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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you,
Speaker 2: PM Chatwater with Us had a handwriting analysis in the
Speaker 2: mid sixties that led to a very complete career and
Speaker 2: lifestyle change. She was redirected into public service and innovative
Speaker 2: project development and analysis, and she began intensive research in
Speaker 2: the paranormal and altered states of consciousness. With a professional
Speaker 2: background and hypnotic past life regressions, sensitivity work the haunting
Speaker 2: houses mediumship, she became to specialize in aura, massage, astrology, numerology,
Speaker 2: dream and symbol interpretation, divinatory and earth energy sensing. Back
Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy seven set the stage for severe health
Speaker 2: traumas resulting in death and new death phenomena the following year.
Speaker 2: In an effort to understand what had happened to her
Speaker 2: and what was still happening, she began to seek out
Speaker 2: and interview other new death survivors. MH Atwater back on
Speaker 2: Coast to Coast after about four years, PMH welcome back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been four years. My goodness.
Speaker 2: Hello, how have you been well?
Speaker 3: I'm doing absolutely great.
Speaker 2: Well fantastic in your new book Edgewalker, which you signed
Speaker 2: a very very nice thing to me. I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: Thank you well, I thank you, I thank you very much.
Speaker 3: And by the way, I bring tidings from Sydney Kirkpatrick
Speaker 3: and Mark Anthony, all great people, all saying hello, hello.
Speaker 2: Super people. Can you tell us about your you know,
Speaker 2: and we'll get into Edgewalker in a moment here, but
Speaker 2: tell us PMH about the near death experiences you had.
Speaker 2: How many did you have and what happened?
Speaker 3: I had three? I had three in three months. I
Speaker 3: was raped and it was because of I'm miscarried and
Speaker 3: the complications from the miscarriage, and I physically died three times.
Speaker 3: First one January two, nineteen seventy seven, next one January four,
Speaker 3: and then March twenty nine. Then later that year I
Speaker 3: had three complete collapses. So I can honestly say that
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy seven was not my year and completely turned
Speaker 3: my life around totally.
Speaker 2: And they happened so quickly. I'm one after the other.
Speaker 3: Yes, And in my third one, I was a voice spoke. Yeah,
Speaker 3: how do you describe that kind of voice? It's like
Speaker 3: the whole universe spoke to me. It was not a
Speaker 3: guide or a guardian or any of that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: It was not an angel. It was like the whole
Speaker 3: universe spoke to me and I and it said, and
Speaker 3: I quote test revelation, you are to do the research.
Speaker 3: One book for each death. Book one was not named.
Speaker 3: Book two was that future memory. By the way, it's
Speaker 3: not a book, it is a labyrinth. It is a
Speaker 3: real labyrinth. And then book three a manual for developing humans.
Speaker 3: And by the way, that's good for anybody who wants
Speaker 3: to learn to speak and think differently, and they have
Speaker 3: a lot more fun in your life. And you know,
Speaker 3: that's what I was told to do. And then in
Speaker 3: ohgee that I think it was the next year, when
Speaker 3: I finally left Idaho, I well, I met Elizabeth Koopoler
Speaker 3: Ross at the O'Hare airport. Yeah, she was. She was
Speaker 3: just sitting there waiting on her plane. Her plane was late,
Speaker 3: and I happened to be in the in the airport airport, uh,
Speaker 3: and I saw her. So I went right up to
Speaker 3: her and introduced myself and and you know, said what
Speaker 3: had happened to me? And she said, oh, my goodness,
Speaker 3: we we we need to talk about that. So we
Speaker 3: sat on a bench, the two of us, two of
Speaker 3: us talking like school kids. And she was the one.
Speaker 3: She became my mentor. She was the one who gave
Speaker 3: me the title, the name, but she called yeah near
Speaker 3: death experience. But she said I was a survivor. She
Speaker 3: didn't use the word experience her. I was a survivor
Speaker 3: of the near death experience. And she gave me the
Speaker 3: kind of guidance I guess that I would need to
Speaker 3: have then to start my own research. And my research,
Speaker 3: by the way, was on the near death experience, those
Speaker 3: people who might have had it. And I, you know,
Speaker 3: I grew. I sold everything in Idaho, walked down on
Speaker 3: my life on the very day, by the way that
Speaker 3: I used to become a bank manager. That was a
Speaker 3: big deal then, and I yeah, you know, I quit
Speaker 3: my job, sold my house, my kids chose to go elsewhere,
Speaker 3: and I crossed the United States. By the way, when
Speaker 3: I left Denver, I felt like I'd left the United States,
Speaker 3: and everything east of Denver was in Greece. And I
Speaker 3: made my way to the Washington, DC area, and it
Speaker 3: started my life all over again over there, and I
Speaker 3: gave a talk at a police station. You remember I'm
Speaker 3: a cops kid. I was raised in a police station.
Speaker 3: Sort of in those days you could do that, and
Speaker 3: so I, yeah, they had kind of like a little
Speaker 3: room where, you know, anybody could be there and and
Speaker 3: talk about whatever they wanted to talk about. So I
Speaker 3: talked about my near death experience and what was all over.
Speaker 3: A woman came up to me with stars in her eyes.
Speaker 3: She said, Oh, I wish something like that would happen
Speaker 3: to me so I could be like you. And I
Speaker 3: absolutely froze and I felt like I'd done something wrong.
Speaker 3: And from that moment on, for at least three decades,
Speaker 3: I never talked about my experience at all, because my
Speaker 3: job was to be a researcher, not a personality.
Speaker 2: But you became one of the world's largest experiencers. I mean,
Speaker 2: I remember you and the Larry King show.
Speaker 3: That's back Aways, George, way back.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Research base now is nearly five thousand adults and children.
Speaker 2: Have you ever met Raymond Moody. Oh yeah, he's a
Speaker 2: great Raymond good guy. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: And he opened up a lot of doors in this field,
Speaker 2: didn't he.
Speaker 3: Yeah he did, and still is and.
Speaker 2: So have you, and still am so this book Edgewalker. Oh,
Speaker 2: first of all, why do you call it edge walker? Wow?
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I was guided to call it that.
Speaker 3: And then it's very fitting because I was born like
Speaker 3: maybe three quarters of a mile from the edge of
Speaker 3: Snake River Canyon in southern Idaho.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 3: And so my life as a youngster was often on
Speaker 3: canyon walls. I climb them, and in the deserts, and
Speaker 3: I was all over everywhere.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 3: Very much an outdoor kind of kid and did that
Speaker 3: kind of thing, always on edges. And I came to
Speaker 3: realize my whole life has been like that, George. I've
Speaker 3: always been on the edge of something.
Speaker 2: And it's amazing. Did you just turn eighty six?
Speaker 3: If I can ask you your age, yes you can,
Speaker 3: and yes I did good for you.
Speaker 2: Well, number one, you don't sound eighty six. You sound
Speaker 2: way younger than that.
Speaker 3: Well, well, nobody says I even look like that.
Speaker 2: No you don't, you don't. And how you're feeling. How's
Speaker 2: your health now?
Speaker 3: Great? Absolutely great? I do idea I have to slow
Speaker 3: down just a little bit, but just a little bit,
Speaker 3: and that's it.
Speaker 2: Well, slowing down a little bit that never hurts anybody.
Speaker 2: Now the cover is that basically where you were from
Speaker 2: these mountains that I see, were you in that kind
Speaker 2: of environment?
Speaker 3: That that's my publisher, but he wanted to give the
Speaker 3: idea of canyons, and so that's the cover, the idea
Speaker 3: of canyons and deserts. And because that's my background.
Speaker 2: Well, these near death experiences that you had in nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy seven, what made you think you had them?
Speaker 3: Huh, Well, you don't think about that kind of thing.
Speaker 3: You just you're so totally different, a completely totally different
Speaker 3: that there's no way I can say that I would
Speaker 3: that I'm the same kind of person I was before.
Speaker 3: It ends your life in that sense. Most near death
Speaker 3: experiencers go through all kinds of changes, which I did
Speaker 3: as well. I was able to talk about that afterward.
Speaker 3: You know about twenty one percent of the people, yeah,
Speaker 3: they don't have it, don't go through very much changes.
Speaker 3: But the other seventy nine percent, it's almost as if
Speaker 3: they become another person, because your changes aren't their metabolic
Speaker 3: changes and increase analogies, an increase in sensitivity, breathing, an animois,
Speaker 3: lower blood pressure. I can go on and on and on.
Speaker 3: Your mind changes the way you speak, the way you talk,
Speaker 3: the way you live.
Speaker 2: Everything changes in a big way too, in a big way.
Speaker 2: Have you learned how to cope with the possibility of death?
Speaker 2: Does it scare you anymore?
Speaker 3: Been there? Done that?
Speaker 2: Just walk in the park, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: When I die, I die, that's simple.
Speaker 2: Are you a believer in a heaven and hell concept?
Speaker 3: Well? I found that in my research that people think
Speaker 3: many of them visit a more heavenly or a more
Speaker 3: positive environment afterward, but some people it's just the opposite.
Speaker 3: In my research, went out of seven had a more
Speaker 3: hellish or uncomfortable experience, but the rest of them quite
Speaker 3: the opposite, very positive, some of them extremely positive. And
Speaker 3: you great kind of experience in this in the sense
Speaker 3: that they were able to visit other world some things
Speaker 3: through a very different light and and come back quite different.
Speaker 3: And really it takes it takes sent least seven years,
Speaker 3: seven to ten years to integrate these experiences, because even
Speaker 3: though some people, most people come back in a more
Speaker 3: positive way, it still takes a while to get used
Speaker 3: to these changes. You talk different, you think different. Sometimes
Speaker 3: it's a little scary. I don't care what happened to you.
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's a little scary because of well, when you're
Speaker 3: you live now, many people what is it figures are
Speaker 3: fifty to sixty percent? Well, actually tire that it's in
Speaker 3: the seventy percent have a divorce afterwards.
Speaker 2: After a near death experience. After a near death experience,
Speaker 2: what happens to them? Was it? Do they change?
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're so different, they're so changed.
Speaker 2: They should change for the better. I would guess.
Speaker 3: Yes, changing for the better. But they no longer fit
Speaker 3: where they were before.
Speaker 2: Maybe they don't tolerate as much as they did before.
Speaker 3: Well, let me give you a little example.
Speaker 2: Okay, this one guy.
Speaker 3: He had a near death experience and and it's like
Speaker 3: every woman you see is your is your wife, your sister,
Speaker 3: your daughter, every man you see is your is your
Speaker 3: husband or son or uncle. It's like, it's like you
Speaker 3: love everybody. So he was doing this, but his wife
Speaker 3: thought he was flirting. His wife thought he was behaving
Speaker 3: and misbehaving, and it caused so much problems in the
Speaker 3: in the marriage because the wife was convinced that he
Speaker 3: was he was trying to find someone else, and all
Speaker 3: he was was just loving other people people, being around
Speaker 3: other people. He was happy and wound up in a divorce.
Speaker 2: She couldn't handle it.
Speaker 3: That kind of thing, that you become so different that
Speaker 3: you know, it's kind of hard to be in the
Speaker 3: same relationship.
Speaker 2: Do you think, PMH that everybody should go through in
Speaker 2: your death experience to learn something?
Speaker 3: Well, no, I'm not going to make that kind of
Speaker 3: a statement, Okay, but I am gonn to say wouldn't
Speaker 3: it be wonderful if everybody entertained the fact that that
Speaker 3: there's another way of living and there's another way of
Speaker 3: thinking that's very positive and very good.
Speaker 2: And so good. Yeah, you never forget it to you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wouldn't it be wonderful?
Speaker 2: It is dramatic. Well, you know, the same thing happened
Speaker 2: with doctor Eben Alexander, who were a little snippet for
Speaker 2: your book, Edualker.
Speaker 3: Sure, I know, Evan. It came to me after his
Speaker 3: own experience.
Speaker 2: It changed his life sometime. What it changed his life?
Speaker 3: It changes everybody's life totally. Absolutely, you're not the same
Speaker 3: person you were before. I'm not the same person I
Speaker 3: was before.
Speaker 2: How would you categorize yourself now then as opposed to
Speaker 2: what you were?
Speaker 3: Well, I never thought of that.
Speaker 2: Well, that's because I asked a provocative question.
Speaker 3: I would say that I am happier. I would say
Speaker 3: that I'm more positive, and I would also say that
Speaker 3: I'm hmm, more happy with myself. And I think that's
Speaker 3: a big statement to make when you're happy with yourself. Well, wow, that's.
Speaker 2: A biggie, it's huge.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Where does the devil fit in?
Speaker 3: Well, there's no such thing as the devil.
Speaker 2: To me, you don't believe in that. Yeah, I'll come.
Speaker 3: M There really isn't any any devil in that sense. Rather,
Speaker 3: it's you being tempted by negative thoughts and negative figures
Speaker 3: and negative incidents in your life and being drawn to that.
Speaker 3: You know, if we're gonna look at the devil, then
Speaker 3: look at what's happening right now in the Middle East.
Speaker 2: Horrible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, people who turn to a negative blame life rather
Speaker 3: than trying to get along. Hey, I'll kill you. There's
Speaker 3: the devil.
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