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Speaker 2: I'm welcome to stuff I Never told you.

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Speaker 3: Production to buy urry to you, and we're back with

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Speaker 3: our final classic and the four parter that we did

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Speaker 3: of Monday minis on women in Happiness and this one

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Speaker 3: we kind of talk about the future and what that

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Speaker 3: like that, and we do have some ideas of visiting

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Speaker 3: some places, maybe doing some interviews around this what it

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Speaker 3: could look like and where what it does look like

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Speaker 3: in other places. So if you have any suggestions about that,

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Speaker 3: please let us know. But in the meantime, please enjoy

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Speaker 3: this classic episode.

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha.

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Speaker 2: I'm welcome to stuff I Never told re production of

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Speaker 2: iHeart Radio.

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Speaker 4: And Welcome Back. I guess we're doing a small mini

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Speaker 4: Monday mini series.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there we go.

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Speaker 4: Like that did not make sense in my head because

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Speaker 4: it kind of brought back some conversations when we had

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Speaker 4: the original. We were a little sarcastic in the first

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Speaker 4: episode about what was happy, and then we talked a

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Speaker 4: little more about what was actually being said, it's being

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Speaker 4: happy or unhappy. We did talk about people who were

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Speaker 4: unhappy in this third part, if you just listen, we

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Speaker 4: talked about couples and who were the happiest couples and

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Speaker 4: just talking about what some of those characteristics look like.

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Speaker 1: And before we start, I do need to know.

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Speaker 4: Where's the last place you went when we were traveling.

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Speaker 2: It was Canada? Canada?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, because I was in Florida at the same

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Speaker 4: time and everything was slowly shutting down.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought I might not be able to get

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Speaker 4: Oh that was Oh yeah, you were like I might

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Speaker 1: Yep, I forgot about it.

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Speaker 2: About it now I was. I mean, of the places

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Speaker 1: Who's not bad because you were in Quebec.

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Speaker 3: No, I was in Uh oh my god, what did

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Speaker 3: I say? I was in Montreal. I was in Montreal.

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Speaker 4: I was very jealous because I wanted to come and

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Speaker 4: I didn't get it invite. But it's okay, it's it's okay,

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Speaker 4: it's okay. I got to hang out with some of

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Speaker 1: You know, at least I got to do that.

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Speaker 4: The reason I wanted to ask, because I don't know

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Speaker 1: Everybody started to slowly travel.

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Speaker 4: I've seen it, and I've been very jealous of that,

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Speaker 4: but I'm still kind of weary, especially now all the

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Speaker 4: gonna still wait. But people are traveling and it happened

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Speaker 4: to be a conversation that when we talk about happiness,

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Speaker 4: whe are some of the happy places. Because I was

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Speaker 4: just like women in happiness. That's how I started googling it,

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Speaker 4: and then it showed happiest cities, happiest countries, happiest places

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, so we.

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Speaker 4: Have a few articles and we're not going to read them,

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Speaker 3: All right, Yes, So we wanted to start with this

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Speaker 3: this report. Number one Finland, followed by Denmark, Iceland, Switzerland, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Sweden, Norway, Israel,

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Speaker 4: Finance is twenty. That's surprising. Wait, Italy's not on the

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Speaker 4: We thought this was interesting because this is non gender based.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they asked me that when I was in Canada.

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Speaker 4: There was one country that did score the lowest at

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Speaker 4: I don't doubt that Canada has been on that list.

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Speaker 4: They've been through some things, Ireland has been doing some

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Speaker 1: I really want to go.

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Speaker 4: This is the next adventure I want to have outside

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Speaker 4: of trying to get an RV.

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Speaker 1: I really want RV. Y'all went to look at one

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Speaker 2: It was nice. Oh really, yeah.

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Speaker 4: It was nice because I had this thing happening there

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Speaker 4: But yeah, so yeah, I'm surprised Italy is not on here.

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Speaker 3: Well, I know, like obviously we don't have the numbers

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Speaker 4: It is.

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Speaker 3: So there's just so many factors that go into too

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Speaker 2: I what a year to ask. I mean, I guess

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Speaker 4: Twenty two, the last three years is pretty much all those.

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Speaker 4: So these are based entirely on self perceptions, so that

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Speaker 1: So an interesting.

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Speaker 4: Report for sure, but you know, we had to take

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Speaker 1: We're going backwards on this one. It's okay.

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Speaker 4: Build up's Netherlands, which apparently rate thirty one out of

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Speaker 3: I worked for the European Union for a time for

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Speaker 1: But it was nice.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, apparently some of the things that are great for

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Speaker 4: We know that they're a little more socialists, a lot

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Speaker 4: But maybe that's just me reading into things at where

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Speaker 2: Really, I have no space to be the expert.

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Speaker 1: Really, since you've been there and I have not, this

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Speaker 3: Okay, I was there for a very specific conference. I

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Speaker 2: I don't know, fifty to fifty or maybe a little

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Speaker 1: But so I've also been in Canada.

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Speaker 4: I do have a friend who lives in Canada, and

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Speaker 1: It was in Ontario.

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Speaker 4: I think she's about to move to like Halifax, and

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Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, I gotta go see and green Gables

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Speaker 4: home place. Obviously Prince Edward Island, I have to go

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Obviously I wouldn't know this either because we didn't live

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Speaker 1: As health care and all of that. But it seems nice.

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Speaker 1: I would love that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I feel like this is the problem we're going

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Speaker 3: to run into with this, Samantha, is that we don't

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Speaker 3: live in these places, right.

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Speaker 1: Right, So.

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Speaker 4: If in these places, please tell us about it and

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Speaker 1: Great, sonets us to move there. Please. It doesn't take much, honestly,

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Speaker 1: I will go there.

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Speaker 4: Running away from your problems will never, ever, ever solve anything,

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Speaker 3: Right right ray, And as we've said before, happiness is

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