Speaker 1: And with the number one selection in the WNBA Draft
Speaker 1: twenty twenty seven, the Minnesota Links select Julie Tatar and
Speaker 1: the second pick, the Chicago Sky pick Ennis Canter Freedom.
Speaker 1: What the hell is going on with the WNBA? Look
Speaker 1: at the chaos, the brawling. Oh my god, it's all
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Speaker 1: like to have you with us. Boy, we got a
Speaker 1: busy day here today. Uh, what is going on with
Speaker 1: the WNBA. It's like it is it just my algorithm?
Speaker 1: Or has it totally like infested yours? It's everything the
Speaker 1: NBA has always wanted, Right, They're about to be thirty
Speaker 1: years old as a league, and finally everybody's talking about
Speaker 1: the w everybody's watching the WNBA. It's incredible, and they're
Speaker 1: not talking about the skill level or you know, who
Speaker 1: beat whom, or what it's all about. The chaos. It's
Speaker 1: all about the side show and bonjour, Julie Tetar. Can
Speaker 1: you believe, Julie Tetara, This is the only person the
Speaker 1: debate of transgender women playing in the WNBA, playing professional
Speaker 1: women's basketball. This is the only person whom the conversation
Speaker 1: really affects. Right, the sideshow guys like enniscanter Freedom and
Speaker 1: Royce Wilson or White whatever the hell his name is,
Speaker 1: trying to get into the league, you know, after having
Speaker 1: marginal NBA careers, you know, jumping in as a women's player.
Speaker 1: These guys are opportunists, their side show, they're looking for
Speaker 1: something to do. But Julie Teta would a French professional
Speaker 1: player would of course, the French have you know, transgender men,
Speaker 1: women whatever playing women's basketball. But maybe Julie would come
Speaker 1: over and play here. But it probably only affects Julie.
Speaker 1: But it's a great hot button issue, something that the
Speaker 1: the woke left puts out there as a litmus test,
Speaker 1: and now every coach and every player has to speak
Speaker 1: about it. They have to give their opinion about it,
Speaker 1: and basically they have to survive their opinion going public
Speaker 1: before they get you know, called for cancelation. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: all this drama in the WNBA, it's about racial tensions, sism,
Speaker 1: it's about bias and white privilege and all these things
Speaker 1: and at the courts biological men in the w NBA.
Speaker 1: It's a great debate. I mean, it's like it's gathering
Speaker 1: so much attention. Commissioner Kathy Engelbert of the WNBA is
Speaker 1: voicing an official position after a task force of presidents
Speaker 1: and gms of different teams convene this week. Okay, and
Speaker 1: of course these bozos who've announced for the draft cannot
Speaker 1: be taken seriously. There's irony in here, too beautiful irony.
Speaker 1: There are cries of sexism, as some female coaches are
Speaker 1: pissed off that there are too many male coaches in
Speaker 1: the WNBA. Should be more women on the bench than men.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, what coach, you don't want men in
Speaker 1: the league? Little duplicitous. I think that's kind of what
Speaker 1: we're talking about on the court here. The level of
Speaker 1: play in WNBA is obviously vastly inferior to the NBA.
Speaker 1: So all this debate and this discord, is it unfortunate?
Speaker 1: Do we blame the patriarchy? Why? Why is this happening.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you, the whole league seems to have been
Speaker 1: bravatized like the Real Housewives of the WNBA. It's basket
Speaker 1: brawl in full hair and makeup. It reminds me of
Speaker 1: Roller Derby. When I was a kid. I used to
Speaker 1: watch these women just careening around the corner and just
Speaker 1: taking each other out. It was fascinating. You can't take
Speaker 1: your eyes off it. And that seems to be what's
Speaker 1: going on in the WNBA. But what matters here? You know,
Speaker 1: it's entertainment, isn't it. But it seems to be like
Speaker 1: a little WWE and it seems to be a little
Speaker 1: Roller Derby, and of course built around basketball as a game,
Speaker 1: but all these side shows and antics and fights and
Speaker 1: cat fights and you know, her versus her, you know,
Speaker 1: it seems to me that it's kind of the main attraction.
Speaker 1: Now the WNBA has a second star. It was Caitlin
Speaker 1: Clark alone, and now Sophie Cunningham is in there. The
Speaker 1: tall blonde. She is absolutely gorgeous. She's hot, blonde, mouthy, feisty, tailor,
Speaker 1: made for social media. She is if the Real house
Speaker 1: was the NBA was a thing. She's the Bethany Frankel.
Speaker 1: You know, she's got a big mouth, and she's good looking,
Speaker 1: and she's absolutely entertaining. She got mauled in a game
Speaker 1: against Djona Carrington, who plays for the Chicago Sky got
Speaker 1: ejected for what would be called assault and battery if
Speaker 1: it were to happen on the streets somewhere. And by
Speaker 1: the way, apparently Florida. This is extended that the Attorney
Speaker 1: General of Florida has commented on this. The WNBA knows
Speaker 1: better than to play games down here in Florida because
Speaker 1: I'll be charging people with assault. What are you doing
Speaker 1: commenting on the WNBA, sir, go back to work, James Ofthmeyer,
Speaker 1: Attorney General of Florida. This isn't even a Florida team.
Speaker 1: We're talking about Indiana versus Chicago. Leave it to the
Speaker 1: Midwest here, by the way, He then came back and
Speaker 1: corrected himself, as I should clarify assault and battery, he said,
Speaker 1: the referee crew chief for this game where the drama
Speaker 1: was was male and white like Sophie, So of course
Speaker 1: d Jena, after getting ejected from the game, cries white privilege, girl. Please.
Speaker 1: Djona loves beef as much as her thighs on Instagram.
Speaker 1: She is a tremendous self promoter. She's you know, she
Speaker 1: has a history with the white male for now referee
Speaker 1: Roy Gulbaien. She posted in twenty twenty five after he
Speaker 1: ejected her, oh after sorry, he called security because she
Speaker 1: was going after him after the clock when the game
Speaker 1: had ended. He called security on her and she posted
Speaker 1: hashtag micro aggression. Amazingly in this situation, when the altercation
Speaker 1: occurs between Sophie Cunningham and Djona Carrington, Djona gets goes
Speaker 1: back to the locker room, and two minutes before the
Speaker 1: game end, with two minutes left to play, she tweets
Speaker 1: the white privilege. The game is still going on, but
Speaker 1: she has the fortitude to go out and hit Twitter
Speaker 1: and post that it's brilliant. It gets people engaged. But
Speaker 1: the idea that white players get special treatment in the WNBA,
Speaker 1: do you buy that it's three to one black players
Speaker 1: to white players, so I imagine that you know that
Speaker 1: would be outrageous. I don't think that's the case. I
Speaker 1: think it's undisputable that Caitlin Clark is head and shoulders,
Speaker 1: the best athlete on the court, the best player on
Speaker 1: the court, and the best player was Michael Jordan and
Speaker 1: w in NBA and Lebron and they get all the
Speaker 1: attention in the world because they are the best, not
Speaker 1: because they're the black best. Sophie Cunningham has three point
Speaker 1: six million Instagram followers. Djna now has five hundred and
Speaker 1: forty nine thousand. Picking a fight with Sophie Cunningham is
Speaker 1: a brilliant move for Djna Carrington, who, by the way,
Speaker 1: also gorgeous, a gorgeous blod, totally stunning. These two are
Speaker 1: right now, what's drawing in a lot of people? Does
Speaker 1: white chick drama sell more than I don't know, white
Speaker 1: and black or black and black? Does it? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm new to This doesn't seem like it to me.
Speaker 1: Caitlin Collins, the star of the WNBA, just got a
Speaker 1: ridiculous call against her overturned. Is that privilege or is
Speaker 1: that just because the call was absolutely horrible they had
Speaker 1: to overturn it or it would have been you know,
Speaker 1: there would have been calls of racism the other way.
Speaker 1: It was a black baseline judge who made the call
Speaker 1: of a technical foul because she went up for a
Speaker 1: layup and then like literally the ref was underneath the rim.
Speaker 1: She kind of moved out of her way and tapped
Speaker 1: her as she went by, and Caitlyn knew there is
Speaker 1: no way this is going to stand. This technical foul
Speaker 1: and it was her eighth technical foul, which means she
Speaker 1: had to sit out the next game. She said, this
Speaker 1: will be overturned, and it was overturned, and for only
Speaker 1: one reason. It's a shitty call. The Real Housewives of
Speaker 1: the NBA. They need Sophie Cunningham. She's like she's tailor made.
Speaker 1: She's unbelievable. Caitlyn Collins is very good, but she's not
Speaker 1: She can't hold the audience enough, right, She's a little
Speaker 1: boring on the drama side. Sophie Cunningham's unbelievable. How about
Speaker 1: the Donald? Caroline Levitt, the Press Secretarya, for the way
Speaker 1: she's asked in a press conference, hey, has Trump connected
Speaker 1: with Sophie Cunningham because you know they're trying to of course,
Speaker 1: because she speaks in one statement that's a common sense statement.
Speaker 1: Trump usually sees that and says, okay, they're maga. Like
Speaker 1: Spencer Pratty. Tried to make Spencer pratt his They asked
Speaker 1: as Donald reached out to Sophie. It would be very
Speaker 1: you know, Donald sk to reach out and make Sophie
Speaker 1: Cunningham his put her under his tent. No hasn't happened.
Speaker 1: And if you're Sophie Cunningham, believe me, you're sitting there
Speaker 1: going please please, mister president, move on. Do other things?
Speaker 1: Don't come to me. Caitlin Clark is definitely too big
Speaker 1: a star to She's she's what keeps the credibility of
Speaker 1: the w NBA as a sport. She's she's the best
Speaker 1: player by far. She drives the ratings as far as
Speaker 1: basketball goes. But Sophie Cunningham, I mean, she's like a
Speaker 1: defender on the court. She's tough, she's great looking. She
Speaker 1: is central casting here. And this all started when Sophie
Speaker 1: Cunningham said one simple thing. She said to ESPN. I
Speaker 1: want to protect young girls in the locker room or
Speaker 1: girls in sports who shouldn't have to go up against
Speaker 1: biological men. That is exhibit one. Do we have that, Harry?
Speaker 1: Do we have exhibit one?
Speaker 3: I think I said what I said.
Speaker 4: I think it's kind of common sense, and I think
Speaker 4: I'll always believe in that. I think it's really important
Speaker 4: to protect children and that's little girls who are also
Speaker 4: involved in that category. And so I stand on what
Speaker 4: I said, and I always believe that.
Speaker 1: Do you see your Yeah, who's trying to No one
Speaker 1: really disagrees with this, No one serious disagrees with what
Speaker 1: she's saying. But it's like this great litmus test. Like
Speaker 1: I said, it just makes everybody have to come out
Speaker 1: and say what you believe, or you know, see if
Speaker 1: you can survive the next gotcha moment. Every coach is
Speaker 1: shitting her pants when she's sitting in a press conference
Speaker 1: and she's asked about this the next game after Sophie
Speaker 1: Cunningham said this was against the Seattle Storm, and one
Speaker 1: of the co owners, ce Les Keaton, comes out and
Speaker 1: she's berating fans outside the stadium or you know, being
Speaker 1: anti trans Celess got fined by the WNBA for attacking
Speaker 1: fans as she should. She got fined and she has
Speaker 1: to serve a five game suspension home games Suspensionly can't
Speaker 1: like at ten games or something. Yeah, it's not about
Speaker 1: exclusion or hate. It's about fairness. There are absolutely no
Speaker 1: trans men women who become men who play in the NBA.
Speaker 1: That's not going to happen. And there's no chance in
Speaker 1: hell any one of them would survive. But in contrast,
Speaker 1: the NBA player with the least amount of minutes and
Speaker 1: points would be an unbelievable star in the WNBA MVP
Speaker 1: every year. Right, So stop like those who are trying
Speaker 1: to create infighting and tear down every last wall in society.
Speaker 1: These are the people that are actually perpetuating this debate.
Speaker 1: I think the WNBA is you know, they're benefiting from
Speaker 1: it overall. They're getting a lot of attention. But there
Speaker 1: is this movement in our country. I can feel it, right,
Speaker 1: and I guess you call it wokeism or whatever it is,
Speaker 1: but it's people just wanting to tear down every.
Speaker 3: Wall.
Speaker 1: And I don't mean wall that means locks somebody out,
Speaker 1: but every bit of structural support as a society we
Speaker 1: can rely on to hold us together. Right, every statue
Speaker 1: of it's the same people, a statue of a Civil
Speaker 1: War general, Oh my god, they were a terrible racist
Speaker 1: or something else. Tear down the statue, tear rewrite our
Speaker 1: history so much shame, Like, who are these people that
Speaker 1: try to do that? And it's such a small group.
Speaker 1: We all know that it's a small loud group. But
Speaker 1: it's effective. So Sophie Cunningham's statement in defense of girls,
Speaker 1: as she said, has prompted the typical role call around
Speaker 1: the league, right, the highly pressurized where do you stand?
Speaker 1: We need to hear from you and then we'll decide
Speaker 1: whether or not to run you out of business. Here
Speaker 1: is coach Cheryl Reeve of the Minnesota Lynx, right, she
Speaker 1: came out wearing this shirt trans kids belong. Okay, that's
Speaker 1: a hedge. Do trans athletes belong in your league? She
Speaker 1: thinks that she can virtue signal here and she's been
Speaker 1: accounted for, and then she can, you know, slide back
Speaker 1: into the background. But you know, this is a woman
Speaker 1: who is actively complaining to the press that men are
Speaker 1: taking WNBA coaching jobs. So what about them taking you know,
Speaker 1: positions in the starting lineup? Would it help if the
Speaker 1: coaches wore pleated pantsuits? By the way, the Fever are
Speaker 1: gonna need some dudes on their team to protect Sophie Cunningham,
Speaker 1: who's getting mauled while she protects against Caitlin Clark. And
Speaker 1: I mean, look at this is the foul that everybody's
Speaker 1: talking about. She got absolutely banged in the face with
Speaker 1: an elbow it. It's blatant no protection or backup from
Speaker 1: Sophie's own coach. By the way, the Indiana Fever coach,
Speaker 1: Stephanie White, she was one of the people who had
Speaker 1: to take to a press conference. She was asked about
Speaker 1: her feelings about the issue, and the verbal diarrhea that
Speaker 1: escaped this woman's mouth is indicative of the looming fear
Speaker 1: of cancelation. It's alive and well. Listen to coach White
Speaker 1: here of the Fever.
Speaker 3: Well that I would say that I'm educated enough from
Speaker 3: a scientific standpoint, I don't ever believe that exclusion is
Speaker 3: an answer.
Speaker 1: I just don't.
Speaker 3: I do think, you know, when we think about various
Speaker 3: levels of sport, various governing bodies of sport, and things
Speaker 3: that go into that, Like I said, I'm not I'm
Speaker 3: not educated enough at the different levels. I know growing up,
Speaker 3: I played with the boys.
Speaker 1: All the time sports. Would you welcome a biological mail
Speaker 1: in w n B A.
Speaker 3: Again, It's like, I don't know when we talk about
Speaker 3: biological mail and scientifically where we are. I think it's
Speaker 3: a totally different scenario. You know, as I said, I'm
Speaker 3: not educated enough. And in terms of trans transgender and
Speaker 3: transitioning to give you.
Speaker 4: Mensor.
Speaker 3: I would say though that I just don't feel like
Speaker 3: exclusion is an answer, and I think that we need
Speaker 3: to have deeper, more layered conversations.
Speaker 1: What got that off rapp right there? I think exclusions there, well,
Speaker 1: I need and out. She goes, uh, yeah, that was unhewful.
Speaker 1: But listen, I empathize with her because everybody's did this
Speaker 1: is a litmus test. Like I said, this is just
Speaker 1: about a gotcha. It's a gotcha question meant to drive
Speaker 1: social media and Coach White could go up in flames.
Speaker 1: I think Coach White will be coaching the next game.
Speaker 1: That was a satisfactor. It was a terrible answer, but
Speaker 1: you know, you survived. But you know, she's scared to
Speaker 1: support her player in this case. I think also because
Speaker 1: the woman that gave her the big elbow is a
Speaker 1: black player, and she went out of her way in
Speaker 1: the same press conference to to you know, compliment Dja
Speaker 1: Carrington for her tough play. And she's a great she's
Speaker 1: a great athlete, and but we just love you know, boy,
Speaker 1: she plays hard and all this stuff. Why why it's
Speaker 1: too bad you're the coach of the team. You should
Speaker 1: say what the hell was that? Who's talking about Sophie Cunny.
Speaker 1: Sophie Cunningham is getting hit everywhere like Caitlyn Collins. Here's
Speaker 1: another anti woke and WNBA coach, Natalie Nicassi from the
Speaker 1: Golden State Valkyries.
Speaker 3: Here's her all about women, little girls deserving to play,
Speaker 3: and that includes trans women.
Speaker 1: So I'm all about inclusivity. Ooh, there you go. She's
Speaker 1: all about trans women playing in your league. Really, Natalie,
Speaker 1: are you really? I hope her players like approach her
Speaker 1: in the locker room and say, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: What are you doing? Virtue signaling? Check? Look at me?
Speaker 1: You're going to invite trans players again, It's not a
Speaker 1: lot of people. Julie Tetar would definitely play in the league.
Speaker 1: I'm not if you want to like look Commissioner Kathy Engelberg, right,
Speaker 1: this is a giant headache for her of the WNBA,
Speaker 1: although she should be very excited that a lot of
Speaker 1: attention is on the league. Next year will be the
Speaker 1: third anniversary of the WNBA, and it is a lot
Speaker 1: people are talking about it and going to games and
Speaker 1: participating in the drama. Sadly, a lot of it is
Speaker 1: real housewives, you know, basketbawl and not just you know
Speaker 1: who shot how many three pointers? But this should be
Speaker 1: easy for the commissioner, who's convening a task force this
Speaker 1: week to talk about this, which is it's such a joke.
Speaker 1: I think it's just you know, to say we did.
Speaker 1: But the IOC, the International Olympic Committee, just banned trans
Speaker 1: athletes from competition. They will give genetic testing. I think
Speaker 1: the WNBA can just draft in behind that. They're the one,
Speaker 1: they're a bigger governing body, and they're international and they
Speaker 1: have said this is bullshit, it's not happening. So all
Speaker 1: you can do you can defer to them, tuck in
Speaker 1: behind their way. Can do a little genetic testing too.
Speaker 1: I say to Enniscanter Freedom, who wants to play. He
Speaker 1: wants to register for the twenty twenty seven WNBA draft,
Speaker 1: And Royce White who wants to register, Okay, chop off
Speaker 1: your twig and berries. You don't just get to put
Speaker 1: on a dress and heels, Ennis, you gotta chop off
Speaker 1: the twig and berries if you want to play. And
Speaker 1: if you do that, I don't know, I'm tempted to
Speaker 1: let the guy. I mean, that's a major sacrifice they'd
Speaker 1: better not be junk underneath that dress my friend's if
Speaker 1: you want to, although nice legs on enniscanther freedom. So
Speaker 1: Kathy Engelbert, in a leaked memo nothing is leaked by accident,
Speaker 1: went out to all the teams acknowledge there have been
Speaker 1: a lot of questions lately about the transgender athletes in
Speaker 1: women's basketball issue. She said, this is a complex and
Speaker 1: nuanced issue, is it really? We're gonna hold discussions and
Speaker 1: listening sessions for any and all who want to discuss.
Speaker 1: That'll be a very small zoom as soon as you say, hey,
Speaker 1: we're all getting together to talk about this. We'd rather
Speaker 1: just like post a loud tweet about it. But we're
Speaker 1: not actually interested in the discussion. The intellectualism of it all. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the task Force is convening its presidents and gms
Speaker 1: this week. It's an already scheduled meeting, they say, but
Speaker 1: they'll get into it now. The WNBA Players Association, the
Speaker 1: other official statement, said, we embrace justice and DEI diversity,
Speaker 1: equity and inclusion. Those are the values that unite this
Speaker 1: union and allow it to protect women's sports while creating
Speaker 1: transformational change. Word salid word salid word salid. Hate abuse
Speaker 1: and demonization of any person or group of people, including
Speaker 1: transgender people, only fuel fear, division, and harm will continue
Speaker 1: to have hard conversations, but will not be used as
Speaker 1: political pawns. This is, you know, you take a larger stance.
Speaker 1: This is it's a greater mission. Hate abuse, demonization of
Speaker 1: any person or group of people, including transgender people, only
Speaker 1: fuel fear. Look, this is just about fairness, right. There's
Speaker 1: a reason why women's professional tennis players don't play men's tennis.
Speaker 1: It's just fairness. How about Obama. I gotta say this
Speaker 1: is a good look for Obama. He's not weighing in
Speaker 1: on the issue, but he's just a plain and simply
Speaker 1: a Caitlin Clark fan. And you know, I probably some
Speaker 1: black players aren't going to love this, but please remember
Speaker 1: Obama is Switzerland. He is half black and he is
Speaker 1: half white, so he is racial Switzerland. He is allowed
Speaker 1: to come and he just likes Caitlin Clark sore at
Speaker 1: an event, and he was super excited and encouraged her
Speaker 1: to like keep up the tough skin. Exhibit six.
Speaker 2: Obama, how are you yeah really nice to me? Oh hey, Caitlyn,
Speaker 2: how are you really nice to meet you. You're great,
Speaker 2: You're fantastic. Don't let all this nonsense get you back. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, I always say.
Speaker 5: One of the things that was luckiest for me was
Speaker 5: I didn't get famous to a lot like forty five,
Speaker 5: so I was the old ass man. I mean, you're
Speaker 5: my daughter. Say you're not to have that much sue. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you know, person nonsense, So don't lose that joy. The
Speaker 5: game's like again, yeah, and you're a hooper and either
Speaker 5: sometimes you always heard and you're on a nice little
Speaker 5: run right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, come on, that's very presidential. That's very
Speaker 1: old bull. Been there, done that, you know, seeing that,
Speaker 1: and you know there's no colors in all of this.
Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark is totally targeted by everybody in the league,
Speaker 1: but she drives the league and that pisses off a
Speaker 1: lot of people. But he loves it. He loves her fight,
Speaker 1: he loves her ability. She gets back up. That was cool.
Speaker 1: You know, that's not a political moment. Whenever there is
Speaker 1: an uproar though, or like you know, chaos or something
Speaker 1: a row, you know, in the public sphere, there are
Speaker 1: those ready to capitalize and exploit. We laughed about Royce White,
Speaker 1: who wants to register for the WNBA twenty twenty seven draft.
Speaker 1: He's a former NBA player and not that great. He also,
Speaker 1: by the way, is wanting to run for US Senate.
Speaker 1: So he's just got two whatever comes first, right, running
Speaker 1: for senator or WNBA power Forward. I'll take either one, Royce.
Speaker 1: We appreciate your hustle, but that's opportunism right there. But
Speaker 1: there are other people getting in on the act, and
Speaker 1: you know a lot of guys like it. The manisphere
Speaker 1: is loving this action. Dave Portnoy from Barstool Sports. He
Speaker 1: loves this whole topic. Ex players love it. As you
Speaker 1: saw OutKick Sports. Clay Travis is putting his money where
Speaker 1: his mouth is. Ten million dollars. He said he will
Speaker 1: give ten million to any WNBA team who can beat
Speaker 1: the high school boys state champion of your choice. Any
Speaker 1: state you choose could beat you know, Maine, Rhode Island, Delaware,
Speaker 1: small places. The truth is he's right right, Most boys
Speaker 1: high school state champions I think would win over a
Speaker 1: WNBA team. Also, you have to decide what size ball
Speaker 1: you're going to be using, because the women use a
Speaker 1: six and the NBA uses a seven. So you know
Speaker 1: you got to work that out, but I would say
Speaker 1: a second of your time, sir, as you talk about size, Eric, yes,
Speaker 1: you'll make it quick please, I'm on ah.
Speaker 2: The size of walls so six, like the size of
Speaker 2: your shoe is what you're saying, like versus my eleven.
Speaker 1: Sixth Okay, moving forward here, I don't know what that was.
Speaker 1: The amazing thing here is it's drawing all kinds of commentary.
Speaker 1: You know, Klay Travis means it. He says, he means it.
Speaker 1: So if we is it too much of a side
Speaker 1: show to have a boys state champion team from America,
Speaker 1: you know, like anywhere in the country take on a
Speaker 1: WNBA team. It's diminishing. I think it's certainly pissed off
Speaker 1: this local sports anchor, Jenna Shortel from very liberal Minnesota.
Speaker 1: Here we go.
Speaker 3: They veiled sexist show, revealing the actual truth of how
Speaker 3: he and his organization feel about women's sports.
Speaker 1: It's not about caring about them. They think women's sports
Speaker 1: chok Well, Jenna, I think it's not Clay Travis that
Speaker 1: started making a joke out of all of this. It's
Speaker 1: it's the w n b A is allowing it. Right,
Speaker 1: They're allowing this to be a joke. They're encouraging it.
Speaker 1: Seems it's a whole circus. I call it the bravatization
Speaker 1: of the w n b A. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: Clay Travis. I really don't anyway. Move over, Barack Obama.
Speaker 1: Zoran Kwame Mamdani abdul Raman Mohammad al Sayad has taken stage,
Speaker 1: the center stage. He is the new Senate candidate from Michigan.
Speaker 1: What is happening on the lefts of this country. I
Speaker 1: don't know. How did free Palestine become a litmus test
Speaker 1: for the careening left of the Democrat Party. I'm watching it.
Speaker 1: It's unbelievable. Somebody brilliant but evil looped in all of
Speaker 1: liberalism under the Palestinian flag. It's now the symbol of intersectionality.
Speaker 1: Right party implosion is guaranteed. Here's what the crazy lefties
Speaker 1: are selling to the normal lefties. We cannot be free
Speaker 1: until Palestine is free. We who's we? That's gays, that's
Speaker 1: trans that's Muslim Muslim Americans. I don't think black people
Speaker 1: are down with this. I don't think this whole It's
Speaker 1: got to be free Palestine as a litmus test to
Speaker 1: be a Democrat right two weeks after October seventh, stop
Speaker 1: the genocide encampments take over elite university campuses. I don't
Speaker 1: understand how that happens. How do you end old school
Speaker 1: black white racial tension. I think this is the answer.
Speaker 1: Send in so oh many crazies that misery finds company.
Speaker 1: We're bonded together. Is the impending radical Islamization of America
Speaker 1: a real thing? Ben Shapiro's putting it out there like
Speaker 1: this has happened? Or is it the algorithm scaring the
Speaker 1: shit out of you? I don't know. Have the majority
Speaker 1: resident you know, US government hating American Muslims of dearborn
Speaker 1: Michigan taken over your algorithm or mine? Is that real?
Speaker 1: Is that designed to scare? I don't know? Should we
Speaker 1: should you? If you are, you know, should you be
Speaker 1: shitting your pants? I can't tell if big tech is
Speaker 1: just fueling all this stuff, you know, how hateful it is,
Speaker 1: how much of a threat there is to America, or
Speaker 1: if it's just you know, technology out of control. Does
Speaker 1: anyone have a real feeling on that? I can't. I
Speaker 1: don't know. It's a question. It's the final arrow. Social
Speaker 1: media tech companies as we know award They reward hate, crazy, divisive,
Speaker 1: violent commentary, and they're feeding it to us like crack MySpace.
Speaker 1: Did you hear about this? MySpace is relaunching algorithm free.
Speaker 1: It scrolls in order, is what they're saying. It doesn't
Speaker 1: just feed you sh It doesn't detect what you're afraid
Speaker 1: of and hit you with it over and over again
Speaker 1: to make you more afraid. It just scrolls in order.
Speaker 1: Problem is, that's like asking someone to voluntarily quit heroin.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Like, yeah, I know it's
Speaker 1: not good for me, but you know people don't do that.
Speaker 1: Problem is you can't turn away. That's why it works.
Speaker 1: So where is elected leadership on this? I don't know.
Speaker 1: Doesn't this have to go to Congress? Doesn't tech have
Speaker 1: to be We're all worried about, you know, superintelligence and AI,
Speaker 1: but the algorithm on social media is I think more poisonous.
Speaker 1: One is dangerous, the other's poisonous. Okay, we're going to
Speaker 1: talk about Amy Griffin.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 1: Has Amy Griffin issued NDAs to all of the key
Speaker 1: players in this ordeal that she's in? And does it
Speaker 1: matter because NDAs don't stand up under subpoena? So a
Speaker 1: few things are at the top of my mind. Real Claudia,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I've texted with her. I
Speaker 1: know who she is. She's playful, she's got a personality.
Speaker 1: I don't feel badly for her at this point because
Speaker 1: she said it herself and Amy's put it in her
Speaker 1: book and in her declarations that nothing happened to her.
Speaker 1: She doesn't connect with Amy and nothing happened in middle school.
Speaker 1: She was not abused. I don't understand why she doesn't.
Speaker 1: She won't, you know, engage with me or anyone. But
Speaker 1: I can tell you this, she will if she is subpoenad.
Speaker 1: I think she's a good law abiding citizen and she
Speaker 1: will participate. And if the case goes forward, she absolutely
Speaker 1: will be subpoena. I think Amy's friends, from what I understand,
Speaker 1: are telling her get out of this thing. You don't
Speaker 1: want this to go forward. There is no win here.
Speaker 1: But how does it? What's the off ramp for Amie?
Speaker 1: You know? Can she has? She issued NDAs and compensated
Speaker 1: people for it. Apparently James in the book, if you
Speaker 1: read the tell James is the guy who, at twenty
Speaker 1: years old or so, when she was studying in Europe,
Speaker 1: or had a job in Europe for the summer that
Speaker 1: this guy you know was there and he graped her
Speaker 1: a date. Grape is the way she writes about it. There.
Speaker 1: I've heard from a source that he has an NDA
Speaker 1: and was likely paid for that this was a guy
Speaker 1: who was They remained friends after the grape at twenty
Speaker 1: years old. They remained friends for the next thirty almost
Speaker 1: thirty years of life. Family friends, family vacations together, the
Speaker 1: whole thing. And then when she was writing the book,
Speaker 1: She's like, wait a minute, I can't be friends with
Speaker 1: this person. You know, I can't overlook what happened here.
Speaker 1: I'm not that much of a people pleaser. I got
Speaker 1: to get rid of this person in my life and
Speaker 1: just cut them off. He had sent her an email
Speaker 1: that said, Hey, I'm going on vacation with the kids,
Speaker 1: and you know everything about this particular area. Can you
Speaker 1: give me some advice? And she was like hm hm,
Speaker 1: And she writes in the book, I stood up for
Speaker 1: myself finally, and I just said no, and I deleted
Speaker 1: his email and never responded. I've texted this guy several times.
Speaker 1: He does not respond at all. The real person, But
Speaker 1: question is, did he sign an NDA. The coach, the
Speaker 1: volleyball coach who's a very central character in the book.
Speaker 1: A source from Amy's Austin Middle School, her Boston Middle
Speaker 1: school class, whom I spoke with, confirms that she definitely
Speaker 1: did says that she signed an NDA, which makes you
Speaker 1: wonder did mister Mason in the book the teacher the
Speaker 1: ultimate alleged assailant here, the worst person that ever lived,
Speaker 1: the person she alleges did such horrible, violent and graphic
Speaker 1: things to her when she was a child. Did that guy,
Speaker 1: what is your reputation worth? Did he sign an NDA?
Speaker 1: Did he take money for to disappear and not talk?
Speaker 1: Or apparently the guy lives in Amarilla and many people
Speaker 1: know his real name, me included. But I mean, what's
Speaker 1: it worth to you? Would you taken it? Would you
Speaker 1: take money? Would you take an NDA? Would you sign
Speaker 1: an NDA and get paid? However many million? What's it
Speaker 1: worth for people to look at you in the grocery
Speaker 1: store and say, I mean, I don't know if I
Speaker 1: don't think he did, but like what if he did?
Speaker 1: And that kind of wherever you go, it's not that
Speaker 1: big a town. Our friend Katie and k C, who
Speaker 1: I noticed in the comments section is second ago. She's
Speaker 1: a top sleuth in the biz. She discussed the postcard issue.
Speaker 1: I know this is a little old, but for me
Speaker 1: it's worth repeating because I haven't yet. It's pretty good.
Speaker 1: Jane Doe contends in her lawsuit that Amy coordinated a
Speaker 1: meeting in Palm Springs in twenty nineteen between the two
Speaker 1: of them. Totally random. Reaches out and says, yo, let's
Speaker 1: get together, and Amy denies that she was ever in
Speaker 1: the area in twenty nineteen twenty eighteen. She says, I
Speaker 1: and haven't been there either of the years surrounding that.
Speaker 1: But Jane Doe says, yes, they did meet, and at
Speaker 1: the end of the meeting, Amy bought two postcards and
Speaker 1: suggested that the two of them mail each other postcards
Speaker 1: to stay in touch. Well, that's written about in the book, right,
Speaker 1: But both gave each other the post guard with their
Speaker 1: addresses on it. It's kind of cute, like you would
Speaker 1: do with another kid at camp or something. And the
Speaker 1: post guard is a black and white postcard with their
Speaker 1: addresses on it. The postcard is black and white. It's
Speaker 1: taken in It's a picture of taken in nineteen sixty
Speaker 1: four by Gary Winnigram, and it's depicting kids playing on
Speaker 1: a fence inside It's like in the Bronx in New York.
Speaker 1: In the tell the postcard that Amy anonymously receives includes
Speaker 1: a quote attributed to Amy, you know circle the second grid,
Speaker 1: But on the postcard it says Amy in the seventh grade.
Speaker 1: The question about the postcard is in contention, right. The
Speaker 1: stamp on the card indicates that it was postmarked in
Speaker 1: New York. And you know, either a piece of mail
Speaker 1: that has a New York stamp on it was either
Speaker 1: processed in the area or sent from the area. And
Speaker 1: what Katie and KC was able to do is find
Speaker 1: out that in twenty nineteen at the thirtieth Annual Palm
Speaker 1: Springs Film Festival, it was showing a documentary there called
Speaker 1: Gary Winnigrad All Things Are Photographable? Is that a coincidence? Right?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 1: Were they selling postcards in the area or did they
Speaker 1: put up free postcards in different cafes and restaurants to
Speaker 1: promote the screening for Gary Winnegran's you Know documentary. Katie
Speaker 1: says she's willing to bet money that that is exactly
Speaker 1: where Amy got her postcard. Pretty interesting. Also, there was
Speaker 1: up there's Katie right there, her commenting her off ramp
Speaker 1: is to try to get claims dismissed with the demuror
Speaker 1: that's on the table. Otherwise it's discovery and then the
Speaker 1: MSJA and that would be catastrophic. Yeah, no kidding, Right,
Speaker 1: she's got it. What is the way to get out
Speaker 1: of this? Where's the real offer? How do you say? Look,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna settle this because I would just say, I
Speaker 1: come to believe I know what happened to me, and
Speaker 1: I don't need to go and get into a courtroom
Speaker 1: to defend myself. And I think something happened to this
Speaker 1: nice person, Joe Lean too, And I'm going to give
Speaker 1: her some money because I think I want her to
Speaker 1: find some happy And I'm also going to give money
Speaker 1: to this you know, this Father's ranch where she worked
Speaker 1: with children who are victims of you know, adult sa.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give money to that program because it's doing
Speaker 1: valuable work. And you know, just pay the right people
Speaker 1: or give but never admit fault. You can a lot
Speaker 1: of money can do that. And from what I understand,
Speaker 1: her friends are encouraging her to do that. Hoh speaking
Speaker 1: of friend if you've ever have you wondered where Sam
Speaker 1: Lansky is the ghost writer for Amy's to tell We
Speaker 1: have located Sam. Early this morning Eastern time. Sam posted
Speaker 1: this on his story. There he is with Lindsey vonn
Speaker 1: in it looks like the Mediterranean. They're living a beautiful summer.
Speaker 1: There's Sam Lansky. What's interesting is Amy Griffin is really
Speaker 1: good friends with Lindsay von So in her cabal of
Speaker 1: a list friends is Lindsay von They're together at the
Speaker 1: you know time one Amy lin Yvonne posted to my
Speaker 1: best friend, Amy, You're the most amazing person what you've
Speaker 1: been through. You are the face of courage. And this
Speaker 1: is at the time one hundred. Amy Griffin was picked
Speaker 1: for the Most Influential list and so she and Lindsay
Speaker 1: have been together and of course they went to the
Speaker 1: morning show premiere for Apple TV because she's super tight
Speaker 1: with Reese Witherspoon. You know, Lindsay and Amy were posing together.
Speaker 1: They're super tight friends. So there's Sam Lansky. The question
Speaker 1: is is Amy Griffin with them like I don't know?
Speaker 1: Or is Sam now just like so enamored? And Amy
Speaker 1: has a huge bank account and lots of fancy friends.
Speaker 1: If you're Sam Lansky, you are with her until the end.
Speaker 1: But Sam, remember is still in the lawsuit. It's Jane
Speaker 1: Doe versus Amy Griffin. Sam Lansky and no longer Penguin
Speaker 1: Publishing dial Press. They were dismissed the suit. And on
Speaker 1: that note, I read a article a couple of days
Speaker 1: ago in the Wall Street Journal about the editor in
Speaker 1: chief of dial Press, a very impressive woman named Whitney Frick.
Speaker 1: She runs dial Press. She's badass, she's you know, she
Speaker 1: just looks. She's great looking, she's intelligent, the glasses chic,
Speaker 1: and very very successful. She runs a hell of an imprint.
Speaker 1: She had a great rise in the business. She used
Speaker 1: to you know, she worked at Scribner for years as
Speaker 1: an editor on the rise, and then she made some
Speaker 1: excellent picks. She picked Annapolitano's Hello Beautiful book was a
Speaker 1: giant success. Then she picked Glennon Doyle's Untamed Right story
Speaker 1: of Glennon Doyle going from a Christian mommy blogger to
Speaker 1: the wife of Abby Wambach. Whitney Frick and her imprint
Speaker 1: have been dismissed from the lawsuit, as you know, But
Speaker 1: and she's been mostly silent she's not defending Amy, but
Speaker 1: in this Wall Street Journal article she says a few things, So,
Speaker 1: like a book editor myself, let's grade her comments. First,
Speaker 1: she's sort of passively aggressively presenting Amy as a victim
Speaker 1: of the times. Right. She says, we live in a
Speaker 1: culture now more than ever, where any person can be
Speaker 1: a keyboard warrior, and there's nothing more valuable online than
Speaker 1: having a hot take, particularly takes against women. She says,
Speaker 1: if you achieve a certain level of success and cultural influence,
Speaker 1: there will be people who will want to make controversy
Speaker 1: around it. That's a predictable, sort of lazy comment for
Speaker 1: someone so intelligent and running such a big I think
Speaker 1: that's obviously true sometimes. But in this case, some lives
Speaker 1: have been definitely destroyed and a lawsuit has been filed
Speaker 1: by a credible person, So I don't know. I give
Speaker 1: that a c that comment only because sometimes it is true.
Speaker 1: Then she speaks on the justification for dial Press's dismissal
Speaker 1: from the Jane Doe lawsuit. She says, we do not
Speaker 1: assume responsibility for formal fact checking. That's the author's responsibility.
Speaker 1: Book publishers are not investigators. I trust my authors. I
Speaker 1: give her a bat plus for that comment. Fair enough.
Speaker 1: They can't be the FBI too, right. Amy's got lawyers,
Speaker 1: she's got fact checkers, she's writing her book. They are
Speaker 1: there to amplify the story. So I'm with you on that.
Speaker 1: On her role in all of this, she said, a
Speaker 1: memoir is a narrative of the meaning an author has
Speaker 1: made from their experiences, and the writer of the article
Speaker 1: says she looked visibly frustrated by the line of questioning. Here,
Speaker 1: Whitney says, when the author tells this is what happened
Speaker 1: to me, I work to help them make sure that
Speaker 1: the meaning they draw from those experiences is clear. So
Speaker 1: not like the literal experiences, but the meaning they get
Speaker 1: from it. It's kind of like the MDMA thing, right,
Speaker 1: Like these are it's symbolism. It's what I feel in
Speaker 1: all of this should it be taken literally. So here
Speaker 1: she's kind of distancing herself from Amy in a subtle,
Speaker 1: subtle as way as possible, and sort of emphasizing like
Speaker 1: individual responsibility unless unless she coaxed, oh, coerced you know,
Speaker 1: Amy in the editing, which she did not. Pretty good comment.
Speaker 1: As for the scrutiny that the tell has received, Whitney
Speaker 1: Frick says, there's the conversation out there, and then there
Speaker 1: are the conversations that are small and happening with individual readers,
Speaker 1: And those are the conversations I try to focus on. Okay,
Speaker 1: I have to say, when three men's lives have been
Speaker 1: all but destroyed, perhaps compensated for effectively ruined because of
Speaker 1: unsubstantiated or corroborated accusations, you got to be a little
Speaker 1: more concerned with the ramifications of the book, if not liable. Right,
Speaker 1: her entire career is miss Frick, by the way, her
Speaker 1: entire career is harnessing the awakenings and the transformations you know,
Speaker 1: through challenging times of the female experience. That's that's that's
Speaker 1: what she's here for. So but if lives have been affected,
Speaker 1: I think it, You know, it matters more. There are
Speaker 1: real consequences here, and that's what you know I've said
Speaker 1: all along is my only interest in this is that
Speaker 1: one lives have been affected in a real way. And
Speaker 1: I am the supporter of a and this loved one
Speaker 1: who has been through what was written about here in
Speaker 1: a terrible way. And you know that that's that's deeply
Speaker 1: personal and also psychedelic assisted therapy can help a lot
Speaker 1: of people, but it really has to be treated carefully.
Speaker 1: You can't it's fragile to become legal in this country.
Speaker 1: There's a there's a fragility around it that can't be
Speaker 1: tampered with.
Speaker 4: Here.
Speaker 1: You can't just you know this, This, I think is
Speaker 1: setting it back in the literati. All the people that
Speaker 1: promoted the book still silent, haven't said a word, haven't
Speaker 1: come forward, none of the big interviewers. I gather from
Speaker 1: sources in the middle that many are advising Amy to
Speaker 1: exit the deal, like I said, to Settle, to get
Speaker 1: out of this. They're worried that it's gone too far.
Speaker 1: And at this point it's like, as you know, if
Speaker 1: you know me, Lance Armstrong syndrome, how do you get
Speaker 1: out of this? How do you get out of it?
Speaker 1: And what I said before was all they can come
Speaker 1: up with. I think you have to say, you know,
Speaker 1: it's now become a side show. I want to give
Speaker 1: a lot of money to those who have been who
Speaker 1: are victims like me, insist that it's still you and
Speaker 1: also include Joe Lene. Try to bridge a gap here
Speaker 1: and try to create some type of it's going to
Speaker 1: cost you try to create an alliance and it might
Speaker 1: cost you more than you wanted to. But I think there,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe that will help and to give to
Speaker 1: those who are not known around the country to causes
Speaker 1: like that and just say that's the bigger issue here.
Speaker 1: We don't want to be a side show that might
Speaker 1: get her out. But again, sort of like the like Liveliest,
Speaker 1: you'll never get your answer right and if that's important
Speaker 1: to you then but again that's the privilege of money
Speaker 1: right there. I think, all right, Uh, that's it for
Speaker 1: us today. Gotta get out on a picnic, Gotta get
Speaker 1: out and remind me to put my sun's screen on. Jesus,
Speaker 1: my face is like a tomato, like a like a
Speaker 1: boiled lobster. Anyway, hit subscribe, hit notification bell, Thanks for
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