1 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: I mean some people would say it was Beyonce's mus 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:10,959 Speaker 1: while she was writing Lemonade. I mean I was Guttenberg's 3 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: mus when he invented the printing pass. It's so unusual 4 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: that you've experienced something in pop culture that I haven't, 5 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,639 Speaker 1: and something like consistently you have told me is that 6 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: I needed to watch Obsessed, starring Beyonce nals Carter. I 7 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 1: have said it, and which Beyonce kills a woman who 8 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: is trying to steal her husband um with a chandelier 9 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: from a Fandilier chandelier. And so Fran I finally watched 10 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: Obsessed last night. My god, Yes, and we're going to 11 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 1: talk about Obsessed and also maybe like some other psycho 12 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: sexual thrillers like yeah, like a fatal Attraction, basic instinct 13 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: based on the girl, the invention of the psycho herod 14 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: and woman exactly exactly, because this is like a virgin 15 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 1: where we give yesterday's pop culture today's takes. I'm ros 16 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: Damo and I'm Fran Toronto, and by the end of 17 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: this episode I will have killed Fran with a chandelier. Well, 18 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: I mean that's kind of most episodes, to be honest, 19 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: because I'm what the Phantom of the Opera, Franny, What 20 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: did you do this weekend? So I saw our boys 21 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: in Muna perform Silk Chiffon to the Staples Stadium which 22 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: is now known as the Crypto dot Com Stadium, but 23 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: like it was a stadium, which is the most important 24 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: part of the Crypto dot Com Stadium. That's amazing, Yeah 25 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: it is. I was so happy to see that song 26 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: performed such a huge audience. Like I'm so proud of 27 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: Muna and everything they've done so far. And that's as 28 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: you know, we just look love it so hard, sick 29 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: cheff on and you were in the music video speaking 30 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: so truly a full circle moment. And let me tell you, 31 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: speaking of uncle hat you have you seen Casey musgraveson 32 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: concert before? Wouldn't care to to be honest, Okay, so 33 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: I may change your opinion on that. You won't. Okay, 34 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: love that love love love. How malleable you are. This 35 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: is not is not a yes and to day this 36 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: is a note, but day and I accept that. I 37 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: accept you where you are. Um, Casey is she's a 38 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: very chill performer. She's a chill girl, she's a stoner. 39 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: She doesn't I was boring. No, no, no, that's not 40 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: what I'm trying to say. I'm saying that you wouldn't 41 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: expect her to pull out all the stops for a 42 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: stadium tour, like you think she might just do it straight. However, 43 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: she did pull out seven all stops um and I 44 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: will also say Casey's voice is perfection Crystalline performed live, 45 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: she sounds exactly like the recording she is like. I 46 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: think her voice is very simple. I don't mean simple 47 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: as a dig I mean that she is very much 48 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,239 Speaker 1: like a country star and that she's not like wailing 49 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: on her songs. It's like a very heart felt, like 50 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: clear tone. It's very pure, and so I would imagine 51 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 1: that that that that translates really well to live performance. Yeah, 52 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: it did, because she's not pulling in Adena Manzell and 53 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: doing something in the booth that she can't do on stage. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, 54 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: that's exactly a t But she was amazing, and so 55 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: I had just have to describe a few moments for you. 56 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: First of all, hit me. Halfway through she goes, oh, yeah, 57 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: like we're gonna do casey Oki and I have a 58 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: list of four songs, and one of you can pick 59 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: the song that we're going to do a karaoke two together, 60 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: which I thought was so cute. And she pulls out 61 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: this scroll and it's like nine to five by Dolly Parton, 62 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: killing Me Softly, No Scrubs and Dreams by Fleetwood Mac, 63 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: which is like an amazing group of songs. Which one 64 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,839 Speaker 1: would you have picked? By the way, Uh, if we're 65 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:17,559 Speaker 1: talking like a traditional karaoke scenario, I'm probably going with 66 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 1: no Scrubs, Okay, Okay, I would have picked no Scrubs 67 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: or ninety five. I think everyone around me was like, 68 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: if you and I were doing karaoke together as a pair, 69 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: we would do nine to five. Okay, that is t 70 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: for sure. She finds a girl in the front who 71 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: it's like her birthday person. You can't you can't assume 72 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: this person's gender. I actually can. I this was definitely 73 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 1: this woman because it was her birthday, and it was 74 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: like it felt like a you know, a bachelorette party 75 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 1: kind of vibe. And she's like, this girl is maybe 76 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: like bachelor X. You don't right, right, right, right, of course, 77 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: of course, and so this girl's maybe like sixteen seventeen okay, 78 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: And Casey really says to her like, don't sunk this up. 79 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: Like this is like you're picking the song that we 80 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 1: all want to hear. It's a lot of pressure. It 81 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: is actually the girl picks killing me softly. Casey, who 82 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: is definitely stoned, has already talked about being on xan 83 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: X and did a shot of tequila on stage, is 84 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: like totally over the whole experience in a in a 85 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: good way, like a very like chill girl way. And 86 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: she looks at the girl whose birthday it is, and 87 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 1: she goes, I'm sorry, you picked wrong, and we're gonna 88 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 1: do nine. But well, it's kind of case it's fault 89 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 1: for putting that on the list. Yeah, it is actually 90 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: her fault. And and and she knew the song that 91 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: she wanted to do. And it's iconic though to crush 92 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: this girl's birthday. You know, I wonder if that girl 93 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 1: would killed herself. She did it on the right person. No, 94 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: don't kill yourself, You're so sexy. She threw this, She 95 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: threw the scroll to her, so like, I think that 96 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: was like her consolation prize. But Rose, there's a moment 97 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: at the end of this concert where I thought of you. 98 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: I wish I had gotten it on video. I I 99 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 1: felt your energy so clearly at that moment. Okay, what 100 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 1: read is this gonna be? No, it's not. It's a compliment. 101 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: Casey ended with Gracia Slavita, which is like this kind 102 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 1: of like activist folk song from I want to say, well, 103 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: this song is kind of a bummer, and it's also 104 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: not a song that I really would have wanted her 105 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 1: to do at our concert, And I was like, why 106 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: is she doing this song? And towards the end of 107 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 1: the song, the curtains open and there's this big staircase 108 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: that she kind of ascends, and there's like big lights 109 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: behind her. It's this very anthemic, kind of fiery, dramatic moment, 110 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: and she goes to the top of the staircase and 111 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: at the end of this song, there's this really kind 112 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 1: of spooky voice distortion that happens. I kind of wish 113 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: she did it more on that album, to be honest, 114 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 1: but it's a very big note to end on, and 115 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 1: Casey at the top of the staircase, looks out to 116 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 1: the audience belt the last note of this song and 117 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: falls back perfectly and then disappears like in Black Fucking Swan. 118 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: It was. It was literally exactly black Swan. It was. 119 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: It was such a gag. It was high drag. I 120 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: was living. I I literally could not have had more 121 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: fun at this concert. And to be totally honest, I 122 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: kind of had lower expectations because this album was not 123 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: my favorite I did. What did you think of the 124 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: album star Crossed? Um? It was fine? You know, I 125 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: enjoyed it. It like it grew on me with time, 126 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: but it's not something I'm ever like, Oh, I gotta 127 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: listen to star Crossed. Yeah, I feel the same way. 128 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: I really like hookup scene and there as a Light. 129 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: I think those are stand up, but like, overall, I 130 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: felt like the whole album need had like a punch 131 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: up on the production, and I thought that I thought them. 132 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 1: The film was also kind of not whack, but just 133 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: like not enough. What the Virgins don't know is we 134 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: watched the first video from that film together and we're like, oh, 135 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: that was good, And then we watched Chloe Bailey's video 136 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: for Mercy and we were like, but I guess what 137 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: I'm trying to get at is the album was extremely 138 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: powerful to hear in person because Casey did still put 139 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: so much emotion into it, and also I felt like 140 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: her lyrics were really championed and her as a songwriter 141 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 1: is always going to be strong even if the production 142 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: isn't always there. Um. But yeah, anyways, I had a ball. 143 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 1: I wish you were there. You know, not much to 144 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: talk about this week. I mean, like drag Race was 145 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: kind of fine, the salt Like, I thought the drag 146 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: Race challenge was funny, but then the twist of the 147 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: soap opera being about farting. I don't like a fart joke. 148 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: I no, I don't like a fart joke. Wow, so 149 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: you hate fun I don't hate fun I like smarter. No, 150 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: I think a fart joke is funny the first couple 151 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: of times, but when it goes on for that long, 152 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: I guess by the end it did swing background being 153 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: funny again. I do forget sometimes that Rue has that 154 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: sense of humor though. Yeah, Ru, Rue like stuff that's 155 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: very simple, like very bare bones, like fart slapstick humor. 156 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 1: And I don't know, I felt like this is a 157 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: moment where like Rue and whoever is writing this ship 158 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: like really thrived, Like I love the challenge. You think 159 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,719 Speaker 1: Rue wrote the script for the Delta. Yeah? Yeah, Ru 160 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: Rue in his office with with his quill and his ink. Well, um, yeah, 161 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: I I'm sure you were extremely mad that no one 162 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 1: was eliminated. I think that it's a little bit of ause, 163 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:55,719 Speaker 1: but I'm hoping that means next week there will be 164 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 1: a quadruple elimination. Yeah right, Um, I feel like it 165 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:01,439 Speaker 1: maybe when it comes down to the math, it was 166 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: always supposed to happen this way, Like there was always 167 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: supposed to be an episode where no one was eliminated 168 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: because there's so many episodes now for these seasons. Um, 169 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: I feel like it was deserved. I thought everyone killed 170 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: that runway shockingly. I thought that everyone did had a 171 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: passing grade on this sketch itself. Um, But like when 172 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: it comes down to like I don't know, like overall performance, 173 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: Like I mean Camden's runway where she fell and revealed 174 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: this year to completely unexpected, But like why was she 175 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: kicking so often? Was that a Freddie Mercury thing? Did 176 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: he kick a lot? I mean he's he was kind 177 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: of legging? Where is that maybe like her only move? Yeah, 178 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: I will say the Real House as of Salt Lake 179 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: finale was totally underwheling that season is still on. Well, yeah, 180 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: it's it's it felt like this season has been like 181 00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: a thousand years um. But the most important takeaway from 182 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: the experience of watching The Real House Lives finale Rose 183 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 1: is that the Chichi Trainers we are eaten because in 184 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:12,439 Speaker 1: a commercial for The Real House as Assault, like the finale, 185 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: we have now learned that Megan Trainer is hosting a 186 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 1: Peacock original of a kid's version of Top Chef called 187 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: Top Chef Family Style. I thought that we're going to 188 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: say something like Megan Trainer was hosting the reunion all 189 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 1: of Nikki hosting Potomac, or like Megan Trainer was joining 190 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: The House Lives a Salt Lake City, which, like I 191 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: actually would believe that would totally watch. I would believe that, 192 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: like she has a house there and that that's the 193 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 1: point her career is at. Can you imagine how underwhelming 194 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: it would be to watch her host a reunion? Literally 195 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: any I don't know that I've ever actually heard her speak, 196 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 1: so I she probably sounds like Julia Fox. So in 197 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: the finale, in the like the previous they showed that 198 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: Jenny is still the reunion, which I didn't realize. I 199 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: thought that she was the one who got fired, right, 200 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: she was the one that got fired and then Mary 201 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: also left, and I mean Jen is literally going to 202 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 1: be in jail by the time that the next season 203 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:17,079 Speaker 1: is filmed, which means we'rely we're losing three housewives from 204 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 1: this franchise. I think maybe we should just lose the franchise. Um, 205 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 1: you wouldn't say that if you actually watched it. It is. 206 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: It is definitely a top tier franchise, if not my 207 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 1: favorite right now, Like, I think I even enjoyed it 208 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: more than I enjoyed this last season of Beverly Hills. 209 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:48,439 Speaker 1: That's sacrilege. Are you happy to be in Belies? It 210 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: is so rare that there's something in pop culture that 211 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 1: you have experience that I never have. Yeah, Actually, this 212 00:12:55,000 --> 00:13:00,040 Speaker 1: is a nice little turning of the tables. Um. I 213 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: for years people have been telling me that I needed 214 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: to watch Obsessed, and I don't know why I never did. 215 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: And I'm honestly shocked that I didn't see it when 216 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: it came out because two thousand nine, like, what, you know, 217 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: what was I doing? Yeah? What were you doing? I 218 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: was graduating. I was doing a lot of drugs action, 219 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 1: so that that actually makes a lot of sense. It was, 220 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, like a box office hit. It is, 221 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: I think, Um, it's the only film. It's only feature 222 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: film that Parkwood Productions, which is Beyonce's production company UM produced, 223 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: other than Cadillac Records and Black Is Gang, which isn't Beyonce. 224 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: Beyonce Knowles is listed as an executive producer. Well, I 225 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: noticed when I watched the movie last night. Yes, today 226 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: we were talking about Obsessed to the two thousand nine 227 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: films starring Beyonce Elba, Ali Larder, and we'll get into, 228 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 1: you know, the thick of it, maybe a slightly broader 229 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: conversation about this trope of the murderous scorned woman, a 230 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,719 Speaker 1: trope that Rose dam You did in fact invent and 231 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,439 Speaker 1: in herself. Well, if like me, you've never seen the 232 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: film film Obsessed, um, here's a quick recap. Beyonce is 233 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: married to Idris Elba. Her name uh in a in 234 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: a in a turn that made me feel absolutely psychotic. 235 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: Her character's name is Sharon, which is just not realistic 236 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: at all. For someone who looks like Beyonce to be 237 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: named Sharon. It would just it simply would would never happen. 238 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: There there's so many things I kept waiting for a 239 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: twist that like she had a secret identity. Yeah, if if, 240 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: if there was a supernatural twist, I could suspend my belief. 241 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: But I draw the line at someone who looks like 242 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: Beyonce named Sharon. So Beyonce is married to Idris Elba. 243 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: She actually used to be his assistant at his law firm, 244 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: and they have since fallen in love, gotten married, had 245 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: a child a child who will become important to the 246 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: plot later. Um and Idris um is you know, working 247 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: in the city and he there's a new temp but 248 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: his office, played by Ali Larder of Heroes and legally 249 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: blonde fame and for at the time, Ali was I'd 250 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: never heard of her before, but she was kind of 251 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: everywhere around she was. She was definitely moving and shaken 252 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: around this time because because specifically Heroes Um because Heroes 253 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: was like such a big cultural moment. So Ali Larder 254 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: starts temping at Idris's law firm and becomes obsessed with 255 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: him and starts like manufacturing run ins between the two 256 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: of them, and increasingly like you see Adris be like, oh, 257 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: this is kind of weird. Should I say something to 258 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: my wife? And then he doesn't because he thinks saying 259 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: something will just like make it into something it's not 260 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: until eventually it comes out ahead at the company Christmas party, 261 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: where Ali Larder like throws it back at him the 262 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: kind in the restroom if you can't see me, Like 263 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: it's kind of a movement. It's like gazelle like kind 264 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: of like white girl dance. That's happening. And so now 265 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: Adris knows that Ali Larder wants him, but he like 266 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: again weirdly like doesn't I This was one thing that 267 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: was so confusing to me was that like he had 268 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: many chances to say, like go to HR or be 269 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: like hey, this woman is like harassing me, like she's 270 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: attempt get rid of her. And so Ali Larder, it 271 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: becomes clear like his manufactured this relationship between the two 272 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: of them and does crazy things like she shows up 273 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: in his car with only underwear on, she leaves the 274 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: company because to be with him, because like they can't 275 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: have a relationship. And then she shows up his business 276 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: trip drugs him and I forgot that, drugs him and 277 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: sexually assaults him. Um, I forgot about that. And then 278 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: when he like really like tells her like you're crazy. 279 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: This isn't happening. She o d s in his bed 280 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: and is taken to the hospital, where like a detective 281 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: starts an investigation. Beyond well, Sharon finds out about it, Um, 282 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 1: and they all like kind of quickly go from like 283 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: what like what did he do to this girl, like 284 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: you know, taking it as the way it looks, to like, oh, 285 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 1: I guess she is actually crazy. Because Ali Larder, like 286 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 1: after getting out of the hospital and like going with 287 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 1: her sister, Um comes to their house one night after 288 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: Beyonce has forgiven Adris Elba, and they think that she 289 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: has stolen Beyonce's child because the child is missing, and 290 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 1: then it turns out she like put him in a car. 291 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 1: So then it all comes to a head when Ali 292 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 1: Larder shows up at the house and Beyonce has forgotten 293 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: to put in the security code, which come on girl. 294 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 1: Actually this morning, coming into the studio, the security alarm 295 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 1: went off, and I found myself thinking like if only 296 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: this had happened in Beyonce's home. Of course, Um, so 297 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: Beyonce and Ali Larder have a fight to death, which 298 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 1: is like the set piece of the film and which 299 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,640 Speaker 1: I discovered last night upon doing some research. It took 300 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: them a week to film it, no way, and then 301 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:14,199 Speaker 1: Beyonce gets Ali Larder. In the end, Sharon wins and 302 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: Ali Larder dies, and then Beyonce and DRI's elbow like 303 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 1: hug and make up at the end where Okay, there's 304 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: never really so that is that is the plot of 305 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:27,120 Speaker 1: the movie. Essentially, my let me let me say this. 306 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 1: I was obsessed. I think it's the best movie ever made. Okay, amazing. 307 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,199 Speaker 1: I was going to ask because obviously you and I 308 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: had the exact same first impression, which was why is 309 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: her name Sharon? But why is her name? Your second 310 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: impression was like what was the second was? This is incredible? 311 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:43,439 Speaker 1: I loved it. I had so much fun watching it. 312 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: But I was also very confused because I wasn't confused 313 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: by anything that happened. I was confused by like the 314 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: way people reacted to things. And I understand that these 315 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: things needed to happen for the plot of this film, 316 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: but like, if you take that away, it makes no 317 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: sense that Drew's elbow wasn't like, um, this woman is 318 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 1: like harassing me, she needs to go um, and you 319 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 1: do like he even if he didn't cheat with this woman, 320 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: he had so many options to like do the right thing, 321 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 1: tell the truth, be like this is crazy, Um, you 322 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: need to stop this, tell his wife what was going on? 323 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 1: And so and by the end of the movie, even 324 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: though they have survived and this woman hasn't gotten what 325 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 1: she wanted, which like she didn't get Adris Elba or 326 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: you know, the baby, Sharon has come out on top. 327 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: Like how does Beyonce go back to him at the 328 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: end because he has created a situation in which she 329 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: had to kill a woman in her own home and 330 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 1: be scarred by that forever. So like, how do you, like, 331 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: how do you go back to like getting fro you 332 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: with that person? I like what I don't think that 333 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: if there was an obsessed to I think it would 334 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 1: be about their divorce. Okay, so you're you're I'm picking 335 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 1: up on some of the things you're reacting to, And 336 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 1: I think that it should be said that this movie 337 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 1: did pretty good in the box office, but it was 338 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: a critical flop obviously, and a lot of things yeah 339 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: I know, yeah exactly, and a lot of the things 340 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: that people were talking about. We're just what you're naming, 341 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 1: is that the kind of emotional and relational steaks of 342 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 1: these three characters are a bit off, and because it is, 343 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 1: you know, so such a kind of carbon copy of 344 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 1: movies we've seen before, they were like, well, this is 345 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: like a lower stakes, moralistic kind of version of well 346 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: those films. Yeah. I think like some of the criticism 347 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 1: and the little bit of research I did is that 348 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 1: at the time, people were like, this is bad because 349 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: we don't understand why these people are doing the things 350 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 1: that they're doing. Like they never explain why Ali Lard 351 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: are so obsessed with but other than like he's hot 352 00:20:56,600 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: because they never have sex, they even yeah, if this 353 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: was no, they don't well she I mean she assaults him, right, 354 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 1: I mean, if this was like a Hitchcock film, which 355 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: like there is some kind of like Hitchcock e and 356 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,360 Speaker 1: thing going on here, you know, we would find out 357 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: Ali Larter's tragic backstory where she had been like assaulted 358 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: as a child or something. That's a very trophy thing 359 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: with these movies, like you find out why the crazy 360 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: woman is crazy, um, and in this there's no explanation 361 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 1: of it. And something else to me that stuck out 362 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:34,199 Speaker 1: was that Idris is never really tempted like his like 363 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: I mean, besides like he he looks at her legs, 364 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 1: you know, when they first meet, he notices that she's hot, 365 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: Like he thinks she's hot enough to to lie to 366 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 1: his wife about it, exactly, asks him like if she 367 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: is your new assistant attractive? And he's like, no, is 368 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: your ugly? Yeah? Yeah exactly, yeah yeah, And so I 369 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: think that that it's like it kind of renders Idris 370 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 1: to be renders all three of them to be like 371 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 1: very uncomplicated characters. Like I think the film, and I think, honestly, 372 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: because it was done by Parkwood Productions and because Beyonce 373 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 1: was maybe over this, it would make sense to me 374 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: that these characters would kind of champion fidelity instead of 375 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: like trying to nuance our challenge. Well, because Idris even 376 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: says once he and Beyonce have reconciled and like they 377 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 1: go to dinner on his birthday, he asks her if 378 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 1: she wants a divorce and she says, we don't get 379 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 1: divorces in my family exact, and that, oh my god, 380 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,400 Speaker 1: that is such a like a kind of which it's 381 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: a microcosm of, to be honest, Beyonce culture, like Beyonce 382 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:40,120 Speaker 1: is like we all saw Lemonade. We all well there 383 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 1: is a direct line from obsessed to lemonate. We've seen 384 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 1: the live performance of resentment in the wedding dress. Okay, 385 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: we know that fidelity is something that Beyonce champions in 386 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: kind of almost old school way. Yeah, I mean, well 387 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: it seems kind of faith based. Yeah, and obviously it 388 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: has to do with like blackness, that has to do 389 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: with like ways you grow up religious. Um, but like 390 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 1: it has I think to me, it makes total sense 391 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: that Idris would never not once cheat, you know what 392 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: I mean. But it also makes it kind of boring, 393 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: makes him boring, It makes movie a little boring. Well, 394 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: there's also this like missed opportunity and like I'm not 395 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,199 Speaker 1: saying that race should have played a bigger part in 396 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: this film, but like when Ali Larder is like using 397 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: the fact that she could get him in trouble by 398 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 1: the way that things look, you know, to manipulate him, 399 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,880 Speaker 1: Like it goes kind of unsaid this dynamic between them 400 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: that he is a black man and she is a 401 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: white woman, and it's like it's like they're thrumming under 402 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: the surface and you're waiting for the movie to dig 403 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: into it a little and it just never does. And 404 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: it feels kind of like, I mean, yes, on the 405 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: one hand, like it's cool that we're that in two 406 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: thousand nine we had a movie like this where like 407 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: their race wasn't a huge part of it, but it 408 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: also feels kind of weird and like defanged that it's 409 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: like never even addressed. Yeah, and obviously this is a 410 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: conversation for a podcast that is in ours, but like 411 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: this was before Beyonce was like talking about her race, 412 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But I think that what 413 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: you're touching on is like the fact that like a 414 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 1: lot of people were coming taking away from this being 415 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: like there were like missed opportunities in how this relationship, 416 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: especially between Ali and Idris, was like racialized. But I 417 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: felt like, um, there's a lot, as you're saying, thrumming 418 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 1: under the surface. It really was kind of there because 419 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: there's a very kind of like scary victimy white girl 420 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 1: moment where she kind of like victimizes herself to like 421 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: protect all the lying and assaulting that she's been doing. 422 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 1: And then I think there's even a moment where like 423 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: Beyonce is like get your skinny us over here something 424 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:45,199 Speaker 1: like that. Like there's there's components of like race and 425 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: like this like really weird power dynamic between the three 426 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: of them that creeps through. But yeah, I agree, they're 427 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 1: they're completely unexplored. Yeah it doesn't. It like does not 428 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: lean far enough into being a psycho sexual thriller in 429 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: the vein of something like a fatal attraction or a 430 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 1: basic instinct. Also, Beyonce is just not in the movie enough, 431 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 1: Like no, she's she's She's essentially a supporting character. And 432 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 1: I guess that makes sense because I'm sure she did 433 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: like two weeks on this tops and that's probably why 434 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: she was attracted to it. But I could have used 435 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: more Sharon, even though Sharon is a crazy name for 436 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: Beyonce to have in this um. Even though we're leading 437 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: with kind of the negative things about it, obviously, the 438 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 1: thing that no one can forget is like this kind 439 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 1: of final deathmatch between Sharon and Ali. Where's Atris and 440 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 1: all of it. Again, He's driving, he's at work because 441 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 1: they're they're about to go on a trip, and Beyonce 442 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 1: is leaving the day before him, and she leaves the house, 443 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 1: forgets to set the alarm and goes back to set it, 444 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: and Ali Larter is there and Beyonce has left her 445 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 1: a message on her phone previously saying like you know 446 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 1: who this is? Yeah, you know I'm gonna beat your 447 00:25:55,680 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: assot And then when she shows up the house, she 448 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: was like, I see you didn't get my message. Yes, 449 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 1: that Beyonce leaving that phone message is the best. Mean. 450 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: Beyonce has some amazing lines, which when she kicks Atris 451 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: out and he's like, where am I supposed to go? 452 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 1: And she says to hell? But until that, I suggest 453 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: the fourth season like incredible, incredible, or when she says 454 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 1: get out of my house, she screams at get out 455 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 1: of my house. She's so good. Yeah, and she her 456 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 1: Beyonce is someone who understands line delivery. She has comedic timing. 457 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: I think it's like, I mean, if you don't know, 458 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: like Beyonce was nominated for several Razzies, I think for 459 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: this film, Like, um, the film was like widely made 460 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: fun of. I wonder how many Oscar nominees are also 461 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,880 Speaker 1: Razzi nominees. Oh, I do know that they did win 462 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: an MTV Intersectionality Yeah the intersection So in intersectionality means 463 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 1: you have an MTVM Music Award, but you lost a 464 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: Razzie and failed to get the nom for an oscar Um. 465 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm said that. Like I mean, first of all, 466 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: the Razzies are like kind of an abhorrent thing, sometimes 467 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 1: even so widely misogynistic. And also we have to say 468 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: like this, like when people say this is a critical flop, 469 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: like a lot of this is around like Rotten Tomatoes culture, 470 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: and like it's less true now, but at the time 471 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:24,159 Speaker 1: Rotten Tomatoes is like percent like white guys, you know what. 472 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: And also like this, that's not how this movie is remembered. 473 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: It's a cult classic. Also, something that people forget about this, 474 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: I think because I haven't really seen anyone talk about it, 475 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,640 Speaker 1: is that it's a Christmas movie. No, it's like it 476 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 1: was a Christmas movie because kind of a Christmas party. Yeah, 477 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: that's like the inciting incident between Idris and Ali Larder. 478 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I forgot about that way, So why 479 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,679 Speaker 1: are we doing it? It kind of like the first 480 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: third of the movie takes place during Christmas? No way. Wow, honestly, 481 00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: um missed opportunity for a Destiny's Child is a Christmas 482 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: needle drop. Well, well, you know, the music in the 483 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 1: movie does slap there. It's a very good soundtrack. There's 484 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: a really good Sam Sparrow song that plays American Boy 485 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: by a Spell which love Also um so, Idris has 486 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 1: a gay assistant and it's like telegraphed very early on 487 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 1: that he's gay, and Beyonce has like laid down a 488 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: decree that he's not allowed to have female assistance because 489 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 1: the last time he did it was her and they 490 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,160 Speaker 1: wound up married. Okay, if I ever had a husband, 491 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: I think I would kind of want my husband to 492 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: have a hot assistant because it would make me very competitive. 493 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: Would but would you want him to have a hot 494 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: assistant if you had already been that hot assistant? I mean, 495 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: because you know that this person is predisposed to, like, 496 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: I think it's okay to funk their assistant. I mean yeah, 497 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: because it would you know, give me the opportunity to, 498 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: I don't know, drop a chandelier on them or something 499 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna swing from the Yeah that's actually Beyonce, was 500 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: she She She asked requested that that music be played 501 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 1: in you know, in the early stages of this cat 502 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: and mouse game between Ali Larder and Aadris Elba, like 503 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: they do become friendly because of the way that she 504 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: the ways in which she manipulates him, which is like 505 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 1: by staging this like you know, breakdown in the break 506 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: room at work where she's crying about a guy and 507 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: he like comforts her and then they start. I am 508 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: NG And her screen name is temp Girl, which which 509 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: definitely to me is like a spiritual sister to Carrie 510 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: Bradshaw's screen name, which is shoe Gal. Also, Temp Girl 511 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: sounds like a separate movie that I would watch. Yeah, 512 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: it's like when me, I'm a temporary girl because I 513 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: transitioned and then I will eventually wait, what was your 514 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: screen name? Have we talked about this? I think we have. 515 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: But my like original a I AM screen name for 516 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: a while was well I thought when I when when 517 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: I made it, I thought it was I am Psycho 518 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: because I was like a goth. But I spelled it 519 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: wrong and so it was actually I am Fisco, I 520 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 1: am I just choked on my own spit mine mine 521 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: like miss Jennerman. Mine was frand man one S three 522 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: brand man, Oh my god. And then of course it 523 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 1: became later became friends Squitch go ahead, but adriss gay Assistant, 524 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: Like there's a moment where he calls the gay assistant 525 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: and Ali Larder in to talk to him, and he's like, 526 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:38,239 Speaker 1: all right, ladies, let's go. He does, he does, and 527 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: then Ali Larder at one point calls the gay assistant, 528 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 1: you silly old queen. Wait wait, wait a second, we 529 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 1: need a whole other movie about this gay assistant, because 530 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 1: that is to me. The gay assistant also like gives 531 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 1: Ali Larder a lot of the information she needs to 532 00:30:55,040 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: um to trick Adris Elba. The most pressing question I 533 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: had when watching this movie is has Beyonce ever celebrated 534 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 1: Ali Larter's birthday on beyonce dot com. Absolutely not, no way. 535 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 1: I'm sure that they got dot com Ali Larder. Beyonce 536 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 1: has a very small class of christened white women that 537 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 1: she wishes a happy birthday too. It's Reese Witherspoon, it's 538 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: I don't know, Adele. Maybe I'm hoping that one year 539 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 1: soon Beyonce will do a birthday post for Ali Larder. 540 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 1: I thought you were going to say for you, You're 541 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 1: gonna me. I don't think that that's never gonna happen. 542 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: Oh um. Ali Larterer sends Adris Elba a bunch of 543 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 1: sexy photos at one point and in them she's wearing 544 00:31:54,720 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: a Fedora, not the Fedora Fedora this is two thousand nine. 545 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: I mean, Jason Mraz was very prevalent during this time, 546 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: his impact, his Foedor and did you ever own a 547 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 1: Fedora girl? Jason Mraz was not only one of my 548 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: favorite music artists, but I did own several Fedora's. Have 549 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 1: you ever seen Jason Mraz live? Yeah? I did own 550 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: a Fedora one. Did you really? There's no shame, you know, 551 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: we we are you know, it's a consequence. There is 552 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: totally shame. There is absolutely shame. I used to have 553 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 1: a huge crush on Jason Mraz, bisexual king. He to 554 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: me looks, you know, like frail led us to me 555 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: um And to answer your question, I've never seen him 556 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 1: in concert, but I have seen you know, his female 557 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: female um woman counterpart Ingrid Michaelson in concert. I was 558 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: the first concert I ever went to alone. One thing 559 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: about this movie is that the phrase sexual harassment is 560 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 1: only uttered once, like surprise, it's even once, and that's 561 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: really like I also thought that was interesting, like in 562 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: the same way that like the racial element is never 563 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: acknowledged like the sexual paul tics of this aren't really acknowledged, 564 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: which I guess like it's a very pre to movie. Yeah, 565 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 1: it is very pre to, and like, you know, I 566 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 1: don't know if like talking about sexual harassment would necessarily 567 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: make the movie more interesting, but it's just it's like 568 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 1: weird that it's like it only ever acknowledged once kind 569 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 1: of in passing right, and if it was made in 570 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: this day and age, it would definitely be even if 571 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: it wasn't explicitly mentioned, it would be the conversation the film. 572 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 1: It also like the movie is just crazy and that 573 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: it is so completely a male fantasy, like because this 574 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 1: doesn't happen. I'm sure, yes, I'm sure there are women 575 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 1: who harass men who like our predatory, but systematically, like 576 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: within the patriarchy, this does not happen, and this instead 577 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 1: actually like maybe you can look at this movie as 578 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: like this is what men tell themselves happens when they 579 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: are actually really harassing and assaulting, say that, oh my god, 580 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: like this is how they rationalize it to themselves. Is 581 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:08,840 Speaker 1: like she was crazy, she was coming on to me. 582 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 1: There was nothing going on between us. Pylog chandelier, thank god. Yeah, yeah, okay, 583 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 1: So speaking of male fantasy, I watched Fatal Attraction last night. 584 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: I've never seen it. Okay, very excited for you to 585 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 1: watch it. I won't, you know, maybe talk about it 586 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 1: in crucial detail. But when that film came out, and 587 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,400 Speaker 1: obviously these two, like thinking about Obsessed and Fatal Attraction, 588 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,760 Speaker 1: they're all within this like same genre of a male 589 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 1: imagination of a scorned, dangerous like woman, like a woman 590 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 1: who is so unhinged and so in love with a 591 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,360 Speaker 1: man that she is now like murderous. It's interesting to 592 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 1: see how that kind of movie has evolved into things 593 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 1: like Gone Girl, where like that trope of the crazy 594 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: woman has now the come like we're now looking at 595 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,799 Speaker 1: the woman's point of view, where like these movies like 596 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 1: even though we remember about Obsessed, that it's like about 597 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 1: Beyonce and Ali Larder, Like really the movie Idris Elba 598 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: is the protagonist and technically almost the entire movie is 599 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 1: from his point of view, but it still feels like 600 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 1: Beyonce's movie kind of even though I guess Ali maybe 601 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,239 Speaker 1: she's really sidelined, and like even Ali Larder is, and 602 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 1: like you don't understand their motivations, like you really only 603 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 1: understand like the interiority of why Idris Elba is making 604 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,800 Speaker 1: the decisions he's making. And so like now I see 605 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 1: like a direct line from that on like the way 606 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 1: that culture has changed to things like Gone Girl, where 607 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:51,839 Speaker 1: you are understanding these women who in movies like this, 608 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,080 Speaker 1: like we don't know why they're making the choices they're 609 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 1: making and they're just written off as crazy women. And 610 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,719 Speaker 1: now we're seeing women make bad decisions and like be 611 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 1: the villains, but like we're getting the psychology of why 612 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,239 Speaker 1: they're doing exactly. It's kind of like, um, okay, I 613 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 1: want to get to Gone Girl, or honestly even like 614 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 1: something like Ingrid Goes West like or like something which 615 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,960 Speaker 1: I've also never seen. Uh, okay, we'll talk about it. 616 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,120 Speaker 1: But like I I feel like it's worth diving a 617 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 1: little bit into Fatal Attraction because when you know, Obsessed 618 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,239 Speaker 1: came out that she gets shot in a bathtub at 619 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 1: the end spoiler. If you've seen Bridget Jones's diary, you 620 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: know what happens in Fatal Attraction? Does does she watch 621 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 1: it and Bridge at the beginning? That's very on the nose. 622 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,319 Speaker 1: Um I didn't realize that, Okay, so um, yes, she 623 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 1: does die in a bathtub in the end that the 624 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,400 Speaker 1: premise loosely is, you know, a wealthy guy, he has 625 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,239 Speaker 1: a perfect kid, a perfect wife, similar to obsessed. He 626 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 1: decides to do what men do. He cheats on his wife. 627 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:52,080 Speaker 1: The inciting incident is that he does cheat and he 628 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,919 Speaker 1: has this kind of weekend affair with Glenn Close, who 629 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,880 Speaker 1: is I think attempt at his publishing house. So what 630 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 1: is it with tempts? I want to watch a movie 631 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 1: about psycho sexual tempts. Honestly, temps if you're listening, yeah, 632 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 1: please let us know if you have ever um, you know, 633 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,400 Speaker 1: been killed by a chandelier. What if we did what 634 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 1: if there was a modern day we should do a 635 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,279 Speaker 1: modern day adaptation of the Tempest. But it's um like 636 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:23,800 Speaker 1: a workplace drama. Yeah about temps Um anyways, pst because 637 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,280 Speaker 1: it's on Easter time, right right, So after Michael Douglas 638 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,719 Speaker 1: has an affair with Glenn Close, Um, it's quick, it's 639 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 1: kind of very quickly revealed that she has basically like 640 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 1: borderline personality. This Michael Douglas in Fatal Attraction. He's not 641 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,960 Speaker 1: my type. He looks a little too much like a 642 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 1: like a like a sack of flower to me. But 643 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 1: I do think that he was a very compelling kind 644 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 1: of anchor for the film. Um. And I think I 645 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,400 Speaker 1: want to get into the conversation of performances because the 646 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 1: balance of performances in these two films is so different. 647 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,680 Speaker 1: But it's a it's a very specific kind of look. 648 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,680 Speaker 1: It's not really it's it's been for me me. So basically, 649 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,839 Speaker 1: Glenn Close gets pregnant. She says, I'm going to have 650 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,880 Speaker 1: this baby, and he's like, you can't do that, Like, 651 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 1: my wife doesn't know about this. I have a whole 652 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,720 Speaker 1: life outside of you, Like, we can't do this together. 653 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,400 Speaker 1: And of course she like stalks and harasses him until um, 654 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 1: he and his wife work together to kill her. Um. 655 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,720 Speaker 1: Literally I wish it. I know. Isn't that so sweet? 656 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 1: So romantic? Um? But it's what's amazing about this about 657 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 1: that kind of comparing these two is like when I said, oh, 658 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,760 Speaker 1: it's like Beyonce's film, You're right, she was really sidelined 659 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,680 Speaker 1: in it. But in Fatal Attraction, it's glenn closest movie. 660 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,200 Speaker 1: And let me tell you, but does it spend time 661 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 1: with her? You know? It does? It does spend I 662 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,439 Speaker 1: think it spends more time with Glenn than it does 663 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,400 Speaker 1: with someone like Beyonce. Obviously there are different rules. Beyonce 664 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,760 Speaker 1: is the one being cheated on. Glenn is the other woman, 665 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,160 Speaker 1: so she Glenn is kind of the alley larder but Beyonce, 666 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,439 Speaker 1: but Glenn is just like to me, out of all 667 00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,320 Speaker 1: six of these kind of actors, like completed the picture 668 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,840 Speaker 1: and did the most like acting. Well, she's gone close. 669 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,640 Speaker 1: And what she did was also like Cinema an off 670 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,400 Speaker 1: star exactly. I know, Well, that's so funny. She lost 671 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,080 Speaker 1: the off This was the movie that they thought she 672 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,520 Speaker 1: was already three Oscar Noms in by the time this 673 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,200 Speaker 1: movie came out, and she lost this one to share, 674 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,839 Speaker 1: can you? And this was the one that they thought 675 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 1: she was gonna the one she should have one because 676 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,080 Speaker 1: she was brilliant. But I have to, like, you know, 677 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 1: say that like um yeah, to answer your question. She 678 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 1: is not like as maybe she's like a little peripheral, 679 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,640 Speaker 1: but it doesn't matter because she just sucks the air 680 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:40,319 Speaker 1: out of every scene. And but does it does the 681 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,279 Speaker 1: movie to do the work to make you understand her 682 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,560 Speaker 1: side of the story only a little bit. Obviously, know 683 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 1: the way the movie is written is still Michael Douglas 684 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,000 Speaker 1: slash Idris Elba is the protagonist. He is the center 685 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,480 Speaker 1: of the film. It's all about his moral center and 686 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,400 Speaker 1: like his kind of thing. The reason Fatal Attraction is 687 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,400 Speaker 1: ultimately a better movie despite being so abhorrently misogynist, is 688 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 1: the fact that like the complexity of him cheating on 689 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,239 Speaker 1: his wife is really in the film, and like he 690 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,319 Speaker 1: their ramifications to it. His wife gets really mad, like 691 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,040 Speaker 1: they kind of like sort through a really weird kind 692 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,400 Speaker 1: of like psycho sexual like um conversation around what to 693 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,520 Speaker 1: do about the baby, what to do about cheating whatever, 694 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,080 Speaker 1: and instead of going to couples therapy, they just team 695 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 1: up to kill the mystery exactly. And but despite the 696 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,880 Speaker 1: fact that Michael Douglas is an amazing actor, um, the 697 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,400 Speaker 1: wife whose name escapes me is an amazing actress, and 698 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,319 Speaker 1: even the child actor let me tell you and aggressively 699 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,400 Speaker 1: non binary child and this in this film is an 700 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:41,080 Speaker 1: amazing child actor, like so so good in this film, 701 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,520 Speaker 1: despite all of them being amazing actors, Like, the only 702 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,320 Speaker 1: person anyone was talking about after this, you know, after 703 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:52,799 Speaker 1: thirty years later is Glain Close and she invented this trope. Um. 704 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,399 Speaker 1: But something that I have to say that was very 705 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:58,160 Speaker 1: surprising is that did you notice there's kind of almost 706 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:02,720 Speaker 1: like Twilight e Phil alter Over everything. It's like really 707 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,040 Speaker 1: like weird, like white light, like the cinema. The cinema 708 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,279 Speaker 1: is like not really there. You know, it's not something 709 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 1: you pay attention to in the film. I think you're 710 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,960 Speaker 1: mistaking a lack of like a filmmaking choice with the 711 00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:20,520 Speaker 1: very distinct filmmaking choice that happens in Twilight. Yeah, okay, okay, yeah, yeah, sure, sure, sure, Um, 712 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,600 Speaker 1: don't conflate those things. Yeah, of course I would never. 713 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,880 Speaker 1: I would never. Um, I know, I'm we do not 714 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,400 Speaker 1: send her Twilight on this podcast. No, no no, no, would never, 715 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,200 Speaker 1: would never. Something that really surprising about Fatal Attraction is 716 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:36,359 Speaker 1: that it was gorgeous, Like every frame is so beautiful, um, 717 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,399 Speaker 1: and every costume is so beautiful. There's a scene it's 718 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,919 Speaker 1: kind of mirroring the scene when Ali Larder is in 719 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,440 Speaker 1: his car in underwear. She shows up in his to 720 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:50,080 Speaker 1: his office wearing nothing but this huge black trench coat 721 00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,360 Speaker 1: with like shoulder pads up to her ears, Like she 722 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:56,880 Speaker 1: looks so amazing, and like there's another Her apartment is 723 00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,080 Speaker 1: so she it's like all white brick and she has 724 00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,480 Speaker 1: like vintage X her size bike, and like there's a 725 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,760 Speaker 1: scene where she's like sitting and eating like Chinese takeout. 726 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,040 Speaker 1: It's like every frame is like so gorge and her 727 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,719 Speaker 1: hair is like the like it was during like a 728 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,960 Speaker 1: perm era kind of because I think the late exactly 729 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,200 Speaker 1: the late eighties, and that to me, like her hair 730 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,319 Speaker 1: did so much work on top of what she was 731 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,839 Speaker 1: doing acting wise. And I think the reason I wanted 732 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,880 Speaker 1: to talk about it is because the casting of Ali 733 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,960 Speaker 1: Larder feels like they tried to find someone who what 734 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,960 Speaker 1: could be villainous but also feel like basic in like 735 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,839 Speaker 1: her own kind of whiteness. And so when they went 736 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,399 Speaker 1: to cast Fatal Attraction, Glen Close was like their last pick. 737 00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,840 Speaker 1: They went through so many different actresses and glen Close 738 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:46,920 Speaker 1: was chasing them the third this third, three nominations in 739 00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,520 Speaker 1: Glen Closes chasing these casting directors being like I like 740 00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,680 Speaker 1: this role, I want to do this film, um, And 741 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,759 Speaker 1: she had to basically like show up to an audition. 742 00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,760 Speaker 1: Glen Close had to audition in like a little black dress, 743 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,920 Speaker 1: and she showed up with the PERM and the casting directors, 744 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,440 Speaker 1: having never seen the perm before, We're like, Glenn, is 745 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,479 Speaker 1: it she can do sex appeal, and the sex scenes 746 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,400 Speaker 1: in the movie are really good. By the way, you'll 747 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,960 Speaker 1: you know, you'll watch it, I mean the the Ali Larder. 748 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,440 Speaker 1: I liked what you said about like being villainous but 749 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:21,240 Speaker 1: kind of basic, because that very much was the trope 750 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,520 Speaker 1: of her at the time, because, like I think about 751 00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:27,400 Speaker 1: legally blonde, she's this like sorority girl who's in prison 752 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,880 Speaker 1: because they think she murdered her husband. And then on 753 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,520 Speaker 1: heroes did you ever watch Heroes? No? I didn't. She 754 00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:38,960 Speaker 1: was a stripper who had a split personality, and her 755 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,800 Speaker 1: split personality had super strength and would like black out 756 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:44,719 Speaker 1: and then wake up and find out that her like 757 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,399 Speaker 1: alter ego had killed a bunch of people. Um so 758 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,560 Speaker 1: that very much like is the kind of role that 759 00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,239 Speaker 1: she was known for playing, Like this kind of like 760 00:43:54,880 --> 00:44:00,560 Speaker 1: basic looking, pretty blonde girl who actually was you know, 761 00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,360 Speaker 1: a psycho killer. Yeah. And the thing I think maybe 762 00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,479 Speaker 1: one of the reasons that the casting directors were averse 763 00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,839 Speaker 1: to Glen Close is because there's nothing basic about her face. 764 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,480 Speaker 1: She's very distinct. She gives a prestige vibe, you know 765 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,480 Speaker 1: what I mean, Maybe they felt like she was too 766 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,239 Speaker 1: complex for the role, But um, what Glen Close, you know, 767 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,000 Speaker 1: said at the time and also has talked about thirty 768 00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,279 Speaker 1: years later, is that she was really attracted to the 769 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:25,319 Speaker 1: complexity of this character that they rendered really flat and 770 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,400 Speaker 1: really misogynistically in the end um in a way that 771 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,120 Speaker 1: Glen Close was actually against, which I want to talk about. 772 00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,759 Speaker 1: Remember when we saw Glenn Close, Oh my god, we 773 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,279 Speaker 1: were We were at the after party for the prom 774 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,560 Speaker 1: on Broadway. Forgot about that. We were sitting on a 775 00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,040 Speaker 1: table eating. We have to say that it was like 776 00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:49,560 Speaker 1: Ryan Murphy's party. Every Ryan Murphy muse was there. Yes, um, 777 00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:53,200 Speaker 1: like Billy Porter, all of the post girls like and 778 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,680 Speaker 1: Glenn Close, who was standing right behind our table talking 779 00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:04,520 Speaker 1: to Sandra Bernhard like the gayest thing ever. And we 780 00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:08,040 Speaker 1: were chatting and I'm talking to Rose and I say, 781 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,759 Speaker 1: Rose behind you, like four or five ft behind you, 782 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,759 Speaker 1: not even like maybe less. Glen Close is talking to 783 00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,200 Speaker 1: Sandraw bird Hard and You're like, oh my god. And 784 00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,360 Speaker 1: you were like take a picture to picture for me. 785 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,360 Speaker 1: And we were those girls, we were, but Glen Close 786 00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,359 Speaker 1: is the moment, and um, this I think is like 787 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,560 Speaker 1: maybe we can get into like the kind of wider 788 00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:31,080 Speaker 1: conversation of like what this kind of woman means in 789 00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:35,960 Speaker 1: a film, and how this exact archetype is still so 790 00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,120 Speaker 1: prevalent in every single year we will get a movie 791 00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,399 Speaker 1: with a character like this, you know what I mean, 792 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,160 Speaker 1: But now we root for them, like you watch Gone 793 00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:50,319 Speaker 1: Girl and you want amazing Amy to succeed, and like 794 00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,200 Speaker 1: she does ultimately, And you know what's funny, It's like 795 00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,960 Speaker 1: when I watched Fatal Attraction, I kind of thought, like 796 00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,200 Speaker 1: I bet everyone involved and realize like how dated this 797 00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,480 Speaker 1: would become blah blah, But when I read about it, 798 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:06,200 Speaker 1: so Glenn. The original ending of a Fatal Attraction um 799 00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:10,560 Speaker 1: has Glenn Close slitting her own throat and framing Michael 800 00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,880 Speaker 1: Douglas for which is good and that's why Glenn agreed 801 00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,799 Speaker 1: to do the film. They filmed this ending, tested it all, 802 00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,080 Speaker 1: audiences hated it because they wanted to kill Glenn Close 803 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,560 Speaker 1: so bad, like they wanted her to be murdered, and 804 00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,160 Speaker 1: so they were like, we can't do this, we have 805 00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,880 Speaker 1: to reshoot the film. And Glenn Close fought the directors 806 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:34,160 Speaker 1: and the entire team for two whole weeks being like, 807 00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,600 Speaker 1: I will not do that ending. This is the ending 808 00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,960 Speaker 1: that is sympathetic to my character. It's a complete betrayal 809 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,120 Speaker 1: to the character that I've created to have her pick 810 00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,520 Speaker 1: up a knife, like she wouldn't come at a knife 811 00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,880 Speaker 1: with them, she would kill herself, which I think is 812 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,239 Speaker 1: so beautiful and so sympathetic. She was so ahead of 813 00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,680 Speaker 1: her time in that regard. And also it's so funny 814 00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,120 Speaker 1: that you say it took them one week to film 815 00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,480 Speaker 1: the Obsessed fight scene, because I just learned that it 816 00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,719 Speaker 1: took three weeks I think to film the fatal Attraction 817 00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,719 Speaker 1: scene at the end, which is also very good. Is 818 00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,919 Speaker 1: it between Glenn and Michael Douglas. Yes, it's between Glen 819 00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,760 Speaker 1: and Michael Douglas, which is another reason why I think upset. 820 00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,040 Speaker 1: I think it's one of the wings of Obsessed is 821 00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:15,560 Speaker 1: I think the fight between the two women is more interesting. Absolutely, 822 00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:19,680 Speaker 1: And also watching Michael Douglas a woman is kind of hard. 823 00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,520 Speaker 1: It's kind of wild to watch, like the film is 824 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,360 Speaker 1: would almost earn it if it wasn't so imbued in 825 00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:30,800 Speaker 1: you know, this completely untouched conversation of mental health that 826 00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,319 Speaker 1: is in Obsessed, that is in Fatal Attraction, Like it's 827 00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:38,200 Speaker 1: not really like, you know, besides calling her crazy, there's 828 00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:42,440 Speaker 1: not any attempt to look at why this woman is 829 00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,239 Speaker 1: doing these things. I mean, how there's no motivation. Yeah, 830 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,200 Speaker 1: And also like the violence between the two women is 831 00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,600 Speaker 1: like kind of a sign of of like maybe some 832 00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:55,640 Speaker 1: kind of progression from fatal attraction, because there are so 833 00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,839 Speaker 1: many moments in the film where like a DRIs like 834 00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,520 Speaker 1: you see kind of like a restraint of violence of him, 835 00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,480 Speaker 1: like you know, to like shake Ali Larder, but he's 836 00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:09,120 Speaker 1: not going to hit her. Right again, It's like the 837 00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:13,080 Speaker 1: movie that Obsessed is really it stays closer to it's 838 00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,200 Speaker 1: like moral center in that regard, yeah, because it can't 839 00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,880 Speaker 1: make him outright a villain, even though I still think 840 00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,839 Speaker 1: he is, like obviously like Ali Larder is a villain, 841 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,239 Speaker 1: but like when you have someone acting in ways that 842 00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,399 Speaker 1: are that evil but like you don't understand why they're 843 00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,719 Speaker 1: doing them, it becomes like a caricature of villainy and 844 00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:37,440 Speaker 1: it's just like so kind of like ridiculous. Um. And 845 00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,719 Speaker 1: so I think I think the most evil person in 846 00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:45,520 Speaker 1: the movie is Idris Elba because he did this to 847 00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,840 Speaker 1: Beyonce by not being honest with her about what was 848 00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:54,000 Speaker 1: going on, or going to human Resources and being like, hey, 849 00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:58,200 Speaker 1: this temp is sexually harassing me, Like you need to 850 00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,279 Speaker 1: get her out of here. Okay, so this is like 851 00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,880 Speaker 1: a segue into Guests. How like we consume these movies now, 852 00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:07,680 Speaker 1: because when I watched Obsessed, I remember thinking kind of 853 00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,920 Speaker 1: the same thing, being like, this is Atris fault and 854 00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,400 Speaker 1: the movie maybe wants you to kind of want to 855 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,839 Speaker 1: kill Ali Larder. When I watched Fatal Attraction, obviously, what 856 00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:21,719 Speaker 1: Michael Douglas is does is so much more abhorrent than 857 00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,600 Speaker 1: what Hedris does. He openly cheats many many times, lies 858 00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,680 Speaker 1: a ton. Glen Close is constantly calling his home phone 859 00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,200 Speaker 1: and like hanging up and stuff. So he moves his 860 00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:35,080 Speaker 1: entire family upstate without telling them that the reason why, 861 00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,560 Speaker 1: which is wild And so anyways, when I was watching 862 00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,680 Speaker 1: the film, I was like, obviously, Michael Douglas is like 863 00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,400 Speaker 1: the worst person here, but the film wants you to 864 00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,719 Speaker 1: think that Glenn Close is the worst person here here. 865 00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,040 Speaker 1: But in the conversation of Gone Girl and movies like it, 866 00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,839 Speaker 1: the movie is saying that Rosamond Pike is the girl 867 00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,040 Speaker 1: you're rooting for, kind of or the the anti heroes 868 00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,560 Speaker 1: to speak. Yeah, she's still the villain, but it wants 869 00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,960 Speaker 1: you to understand why she's making the choices she's making 870 00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:09,200 Speaker 1: and the power of her making herself the victim and 871 00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:13,960 Speaker 1: turning her husband into the villain, um into like the 872 00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:19,360 Speaker 1: weird guy smiling on TV when his wife has gone missing. Um, 873 00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,520 Speaker 1: and you know, like it sets the people who would 874 00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:26,200 Speaker 1: normally in these stories be the heroes, like you know, 875 00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:31,239 Speaker 1: the husband, like the man who rescues her Neil Patrick Harris. Oh, 876 00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:35,640 Speaker 1: I forgot about that. Into the villains best work to 877 00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,280 Speaker 1: be I think so too, And I very much enjoyed 878 00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:42,799 Speaker 1: watching him get his throats. Yeah, honestly, you know, it's 879 00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:46,280 Speaker 1: so funny, is um. Now I'm thinking about the husband 880 00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:51,920 Speaker 1: archetype and how fatal attraction and Gone Girl. Like the husband, 881 00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:57,279 Speaker 1: this guy is really this kind of sympathetic but ultimately 882 00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:02,120 Speaker 1: uh snivelly, kind of maybe loser, where Idris is kind 883 00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,600 Speaker 1: of something of a prince charming, you know what I mean, 884 00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:08,319 Speaker 1: which again makes me less you know, interesting. Um, But 885 00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,600 Speaker 1: I actually haven't seen Gone Girl, And because I would, 886 00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:16,520 Speaker 1: like a moment and obsessed of you thinking Idris might 887 00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,160 Speaker 1: have sex with Ali Larder. Yeah, but that's the other 888 00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,840 Speaker 1: thing is like this man who is smart enough to 889 00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,000 Speaker 1: like not cheat, but he's not smart enough to tell 890 00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,680 Speaker 1: his wife like it just didn't make sense. No one's 891 00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:31,120 Speaker 1: decision a movie makes sense except for a Beyonce. And 892 00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,919 Speaker 1: even then, I'm like, why is she deciding to take 893 00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:37,160 Speaker 1: this woman on herself? Because like when she goes back 894 00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,240 Speaker 1: to the house, like she gets inside and understands Ali 895 00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,200 Speaker 1: Larder is there and goes to confront her, and that's 896 00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,680 Speaker 1: why they have this death match. It feels to me 897 00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:52,520 Speaker 1: like something of a mama their um steaks because has 898 00:51:52,560 --> 00:52:07,400 Speaker 1: touched her child exactly. A reboot is being made a 899 00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,160 Speaker 1: fatal attraction. It was like canceled multiple times, but apparently 900 00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,880 Speaker 1: Lizzie Kaplan is going to be when I love Lizzie 901 00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,920 Speaker 1: and I also love Lizzie Kaplin. But my question to 902 00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,560 Speaker 1: you is, you know, in the idea of reboots, not 903 00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,200 Speaker 1: that we're a huge fan of reboots in general, if 904 00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:25,839 Speaker 1: we were to do a kind of scorned murderous woman movie, now, 905 00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,080 Speaker 1: what would that What do you think that would look like? 906 00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:33,799 Speaker 1: You are a scorned murderous woman, Rose, if you had 907 00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:38,680 Speaker 1: to kill a man, what would you do? Rose? You? Okay, 908 00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:40,640 Speaker 1: the virgins can't see, but Rose kind of has like 909 00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:48,160 Speaker 1: a facial expression that's like, what do you mean if um, 910 00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:51,480 Speaker 1: I guess like I need to think about where we 911 00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:57,040 Speaker 1: are culturally and like how we would update it for today. 912 00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:01,279 Speaker 1: What if it was like um ugly Betty esque like 913 00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,520 Speaker 1: magazine kind of thing, because well, I can't remember what 914 00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,560 Speaker 1: Idris does. He's a lawyer. He's a lawyer, Okay, in 915 00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:11,640 Speaker 1: Fail Attractions publishing house. Okay. So this girl, So the 916 00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:17,799 Speaker 1: girl in this movie, Um, it's a podcaster. Does she 917 00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:22,080 Speaker 1: run a podcast with a nonminory Mexican? Yeah, she's no, 918 00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,200 Speaker 1: she has a she's on a podcast with like a 919 00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:27,440 Speaker 1: couple other you know, she's a millennial. She's a millennial podcaster. 920 00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:33,080 Speaker 1: And she meets this guy on Tinder and they start 921 00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,840 Speaker 1: hooking up, and she finds out that he is in 922 00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:41,160 Speaker 1: a relationship with a man. He's bisexual. He's bisexual, but 923 00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:45,200 Speaker 1: like he says he's gay because he is has like 924 00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,319 Speaker 1: internalized biphobio, right, he doesn't really even probably understand his 925 00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:51,440 Speaker 1: own desire, and like he's in an open relationship, so 926 00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:55,600 Speaker 1: he like could have sex, but it's like his own 927 00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,400 Speaker 1: self hatred that keeps him from being honest about the 928 00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,920 Speaker 1: fact that he is having sex with them, like maybe 929 00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,640 Speaker 1: falling in love with this woman. And so she is 930 00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:08,200 Speaker 1: like gas lit into thinking that, you know, he's cheating 931 00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,080 Speaker 1: on her. She doesn't even know he's married to a man. 932 00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,480 Speaker 1: She thinks he's married to a woman. And then she 933 00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:15,160 Speaker 1: finds out he's married to a man, and she's like, 934 00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,520 Speaker 1: you're a gag and he's like, he's like, yeah, I 935 00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,400 Speaker 1: don't know what I'm figuring. Yeah, He's like, I don't know. 936 00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:22,080 Speaker 1: And then but then he has kind of a come 937 00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,960 Speaker 1: to Jesus moment where he reckons with his own bisexuality 938 00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,400 Speaker 1: and he's like, Okay, so like this has let me 939 00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,800 Speaker 1: accept that I am bisexual. But I think, like, bearing 940 00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,120 Speaker 1: in mind everything that's gone on, like we should just 941 00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:37,040 Speaker 1: like you know, we're we're not gonna be together anymore. Right. 942 00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,440 Speaker 1: At the midpoint of the film, he watches season eight 943 00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,200 Speaker 1: of Are You the One, and he's like, I finally 944 00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:45,640 Speaker 1: understand my own attraction. Okay, so wait, if if I'm 945 00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,480 Speaker 1: the kind of if we're trying to root for the 946 00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:51,880 Speaker 1: woman in this the other woman quote unquote in this scenario, 947 00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,880 Speaker 1: but she always dies in the film in this like 948 00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,520 Speaker 1: modern remake, would she die? Or who who dies? In? 949 00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:03,560 Speaker 1: How so? She kills the husband of the guy because 950 00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:07,840 Speaker 1: she thinks that he has like tricked her man into 951 00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:12,239 Speaker 1: being gay because she's like, you're not bisexual. Bisexuality isn't real, 952 00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:17,960 Speaker 1: So like the biphobia transfers from him to her. Oh yeah, 953 00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,759 Speaker 1: the film is ultimately about biphobia. And she goes, she 954 00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:25,480 Speaker 1: goes on a rampage. Um, she kills the husband, she 955 00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:32,680 Speaker 1: kills um, I don't know, like her doorman building. And 956 00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:38,560 Speaker 1: then they ultimately have a showdown at an abandoned gay bar, 957 00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:43,560 Speaker 1: shut down because of gentrification. Um, and it's where he 958 00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:48,800 Speaker 1: used to cruise, and she has she injects herself with 959 00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,960 Speaker 1: testosterone because she's like, if you can only love a man, 960 00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:56,399 Speaker 1: I'm going to I'm going to transition. And he's like, no, 961 00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:58,600 Speaker 1: it's not that I don't love you because you're not 962 00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,719 Speaker 1: a man. I'm bisexual. I don't love you because you're 963 00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,799 Speaker 1: a psycho and you killed my husband. And she's like 964 00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:09,799 Speaker 1: that no, and so she overdoses on testosterone and right 965 00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:11,880 Speaker 1: as she dies, the police come in and like, she 966 00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:15,040 Speaker 1: has made it look like this man killed her. You 967 00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,799 Speaker 1: that okay, I think the virgins at home would think 968 00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,440 Speaker 1: that is so far fetched. But actually thinking about these 969 00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,120 Speaker 1: movies in the eighties and also this like early movie, 970 00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:27,880 Speaker 1: Like that is so something that would happen, you know 971 00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:29,920 Speaker 1: what I mean, Like that is a kind of level 972 00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,640 Speaker 1: of absurdity that would happen in this day and age. Um, 973 00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:36,440 Speaker 1: if they wanted to render this character completely. Um wow, 974 00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,040 Speaker 1: I think that's a great idea for a movie. So 975 00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:40,080 Speaker 1: anyone out there is listening, if you want to if 976 00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:42,960 Speaker 1: if you want to make it, I will write a treatment. Listen. 977 00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,719 Speaker 1: Oh my god. Also, your talking of bisexuality reminded me that, 978 00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:50,440 Speaker 1: Um I was reading that. Um another reason that people 979 00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:54,560 Speaker 1: were so like engaged in like psycho sexual thrillers in 980 00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:57,040 Speaker 1: the eighties because like there was just I guess an 981 00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:00,960 Speaker 1: onside of them. I think basic Instinct was around that time. UM, 982 00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,480 Speaker 1: a few others like maybe early nineties okay, Um, but 983 00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:09,160 Speaker 1: apparently they were kind of capitalizing off of, um, fear 984 00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:13,400 Speaker 1: of like aids, because like infidelity, like a fear of 985 00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:16,480 Speaker 1: infidelity kind of brought AIDS into the conversation, meaning like 986 00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:18,560 Speaker 1: if you cheat on me, you could give me AIDS. 987 00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:21,480 Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy? Yeah? But it's also interesting that it 988 00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,440 Speaker 1: like it's only kind of refracted through the lens of 989 00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:30,600 Speaker 1: straight culture. But there also were a bunch of Um, 990 00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:36,040 Speaker 1: you know, like these kind of sexual thrillers about trans women. UM, 991 00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:41,439 Speaker 1: Like there's one called I think it's Dressed to Kill. Um. Yeah, 992 00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,320 Speaker 1: it's a film so like maybe a little early for 993 00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,240 Speaker 1: the for the AIDS epidemic, I remember, but it's um, 994 00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:51,200 Speaker 1: it's in it. Michael Caine plays across dressing murderer. I 995 00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:54,200 Speaker 1: remember this and so like, and that's also in kind 996 00:57:54,200 --> 00:58:00,840 Speaker 1: of Silence of the Lambs a few others. Um, and yeah, 997 00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:05,040 Speaker 1: it's it's just very interesting like that we have yet 998 00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:10,080 Speaker 1: to have a queer version of what this dynamic is 999 00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,800 Speaker 1: because I think so much of the drama in these 1000 00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:20,320 Speaker 1: movies hinges on, like the trope of the hysterical woman 1001 00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:24,200 Speaker 1: and like that can only be applied to her being 1002 00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,480 Speaker 1: in love with a man. Although I guess Basic Instinct 1003 00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,640 Speaker 1: subverts that because I believe Sharon Stone's character in it 1004 00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:33,480 Speaker 1: is bisexual. Oh really, Oh my gosh, I have to 1005 00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:37,120 Speaker 1: watch Basic Instinct. Phoebe was producer. Phoebe was Sharon Stone 1006 00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:40,760 Speaker 1: and Basic Instinct for Halloween. That's incredible. How when my 1007 00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:42,920 Speaker 1: thriller gets made, which, what's it going to be? Called? 1008 00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:47,880 Speaker 1: Dressed to Kill? That's probably that's the movie I was 1009 00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:52,360 Speaker 1: just about. It could be a reboot. No, it has 1010 00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:54,280 Speaker 1: to be something like there has to be some kind 1011 00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:59,920 Speaker 1: of bisexual thing. Oh um, well, obviously the key r 1012 00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,320 Speaker 1: of the film is going to be like red and 1013 00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,480 Speaker 1: blue and they meet in the mirdle in the middle 1014 00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:07,120 Speaker 1: to create a kind of purple tone, so it looks 1015 00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:10,240 Speaker 1: like the bisexual flag. Um, it's gonna be called like, 1016 00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,400 Speaker 1: it's gonna be called atomic blonde. It's going to be 1017 00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:15,720 Speaker 1: called like greedy or something. You know. That's the thing 1018 00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:20,280 Speaker 1: about bisexual people, that's we're greedy. That's good. That's very good. Okay, okay, Um, 1019 00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,600 Speaker 1: how am I glutton for punishment? That's what we'll call it, 1020 00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:28,640 Speaker 1: glutton for punishment? I think. Um, you know it's funny 1021 00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:30,720 Speaker 1: that oh no, oh, and the girl by the way, 1022 00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,480 Speaker 1: the whole thing that happens at the end where she 1023 00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,640 Speaker 1: like does the testosterone and frames him for her murder, 1024 00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:41,080 Speaker 1: it's all being broadcast live on her podcast. Oh that 1025 00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:44,880 Speaker 1: is a good. Final twist is that everyone knows, you know, 1026 00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:48,280 Speaker 1: we're being kind of funny. But I'm I am genuinely 1027 00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,880 Speaker 1: interested in a gone girl like movie that kind of 1028 00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:55,920 Speaker 1: um inhabits the perspective of the kind of quote unquote 1029 00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:59,240 Speaker 1: other woman. I think that when I first started to 1030 00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:02,600 Speaker 1: when I win into a movie like Fatal Attraction, I 1031 01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:05,160 Speaker 1: was kind of prepared to hate it and prepared to, 1032 01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:09,760 Speaker 1: um really find it to be problematic or and or dated. 1033 01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:13,040 Speaker 1: But I thought it was an exceptional film that had 1034 01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:17,320 Speaker 1: like one fatal flaw of like not really kind of 1035 01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:20,840 Speaker 1: rooting or complicating the woman. Glenn Close filled in so 1036 01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:25,720 Speaker 1: many blanks in the script to kind of render a 1037 01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:28,920 Speaker 1: more complex kind of antihero um even though it's not 1038 01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:30,800 Speaker 1: framed that way in the film. And so I think 1039 01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:34,440 Speaker 1: that nowadays, like I would love to see any iteration 1040 01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:37,200 Speaker 1: of this kind of like woman who has kind of 1041 01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:39,680 Speaker 1: had it. Yeah, And I guess, and I guess that's 1042 01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:44,680 Speaker 1: why Obsessed like ultimately isn't a very good movie, even 1043 01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:47,640 Speaker 1: though it's an amazing movie, is because like it's not 1044 01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:52,600 Speaker 1: really concerned with making these real people. It's only concerned 1045 01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:56,960 Speaker 1: and like building building a story that leads to Beyonce 1046 01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:00,440 Speaker 1: killing a woman chandelier which is worth it? Which the 1047 01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:04,240 Speaker 1: chandelier I'm going to swing from the chandelier from the 1048 01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:08,080 Speaker 1: chandelier exactly exactly. Well. My one request is if anyone 1049 01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:10,240 Speaker 1: wants to commission us to write this film, which we 1050 01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:14,760 Speaker 1: would button for punishment, we will have to do a 1051 01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:19,160 Speaker 1: referential image of you know, this lead wearing the leather 1052 01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:23,560 Speaker 1: trench coat with tower high shoulder pads and a curly perm. 1053 01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:25,600 Speaker 1: And also one thing I forgot is that at the 1054 01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:28,840 Speaker 1: end when Ali Larder dies, so like Beyonce has tricked 1055 01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:31,440 Speaker 1: her into falling through the floor in their attic and 1056 01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:33,960 Speaker 1: then she's like hanging on and Beyonce is like, Okay, 1057 01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:35,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I don't want you to actually die, so 1058 01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,240 Speaker 1: like take my hand, I'll save you, and Ali Larder 1059 01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:39,919 Speaker 1: takes her arm and then tries to pull her down 1060 01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:42,840 Speaker 1: with her to kill them both. It's like it's it's 1061 01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,720 Speaker 1: like like I said, it's like a caricature of evil, 1062 01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:49,400 Speaker 1: but so it's so fun and they both sell it 1063 01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:53,360 Speaker 1: so well. Yeah, I wonder is wearing heels throughout this 1064 01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:56,560 Speaker 1: whole thing? Is Yeah, I forgot about that she's wearing heels. 1065 01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:59,840 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that is conique. And I did see. 1066 01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:03,240 Speaker 1: I did read that Beyonce had never done like fight 1067 01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:06,080 Speaker 1: corea before, but because of her dance background, like she 1068 01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:10,600 Speaker 1: came to it very naturally. Oh, I had no idea. Well, 1069 01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:12,680 Speaker 1: she yeah, it makes complete sense. She's such a she 1070 01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:17,320 Speaker 1: can perform literally anything. Um. I want to also, just 1071 01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:19,320 Speaker 1: so that you know there's no erasure on this podcast, 1072 01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:22,840 Speaker 1: we have to say that Obsessed belongs to you know, 1073 01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:27,600 Speaker 1: um eons of people dying by chandelier among them, you know, 1074 01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:32,080 Speaker 1: Phantom of the No One, No one dies, but intent 1075 01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:38,400 Speaker 1: intent to murder Startust does happen in start Us there 1076 01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:41,760 Speaker 1: is a moment with a chandelier, but no, Harry Potter, 1077 01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:45,440 Speaker 1: there's a chandelier thing. Someone just drops a chandelier on someone. 1078 01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:48,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna oh no, actually no, Michelle Michelle Phifer does 1079 01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:51,479 Speaker 1: die because of the chandelier in Stardust. That's an excellent movie, 1080 01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:54,520 Speaker 1: by the way, and like Michelle Phifer, Yeah, I love Stardust. 1081 01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:57,960 Speaker 1: Has Michelle Pfeiffer been in one of these movies? You know? 1082 01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,520 Speaker 1: What's so funny is because she seems like the type. 1083 01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:03,680 Speaker 1: The second gland Close walked on the screen, I immediately 1084 01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:07,000 Speaker 1: saw Michelle Phifer in Batman. Well, yeah, I mean I 1085 01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:12,880 Speaker 1: think actually Michelle Phifer's plotline in Batman like, at least 1086 01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:16,840 Speaker 1: the Christopher walking part of her Catwoman journey like, does 1087 01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:20,200 Speaker 1: feel kind of lifted from one of these kinds of movies. 1088 01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:31,120 Speaker 1: It definitely does. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well Meal, We'll be 1089 01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:35,400 Speaker 1: back next week with the discussion on Anime with J. P. Brammer. 1090 01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:40,480 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about Excited Pokemon, Sailor Move and Neon Genesis, Evangelion, 1091 01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:43,520 Speaker 1: all of those things. In the meantime, you can catch 1092 01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:45,720 Speaker 1: up on a few of those shows, or also you 1093 01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:47,760 Speaker 1: can let us know what you thought about this week's 1094 01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:51,080 Speaker 1: episode on Twitter, Instagram. Show us your favorite frame of 1095 01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:53,840 Speaker 1: Fatal Attraction, tell us so what was your favorite line 1096 01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:58,880 Speaker 1: from Obsessed? How would to Hell? But until then, I 1097 01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:02,960 Speaker 1: suggest the fourth season. 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