1 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to will Gate f Daily 2 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: with Meet your Girl, Danielle Moody, recording back live from 3 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 1: the Brooklyn Silarium. Folks, First of all, I want to 4 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: come back and say thank you so very much for 5 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: all of your birthday wishes, well wishes, um. It has 6 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: meant a lot to me. This has been a fantastic, 7 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 1: fantastic week off. As always, I say to every single 8 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: one of you that it's important to recharge, it's important 9 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: to rest. I found myself a bit feeling a bit 10 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 1: guilty um at the beginning of last week when I 11 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: was deciding to take off for my birthday, and then 12 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 1: recognizing why not. We all deserve rest, we deserve joy, 13 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: we deserve to tap out, um, and so I appreciate 14 00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: each and every one of you for allowing me to 15 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: do so. I hope that you enjoyed the conversations that 16 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: we put in place while we were out. But now 17 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: we are back, and let me start off with this. 18 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: You know, I have not been following to the greatest 19 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: degree all of the details of the Kyle Rittenhouse trial. 20 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: And it is for a number of reasons. One because 21 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: I know how it's going to end. Armed angry white 22 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:31,839 Speaker 1: men in America get away with everything. They get away 23 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 1: with lynching, they get away with physical abuse, they get 24 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: away with harm, they get away with intimidation and threatening. 25 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: You know, we never talk when we speak about the 26 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 1: KKK and we speak about Jim Crow, we never talk 27 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: about the domestic terrorist element of it. We never talk 28 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: about what it means to purposefully decide like Kyle Rittenhouse did, 29 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: to sling an AAR fifteen across his shoulder and intimidate 30 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: those that were going by peacefully. Wanting to add the 31 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: for you know, accountability for our police officers, that you 32 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: couldn't just murder someone in broad daylight and think that 33 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: you were going to get away with it. But alas 34 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: every single one of these cases show us one thing 35 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: and one thing only. The justice system was not built 36 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: for black and brown people. It was not built for 37 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: low income people. It was built for the Kyle Rittenhouses 38 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: of the world. It was built for the Dylan Roofs 39 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,519 Speaker 1: of the world. It was built for people who were 40 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: going to get a pat on the back from police 41 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: officers and offering of water a It's okay, son. From 42 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: the beginning of this trial and as of this recording, 43 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: we don't know the verdict yet as of this recording, 44 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: the jury is still deliberating. But one thing that we 45 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: know to be true is that the gun charge was 46 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 1: thrown out right, So you know that Kyle Rittenhouse and 47 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 1: this case has already allowed for the fact that if 48 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: you live in the state, if you don't live in 49 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: a state that has gun permits, that you can do 50 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: whatever the hell you want. That what that judge just 51 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: did was allowed now for all of the copycats to 52 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: decide that they too are going to arm themselves, drive 53 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: across state lines and do the work of law enforcement, 54 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 1: that they too get to play cop, they get to 55 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: murder people with impunity and possibly get off, more likely 56 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: get off. So that's number one. Number two, the judge 57 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: was clearly so incredibly hostile towards the prosecution from the jump, 58 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,839 Speaker 1: not even being able to refer to the people who 59 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: lost their lives into the one who did survive and 60 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: was able to testify who himself had a gun, but 61 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: then said that he's not that type of person, that 62 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: he wasn't going to use it, that there was another way. 63 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: And so even in that exchange right between the defense 64 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: attorneys and the third assailant, the third victim, excuse me, 65 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: the third victim whose life was not taken. You could 66 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: see America write a snapshot. You have those that are 67 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: gun carriers, that are gun owners who subscribe to the law, 68 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: who are not doing so because they are out trying 69 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 1: to play army or g I Joe, or who are 70 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: just a white supremacist on the hunt for their next victim. No, 71 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 1: there are in fact gun owners in this country who 72 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 1: want to abide by the rule of law but also 73 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: believe that they should have the ability to protect themselves. 74 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: They don't do so as a threat. You know, the 75 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: other day, I was home out east on Long Island 76 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: and visiting my family, and I'm noticing and this is 77 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: something that I never noticed before when I was growing up, 78 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: so I believe that it is new. I see all 79 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: of these pickup trucks like these, you know, four by 80 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:55,679 Speaker 1: four or I don't even know what you call those cars. 81 00:04:55,720 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 1: But anyway, the pickup trucks with kicker is on the 82 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: back of them with AR fifteen rifles that say come 83 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 1: and take it. Right. The sticker in and of itself 84 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: is a threat, right, It's to signify that the person 85 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: driving the vehicle is armed. And ready to use it 86 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: and you come and take it. There is this toxic 87 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:31,119 Speaker 1: masculinity that is intertwined with this rights, this battle over 88 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: gun rights in this country. You have those that are 89 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: on the radical right that believe that there should be 90 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: no background checks, no waiting period, no nothing. You can 91 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,359 Speaker 1: get an AR fifteen faster than any woman in this country, 92 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: and especially now we'll be able to get an abortion right. 93 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 1: You can take somebody's life right with an AR fifteen, 94 00:05:54,720 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 1: no background check, no nothing. And they think that one 95 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: of those things is murder right and the other is 96 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: following the constitution. The hypocrisy, it is not lost on me, 97 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: and it shouldn't be lost on any of us. But 98 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: when I look at Kyle Rittenhouse, when I looked at 99 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: his bullshit testimony on the stand, and again I say 100 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: I was not following this with great eyes. And the 101 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: reason is, and I tweeted it yesterday because I actually 102 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: care about my mental health. And this is the difference 103 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: between Danielle from a couple of years ago and Danielle now. 104 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: And this is why I offer to all of you, 105 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 1: all of the time to take a break so that 106 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: you don't have a breakdown. I remember following George Zimmerman's trial, 107 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: because at that point, and this is back when in 108 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, that I believed still right. This 109 00:06:55,920 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: is only six seven years ago, but I believed still 110 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: at that moment in time, in our justice system, even 111 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: given all of the past cases that I had seen, 112 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: I believe that there was no way, there was no 113 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: way that this grown man was going to murder a 114 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: child who was armed with nothing more than an Arizona 115 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: iced tea and a bag of skittles. That there was 116 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: no way that our justice system was going to put 117 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: the dead child on trial. And it was after that case, 118 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: and after the not guilty for George Zimmerman, that I 119 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: lost every single little strand of hope that I had 120 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: in this country. Because if you can justify the murdyr 121 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: not even by a police officer, but by a random white, 122 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: fucking vigilante on the street, if that can be just 123 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: a five, then there is no hope for the forgetting 124 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: rid of qualified immunity for police officers. There is no 125 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: hope in you you will have a once in a 126 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: millennium trial like Derek Chauvin right where it's just so 127 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: heinous that we must do something because millions of people 128 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: left their homes in the middle of a pandemic to 129 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: protest against what we all witnessed collectively a murder in 130 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 1: broad daylight at the hands of an unrelenting police officer. 131 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:39,559 Speaker 1: So something had to be done in that case. But 132 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: for the rest of them, right, I wonder sometimes what 133 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: would have happened if there had been video of George Zimmerman. 134 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: What if we weren't taking his word for it, just 135 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 1: the word of some random white guy who was a 136 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,599 Speaker 1: want to be cop, who was a want to be 137 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: neighborhood watch person and wanted to feel big, bad and strong, 138 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: because it's this small, fragile white ego, right that what 139 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: would have happened? And frankly, you know, I don't even 140 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: want to say that we got lucky with George Floyd, 141 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: and I say that with all dripping with sarcasm, trust 142 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: and understand that that it was because of Darnella Frasier. 143 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 1: It was because of all of the witnesses and bystanders, 144 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: including young children, that Derek Chauvin is in jail. But 145 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 1: it had it been left to the police report, had 146 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:41,719 Speaker 1: it been left to just hearsay without video evidence, where 147 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: do you think Derek Chauvin would be. He'd probably be 148 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: someplace with a promotion, because he had been consistently promoted 149 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: over the course of his time in the police department. 150 00:09:54,840 --> 00:10:00,559 Speaker 1: So here we have now fast forward, not even a 151 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: decade removed from the murder of treyvon Martin, not even 152 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,559 Speaker 1: you know, a little over a year plus a year 153 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: and a half since the murder of George Floyd. And 154 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: here we are. We got multiple cases. Right now. You 155 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: have the trial of those who murdered Ahmad Aubrey saying 156 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: that they were trying to make a citizen's arrest because 157 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 1: white people feel that if they don't like a black 158 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: person in their space, in their face, that they can 159 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: just kill them, that they can corner you, run us 160 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: down like fucking animals and do what they will. Because again, 161 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: without the public outrage and outcry, we would have taken 162 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 1: and by we, I mean America would have taken again 163 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: what the police officers wrote down. Even though those fucking 164 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: brothers were covered in blood, they were allowed to go 165 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: home that day because we believe whiteness above all else. 166 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: So no, I'm not spending my energy sitting in front 167 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:19,319 Speaker 1: of the television taking consistent notes watching how our injustice 168 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 1: system ruins the lives of so many black and brown men, 169 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: women and children, and uplifts the lives of white murderers, 170 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: known murderers. Cutlon Rittenhouse was out drinking beers in a bar. 171 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: He wasn't even romanded to prison, seen as a threat 172 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 1: to society over the last year. No, he was at home, 173 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: he was hanging out, he was kicking at It is 174 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: amazing to me. And I know that I say this often, 175 00:11:56,520 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 1: the grace and the patience and the loving highness that 176 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: the black community shows this country, because I got to 177 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 1: tell you there are days when I do not have 178 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 1: that strength to muster, and on those days, I stay 179 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: the fuck home, Because I got to tell you that 180 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 1: when I think just about the last four years, when 181 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:29,599 Speaker 1: I think about the fact that I believe America to 182 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:37,199 Speaker 1: be a just volcano that is simmering right, bubbling up 183 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 1: these different bubble points, just waiting to erupt, they have 184 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: the audacity to call out the National Guard with Kyle Writtenhouse. 185 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: You wouldn't need the National Guard if we actually believed 186 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 1: in our justice system, and we don't even question that, right, 187 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: Why do you need to call the police? Oh? Because 188 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: it's black people that are so fucking violent, or an 189 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: entire white supremist injustice system that we know that we 190 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 1: cannot trust, and yet you don't see us popping off 191 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: on a day to day basis against this oppressive system 192 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: that literally tries to murder us each and every day, 193 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: whether it's a cop pulling somebody over on a highway, 194 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 1: a white vigilante deciding to run somebody down, the dismissiveness, 195 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 1: or the constant calling of police by the Karens. Even 196 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: if you are asleep in your own bed, like Brianna Taylor, 197 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: even if you are in your own home, you can 198 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: be gunned down. So there is no safe space. And 199 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: I want people to think about that about if you 200 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: are not black or brown or from a marginalized community, 201 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 1: think about what it means to be in your home, 202 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: to be in your skin, and know that there is 203 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: no safe space for you to exist in that At 204 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 1: any moment, someone who doesn't like the way that you look, 205 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: doesn't like how loud your music is, doesn't like the 206 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: way that you speak, doesn't want your presence, can take 207 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: you out and there will be no justice to follow. 208 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: That's what it's like to be black and Brown in America. 209 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: It's amazing that we can find joy. And that's why 210 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: I say what supremacy is not going to take my 211 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: focus and attention away from me? All day every day, 212 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: I do my work, I do my research and my analysis. 213 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: But do you know where my focus and my center 214 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: is in my friends, in my family and my loved ones. 215 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: That's where I have moved to in these days. I 216 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: used to stay in the state aid of rage, and 217 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: what I realize is just how unhealthy and toxic it was, 218 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: because that's what they want. They want me fearful, they 219 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: want me small, they want me to believe that I 220 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: have no access and no rights. But even in the 221 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: midst of the most cruel and unjust system of slavery, 222 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: my ancestors were jumping brooms to commemorate their weddings. We're 223 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: creating loving families and bonds and rituals, even if by 224 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: day they're being lashed and beaten and raped. They refuse 225 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: to have the entirety of their humanity stripped from them. 226 00:15:54,160 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: That is what I call generational strength. So these cases 227 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: will continue to happen, and once this case is done, 228 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: there will be several more. For every single headline that 229 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: we all collectively know understand that there are hundreds that 230 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: we will never and so do your best to put 231 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: your focus and your energy where it is needed. And 232 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: again that does not mean not to tap in, but 233 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: it means to understand and know when to tap out. 234 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: Because I'm choosing in these days not to fight fire 235 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: with fire, because I refuse to burn out. But I'm 236 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: going to fight their hate and their fire and their 237 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: vituol with my unrelenting joy, and I hope that you 238 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: all choose to do the same. Coming up next is 239 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: my conversation with our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel, 240 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: where we will talk about what else but the failings 241 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: of the Democratic Party and whether or not we've lost 242 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: the midterm elections before they've even started. Folks, you know 243 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 1: that when it is a Wednesday, I'm always so happy 244 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: to be joined by our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel, 245 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: who runs us through the gamut of COVID and democratic 246 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: messaging and why, why why we may be headed off 247 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 1: of a cliff, you know, the one that I'm trying 248 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:35,360 Speaker 1: I constantly scream about on a regular basis, Jonathan. So Democrats, 249 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: we finally got an infrastructure bill passed I don't want 250 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: to breathe over that and think that it wasn't a 251 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: big deal. It was what seemed like months of negotiations 252 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: in order to get this bipartisan bill done. To me, 253 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,120 Speaker 1: to be honest, I could give a damn about whether 254 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: it was bipartisan or not. I wanted it to be progressive. 255 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: I wanted it to be as big as the New Deal. 256 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,640 Speaker 1: I wanted it to matter to the American people that 257 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: risk their lives in a pandemic to vote for Joe 258 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 1: Biden and Kamala Harris to get things done, to switch 259 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 1: over from the Trump nightmare into a better future. What 260 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: are your feelings about where we have landed right now 261 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: with this administration, given that both the president and the 262 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 1: vice president's numbers polling numbers not great. Democrats as a whole, 263 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: they're polling numbers not great, and as we get ready 264 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 1: to change the calendar year, we know that we are 265 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: revving up for midterm elections. Oh man, where am I 266 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: going to start here? I mean, we really have a 267 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: lot to talk about. I mean, so I'll just say 268 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 1: a couple things. First of all, I'm doing a focus 269 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:47,679 Speaker 1: group project across the South right now, interviewing people about 270 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: the stimulus. Right, So this is not the infrastructure. And 271 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 1: as you know, I have strong opinions that they should 272 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: have passed the damn infrastructure three months ago, but the stimulus. 273 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 1: And the thing is, I've interviewed tons of people who 274 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: are conservative who are here and I'm doing most of 275 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: the interviews in Kentucky and Tennessee. And the kind of 276 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: standard interview is either I got money from the stimulus, 277 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: but that's what tanked the economy and so I'm against 278 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: the whole thing. Or I lost my job for four months. 279 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:24,640 Speaker 1: The stimulus got me through, but people are getting addicted 280 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: to federal money and I'm against the stimulus. In other words, 281 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: I've done like hundreds of interviews now where people are. 282 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: They actually hate the Democrats for the free money that 283 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: they gave them. And so I think that's important for 284 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 1: two reasons. Number one is, don't tell me that passing 285 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: an infrastructure bill now without messaging is going to make 286 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: any difference. It's not going to make any difference, I'm unfortunately. 287 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: And so when I see that the Democrats are going 288 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: to run on the infrastructure bill, I'm like, no, don't 289 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 1: do that without without without shaping the narrative, just because 290 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 1: just telling people you're giving them in this economy at 291 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: this moment is not a winning argument for a lot 292 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 1: of people. And number two is I realized there's a 293 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: lot of underlying ideologies. You know, it was pretty racist. 294 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 1: A lot of the stuff like people would say, oh, 295 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,880 Speaker 1: you know, I'm getting back on my feet, but those 296 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 1: other people who are having twelve kids, they're getting addicted 297 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: to federal money. The language of addiction goes back to 298 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 1: like the welfare queen blah blah blah, that kind of thing. 299 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 1: But leaving that aside, which of course you can't, the 300 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,919 Speaker 1: point is also the Democrats gave nobody an alternative narrative. 301 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,120 Speaker 1: They didn't frame the narrative. They were just like, here's money, 302 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: because it's good, and don't you want money? So the 303 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: Republicans are great at like no matter what it is, 304 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 1: and usually it's like here's a bowl of like shit stew, 305 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: but right, But what they're doing is they're saying, here's 306 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 1: the narrative, you can understand it. Democrats are like, well, 307 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: of course, of course you want healthcare because we're all 308 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: human and you're going to figure that on your own. 309 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: So the issue is what I saw even with free 310 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: money from the government when people needed it, without shaping 311 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: the narrative of what that meant. It actually it didn't. 312 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: It didn't make a difference. It opened up for all 313 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 1: the other crap. And I feel like we're doing the 314 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: same thing with the infrastructure, which is yes, it gave 315 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: people something to run on. Now. Of course, as you know, 316 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: I think we should have passed the damn thing three 317 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 1: months ago so we could have shaped the narrative. But 318 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,479 Speaker 1: now we passed it at a time where we're behind 319 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 1: the eight ball, and so I have strong opinions about 320 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: how we could be messaging in swing states, and let 321 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: me just say, it's not. It's not what we're doing now. 322 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: So I'm I mean, of course you're it's good to 323 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 1: be nervous. I'm glad like you and I have a 324 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 1: lot of company in the nervous category right now. But 325 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: people should be nervous because even at this moment where 326 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 1: we're doing something good, we're not shaping the narrative. And 327 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: I think that's that's a major mistake. Again, let me 328 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: ask you this so in these conversations, because I'm blown away, 329 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: first of all, that even when you give people shit 330 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: for free, that that the people that you are talking 331 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: to are aggravated by getting their money right, because this 332 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 1: is what it is when you got the bid stimulus, 333 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 1: that is your return tax dollars that you work for 334 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: getting it back, as opposed to it going to provide 335 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 1: tax breaks to the rich. So I'm confused about how 336 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: many people were in economic downturns. Right. We saw lines 337 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:20,640 Speaker 1: of people wrapped around food pantries for miles and miles 338 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 1: at a time. We saw millions of people lose their jobs. 339 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: So just clarify for me, you know, how is it 340 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: that these people I mean, like what I'm hearing, Jonathan, 341 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,239 Speaker 1: I guess with the folks that you interview, you know, 342 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: across the rust belt around the country, in southern places, 343 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: is that they really just genuinely are willing to die 344 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 1: of whiteness, like it doesn't matter. Like is there anything 345 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 1: that you are hearing that would lend you to believe 346 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 1: that there is a narrative that Democrats can offer that 347 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: isn't just going to have these people cut off their 348 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: nose despite their face. Because if I'm saying to you, 349 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: you need help, and here is the federal government to 350 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: help you, but you are more concerned with being a 351 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: racist and making sure that no one else provides help. 352 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: There's no narrative I'm offering you other than oh, the 353 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: only the only people getting the economic stimulus are white people, 354 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 1: because you guys are deserving and no one else is 355 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: going to get anything. And then they would come running 356 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 1: out and probably throw a parade for Biden. I mean, 357 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 1: our goal is to win elections, and to win elections, 358 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: you've got to convince the people in the middle and 359 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: solidify your base right and so are if we just thought, oh, 360 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: everybody's fixed in their racist ways, which they are, we 361 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: you know we were not going to So our goal 362 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 1: is to win elections, and so how do we address 363 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 1: our core base right and particularly right now, particularly voters 364 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 1: of color. You know, Democrats are at risk of selling 365 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: them out, to be honest, So how do you do that? 366 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 1: But also, and there are a lot it's not just 367 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: it's not just one race of people. There are a 368 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: lot of people who are in the middle, who are 369 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: worried about inflation, who are worried about the economy, all 370 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 1: this kind of stuff. So how do you solidify that? Well, 371 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: Number one, you have one coherent party narrative. You don't 372 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 1: have seventy the way the Democrats do, right now, that's 373 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: number one. But number two is you kind of anticipate, 374 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,959 Speaker 1: You kind of anticipate some of this stuff with themes 375 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 1: I mean I'm seeing this with I mean, we're going 376 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: to lose abortion now. It seems like a gun deal. 377 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: But if you ask people, does a woman have a 378 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: right to an abortion or if you ask people to 379 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,679 Speaker 1: do a woman and her doctor have the right to 380 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: make a decision within the privacy of the doctor's exam 381 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 1: room that works best for the women the second question, 382 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: eighty percent of the people will agree with the second question, 383 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: even if thirty percent of people will agree with the 384 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: first question. Right. In other words, the way you frame 385 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: this stuff really shapes that you have to understand. Oh yeah, 386 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: half the country they care about autonomy and liberty and 387 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 1: personal decision and so how you frame it matters. And 388 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,199 Speaker 1: it's the same with free money, Believe it or not. 389 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,959 Speaker 1: Free money has a really complicated history, as does free healthcare. 390 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: Well that's what I found in my research because it 391 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,880 Speaker 1: ties into government networks and r all these kind of things. 392 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: But the problem is, if you know that about your audience, 393 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: you should actually work it to your advantage, right, so 394 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 1: they'll vote for you and support you. That's the goal, 395 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:23,919 Speaker 1: so you can do more shit you want to do. 396 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: And so part of the issue is I just saw 397 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: with the Affordable Care Act, if we said, oh, we're 398 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 1: building a big community network because health is a human 399 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: right and all that, well, that shit works in New York. 400 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: It doesn't work here in the South. It really doesn't. 401 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 1: If you say health is a human right, somebody's going 402 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: to tell you to stick your human right up your petuity. 403 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 1: I mean, that's just how it works on here because 404 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: everybody's like, it's my choice with my doctor, and so 405 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: what they should have said what the Affordable Care Act is, 406 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: it's your choice with your doctor, medical rights like some 407 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,360 Speaker 1: crap like that, and we don't do that. And so 408 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just saying, like, you have to market 409 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 1: it toward your audience, right, if marketed towards your audience. 410 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,719 Speaker 1: And it's the same thing with this infrastructure. It's like, 411 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 1: if exactly what you said, it's your money, let's put 412 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: it to work in your neighborhood in a way that 413 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: works for you. That's a brilliant message that would work 414 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 1: down here if you said infrastructure is a human right. 415 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,439 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's great. I agree with that. I mean, 416 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: I study structural racism, but I would also say you're 417 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 1: not going to win an election that way. So again, 418 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: I feel like the Democrats are missing the message potentially, 419 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: I mean, not everybody. I'm being pretty broad here, except 420 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: to say, like, let's learn from the failure of the 421 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: Affordable Care Act and let's start telling the narrative in 422 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 1: a way that puts the other side on the defensive, 423 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 1: which is not what we're doing and not what we've 424 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 1: been doing. You know, one of the things last week 425 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:52,719 Speaker 1: I had a conversation with washahat Ali Daily Beasts calumnists 426 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 1: and calumnists with the New York Times, and you know, 427 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,719 Speaker 1: he brought up your book, and you know, I'm one 428 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: of the things that he was saying. It's just like, 429 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,439 Speaker 1: you know, in terms of his idea for messaging, and 430 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: I want to ask you. He's like, here's the thing, 431 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: We're never getting white people back in the Democratic Party. 432 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: And the reality is is that we need to stop 433 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: chasing the Karens, and we need to stop chasing all 434 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 1: of these people. When ninety percent of white men vote Republican, 435 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: what we know to be true. Is that close to 436 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 1: sixty percent of white women vote Republican and have since 437 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,199 Speaker 1: in nineteen fifties. Right, And so right now, when you 438 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,920 Speaker 1: look at the when you look at the Democratic Party, 439 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: he said that you're looking at it roughly about forty 440 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:44,120 Speaker 1: five percent of white people, right, and everybody else is bipoc. Right. 441 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:48,679 Speaker 1: And so I'm confused about why we keep going after 442 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 1: these people and trying to convince them of the messaging 443 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: and trying to contort ourselves into you know, dog whistle 444 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: messaging that they will then get on board with because 445 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: they're rapidly racist, instead of figuring out how we then 446 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 1: continue to expand the party that is already expanding, Like 447 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: we continue to message to the wrong people and deliver 448 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 1: things for the wrong people time and time again. White 449 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: people are not the base of the Democratic Party. It 450 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,239 Speaker 1: is everyone else. And so I just don't for me, 451 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 1: And as I was listening to watch and he's like 452 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: going through the numbers, and it's just like, when are 453 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 1: we going to wake up to this fact? And I 454 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 1: know these are the people that you talk to, and 455 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: you're telling me, you know, there is a way to 456 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 1: win them over, And I'm saying, I don't want to 457 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 1: waste the energy, and as sure as hell, don't want 458 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: the party to waste the energy. When in fact, if 459 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: we had come out of the gate with voting rights, 460 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: if we had come out of the gate with police reform, 461 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: if we had come out of the gate with all 462 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: of the things that the BIPOC Democratic Party wanted and 463 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,959 Speaker 1: voted for, then we would be better positioned than we 464 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: are right now. But once again, we are chasing forty 465 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: five percent. Forty five percent is the number that we're 466 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: chasing around this country as opposed to the majority. Well, 467 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: I love Wi. I mean, he's the dude, and we're friends, 468 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: and and I think there's a lot of truth to that. 469 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: But I'm going to push back on his point a 470 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: little bit if you don't mind. Which is a couple 471 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: of things. I mean, number one is it's not like 472 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: white people are some monolithic block right and and and 473 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: it's not like it's like crazy ass right wingers on 474 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 1: one side and people kneeling with Kentae cloth on the other, 475 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: like it's that's you know, that's actually not the reality. 476 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: And so unfortunately, we like we just saw in an 477 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: election two weeks ago, we lost a lot of white 478 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: people who voted for Democrats a year ago. Right, And 479 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: so I think the minute we start seeing this in 480 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 1: a zero sum game of either we're voting were four 481 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: BIPOC voters or for way, the minute we do that, 482 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: we've lost, right, because then we're rearticulating the winner take 483 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: all winner versus lou rus or tribalism that unfortunately works 484 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: just much better for the Republicans. I mean, if it 485 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 1: was a winning strategy, sign me up. You know where's 486 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 1: my can't take cloth, I'll join, you know whatever, Like 487 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: I don't care, But my point is it doesn't work, right, 488 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: I mean, we just saw in Virginia why it doesn't work, 489 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: which is the way the electoral system is. And you 490 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,719 Speaker 1: can certainly give national numbers that are true, and so 491 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 1: the numbers you gave certainly are true for national numbers, 492 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 1: but the US electoral system unless we want to change 493 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: the whole system, which needs obviously I know what I'm saying, 494 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: Like you know, in our lifetime. Unfortunately, the system we're 495 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: working and even to get the power to change the system, 496 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: the system we're working in is you know, I wrote 497 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 1: that piece The Politics of White Anxiety, before the election, 498 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 1: which laid this all out that in a way, the 499 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: structure of our system is that it overweighs particular states, 500 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: particular demographics, and certainly generate jeremandering is making that point, 501 00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: and so I mean, I think the minute you say 502 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 1: to hell with all the white people or something you know, 503 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: which I understand is not what he's saying, you're going 504 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,959 Speaker 1: to see a result like in Virginia, where it actually 505 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 1: makes it harder to make change, not easier. Now, the 506 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 1: point I'm making is not that we should kiss white 507 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 1: people's testes. I'm not saying that. What I am saying, 508 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: but I am saying is that the minute it's either 509 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: or we've lost. Right. So you can have police reform 510 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: and criminal justice reform and voting reform, all those kind 511 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 1: of things, and you can also do the things I'm 512 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: talking about, which is articulate to voters who are in 513 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: the middle, who have all the power and the electoral system. 514 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: You can articulate to them in a much better way 515 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 1: than we've done, a zillion times better way, why they should, 516 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 1: why progressive policies might work for them, why we might 517 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 1: bring them along in a particular way. And so we're 518 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 1: not doing that at all, right, we're not doing that. 519 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: So it's not like, because we are doing police reform 520 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: or we're doing voting reform, we have to give up 521 00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: on messaging to centrist white voters. We should be messaging 522 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: more to centrist white voters. The last thing I'll say 523 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: so let me let me push back, right, which is one, 524 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: I do not believe that Democrats lost in Virginia because 525 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: of their messaging. Like one, I do think that infrastructure 526 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: and the passage of infrastructure would have been something to 527 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: run on. But let let us all be clear that 528 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: Terry mcculloff ran a bullshit campaign, right. His campaign had 529 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: no messaging. He was like, oh, I was the guy 530 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: in twenty thirteen, so vote for me again. I'm not 531 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: Trump Like that was his that was his message. Terry 532 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 1: mcculloff didn't even run on his own accomplishments from twenty thirteen. 533 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 1: So I don't want us to confuse like his inability 534 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: to campaign in this current moment and actually galvanize the 535 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: Biden you know, allegiance that was created in twenty twenty 536 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: and say like, oh, it failed in twenty twenty one 537 00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: because he didn't reach out to white folks. Because I'm 538 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 1: like he didn't reach out to anyone, and that and that, 539 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: and that was entirely the fuck up of his of 540 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: that campaign. But the but on the other hand, my 541 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 1: feeling is this, when you go back and you said, 542 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 1: you know, we're not a zero sum and when we 543 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: start doing this either or right, we lose. But I 544 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 1: will say this, Jonathan, that as a black queer woman 545 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: in America, the only way that our government has ever 546 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: operated is in a zero sum. And the people that 547 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 1: are always at the losing end of it and will 548 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: continue to be are people of color, namely black people. 549 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 1: It's always like, oh, well, we gave you a holiday 550 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: that actually doesn't mean anything, right Juneteenth, because we can't 551 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 1: teach it, we can't talk about it, and we can't 552 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: you know, we have no context around it. But here's 553 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 1: this little thing. We know that you want rights, right, 554 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: but look, we're not racist. Here's a holiday. It's like, oh, 555 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: we we know that you need, you know, job security 556 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 1: and economic stability right to close the racial wealth gap, 557 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: but we put up a BLM flag. So is it 558 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: isn't that enough? Black folks and people of color are 559 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: always are always part of the zero sum, and we're 560 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 1: always the group that loses in the in the choice 561 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 1: that the Democratic and Republican Party make in order to 562 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:20,919 Speaker 1: turn themselves in contortion into contortionists to appease racist white folks. Well, 563 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,439 Speaker 1: I mean, no doubt every word you've just said it's true. 564 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,359 Speaker 1: I'll start with the beginning. I mean, Captain Crunch would 565 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 1: have run a better campaign than Yeah, I mean, and 566 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 1: especially with free crunch berries for people and stuff like 567 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 1: that boy in the box. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think 568 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: that was I think you're dating yourself there. But but 569 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 1: but no, so one hundred percent that's true. One hundred 570 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,240 Speaker 1: percent that's true. It was not inspiring. But the point 571 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 1: is the Democrats also lost ground in every election on 572 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: that same day. They lost ground in New Jersey, they 573 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 1: lost ground in upstate New York, they lost ground in 574 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 1: like a million other places. U And again there's a 575 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 1: there's a wave all this kind of thing. But I mean, 576 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,799 Speaker 1: part of the issue is if the goal is winning elections, right, 577 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 1: then you have to also be able to frame your 578 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 1: frame your positions in a way that the Democrats have 579 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,799 Speaker 1: done in a much better way. Now, as as we've 580 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,879 Speaker 1: talked about here, I mean, there was the infrastructure bill, 581 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 1: and then there's the social safety net issue, right, And 582 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 1: so I thought from the beginning they should have passed 583 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,799 Speaker 1: the infrastructure bill, even though it would have they would 584 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: have lost leverage, that's I agree with that, but at 585 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: least it would have given them something that would have 586 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 1: been a wedge issue to peel people away, to say 587 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 1: we're giving you infrastructure, what's your what's your person doing? 588 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 1: And I also think infrastructure is I mean again, I 589 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 1: study structural racism. Infrastructure is incredibly relevant for writing historical 590 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: inequities like um, you know, and it's putting highways through 591 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: people's neighborhoods is like the least that's the beginning, redlining, 592 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 1: school boards, taxation, everything you name it. So I think 593 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 1: they could have run a campaign, not not McCaul iugh, 594 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 1: but Captain Crunch or anybody else could have run a 595 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 1: campaign using infrastructure in a way that would have up 596 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 1: the pressure to then bring back people to the table 597 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 1: with pressure that wasn't like the lever pressure. But considering 598 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: they ended up passing the infrastructure built anyway without the 599 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,399 Speaker 1: social net, they should have done it three months ago. 600 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 1: And so I think, I think, really that was a massive, 601 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 1: massive miss, and I think we have to we have 602 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 1: to take some ownership of that. I mean, I think, 603 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,400 Speaker 1: you know, I think we take some ownership of that, 604 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 1: and because I think it was a miscalculation if you 605 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,280 Speaker 1: just judge it by the end result. Now, of course 606 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,759 Speaker 1: exactly what you're saying is true, but I think, you know, 607 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 1: really the question is is I mean, let's look, let's 608 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 1: be honest, is the change within the political system or 609 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 1: in opposition to the political system, right? I think that's 610 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,759 Speaker 1: really what's at play for a lot of people on 611 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,400 Speaker 1: all sides of this right now. If we're going to 612 00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 1: if we're going to do it the way of like 613 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 1: win election and get power and make changes, which the 614 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 1: infrastructure built does, then we should think about how can 615 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 1: we win elections, which is solidify your base, don't sell 616 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,920 Speaker 1: out your base like they're doing yep. But also don't 617 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,400 Speaker 1: drop a bomb on people the way they feel like, 618 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:17,959 Speaker 1: you know, don't don't you know what I mean? We've 619 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:22,960 Speaker 1: made Democrats more vulnerable to this inflation message by waiting 620 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,880 Speaker 1: and dilly dillying and all that kind of stuff. So 621 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 1: it's it can't be. My point is it can't be 622 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 1: either or if the goal is to win elections, you 623 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,239 Speaker 1: can't be losing New Jersey and upstate New York. I mean, 624 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 1: you know, you can't. We can't be losing ten points 625 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,840 Speaker 1: on that. So mccaulough aside, I just think the warning 626 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,320 Speaker 1: signs are flashing red that we've got to do something differently. 627 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:46,880 Speaker 1: And as I always argue, it's not like the outcome 628 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 1: is different, right, It's not like the outcome is different. 629 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 1: But I don't think again, I just think if we're 630 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,240 Speaker 1: saying to hell with you, we're just going to the danger. 631 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:59,200 Speaker 1: Just let me say this. I don't I'm not saying well. 632 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,440 Speaker 1: I mean, well, I say to hell with you, right, 633 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 1: But in general, I'm not saying to hell with you. 634 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 1: I'm just saying I'm no longer pandering to you, right, 635 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 1: And that, to me is the difference. I'm not saying oh, 636 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,839 Speaker 1: because frankly, if I am, if I am a white person, right, 637 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 1: who isn't a rapid racist? I too care about voting rights, 638 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,719 Speaker 1: I too care about police having accountability, I too care 639 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,839 Speaker 1: about you know, quality education and climate change and all 640 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,279 Speaker 1: of these like I care about these things. Right, If 641 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 1: I'm not a Trumper, if I'm not seventy five eighty 642 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,320 Speaker 1: million Americans in the United States that wanted to vote 643 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,960 Speaker 1: for him to have a second term. Like then I 644 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,319 Speaker 1: care about the same things that the foundation of the 645 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,120 Speaker 1: Democratic Party cares about. And all I'm saying is, so, 646 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 1: then let's get those things done that we know that 647 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 1: the majority voted for, as opposed to going after and 648 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:57,160 Speaker 1: appeasing the few at the expense of the many, right, right, 649 00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,640 Speaker 1: I mean there's no monolithic block now, right, I mean 650 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 1: it's like there, you know, there's always like all white 651 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:06,000 Speaker 1: people are not they're not all voting as white people. 652 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,640 Speaker 1: And you know, now we have herschel Walker. But I 653 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 1: mean part of the issue is when when Trump for 654 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,320 Speaker 1: four years of the Trump administration, they were building a base, 655 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 1: reaching out in very clan to sign ways to black 656 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:24,279 Speaker 1: men and conservative Latin X voters and stuff like that, 657 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,240 Speaker 1: Like they were basically saying, what the hell the Democrats 658 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,400 Speaker 1: drink for you? And I feel like there's a playbook 659 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,839 Speaker 1: there that the republic that the Democrats should be doing, 660 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:37,160 Speaker 1: which is we never put we never put Democrats, and 661 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:41,400 Speaker 1: we never put Republicans on the defensive with their with 662 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,360 Speaker 1: their own base in a way. And so again, I 663 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,480 Speaker 1: just think we're doing the right thing in now. But 664 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,799 Speaker 1: I just think we're not being strategic, strategic enough about it. 665 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,759 Speaker 1: And again the goal, the goal should be to win elections. 666 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:57,240 Speaker 1: And so again I completely agree with what you're saying. 667 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,120 Speaker 1: I'm just saying that. I mean, the danger really is 668 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,040 Speaker 1: is that we're building the Democratic Party as a resistance 669 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,640 Speaker 1: party in opposition to the Republican Party, which is being 670 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,799 Speaker 1: built as like a get a whole power at all 671 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,640 Speaker 1: cross party. It's a it's a model for how to 672 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,319 Speaker 1: get and hold power at all costs. And so to 673 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:20,480 Speaker 1: fight that, you've got to you've got to have power strategies, 674 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 1: not just resistant strategies. Last question for you, if you 675 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 1: are reading the tea leaves, we are, you know, about 676 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,360 Speaker 1: a year away from you know, a little a little 677 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,960 Speaker 1: less than that, but about a year away from midterm elections. 678 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:36,960 Speaker 1: You're reading the tea leaves, how do we end up? 679 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,799 Speaker 1: I mean, the mccaulliff election, it's it's not enough just 680 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,440 Speaker 1: to say he was a crap candidate. He was a 681 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:49,200 Speaker 1: bad candidate, for sure, but but it's more like we 682 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,279 Speaker 1: need to focus, we need to get disciplined. I mean, 683 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,520 Speaker 1: the reason Biden won in the first place is because 684 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,040 Speaker 1: we brought a lot of people under the tent, right, 685 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,920 Speaker 1: We won that election because we actually did have a 686 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:03,200 Speaker 1: coalition Centrists and progressives. And then I think both groups 687 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:08,200 Speaker 1: after the election misread the mandate right that no side 688 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,879 Speaker 1: would have won without the other side. And the only 689 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,520 Speaker 1: reason we won that election is because people came together 690 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,560 Speaker 1: and figured out a way. And if we don't do that, 691 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,719 Speaker 1: if we if we have this inner party war, which 692 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,319 Speaker 1: again is misreading how we won the presidential election, then 693 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,120 Speaker 1: I think we're in big trouble. If we can turn 694 00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,600 Speaker 1: that around, figured this out somehow. I mean again, like 695 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,880 Speaker 1: all the people who voted for Biden, it wasn't it 696 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,600 Speaker 1: wasn't any no one group was going to put Biden 697 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,680 Speaker 1: over the top by himself. Many people were out there, certainly, 698 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,319 Speaker 1: I mean, I completely agree with you, but I'm saying 699 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,320 Speaker 1: that the message of the Biden election was also people 700 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,719 Speaker 1: did form a coalition which all of a sudden was 701 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,960 Speaker 1: incredibly damn formidable, Like a lot of people voted for it. 702 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,720 Speaker 1: And so if we recapture that somehow, if we figure 703 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,719 Speaker 1: that out, I think I think it. I think we're unbeatable. 704 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,560 Speaker 1: But if we keep doing what we're doing now, um, 705 00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 1: then I think we're in trouble. Yeah, I agree, and that. 706 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:05,520 Speaker 1: You know, the last thing that I will say on 707 00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,560 Speaker 1: this is that I do believe that one group put 708 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:11,080 Speaker 1: Biden over because had he not won the South Carolina primary, 709 00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 1: had Jim Clyburn not come out and galvanized black people 710 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,799 Speaker 1: in South Carolina, we I don't even know if we 711 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,760 Speaker 1: would be having this discussion outside of a prison somewhere. 712 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,560 Speaker 1: We're all heading there, We're heading there. Again. It's it's 713 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,239 Speaker 1: it's delicate to say because it's not It's not like 714 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,319 Speaker 1: what I'm saying is in any way disrespectful to the 715 00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,160 Speaker 1: amazing efforts. But there's no doubt about that. But I'm 716 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,400 Speaker 1: saying that, you know, the ten percentage point of people 717 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,319 Speaker 1: in swing states who now vote Republican, you know what 718 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,799 Speaker 1: I mean. Like, it's it's a million different things. And certainly, um, 719 00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,000 Speaker 1: there's no doubt that if the South Carolina changed the 720 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,759 Speaker 1: course of history. There's no doubt that people standing in 721 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:56,400 Speaker 1: line into great perils of themselves in Pennsylvania changed the 722 00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,359 Speaker 1: course of history. There's no doubt that all these things. 723 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,880 Speaker 1: I mean, for sure, that's true. For sure, people of 724 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,319 Speaker 1: color saved the United States, There's no doubt about that. 725 00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,680 Speaker 1: But I would also say that part of the story 726 00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:13,720 Speaker 1: was also that it was ultimately like how many people 727 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:20,359 Speaker 1: seventy eighty million whatever voted, and so ultimately also that 728 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:24,239 Speaker 1: was also the story of people saving each other and 729 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,839 Speaker 1: we and we had a narrative that brought people under 730 00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:28,960 Speaker 1: this in a way that brought people together. And right 731 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,279 Speaker 1: now we don't have that. We're very tribalized. And I 732 00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,560 Speaker 1: guess the point I'm trying to make is the minute 733 00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,160 Speaker 1: we're tribalized, that works together side, it doesn't work for us. 734 00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,480 Speaker 1: That's why I'm so against all this year or some stuff, 735 00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,160 Speaker 1: because that's what they're trying to do to us. And 736 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,759 Speaker 1: if we don't see that that's the game, and we 737 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:49,040 Speaker 1: don't actually respond by taking care of everybody and as 738 00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,160 Speaker 1: best we can figuring out a way to build a coalition, 739 00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,480 Speaker 1: then unfortunately I think we're that you know, we're going 740 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,279 Speaker 1: to again. We're going to be a resistance party, not 741 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:03,560 Speaker 1: a power party. As always, doctor Jonathan Metzol, we appreciate 742 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:07,640 Speaker 1: your insight, your analysis, and your passion. Thank you so 743 00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,240 Speaker 1: much for making time as always to join Woke. App 744 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:20,360 Speaker 1: take care back to COVID next week. Everybody, that is 745 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:24,040 Speaker 1: it for me today, Folks on Woke app as always 746 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:27,000 Speaker 1: Power to the people and to all the people. Power, 747 00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,520 Speaker 1: Get woke and stay woke as fuck.