

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Speaker 1: to make the next higher. What's the process really like?

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Speaker 1: Right Like, there's all kinds of assumptions on what it's like.

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Speaker 1: You've been part of several of these coaching searches with

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Speaker 1: the Chargers. When you were with the Raiders, that was

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Speaker 1: already kind of done. What's this process like when it

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Speaker 1: happens mid season?

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Speaker 2: Well, and this isn't even midseason. This is so early.

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Speaker 2: The interesting thing with the Titans is, you know Ran

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Speaker 2: Carfin or was their GM last year, he's one who

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Speaker 2: hired Brian Callahan. But with the Titans did which I

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Speaker 2: really haven't seen this before. When Ran with the GM,

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Speaker 2: they promoted the assistant GM to president, so basically above

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Speaker 2: Ran and then that president decided to fire Ran Carfin

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Speaker 2: and hire his own GM. So again that's not typical

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Speaker 2: that you see in the.

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Speaker 8: NFL, but I can definitely see what this new regime

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Speaker 8: with the new president and the new GM. You know,

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Speaker 8: they probably want their own head coach. So there's not

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Speaker 8: much you can do now other than you're just researching

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Speaker 8: candidates and you've got a long time to do it.

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Speaker 8: You're gonna have to be careful because most of the

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Speaker 8: candidates are with other teams, whether as assistant coaches or

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Speaker 8: head coaches or at the college level, So a lot

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Speaker 8: of your work is going to be making some phone

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Speaker 8: calls talking with people, but obviously not talking direct to

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Speaker 8: any any potential coaches.

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Speaker 2: But the number one thing is you have to put

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Speaker 2: together what do we want in this head coach.

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Speaker 8: There's a lot of different ways to go and kind

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Speaker 8: of put down a description of Hey, these are the

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Speaker 8: non negotiables who want this head coach, these.

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Speaker 2: Are the things we would like, and then try.

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Speaker 8: And fit the candidates to that.

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Speaker 2: But you've got to cancel.

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Speaker 8: Why it's not as possible. There's plenty of time to

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Speaker 8: do their homework on this, and they'll start interviewing right

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Speaker 8: after the season.

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Speaker 2: But this is just they have a long runway to

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Speaker 2: do this.

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Speaker 8: But the second part of this is the talent on

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Speaker 8: the team just has to be upgraded. They got to

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Speaker 8: have a plan in place to help this quarterback on

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Speaker 8: offense and get more talent on defense.

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Speaker 1: Steut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, that's the

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Speaker 1: voice of Tom Telesco. He joins his Tom, I'm sure

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Speaker 1: you've heard what Tuus said in the press conference where

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Speaker 1: he said, you know, we've guys showing up late for

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Speaker 1: players only meetings, calling out some of his teammates, and

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Speaker 1: he's talked about the leadership. Well, again, how does that

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Speaker 1: land on you? I mean, I know how it lands

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Speaker 1: on me when you hear it. How does it land.

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Speaker 8: I would rather that player come to me and talk

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Speaker 8: about it and keep it in house before rather than

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Speaker 8: put it out publicly, and.

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Speaker 2: I think, just to give some context here, and obviously

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Speaker 2: I'm not in their building, I'm assuming he wasn't.

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Speaker 8: Talking about like a big, wide ranging all player team meeting.

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Speaker 8: I think he was probably more talking about the position

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Speaker 8: meetings that happened amongst players during off time, because, as

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Speaker 8: you know, as a coach, you can't spend twenty.

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Speaker 2: Four to seven with your players. You have other duties

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Speaker 2: to do, you have video to watch, you have coaching

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Speaker 2: meetings to attend. So a lot of times a position

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Speaker 2: group they may get together post practice just players. Could

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Speaker 2: be early in the morning, as it could be on

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Speaker 2: a Tuesday's day off, so they meet informally.

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Speaker 8: And if this is not happening at the way it

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Speaker 8: should be, your players are blowing them off. I would

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Speaker 8: rather that player come to see me or the head

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Speaker 8: coach and then we'll handle it and we'll go through that,

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Speaker 8: or the players hands and handle it with the other players.

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Speaker 8: But I just think when you take it public, you're

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Speaker 8: taking a problem and just throwing gasoline on it. And

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Speaker 8: now it's even a bigger problem.

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Speaker 2: So it's something they'ren have to.

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Speaker 8: Handle now in house. But you would have rather handle

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Speaker 8: it between the head coach at GM and the quarterback

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Speaker 8: right public with this.

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Speaker 1: I agree, And it's interesting, right, like he's a guy

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Speaker 1: who has always faulted on the side of doing all

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Speaker 1: these little things kind of extra the right way, almost

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Speaker 1: trying to believe be politically correct. Why would he why

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Speaker 1: would he do that? Well, I know neither of us know.

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Speaker 1: Just hypothesize for a second, and Tom, why do you

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Speaker 1: think to a tongue of Ailoa whose coaches under pressure

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Speaker 1: team is not playing well, why do you think he

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Speaker 1: would say that?

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Speaker 2: This would be my hypothesis looking at it, that this

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Speaker 2: has been going on for a really long time. He's frustrated.

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Speaker 8: And anytime as a player or as a coach, when

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Speaker 8: you come off the field after a tough loss and

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Speaker 8: you're doing a press conference within ten minutes of the

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Speaker 8: game ending, sometimes you say some things that you normally

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Speaker 8: wouldn't say. And to me, I think it probably went

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Speaker 8: down that route. I just don't think he went in

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Speaker 8: that press conference thinking I'm going to talk about this publicly,

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Speaker 8: I'm going to try and get this thing moving this way.

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Speaker 8: I just don't think he would handle like that.

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Speaker 2: I just think it was a moment of weakness where

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Speaker 2: he said it, it got out and now they're gonna

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Speaker 2: have to deal with it.

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Speaker 1: Do you think he can? Can you be a quarterback

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Speaker 1: if like the guys don't trust him.

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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I actually in play watching the

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Speaker 2: offense is not the problem. They're moving the ball pretty well,

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Speaker 2: they're scoring points.

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Speaker 8: The problem has been on defense. They haven't been to

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Speaker 8: stop anybody. So he's been doing his part. Hasn't been

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Speaker 8: as good as it was a couple of years ago. No,

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Speaker 8: when they're putting up eye popping numbers, but they they're

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Speaker 8: converting at a high number and a third down and

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Speaker 8: they're scoring points on offense. So right now, defensively they

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Speaker 8: have to find a way to get stops and that's

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Speaker 8: not happening now. The quarterback is the leader of the

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Speaker 8: football team. You're the face the franchise, so there are.

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Speaker 2: Some things you have to take on publicly. But no,

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Speaker 2: he's doing his part as far as his play is concerned.

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Speaker 1: Stet Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the

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Speaker 1: voice of Tom te LESCo. He's former general manager of

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Speaker 1: both the La Chargers and the Las Vegas Raiders. He

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Speaker 1: joins us every week here in the program. Okay, Dylan

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Speaker 1: Gabriel really struggles, right. I mean, you're playing Pittsburgh on

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Speaker 1: the road, and Pittsburgh's defense hasn't been good, but it

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Speaker 1: was good. Sacked in six times yesterday, and there seem

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Speaker 1: to be some give up in the Browns. What's that

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Speaker 1: coaching staff, what's that front office thinking in terms of

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Speaker 1: what they're doing with their quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're just in a tough spot right now.

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Speaker 8: That was a very challenging matchup for Dylan Gabriel. I

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Speaker 8: know the Steelers defense hadn't played the way we expected

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Speaker 8: them to play earlier in the year, but they have

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Speaker 8: a ton of talent. It's starting to come together. The

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Speaker 8: Pittsburgh defense played very well yesterday. And the Browns right now,

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Speaker 8: you know, they're not to the point where they're the

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Speaker 8: Titans as far as talent wise, but they just don't

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Speaker 8: have enough around that quarterback position.

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Speaker 2: Yet.

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Speaker 8: It didn't matter if it was Joe Flacco playing quarterback

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Speaker 8: or Dylan Gabriel. There just isn't enough talent around.

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Speaker 2: The team on a quarterback, on the offensive line, and

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Speaker 2: in some of the skill positions. They're just very young.

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Speaker 2: They had an awesome draft this year, a big time draft.

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Speaker 8: These guys are going to be cornerstone players for them,

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Speaker 8: but it's hard for them all as rookies.

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Speaker 2: To play like veterans this early. So Dylan's in a

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Speaker 2: tough spot. Now. They threw the ball a lot in

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Speaker 2: the game. Now they were down, so that doesn't contributed

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Speaker 2: to it. But in reality, the Browns are still they're

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Speaker 2: still rebuilding, you know, losing all the.

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Speaker 8: Draft picks when they had to make the quarterback trade

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Speaker 8: and now starting to kind of get back a little

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Speaker 8: bit more cap space, a little bit more assets in

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Speaker 8: the draft. They have a lot of picks next year,

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Speaker 8: so they're still building. And right now it puts Hill

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Speaker 8: in Gael Gabriel in a tough spot just because he doesn't.

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Speaker 2: Have a ton around him to move the football. But

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Speaker 2: it's something they're going to have to just figure out

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Speaker 2: a way for the rest of the season.

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Speaker 1: Drake May Again, I'm not going to tell you I've

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Speaker 1: watched the game. I did see a bunch of the highlights,

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Speaker 1: the numbers three touchdowns and interceptions two sixty one. Now

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Speaker 1: he's paying the Saints, who are particularly good. But this

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Speaker 1: is on the back of beating Buffalo in Buffalo. What

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Speaker 1: what's the GM's I view of Drake May as a quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's really starting to take off. It's interesting in

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Speaker 2: the draft, he was a bit of a polarizing.

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Speaker 8: Player among scouts and coaches. There are some scouts and

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Speaker 8: coaches that loved them, and there are some scouts and coaches.

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Speaker 2: That didn't think he could play. And I thought he'd

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Speaker 2: be a backup quarterback.

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Speaker 8: In the end, So I think you have to look

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Speaker 8: at all the tools that he has. I got a

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Speaker 8: chance to see him in the Holiday Bowl when he

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Speaker 8: was a sophomore. They actually UNC played against Oregon and

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Speaker 8: the Holly Bowl in San.

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Speaker 2: Diego, and Drake May put out. He had a great game.

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Speaker 2: He had a ton of NFL throws. Then he came

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Speaker 2: back for his junior year, and you know that people

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Speaker 2: are making some excuses for me. He didn't have as

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Speaker 2: good a year, wasn't as accurate, didn't have the same

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Speaker 2: type of team around him, didn't have the same type

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Speaker 2: of NFL talent he had the year before. But you

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Speaker 2: can see the size, the athletic ability, the.

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Speaker 8: Arm strength, the intangibles, the makeup and the preparation skills.

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Speaker 2: The accuracy part and decision making had to keep coming

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Speaker 2: along and it has as you get into year two,

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Speaker 2: he just looks so comfortable in the pocket. He's reading

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Speaker 2: the field really well. And really, if you look at

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Speaker 2: the Patriots, they don't have a ton of talent yet

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Speaker 2: they're still building like some of these other teams that

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Speaker 2: has talked about, they're.

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Speaker 8: Still adding talent.

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Speaker 2: But right now he's playing above where he probably should

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Speaker 2: be at this point of his And then obviously the

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Speaker 2: head coach has really.

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Speaker 8: Put a culture in there that that works right now

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Speaker 8: and defense is playing well. But it's been really fun

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Speaker 8: to watch Drake May really take big steps and big

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Speaker 8: strides in two years.

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Speaker 1: Stuck gotlig show here on Fox Sports Radio. Tom Telesco

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Speaker 1: is our guest, what do you make of the research

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Speaker 1: in Kansas City Chiefs.

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Speaker 8: You know, the focus is always on Mahomes, which is understandable,

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Speaker 8: and the offensive struggle a little bit earlier in the year,

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Speaker 8: and you just know with Andy Reid like they're going

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Speaker 8: to get it figured out, and it looks like they have.

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Speaker 2: But to me, the biggest thing is the defense. The

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Speaker 2: defense has played extremely well. The defense is what it

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Speaker 2: has been really.

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Speaker 8: The strongest part of this team the last couple of years,

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Speaker 8: and it seems like people don't talk about it, but

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Speaker 8: you know, they get against the Lions, which is, you know,

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Speaker 8: wheen of the highest scoring teams in the NFL, an

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Speaker 8: excellent team. Both they have both speed and physicality.

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Speaker 2: About the Casey defense did a tremendous job.

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Speaker 8: They went on third down, they went on fourth down,

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Speaker 8: they went toe to toe with the Lions. So I'm

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Speaker 8: not surprised that the Chiefs, the coaching staff Andy Reeve

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Speaker 8: de Spagnolo, didn't.

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Speaker 2: Start off the way they had anticipated.

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Speaker 8: And he make some adjustments, you start fixing some things,

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Speaker 8: and you know, we're kind of seeing now this Chiefs

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Speaker 8: team looks pretty similar to the way the team looked

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Speaker 8: last year when I finished the year.

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Speaker 2: So we'll see if they can keep it up. But

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Speaker 2: I thought the defense just played really, really well yesterday.

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Speaker 1: We haven't talked since Thursday Night Football, but in the

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Speaker 1: surprising results of the year, the Giants thoroughly beating the

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles. Is that more about the Giants or about

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Speaker 1: the Eagles?

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's probably got to be both.

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Speaker 8: I mean, you look at how the Giants played, just

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Speaker 8: the mentality and the enthusiasm that Jackson Dart brings that

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Speaker 8: Cam Scattibow brings to the team now.

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Speaker 2: That Giants still have their issues on the offensive line,

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Speaker 2: they still have some issues on offense. I think that

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Speaker 2: Giants defense is very strong, and the Eagles are just

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Speaker 2: going through a tough point right now.

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Speaker 8: They're still trying to find their identity, which typically has

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Speaker 8: been to lean on the run game and then you

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Speaker 8: know a lot of RPOs. You know, throw it when

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Speaker 8: we have to and kind of get back to what

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Speaker 8: they are.

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Speaker 2: They're still going through that transition to having a new coordinator,

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Speaker 2: so there's there have to be some patients there. But

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Speaker 2: I think we even talked about this a couple of

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Speaker 2: weeks ago. This is where the head coach who has

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Speaker 2: an offensive background is where you need to.

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Speaker 8: Step in and get things settled down on offense, getting

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Speaker 8: back to what their identity is, which is the offensive

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Speaker 8: line running the football and then like letting Hurts, you know,

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Speaker 8: move around a little bit, move the pocket. And they

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Speaker 8: have a lot of weapons on offense between the tight

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Speaker 8: ends and receivers, but just being able to use it correctly.

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Speaker 8: But I was impressed with the Giants with how they played.

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Speaker 8: I think Giants defense is outstanding.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a big part of it too. But

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Speaker 2: I still think in the end, the Eagles are going

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Speaker 2: to figure it out. It's just like the Chiefs did.

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Speaker 2: It's just taking them a little bit extra time.

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Speaker 1: Temmy of the Best Man should be a fun night

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Speaker 1: with a doubleheader. You got to just about everything we

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Speaker 1: wanted to get to and we just appreciate it. Sincerely,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for being our guests.

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Speaker 2: Awesome Thanks for having on care Docs