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Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess the question becomes, is there a direct

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Speaker 1: then we just stumbled into something else here on Cardinals Underground.

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Speaker 1: Paul CALVC, Darren Rman, Danny Serek. There really are just

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Speaker 1: two kinds of people in the world. Those who define

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Speaker 1: and then those who identify BTS the acronym as the

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Speaker 1: K pop group. Oh my goodness, I'm just Darren. Are

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Speaker 1: no new content from BTS. First of all, what's K pop?

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Speaker 1: I just know the term, I couldn't define it, Danny.

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Speaker 1: Danny is someone who went to her very first concert

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Speaker 1: and what was the group again? In Sync? In Sync?

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's essentially BTS. Right, it's a glorified, magnified

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Speaker 1: know what even if you hold the posters over your head,

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Speaker 1: good news is we had T shirts that we draw over,

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Speaker 1: so we were still showing our InSync love. I do

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Speaker 1: Paul was the one who was talking about BTS. I

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Speaker 1: the one who seems most distraught by their breakup to

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Speaker 1: They're an international phenomenon. I just sort of brought it up,

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Speaker 1: It's been a very interesting offseason, to say the least,

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Speaker 1: that Rodney Hudson is a new father? He did, Okay,

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Speaker 1: Maybe that makes somebody reass their profession, maybe considering the

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Speaker 1: See Danny, that's why he's senior writer Phrasy Cardinals dot com.

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Speaker 1: you know, there's how about a rapid fire session. How

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Speaker 1: about a rapid fire session you're at Cardinals Underground things

427
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Speaker 1: you learned or observed during the offseason, whether it was

428
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Speaker 1: OTA's whether it was mandatory mini camp, just biggest takeaways.

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Speaker 1: I'll get it started over here. You know what, how

430
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,359
Speaker 1: about number one throwing to number two? Hard not to

431
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:06,440
Speaker 1: notice Kyler Murray thrown to his bestie Hollywood Brown down

432
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:11,159
Speaker 1: the field chunk throws. Just you hear the anecdotes from coaches.

433
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Speaker 1: I think it was Cliff Kingsbury said, he already has

434
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Speaker 1: a bigual, the ability to you know, make eye contact

435
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Speaker 1: and hand signals. You know, this isn't like some first

436
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 1: round rookie receiver who comes in and it's gonna be

437
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Speaker 1: a process. No, Hollywood Brown is plug and play a

438
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Speaker 1: because he has three years in the league, be because

439
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 1: he's a former team at a Kyler Murray see because

440
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 1: they've been hanging out apparently a lot more than maybe

441
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Speaker 1: we even know in the Dallas area, working out together.

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Speaker 1: What was his comment as he was leaving the press conference,

443
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Speaker 1: Hollywood Brown, when someone asked him, what are your summer plans?

444
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be where Kyler is, right, He said that twice? Yeah,

445
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:47,200
Speaker 1: so so is Danny. So it's you're going to Dallas.

446
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Speaker 1: You like two days Darren. Wait, now, you're only going

447
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 1: to see your parents for two days? Did they know this? Yes,

448
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,160
Speaker 1: they are aware. Sure it's just your parents. Because he's

449
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:56,920
Speaker 1: kind of portraying you as a stalker. It's like a

450
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Speaker 1: Kyler stalker. You're going to the Dallas area and pursuit

451
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Speaker 1: of Kyler and Hollywood Brown. I just I can't believe

452
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Speaker 1: she's only going to go visit her family for two Okay,

453
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Speaker 1: hang on, I'm getting in Wednesday night and leaving Sunday. Wow,

454
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Speaker 1: three days? All right? Takeaways rapid fire. I would say

455
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Speaker 1: one of the things that really stuck with me, and

456
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Speaker 1: it's kind of under the radar. It might not be

457
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Speaker 1: the biggest thing, but it has resonated with me. The

458
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Speaker 1: other day when Cliff Kingsbury brought up un uh, what's

459
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 1: the word, not unprovoked but unexcused absence united unsolicited phone

460
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Speaker 1: calls when he mentioned that eno Benjamin is playing like

461
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Speaker 1: a starting running back. And you know, we've got a

462
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 1: running back room right now where I feel like every

463
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Speaker 1: time you turn around, they were signing somebody or adding somebody,

464
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 1: and it's pretty big. And now he's he's pumping up.

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Speaker 1: You know, Benjamin, who's been buried the last couple of

466
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Speaker 1: years in a lot of ways. So that really kind

467
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Speaker 1: of caught my ear the other day. I mean, we'll

468
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Speaker 1: see what happens when things actually happened. But I will

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Speaker 1: say this, although Daryl Williams has got all this experience,

470
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Speaker 1: and I think they're gonna need him, and I think

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Speaker 1: you said something. Did you say something to me the

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Speaker 1: other day, Paul about how big Daryl Williams is. Somebody

473
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Speaker 1: said something to me Jim monro He Actually, I mean

474
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Speaker 1: Daryl Williams. He's a big boy. And it makes me think, Okay,

475
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Speaker 1: if they're gonna do the one two punch they did

476
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Speaker 1: last year, it still makes more sense to me to

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Speaker 1: do Connor and Eno in the Chase Edmonds role and

478
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Speaker 1: then have Daryl Williams in case James Connor gets banged

479
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Speaker 1: up and you still have a big back you can

480
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Speaker 1: turn to, because they really when James Connor got banged

481
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 1: up last year, they were so excited to have that

482
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 1: big back and then he got hurt and I was like, oh,

483
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: we're kind of back to where we were where we

484
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Speaker 1: don't have that big back anymore. And Daryl Williams would

485
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Speaker 1: provide that. It looks like, but if eno Benjamin is

486
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Speaker 1: really playing like an RB, one doesn't the signing to

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Speaker 1: Daryl Williams late in the offseason belie that No, not

488
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Speaker 1: to me, because it gains are different backs. I think

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Speaker 1: it's because they're different backs, and because, with all due

490
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Speaker 1: respect to James Connor, he won't necessarily be healthy all

491
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Speaker 1: seventeen games, and you want to make sure you have

492
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Speaker 1: a guy and if you were able to say I haven't,

493
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Speaker 1: I don't know what it turned out to be, but

494
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Speaker 1: I'm guessing Darry Williams isn't playing for a real big contract.

495
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Speaker 1: So it's not like just because he's got a little

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Speaker 1: bit of experience, it doesn't mean you're paying him a

497
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Speaker 1: bunch of money. Because you know my hot take here

498
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 1: and Danny, you're looking at me right now, you're saying,

499
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Speaker 1: you know what I need. I need a polypickskin hot take.

500
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 1: My hot take is that the unsolicited part of you know,

501
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 1: Benjamin getting multiple shout outs this offseason is that a

502
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 1: pump and dump ploy sort of like the stock market.

503
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 1: We're gonna pump him off and then trade him away

504
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 1: because we have too many running backs in the room.

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Speaker 1: If you're gonna go with four, which was a number

506
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Speaker 1: of the head coach advanced how many running backs in

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Speaker 1: that room? Well, let's do the math. If James Conner

508
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Speaker 1: is a keeper, Daryl Williams is a keeper, you love

509
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Speaker 1: Jonathan Ward on special teams and what he can give you.

510
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Speaker 1: And now all of a sudden, you of a Kyante

511
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Speaker 1: Ingram who fits the bill in terms of a rookie

512
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Speaker 1: with potential and a contract. But you know, Benjamin is

513
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Speaker 1: in the final year of his rookie deal, I believe,

514
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 1: And so now all of a sudden, maybe we can

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Speaker 1: get something for Nino Benjamin, who does look good, there's

516
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: no denying it. And it may have taken him a

517
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Speaker 1: couple of years to maximize his NFL potential and at

518
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 1: least become a true professional. You know what, he's not

519
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: going to make the final cut the way we're forecasting.

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00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: Let's see if we can kind of pump up his

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Speaker 1: reputation and get something in return. Paul, I might. I

522
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Speaker 1: might have a bucket of water for your hot take.

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Speaker 1: Based on what Justin Pugh said on an upcoming edition

524
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Speaker 1: of the Dave Pass podcast, Okay I'm in the dun Week,

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Speaker 1: Go Ahead, he went asked about the running back position,

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Speaker 1: namely James Connor and Darryl Williams. He too, unsolicited brought

527
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Speaker 1: up Eno Benjamin and how he looks amazing out there.

528
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:56,400
Speaker 1: So it's not just Cliff. So your hot take speculation

529
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 1: justin would have to be in on it too. What

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00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: about the practice for count Ingram, Sure possible. I think that.

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Speaker 1: I think that's realistic. You keep the other four and

532
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: he's on the practice squad. Yeah, he was the nineteenth

533
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: running back taken in the draft, so I'm guessing there's

534
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: not a huge market for a team to put him

535
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Speaker 1: on their final fifty three count to Ingram unless he

536
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 1: really flashes in the preseason games. I mean, the way

537
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: the practice squads are, everybody's eligible for the practice squad

538
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: these days. Jonathan Warden theory could be on a practice

539
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: squad and you can bring him up. I mean, there's

540
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: a lot of different options there. I'm not saying you're

541
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: you're wrong, but you love those conspiracy That's why it's

542
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 1: a hot take. That's why it's you know, and and look,

543
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 1: you can make a case that you know was in

544
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: the head coach's doghouse at times earlier in his career,

545
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: So if he truly has grown up and matured and

546
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: mastered the playbook, and all of a sudden, he's not

547
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 1: a liability. Both maybe in terms of mental errors which

548
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 1: we'd heard in the past, and and he's bolstered his

549
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: pass pro because he's got to be able to protect

550
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: the quarterback, which was a deficiency in his game, and

551
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: he's improved there. Look, we know he's talent him with

552
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: a ball in his hands, and if he's in the

553
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,199
Speaker 1: best shape of his career, which he says he is,

554
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: then okay, I'll say that, Paul, Okay. I guess you

555
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: know we're always looking for reasons why these preseason games

556
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 1: are gonna be intriguing, whether you have three or four. Well,

557
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: that's one reason why we all want to see, you know, Benjamin,

558
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: what does he look like when we get to August.

559
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,239
Speaker 1: I mean, that's definitely something as someone who you know,

560
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: as Ron Wolfley said him and Dave pass Or leaving

561
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: the rest of us on the radio side behind to

562
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 1: go do TV. So for those of us who are

563
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 1: doing the radio preseason games, boom, I've got that marked down.

564
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Speaker 1: You're truly and Drew Stanton, there you go. What's your

565
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 1: big takeaway? Danny Mine You're not gonna like mine, Darren.

566
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: Mine is more off the field, and I feel like

567
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: more so than normal. It's been a lot of players

568
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: in their third and fourth year talking about the importance

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Speaker 1: of them stepping up as leaders this year, and I

570
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: think that comes a lot of how this team finished

571
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: last year, in that playoff performance in LA against the Rams.

572
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: We heard earlier in the offseason about Buddha Baker saying

573
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Speaker 1: this team got comfortable in the back half of the season.

574
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Speaker 1: We've heard from players like Isaiah Simmon saying he's at

575
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Speaker 1: a point where now he feels confident enough to say

576
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Speaker 1: something to J. J. Watt and he's not afraid to

577
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: hurt people's feelings. If that what he has to say, well,

578
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: better the team. We've heard from Zach Allen, who had

579
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: said in the past, if somebody asked me a question,

580
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: I would say, oh, go ask this, you know, veteran,

581
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: But now I realize that's me. I feel like, even

582
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: though last season is last season, it has still been

583
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Speaker 1: on the minds of these players, and I would hope

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00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: that this isn't just talk, because a lot of times

585
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: when we hear that, it's we have to be better

586
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: as a team. We've got a bunch of leaders. But

587
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: it feels like a lot of these players entering that third, fourth,

588
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: fifth year of their career are taking more accountability of

589
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: I need to step up and I need to be

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Speaker 1: better this year. You know. With that in mind, I

591
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: advanced this theory, and yes, I might take a beat

592
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Speaker 1: down in this because it's captain obvious el grande here.

593
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,959
Speaker 1: But jj Watt's staying healthy for all seventeen games. Okay,

594
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 1: now let me they're just I mean a minute here.

595
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Speaker 1: Is that a hot take? No, it's a theory here.

596
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: It's not just what he provides on the field, but

597
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: it's jj Watt the leader and what he does when

598
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Speaker 1: he's on the sideline. My analogy as you walk into

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Speaker 1: the biker bar and you got a badass assassin on

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Speaker 1: you on your side, you know, and all of a sudden,

601
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: you're you're a little tougher and your shoulders are thrown

602
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: back a little more, and you walk into the biker

603
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: bar because you got a tough guy on your side.

604
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: That feels like a first person account, by the way,

605
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: no need to share any sort of details. And with

606
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Speaker 1: jj Watt, look, hello, the seven games he played, what

607
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: was the Cardinals record again last year seven and l

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00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: thank you Danny. Two man game right here, here we

609
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: go as Darren is trying to digest this this captain

610
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: obvious take by yours, Julie, But if he can, he's

611
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: such a phenomenal leader. There he was addressing the team

612
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: at the end of mandatory minicamp. The head coach had

613
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: something to say. Jj Watt had something to say to everybody,

614
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: and you hear the reverence with which players speak of

615
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: jj Watt, even the it coach jokes, you know you

616
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: love the dead pan gallows humor from Cliff Kings where

617
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: he said, even I'm afraid of doctor j. J Watt.

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00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: That's the kind of command he respects in that locker room.

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Speaker 1: And I'm just thinking it be can stay healthy. Obviously

620
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: that's a benefit on the field, but it's all those

621
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: intangibles off the field. If indeed that's what this team

622
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: suffered from a year ago, that there, it's they're sort

623
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: of self reporting and self scouting this offseason. Here's what

624
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: happened at the end of last season for the second

625
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,959
Speaker 1: straight year. And I think jj Watt being healthy and

626
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: continuing to be that leader that goes a long way

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Speaker 1: I guess is my theory. I don't I don't disagree

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Speaker 1: with any of that. I mean, I think, first of all,

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Speaker 1: I think just mere stability helps. I mean, stability helps

630
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: in every facet of life. I think in a lot

631
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: of ways. But when you're talking about a football team

632
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: and injuries are always going to be part of it,

633
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: You're always gonna have injuries with which you have to deal.

634
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: But you know, having somebody like that such a big

635
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: personality to be able to be part of everything day

636
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: to day, you know, and I know he was around

637
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: a little bit when he was injured to be able

638
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: to give some of that. But the reality is is

639
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: if you're injured, you do kind of fall off the radar.

640
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter how big your personality is. So to

641
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: have him around, I think would would make a huge deal.

642
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: And when you start talking about the the fact beyond

643
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,719
Speaker 1: the leadership part, I think they need him on the

644
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: field as a player. I mean, if they could get

645
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: him healthy, if they can get Zach Allen healthy, who

646
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: was talking about how he basically was playing with no

647
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: ligaments in his ankle wow for most of the season

648
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: before he had the surgery. I mean, if those two

649
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: guys can become healthy and then stay healthy. I think

650
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: is a pretty big deal. Did Zach Allen declare himself

651
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: one hundred percent by the time camp rolls around? It

652
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: is that his expectation? Did he actually say that, because

653
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: to go from having basically no ligaments towards the end

654
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: of last season to be in one hundred percent in August?

655
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: Is that realistic? I'm pretty sure that is what he said.

656
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: And I think he said the Monday after that playoff

657
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: he was on the operating table. Yeah, it was real quick. Yeah,

658
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: that is true. That is true. So he's been rehabbing

659
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: all right. Other takeaways, I'll tell you what I like.

660
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: And I noticed a lot and both on the field

661
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: and then the two guys talking about each other, Number

662
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: two pushing number four and vice versa. Hollywood Brown, Rondel Moore.

663
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: Those two guys there, they're already getting questions, well, who's faster?

664
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: You know, the meeting all James, who runs a faster

665
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: forty and all that kind of said, well, boom, there's

666
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: that natural competition. It's not a like a year ago

667
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: when he started last season. I still think one of

668
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: the reasons Chandler Jones had the epic five sack game

669
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: is because he had another guy in that defensive room

670
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: who had one hundred career sacks, and Chandler Jones came

671
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: out and he said, you know what, Okay, it's like

672
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: so on not necessarily me against the Titans old line

673
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: and Taylor Luan, it's me against JJ Watt. We're going

674
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: to be pushing each other. And then when Watt went

675
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: down in week seven, you lost that. You know that

676
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: that friendly natural competition because if you were that elite

677
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: of an athlete, you're usually in the nine nine percentile

678
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: of being competitive. And so if a Rondale Moore and

679
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: Hollywood Brown are looking at each other and pushing each

680
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,719
Speaker 1: other all season long, I like that. I like the

681
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: potential there for those guys to reach, you know, maximize

682
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,760
Speaker 1: their ceiling in that way. And then when a DeAndre

683
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 1: Hopkins comes back, okay, look at all the weapons jab

684
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: It's like Cliff Kingsbury joked with immediately said, you know

685
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: what I need the three weeks away. I need to

686
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 1: get my mental health because when I come back and

687
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 1: de Hop's healthy, I'm gonna be getting yelled at as

688
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: a play caller from the guys who aren't getting the

689
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: ball mid season. I don't know a lot about Hollywood Brown,

690
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: but the little time we've had to interact with him,

691
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: it feels like he's got absolutely the right mentality. And

692
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: you know, Cliff Kingsbury was talking about how he was

693
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: a hard worker, but it feels like he genuinely is

694
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: like that. And I've often felt that way about Rondale Moore.

695
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: I love Rondale Moore's mentality and thought process, and I

696
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 1: love the fact that he was, quite frankly, probably a

697
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: little pissie last year that he didn't get to play

698
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: more and do more things. And I think that's a

699
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 1: good thing. And I do think Rondale Moore is primed

700
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: to to play very well this season. It's something else

701
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: I like of Hollywood Brown coming in as he's coming

702
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 1: from Baltimore where he was the number one receiver, and

703
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: everything that we have heard from him and seen on

704
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: the field does not give off that he is coming

705
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 1: in with that expectation. He is coming and said I'm

706
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: going to play wherever they need me. I end up

707
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: that players say that, but we even heard last year

708
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 1: in that wide receiver's room that not a lot of egos,

709
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: no divas, no you know, and people not complaining and

710
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,399
Speaker 1: everyone playing their role. And that's what I get from

711
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: Hollywood as well, is you know that when you're coming

712
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: to the Cardinals, d Hop is that number one threat.

713
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,919
Speaker 1: And so I still get that from Hollywood that he's

714
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: coming here to truly be that team player and not

715
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,879
Speaker 1: coming in with that mindsetup. I was number one on

716
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: my last team. I want to know everything coming to me.

717
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: I think that's important too. And the fact that he said,

718
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: you know, especially with de Hop out, he likes the

719
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: fact that he's going to take a lot of that

720
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 1: attention from the defenses, which is going to allow Rondale Moore,

721
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: aj Green, Antoine Wesley to step up. It was interesting

722
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: that he said that too. And when somebody said, okay,

723
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 1: what else besides you your ability to go deep? What

724
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: is one of your strengths And the first thing he

725
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: went to was being able to draw defenders so that

726
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: other people are open. I mean, you're right, people can

727
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: just say that stuff, but I mean that's usually not

728
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: someplace automatically a guy would go when it's unsolicited. Again,

729
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: but you know, that's that's what they're gonna need. They're

730
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: gonna need that early on and if he's cool with

731
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: that kind of deployment, I think that'll be big. Now.

732
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: I think Hollywood Brown has and I think he had

733
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: a good relationship with Lamar Jackson, but the fact that

734
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: he and Kyler are so tight, I don't. I think

735
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 1: there's there's going to be an ease and a comfort

736
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: in Hollywood's mind that I will end up getting mine

737
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: because Kyler is not going to leave me hanging out

738
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: to dry. So I'll do whatever it takes because I

739
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 1: know ultimately Kyler will set me up. And you saw

740
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: some of the next Gen stats that came out about

741
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: how Kyler Murray throws the best deep ball in the NFL,

742
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: the most accurate deep ball, and Lamar Jackson those same

743
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: ratings was near the bottom. So when it comes to

744
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: the deep pass, you got to figure Hollywood Brown's looking

745
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: forward to his new quarterback he knows very well and

746
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: getting some more of those those chunk throws. And I

747
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: vivilly remember on Draft night when he showed up on

748
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: the stage of the draft party after Michael Bidwell flew

749
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: him down from Las Vegas, and we're interviewing him and

750
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: he mentioned out of his own volition that he looks

751
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,919
Speaker 1: forward to being wide receiver too, that he looks forward

752
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: to not automatically having double coverage or bracket coverage with

753
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 1: the safety shading over the top to his side. That'll

754
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 1: be d Hop starting in week seven, and I think

755
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: the Cardinals firmly believe, Okay, what sort of potential can

756
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: we still unlock in a Hollywood Brown? Because of that,

757
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: he's going to have a true number one all Pro

758
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: receiver opposite of him, something he never had in Baltimore,

759
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: and a much different offensive system. Baltimore's run first, second,

760
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: and third, and then the fourth and fifth options are

761
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 1: the tight ends, so it's a very different offensive system.

762
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: So there's that in there as well. And then you

763
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: know you have you have this offense that once you

764
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: get d Hop back, and then okay, what exactly was

765
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 1: zach Ertz and Trey McBride, And then there's Max Williams.

766
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: And this is where I'm trending on this because Craig

767
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: Griolu noticed during the open portion of the second mandatory

768
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: mini camp session that Max Williams is actually running some

769
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: routes and catching some balls. So we have no idea.

770
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 1: There's another storyline that without an answer, we have no clue,

771
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: and I think what was the Cliff Kingsbury's sponsible as well.

772
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: We'll know the answer to Max Williams ever a much

773
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: better idea by the end of camp. So I don't

774
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: know if that means that he's tracking for Pop. I'm

775
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: guessing that's a possibility. What exactly is the expectation for

776
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: Max Williams Because once again, maybe the most telling comment

777
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: from any player the entire offseason was when Trey McBride

778
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 1: said that Cliff Kingsbury wants to disguise the offense a

779
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: little bit more when talking about why he was the

780
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: second round picks a tight end for the Arizona Cardinals,

781
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: and he probably said a little too much. But Max

782
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,240
Speaker 1: Williams is a guy that would obviously check that box

783
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:11,919
Speaker 1: if he's healthy. When is it going to be healthy?

784
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 1: But we don't know. I think that's the only clear

785
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 1: thing we have from the Max Williams injury recovery update

786
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: is the further we have gotten along through the off

787
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: season until we get to the end of training camp,

788
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 1: like we have heard, it just makes a lot more

789
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: sense every day. When a lot of us were a

790
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 1: little shocked at that draft pick for Trey McBride. It

791
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: seems to make a little more sense now, no doubt,

792
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 1: no doubt. And by the way, if you're looking for

793
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: a story, Darren an easy cardinal style, I appreciate that.

794
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: What do you got for me? When we had Trace

795
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: McSorley in for what was? I forget what it was

796
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,240
Speaker 1: exactly had Trace McSorley in here. He's the one quarterback

797
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: on this team was thrown an NFL touchdown pass to

798
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 1: Hollywood Brown because he filled in as QB three in

799
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: an emergency situation. Lamar Jackson two years ago had COVID

800
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 1: and then RG three went and he came in and

801
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 1: he threw a seventy seven yard touchdown pass to Hollywood Brown.

802
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: If there's one guy who knows about Hollywood Brown, it

803
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 1: is Trace McSorley, the former Ravens backup quarterback. And he

804
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 1: verified your point that Hollywood Brown is a hell of

805
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 1: a practice player. He's really competitive. He's a grinder. You know,

806
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: as Cliff Kingsbury said, you would think with a nickname

807
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: like Hollywood he'd be more of a diva. But no,

808
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: I think his joke was, what was it, Yeah, he

809
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 1: think he'd be more chill, chilling, But but Again, that's

810
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: the funny part about the whole Hollywood thing is because

811
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 1: it references his hometown to Hollywood, Florida, not Hollywood, California. Yeah,

812
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 1: so that in personality necessarily. Yeah, So anything else? Any

813
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:45,399
Speaker 1: other takeaways from the offseason? Zavn Collins and the possibility

814
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: he might not call the plays or be a traditional

815
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 1: Mike linebacker. That's per zaving Collins himself sharing that with

816
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: the media. That definitely was an eye opener, was it not?

817
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,959
Speaker 1: And just the way that it wasn't as much as

818
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons as much work as Simmons was getting with

819
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 1: the safeties, but during the open portion of whether it

820
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: was Mini camp OTAs, we did see some of Collins

821
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:09,760
Speaker 1: working with outside linebackers as well. I think there's again

822
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of things that could be

823
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: in play. Would I be surprised if you know Zaven

824
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: Collins wasn't the one calling the defense? No, I don't

825
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 1: know if it's that huge of a deal. As long

826
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: as you got somebody who does it right, does it

827
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 1: really matter who's calling it? Not? To me? Now, I

828
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 1: understand why that position normally would because of how they

829
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: would look at it. But again, It's about putting these

830
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: guys in the best positions to succeed. And if that

831
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,240
Speaker 1: means somebody else on the defense is calling out signals

832
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 1: or calling out part of the signals, you know, that's

833
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 1: fine with me. I'm with you on that. And I

834
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: got into this with Wolf on the air about whether

835
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: is it a fistfight that's a big deal or not.

836
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 1: I'm smart enough not to go there. I don't know much,

837
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 1: but I know that much. But Zaven Collins has to

838
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: be on the field. Yes, if he's on the field

839
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 1: and he's not necessarily calling the plays or making the checks,

840
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily care about that. It's year or two.

841
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: We got virtually no meaningful defensive last year. Stall process. Yes,

842
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: he thinks Savan Collins should be ready to go, should

843
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 1: be ready to call the defense right here, right now,

844
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 1: coming off his second off season. And if he's not,

845
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: have him do it anyway? Is that Wolf? Well, that

846
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: was my question of Wolf was, so what do you do?

847
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: What if you're advanced, Joseph, what do you do? Do

848
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: you do you force him to learn on the job

849
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: and suffer the consequences, the risk reward of already starting

850
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: a season without DeAndre Hopkins, and now maybe without a

851
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: Rodney Hudson, you've got our ultra tough opening set of

852
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: games between Kansas City, a road trip to the Raiders,

853
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: a playoff team, and then back home against the Super

854
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 1: Bowl champions and everybody. Now we know the stat teams

855
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: that start owing two less than ten percent of those

856
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: teams make the playoffs. Now, that wasn't a sixteen game

857
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: regular season. I don't know what it means for a

858
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: seventeen but the start of the season is going to

859
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: be critical as poor as the end of seasons have

860
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,280
Speaker 1: been the last couple of years. So do you really

861
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: take the risk of saying, yeah, we can live with

862
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: mistakes by our second year, essentially a rookie middle linebacker

863
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 1: Zaven Collins, No, I don't think you can. So it's

864
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: two different there's two different sets of expectations here. One eventually,

865
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 1: hopefully he's going to be the mic linebacker calling the plays,

866
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 1: making the checks. But first and foremost, he's got to

867
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: be on the field. He's got to be a playmaker,

868
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 1: he's got to be a difference maker. So if it's

869
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons calling the defense, Buddha Baker calling the defense,

870
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: Nick Vigil calling the defense as long as the sixteenth

871
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: pick overall last years on that field and making plays.

872
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: To me, that is far and away the most critical component.

873
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: I agree. And if we are all under the assumption

874
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 1: that at this moment, Zaven Collins is not ready to

875
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 1: call the defense, I wonder if he is going to

876
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: be one of the very few, if maybe the only,

877
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 1: starter we will see playing significant time in the three

878
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: preseason games, and maybe that is the experience they try

879
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: to get him, and maybe we're going to see a

880
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 1: lot of Zaven Collins in the preseason as the play

881
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 1: caller of the defense to help this coaching staff decide

882
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: whether or not he is ready. See that is something

883
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: that I would do. I would say, you know what,

884
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:01,919
Speaker 1: I don't care if you're going to be the start

885
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 1: in the regular season, I'm gonna I'm gonna make you

886
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: make all the play calls when you're in there on

887
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: defense in the preseason and we're going to see how

888
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: this works. And that makes sense to me. Now, if

889
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 1: you get to the regular season and nobody's comfortable in

890
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: that thing, you go on what other whatever direction. I

891
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: don't disagree with Wolf with the idea that you want

892
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: Collins to call it if if it's possible, but cutting

893
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: your nose despite your face seems kind of dumb to me.

894
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: He feels like Zaving Collins should be ready right now

895
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: that he's had ample opportunity just with the off seasons

896
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: of me and being in that and I hate to

897
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 1: be I hate to like Wolf's not here to defend himself,

898
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,399
Speaker 1: so that's not fair. But but but I'm gonna go after

899
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: him anyways. And it's and it's one of those things

900
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 1: where it's like, yeah, it should, but when I hear that,

901
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: that makes it sound to me like then it's then

902
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 1: if he's not, he's a bust. And I don't know

903
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: if you should be. I don't know if you should

904
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: be going down that road. And he didn't say that, Um,

905
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: I know, I said that's what he implied. Yeah, And

906
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,919
Speaker 1: I'm just using argument as a lot of people feel

907
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: that way. I'm just saying there's there's a huge faction

908
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 1: of people who believe that, and I'm sure there's people

909
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: in the building that believe he should be ready absolutely,

910
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: So that obviously is a huge question mark getting into

911
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,879
Speaker 1: training camp, anything else, anything else we should be looking

912
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: at in terms of I mean let's just cut right

913
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: to the chase. When it comes to Rodney Hudson, his

914
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,919
Speaker 1: Aban Collins. Okay, all this in your own training camp,

915
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: and how are they going to use DeAndre Hopkins, etc.

916
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: Is Max William's going to be available or not? And

917
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: when aren't I will Kyler Murray be there in training camp?

918
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: We don't have an answer to that, do we, Danny,

919
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 1: We do not no, but my gut would say yes,

920
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 1: I would. I would imagine that this team is Kyler

921
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: Murray's team, and the front office staff here are working

922
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: to get that deal done. Cliff Kingsbury even said in

923
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: his press or this week that he's praying the deal

924
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: gets done before a training camp, not necessarily implying that

925
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray would sit out. I think just to have

926
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: that storyline done and to know that is completed, I

927
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 1: would imagine that the deal would get done before training camp.

928
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 1: That's just my gut. That's not based on any secret

929
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: knowledge that I have, but that's just my gut. That's

930
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: that's been my thought for a long time. I mean,

931
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: you know, we don't First of all, we don't know

932
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: what's going to happen for sure. If the contract isn't

933
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: done by training camp, although I'm assuming Cliff Kingsbury is saying,

934
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: I'm praying that this deal gets done before training camp,

935
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: just to have all the drama out of the way,

936
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: and not necessarily because Kyler has told him, Look, if

937
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: I don't have this done, you're not going to see me.

938
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,240
Speaker 1: We haven't had a chance to ask Kyler. He hasn't.

939
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: He talked one time this offseason. It was in or

940
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: took questions one time this offseason, and that was in

941
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: March when he was doing some community stuff. He did

942
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: not do any any any press conferences through the team,

943
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: and so we haven't had a chance to talk to

944
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: him about it. But I do would I be shocked

945
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,439
Speaker 1: some of these There's there's certain rules in there, like

946
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: he can only he can only miss. Like it's like

947
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: I forget what it was four days or eight days

948
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: or something of training camp before he could potentially lose

949
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: an accrude season or something. There's some there's some weird

950
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: rule in there, I think on his rookie contract or

951
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: whatever that I don't know if he can necessarily hold

952
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 1: out a certain a huge amount of time. But and

953
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 1: I'd have to again look up the details. I do,

954
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 1: but I again, I do think they're going to get

955
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: something done. I think they're going to get something done.

956
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 1: If not right you know, before training camp, then right

957
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 1: after it starts or whatever, there's going to be an urgency.

958
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:37,479
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's going to be any time soon,

959
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: because you know, this is the only time for Michael

960
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: Bidwell and Steve Kime to get their vacations in. So

961
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's going to be like constant

962
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: communication over like the next month. Well maybe not a month,

963
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: but three weeks maybe sure. And I have to take

964
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: your vacation into consideration, Darren, who would be writing that story.

965
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: Who's going to give the multimedia coverage? Aaron Urbans on vacations,

966
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 1: So obviously that could hold up a potential franchise record contract.

967
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 1: I know, I know everybody's really surprised to hear that.

968
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: My computer pretty much goes with me wherever I am.

969
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 1: You don't say, but you know the fact Kyler did

970
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: not do an official press conference throughout the entire offseason,

971
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,879
Speaker 1: the only NFL quarterback not to do that. It does

972
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 1: create a vacuum of information. So we've only been able

973
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 1: to go on other reports from third parties from the

974
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: Michael Irvans on NFL Network saying, I sat next to

975
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: Kyler during a Mavericks playoff game and he said he

976
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: ain't showing up without a contract unless he gets paid.

977
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: To even Mike Garafolo, what was the sequence? So the

978
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 1: first week OTAs Kyler miss second week he was in attendance,

979
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: that was the big news. Third week he missed, and

980
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: then he was in attendance for mandatory minicamp. Right, if

981
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: we're scoring at home, that's how it played out, correct, Yes,

982
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: So when he showed up for the second week OTAs

983
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 1: his first appearance, I still go back to what Mike

984
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: Garofolo report on NFL Network. Now, he did not tweet

985
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: this out, but he said it on air as part

986
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: of their NFL Now coverage, and he said Kyler showed

987
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: up in a sign of good faith because they are

988
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: not close to a deal now, this is three weeks ago.

989
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: The hope is something will get done over the summer,

990
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:17,240
Speaker 1: and so that seems to indicate there's definitely room for progress,

991
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: that progress needs to be made. Danny, I'm sure it's

992
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: very likely that they were not close three weeks ago,

993
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: but things happen very quickly, and things can change on

994
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 1: a dime in this industry, And the timing is now right,

995
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 1: not only from what we have heard from Steve Kimes

996
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 1: since Janny were a February, but from what we've seen

997
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: around the league of these quarterbacks getting these new deals.

998
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 1: It's in the late summer because when the season ends,

999
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: you are analyzing everything you've got, combine Senior Bowl Draft,

1000
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 1: rookie manning camps, so much going on around the league.

1001
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: This is the time when these quarterbacks get new deals.

1002
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,240
Speaker 1: And that's what we've heard from general manager Steve Kimes.

1003
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,439
Speaker 1: So now the timing is right. So I think it's

1004
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: likely three weeks ago, four weeks ago when that was

1005
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: shared in the or content that it's quite possible they

1006
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 1: were not close on a deal yet. But things can

1007
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: change rather quickly. I would also say that, and a

1008
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: quarterback contract is more complicated. There's more things you have

1009
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,800
Speaker 1: to figure out in terms of guarantees and whatever, roster

1010
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:21,280
Speaker 1: bonuses or you know, those things of those nature. Maybe

1011
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: even money put into offseason work so you make sure

1012
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: that he's around. I don't know, but I will say this, Ultimately,

1013
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: it's about the dollars and just the total dollars and

1014
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: what you're paying me and what you're guarantee me. And

1015
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:39,839
Speaker 1: that's that's usually not super complicated. That's what that is

1016
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: is is one side wants this, the other side wants this.

1017
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: That's not the problem or the weight comes with neither

1018
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: side wanting to budge or whatever. It's not that it's

1019
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 1: complicated nuance that you have to get done. It's just

1020
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: one side has to give or both sides have to give,

1021
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 1: and that's what's going to take long. So if we

1022
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,959
Speaker 1: go for a long time, it's because one side wants

1023
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: to pay X and one side wants to get why.

1024
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 1: I have a question for you, Darren. I'm listening in

1025
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 1: terms of you know, cap space and all of that.

1026
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 1: If nothing happens with Ronnie Hudson in the sense of

1027
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: he is not on this team, he was the only

1028
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 1: offensive lineman under contract you next year, right, the fact

1029
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: that if he's not playing, this team will have five

1030
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: offensive lineman contracts to give out. Is that going to

1031
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 1: somehow play a role in Kyler Murray how much money

1032
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: he gets or how it's distributed. No, I don't think.

1033
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: I mean, ultimately, I think they will, And I think

1034
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: I've mentioned this before, Like the extension like Patrick Mahomes got,

1035
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: for instance, or Josh Allen. The cap numbers for the

1036
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: first couple of years have been pretty low. They balloon

1037
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 1: up into like the third year. So my guess is

1038
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: if you did an extension, you'd redo this year and

1039
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: the cap number, I forget what his cap number is

1040
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 1: this year might even go down a little bit. You

1041
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: definitely get down next year, which is somewhere in the

1042
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 1: range of twenty four twenty five million dollars right now,

1043
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 1: because that's what his salary is. You'd probably lower that

1044
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: and then it would balloon up in twenty five. Would

1045
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: that be? So ultimately you're you're already trying to structure

1046
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:21,839
Speaker 1: this so you have some more room the next couple

1047
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 1: of years. Anyways. See, and that's where I was going

1048
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 1: in the structure that might be holding it up. Now,

1049
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: do you have the potential that Deshaun Watson deal fully

1050
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,359
Speaker 1: guaranteed being sort of a hand grenade in the middle

1051
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,919
Speaker 1: of this whole thing? Could that be a complicating sure

1052
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: for sure, because now all of a sudden, Team Kyler

1053
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: is citing that as a precedent, so that that could

1054
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:42,359
Speaker 1: be a complication. But beyond that, to Darren's point, there's

1055
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: the what, and there's the how. There's what how much

1056
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 1: you're gonna and then there's how are you going to

1057
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 1: structure it right? And and think about it. If you're

1058
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:53,280
Speaker 1: still in the market for a corner, if you're still

1059
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Speaker 1: potentially in the market for an edge rusher, if you're

1060
00:52:56,280 --> 00:53:00,359
Speaker 1: still potentially in the market for a starting center, those

1061
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Speaker 1: are all things you have to factor into this year's

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00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: cap Hence, how does that impact Kyler's deal? So maybe

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Speaker 1: you truly are waiting for the Kyler contract to be

1064
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 1: the last piece of the puzzle because you still do

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Speaker 1: have other questions that have to be answered in players

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Speaker 1: to be signed. My argument would be, right now, they've

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Speaker 1: got enough cap space to sign what they're going to

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Speaker 1: end up signing for those spots, especially with the Jordan

1069
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: Phillips ten million dollars post tune first. Yeah, they've got

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00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: enough room to maneuver. And again, I would think that

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Speaker 1: any deal that you would do with Kyler, whether you

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Speaker 1: did it first or last, is probably going to lower

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Speaker 1: his cap number this year. So you're only going to

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Speaker 1: buy a little bit of room. You're not gonna it's

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Speaker 1: never gonna be structured in such a way. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the cap is the cap, so it doesn't matter if

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Speaker 1: you go first or last. His HiT's gonna be what

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00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: it's going to be, and you've got to be careful

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Speaker 1: about that. But you also have some core pieces that

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Speaker 1: hey in astute move to extend them now at dj

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Speaker 1: Emprey's Jayalen Thompson, a Byron Murphy Junior, there's some core

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00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 1: pieces that could be in line for a contract extension

1083
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 1: sooner than later. If you're trying to buy low sell.

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00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,720
Speaker 1: I these are guys with potential who could really break

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Speaker 1: out this year, especially a Jaalen Thompson and a Byron

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Speaker 1: Murphy Junior. I mean again, those are these are all

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00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 1: things that they need to think about. And I some

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00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: of this also has to do again part of the issue.

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Speaker 1: You know, you start talking about we can talk about

1090
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:30,720
Speaker 1: cap numbers all the day, but that's that's accounting. Um.

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Speaker 1: When you're talking about giving out new contracts, a new

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00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: contract extension to Kyler with a giant bonus, giant bonuses

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00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: potentially to those other guys you mentioned, that's all real

1094
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: money and uh and that's all now real money that's

1095
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 1: going to be coming out in an economy that you

1096
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: know sure, even even owners have stocks and stuff, so

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00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,280
Speaker 1: and that that money has to be put in escrow.

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00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 1: Real money has to be put in escrow essentially cash.

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Speaker 1: So yes, you're right, and and look at Yeah, the

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Speaker 1: value of everyone's portfolio four oh one k are otherwise

1101
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 1: as decreased. We're not talking about that anymore exponentially. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna stick on my head in the sand. Danny, you

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Speaker 1: don't own any crypto? Do you want a cryptocurrency? Bitcoin? Nothing? Doc,

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00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:17,399
Speaker 1: I do not, you do not, Okay. I just want

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Speaker 1: to make sure, make sure you can sleep at night.

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Speaker 1: Any BTS bitcoin behind the scene? Is that what the

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00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 1: b stands for? Bitcoin? Bitcoin? I do potentially? How many?

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Speaker 1: How many people are in that band, Paul that you're

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00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,399
Speaker 1: not going to have to follow silo career? How many

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Speaker 1: are there many? How many? How many members of BTS

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Speaker 1: are there? Actually they? I mean, can you can you

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Speaker 1: can you actually form like a seven on seven? Can

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Speaker 1: they can? There are seven dudes? Could there be a

1114
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 1: seven on seven? Uh? You know flag summer football team? Oh?

1115
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Speaker 1: The Internet tells me seven seven? There you go, a

1116
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Speaker 1: passing league team. There you go BTS. Maybe that's what

1117
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 1: they're doing for good music. They're gonna go fall. The

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Speaker 1: headline I saw was on Hiatus Paul not broken up.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna be okay, that's right, that's right. Okay, Uh, Danny,

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Speaker 1: what you need to do is go over when they

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Speaker 1: finally are they going to open up the locker room?

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Speaker 1: Here's my last question, and my work here is done.

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Speaker 1: Is the locker room gonna be open for the first

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Speaker 1: time in two three years when training camp starts? Fingers crossed?

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Speaker 1: You don't know, Dark Come on, you know, Sharrett, I

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Speaker 1: do not know. You don't know. I would I would

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Speaker 1: anticipate it being open, but I don't know, because Danny,

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Speaker 1: that would be a funny story, is the headline of

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Speaker 1: BTS is breaking up, and you go around the locker room.

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Speaker 1: Who's got BTS you know in their right in their playlists?

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Speaker 1: Content would be good? That would be good. I'll keep

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Speaker 1: that in mind. I would it be funny? Would it

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Speaker 1: be of a JJ Watt at BTS on his playlist? Right?

1134
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Speaker 1: That would be good. I don't know if it would

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Speaker 1: surprise me if any of the players did. You don't

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Speaker 1: know if it would surprise you if they did, or yeah,

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Speaker 1: if they did, Like I don't think I'd be surprised

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Speaker 1: either way. Okay, I don't think i'd be surprised either way.

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Speaker 1: It's a mature thing to just not be surprised at

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Speaker 1: any of that stuff. People are, people have wive right interest,

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Speaker 1: Like I would not have Peg Tall as a BTS

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Speaker 1: and look how wrong I was. Well, my middle name

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Speaker 1: is eclectic. So there you go on this edition A

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