1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to stuff. 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:18,799 Speaker 2: I never told you a production of iHeart Radio, and 3 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 2: today I am particular am very excited because I'm living 4 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 2: out a dream that I've been trying to make happen 5 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 2: for a while. We are joined by Emma Grace, science 6 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:34,319 Speaker 2: communicator and entomologists. Thank you so much for joining us. 7 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 3: Emma, thank you for letting me be here. Hey. 8 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll always talk about how I fangrow over certain people, 9 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 1: and Annie's pretty much fangrowing just over your job and 10 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: everything else. So we are very excited to finally have 11 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: you on because we've been searching for you for a 12 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: little while now. 13 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 3: And here I am. I'm here and. 14 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: To the magic of podcasting slash our producer Christy. 15 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 2: Yes, because it's kind of become a running joke and 16 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 2: listeners of the show know it since we did our 17 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 2: like one of our first episodes of this year twenty 18 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 2: twenty four, we were doing like what is going to 19 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 2: happen this year? And I brought up cicadas, And now 20 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 2: it's become like every meeting we're in somehow my cicadas. 21 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 2: And our wonderful producer Christina was she was very adamant 22 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 2: I we can find an entomologist to come on and 23 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 2: talk about this, and here you are. 24 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 4: Well, I'm so excited to be here. This is a 25 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 4: huge year for cicadas. This really is their year. So 26 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 4: I'm happy that more people than just me are like 27 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 4: excited about it and talking about it. 28 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, Yes, I am so much. 29 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 2: And I think this is going to be fun because 30 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 2: Samantha's a bit more reticent with me. 31 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:01,279 Speaker 1: This is what I told Emma Grace from the beginning. 32 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:04,559 Speaker 1: I was like, look, I am, unfortunately the stereotypical girl 33 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: who was like, yeah, I'm fine with bugs on the 34 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: outside and leave them be, but if they're in my house, 35 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: they're in my domain and they can't be there, like 36 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: you can't exist here. Just also, I have a whole 37 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: thing with the fact that I immediately get eaten up 38 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: by any like of those blood sucking insects, whichever, whatever 39 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: it may be, whatever it may be. So and Annie 40 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: knows this because we were with on a trip and I 41 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: was outside getting eaten alive, and Annie was just like, 42 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: do do Everything is peaceful and kind. I'm like, I 43 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: look like I have leprosy, ma'am. But this is one 44 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: sense that I'm like Peace maybe made me their sworn enemy. 45 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: So for me, bugs are not the most flood But 46 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: because of Annie, my world has been turned upside down 47 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: with cicada talk. When I'm talking about tiktoks and the 48 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: amount of cicada information that I'm getting, like I don't 49 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: want it, but it's there. I am fascinated. So I 50 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: know this is going to be a whole learning curve 51 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 1: from me. 52 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 3: Well, I'm excited. 53 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 4: I'm I'm excited to share what I have about cicada's bugs, 54 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 4: really anything that we want to get into. But it 55 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 4: really is like a huge talking point right now. I 56 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 4: feel like I'm seeing it everywhere on TikTok news. Media 57 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 4: are covering it. They're calling it like cicada apocalypse. They're 58 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 4: calling it. You know, I've seen cicata get in, which 59 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 4: I thought was kind of funny. Oh yeah, it's everywhere. 60 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 4: So please, I'm excited to be here. Thanks for letting 61 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 4: you get to talk about bugs. This is what I 62 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 4: love to do. 63 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 5: Oh thank you. 64 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 2: And we are going to talk about cicadas, but first 65 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 2: we've got a little bit ahead of ourselves. 66 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 5: Can you please introduce yourself to our listeners? 67 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 3: Absolutely. 68 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,839 Speaker 4: My name is Emma Grace. I'm an entomologist and science communicator. 69 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 4: I got all my formal training from the University of Georgia. 70 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 4: Go Dogs, So I went to school to study bugs. 71 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, represent right here. 72 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, social work completely different, but. 73 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, there. 74 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 3: A bug's the mascot. 75 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 6: So you're still here, you're with us, Yeah, that's true, 76 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 6: that's true. But I went to school to study bugs, 77 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 6: and then since then, I've gotten to explore entomology in 78 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 6: a couple different ways, which has been exciting for me. 79 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 6: I think a lot of people go into research when 80 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 6: they do entomology, but I've always been fascinated with outreach education, 81 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 6: science communication. So I've traveled around. I've kind of stayed 82 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 6: in Georgia as I've been exploring where I want to 83 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 6: be and what i want to do. I've traveled around 84 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 6: to a couple different places, and in all the roles 85 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 6: I've taken on since graduating, I've gotten to connect with communities. 86 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 6: I've gotten to connect with industry professionals and also students 87 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 6: to try and get people just excited to learn about 88 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 6: bugs or just consider bugs maybe in a different way 89 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 6: than they did before. 90 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 5: Yes, I love it. 91 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:52,359 Speaker 2: I love it so much, and so obviously on this 92 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:58,840 Speaker 2: podcast we talk a lot about women in various industries 93 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 2: and fields, and so I wanted to move into that 94 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 2: now because we recently I have been very desperate to 95 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 2: talk about bugs and cicadas for a while, and we 96 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 2: recently did an episode kind of looking into that. So 97 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 2: I would love to get your perspective on that. But first, like, 98 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 2: it sounds like you got into this line of work 99 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 2: just because you were interested, But can you tell us 100 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 2: was there any like particular reason what propelled you to 101 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 2: get into this line of work. 102 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 4: Absolutely so in talking to all the other insects scientists 103 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 4: an entomologists that I know, what I have found is 104 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 4: that people become an entomologist in one of two ways. 105 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 4: Either they were super into bugs as a kid and 106 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 4: they were playing in the dirt and they were collecting 107 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 4: bugs and that was all they were about and they 108 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 4: knew from like an early age that's what they wanted 109 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 4: to do. Or they accidentally fell into it. And that 110 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 4: was the case for me. I didn't even know you 111 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 4: could be an entomologist growing up. I always loved the outdoors, 112 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:58,919 Speaker 4: I loved science, and I knew I wanted to be 113 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 4: a scientist, but I had no idea what I wanted 114 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 4: to do. And for some perspective, my grandparents and my 115 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 4: parents have always been super influential in like my interests 116 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 4: and what I'm into. One set of grandparents they live 117 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 4: on a farm, so they're outside all the time, They're 118 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 4: with animals all the time. We always got to like 119 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 4: be with animals as kids. And then the other set 120 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 4: of grandparents worked for the CDC and so they would 121 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 4: travel around the world and do health promotion. So when 122 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 4: I got to college, I was like, well, I guess 123 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 4: I want to mix maybe those two things. I'd love 124 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 4: to do something with, like infectious diseases and animals. And 125 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 4: I found out we had an entomology course, and in 126 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 4: my head that made sense. I was like, Oh, I 127 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 4: could learn about the animal that spreads diseases, And then 128 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 4: something clicked. I sat in that class every day and 129 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 4: was just fascinated by everything I learned, and I was 130 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 4: wondering why more people weren't doing this as either research 131 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 4: or as a job or just for fun. And then 132 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 4: from there I just became even more excited about bugs. 133 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 4: I don't think there's been a day really since like 134 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 4: my first year of college that I haven't stopped thinking 135 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 4: about bugs or being excited to talk about insects and 136 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 4: arthropl So my journey's a little different than others. I 137 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 4: think you'll find every entomologist is. But that's how I 138 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 4: got into this field. 139 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: It makes perfect sense of like it's like a perfect 140 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: melding of both of your like ancestral upbringing, your grandparents 141 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: being in both of these areas, which is fascinating because yeah, 142 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: I would have never thought of this as a field. 143 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: As in fact, I will say it. I will talk 144 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: about my ignorance of like I originally was like insect scientists, 145 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: what is that? And like it took me entomologists. That's 146 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: the thing. Yeah, is a thing. Yeah, that's a thing. 147 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: Like having an argument in my head, I'm like, did 148 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: I make up with this word? Or is it just 149 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: insects scientist? I'm just gonna know, just kidding, because it's 150 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: such a whole, like not a niche, but such a 151 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: like specific science, and it's so important obviously if we 152 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:48,679 Speaker 1: talk about when it comes to as you talked about 153 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: infectious diseases and overall, like when we talk about life 154 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: like agriculture and being able to pollinate, we know the importance, 155 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: and there obviously has to be someone who studies. 156 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, so thank you. Yeah, Oh my gosh, it's my 157 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 4: It's literally my pleasure. You fall in love with these 158 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 4: creatures the more you like study them and get to 159 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 4: know them. 160 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 3: But I know what you mean. 161 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 4: Not everybody is a big bug fan, and like even 162 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 4: growing up, like my parents, they love what I do. 163 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 4: Now they're super supported. But I will say my mom 164 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 4: she was a literature teacher and English teacher, and when 165 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 4: I first declared my major, she thought I was an entomologist, 166 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 4: and so she was very excited for me. She was like, yes, literature, 167 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 4: and then when I explained I was an entomologist, she 168 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 4: was still proud of me. But it definitely was a 169 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 4: little bit of getting used to your type thing. 170 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: I was like, I'll have to rearrange my thought process. Okay, yes, cool, 171 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 1: this is another. 172 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 2: Thing that's a really good I can see that being 173 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:50,199 Speaker 2: a really good like mini series, a. 174 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: Whole episode on a sitcom. 175 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah it is. It definitely feels like that, doesn't it. 176 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 2: Yes. Oh okay, So there are so many things I 177 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 2: want to ask you, but yes, one of them is 178 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 2: given this kind of accidental journey into where you are now. 179 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 2: Are there any people that you looked up to or 180 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 2: inspired you in the field or not in the field, 181 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 2: I guess now or in the past. 182 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 3: Absolutely. 183 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 4: So, There's been a lot of really important academic figures 184 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 4: that I've gotten to work with as I've kind of 185 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 4: gone through my journey as an entomologist. I would say, 186 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 4: in the realm of bug science and insects science, some 187 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 4: of the really iconic entomologists like EO. Wilson comes to mind, 188 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 4: super super iconic entomologist and like really pivotal for the field. 189 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,079 Speaker 4: But even more locally, at EGA, I was really gifted 190 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:50,239 Speaker 4: with such a great department that was full of different individuals, 191 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 4: all specializing in different things that were able to help 192 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 4: me figure out just what I liked and what I 193 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 4: didn't like. In particular, one of my professors, her name 194 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 4: was doctor Shaw. She was so important for me because 195 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 4: she was the first woman that I ever. 196 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 3: Saw in entomology. 197 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 4: And not only was she an entomologist, but she was 198 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 4: also a communicator and she was really involved in outreaching 199 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 4: education and she to me was like real life Miss Frizzle, 200 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 4: Like she like was all about wearing bug clothes and 201 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 4: doing bug events. And eating bug cookies and doing all 202 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 4: and it just it gave me so much excitement because 203 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 4: it totally validated what I was feeling of being interested 204 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 4: in bugs but them being like a little weirded out, 205 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:29,959 Speaker 4: because you know, there really aren't a ton of girls 206 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 4: all the time that are interested in entomology. But she 207 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 4: was a really important icon for me as I was 208 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 4: going through my study. So I'm really glad I got 209 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 4: to work with her and side notes, she also gave 210 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 4: me my first job in entomology. At Uga, there is 211 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 4: an insect zoo, and so I got to work in 212 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 4: the insect zoo as a zoo keeper. 213 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 3: And a manager. 214 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 4: So I was playing with bugs every day, teaching people 215 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 4: about bugs. 216 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 3: It was my favorite thing. So I'm very grateful for her. 217 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:58,079 Speaker 1: How did I not know that was a zoo? 218 00:10:58,440 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 4: Like it's a little hit. 219 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: I can't imagine I could. To be fair, I didn't 220 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: know about the cow. I don't think it exists anymore. 221 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: There was a cow, you know what I'm talking about, 222 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: immigrace not that's what I'm talking about. A lot later 223 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,959 Speaker 1: and I had vet friends and there's this infamous cow 224 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: that has a I'm not gonna say it anyway, But 225 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: it was just like wow, like the legends of things 226 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: that happened on campus that I didn't realize until much 227 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: later that I was like. 228 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:21,559 Speaker 7: Man, what is this? 229 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: But you know, I do have a specific question because 230 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: you talked about how you kind of got into it 231 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: with a class as an entomologist. Do you have a specialty? 232 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 1: Are you looking at something very specific right now? And 233 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: what is it? 234 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:41,959 Speaker 3: That's a great question. 235 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 4: I'm very fascinatd No, That's an awesome question because that's 236 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 4: usually what happens with entomologists, is they kind of you 237 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 4: kind of have to specialize in something. So right now 238 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 4: I'm still keeping it a little bit more general. But 239 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 4: in recent years my focus has really been mosquitos and 240 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 4: ticks in particular, how like homeowners can kind of do 241 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 4: mosquito and to control themselves. So part of what I 242 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:06,079 Speaker 4: do as a science communicators. I work with different control agencies, 243 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 4: whether that's like different mosquito control companies or different major 244 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 4: past control companies, and I helped train their technicians on 245 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 4: how to actually go out and like communicate with homeowners, 246 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:19,439 Speaker 4: communicate with customers, assess an area, and see what control 247 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 4: efforts can be made before we're laying down some kind 248 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 4: of product or chemical. So that's what I've been doing recently. 249 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 4: And then I'm also very into butterflies that I did 250 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 4: a big year long study of butterflies. I worked in 251 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 4: a tropical butterfly conservatory, so I got to see them 252 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 4: as they. 253 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:37,319 Speaker 3: Were developing through their metamorphosis. 254 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 4: I got to work with them really intimately. So that's 255 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 4: also a little bit of background I have that I 256 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 4: would say is kind of like a specialty. 257 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: Oh dang, that's really important in the State of Georgia 258 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,319 Speaker 1: when it comes to like mosquitoes and techs. We know 259 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: for sure, by the way, I need your number information 260 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:59,439 Speaker 1: as I live here. And yeah, anyway, because that is 261 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: also it's a very big conversation about what is happening 262 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: with diseases when it comes to like pet ownership as 263 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: well as individual ownership. Ticks have been a huge problem 264 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:11,239 Speaker 1: within the State of Georgia everywhere we know, any wooded area. 265 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: But I know that's the whole thing because of things 266 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: like lime disease and different types of diseases that happen 267 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: with again like your pets and such. So I cannot 268 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 1: imagine the amount of like researcher having to do, especially 269 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:26,319 Speaker 1: again here in Georgia. 270 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 4: No, for sure, and it's I mean, it's kind of exciting. 271 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 4: It's it's fun to be an entomologist because this is 272 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 4: about the season of the year where everyone starts dreading 273 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:34,559 Speaker 4: bugs coming out. But it's the season where I start 274 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 4: getting excited because this is where we start to see 275 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 4: if some of those control efforts we're trying out are 276 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 4: actually going to work or actually going to be implemented. 277 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 4: So it definitely is important. And I think that's also 278 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 4: why I like being in this field, is because not 279 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 4: only am I looking at such like unique organisms and 280 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 4: unique animals, but there's always room to learn, there's always 281 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 4: things to do, and it has a big impact, like 282 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 4: you said, whether it's on disease and health, whether it's 283 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 4: on pollinators in agriculture, there are large impacts of this 284 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 4: kind of work. I like it something I like. 285 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 2: I think that's so important for people to remember because like, 286 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 2: for instance, I also work on a food show, and 287 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 2: the amount of times I've heard food producers express worry 288 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 2: about bees or pests or any kind of thing, like, 289 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 2: it's huge. It is such an impact that I think 290 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 2: a lot of people don't necessarily consider all of the time, 291 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 2: and there are so many amazing things about bugs that 292 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 2: I love, and some of them are terrifying, right, Like, 293 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 2: I totally get it, some of them are scary. But 294 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 2: that being said, are is there any like bug fact 295 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 2: you love to hand out at like parties, like your favorite. 296 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: A conversation starter? 297 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, knowing there is one, that's the thing. 298 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 3: There is one. 299 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 4: So if anybody is listening that has ever met me, 300 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 4: I'm sure you've already heard this. But my favorite, like 301 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 4: go to icebreaker bug fact is about dragonflies. So dragonflies 302 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 4: are really cool because they're a semi aquatic insect, which 303 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 4: maybe you don't really realize until you start thinking about it. 304 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 4: You always see them around bodies of water like lakes, ponds, 305 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 4: things like that. But they spend that first half their 306 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 4: life completely underwater, and they are ferocious when they're underwater. 307 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 3: That's sean. 308 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 4: They're kind of are. 309 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I just want to say, this is why 310 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: I have problems with easy insects, are like, why are 311 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: you coming after me? 312 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 7: Well, I mean they're just doing their dragonflies. 313 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: They are ferocious, Like they just cut of rubble you 314 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: and be like I can take you out if I 315 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: want to. 316 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 4: They're kind of crazy too, because like dragonflies in particular 317 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 4: are so chunky when they're in their aquatic nymphase. If 318 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 4: you're fine when they're so chunky and big. But the 319 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 4: kinds of things they eat when they're underwater. They're carnivores, 320 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 4: so they're eating like other fish, they're eating other insects, 321 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 4: they're eating each other. But fun facts that I always 322 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 4: like to share is if that wasn't fun enough, right, 323 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 4: is the way they eat you should look at an image. 324 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 3: It's so cool. 325 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 4: Is they essentially have a jaw that they can unhinge, 326 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 4: so their jaw kind of unhinges and elongates and then 327 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 4: grabs onto a prey in order to eat it. And 328 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 4: then you think of dragonflies. You go into like a 329 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 4: you know, a store and you see pretty dragonfly pictures 330 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 4: on like everything, right, but before they get those wings, 331 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 4: they're kind of ferocious. 332 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 3: They're kind of wild. 333 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: I feel like the ferocious all the time. I'm just 334 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: thinking about like if I'm outside swimming and they're there, 335 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: they don't leave you alone. They're just mean. They're like, yeah, 336 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: this is my territory. I'm gonna take you out. And 337 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: now that I know there are jaws unhinted, like you 338 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: are literal monsters. 339 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there's something else. There's something else. 340 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 5: I'm starting to think, Samantha, you have particularly angered the 341 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 5: bugs in a past. 342 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: Life, for we were like in Amazing Maybe I was 343 00:16:53,320 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: a bug. I don't know, but look, I think this 344 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: is what it is about insects, and you can tell 345 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong, Emma Gray. Is that they are 346 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: so not like the creatures are not talked about it enough, 347 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: Like they're not like the dogs or when we get 348 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: fun facts about otters or something like that, that when 349 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 1: you find something out about them, it's so like beyond 350 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: what you expect that they become a legend in your mind. 351 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: And they're like, this is what if they were our size, 352 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 1: we would all be extinct. Like that's what I think. 353 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 1: And I think they're so mean and they're literally one 354 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: one thousand of my size, one one millionth of my size, 355 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: but you're still somehow so mean and aggressive. This is 356 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: why I'm like, I feel like. 357 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 4: They're on their own path. They have their own missions, 358 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 4: you know, like our mission in life is like for 359 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 4: comfort and enjoyment and aesthetic, right, and the bugs don't 360 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 4: care about that, they're doing their own missions, so they 361 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:52,360 Speaker 4: don't care. 362 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: They don't care, And it's kind of like how they 363 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: camouflage themselves so that you have ladybugs who are supposed 364 00:17:57,760 --> 00:17:59,199 Speaker 1: to be so cute and all these things, and then 365 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 1: you have what I was like, the Asian version that 366 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: they're mean and they look a lot like and I'm like, 367 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 1: that's the first of all, that's racist. 368 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 5: I'm just kidding. 369 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: Second of all, Second of all, why are you so 370 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 1: mean and camouflage to look like the sweet one? 371 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 4: No, that is true. Well, I will say in defensive 372 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 4: Asian lady bules, they're less mean and more annoying. I think, 373 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 4: I don't know if that's better. 374 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 7: Okay, but. 375 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: Apparently I had a lot of hostility towards some types 376 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: of bugs and I didn't realize it until you came. 377 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 1: And I apologize in advance. Well i'll apologize now because 378 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: it's not advanced and the grace as I am discovering 379 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 1: my own angst in this. But that is an amazing 380 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: fact and horrifying at the same time. 381 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 4: And you really should look up images. It's so it's 382 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 4: so crazy, and I want to touch on something that 383 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 4: you kind of brought up or a theme you brought up. 384 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 4: But I think that's also why it's so fascinating to 385 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 4: think more critically about bugs and kind of look at 386 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 4: bugs in a different light, because they really are the 387 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 4: closest things we have to like extra terrestrials. You know, 388 00:18:58,200 --> 00:18:59,959 Speaker 4: if you look at a lot of like sci fi movies, 389 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 4: a lot of science fiction, a lot of like alien design, 390 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 4: it's all based on insects because they look so different. 391 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:07,919 Speaker 4: They don't look like us. They're not as predictable or 392 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,360 Speaker 4: cute as dogs and cats, right, and like each insect 393 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 4: is doing its own thing. 394 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 3: It's so fascinating. 395 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 4: Ladybugs are totally different than cicada's totally different than dragonflies, 396 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 4: than mosquitoes, but they're all still animals. 397 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 3: It's so fascinating. I could go on and on. 398 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: Well, I feel like there's been things creatures are like 399 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 1: these could have been dinosaurs, Like these are the closest 400 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: things to dinosaurs in a way, in that predatory ways 401 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: or whatever whatnot, which is also one I'm like. And 402 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 1: there's again millions of them, so you never know. And 403 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 1: I'm sure you can tell me you're discovering new species 404 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: or like new threads of types of lace. Or we're 405 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: having a moment where they all come together in one 406 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: big breed and take over the world. Cicadas. Wow, I 407 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: have a feeling, I have some I have some feelings 408 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 1: about this pion do. 409 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 2: I have to say, I love that you brought up 410 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 2: like and we are going to come back to this 411 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 2: at the end because I love horror movies as well, 412 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 2: and I love a lot of things where in the 413 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 2: end it'll the director, creator whoever will say like, yeah, 414 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 2: I based it off of this bug, or I based 415 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 2: it off of this behavior in bugs, and I'm so 416 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 2: cool terrifying, and. 417 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 5: I love it. 418 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 3: It's so cool. 419 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Well, I also did want to come back 420 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 2: to what we were mentioning earlier about women in entomology 421 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 2: and how it's still mostly men who are getting the 422 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 2: credit and attention. That was what one of our recent 423 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 2: episodes was about. Recent numbers indicate it's twenty five percent 424 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,479 Speaker 2: women compared to seventy five percent men, though the numbers 425 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 2: for women can be much lower in educational spaces. So 426 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 2: I wanted to ask, has that been your experience? 427 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 3: So it's a funny question. It's it's funny because this 428 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 3: is such. 429 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 4: A small field, right, So my personal experience could just 430 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 4: be confirmation bias. It could just be because of the 431 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 4: circles that I was in. In my small experience through this, 432 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,919 Speaker 4: I think my cohort only had like maybe fifteen people 433 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 4: that graduated in my year, you know what I mean. 434 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 4: So it's my experience going through academia was a lot 435 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 4: smaller than other fields maybe. But the reason I bring 436 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 4: that up is because when I was in school studying 437 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:29,360 Speaker 4: and even when I did some like different academic research opportunities, 438 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 4: I was down at Georgia Southern for a little while 439 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 4: in a forensic entomology lab, and in academia, from what 440 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:38,439 Speaker 4: I've seen, it's always been more women in entomology than 441 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 4: it has been men. However, when I've gotten to the 442 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 4: workforce and when I've actually talked with researchers or for instance, 443 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 4: earlier this year, I went to an entomology conference with 444 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 4: some like industry professionals, and that was very apparent that 445 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 4: I was one of the only women that was actually 446 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 4: in that field and present. And I had a good 447 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 4: time at the conference. I still learned a lot, but 448 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,959 Speaker 4: there were moments where I definitely felt I was being 449 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 4: viewed more as a woman and not as a colleague 450 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 4: or a peer or a scientist, which is unfortunate, But 451 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 4: I will say I think I'm hopeful with what I've 452 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 4: seen going through school and so what I'm seeing with 453 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 4: like the next generation of entomologists, and then also how 454 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 4: things like TikTok, Instagram, social media are starting to make 455 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 4: this information more accessible. I follow a lot of different 456 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,719 Speaker 4: creators online that are in the science space, maybe not 457 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 4: just talking about bugs, but talking about ecology or biology, 458 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:31,719 Speaker 4: and a lot of them, a lot of them are 459 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 4: women or are you know, female presenting or identifying, And 460 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 4: it's really just it's affirming for me because I think 461 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 4: there is I think when you grow up, if you 462 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 4: like things that are gross, like worms or roaches or slugs, 463 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 4: it's just not like you hear it all the time. 464 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,239 Speaker 4: It's not ladylike, right, And it's unfortunate. I think that 465 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 4: really maybe stifles that creativity and that fascination in entomology. 466 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: You know, as you talk about that. Yeah, most of 467 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: the content that I've gotten about as a cade and 468 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 1: anything from TikTok has been from women. I didn't even 469 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: like catch on to it, but now that I'm thinking 470 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: about the one people who are talking about it. The 471 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:12,400 Speaker 1: most as recently except for one person has been women, 472 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: and the one person was because they were had an 473 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: influx of cicadas and asking what was happening, like they 474 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: were not sure, but it was happening on their property, 475 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,239 Speaker 1: so they weren't coming from a scientific perspective. They were 476 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: asking questions about it. And that's the only like man 477 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: that I've seen actually talking about this, So that that 478 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: is fascinating to hear. To know that those who were 479 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: I don't know, it seemed like maybe like they're carrying 480 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: and learning more maybe towards that way, and it's it 481 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 1: is a growing field into that world, which is fascinating. 482 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 4: So I'm interested to see, like, as you know, this 483 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 4: field continues to progress and as time goes on, whether 484 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 4: or not those percentages maybe even out a little bit more. 485 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 4: But again, it's such a niche field. It's so small 486 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 4: that it could just be the pockets that I was 487 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 4: interacting with. That's what I experienced both in school, but 488 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 4: even like in my job and in my career, it 489 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 4: can it can just be those particular moments. 490 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 3: So love to see. 491 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm hopeful that it is shifting and going back 492 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 2: to a point you brought up later or later earlier. 493 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 2: I did read in a lot of places that there 494 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 2: was like an ick factor that hit in like in 495 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 2: middle school, where girls were almost socialized to be like, Okay, 496 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 2: bugs are gross. I don't like bugs. It's sort of 497 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:33,880 Speaker 2: a trope, a stereotype that, in a very heterosexual sense, 498 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 2: you get your dude to get the spider if you're 499 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 2: like a friend, and that that has legitimately in like 500 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 2: academic papers, this came up as being something that is 501 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 2: in somewhere or another deterring women and girls from being 502 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 2: entomologist or going at all. Even thinking about it, does 503 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:58,719 Speaker 2: that like bring true to you? 504 00:24:58,760 --> 00:24:59,919 Speaker 5: Does that make sense. 505 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 4: Thinking about like middle schoolers, That absolutely makes sense. So 506 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:05,439 Speaker 4: part of the work that I do is I do 507 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,439 Speaker 4: a lot of like communication with like field trip groups, 508 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,640 Speaker 4: or I'll go to schools and explain bugs, or I'll 509 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 4: connect with different schools online and do like a remote 510 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 4: presentation or something. And yeah, it's hard because that's such 511 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 4: a you know, volatile age range, because like you are 512 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 4: so worried about being judged by your peers, and you're 513 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 4: so worried about like how to identify yourself and how 514 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 4: to you know, find your interests in who you're turning into. 515 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 4: So I definitely think that rings true. But I think 516 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 4: that trying to have people in the field that are 517 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 4: a little bit more appealing to young girls, So whether 518 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 4: that's women that are entomologists or just just showing off 519 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,120 Speaker 4: the feats of women in this field, I think can 520 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 4: help encourage those girls that are interested in bugs to 521 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 4: continue pursuing that interest. 522 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so. I think so. 523 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:58,640 Speaker 2: Like looking back, there's been several instances in my life 524 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 2: where someone who was very excited about something, who was 525 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 2: a woman showed up at my school and then I 526 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 2: was like, yes, I'm not the only one who's excited 527 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 2: about this. 528 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,160 Speaker 1: Representation matters. 529 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 4: You just unlocked a memory for me, like by saying that. 530 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 4: So I went to an all girls summer camp when 531 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 4: I was younger. I went for like every year, every summer, 532 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 4: but I remember one summer there was I think we 533 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 4: just called her the bug Lady, but she came and 534 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,719 Speaker 4: like just taught us different insect things. One thing that 535 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 4: like I loved, but probably a lot of like I 536 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:33,919 Speaker 4: don't know if the other girls like this or not, 537 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 4: but I thought it was really cool. Is like we 538 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 4: went out to a field at night. We took our flashlights, 539 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 4: turn them on and then you hold them against the 540 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 4: side of your face. The light is flashing outward. You're 541 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 4: not blinding yourself. But if you look around in the grass, 542 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 4: you'll start to see all these sparkles, like little glittery sparkles, 543 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 4: and it looks really pretty. And then she explained to 544 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 4: us that those are spider eyes. Those are all spiders 545 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:54,640 Speaker 4: in the grass. 546 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: And a lot of reactions to this is so different 547 00:26:59,040 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 1: from me. 548 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 3: But that was a cool moment for me. 549 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 7: And I'm never going to outside again. 550 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 5: I'm like, let me get there immediately. 551 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, keep going in. 552 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 4: That was a cool moment for me. I think I 553 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 4: was Annie and I were on the same wavelength there 554 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:19,439 Speaker 4: where I. 555 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 1: Was like you and I'm look at like if we 556 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,919 Speaker 1: had a steal of the moment you say this, and 557 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 1: Annie's face and then my face was like, oh we 558 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 1: do was just fascinating and terrifying for me. But that's 559 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:36,919 Speaker 1: that's an amazing core memory. 560 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 3: You just like totally unlocked it. 561 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 4: Because I don't know why I haven't thought of that recently, 562 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 4: but thank you for giving me that memory back. 563 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: And this is just something that like I'm thinking because 564 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: when I think about like again, this is when I 565 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: see TikTok or even like educational things. When I see 566 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: people talking about environmental issues and insects and the importance, 567 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: I honestly see a lot more women or like especially 568 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: like a feminist level of women to talking about these 569 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 1: issues more than I do men. I see when it 570 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 1: comes to like hunting and like like killing things and 571 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 1: like or something that's going to kill you type of thing, 572 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: I see a lot more men speaking on it. I 573 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: feel like this may be a dynamic because especially with 574 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: like the bees and the conversations of the bees, I 575 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: feel like I've seen more women talking about how to 576 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,640 Speaker 1: save the bees and being like the bee charming type 577 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: of thing and being able to like take a whole 578 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:35,120 Speaker 1: nests and helping them and relocating them without killing them. 579 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: And then if I see have conversations about like dirt dobberds, 580 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: which have no real benefits to helping anything that's causing 581 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: like chaos, I see a lot more men talking about 582 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 1: how to get rid of them. And it may be 583 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,959 Speaker 1: the algorithm that I'm at, but it's interesting to talk 584 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:50,719 Speaker 1: about because we've also talked about the fact that when 585 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: it comes to environmentalists and people who are talking about 586 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,959 Speaker 1: climate change and activism, we see a lot more women talking, 587 00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: and we see a lot more women, especially mars, less 588 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: women being at the front marginals people being at the 589 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: front of it. So I feel like I could go 590 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: hand in hand when it talks about the types of 591 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: specialties and the types of conversations we see in entomology. Again, 592 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: this is just workshopping and just seeing my own like 593 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: perspective now a kind of interesting conversation. 594 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 4: I think that does bring up something interesting that that 595 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 4: would be interesting. I've never thought of it in that 596 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 4: lighter looked at it before, but even like going even 597 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,959 Speaker 4: more granular in entomology that maybe more women that are 598 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 4: in entomology feel, I don't know, some kind of draw 599 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 4: or pressure to talk about quote unquote nicer bugs, right, 600 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 4: so these beneficial insects, beneficial pollinators, beneficial whatever versus, Like, 601 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 4: maybe it's still stigmatized. The's still not very like, you know, 602 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 4: appropriate for girls to talk about like roaches or talk 603 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 4: about fleas or talk about bed bugs or whatever. 604 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 3: So that's fascinating. 605 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 4: I'll have to think about that as I'm kind of 606 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 4: consuming content now in the next few days and. 607 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: Then you'll be coming back to us and let us 608 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 1: know I'm making this happen. 609 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 5: I love it. 610 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 2: Okay, well we've got to talk about cicadas. We've got too. 611 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 4: This is. 612 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 2: I don't know if you know this, immigrats. One of 613 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 2: my first things I did when I started doing podcasts 614 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 2: was an episode on cicadas. I was but a young 615 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 2: college student, and I was fascinated. I was so fascinated 616 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 2: about just how strange this is, like the timing of 617 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 2: it and how they work. I love the whole thing. 618 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 2: And as listeners, as poor Samanthonos, Yes, there is a 619 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 2: rare double brood happening this year, So can you break 620 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 2: down what that means and kind of just cicadas their 621 00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 2: whole thing in general. 622 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely, So the double brood event is really really, 623 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 4: really special, and I'm happy that we're calling it a 624 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 4: double brood event. Like I said, it's been so sensationalized. 625 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 4: A lot of people are calling it a cicada apocalypse 626 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 4: or making it sound really dangerous, but in fact, this 627 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 4: is really fascinating. So these brood cicadas, right, these are 628 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 4: the cicadas that come out in the US, and they 629 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 4: come out in these different intervals, either thirteen years or 630 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 4: seventeen years. Now, even aside from that thirteen and seventeen year, 631 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 4: we have other types of cicadas. We have annual cicadas 632 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 4: that come out no matter what, but these broods are 633 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 4: a little bit special. So these different broods of cicadas, 634 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 4: they're a combination of different cicicada species, and the idea 635 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 4: is that they come out at these different time intervals 636 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 4: kind of sporadically throughout the US. Now, why this year 637 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 4: is so interesting is because not only is it a 638 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,959 Speaker 4: brood year, but we have these two broods coming out 639 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 4: at the same time. So one of them is a 640 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 4: thirteen year brood and one is a seventeen year brood. 641 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 4: They're coming out at the same time. Their emergence is 642 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 4: timing up, and we have not seen that since I 643 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 4: think it's eighteen oh three. I made the connection earlier today. 644 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 4: I'm a big musical theater fan that like that was 645 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 4: when what Thomas Jefferson was in office, like Hamilton the 646 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 4: election of eighteen hundred. Anyway, it was I was like, 647 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 4: that's so fascinating think about But we have these two 648 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 4: broods of cicadas that are coming out at the same time. Now, 649 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 4: they're not going to be coming out and overlapping all 650 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 4: across the US. There's only going to be a couple 651 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 4: specific regions that will experience both broods at. 652 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 3: The same time. 653 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 4: But just the fact that they're both emerging and that 654 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,719 Speaker 4: the timelines matched up is pretty phenomenal, and it's enough 655 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 4: to get entomologists like me pretty excited about it. I've 656 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 4: been trying to also consume a lot of cicada content 657 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 4: just to see what it's looking like and sounding like 658 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 4: in different parts of Georgia and the US. 659 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, so where in Georgia will we see these broods happening? 660 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 1: So I cannot be there? 661 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 4: Well, that's an interesting question. It depends. It's really interesting 662 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 4: because it depends on the map you look at, and 663 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,959 Speaker 4: I guess it also depends on how often you're deciding 664 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 4: to go outside right now. But it's hard because both 665 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 4: of these cicadas they take such a long time to 666 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 4: come out that the data that we're looking at from 667 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 4: the last time either of these broods emerged is from 668 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 4: two thousand and seven or from twenty eleven, So based 669 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 4: on those maps, I think it was the Washington Post 670 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,239 Speaker 4: they made a really beautiful map kind of detailing an 671 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 4: estimation of where these cicadas should come out. And if 672 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 4: you look at that in Georgia, the furthest south it's 673 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 4: going to get is maybe just below like central Georgia, 674 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 4: so just below Macon area, maybe along that like southwestern 675 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 4: Alabama border, and then it'll be mostly in north Georgia. 676 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 4: So all I'm saying is Atlanta is like not in 677 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 4: a highlighted region, which makes my heart sad. But if 678 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 4: you are in like Metro Atlanta or kind of Atlanta proper, 679 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 4: I don't think we're going to be hearing as many 680 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 4: cicadas as if you were traveling north a couple hours 681 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 4: or south a couple hours. 682 00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 1: So Annie, you've gotta go home to Gainesville, and I'm 683 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 1: gonna go away from my hometown eligiir. 684 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 2: So Okay, yes, I think listeners know this, but we 685 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,280 Speaker 2: are based in Atlanta, you are. We were so happy 686 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:15,240 Speaker 2: to find someone out and about entomology wise, my mom, 687 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,800 Speaker 2: I've told the story. She lives about an hour and 688 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,839 Speaker 2: a half north of here. The last time cicadas came 689 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 2: out her house caked in them like he would. The 690 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 2: garage door would come down and it was just cicadas, 691 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 2: and they're so loud that my cousin who was visiting, 692 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 2: called his parents and said, get me out of here. 693 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,280 Speaker 5: I don't know what this sound is. 694 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,759 Speaker 1: They are so I couldn't. I couldn't imagine, because again 695 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 1: I grew up in LJ, Georgia, where cicadas where they are, 696 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 1: they are loud like they to the point that if 697 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 1: you're used to complete silence, the chirping can be so 698 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 1: loud that it will wake you up because it's sounding 699 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,239 Speaker 1: like reminiscent to me, that same like pattern of like 700 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 1: when a fire alarm goes off that you're home far 701 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,280 Speaker 1: along with the batteries are starting to get low, that chirping, 702 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 1: and I'm like, so if they're close enough, that's what 703 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 1: you hear. So I cannot imagine what is going to 704 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,799 Speaker 1: happen if it's in that area. 705 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,279 Speaker 4: I really hope this year with the two emergencies, because 706 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 4: there's so many questions that we have about cicadas, and 707 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 4: we just don't have great answers because it's hard to 708 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,280 Speaker 4: do research when they take. 709 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 3: So long to come out. 710 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 4: But what I'm hoping for this year is that that 711 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 4: somebody goes to one of these kind of dense areas 712 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,880 Speaker 4: with a like a decibel reader just to actually measure 713 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 4: how loud they get, because I've seen reports they can 714 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,240 Speaker 4: get as loud as ninety decibels, which that is pretty loud. 715 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 4: That would definitely be loud enough that I would maybe 716 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 4: stop enjoying the music and start maybe looking to maybe 717 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 4: walk a little ways away. 718 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,759 Speaker 3: But no, it is. 719 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,719 Speaker 4: It is fascinating that it's not just covering the state. 720 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 4: So if you are in North Georgia, you're or kind of, 721 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,760 Speaker 4: like I said, in that mid line southern midline of 722 00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 4: the state, you're probably gonna be more likely to hear 723 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,799 Speaker 4: them see them. And then in terms of the rest 724 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 4: of the US, if there are listeners in Illinois, that 725 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 4: is kind of the hot spat right now for both broods. 726 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 4: There are a couple regions of Illinois where both the 727 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,359 Speaker 4: different broods thirteen and nineteen are gonna come out at 728 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 4: around the same time. It's gonna get illinoisy is what 729 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:19,920 Speaker 4: I'm saying. 730 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 3: Yes, you in the right. 731 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 1: Place inside of think you two may just be like soulmates. 732 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 2: Yes, And the funny thing is too not to keep 733 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 2: harping on this point, but Samantha and I just coming 734 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,319 Speaker 2: from different places, and I keep being like, I think 735 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 2: I heard one, and Samantha's like, oh no, but I 736 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 2: keep thinking like I heard something. And this is one 737 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 2: of the most fascinating parts about cicadas. Is that sound, right? 738 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,799 Speaker 2: Can you tell us what's going on with that whole thing? 739 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely so. 740 00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,440 Speaker 4: A lot of insects make sounds, right, That's a really 741 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,960 Speaker 4: important way to communicate with one another. And usually when 742 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 4: insects are making sounds, it's either for a warning or 743 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:06,960 Speaker 4: it's to try and find a mate, and in the 744 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 4: case of cicadas, it's the latter. So while that noise 745 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,400 Speaker 4: may be really off putting, maybe that's like a secondary benefit, 746 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,880 Speaker 4: as predators aren't really gonna want to mess with you 747 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 4: if you're annoying them. It's really being made so that 748 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,680 Speaker 4: they can find each other during these big emergent events, 749 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 4: and so that then they can mate, reproduce, and start 750 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 4: the next cycle. And so it's only the male cicadas 751 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 4: that actually make that noise. That's something that I think 752 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,439 Speaker 4: is a little bit of a misconception, is that every 753 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 4: cicada makes that noise and that's why it's so blaringly loud, 754 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,920 Speaker 4: But in fact, it's just the males that are making 755 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,560 Speaker 4: it to attract the females. 756 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:41,279 Speaker 3: One thing that I learned. 757 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,799 Speaker 4: Which I would love to share, So when we think 758 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:48,279 Speaker 4: about our broods, are different broods And if this feels reminiscent, 759 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,319 Speaker 4: this idea of brood cicadas, we just had brood ten 760 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 4: brood X a couple years ago. So when we think 761 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,880 Speaker 4: about a brood, it's made up of a ton of 762 00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:01,400 Speaker 4: different species of cicada. Like they're period, they're all deciding 763 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,240 Speaker 4: to start their timer and you know, wake up thirteen 764 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 4: years at the same time. But they're all different species. 765 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 4: And so when you listen to cicadas chirping, sometimes you 766 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,880 Speaker 4: can you can detect what species you're actually listening to 767 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,839 Speaker 4: because the chirp is a little bit different. So some 768 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:22,239 Speaker 4: of them make like an actual sound sequence. Some of 769 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 4: them kind of make more of a click and a 770 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,880 Speaker 4: buzz instead of just a straight buzz. So that can 771 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,280 Speaker 4: be a little fascinating to figure out, Okay, which species 772 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,400 Speaker 4: is nearby me in this brood, or maybe which species 773 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,440 Speaker 4: is most prominent in this brood. But they're making these noises, 774 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,239 Speaker 4: they've got these organs on the sides of their abdomen. 775 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:42,360 Speaker 4: They're called timbals, and they're cool. They're like membrane organs 776 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 4: that they use and they can click and kind of 777 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,439 Speaker 4: push air in their body to click and make those 778 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:52,880 Speaker 4: buzzing sounds. And so if you're looking at a larger 779 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,319 Speaker 4: periodical cicada that's clicking at a different rate than a 780 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,960 Speaker 4: smaller periodical cicada, those sounds are going to be completely different. 781 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,000 Speaker 5: I love it. I love it so much. 782 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:09,520 Speaker 2: So, as we've been alluding to, this is getting a 783 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 2: lot of coverage, even if they a bit late to 784 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 2: the game form my taste, but recently getting a lot 785 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,040 Speaker 2: of coverage, and as you said, a little bit it 786 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 2: has been kind of fear mungery has been very like 787 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,640 Speaker 2: cicada apocalypse. Yeah, what to know about your pets, what 788 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,360 Speaker 2: to know about like all of this stuff. So, do 789 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 2: you have any misconceptions about what's coming up with these 790 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,360 Speaker 2: two broods emerging that we that you would like to 791 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:37,839 Speaker 2: clear up. 792 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,719 Speaker 4: Absolutely, So there's a few things that I would love 793 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,720 Speaker 4: to share just to bring some peace of mind. Hopefully 794 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,160 Speaker 4: this does. But first we touched on a little bit. 795 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,760 Speaker 4: Even though this is a huge year for that double 796 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 4: brood event and for cicada emergency, it's not happening everywhere. 797 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,000 Speaker 4: So there are lots of maps online right now that 798 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 4: you can find that. The use research, like I said, 799 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 4: from previous years, we've been able to study these roots 800 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 4: to approximate where they're. 801 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:02,520 Speaker 3: Going to end up. 802 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,560 Speaker 4: So if you're nervous that, like you've heard neighbors in 803 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 4: you know, or family in one state complaining about cicadas 804 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,600 Speaker 4: and you're just waiting until they creep up in your backyard, 805 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 4: it might not even happen. It totally depends on where 806 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,759 Speaker 4: you are located. The second thing I want to clear up, 807 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,200 Speaker 4: and I try and clear this up when I talk 808 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,160 Speaker 4: about a lot of different insects, is whether or not 809 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,719 Speaker 4: they're medically important. So cicadas are not known to be 810 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,080 Speaker 4: medically important insects. What I mean by that is they're 811 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,240 Speaker 4: not known to spread diseases to people or pets. In fact, 812 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:36,479 Speaker 4: cicada's mouth parts, the mouthpieces that they have are really 813 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,800 Speaker 4: not designed to be piercing like through skin or chewing anything. 814 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,759 Speaker 4: So it's very very very unlikely they'll bite you unless you, 815 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,120 Speaker 4: I guess, really wanted them to. 816 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:52,440 Speaker 1: But I'm staying away from them. I'm trying not to 817 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:53,879 Speaker 1: fight any of them, Okay. 818 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:55,279 Speaker 3: And that's okay too. 819 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 4: Their goal right now when they emerge is to emerge completely, 820 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,520 Speaker 4: avoid predators as best they can, and then find mates. 821 00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 4: So they're really not interested in people at all. And 822 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,240 Speaker 4: I like to say also, they really shouldn't be dangerous. 823 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:10,800 Speaker 4: If you do want to try and handle them, or 824 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,160 Speaker 4: if you do want to try and get close to 825 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,480 Speaker 4: take pictures or anything like that, you might get spooked 826 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:18,120 Speaker 4: a little bit by the noise, but they're pretty harmless. 827 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,200 Speaker 2: I did see, and this was news to me, so 828 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:22,600 Speaker 2: please correct me if I'm wrong. 829 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,960 Speaker 5: This was another fear mongering headline I saw. To me. 830 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:28,799 Speaker 2: I don't care, but I could tell they were trying 831 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,720 Speaker 2: to make me scared that there's gonna be cicada rain. 832 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:38,319 Speaker 3: Oh the spit, I haven't. That's what I thought. 833 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,320 Speaker 2: I know some stuff about cicadas, and I never heard 834 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:43,720 Speaker 2: of I've. 835 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:44,200 Speaker 3: Never heard that. 836 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,000 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm happy to look it up and follow up. 837 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,120 Speaker 4: I thought when you said cicada rain, you meant that 838 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,520 Speaker 4: they're all going to like fall out of the sky dying, 839 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:56,040 Speaker 4: which that might happen after they reproduce and they lay 840 00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,120 Speaker 4: their eggs. They don't live very long after that, so 841 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,480 Speaker 4: eventually there are going to be kind of piles everywhere 842 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,720 Speaker 4: of dead cicadas. And also when they lay those eggs, 843 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:07,640 Speaker 4: this is also so fascinating. I'm going to take us 844 00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:11,319 Speaker 4: on a tangent. When cicadas lay their eggs. I always thought, 845 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,120 Speaker 4: I was like, why have I never seen a cicada egg. 846 00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:14,359 Speaker 4: I don't even know what that looks like. I've never 847 00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,920 Speaker 4: seen that one out in the wild. And that's because 848 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:18,759 Speaker 4: they don't just lay them willy nilly out in the 849 00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,399 Speaker 4: wild like other insects might. Female cicadas will lay them 850 00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,000 Speaker 4: inside tree branches or inside woody kind of branches of 851 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,960 Speaker 4: different trees, shrubs, things like that. Their ovipositor, which is 852 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,960 Speaker 4: the organ they have to help lay eggs, is so 853 00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,799 Speaker 4: sharp that it pierces through the wood, and then they 854 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,960 Speaker 4: lay eggs inside there. And then once those eggs are 855 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,359 Speaker 4: kind of ready to emerge, the nymphs will crawl out 856 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,680 Speaker 4: and eventually they'll either fall off the tree or crawl 857 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,240 Speaker 4: down the tree to make their way to the soil. 858 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,799 Speaker 4: But that's why you never see cicada eggs. So again, 859 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,520 Speaker 4: that could be another iteration of Cicata rain as all 860 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:52,960 Speaker 4: of a sudden, all these nymphs are going to start 861 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,600 Speaker 4: coming down to the ground so they can get in 862 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:55,480 Speaker 4: the soil area. 863 00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,480 Speaker 3: I don't know about spitting. That's new. That's something I 864 00:42:58,520 --> 00:42:59,040 Speaker 3: haven't heard. 865 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:00,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, that was new to me. 866 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,160 Speaker 2: And I'm not an entomologist, so I don't know, but 867 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,839 Speaker 2: I've done my look looking up of. 868 00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:11,680 Speaker 5: And so that I was like, really, so, kater Rain, Hm, 869 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:24,480 Speaker 5: well maybe we'll see. Maybe we'll see. 870 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:33,120 Speaker 2: Well, we have to end on something that when our 871 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,360 Speaker 2: producer Christina was like, I think I found the person 872 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:35,719 Speaker 2: for you. 873 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:38,640 Speaker 5: Star Wars. 874 00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:47,080 Speaker 2: You have done videos Instagram videos about bugs and Star Wars. 875 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:52,160 Speaker 2: I am a huge Star Wars fan. I mean that 876 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,640 Speaker 2: was like I was like, okay, sold, We're good. 877 00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:57,080 Speaker 3: I did my best. 878 00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,840 Speaker 2: Can you talk about some of those the videos that 879 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,839 Speaker 2: you've done or the thoughts that you have about like 880 00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,840 Speaker 2: bugs and Star Wars. 881 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's something that I always think is really fun. 882 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:11,520 Speaker 4: Like this is bugs are so fun, even outside of 883 00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,080 Speaker 4: like the actual insects themselves. Again, they provide so much 884 00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,080 Speaker 4: inspiration for things in pop culture or things in movies 885 00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,920 Speaker 4: because they look so otherworldly already. And so I like 886 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,319 Speaker 4: when I can find little opportunities to try and get 887 00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,799 Speaker 4: people interested in real life bugs by maybe connecting them 888 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:29,319 Speaker 4: with fictional bugs. When I do school presentations, I talk 889 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,680 Speaker 4: about how my job is a lot similar to Pokemon trainers, 890 00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,840 Speaker 4: because I'm trying to collect bugs and do research and 891 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,680 Speaker 4: figure out what's going on. So I try and find 892 00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,640 Speaker 4: ways I can do that through my social media and 893 00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:44,200 Speaker 4: also through talking with people. But the Star Wars videos 894 00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,680 Speaker 4: were something that I made because I thought it would 895 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:46,960 Speaker 4: be fun. 896 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:47,440 Speaker 3: It was for me. 897 00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,360 Speaker 4: The fourth, which is Star Wars Day, I have to 898 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,600 Speaker 4: admit I am a Star Wars fan. Don't get me wrong, 899 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,640 Speaker 4: I am only new I've been recently introduced to the 900 00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,880 Speaker 4: world of the prequels. I just watched them for the 901 00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,080 Speaker 4: first time this year, so a lot of what I've 902 00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,360 Speaker 4: been absorbing through the prequels I've only seen them once. 903 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,879 Speaker 4: But my boyfriend and my family are all huge Star 904 00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,840 Speaker 4: Wars fans, like mega Star Wars fans. So when I 905 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,520 Speaker 4: was making this video, I was trying to think, like, oh, 906 00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,560 Speaker 4: I wonder what cool bugs are in the Star Wars universe, 907 00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,399 Speaker 4: and it came to mind that like, maybe I could 908 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,040 Speaker 4: talk about the Starlac Pit because there's you know, maybe 909 00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,560 Speaker 4: that's kind of like a worm looking thing, or there's 910 00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,280 Speaker 4: that big worm in the Asterroid and the original movies 911 00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,720 Speaker 4: that they have to kind of dodge or get out quickly. 912 00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,040 Speaker 4: But then the more research I did thinking about the prequels, 913 00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,720 Speaker 4: that's when I found out all about like the actual 914 00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,760 Speaker 4: insectoid race in the Star Wars universe. And I've gotten 915 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,759 Speaker 4: some discourse online, and my defense is that I all 916 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,920 Speaker 4: the information I have is either from the movies or 917 00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:47,520 Speaker 4: from Wookipedia, which is the Star Wars Wikipedia. But the 918 00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:52,640 Speaker 4: insectoid race, the Genotionans are the designers and essentially original 919 00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,200 Speaker 4: builders of the Death Star, which is like the most 920 00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:59,000 Speaker 4: iconic image in Star Wars. And I was like, there 921 00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:00,719 Speaker 4: we go again. We've got another thing to thank the 922 00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,319 Speaker 4: bugs for. So I'm gonna make a video about it. 923 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:06,960 Speaker 5: Yes, Oh, I love it. 924 00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:08,400 Speaker 3: You'll have to tell me. You'll have to. 925 00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,000 Speaker 4: I would love your honest review because I did my best. 926 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,160 Speaker 5: Oh no, I love it. 927 00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,840 Speaker 2: And they have such like a tragic they have like 928 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,880 Speaker 2: a hive mind, but they've got like such a tragic 929 00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,439 Speaker 2: thing that happened where they were like, oh, we didn't 930 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,319 Speaker 2: know what we were doing the Death Star and then 931 00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:26,439 Speaker 2: they kind of get wiped out. 932 00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, the cherry on top of that whole story, was 933 00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,520 Speaker 4: in my research. I think the only g ocean that 934 00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:37,160 Speaker 4: survives their name is click Clack, which I think is amazing. 935 00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:41,920 Speaker 2: Yes, but click Clack does have an egg. So there's hope, 936 00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:44,080 Speaker 2: uh for the future. 937 00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:45,520 Speaker 3: That's my new hope right there. 938 00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:49,759 Speaker 2: The spiders in the Mandalorian that freaked everybody out, Like 939 00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,880 Speaker 2: the lot, there's a lot of fertile ground. 940 00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:55,719 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I think when we need to 941 00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,560 Speaker 1: find a better word for you, because you're not a 942 00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,640 Speaker 1: big fan any like you are along the lines of 943 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:09,160 Speaker 1: being an expert, like when it comes to like PhD. 944 00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,160 Speaker 1: I don't know what it was, but it's definitely not 945 00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,919 Speaker 1: just because a fan is so loose and it's too broad. 946 00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:19,520 Speaker 1: When she like, she will tell you about the creatures 947 00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,840 Speaker 1: of Star Wars, of all of them, all of them, 948 00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,319 Speaker 1: not not the animated versions as well. I have a film, so. 949 00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:28,960 Speaker 3: I love that. 950 00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:33,680 Speaker 1: In our team meeting and Christina uh, super producer. Christina 951 00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:35,839 Speaker 1: was like, so she has a Star Wars content and 952 00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,640 Speaker 1: and he was like yes, immediately, yes, like that, this 953 00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:43,319 Speaker 1: is like the cherry on top. So I've guaranteed she'll 954 00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,920 Speaker 1: let you know and then start if you need more information, 955 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:46,560 Speaker 1: she can help you. 956 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,279 Speaker 4: Amazing collaboration next piece. 957 00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:50,080 Speaker 3: I already see it. 958 00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:51,439 Speaker 5: Yes. 959 00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,960 Speaker 2: Also, I like to think I believe it's true. I'm 960 00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:56,839 Speaker 2: a nice Star Wars fan. I'm not gonna keep mean 961 00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:57,239 Speaker 2: about it. 962 00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,879 Speaker 5: Yes, I'm much more like and I tell you, I'm 963 00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,600 Speaker 5: like the entomologist of it. I'm like, can I just 964 00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:05,520 Speaker 5: tell you of that? It's so exciting. 965 00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,360 Speaker 4: That's my favorite thing, is like talking with people that 966 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,040 Speaker 4: have such a clear passion for what they're talking about. 967 00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,160 Speaker 4: That's like, yes, always gets me excited, Like when I 968 00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:15,840 Speaker 4: get to talk about bugs, or when I get to 969 00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:17,839 Speaker 4: talk with people that also like bugs or Star Wars 970 00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,120 Speaker 4: or whatever it is, It's like, it's just such a it's. 971 00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:22,000 Speaker 3: A nice feeling. 972 00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,240 Speaker 1: I love it. 973 00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,839 Speaker 2: It is it is, And I'm very happy to know 974 00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,600 Speaker 2: that you are around and about and maybe we could 975 00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:35,080 Speaker 2: hang out in real life. Yes, But one final question. 976 00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,120 Speaker 2: We've been kind of touching on this throughout, but do 977 00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,640 Speaker 2: you have any for the listeners, any advice maybe if 978 00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:46,360 Speaker 2: they're interested in this or maybe any field like this 979 00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:50,680 Speaker 2: where they might not think it's a path for. 980 00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:56,239 Speaker 4: Them necessarily, Absolutely so, with a life science field like this, 981 00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,440 Speaker 4: the best way to learn is to like get your 982 00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:03,400 Speaker 4: hands dirty, like to get into an opportunity. I'm speaking 983 00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,680 Speaker 4: from entomology, like, if you're able to work with bugs, handlebugs, 984 00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:08,800 Speaker 4: or like get to know them a little bit more intimately, 985 00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:10,360 Speaker 4: it's going to tell you right away whether or not 986 00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,360 Speaker 4: you like this field. And I imagine that's true for 987 00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,520 Speaker 4: most other life sciences, like marine sciences. If you're interested 988 00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:20,239 Speaker 4: in horticulture plants and trees, being able to actually work 989 00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,440 Speaker 4: with those organisms will let you know, Okay, is this 990 00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,279 Speaker 4: something I'm fascinated in? But this is also such an 991 00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,600 Speaker 4: awesome time to be interested in anything, whether that is 992 00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,960 Speaker 4: any kind of science, any kind of field, any kind 993 00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:36,319 Speaker 4: of like really hobby anything, because there's so much information online. 994 00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,359 Speaker 4: There's so many awesome creators that are posting cool things 995 00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,240 Speaker 4: online on social media. There are also so many online 996 00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,239 Speaker 4: tools you can use, a lot of which are free, 997 00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,200 Speaker 4: so the barrier for ENTR is super low. One thing 998 00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,360 Speaker 4: that I really like to just as like a starting 999 00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,000 Speaker 4: point if you're interested, is there's an app that I 1000 00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:53,960 Speaker 4: like to use, not sponsored, but I do want to 1001 00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:57,520 Speaker 4: plug it. It's called I Naturalist. A Naturalist is a 1002 00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:01,759 Speaker 4: cool app because it is a forum for a biodiversity discussion, 1003 00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:03,880 Speaker 4: and the way it works is you can use it 1004 00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,440 Speaker 4: on your phone to take pictures of bugs or plants 1005 00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,040 Speaker 4: or things you see when you go hiking, and it'll 1006 00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,759 Speaker 4: use its little AI database to try and identify that 1007 00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,040 Speaker 4: for you to get as close to genus and species 1008 00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,240 Speaker 4: as possible. And then what it does with that information 1009 00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,280 Speaker 4: is it then turns around and uses it to plot 1010 00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,719 Speaker 4: a biodiversity map. So like that's how we get information 1011 00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,120 Speaker 4: for like where are the cicadas this year, or where 1012 00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:27,560 Speaker 4: are the invasive species coming in or whatever. I'm not 1013 00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:29,399 Speaker 4: saying that's the only tool, but there are a lot 1014 00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,839 Speaker 4: of interesting free tools like that that can just get 1015 00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:33,839 Speaker 4: you a little bit more interested or provide you some 1016 00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:38,720 Speaker 4: more information about the world around us. So my advice 1017 00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,359 Speaker 4: right now is to just explore. That's really what I did, 1018 00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,120 Speaker 4: and that's how I ended up in this field to 1019 00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,240 Speaker 4: begin with. Is I took the time and I allowed 1020 00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,879 Speaker 4: myself the grace to explore something new. So that would 1021 00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:49,719 Speaker 4: be my recommendation. 1022 00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,960 Speaker 2: Yes, So it's been such a joy having you, and 1023 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,120 Speaker 2: I've also had a lot of memories come back as 1024 00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:59,280 Speaker 2: a kid of like being so fascinated by like fireflies. 1025 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:00,799 Speaker 1: It's the fireflies. 1026 00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:06,040 Speaker 2: I love spiders, but like there's just so many things 1027 00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:10,560 Speaker 2: to be fascinated with, to want to explore, to learn 1028 00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:14,680 Speaker 2: more about. So I am very glad we got to 1029 00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:18,640 Speaker 2: make this happen, and I hope that Yeah, well, we'll 1030 00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:20,520 Speaker 2: get to hang out, maybe you'll come back on. 1031 00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,440 Speaker 4: I would love to thank you for letting me talk 1032 00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,799 Speaker 4: about bugs. That's all I love to do. And I 1033 00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,320 Speaker 4: hope I answered most of those cicada questions. But of course, 1034 00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:30,640 Speaker 4: if you have any others, just please let me know. 1035 00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:31,800 Speaker 5: Of course. 1036 00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:36,560 Speaker 2: Oh yes, is there anything else you wanted to add 1037 00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:38,440 Speaker 2: before we wrap up here. 1038 00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:42,000 Speaker 3: I'll do a shameful plug if that's okay. 1039 00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:42,840 Speaker 5: Yeah. 1040 00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:47,200 Speaker 4: So I am building my you know, content creation and 1041 00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,919 Speaker 4: kind of social media presence right now if you will. 1042 00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,319 Speaker 4: But you can find me online at Emma the Entomologist, 1043 00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:58,480 Speaker 4: and I am kind of on every thing right now, Instagram, TikTok, LinkedIn. 1044 00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:02,719 Speaker 4: But other than that, again, thank you for letting me 1045 00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,680 Speaker 4: come on. It's always a joy. I hope maybe Samantha, 1046 00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,399 Speaker 4: that I gave you some fun facts or maybe didn't 1047 00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,320 Speaker 4: change your mind, but helped helped you appreciate cicadas a 1048 00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:11,920 Speaker 4: little more. 1049 00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:16,160 Speaker 1: I have learned so much and now will not use 1050 00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:19,239 Speaker 1: flash lights to find the spider eyes. But I will 1051 00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,680 Speaker 1: enjoy everything else, and then I need your numbers so 1052 00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:26,279 Speaker 1: I can call you about the mosquitoes and texts. Kidding 1053 00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,480 Speaker 1: that was that was the long time. That's why you're 1054 00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,360 Speaker 1: really here. No, but thank you so much because it 1055 00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,279 Speaker 1: was so much fun to learn about these insects and creatures. 1056 00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,239 Speaker 1: And I, yeah, I want to get to more conversations 1057 00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,120 Speaker 1: because I want to talk about We should talk more 1058 00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:44,680 Speaker 1: about butterflies, which you mentioned, because I do love butterfly Brady, 1059 00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:46,799 Speaker 1: as well as lightning bugs or where are they now? 1060 00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:51,120 Speaker 1: Why can't I find the lightning Boh No, that sounds 1061 00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,440 Speaker 1: like a sad one, doesn't it anyway? But thank you 1062 00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,799 Speaker 1: so I always started sad somehow anyway, But thank you 1063 00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,480 Speaker 1: so much. And now I will also stay away from 1064 00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:03,160 Speaker 1: Eligi for just this month, for the next two months. 1065 00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:04,680 Speaker 1: How many months are they gonna be around? 1066 00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,280 Speaker 7: About a month? Give it a month and then okay, 1067 00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:08,040 Speaker 7: give it a month. 1068 00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,000 Speaker 5: That's a great excuse to like be like I can't 1069 00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:13,000 Speaker 5: come home right now. 1070 00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:18,840 Speaker 1: Cicadas, the cicadas are coming. 1071 00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:22,560 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, thank you so much. If you would like 1072 00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,440 Speaker 2: to contact us, you can our email step and your 1073 00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,319 Speaker 2: mom stuff at iHeartMedia dot com. 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