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Speaker 1: really was kind of school class in the church really

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00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:51,480
Speaker 1: rallied around us and and um gave us away and

427
00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,840
Speaker 1: we prayed for everything. We prayed for food, We prayed

428
00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,720
Speaker 1: for our bills to be covered. Was that a big

429
00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,320
Speaker 1: because for me it was if it wasn't from my

430
00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:03,159
Speaker 1: youth director in church, and it wasn't for different different

431
00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:04,919
Speaker 1: seasons of my life in church. But we've been had

432
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,600
Speaker 1: food Christmas presence, you know, and so and I don't

433
00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:10,520
Speaker 1: want to asking that question by going that's my story

434
00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,240
Speaker 1: and so your story please share it too. But I

435
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:14,879
Speaker 1: mean I remember once the only gift I got was

436
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:16,720
Speaker 1: one of those colors By paint sets and it was

437
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:18,960
Speaker 1: from their and the church brought me wanted. I'm just

438
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,639
Speaker 1: happy to have a gift. It was like, so the

439
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 1: first Christmas we were here because we we loved Santa

440
00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,520
Speaker 1: growing up. I mean we were home school as well,

441
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,160
Speaker 1: so I probably believed in Santa for about five years

442
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:35,000
Speaker 1: too many. He was. But and I remember mom coming

443
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:41,600
Speaker 1: because in Australia block your children's yea, we can do

444
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:45,840
Speaker 1: that where where? She said, you know, because in Australia

445
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:47,879
Speaker 1: with the big thing about Santa and Sander was awesome

446
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 1: in Australia. And we came over here. I was like, hey, guys,

447
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,400
Speaker 1: Santa's only to bring you things from the dollar shop

448
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 1: this year. And I was like, what are you talking about, Like,

449
00:21:56,080 --> 00:22:00,639
Speaker 1: Sander is not impacted by our financial situation. He's coming

450
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:02,640
Speaker 1: and she was like, well, he might not know where

451
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:06,160
Speaker 1: we live. We're like, how did she? Of course he knows.

452
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 1: It's sad like and and underknown to us. At first

453
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 1: grade school, class found out the week weren't be able

454
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 1: to give each other gifts and they sponsored our Christmas

455
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 1: with Santa, and we had more gifts that year. It

456
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,879
Speaker 1: was just such an iron ironic moment. Didn't barely anything

457
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 1: in our house. We're the most gifts we've ever gone,

458
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:33,160
Speaker 1: and just more gifts than ever. Did you guys feel shame? Man,

459
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if I you know what, that's probably

460
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 1: a better question for my parents, because I'm sure they did.

461
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 1: I'm sure my dad did. Actually it's still I think

462
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:44,119
Speaker 1: a wound him. He did um for us, man, my

463
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 1: parents did a pretty good job of like teaching us like, man,

464
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,119
Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter whatever what everybody else thinks. And

465
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 1: we were odd because obviously were you know, my accent

466
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 1: has been very compromised now, but very Australian. We were.

467
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,199
Speaker 1: There was a bunch of us, we were young, and

468
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 1: so you had all these the granny's coming up. Oh

469
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,920
Speaker 1: they're so cute, know you know, So you know, we

470
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,880
Speaker 1: were used to um sticking out and but I don't

471
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:06,919
Speaker 1: think I ever felt any shame. And part of it

472
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,680
Speaker 1: was it's funny because we still work together with family,

473
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 1: real real close, and I think that if we hadn't

474
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,199
Speaker 1: have moved, our family friendships would be much more, to

475
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 1: use a word that we've used before, fractured. Right. But

476
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 1: because you come to a new place, you speak, you know,

477
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 1: even though a culturally, even though culturally Australia and America

478
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 1: are fairly similar, it's still totally different. If that makes sense.

479
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,440
Speaker 1: And so you're experiencing things that make you feel a

480
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 1: little unsafe. So who do you turn to? Your turn

481
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 1: to your older brother, you turn to your younger brother,

482
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,400
Speaker 1: You're talking to your You're leaning on your older siblings.

483
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 1: And I think because of that, family has become such

484
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 1: a strong muculus for us that otherwise I don't think

485
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:47,919
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense in the Western world. But

486
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:49,639
Speaker 1: for us that's all we had. And so what happened

487
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,920
Speaker 1: was is you grew up with it, and so now yeah,

488
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,399
Speaker 1: we still work really really close to the end of

489
00:23:55,400 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 1: the story is our sisters started traveling and and the older, yes,

490
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 1: oldest and managed her and so is that kind of

491
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 1: his path? Then did he did he go? And did

492
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 1: you know she had talent? Yeah, she was in like

493
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,919
Speaker 1: the rock band at school in Australia. She'd done some

494
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 1: demos and things in Australia, and so there was she'd

495
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:20,959
Speaker 1: opened for Carmen. Your sister is Rebecca St. James, and

496
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,919
Speaker 1: so in Australia she kind of already had I mean,

497
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 1: she made she was six, she was fifteen, sixteen, fourteen

498
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 1: when we came, Yeah, fifteen, I think when she signed sixteen,

499
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,400
Speaker 1: when she released her first album that he took around

500
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 1: to every label, no one want to have anything to

501
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:37,919
Speaker 1: do with her, and took her to Forefront Records with

502
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 1: Editor Gamo and Dan Brock greg Ham, and they said

503
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 1: we'll sign her because ironically they thought she could be

504
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,160
Speaker 1: the next Gammigrant, which Amy Grant was the reason Waby

505
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: the hearing the first place, because he lost all the

506
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 1: money on the Immigrant to her. So it was sort

507
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: of this bizarre full circle moment. And then we all

508
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 1: traveled together. So we jumped in like a Ford fifteen

509
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 1: passenger van. So you went with your dad and sister

510
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 1: kind of tis almost his dad needed cheap labor. He

511
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: looked around and sorry had five sons, and we all

512
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,919
Speaker 1: came the round our first our first jobs were I

513
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 1: was a spotlight operator. I think at nine crazy stories

514
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 1: child could be a broken I mean, Joel was a

515
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 1: stage manager, like you know, twelve thirteen. I became a

516
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 1: lighting director at like fourteen fifteen. I mean, just crazy things.

517
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 1: I mean I remember going up to these festivals and

518
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 1: it was good that I was speaking of being tall.

519
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: I would go up to these festivals and I have

520
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 1: these union guys, and you guys are tough cookies, right,

521
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: And they would look at me and they thought, maybe

522
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 1: he's sixteen, you know, maybe it's legal, you know, because

523
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 1: he's not tall. And I was like this young guy

524
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 1: and she would be performing in front of thousands of

525
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 1: people as a Grammy Award winner and I was the

526
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 1: lighting guy. I mean, none of it made sense, but

527
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 1: you know, here we were. Did she have an I

528
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 1: don't know if unfair is the word. Did she have

529
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 1: a pressure on her there was a fifteen six year

530
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 1: old because now here she is, she's what do you

531
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: think as a kid, and it's all on her now.

532
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, I've never met your sister before, but

533
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 1: I just think about that. I mean, she is now

534
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: the son in that she's she's I just wonder what

535
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,400
Speaker 1: she what she felt like then if she was able

536
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 1: to be a kid at all, or I wouldn't say

537
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: not much, you know. And now Beck was always mature,

538
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: well beyond her years. She was always a third mom.

539
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 1: But you I mean, maybe it's just maybe as for me,

540
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: as I'm getting older and and I've got young kids,

541
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: you start to realize that there's pros and cons to

542
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: absolutely everything in life. And she was always supermature. But

543
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 1: if you if you kind of skip a few steps

544
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 1: in life, there's gonna be some ramifications to that, right,

545
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 1: And Beck's note amazing, But I think that she would

546
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 1: come on, if she was ever to come here, she'd

547
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: probably say, yeah, there was a difficult There was some

548
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 1: difficult days because you don't get to live out childhood

549
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: in some cases, you don't get to make some some

550
00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 1: mistakes without even a teenagehood and young adulthood. All that

551
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 1: just it all rests on her, or did for a

552
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: while a long time. So you guys are traveling around

553
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: and then is everybody doing music in your family at

554
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: some point? Though in some way obviously you're working making

555
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 1: sure that the bit, But does everybody know something kind

556
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 1: of yeah? So so like not like our youngest brothers,

557
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: our general manager kid? Though, does does your mom and

558
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 1: dad say everybody have to learn how to play at

559
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: We were not down? We were not all in down

560
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 1: with musical really, Okay, don't get Josh in here's to sing,

561
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: it'll be upset. But could he play if he needed none? Okay?

562
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: So he's the business guy? Was that always this thing?

563
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: Even as a kid? Kid, what's been cool? Is like mom,

564
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 1: really felt a promise when because she was terrified Mom, Mom,

565
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: who's a hero. She had just had three brothers, all

566
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 1: in the education system in Australia. They were all like

567
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: principles of that. She pulled her kids out of school

568
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 1: and then home schools all of them, which and you're

569
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: also talking around you know, years ago is cooling. I

570
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: mean it's still maybe not cool. But everyone homeschooled during COVID,

571
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: so it became much more publicly accessible, you know. But

572
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 1: but so she takes not only out of school, takes

573
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: them on the road and she's terrified, like they're not

574
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: getting a proper education. She really sensed to God say,

575
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: don't worry teaching what they need to know. And what's crazy.

576
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 1: As you fast forward you go down the list, we're

577
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: all still working in the roles that we learned. Like so,

578
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 1: our brother is an awfully successful lighting designer and director.

579
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: He just you know, does like the chick fil a

580
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: Summits and all the rest of our brother. Ben's a filmmaker.

581
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: We're in the band together, you know. Josh is a

582
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: general manager. Livy's an artist. Our younger sister in the Questry,

583
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: and our older sister Rebecca, so that we're all still

584
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: doing the same thing. It sounds to me like your

585
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: mom's kind of the unsung because as we talk about

586
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: everybody's stories here, your dad and and but it sounds

587
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: like your mom was just such a fundamental at times

588
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,479
Speaker 1: unheralded like pillar, I love what you're gonna say, You're

589
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: gonna say on the sun Hero, I was, I don't

590
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: know where ye are your parents? Are they still alive?

591
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: By the way, mom and dad? Okay, your mom sounds strong. Yeah,

592
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: I mean that that's regardless that she just sounds strong.

593
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. You know, it's interesting because and I

594
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: would say this with my dad in the room. My

595
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: dad was the he's the full runner, you know, he's

596
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,479
Speaker 1: the he's the entrepreneur, he's he's he's you know, a

597
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: big personality. But um, he's nothing without my mom. And

598
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: I think for us, you know, even someone asked me

599
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: the other day a little bit like, hey, how was

600
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: it raising being raised in your family? And I said,

601
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: you know what, it's interesting. No parents are ever perfect.

602
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: We all know that. Everybody knows that. But my mom

603
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: handled the big moments perfectly. There was never a big

604
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: moment for me where it was like because I got

605
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: I told my a c L in high school and

606
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: I had, you know, some issue even being doing the

607
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: job out on the road. I struggled with a little bit,

608
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: you know times and Mom was Mom handled those moments,

609
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: those ones what you come and you're like, I've got

610
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: a little bit of a crisis going here, Those conversations,

611
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: the moments that transpired after that, she nailed it. It It

612
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: was like she knew the right things to say when

613
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: I needed the right things to to to to hear them,

614
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,959
Speaker 1: to absorb them, to grow from them. She told them

615
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: to me. It's just as we were telling these stories,

616
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: I just felt hints of your mom at all times.

617
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: That work pillar. That's that again. I don't know her.

618
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: It could be wrong, but I felt like that that

619
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: was the case. And when you talk about her being

620
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: her family, being in the school system and she's like,

621
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: I feel like this is the right thing to do.

622
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: It didn't sound like the most popular thing that she

623
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: could have done, the most conventional thing that she could

624
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: have done. She heard her mom calling Nana just like

625
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: and then please, why didn't she come home? This is awful?

626
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: What is your husband? What are you doing this to

627
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: your children? You know? That love stuff. Yeah, yeah, you

628
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:59,479
Speaker 1: know it's crazy, Bubby, here's a pair of them. It's uh,

629
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: we truly just came from this is a true story.

630
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: We just we've been working for about two two and

631
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: a half years on telling our mom and dad's migration

632
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: story the literally what from mom's perspective because she is

633
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: sort of our unsung hero? And what do you mean,

634
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: been telling it, working time telling it. We've been working

635
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: a film. So when we're going on an independent, six

636
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: million dollar feature film and we just literally hopped in

637
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: the car and came from watching the first thirty minutes

638
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: of it. So, well, isn't that kind of wild how

639
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: we got there? Because we didn't I have all these notes,

640
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: I mean looked at a single note on you guys,

641
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: because we just started talking and we were here. We

642
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: haven't really talked, haven't really even announced the film that

643
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: much yet because it doesn't come out till later in

644
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: the year. Well, what an organic way to even bring

645
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: it up. They don't even announce it now, Well, what's

646
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: funny is you were actually you were using the word

647
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: unsung hero. That's what you want to That is literally

648
00:31:58,560 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: I was about to say that, and I thought I'm

649
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: not going to say it doesn't matter, but I did

650
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: almost syndsung hero that Yeah, it's funny. Well look, that's awesome.

651
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear more about it when you

652
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: guys are ready to talk about it. Just back to

653
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: the Los Angeles. When did you guys get back? I

654
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: got back yesterday evening o'clock last night. And you're like,

655
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: you're good, you have energy, not tired. I mean, what

656
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: do you do when you done? We've done worse, if

657
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: that makes sense. You know, there's a little bit of weariness.

658
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: I get slightly depressed. I got a bit depressed from well,

659
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: it was a bigger week for me because we flew

660
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: out We did this Chick fil A Summer in San

661
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: Diego the beginning of the week, and then I went

662
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: into a bunch of like and had some great meetings

663
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: and whatnot about the film and just different um entities

664
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: and people, and and then went straight out of that

665
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: into the the Grammy thing and then straight at that

666
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: to home. And my wife's been away three weeks two

667
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: she's in Spain working on a project, and so I

668
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,479
Speaker 1: just don't feel speaking grounding. I just I just got

669
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: home last night and I was like, I just need

670
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: to check in with myself for a moment. There's something

671
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: too about like Hillary Scott, who you love. We love

672
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: like she's just a joy, I guess, a human being.

673
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: Yeah obviously lady, yes, but like Hillary, she's an incredible

674
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: vocal because she's an even better person. And I felt

675
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: we just I just feel little bit of sadness, like

676
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: she featured on this song with us and flown her

677
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: out there and I had this moment and it was

678
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: still beautiful, but I just had this You sort of

679
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: feel like a bit of a parent and I feel

680
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: like you owed it to her to win. Is that

681
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: what you're saying. I think you subconsciously are saying that

682
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: maybe yeah, yeah, because it's just you know, don't believed

683
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: in us absolutely. But let me just flip it around

684
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: a little bit. I'll just be Hillary for a second.

685
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: I feel like I owed it to you guys that

686
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: I can see her putting the same pressure on herself

687
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: and yeah, and I would if I mean if it

688
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: were me and you were like, do this song and

689
00:33:58,240 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, haly, I come on and we don't win.

690
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: I hope you don't put that burden on you because

691
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: I think in the same way. She's probably doing that

692
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: to herself in the same way, and it is not fair.

693
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: I can tell you one thing about the Grammys and

694
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:09,439
Speaker 1: you're on the board and you don't have you don't

695
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,240
Speaker 1: need to comment on this. It's just run a different

696
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: way because I know that I vote, and sometimes even

697
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: with all the votes from my perspective, from what I

698
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: have learned, not you guys. There are people that can

699
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: sit in a room and go, you know what, I

700
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: don't know if that we're gonna go with, we're gonna

701
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: as a board just pick this one instead. And that

702
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: was an issue for a while and they got some.

703
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: So you shouldn't feel that way. And I'm I'm absolutely

704
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 1: bananas when it comes. I am in my head all

705
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: the time, anxious about stuff constantly. And I'll tell you,

706
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of us that ways that

707
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: we're similar. She's probably going to day I feel like

708
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: I let them down. No, I think, And it's it's funny.

709
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: It's a good life moment to just going. I mean, look,

710
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: I wasn't contemplating passing to the next life or anything,

711
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: but I just got home last night and again it

712
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: was empty home. It was like six days away and

713
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: I've been like, I've been going that hole came home.

714
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 1: I've been going pretty hard that whole time, and I

715
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: was like, oh, it's a bit sad. I literally had

716
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: this lonely advice sat out on the balcony last night,

717
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: just looking out in the distance, like on my own

718
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: do you do that? When I would do that would

719
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: be after a show. Now I didn't have a wife

720
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: for a family, and I would go out and do

721
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: stand up and have a really good show couple. I

722
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: think that's probably that was the proverbial end of show

723
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 1: for me. And now I go I go back to

724
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: a hotel and be just loneliest crap. I get all

725
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: this love out on stage, and I'll go back and

726
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,879
Speaker 1: just be sad, because what do you do? You turn

727
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: on the fresh prints on the on the TV and

728
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: sit there alone and wait for the next show. Last

729
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 1: night I had a bath and I listened to Bono.

730
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: Here's that book Surrender, which is a marvelous book. By

731
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: the way, I just put the Sono speaker on the bar,

732
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: like comfort me, and it was great. Bono comforted me

733
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,240
Speaker 1: in the shower. In the bath, I was fully closed

734
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: and sometimes no you weren't, but I get that feeling

735
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: of like rush, but your wife's also gone, so that's

736
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,280
Speaker 1: not helping things. But also you're not mere for a grammy.

737
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: It's like I have to check myself sometimes too, And

738
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, but but that's the shame. That's the shame part,

739
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: because then you go from like oh, gie, and then

740
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: and then you swing back to this, like you like

741
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 1: the life. I said to Rebecca our system and we're

742
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: out there, it's like the life that we're like that

743
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: we've been. We went from like literally seeing beds man

744
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: out of clothes and I was like, back, isn't this

745
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: amazing that we're literally in l a together, going to

746
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: like looking at this celebrating music, biggest night together and

747
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: we've devoted out lives to music. So it's like yeah,

748
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: and so then shame creeps in. It's it's just a

749
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: weird it's a weird cycles. And if we weren't crazy creative,

750
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: I'll just use the alliteration there, we wouldn't be in

751
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: this business anyway. But it just goes hand in hand

752
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: with how we have to judge and juggle our emotions

753
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: as a creative, Like that's gonna happen or I mean

754
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: we got into this being like this, So why would

755
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 1: we not be like this once we're in it? And

756
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: so I st you guys are a therapy at all?

757
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: Have I do? Let me know, you'll let me know.

758
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 1: You're bloke or Sheila not now they call you guys

759
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: called Sheila's Is that? Is that a woman in Australia,

760
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: You guys do z or z z. That's weirder than

761
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: all of every That's the weirdest thing conversation, you know,

762
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 1: the weirdest thing. You guys in America say h it's

763
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: h h. You say Henry, you know, I say for Henry, Yeah, yeah,

764
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: I'm I can't justify the English language for many, many

765
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: many reasons, the American version of it, because it's if

766
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: I had to not learn a language, would be the

767
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: American version of English because we got it everywhere all

768
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: the time. You're just you're just doing the most. America

769
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: is just doing the most all the time. Your rs

770
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: how like Car? It's so hard to say, Car, hey man,

771
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: how are you today? It's great to be here on

772
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: the Bobby Bones show like that. My mouth is tired.

773
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: Do you have different accents in Australia? Are you kidding?

774
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: What do you mean, like you know, like, oh, you're

775
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: a good eye. Might how you going. I just figured

776
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 1: it was more Australia. I didn't know it's a different

777
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: accent in Australia. Just figured that was like deep more

778
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: in the middle or something. I mean, if you're in

779
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: Australia and you hear a Boston accent, no, you can

780
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: hear it when you hear the American difference. All I

781
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: hears the thicker Australian accent. I don't hear different Adelaide, Adelaide,

782
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: you know, Perth, Adelaide, Sydney all different in in the

783
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: the outback of Australia. Those guys, man, it's a whole

784
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: lot of language. Yeah I have, yeah, you know though

785
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: some of those guys in there they get real yeah.

786
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: But I just thought it was more Australian. Honestly, I

787
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to tell that. I mean, I was like, well,

788
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: they're really AUSTRALI you call them bogans, so you have

789
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: sort of I suppose you call them rednecks. Here, we

790
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: have bogans, like the bush is what I would learn,

791
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: Like that's like the kind And this was the rabbit

792
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: trail of all rabbit Trails podcast. Like you said, you

793
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: can do what, you can do this, you can do this,

794
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: you are your sister? Is her success? When when do

795
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: you think it hit Not that she's not still at peak,

796
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: but when did it first hit the peak for her?

797
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 1: And where were you guys then when that was happening

798
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: for her? Were you still working with her? Did you

799
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: have aspirations to do that? Were you doing music around her? Yeah?

800
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: So we grew up so we were Rhodes and then

801
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: Joel started doing background vocals for Rebecca. There was some

802
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: good footage of that, and you should find somewhere. Trouble

803
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 1: is when you make it when you when you have

804
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: kids who do not have the grounding of school, and

805
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: then they travel and then you put them in front

806
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 1: of thousands of people. It's just a recipe for like

807
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: a home school of fourteen year old kids to think

808
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: he's awesome and have no right. So it's just critous

809
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: still getting to travel and do some of the things

810
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 1: that different education. We are you jealous of her success

811
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: as a kid, don't? I don't think that we ever really.

812
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: I mean, for me, you know, I grew up with

813
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: melodies in my head. I've always grown up with thoughts

814
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: in my head, you know, um that could become songs.

815
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: But I actually never thought that I would do music

816
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: until probably when I was eighteen nineteen. Really so all

817
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: the time on the road working in music, Yeah, so

818
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: close to it, yeah, I think so. I just thought

819
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,879
Speaker 1: that I was going to be there help her along.

820
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 1: I always felt like I worked for my sister, and

821
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 1: it was kind of a nice thing, you know, and

822
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: it was like there was no ego attached to it

823
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: and it and it wasn't until you know, kind of

824
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: Joel came along and I was like, hey man, what

825
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 1: do you think about writing some songs and singing on

826
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: some demos that we got to a point of kind

827
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: of considering it, and I said yes in some cases

828
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: because A I didn't have anything else going. But two,

829
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: I think that I knew that there was something. I heard,

830
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 1: these things, you know, I heard, you know, I used

831
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: to listen to music and go, why did they do

832
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: that with that melody? They should have changed it to this.

833
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: So when you're around music most of your life, I

834
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: mean you joked about it being traveling with our education.

835
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: Music was our education. That is a thousand but percent true.

836
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 1: And I didn't grow up I grew up playing a

837
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: little bit of drumas but I didn't grow up writing,

838
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,919
Speaker 1: you know, working on chords or working on songwriting until

839
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: I was about nineteen. Okay, so you did you grat

840
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: do you graduate? Yeah? Quote unquote, we graduated school. So

841
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: you have your high school diploma? You both do? Ye?

842
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 1: Did you finish like a year before? Is it like

843
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 1: standard school? Here's a funny story for you when I

844
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: when I got my diploma sent to me in the mail.

845
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: Um My mom my mom was like, look, here's your

846
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: high school diploma. And I was like, oh, that's good.

847
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: And she looked at me and said, you're the only

848
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: one in the entire family that has graduated high school

849
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: on time. Everybody else I don't know, a year too late, Ben,

850
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: a year or too late. Yeah, there's a lot of josh,

851
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: there's a great area with school. I think mom was like,

852
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: all right, luck, you're dumb, here's your diploma. So did

853
00:41:55,360 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: you um? Do you played basketball? Though? Right? He he's modest,

854
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: but he was actually a bowler. And I know, I

855
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: know this is true. And you mentioned the a c

856
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 1: L injury which was held you back or stopped you.

857
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: But how did you play ball? If so, here's all right,

858
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: you know, if we want to go there, we can't.

859
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: It's a podcast. We can do this. So I started.

860
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: I didn't start playing basketballuntil my um freshman year of

861
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:21,919
Speaker 1: high school. It was the first time I've ever played

862
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: basketball in the league. And I did well, Like I

863
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: got player of the Year that year. I was pretty

864
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: talk were you athletic? So I grew up playing sports,

865
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: But because we were traveling all the time, I didn't

866
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: get to play in the league's and all this add

867
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 1: of thing. So anyway, I my sophomore year, I just

868
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: tried to balance traveling with my sister and playing basketball.

869
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: And because of that, I'd missed practices obviously, and so

870
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 1: the coaches are like, we can't stop you if you're

871
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: literally here, like two thirds of the time, your either

872
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: here or you're not. So I started coming off the

873
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: bench and I didn't have a great year. You know,

874
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: you start to realize, like sports, you have to really

875
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: dedicate your life to it. So anyway, I finished that year.

876
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: Don't have as good of a year. Uh, And um,

877
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: I kind of went to mom and dad. I was like, yeah,

878
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 1: I just wanted the last two years of high school.

879
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: I want to give everything to to basketball and just

880
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: see what happens. And so I go through that, I

881
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 1: get I get prepared for my junior year um playing sports.

882
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: And the very first game my junior year of high school,

883
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: I told my a cl and so in some cases

884
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 1: when it comes to sports, freak tear or fall like

885
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: hard fall, just a freak tear, just cut on boom

886
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 1: and uh, I'll never forget. They called the time out.

887
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: I came out and the coach looked at me. It's like,

888
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: so you're good now, right, And I was like yeah,

889
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: because I didn't know what was going on. And I

890
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: get back in and this guy just came driving down

891
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: the lane. I went to defend him and my leg

892
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 1: just went and I was like, I'm done, but it

893
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: just gum, this is this jellow feeling is a terrible feeling.

894
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: Got on the bench and he's like, he said, what's

895
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: going on? I said I, And I looked at him

896
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: and I was like, I think I'm really hurt, and

897
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: he gave me the weird I'll just never forget that

898
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: look in his eyes. His eyes were huge, and he

899
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: walked back and he kept coaching the rest of the game.

900
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: I called my mom and I said, hey, mama, and

901
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: that was when hit me. What I call mom? So

902
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: do you repair it? And does it? Yeah? So you yeah,

903
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: you have surgery a year later. When I went and

904
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: played a year later, but I knew it was like, man,

905
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: it's literally, I mean, it's what you realize with these

906
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: professional athletes. It's it's amazing when they come back and

907
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: really contribute a year later. Like if there there are

908
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 1: those stories out there because it's a very it's kind

909
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: of like relearning how to do everything. I mean even

910
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: I went through all the practices, never thought of my knee,

911
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: and in the first game I played my senior year,

912
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I was super aware of my knee. Like, oh,

913
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: I don't want to jump to confidence. I don't. I

914
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: don't want evidence. Yeah, I just messed with you. So

915
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: these professional athletes have come back and really, you're good

916
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 1: a year after turning their a c O. You know,

917
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: my hat's off. It's it's it takes a bit. So

918
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: you're seventeen or eighteen and Joel you're a couple of years.

919
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: How much older are you there? So if you're twenty,

920
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: what are you doing it? When he's doing this? I

921
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: had had an Australian one of Dad's actually old Australian mates.

922
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: When I was about sixteen is he said to Dad.

923
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: I remember we were on an RV because we rented

924
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 1: these RVs for Rebecca on the road instead of two

925
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: of us were cheaper, and he said, hey, David, you

926
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: should your son should do music, and and uh it

927
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: was I don't know Dad, his middle Charlotte, I know

928
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: what it was, but it was never really a consideration

929
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: for him. So for about sixteen onward I started writing

930
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: and just sort of exploring music, and periodically between sixteen

931
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: and twenty one, Dad had come and said, hey, I

932
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: think you know you should, you know, you should do

933
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: music with your your little brother, and I was like,

934
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,879
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't want to mess with that. Yeah,

935
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: he can play drums because he's a good drummer. And

936
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 1: I was like, no, I think you should try writing

937
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: with him. So almost to sort of shut that up,

938
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, and Luke at Towns a

939
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: c l As I felt really sorry for him. Of course,

940
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: that maybe an elaboration story. Dad wanted you to to

941
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: actually do music because he saw something that could be completed,

942
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: or do you think he wanted you to to do

943
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 1: something together because you were brothers and you both were

944
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: kind of just finding I think I actually think I

945
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 1: think he actually saw something. I think he knew there

946
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 1: was a there was a First of all, Dad's a

947
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: smart cookie, so he looked at the market place and

948
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: at that point there were no duos duos, so he's like, okay, choose.

949
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: So he was like, uh, you know, this is a

950
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 1: good idea of marketing wise, but he's like, there's something

951
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: actually between you guys personality wise and voices that sort

952
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 1: of blends. So personality wise on stage, are you do

953
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 1: you have the same dynamic? Are you A? And are you?

954
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 1: And I mean that's like type A because my comedy

955
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: partner we do music, Eddie, he's such a type being.

956
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 1: It's awesome. Fits me perfectly because he there has never

957
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: been a more stable straight guy and it makes me.

958
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: He makes me funnier because he's just freaking so everybody's like,

959
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: Bobby is so good funny, But it's like it wasn't ready.

960
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be able to knock his Like Eddie's your

961
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: baseline just but he's so like, is that dynamic with

962
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: you too? The same as it was a brothers, are

963
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 1: you the foundation? Are you since you're the older? How

964
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,399
Speaker 1: does that work? On stage? On stage is a little

965
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: bit different, right because and is it different than creating?

966
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: Does some really flamboyant moves on stage that I'm like, man,

967
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: I'm flamboyant, but I don't even think I could do that?

968
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: And you know what's funny? So anyway, off stage, off

969
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: stage absolutely, because I haven't been to a show. Yeah, tickets, okay,

970
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: Now it's a bit bombastic on stage, but offstage, which

971
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:34,919
Speaker 1: is sort of the bit that probably counts the most.

972
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: It's it's so like there's the there's the yin and

973
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: the yang, you know, like I'm out, he's okay with

974
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: me taking the lead of points and and and it's

975
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 1: really it's actually music we didn't get on when we

976
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,800
Speaker 1: were teenagers, Like he got taller than me. It's a

977
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 1: bit of sports. All the things that shouldn't happen for

978
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 1: a younger sibling happen with him. And so I resented

979
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: him for bettering a you know, and it was actually

980
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: music that kind of brought uspect together. But man I

981
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: gave him a hard time. Was there a moment musically though,

982
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 1: where you guys went, oh wow, okay, maybe like whether

983
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: you can think back and maybe not an exact moment

984
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: or a song that you wrote or you know. We

985
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: had Dallas Smith then, who's a Canadian singer songwriter and

986
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 1: he never sang, and he practiced once with like his

987
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: two boys and he and then he went it was

988
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: in default and there was this massive rock they had

989
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: a massive pop song and he was like, I don't

990
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: even know what I was doing. I just went and sang.

991
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh gosh, I'm pretty It was

992
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: a slow it was I think it was the Jay

993
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 1: Leno Show January. We was our first late night show. Wait,

994
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: I'm talking about before, I'm talking about just as brother. Yeah.

995
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: I just think it was a slug. And if people

996
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: were to do like this and they had the footage,

997
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 1: because they don't, but if they were to do like

998
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: a documentary of the six years of Joel and I

999
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: are developing, it wouldn't be very interesting because it was

1000
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: all the it's just the grind. It was never so natural.

1001
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: And then I feel like, oh, or but what's funny

1002
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 1: is you know what do they say? You know, you

1003
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: practice really hard, so it looks effortless. You know in

1004
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: some cases it's all the songwriting sessions where he pissed

1005
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: me off and I pissed it. You know, like all

1006
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:16,280
Speaker 1: of those things are the things that shape you together

1007
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 1: and and and you know your humor has developed so

1008
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: resistant the moment actually comes, you're actually you'reified. And I

1009
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: think we didn't have a story, but we don't. We

1010
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: don't have a yeah, we don't have like a It

1011
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 1: was this moment. I've always said that the Keen Countries

1012
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: just always kind of been like this is this. We've

1013
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: always had just enough to keep going, and it just

1014
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: keeps getting a little bit better. And I think even

1015
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 1: like probably how we work together because we are in

1016
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: some cases an unlikely likely pair. And what I mean

1017
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 1: by that is you're unlikely because of how different the

1018
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: personalities are, but you're likely because you are so different,

1019
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 1: and that actually, if you have two people vying for

1020
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: the same spot, it will never work. I mean, if

1021
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: there was two bobbies, you guys would kill each other.

1022
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 1: And so it's you have to have some of that.

1023
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: And I don't think we probably realized it, and tell

1024
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: those those years it was kind of like now I

1025
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: can appreciate it because when I get up on stage.

1026
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: I can, I can sit there and I go, man,

1027
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 1: we we we work well together like this, this works.

1028
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: But when you're when it's undefined and nobody you know,

1029
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: you've you've you've not signed a record deal and you

1030
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 1: don't have a publishing deal. You don't have these things

1031
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: where other people are coming and saying I recognize something

1032
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: inside of you. In some cases, you're just wandering in

1033
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: the dark. Well, and then you lay on the Rebecca

1034
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 1: component like you're always in that shadow, like, oh, that's

1035
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 1: just that's cute. They're just Rebecca and James little brothers.

1036
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 1: Look at you. You still you still doing that little

1037
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: duo thing. Yeah, that's tough. And I guess I knew

1038
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: you before I knew her, right because we can she

1039
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 1: wanted Grammy kept we kept it pretty underwrap though initially

1040
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: because we we oh, is that a thing? Like you

1041
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 1: just didn't talk about it talk about And I guess

1042
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: that's why I'm not even I never even thought about

1043
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,399
Speaker 1: not approaching it, because I just knew you guys first,

1044
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: because I had I saw Carmen in concert, I saw

1045
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 1: you know, I had my stage of when But I mean,

1046
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: you guys are so good. I think you could. I

1047
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: think sometimes and I'm gonna just pivot and get back

1048
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: to it. I think sometimes you guys get unfairly pigeonholed

1049
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: in a way that limits your growth because some people

1050
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: maybe think there are there ares we don't want them

1051
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 1: to be other in more mainstream areas. I don't know

1052
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: if that's a fair because you're Christians, you're Christian artists.

1053
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: But I think what you guys do and how you

1054
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: do it is is I don't want to say bigger,

1055
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 1: but I think it could reach more people even that

1056
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: weren't looking for a specific message but more of a

1057
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:48,240
Speaker 1: generalized musical positive message. Like when I watch you guys videos,

1058
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 1: I go and the guys are good. I mean, that's it.

1059
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter that you're Christian artists,

1060
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: doesn't matter that you're metal artists, is that you're not

1061
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 1: metal artists. But there's just something about good music that

1062
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 1: trans ends, and you guys have that and and country

1063
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:06,439
Speaker 1: music does it too, where they go, we're locking this down,

1064
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: it's ours and anything else, and they don't need to

1065
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 1: be trying to go outside of country music, and that

1066
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: you don't need to be coming over here and getting

1067
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: it it's always controversial when someone does it, and I

1068
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: feel like, and I hope that doesn't happen to you

1069
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: guys where but you are so good And I'm like, man, man,

1070
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:27,439
Speaker 1: we try not to pay attention. I think so because

1071
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: because it guy's both ways. It's like you have the

1072
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 1: grammar read compet and you're like, hi, everyone away here,

1073
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: and you watch your publicist walk up, you know, and

1074
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: then the flip side, maybe maybe not, but but of

1075
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 1: of people who wanted to claim you, which we all

1076
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: do that like this is my person and we're trying

1077
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: for sure tribal. But country music is the same way.

1078
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: And I say that speaking from the same spot where

1079
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 1: country music does it to its artists too. I do

1080
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 1: you guys feel that that at all has happened where

1081
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 1: there's a certain so groups like we don't want to

1082
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 1: see you guys go out. It's because we're so proud

1083
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: of you. We don't want anybody else to have your

1084
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: are your are nights. You know, it's funny, you know

1085
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: that there's I understand the perspective that that comes from, right,

1086
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: And you've said very nice, encouraging things, and I thank

1087
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 1: you for that. I would say one of the things.

1088
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: Somebody said to me years ago that they've kind of

1089
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: taken to hot and that is you know, there's there's

1090
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: two genres of music. There's good music and there's bad music.

1091
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, there are some

1092
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 1: boundary markers and and um, there are occasionally some walls.

1093
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: But you're still allowed to write great music. And you

1094
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 1: never know. In some cases, when you start to think

1095
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: of things as I'm I'm just boxed in. I just

1096
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 1: have to write these songs. The magic of of and

1097
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,839
Speaker 1: the brilliance of songwriting and the power of a song,

1098
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 1: it's is destroyed. It's it's it's just been blown up.

1099
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: But the truth is, man, it's not to say that,

1100
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: you know, if if as Christians right, we should be

1101
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: making the greatest art in the history of the world,

1102
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: if we're in touch with the creator of the world.

1103
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a good thing, right, this is

1104
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:10,439
Speaker 1: an amazing thing. And so in some cases when we say, well,

1105
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 1: you're actually good at what you do and these other

1106
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 1: guys are, it's like, man, well, what if we are

1107
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 1: all to raise our game, What if we're all to

1108
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: do a little bit better? You know, what if we're

1109
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: we ought to write a song that we call it

1110
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: crossover or whatever. I'm never going to leave these group

1111
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 1: of people over here, and who knows, maybe there's a

1112
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 1: chance I can go see these people over here. But

1113
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:29,760
Speaker 1: the moment that I try to feel like I'm actually

1114
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: boxed in with the way that I construct my my

1115
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 1: life or my my songs on my writing, I feel

1116
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: like they actually won, you know, the other people actually won.

1117
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,879
Speaker 1: Where my goal is man to write inspired music from

1118
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: the hot that's always has always been one of his

1119
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: and who knows the magic of music can take it

1120
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: all around the world. And I agree with you insteadiment

1121
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 1: completely just when you get a word put attached to

1122
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: you like they're a Christian artist, you are Christian artists.

1123
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 1: Your artists, you're Christian. You're a Christian. But but some

1124
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: people just wanted to give you a shot because and

1125
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 1: I guess at that point you say, well, I guess

1126
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 1: I gotta be and I guess, And that's frustrating to

1127
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: me for you. But but you know what, Bobby, there,

1128
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: this is where you're powerful, Like it's really meaningful too.

1129
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 1: But we followed you for a time and we've been fans.

1130
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 1: You know, um, there have been people like yourself that

1131
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 1: are confident enough in their own skin and um bold enough.

1132
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: The only part was one of them as well, because

1133
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 1: I don't care. This is good and and for for folks,

1134
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 1: for a pair of us who are trying to, I think,

1135
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: break stereotypes and and break boundaries and and come into

1136
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:48,879
Speaker 1: wider conversations, because I think that's the beauty of music,

1137
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: is this free thing that we all get to be

1138
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 1: a part of, and it can meet us on any

1139
00:55:56,080 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: religious or irreligious level. And you know, it's universal language

1140
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: that there's people like you that actually raise the flag

1141
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 1: and go I'm in like, sign me up for that.

1142
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: And I hope our story has not been completed yet

1143
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:16,320
Speaker 1: as musicians. I hope that that storyline continues, that that

1144
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 1: people start keep breaking down the walls. What do you

1145
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 1: like best about each other now as adults? It's a

1146
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 1: good question, that's a great question. You know, I'm not

1147
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 1: jealous of Joel, and I can see who he is

1148
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 1: as as a younger brother with I'm actually proud, you know,

1149
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 1: I'm not competing with him, and I love that and

1150
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: I and that's not necessarily saying about him, But to

1151
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 1: my point, I can say that Joel is a better

1152
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 1: leader than me. We have different leadership styles. I can

1153
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 1: still lead, but he has a god given ability of

1154
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 1: Like he gets into a room, people want to follow him. Well,

1155
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: why am I gonna go pete with compete with that?

1156
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,360
Speaker 1: Can Can I offer him a tremendous amount of support

1157
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 1: in life in my role? Of course I can't. But

1158
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: it's one of the he's got. He's got drive that

1159
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 1: I don't have, you know, um and I and I

1160
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 1: love to celebrate that in him. I don't want to

1161
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: compete with that. It's like, no, I don't need to

1162
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 1: sit there and say, oh, I'm oh, I don't forget

1163
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 1: about me, man, I'm I'm proud of him. I'm proud

1164
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: of him as a brother, proud of him as a leader,

1165
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 1: and I'm proud of what we've been able to, you know,

1166
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 1: some of these things that we're able to do and

1167
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 1: and if it wasn't for him, many of which we

1168
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: would not be doing. Joel adult version. What do you

1169
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: love about him? I'm well, I love that he put

1170
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 1: up with me at such a long time. You know,

1171
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: I think you and I have probably taking snapshots of

1172
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: the our younger selves and just sort of politely and

1173
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: kindly and lovingly sort of shaking our heads and our

1174
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 1: younger selves. And man, I put in through the ring

1175
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 1: in those earliers because he hadn't written a song. He

1176
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 1: was as green as the grass on the lush spring

1177
00:57:56,520 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 1: day playing and so I sort of loaded that over

1178
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 1: him for a long period of time. It was actually

1179
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 1: was when he got really ill early in our public

1180
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 1: career that that it really kind of reset a lot.

1181
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 1: And even down the last year there was another reset um.

1182
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: But I'm so I'm proud of him for just staying

1183
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 1: in it, like and I'm proud of him for digging.

1184
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 1: And I think part of what Luke's type of personality,

1185
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: the peacemaker can just be like if I don't if

1186
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 1: I don't exert myself, then I never quite fail. But

1187
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 1: if I don't exert myself, then you know, quite win neither.

1188
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 1: And he's really he's dug in deep on not only

1189
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: our relationship, he's dug in deep on music. And then

1190
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: I'm really, I'm really I'm not a dad yet he's

1191
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 1: a father of four. I'm really proud of him as

1192
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 1: a dad, Like I'm proud of proud of the way

1193
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 1: he loves his wife. But he's just a good he's

1194
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 1: just a good dad, like he brings his brings my

1195
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 1: god children and his kids around a lot um. Yeah,

1196
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 1: what's the hardest thing about working with your brother all

1197
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 1: the time. You kind of know each other's tricks. You know,

1198
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: he knows when I'm you know, feeling one way or

1199
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 1: or you know, in some cases of going back off.

1200
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 1: I'm a good pitch man, but I'm a crap pitch

1201
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 1: man with Luke. To renegotiates, you can't. You can't, you know,

1202
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 1: he knows. You know. Even there's been times where there's

1203
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 1: been sensitive decisions that have to be made and I'm

1204
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 1: kind of dancing around some things and he goes, you know,

1205
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 1: tell me what it really is, you know, because I

1206
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: know you don't want to do this because of X,

1207
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 1: y Z. And sometimes they're difficult things to then discuss,

1208
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 1: but it must be discussed. It's those types of things

1209
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 1: where you you know, you know each other so very well.

1210
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: It's like playing It would be like playing yourself in

1211
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 1: a sports match. You know what you're gonna try and

1212
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 1: do to the other person, right, and you've got to

1213
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 1: But I think it's probably good, you know. That's one

1214
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 1: of the things I actually like about working with families,

1215
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 1: like at the end of the day with friends at times,

1216
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: and obviously work well with friends, but um, if they

1217
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: if you can't make them mad enough, they're just like peace.

1218
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 1: With family. You've still got to do Thanksgiving together, You've

1219
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: still got to do Christmas, and you've got to so

1220
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 1: in some cases you're forced to reconcile. I don't think

1221
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: that's a bad discipline. M hm. That's interesting. Do you

1222
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 1: feel like love is a discipline? Well, you can get

1223
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: You're always given the choice of loving and hating, you know,

1224
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 1: so in some cases you know you have it. The

1225
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 1: discipline of love is um, I think that's something that

1226
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 1: Isn't that human? Isn't that life? Isn't that what we're

1227
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 1: trying to do with life? Sure? I asked, I mean

1228
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 1: I was. I've been estranged from different before my mom died,

1229
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 1: and she had a lot of issues and we got

1230
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 1: to the point with her addiction that it got to

1231
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 1: the point where we got a strange for a while,

1232
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 1: my sister for a while until she got she's completely

1233
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 1: clean now. But I always dealt with is this a choice?

1234
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 1: Do I get to am I giving? I don't know.

1235
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: It's just a good it's a good question. I think

1236
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 1: with that specific ingredients. You know, it's funny. I talked

1237
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 1: it back on the plane belt yesterday. There's a lot

1238
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 1: of these really cool, like biblical parables that's just stories basically,

1239
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 1: But the parable the prodigal son, it's like we always

1240
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 1: focus on the kid and and like this guy is

1241
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 1: a bit of an idiot. But the dad, like the

1242
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 1: dad not only did he give him all the stuff,

1243
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 1: but the dad waited, like he didn't go and enable him.

1244
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 1: He didn't go. He might have died in the pig pen,

1245
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 1: but didn't go to the farm land. He didn't go

1246
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 1: get in the He literally actively waited for his son

1247
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 1: to return. So I think man loves all of it,

1248
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 1: loves and action, loves waiting, loves the boundary points, you know.

1249
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 1: But it's it's but, But I think where we get

1250
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 1: tangled up, at least where I've gotten tangled up, is

1251
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 1: like love. Part of love can be a feeling, but

1252
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 1: it is in my experience it isn't. I think it's

1253
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 1: your example. Man, Addiction is a tough one to navigate

1254
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 1: when it comes to am I hurting or am I

1255
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 1: helping right now? But if you're countenance of when given

1256
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 1: the opportunity, do you forgive? That's love, doesn't mean that

1257
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 1: I mean it's all gonna be perfect, but let's say

1258
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 1: something changes. Are you Are you going to be that?

1259
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:15,440
Speaker 1: I forgive? Man? Is there any greater love than forgiveness?

1260
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 1: When you've been actively wronged and you're gonna give that

1261
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 1: post and the opportunity to forgive them, that's a big one.

1262
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 1: I feel like you guys have to be nice to

1263
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 1: everybody all the time because you're quote unquote Christian artists,

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Speaker 1: and that will be hard. Yeah, I don't mind. It's

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Speaker 1: an unfair I think it's and I try to be

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Speaker 1: nice everybody all the time anyway. But still I can.

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Speaker 1: And I'll give you an example of when I'm in

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Speaker 1: a room, I feel like I'm a walt. I'm so

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Speaker 1: introverted until I'm extroverted. I'm not an extrovert in any

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Speaker 1: way whatsoever until it's time to perform. And that's where

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Speaker 1: it sounds. It's all of it right. And so if

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Speaker 1: I'm somewhere, just like in line at Chipotle, I don't

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Speaker 1: keep my head down. I don't want to bother anybody,

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Speaker 1: but some maybe like hey, we saw Bible and Chipotle

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Speaker 1: can't talk to a single person. What a jerk, now,

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Speaker 1: But I don't have And that's just me being well,

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Speaker 1: you're not you're not representing this to make this a

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Speaker 1: spiritual analogy just for a second, like he did. I

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Speaker 1: always found it funny when it would talk about all

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Speaker 1: the stories of Jesus, when he would go and heal

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Speaker 1: all these people, right, that means that he passed by

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Speaker 1: thousands upon thousands of people never healed him. He wasn't nice.

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Speaker 1: Historically he would have based on the locations he was in,

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Speaker 1: he would have just passed. And the other thing is

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Speaker 1: is how many times did he say and he went

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Speaker 1: away to be alone by himself actively saying no to

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Speaker 1: the people that are like chasing him. So we should

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Speaker 1: do the same at times. We can't be all things

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Speaker 1: to all people. That's that's that's you know. But my

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Speaker 1: my goal is to be generous. My goal is to

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Speaker 1: be to be kind, you know, to the best of

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Speaker 1: our billy. I think that's the way we meant to live.

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Speaker 1: But there are times when I go to Chipotle and

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Speaker 1: I can't. I kind of keep my head down and

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Speaker 1: I go and order my food, and I'm with my kids,

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Speaker 1: and I just feel like it's a pressure that you

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Speaker 1: guys don't deserve because of then, and I've kept you

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Speaker 1: beyond time. But um, we we did a lot of

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Speaker 1: the data stuff before you guys came in. We know

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Speaker 1: you're wildly famous, you got all the number one singles,

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Speaker 1: you got all the shows, and you know, I just

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Speaker 1: wanted to use this time that we had together so

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Speaker 1: people get to know so good man, the folks. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's what it is. I think the best interviews you

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Speaker 1: talked about it before. The best interviews is when you

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Speaker 1: don't have to listen to the notes where you don't

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Speaker 1: have to like, yeah, I mean I have all the

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Speaker 1: I didn't really even go to it because I'm just

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Speaker 1: interested in perspective mostly and as we own it with yours.

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Speaker 1: And I will say this just probably as far as

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Speaker 1: perspective like your, I think it's because you're so arranged

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Speaker 1: in the people that the genres and the people that

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Speaker 1: you sort of touch on as far as interviewing and

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Speaker 1: and and and doing life with and holding up it's

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Speaker 1: a very unique perspective that you have. It's an important

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Speaker 1: one because you're actually you're a bridge builder, I think

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Speaker 1: in between uh different people and and this is this

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Speaker 1: is like the last frontier of a format. We can

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Speaker 1: actually sit around and really digest some of this stuff.

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Speaker 1: Like not give you a bit of candy to get

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Speaker 1: your sugar levels up, but like, let's digest these these ideas.

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Speaker 1: We feel very very sane. So thank you. Well, let's

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Speaker 1: do this. Whenever you guys do announce your movie and

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Speaker 1: do announce the project, come back. I could do another hour,

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Speaker 1: but honest, I got my trainers on the front yard

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Speaker 1: ready for me right now, with Eddie probably, and he's

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Speaker 1: out there taking your well, I mean, waiting on me

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Speaker 1: at this point right now. Man, if you're just getting

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Speaker 1: out of it, man, this is good. There's no getting

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Speaker 1: out of it, no getting out of it. But I

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Speaker 1: I just I enjoy you guys. I know when I've

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Speaker 1: been watching you guys the same way, mostly just because

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Speaker 1: your science will pop up all over when I'm driving

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Speaker 1: to work, and I'm like, those guys are both better

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Speaker 1: looking than me, and i'd be jealous, and then I

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Speaker 1: would listen to the music and go, I'm inspired, and

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Speaker 1: probably not for the same reasons they think everybody else

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Speaker 1: is inspired, the same reason that they're being told. I

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Speaker 1: just listen and then motivated by the music, and then

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Speaker 1: I would see clips you guys, you're just really good.

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Speaker 1: And in the end, it's the most simple thing I

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Speaker 1: could say, is that what you guys do, the elementary version,

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Speaker 1: is just really good at it. And what it is

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Speaker 1: isn't really able to be defined because do you sound good. Sure,

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Speaker 1: do you have a good but you see your instrument

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Speaker 1: daysers lives. Yeah, yeah, but everybody does. But but also

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Speaker 1: it's just good all the elements people can do really

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Speaker 1: well individually. But it's just something about you guys. Man,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, and if I could define it, I would,

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Speaker 1: and you can't. But it's there and you don't need

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Speaker 1: my my little pep talk here. But I'm just I'm

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Speaker 1: a believer and so keep it up. You're killing it.

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Speaker 1: I love to see it. I'm proud of you guys,

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Speaker 1: And that's all. Mike, don't don't edit that low spit

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Speaker 1: out of the We're gonna beat it. I'm gonna take

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Speaker 1: that and I'm gonna like just play that just anytime

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Speaker 1: I have a depressing night, I'm in there. There are

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Speaker 1: a few artists that actually moved me. I'm jaded. I'll

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Speaker 1: end with this. I'm JD. We all get a bit

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Speaker 1: jade because we're around the best of the best all

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Speaker 1: the time. Where the town where the giants, Land of Giants.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's good here. I'm moved by you guys, and I

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Speaker 1: don't and it's it could be one of many things,

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Speaker 1: but I love it. Thank you for spending over an

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Speaker 1: hour with me, and we talked about it. But you

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Speaker 1: guys go check it out. The spring Tour what are

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Speaker 1: waiting for starts March ninth, all the way to the

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Speaker 1: end of May for King and Country dot Com. And

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go work out, and you guys are gonna

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Speaker 1: go to sit in the bathtub. And your son left

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Speaker 1: in and now Mike told him about the pool. He's

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Speaker 1: probably like the pool. Mike lives here. Good to see

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Speaker 1: you guys,