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Speaker 1: Hello, They're happy Thursday, and welcome to another episode of

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Speaker 1: the Chuck Podcast. Here at Chuck podcast World Headquarters. The

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Speaker 1: Thursday recording means we are at the end of our

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Speaker 1: they've oh sixty or seventy other commitments that I feel

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Speaker 1: like I'm constantly juggling here. But these are good problems

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Speaker 1: is a tribute to the growth of the audience. You

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Speaker 1: guys have been out there. You guys have been terrific.

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Speaker 1: Got my newsphere show coming up later this week, Please

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Speaker 1: tune in for that. We'll have another another version of

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Speaker 1: a preview of campaign twenty twenty five. You know, it's interesting.

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Speaker 1: I can tell that Campaign twenty twenty five is not

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Speaker 1: grabbing folks. You know, is not the you know I

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Speaker 1: You should tune in. I'm going to be doing an

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Speaker 1: election live stream along with pretty much all of my

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Speaker 1: friends in the political data geek world. We're going to

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Speaker 1: be doing it in partnership with my friend Chris Eliza

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Speaker 1: Decision Desk HQ, which is quickly turning into the premier

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Speaker 1: organization for counting and calling elections these days, and so

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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to this live stream. But it was interesting.

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Speaker 1: I did my preview on substack, and you could just

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Speaker 1: sort of feel the And I think part of it

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Speaker 1: is there's actually no drama in the top tier part

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Speaker 1: here to tell you folks, New Jersey Governor. I think

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Speaker 1: it's got some drama to it. But for whatever reason,

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Speaker 1: I think the candidates are running. They're pretty normal politicians

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Speaker 1: that maybe it doesn't grab our attention, grab our attention

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Speaker 1: of a slower news cycle in Washington, which frankly shouldn't

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Speaker 1: the sense of urgency. We've got deadlines happening all over

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Speaker 1: The fact that that's expiring, that that isn't creating urgency

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Speaker 1: here is frankly a bit frustrating for someone like me

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Speaker 1: we're going nowhere in shutdown negotiations at this point. Number one,

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Speaker 1: it's a soft spine, if you will, and without without

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Speaker 1: The fact that there's not. There's just at this point

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Speaker 1: we're tiptoeing to a point where Democrats, frankly, probably a

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Speaker 1: I still think they can declare victory here. They still

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Speaker 1: have Donald Trump on the ropes with health care. He's

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Speaker 1: sort of rambling about, oh, you know, we've got to

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Speaker 1: because the only alternative that's affordable will deny most of

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Speaker 1: you insurance. Right. The only way you can create affordable

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Speaker 1: But as long and at this point, there is a

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Speaker 1: What's the why keep this shutdown? This isn't going to

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Speaker 1: Here just something to think about as this shutdown drags on,

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Speaker 1: don't even think he does the dictation into a into

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Speaker 1: there's always been an inherent laziness that weirdly has made me,

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Speaker 1: has given me a sense of hope, hope, hope's not

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Speaker 1: the wrong way, a sense of why I don't assume

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Speaker 1: the worst, because he's too lazy to pursue the worst course, right,

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Speaker 1: the worst course, you know, trying to consolidate power being

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Speaker 1: an authoritarian. There's actually some work that would have to

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Speaker 1: be done, right, you know, if he truly were desired

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Speaker 1: untiltalitarian authoritarian, you know, presidency, he'd be orchestrating a campaign

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Speaker 1: to amend the constitution to allow him to run again, right,

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Speaker 1: to come up with some sort of amendment that somehow

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Speaker 1: would allow him to run, but would bar Barack Obama

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Speaker 1: from running for a third term. Maybe it would be

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Speaker 1: you know, presidents can run for reelection if they don't

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Speaker 1: win reelection the first time, or some bizarre thing, right,

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Speaker 1: the non consecutive to sort of find a to create

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Speaker 1: a non consecutive term loophole. But the fact of the

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Speaker 1: matter is he's he and mag are too lazy to

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Speaker 1: pursue a constitutional option, right, So it's always at you know,

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Speaker 1: if they really you know, if there's an easy shortcut,

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Speaker 1: they'll try it. But if if it's a little more

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Speaker 1: legwork or if it's a little more effort, like writing

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Speaker 1: a health care plan. You know, he's always claimed he

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Speaker 1: wants to come up with a better healthcare plan, that

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Speaker 1: it would be easy, Well do it, write it. But

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Speaker 1: he's lazy, right, you know, he's not. You know, the

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Speaker 1: reason our democracy is, I think safer than some people think,

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Speaker 1: is because of how lazy he is. Just let's not

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Speaker 1: you know, overestimate you know something. He may have desires,

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Speaker 1: but he is too lazy to pursue some of those

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Speaker 1: some of those desires. But I want to go back

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Speaker 1: to this optimism and I want to go back to frankly,

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Speaker 1: a call to action. I think we've all you know,

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Speaker 1: there's one of the ways that some people have explained

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Speaker 1: Trump's success in twenty twenty four over Democrats has been

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Speaker 1: because he's on the right side of eighty twenty issues,

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Speaker 1: right like the border wasn't turned out to be an

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Speaker 1: eighty twenty issue. Transgender women in sports is an eighty

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Speaker 1: twenty issue, you know. So he's been on where Democrats

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Speaker 1: have had to explain exactly why they're on the side

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Speaker 1: of an issue that doesn't have popular support. And you

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Speaker 1: know the rule in politics if you're explaining you're losing.

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Speaker 1: Reforming this government and reforming our constitution is an eighty

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Speaker 1: twenty issue, folks. The lack of leadership in the general

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Speaker 1: common sense middle has been quite frustrating. It does not

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Speaker 1: exist in this current Congress. Nobody has stepped up to

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Speaker 1: be the leader of the common sense movement that says, hey,

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Speaker 1: what we've been doing these last decade is insanity. This

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Speaker 1: is crazy. This is no way to run a lemonade stand,

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Speaker 1: let alone the largest government in the on the globe.

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Speaker 1: And it's about time that we fixed the proverbial metaphorical

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Speaker 1: bridges and roads of the American democracy. Would you tell

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Speaker 1: folks about it? It's in eighty twelve. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that makes sense that we need these things, getting rid

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Speaker 1: of partisan primaries right like it is obvious. Now you've

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Speaker 1: got to connect these issues to people's day to day lives.

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Speaker 1: It can't just be an esoteric Hey, this is what

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Speaker 1: the founders would have wanted, right that that may appeal

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Speaker 1: to someone like me, but that's not going to appeal

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Speaker 1: to the to the everyday American who's not a political

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Speaker 1: or civics junkie, who's simply trying to make the best

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Speaker 1: of their lives, raise their kids, build a nest egg,

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Speaker 1: and and have a good life in this country. But

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Speaker 1: if you tell them that the current system is rigged

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Speaker 1: against them and you want to unrig the system, you

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Speaker 1: can't trust a part of politician to do this on

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Speaker 1: their own because either they don't have the power or

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Speaker 1: they are never going to be looking out for you.

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Speaker 1: They're going to be looking out for their self interests.

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Speaker 1: We need to prevent that. We need to create a structure.

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Speaker 1: We need to update the constitution to change our incentive structures.

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Speaker 1: You know, whether it's getting rid of partisan primaries, putting

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Speaker 1: in a campaign finance reform minimum, putting in age maximums

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Speaker 1: for serving in federal office, whether it's an appointment to

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court or running for the presidency. And yes,

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Speaker 1: all of those are going to have to be constitutional amendments.

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Speaker 1: If you have age minimums in the constitution, it means

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Speaker 1: you have age maximums. The US House was supposed to

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Speaker 1: expand with the population. It is stopped, but you're going

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Speaker 1: to have to force that into the constitution. There's an

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Speaker 1: easy metric to come up with on that point zero

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Speaker 1: zero zero one percent of the population. Boom done. You

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Speaker 1: have your baseline metric for that, and it will easily

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Speaker 1: decide how many congressional districts state. And oh, by the way,

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Speaker 1: the electoral college and the popular vote won't be as

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Speaker 1: easily split if you actually have a Congress and a

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Speaker 1: US House that fits the country. So if you already

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Speaker 1: have a group of voters that are willing to experiment

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Speaker 1: on the first African American president right where there was

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Speaker 1: some skepticism is this going to work? And they were

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Speaker 1: willing to do it, And then you have group of

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Speaker 1: voters that are willing to basically a failed celebrity, fake

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Speaker 1: billionaire as president and try him twice because they want

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Speaker 1: because they know the current system is broken. So this

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Speaker 1: is the good news. The voters already know the system

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Speaker 1: is broken. What we need is a good leader from

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Speaker 1: the common sense center that makes the case of, hey,

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Speaker 1: we can fix this. Are you tired of having to

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Speaker 1: just find a cult of personality that might be able

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Speaker 1: to be the bull in the china shop to shake

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Speaker 1: things up? Right? That is not how you run a country.

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Speaker 1: That may be how you run a small business. Right,

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Speaker 1: you get a better leader, and you might be able

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Speaker 1: to transform a small business. It might be a better

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Speaker 1: way to run a football team. You don't want a

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Speaker 1: democracy deciding deciding a game plan for a football game.

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Speaker 1: Your head coach does need to be an authoritarian of

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Speaker 1: some sorts, benevolent. I think a malevolent coach these days

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Speaker 1: doesn't work, but a benevolent authoritarian. But in this case,

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Speaker 1: just this isn't going to be a functional solution. The

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Speaker 1: functional solution to the dysfunction that we have is to

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Speaker 1: update the rules of our democracy, update the blueprint of

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Speaker 1: our democracy. That's the constitution, that's the leadership that is necessary.

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Speaker 1: And the fact is, and like I said, I just

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Speaker 1: wanted to channel. If you don't believe the public would

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Speaker 1: would support this, you haven't been paying attention. Right. The

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Speaker 1: public knows something's wrong, which is why they keep voting

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Speaker 1: against status quo. Whenever they get the chance, they keep

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Speaker 1: throwing people out. Okay, but in fairness to the general public,

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Speaker 1: they've got to live their own lives, and so you

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Speaker 1: need to If you lead them to the stream, they'll

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Speaker 1: drink the reform water. But someone's got to lead them

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Speaker 1: to the stream, and you've got to galvanize it. And

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Speaker 1: again we have seen it. That's why I began with

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Speaker 1: the shutdown and the lack of leadership from the Common

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Speaker 1: Sense Center here, and this is what needs to happen.

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Speaker 1: We're going to continue to sort of, you know, go

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Speaker 1: back and forth, like we've erected barriers in front of

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Speaker 1: the gutter. You know, they have little kids come up,

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Speaker 1: they erect the little barrier so that they don't have

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Speaker 1: to throw a gutter ball. So we always the system

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Speaker 1: does just enough to pure gutter balls presidencies, But we're

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Speaker 1: sort of our ball is slamming back and forth. If

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Speaker 1: we need is a bit a bit smoother set of leaders.

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Speaker 1: But we're not going to get it without an updated

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Speaker 1: structure that creates the incentives, that makes it so that

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Speaker 1: some some terrible leader doesn't take advantage of our weak system,

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Speaker 1: you know, whether it's for personal financial gain, or whether

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Speaker 1: it's for some other pet project that they might have

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Speaker 1: their own narcissism, or whatever it is. And right now

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Speaker 1: our system is weak enough and rickety enough where we've

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Speaker 1: allowed that to happen, and the focus needs to be

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Speaker 1: on preventing the next strump. In some ways, you know,

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Speaker 1: you can tie some things up with lawsuits and it

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Speaker 1: slows things down, it comes up the works, But the

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Speaker 1: real solution is going to be coming with fixing this

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Speaker 1: small d democratic infrastructure. But this lack of interest in

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Speaker 1: a political leader making this the platform to run for

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Speaker 1: national office to galvanize the country on this has been

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Speaker 1: disappointing to me that that somebody hasn't had the guts

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Speaker 1: to go down this road. But I actually think that

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Speaker 1: you have an electorate that is hungry for this. They

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Speaker 1: don't fully know what they're hungry for, they know what

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Speaker 1: they don't want to eat, but they're hungry for this.

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Speaker 1: You just have to make the case and you have

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Speaker 1: to connect it to hey, the shittiness that they feel

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Speaker 1: about how government's been and not helping them live their lives.

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Speaker 1: This better structure will create the We'll create the opportunity

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Speaker 1: so that government can be put to work to simply

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Speaker 1: help you live your life better. So, look, I'm often asked,

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Speaker 1: you know, sometimes I'm a bit pessimistic on here. You know,

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Speaker 1: give people something tangible to be hopeful on. The tangible

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Speaker 1: aspect is we have a hungry electorate that wants change,

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Speaker 1: wants reform. What we need is some leaders that have

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Speaker 1: the guts to pitch the reform in such a way

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Speaker 1: that it is not about themselves, that it is not

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Speaker 1: about Donald Trump alone. Okay, that is about you know,

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Speaker 1: how we end it up in this situation, how two

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Speaker 1: parties exploited Rickety rules to do put us in the

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Speaker 1: situation that we're in. Because I promise you, I know

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Speaker 1: there's some of my friends of the left and think,

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Speaker 1: stop both sidesing this, or some of my friends on

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Speaker 1: the right saying you're you're picking on Trump, You're not

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Speaker 1: doing you're not saying enough about how the left contributed

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Speaker 1: to this. The point is we're never going to get

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Speaker 1: anywhere if we just argue about who's more fault. That's

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Speaker 1: why we need a leader that comes from the eighty

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Speaker 1: This is an eighty twenty issue, fixing the infrastructure of

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Speaker 1: American democracy. It's an eighty twenty issue, folks. We just

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Speaker 1: need the right leader to grab this, grab this platform,

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Speaker 1: and run with him. The good news is this electorate

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Speaker 1: is hungry for it. They just haven't been given a

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Speaker 1: meal prepared for them in such a way that they're

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Speaker 1: ready to eat it. All right, Little Q and eight

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Speaker 1: DoD ask Chuck, this comes from Mike Salex. Uh. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if this is Mike P. From Salex, Iowa

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Speaker 1: or Mike P. Salex from Iowa. So as an Iowa guy,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to see if Salex it is. It's town,

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Speaker 1: So my apologies for not knowing Salex, Iowa. It's a

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Speaker 1: small city in Woodbury County near the Missouri River, so

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Speaker 1: the western side of the state. All right, I see

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Speaker 1: I see you there, I see you Salex, Iowa. So

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Speaker 1: it might be My apologies, little Uh. My eastern Iowa

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Speaker 1: geography is much better than my western Iowa geography. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: here's your question. Chuck Love the podcast never missed them.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious what you think would happen if Democrats took

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Speaker 1: back the House with a five to ten member advantage

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Speaker 1: and took the Senate fifty one to forty nine. You

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Speaker 1: think Dems would try and impeach Trump? Obviously they would

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Speaker 1: start huge amounts of oversight and slow down or completely

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Speaker 1: stops agenda. Just curious on your thoughts. Did that happened.

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Speaker 1: I do not think there will be a third impeachment, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I really don't. It just it is. I don't think

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Speaker 1: a Democrat will it will will instigate a third impeachment.

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Speaker 1: The only shot you would have at a third impeachment

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Speaker 1: of Trump is if Republicans in the Congress were the

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Speaker 1: ones to instigate it. For some reason, there's Democrats are

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Speaker 1: not going to start this because the minute it becomes partisan,

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Speaker 1: you're not going to get anywhere. You're going to get

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Speaker 1: a lot more. It's going to be a lot more fruitful, frankly,

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Speaker 1: to do the oversight, a lot more fruitful to force

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Speaker 1: this administration to tell to tell the country what it's doing,

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Speaker 1: whether it's on military campaigns like what's going on in Venezuela,

644
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Speaker 1: what they've been doing with USAID, what's been happening at

645
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Speaker 1: the Department of Education, what's been happening at HHS and

646
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Speaker 1: the CDC that is, you know, there's a lot of

647
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Speaker 1: you know, in some ways, impeachment would be a distraction

648
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Speaker 1: from all the work that in oversight, work that needs

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Speaker 1: to be done in a variety of other places. So

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Speaker 1: I think it would be politically it is. Look I

651
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Speaker 1: think Republicans in some places are going to use as

652
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Speaker 1: part of their count are messaging in the midterms that

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Speaker 1: Democrats just want control of Congress in order to impeach Trump,

654
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Speaker 1: because they're going to be trying to figure out how

655
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Speaker 1: to goose the Trump voter to show up for the midterms.

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Speaker 1: And so I do think the impeachment issue is going

657
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Speaker 1: to be somewhat salient in these campaigns, but mostly from

658
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Speaker 1: Republican campaigns. And you're going to have I think a

659
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Speaker 1: lot of Democrats running for the House and Senate saying no,

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Speaker 1: we're not going to pursue impeachment, and probably saying it

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Speaker 1: on the campaign drum. So I don't expect an impeachment.

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Speaker 1: I expect rigorous oversight. I go back to something I

663
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Speaker 1: hinted at in a previous episode, This is the bad

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Speaker 1: bet Corporate America's making this decision to essentially allow themselves

665
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Speaker 1: to be extorted by Trump, whether it's to give money

666
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Speaker 1: to the building. Again, I could make a patriotic case

667
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Speaker 1: for funding the building, and you know, and as the way,

668
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Speaker 1: presidential libraries are sort of kind of bipartisan money, people

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Speaker 1: will throw money at, you know, the Biden Library and

670
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Speaker 1: the Trump Library right to sort of claim that they're

671
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Speaker 1: balancing themselves out. I think all of these corporate entities,

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Speaker 1: whoever's given money to the inaugural fund, whoever's given money

673
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Speaker 1: to the to the building, these various crypto ventures, they're

674
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Speaker 1: all because while Trump may be able to use executive

675
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Speaker 1: privilege to prevent a lot of testimony from Trump appointed officials,

676
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Speaker 1: Corporate America is not going to be able to hide

677
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Speaker 1: from these subpoenas as well. And that's where I expect

678
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Speaker 1: there to be a lot of action and potentially a

679
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Speaker 1: lot of confessions, and where we'll find out exactly how

680
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Speaker 1: how Trump Trump World's extortionist tactics work, right, How does

681
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Speaker 1: it work? There's going to be corporate entities that, if

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Speaker 1: Democrats get control, that are going to be put in

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Speaker 1: some uncomfortable positions thanks to subpoenis that's where I expect

684
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Speaker 1: the most fruitful ways. And you may say, well, they'll

685
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Speaker 1: probably what gets uncovered. May say, hey, that's impeachable, of

686
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Speaker 1: which I would argue anything's impeachable. It's whatever a majority

687
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Speaker 1: of the House says, right it is. There's basically a similarity.

688
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Speaker 1: You know how they say grand jury's you know you

689
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 1: can get it. You can indict a ham sandwich. Well,

690
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Speaker 1: you can impeach a ham sandwich if a majority of

691
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Speaker 1: the House decides to impeach anam sandwich. So anything to

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Speaker 1: me and an impeachable offense, I think it goes into

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Speaker 1: what should be an impeachable offense on that front. All right.

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Speaker 1: Next question comes from Chris k out of South Carolina.

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Speaker 1: Chris K Jr. Don't want to leave that out. We

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Speaker 1: got it have we got it wrong when it comes

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Speaker 1: to how we compensate members of Congress and government officials. Lately,

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Speaker 1: I've been wondering if better pay might attract more serious,

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Speaker 1: qualified individuals but service. If term moments are the future,

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Speaker 1: who besides the wealthy can afford to pursue a short

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Speaker 1: lived political career. Would a higher salary make it more palatable?

702
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: Demanding stock trading and divesting from personal financial interests within

703
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Speaker 1: that helped shift the focus from personal enrichment to public service.

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Speaker 1: Civic duty may only go so far, go Hawkeyes. So look,

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Speaker 1: I've always been a bit more empathetic of members of

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Speaker 1: Congress and this salary. Right, I think you have to

707
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Speaker 1: do this one of two ways. You either have to

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Speaker 1: make it easier to be a member of Congress and

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Speaker 1: have essentially have two living conditions. Right, the idea that

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Speaker 1: members of Congress have decided they're going to sleep in

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Speaker 1: their office because they don't want to to pay extra

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Speaker 1: money for you know, a rental or something like this. Look,

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Speaker 1: I think we out of corporate housing for members of Congress.

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Speaker 1: So you know, we might have dormitories, right, you know,

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Speaker 1: high end dormitories, high in corporate housing. That was a

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Speaker 1: popular thing a decade or so ago. With remote stuff.

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Speaker 1: It's corporate housing is sort of not no, no, not

718
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Speaker 1: as prolific as it once was. There was used to

719
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Speaker 1: be quite a few corporate housing complexes here in DC.

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Speaker 1: There's still a fair number because you do get a

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Speaker 1: lot of temporary deployments in the government, particularly military or

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Speaker 1: defense contractors and things like that. But I think corporate

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Speaker 1: housing would be a more affordable way. You know, it's funny.

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Speaker 1: I I think congressional pensions. I I don't think members

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Speaker 1: of Congress should get a pension, but or if you

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Speaker 1: do get it, or it should be sort of if

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Speaker 1: you want the pension, then you've got a band stock

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Speaker 1: trading like. I think you could do something like that

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Speaker 1: for what it's worth, because once you've hit five, you

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Speaker 1: get this pension and it's you know, it's quite something.

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Speaker 1: I think staffers ought to be eligible for this stuff.

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Speaker 1: But I think you could have a conversation about elected

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Speaker 1: official But look if you if you could, if you

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Speaker 1: had corporate housing so that there wasn't this pressure to

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Speaker 1: have two locations, if you could have remote voting. And

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Speaker 1: I do think if we don't look the House of Representatives,

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Speaker 1: if we if it were, if it were right sized,

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Speaker 1: what with the ratio that it should be about, want

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Speaker 1: to say, one for every four and one thousand people,

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Speaker 1: we'd have about eight hundred somewhere between eight hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty nine hundred members of Congress eight hundred and eighty

742
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Speaker 1: one if you buy one calculation that I did, but

743
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Speaker 1: somewhere between eight fifty and eight ninety and I do

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Speaker 1: think that that would diversify the pool of people. It

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Speaker 1: would sort of make it a little more accessible to

746
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Speaker 1: get in if if you will, but you allowed people

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Speaker 1: to still could deal with their families, remote vote every

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Speaker 1: once in a while, have remote committee meetings. I do

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Speaker 1: think there should be some more flexibility where your main

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Speaker 1: office is your constituent's office and maybe you really only

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Speaker 1: have a small hideaway here in Congress. You know, there's

752
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Speaker 1: there's very The bottom line is I think it's Congressional

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00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: salaries are awfully low for have to have two households, right,

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Speaker 1: essentially two places to live. At one hundred and seventy

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars a year, that's you know, that's not yes,

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Speaker 1: you get all your expenses paid, your travel expenses. You

757
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Speaker 1: know you're likely eating for free things like that. You know,

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Speaker 1: if you told me we were going to have hard

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Speaker 1: term limits to you know, to your terms, and I

760
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Speaker 1: might be all in favor of doubling or tripling the

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Speaker 1: salaries because it's only a finite amount of time and

762
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Speaker 1: then definitely no pension on that if you did term limits.

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Speaker 1: So I think it really just depends on This goes

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Speaker 1: back to the need for a constitutional convention. I think

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Speaker 1: we would rethink all this if you will, I really do,

766
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Speaker 1: and I think it all needs to be thought about here.

767
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 1: But corporate housing could help, and I think that would

768
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Speaker 1: lower the barrier or entry, the financial barrier to entry

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Speaker 1: to some. I think that would help, making a little

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Speaker 1: more ease of participating in committee meetings, remotely voting from

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Speaker 1: your congressional district. You know, I might say you have

772
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Speaker 1: to vote from your congressional office. You couldn't just vote

773
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: from anywhere remotely, that you'd have only either vote in

774
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Speaker 1: the four of Congress or your vote from your official

775
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: district office. But I think there's a lot of room here,

776
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Speaker 1: which is why we need a constitutional convention, all right.

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Speaker 1: Next question comes from Greg from Alexandria, Virginia. You've talked

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Speaker 1: a lot about political reforms, yes, I have, But what

779
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Speaker 1: are your thoughts on the biggest reform of them all?

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Speaker 1: If you could waive a magic one, would you make

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Speaker 1: the US a parliamentary system where the executive branch is

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00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,959
Speaker 1: chosen by the majority party in Congress? Things raise high, Greg,

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Speaker 1: You know no, and I'll tell you why. I thought.

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Speaker 1: You know. One of the most compelling articles I've read

785
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Speaker 1: about the state of the American democracy was about a

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Speaker 1: month ago. I recommended it. If for some of you

787
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: may remember when I recommended this reading it. It was

788
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Speaker 1: in Politico magazine, right, and I don't even know if

789
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Speaker 1: they publish a hard copy, but it was under their

790
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Speaker 1: magazine section of their website. And it was a case

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Speaker 1: of sort of like you know, it was as a writer.

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Speaker 1: It was a political science professor was basically arguing that, hey,

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Speaker 1: you know, all we read about is all the ways

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Speaker 1: that were the democracy is eroding, but not explaining, like

795
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Speaker 1: you know, and comparing different things here with what to

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Speaker 1: happen in countries where the democracy failed. Right, Usually it's

797
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Speaker 1: a comparison to something that happened in Germany in the

798
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Speaker 1: nineteen twenties or thirties. But this person pointed out, hey,

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Speaker 1: take a look at the countries that didn't fall to

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Speaker 1: authoritarian fascism or authoritarian socialism versus the countries that did.

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Speaker 1: Parliamentary systems are very vulnerable to authoritarian populists. You can,

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Speaker 1: you can sort of, you can, you can you can

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Speaker 1: win with a minority. You know. The issue with a

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Speaker 1: parliamentary system and how it makes you, I think, more

805
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Speaker 1: vulnerable to an authoritarian is that you can win with

806
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Speaker 1: a minority, you know, with the largest minority, and then

807
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Speaker 1: cobble together a majority to hold power, you know, using

808
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Speaker 1: you know, just look at how net Nyahu has held power.

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Speaker 1: He's held power by cobbling together a majority in order

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Speaker 1: to get power in the Knesset even though none of

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Speaker 1: those parties have sort of majority support in the country, right,

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Speaker 1: And so you can you can sort of win small

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Speaker 1: d democratically and have a government that is immediately unpopular

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Speaker 1: with a majority of the country because it's not what

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Speaker 1: a majority of the country voted for. So, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's funny when I grew when I was growing up,

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Speaker 1: I grew up in a household that was I think

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Speaker 1: i've expressed this, that was, you know, somewhat divided politically.

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Speaker 1: So I grew up in a very bipartisan way, sort

820
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Speaker 1: of always being shown you know, well at this point

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Speaker 1: of view, that point of view, and I'm always was

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Speaker 1: very thankful of that. You know. My mother and father

823
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Speaker 1: in some ways were training me for this job, and

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Speaker 1: I don't think they fully do it, and my father

825
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Speaker 1: wasn't would occasionally make the argument in favor of a

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Speaker 1: parliamentary system and he was, you know, he was somebody

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Speaker 1: who was frustrated that Democrats always had control of Congress,

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Speaker 1: even though a majority of the country seemed to prefer

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Speaker 1: sort of you know, more center right politics, right, and

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Speaker 1: that was in an era, right we kept electing Republican

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Speaker 1: presidents because we had the assumption was, well, Democrats always

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Speaker 1: control Congress, and for like forty years it felt like

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Speaker 1: they did, right, that this was just sort of the

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Speaker 1: permanent majority, and that was the case. I mean in

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Speaker 1: the eighties, you know, we were in the thirty fifth,

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Speaker 1: thirty six, thirty seventh, thirty eight, forty, you know, a

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Speaker 1: year of democratic control of the House, and and the

838
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Speaker 1: six years that Republicans controlled the Senate in the eighties

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Speaker 1: at the time was sort of a I think the

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Speaker 1: first time that happened in a couple of decades. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, he would occasionally express interest in that. But

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Speaker 1: the older I've gotten and that that article really you know,

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Speaker 1: I could I could go back and forth. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's a I think the ideal system is more I'd

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Speaker 1: like to see a four party system in presidential runoffs.

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Speaker 1: I think the top four system is probably the best

847
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Speaker 1: of both worlds, where it forces some coalition building right

848
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Speaker 1: where you'd have the top two party vote gethers then

849
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Speaker 1: meet in a runoff so that somebody wins fifty percent

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Speaker 1: of the presidency. That I think that that's the system.

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Speaker 1: I would want four major parties, top four, you know,

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Speaker 1: and frankly, no other third part you know, no other

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Speaker 1: top four political parties, you know, no independence you'd have

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Speaker 1: to form your own party to get on the ballot.

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Speaker 1: That might be one reform I might include in here,

856
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: but top four party nominees, you know, essentially, you know,

857
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 1: can get major party status in any election cycle, and

858
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: the top two vote getters meet in the runoff, and

859
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 1: then they figure out in a democratic way with the voters,

860
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 1: rather than in a back room smoke filled way that

861
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 1: would happen in a parliamentary system whose voters you go

862
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: out after to build your coalition. I think you would

863
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: get the best of what parliamentary systems give you, which

864
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: is sort of a force of compromise coalition building without

865
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 1: the vulnerability of minority authoritarianism. Next question comes from David

866
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 1: in Highland Park. All right, hey, check, I'm a longtime

867
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: fan of yours. Thank you love the podcast. SAW sixty

868
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 1: minutes interview with Dana White on Sunday, and I couldn't

869
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 1: help but notice this a couple of weeks ago. Now

870
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: I'm catching up. I'm trying to catch up on some questions.

871
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: So my apology, but couldn't help but notice the softness

872
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:36,359
Speaker 1: of the questions as well as not asking once about

873
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: his efforts to change the Mohamad ali ak. Is this

874
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: a signal that sixty Minutes and CBS are transitioning to

875
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 1: a fox stout propaganda machine. Side note, I used to

876
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: be a sports reporter in Tallahassee and some of the

877
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 1: most intense football, baseball, and basketball rivalry games were between

878
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 1: Miami and FSU. Yes, sir, they are were, That's for sure.

879
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: I'd almost say the baseball games equal the intense hatred

880
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: between the two schools on the football field. In your mind,

881
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: who is Miami's most hated rival regardless of sport? Keep

882
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: making these podcasts. Your unique long term optimism means a

883
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: lot in these uncertain times. Kindly, David, thank you for that. Yes, look,

884
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 1: I think you have to realize that the Dana White

885
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: interview happened what like one week after Paramount announced a

886
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: massive investment in UFC rights. Right for paramount plus and

887
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 1: all of that. So I think, look, I think what's

888
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: fair to say is on what you're going to see

889
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,839
Speaker 1: with sixty and this, And I kind of almost want

890
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 1: to defend the promotion. As long as sixty minutes can do,

891
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 1: it's still going to devote a segment to something hard hitting.

892
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 1: You know, you can sort of, you know, you can

893
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 1: accept the premise that, hey, corporate overlords want to promote UFC,

894
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:59,919
Speaker 1: so here you go, and you can sort of suck

895
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,359
Speaker 1: up and accept it. And by the way, I would argue,

896
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 1: sixty minutes is always sort of have They've always preserved

897
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: one of their pieces for something soft, for sort of

898
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: a cultural icon. That and and those interviews never have

899
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 1: heard any questions. And you can go back to the

900
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 1: Mike Wallace days and know that those things existed, right

901
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: there was like they would almost have three types of segments,

902
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: and I suspect that because of the sixty minutes brand,

903
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,280
Speaker 1: you'll still have this, You'll have one that was basically

904
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 1: to service the football viewer, right, so they could they

905
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:38,959
Speaker 1: you know, with the sixty minutes is mostly a ratings

906
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: juggernaut thanks to football, right, you sort of can see

907
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,839
Speaker 1: the distinction between sixty minutes ratings in the spring versus

908
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 1: the fall. But there's always been sort of the tough,

909
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: hard hitting piece, the think piece, the analytical piece, and

910
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: then the soft piece, right the entertainment piece. And in sports,

911
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 1: they've always kind of been soft. So I understand, I'm

912
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: not I'm not disputing your observation here. I had the

913
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 1: same reaction, And I think Dana White in particular has

914
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: been a polarizing figure and probably deserves some questioning in

915
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:21,320
Speaker 1: a in a straight news setting, and you're not. And unfortunately,

916
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 1: it was pretty clear that in that first week of

917
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: Paramount Control, sixty wasn't going to do that. I'm guessing

918
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: there's you know, it's Dana White's not the prime minister

919
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: of a country, and he's not a US senator, and

920
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: he's not a governor. So it is it is, you know.

921
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 1: I also don't know if you know, if you're if

922
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 1: we're going to totally hammer them for this. Do I

923
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: wish they did a little accountability with him. I do

924
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: with Brian Gumble and real sports mean, but there's a

925
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: reason real sports existed even in the era of sixty minutes,

926
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,839
Speaker 1: because sixty minutes never did sports in a hard any way,

927
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: Real Sports and my friend Brian Gumble that was another story, right,

928
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 1: they'd have done a piece on Dana White that that

929
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 1: that would have that would have either included him or

930
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 1: not included him. But that might have been And by

931
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 1: the way, I miss Real Sports and Bryant. If anyone

932
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: gets this to you, man, just thinking about you, hang

933
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 1: hang in there. But that was you know, I think

934
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 1: Brian Gumbele is one of the last great sports journalists

935
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 1: on that on that on that run, if you will.

936
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: As for Miami's most hated rival, I don't hate Florida State.

937
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: And it's not just because I'm married to a Florida

938
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 1: State alum. This was true even before, Right, It's what

939
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 1: made my family accept the Florida State alum and why

940
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: her family accepted a Miami fan because it's a sibling.

941
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 1: Florida State has always been a sibling rivalry. The heated

942
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: rivalry for Miami's is basically for me and my childhood

943
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: is Notre Dame. But that was more of we were like,

944
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: screw Notre Dame. Right, We were not Notre Dame's biggest rival,

945
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 1: but we felt Notre Dame was ours. And it's the

946
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 1: same with Florida. So the hatred is for the Gators

947
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 1: and Notre Dame. But I'll even admit my hatred for

948
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: Notre Dame is softened with Marcus Freeman, as I just

949
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: think he's a stand up dude, and I think that

950
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 1: there's there's less arrogance to the team, Right, Lou Holtz

951
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 1: plus Notre Dame. I mean, you couldn't have come up

952
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 1: with an easier sort of villain to deal with. And oh,

953
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 1: by the way, Steve Spurrier and Florida combo platter was

954
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 1: a good set of villains for me. And throw an

955
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 1: urban Meyer and Florida was a good combo platter for that.

956
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 1: You know, there's never even been a coach pairing with

957
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 1: Florida State that says, oh, what a jerk coach? You know.

958
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 1: Do I think what Jimbo did to them was a

959
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 1: jerky move? Yes, I don't think he was a jerk

960
00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: coach on that front. So I think, Look, the ESPN

961
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 1: archives will tell you. I think who Miami's you know,

962
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: most hated rival is. For a certain generation of Miami fans,

963
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: it's those boys from South Bend, that's for sure. All Right,

964
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: I'm going to do one more question here and then

965
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 1: we'll just in college football. Gillian F. Frights, Hey, Chuck,

966
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: I was listening to your podcast on the treadmill this morning.

967
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 1: Had to write in, I share your belief that political

968
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 1: violence is no place in America, but I disagree that

969
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 1: it's equally fueled by all sides. I never said it

970
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 1: was equally fueled by all sides in reference. In fact,

971
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 1: that's been my frustration from my view, the rhetoric and

972
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 1: inaction on gun violence coming from the right epitomized by

973
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk's comments about accepting gun violence to protect the

974
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 1: Second Amendment, drive much of today's dangers. His racist and

975
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 1: homophomic remarks like saying black women lack the brain power

976
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 1: to be taken seriously make that hypocrisy even starker. As

977
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 1: a pre k teacher and mother of an adopted black daughter,

978
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 1: I find it infuriating, especially when those same voices hide

979
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: behind Christianity. I appreciate the pod Joan, I, I don't

980
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not gonna First of all, you're you're

981
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 1: your concern. I get it, and I and I share it.

982
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 1: My point on all this is trying to trying to

983
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 1: win the debate that one side does this more than

984
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 1: the other is an unwinnable debate because it just it's

985
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 1: no way to get anything done. Like you're going to

986
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 1: have to if you want to get a larger focus

987
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 1: on this issue, you're going to have to let someone think, well,

988
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 1: they're going more than halfway, so I'll meet them there

989
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 1: and vice versa. It just you sort of have to

990
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 1: you have to. It doesn't matter if it's thirty sixty

991
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 1: or sixty thirty. If everybody's going to come to the table,

992
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 1: there has to almost be this sort of Okay, we're

993
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 1: all going to admit some fault here, but we're all

994
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 1: secretly going to believe the other side's more at fault.

995
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 1: But we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna stop that part

996
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 1: of the argument and accept the premise that we've got

997
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 1: to turn the temperature down. So that's that's, you know,

998
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 1: my nuanced way of trying to go about this, like

999
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 1: trying to say, you know, trying to own a moment

1000
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 1: that's terrible, particularly when it you know, came from one side,

1001
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 1: you know, did come from from you know, this person

1002
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 1: was inspired. You know, there's enough political violence inspired by

1003
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 1: the left and the right to say there's a problem

1004
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 1: on both sides. Is it equal. It's never equal. There's

1005
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 1: moments in time that that one rises more than the other.

1006
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 1: It's never equal. But it is very reactionary and violence

1007
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 1: always is met with more violence, and so we have

1008
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: to stop. And we could probably agree that, you know,

1009
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 1: I do. I think Donald Trump is responsible for the atmosphere.

1010
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 1: I think he creates the political weather. That does not

1011
01:01:56,000 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 1: mean somebody that's inspired to violence on the left while

1012
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 1: due to the weather that Donald Trump is created, that

1013
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 1: that person that we should blame Trump for that person

1014
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 1: on the left's actions. No, the person on the left's

1015
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 1: actions are who responsible for that action? Anyway? I hope

1016
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 1: that gives a little more clarity to what the argument

1017
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 1: I'm trying to make and why it's not about whether

1018
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 1: I am not. And this is where people people sometimes

1019
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 1: with this both sides stuff it is they use it

1020
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 1: as a way to compartmentalize and ignore the times where

1021
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:41,439
Speaker 1: maybe an ally isn't behaving correctly. And I think that's

1022
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 1: that's our problem right now in our polarized system. The

1023
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 1: left doesn't police the left, and the right doesn't police

1024
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 1: the right. The right only wants to police the left.

1025
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 1: And the left only wants to police the right, and

1026
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 1: until we get out of that cycle, we're going to

1027
01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 1: be stuck in this place that we're stuck in. I'd

1028
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 1: be remiss if I didn't admit that I'm now two

1029
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 1: days removed from that eighteen inning game, and I still

1030
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 1: feel like I haven't recovered from enough sleep. I fell

1031
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 1: asleep between innings twelve. Sort of, I sort of woke

1032
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 1: up when Kershaw survived it got out of the inning.

1033
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 1: I didn't see him come in. I was like, oh,

1034
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 1: Kershaw's pitching, but he survived the inning. And then I

1035
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 1: kept watching that game, and you know, it was interesting.

1036
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 1: I was listening to somebody, somebody who talked about being

1037
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 1: at that game. You know, when you're at a game

1038
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 1: like that, you don't actually know some of the little

1039
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: things that's going on. I mean, I was mesmerized in

1040
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 1: the eighteenth by the fact that Yamamoto was warming up

1041
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 1: to come in in the nineteenth and Shane Bieber was

1042
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 1: stretching to get ready to warm up to come into

1043
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 1: the nineteenth. So as a as a baseball fan, I

1044
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 1: was sort of kind of rooting for the nineteenth inning,

1045
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 1: But then all of a sudden, it was two forty

1046
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 1: five e straight time, and I was like, man, I

1047
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 1: couldn't fall asleep. But anyway, it was just a mess

1048
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 1: on that front. But I know some of you have

1049
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 1: known me a long time agoing, aren't you a Rabbit

1050
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 1: Dodger fan? You know, aren't you excited about this? And

1051
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 1: you know the rise of the Gnats. My son's love

1052
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 1: of the Nats really has I've, you know, so the

1053
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 1: first time I've lived in a city with a major

1054
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 1: league team. So I'm I'm more Nats fan, you know,

1055
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 1: the Dodgers of the team of my youth. I still

1056
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 1: collect Dodger paraphernalia from my youth and even further back.

1057
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 1: You know, I'm a Roy Campanella collector because that was

1058
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 1: my dad's favorite player. I collect any cool, affordable pieces

1059
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 1: I can get, Jackie Robinson and Don Newcomb. I just

1060
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 1: love those, those those early Dodger players, and of course

1061
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 1: all things Sandy Kofax. You know, as Jewish Americans, we

1062
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 1: love our avatar in Sandy, if you will. So I

1063
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 1: still sort of glorify the past. My greatest memory as

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Speaker 1: a Dodger fans the eighty eight World Series, watching watching

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01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 1: the Dodgers win that World Series with my dad on

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01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:19,920
Speaker 1: his deathbed, but he did get to see the Dodgers

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Speaker 1: winning win that World Series from there, So it is

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01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 1: there is so much and so I will always root

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01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 1: for the Dodgers as my second team. But as I

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01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 1: learned during the NATS playoff run of the teams, whenever

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01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 1: they were matchup with the Dodgers, I wanted the Nets

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01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 1: to win. So I knew that the switch had been

1073
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 1: the switch had been complete. But wow, is it so

1074
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 1: much fun to watch Otani play baseball. I mean, it's

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01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 1: just unbelievable. Five walks, nine reached base nine times in

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01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 1: one game, four for four and it's not even the

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01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 1: best game that he played this postseason. It's just astonishing,

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01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 1: it is. It is awesome when great players are great

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Speaker 1: in big moments. It's just awesome, right, It's amazing when

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01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 1: they step up in great moments, right, Like it's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'll tell you when I finally sort of

1082
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 1: got over my sort of denial that Brady was great

1083
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 1: and it was the twenty eighth to three Super Bowl,

1084
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 1: You're like, the dude did it in a Super Bowl, right,

1085
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 1: something like that at a Super Bowl? Right? You just

1086
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 1: when great players are great in big moments. It's there's

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01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 1: nothing like it. It's just a joy to watch as

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Speaker 1: a sports fan, even if it's for a team you're

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Speaker 1: not rooting for. All right, let's talk about this weekend

1090
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 1: in college football, because guess what, I'm about to go

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01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 1: see my beloved Miami Hurricanes in person for the fourth

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01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 1: time this year. Went to the Notre Dame game, went

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Speaker 1: to the Florida game, went to the Florida State game,

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01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:48,400
Speaker 1: going to the SMU game. Close Listeners' podcast know I

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01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 1: now have a divided family. I my mother, my kid's grandmother,

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01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 1: tried to get the tried to get a Miami SMU

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01:06:56,880 --> 01:07:01,120
Speaker 1: half and half shirt and she but she's tried so far,

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01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:04,840
Speaker 1: claim that they don't have the copyrights to do that.

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01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 1: I'd love some advice from any of you on how

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Speaker 1: to do those divided loyalty shirts, because I can tell

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01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 1: you I have a mother and grandmother who would both

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01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 1: like to be wearing Miami some sort of joint Miami SMU.

1103
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 1: It's not the most requested dual jersey type things out there.

1104
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 1: They're probably there are Miami Florida State divided loyalties. Those exist.

1105
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:34,000
Speaker 1: I'm guessing the big Miami, Florida State SMU ones are

1106
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 1: harder to come by, but if anybody has advice on

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01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 1: how to do that, I would love to have it.

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Speaker 1: So I will be seeing SMU in person there. I'm

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01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:46,080
Speaker 1: not gonna lie little concerned, not as concerned as I

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01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 1: was going into the Louisville game. But this is Miami's

1111
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 1: first road game out of the UH, out of the

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01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:55,960
Speaker 1: state of Florida, believe it or not, first time they

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01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:58,200
Speaker 1: have traveled outside the state of Florida. This is a

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01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 1: small stadium, but this is going to be an excited

1115
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:04,240
Speaker 1: SMU fan base. It's a good thing for Miami that

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01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 1: this is a day game, not a night game. I

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01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 1: think this would be a much tougher atmosphere if this

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01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 1: were at night there. But I'm looking forward just my

1119
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:14,920
Speaker 1: first in person SMU football game, if you will, so

1120
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 1: looking forward to that. That should be fun. I do

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01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 1: wish SMU had won last week, because then I think

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01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 1: it would make this game a little bit bigger. The

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01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:24,559
Speaker 1: game would have probably been later in the afternoon, maybe

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01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:26,400
Speaker 1: even at night, and oh, by the way, game Day

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01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:28,760
Speaker 1: might have been there. In fact, I think game day.

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01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 1: Can you imagine, like they assumed Penn State. Ohio State

1127
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:35,200
Speaker 1: would be where they would go, or maybe Miami SMU.

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Speaker 1: I think they're out west, They're doing Utah, Cincinnati. Anyway,

1129
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:45,840
Speaker 1: we shall see. But I think the most important thing

1130
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 1: is is there any coach that gets fired this week

1131
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:53,839
Speaker 1: for performance? Or are we done with all the fired

1132
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:57,920
Speaker 1: coach games? Right? I guess the only coach that it

1133
01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 1: might be on the hot seat before the end of

1134
01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:02,680
Speaker 1: the season at this point is Luke Fickle at Wisconsin,

1135
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:05,479
Speaker 1: but he has you know, been shut out and back

1136
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 1: to back games. Frankly played a slightly better game against

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01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:12,760
Speaker 1: Oregon than I think many people expected last week. He's

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01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 1: probably the only in person, the only coach left that

1139
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:18,720
Speaker 1: could get at least in the power for that could

1140
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:25,559
Speaker 1: get candled. Though what happens if Brent Benables loses two

1141
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:28,160
Speaker 1: of the next three games just something to think about

1142
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:31,639
Speaker 1: in Oklahoma. But anyway, so we got the big Miami

1143
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 1: SMU game. Other than that, I think that you know

1144
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 1: the playoff implication games, Mimi SMU is one of them, right.

1145
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:41,640
Speaker 1: The third loss for SMU eliminates them, right, and they're

1146
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 1: basically they have a very narrow path at the ACC

1147
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 1: title game. But it does seem unreal. And I'm really curious, right,

1148
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:57,120
Speaker 1: three loss teams this week who maybe had visions of

1149
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:01,920
Speaker 1: making the playoff, how do they perform? Right? How does

1150
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:07,599
Speaker 1: an lsu perform? I just just very curious on those front. So, anyway,

1151
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:11,559
Speaker 1: the playoff oflmitigation games Vanderbilt Texas. Right, if Vanderbilt beats

1152
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:16,639
Speaker 1: Texas backup quarterbacks starting this week at Texas, what happens

1153
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:27,519
Speaker 1: if backup quarterback does well? Anyway? As a gambler, Texas underdog?

1154
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:29,640
Speaker 1: Are they an underdog? I think they're going to be

1155
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 1: a slight favored by game time and kickoff. Look, Vanderbilt

1156
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:35,439
Speaker 1: wins this one, and I think they lock a playoff spot.

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01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:39,720
Speaker 1: Vanderbilt loses this one and they may not, I don't

1158
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:41,720
Speaker 1: you know. Then they have to win out, and I

1159
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 1: do think if they went out, which would mean a

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01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:46,559
Speaker 1: victory over Tennessee they attended to, Vanderbilt does get into

1161
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:49,760
Speaker 1: the playoff, but nine and three Vanderbilt doesn't at this point.

1162
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:53,280
Speaker 1: So and certainly for Texas, this is a playoff elimination game,

1163
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 1: and they can. They have the schedule to win out.

1164
01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:57,479
Speaker 1: Now they have to play Georgia and A and M.

1165
01:10:57,680 --> 01:10:59,519
Speaker 1: Only anybody thinks they're going to win both those games.

1166
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:02,639
Speaker 1: But guess what, when they were preseason number one ranked

1167
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 1: team in the country, I think there was some assumption

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01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 1: that they they could and so in the Texas defense

1169
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 1: is pretty good. Point is Vanderbelt Texas. They gets a

1170
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:16,600
Speaker 1: playoff elimination game. The other playoff elimination game is probably

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma Tennessee. Certainly a third loss for either team, and

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01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:27,240
Speaker 1: that's it, right, That's that's done. There's no I don't

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01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:29,320
Speaker 1: think we're seeing a three loss team get into this

1174
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:32,640
Speaker 1: playoff win the first three loss team that isn't a

1175
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:35,519
Speaker 1: conference champion because we've had that with Clemson, but a

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01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:39,759
Speaker 1: three loss team at large that gets into the playoff,

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01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:42,599
Speaker 1: it will be an SEC team and it will be Alabama,

1178
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. Those are right now. I think the only

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01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 1: two programs that the ESPN Invitational because it is and

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01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:53,120
Speaker 1: I know, you know, my friends at ESPN don't like

1181
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 1: when I want I refer to that. But it's it's hard.

1182
01:11:57,200 --> 01:12:01,800
Speaker 1: You know, we know that that stuff matter. Okay, that

1183
01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:06,479
Speaker 1: stuff matters because if it were straight metrics, they'd tell

1184
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:08,880
Speaker 1: us it was straight metrics, and it is not right.

1185
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:12,320
Speaker 1: There's there's enough leeway there in order to find ways

1186
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:16,559
Speaker 1: to make sure you find ways to get bigger programs

1187
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:20,400
Speaker 1: into this thing. So sorry, Vanderbilt, you're not going to

1188
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:23,360
Speaker 1: be the first three loss SEC team to crack the playoffs.

1189
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:28,519
Speaker 1: So playoff elimination game there, playoff elimination game. Oklahoma Tennessee

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01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:35,320
Speaker 1: and technically I think Cincinnati Utah, USC Nebraska are both

1191
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:37,679
Speaker 1: playoff elimination games. But you have to believe that USC

1192
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:41,320
Speaker 1: Nebraska are are somehow realistic. If the winner of this

1193
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:44,679
Speaker 1: game could win, could win out now they both could.

1194
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:49,360
Speaker 1: And that's the point. Big ten and SEC you know,

1195
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 1: ten and two Big ten teams we're going to are

1196
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 1: going to get strong consideration, and ten and two SEC

1197
01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:57,160
Speaker 1: teams are almost all going to get in. And USC

1198
01:12:57,360 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 1: Nebraska still technically can both become ten and two teams.

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01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:03,280
Speaker 1: So loser, though, you know you're out. So that's why

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01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:07,280
Speaker 1: pay attention to that. And Cincinnati Utah, right, the loser

1201
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:09,200
Speaker 1: of this game is going to not be able to

1202
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:11,719
Speaker 1: get to that Big twelve title game, but the winner

1203
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:13,840
Speaker 1: is going to. I think the winner is still going

1204
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 1: to feel alive. So I have to say this is

1205
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 1: where I love the addition of this playoff and I'm

1206
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 1: all for making sixteen team shoot. I like the twenty

1207
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 1: four and twenty eight team idea that the big ten

1208
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 1: through a round. Actually I could get behind that idea

1209
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:31,280
Speaker 1: because I think you could actually make it a little

1210
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:34,639
Speaker 1: more metric based and keep the ESPN TV executives out

1211
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:38,200
Speaker 1: of the decision making process. But the point is this

1212
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 1: expanded playoff means we have essentially playoff games. Look, Miami,

1213
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:46,560
Speaker 1: I would argue, sorry Miami to say this. Do I

1214
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:48,640
Speaker 1: think at ten and too Miami team should have been

1215
01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:51,719
Speaker 1: invited last year? Yes, should attend into Miami Team probably

1216
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:56,599
Speaker 1: get invited this year? Yes? Will they? No? Not unless

1217
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:58,840
Speaker 1: it's Miami and Notre Dame for the last two slots,

1218
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:00,080
Speaker 1: and then they'd have to give it to my me

1219
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 1: since might be beat Notre Day. But I think Miami

1220
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:08,800
Speaker 1: has to operate on the one loss mindset and that

1221
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:12,040
Speaker 1: every game now is a playoff game. And this is

1222
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 1: the real test for me with Mario and this staff,

1223
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:18,000
Speaker 1: which is and this team is do you have these

1224
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:21,640
Speaker 1: team mentally prepared to realize that every game is an

1225
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:25,160
Speaker 1: elimination game going forward, there can't be any slip ups.

1226
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:29,639
Speaker 1: I was sorry to see Shannon Dawson take the bait

1227
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:35,160
Speaker 1: of some straightforward media questions about about run calls, the

1228
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:38,240
Speaker 1: play calling on the run side of things. Never let

1229
01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:41,040
Speaker 1: them see your sweat, Shannon, You've been pretty smart about

1230
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:43,800
Speaker 1: that going forward. Don't do it. Don't do it. You

1231
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:46,760
Speaker 1: never win a debate with crazy fan boards, So don't

1232
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 1: try to win the debate with fan boards simply saying, Hey,

1233
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:52,000
Speaker 1: you know, we've been pretty happy with our run game.

1234
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:54,759
Speaker 1: You could just say it. You know, we've got running

1235
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:57,559
Speaker 1: backs that know that are more comfortable running in those

1236
01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:00,400
Speaker 1: small A and B gaps. You know, we are better

1237
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:03,800
Speaker 1: ways to answer that question without getting defensive on the

1238
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:07,640
Speaker 1: play calls. And you know you do try to run outside, right,

1239
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:10,599
Speaker 1: That's what jet sweeps are for, and a few other things.

1240
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:17,880
Speaker 1: But I thought the defensive nature of your response, it

1241
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:21,320
Speaker 1: strikes me that you're feeling some pressure. I get it.

1242
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:23,760
Speaker 1: This is the big time. All of you are going

1243
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:33,240
Speaker 1: to feel pressure. I understand it. But always think about

1244
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:37,559
Speaker 1: your answer before you say it, especially in this media climate.

1245
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 1: I am happy, by the way, Coach Chris Ball, if

1246
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:41,719
Speaker 1: you would like to hire me for any media training

1247
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:44,760
Speaker 1: for any of your coaches, count me in for that.

1248
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:48,519
Speaker 1: All right, With that, I've gone ramblan long enough, by

1249
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:51,759
Speaker 1: the way, for you NFL gamblers out there, nine home dogs,

1250
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:55,840
Speaker 1: be careful out there, and with that, I'll see you

1251
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:56,240
Speaker 1: next week.