WEBVTT - Death & Deceit in Alliance |  5. The Wife

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<v Speaker 1>Previously on Death and Deceit in Alliance, which was the.

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<v Speaker 2>First time to get it in the name of Joe Wills hair.

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<v Speaker 3>For she was there for no, she was sitting on

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<v Speaker 3>the couch to begin with, and she jumps.

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<v Speaker 4>Out and ons over in the slang glass door.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, two blocks away from the house, to call that

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<v Speaker 1>detectives did find a print on the handle, nosh.

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<v Speaker 5>I did not do this.

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<v Speaker 6>And although you thought that the evidence proved that, I

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<v Speaker 6>know in my heart and saw, I did not do this.

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<v Speaker 4>And I wouldn't wish this on anyone.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Death and Deceit and Alliance a real time

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<v Speaker 1>investigation into whether David Thorne killed Yvonne Lane. I'm Maggie Freeling.

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<v Speaker 1>David Thorne has now been incarcerated for the murder of

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<v Speaker 1>Yvonne Lane for nearly a third of his life after

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<v Speaker 1>being convicted of the nineteen ninety nine murder of his

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<v Speaker 1>ex girlfriend Yvonne Lane. He's now forty eight years old.

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<v Speaker 7>You, I mean he's even today.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you sometimes feel like this isn't real?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 8>Because this is a life withinside of a life, because

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<v Speaker 8>this is only existing, it's not really living.

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<v Speaker 1>He figures his best chance to get out of prison

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<v Speaker 1>is to help figure out who really killed Yvonne, which

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<v Speaker 1>is tough to do behind bars. But he does have

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<v Speaker 1>allies on the outside who support him in different ways. Sue,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, we met her in the previous episode.

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<v Speaker 7>Had a brother just watch that. I have David's dog

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<v Speaker 7>and I had to lock in in the cage or you'd.

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<v Speaker 4>Be hearing what.

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<v Speaker 7>Wait?

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<v Speaker 1>So how is he David's dog? Did he have him

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<v Speaker 1>in prison?

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<v Speaker 7>It was a prison program to be part of it,

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<v Speaker 7>because you've got to.

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<v Speaker 9>Like about parl certain so he would just kind of

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<v Speaker 9>putty up to the guys who haven't dodged on the

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<v Speaker 9>dog program so that he can hang out with the dogs.

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<v Speaker 1>Sue is David's wife and longtime advocate and knows more

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<v Speaker 1>about the case than anyone. Sue felt like the system

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<v Speaker 1>did David wrong. In her gut. She just didn't believe

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<v Speaker 1>he hired a hitman, let alone a teenage one for

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<v Speaker 1>three hundred dollars.

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<v Speaker 7>Something's missing. I can't I can't understand. There's got to

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<v Speaker 7>be more.

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<v Speaker 1>And when she started doing her own digging, she did

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<v Speaker 1>find more. So when you first came on the case,

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<v Speaker 1>what was the first things that you.

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<v Speaker 7>I said, Okay, well, I need to talk to Joe.

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<v Speaker 3>So I wrote Joe a letter, but I didn't put

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<v Speaker 3>a return address because I thought, if this guy's of killer,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want him to know where I live.

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<v Speaker 7>And so I didn't get a response. And then the

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<v Speaker 7>second letter I wrote I was real vague and I

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<v Speaker 7>didn't put my last name.

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<v Speaker 3>But I had a po box by then, and he

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<v Speaker 3>wrote me back and said the typical will you send

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<v Speaker 3>me a picture?

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<v Speaker 7>You know, I'd like to get to know you, and

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<v Speaker 7>I'm like, oh, brother, it's a child.

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<v Speaker 3>But but I finally wrote him and just put it

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<v Speaker 3>on the table.

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<v Speaker 1>She told him that she'd gotten documents and there was

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<v Speaker 1>something wrong. She wondered if he'd been wrongly convicted.

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<v Speaker 7>It doesn't make sense to me.

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<v Speaker 3>So I gave him my phone number and he called me,

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<v Speaker 3>and that was on New Year's Eve, two thousand.

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<v Speaker 1>The tape is super hard to hear. I give Sue

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<v Speaker 1>a pass for two thousand's era recording. It's only half

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<v Speaker 1>an hour long, and then it cuts off as soon

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<v Speaker 1>as Sue answers. Joe pretty much got to the point.

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<v Speaker 10>But you're saying, you're saying that you're changing your statement,

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<v Speaker 10>that you did not do this March and David did

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<v Speaker 10>not He had nothing to do with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Just a few months after he testified at trial, Joe

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<v Speaker 1>had recanted his confession. Joe said that he and David

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely had nothing to do with Yvonne's murder. So Sue

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<v Speaker 1>asked the obvious question, why would he say he did

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<v Speaker 1>something he didn't do, like murder someone. He's hard to

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<v Speaker 1>hear here. What he said is the police told Joe

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<v Speaker 1>that David was filing for immunity. Joe tells Sue that

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<v Speaker 1>the police told him David was in the room next

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<v Speaker 1>door giving him up asking for immunity. In other words,

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<v Speaker 1>they said that David was making a deal and it

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<v Speaker 1>involved blaming Joe.

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<v Speaker 10>So, oh, I see, so you said what they wanted

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<v Speaker 10>you to say to get back at him.

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<v Speaker 7>Kind of, Oh, okay, pretty.

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<v Speaker 4>Much what they story.

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<v Speaker 10>But they had nothing on you if you didn't do it,

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<v Speaker 10>did they probably?

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<v Speaker 4>He thought, And they told me in story, they told

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<v Speaker 4>me a doublable for me to tell about the same

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<v Speaker 4>they did so eight floryers, great courts.

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<v Speaker 3>He said that they put him in a room and

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<v Speaker 3>they changed him to the wall by his arm, and

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<v Speaker 3>they spit on him. And they told him that they

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<v Speaker 3>wanted him to confess because David was in the next

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<v Speaker 3>room implicating him, and they were going to put him

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<v Speaker 3>in the electric chair and so forth.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe said his lawyers told him it was in his

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<v Speaker 1>best interest to take a plea to avoid the death

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<v Speaker 1>penalty considering the alleged statement David was making against him.

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<v Speaker 1>This phone call was soon was actually the first time

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<v Speaker 1>Joe was hearing that David in fact did not make

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<v Speaker 1>any statements to police nor implicate Joe in the murder.

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<v Speaker 1>And this wasn't the first time Joe was telling someone

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't kill Yvonne. Actually, his minister and youth leader,

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<v Speaker 1>wrote in an affid David that when she first went

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<v Speaker 1>to visit him after his arraignment, he was crying and

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<v Speaker 1>told her he didn't do it.

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<v Speaker 7>Who do you think did this.

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<v Speaker 4>Career?

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<v Speaker 7>I don't know, but you don't believe it's David.

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<v Speaker 4>I love life, Carol.

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<v Speaker 1>After speaking with Joe, Sue knew she opened a can

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<v Speaker 1>of worms, but she wasn't deterred. In his first interview

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<v Speaker 1>with her, Joe put himself out the scene.

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<v Speaker 10>So from the day, from the moment you walked in

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<v Speaker 10>that door, what is your story. Then you walked into

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<v Speaker 10>Why did you go there? You just went to fair

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<v Speaker 10>You walk there from the hotel.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, I've worked with a dads the semantic to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe still said that he walked from the hotel to

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<v Speaker 1>go see Yvonne and invite her to a hotel party.

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<v Speaker 1>This was one of the many stories Joe would tell.

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<v Speaker 1>And when he walked in, Yvonne was dead.

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<v Speaker 10>And then what did you think when you fell a

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<v Speaker 10>land there?

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<v Speaker 7>He didn't think.

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<v Speaker 4>You mean they knock out?

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<v Speaker 10>How did you have to step in the blood? How

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<v Speaker 10>did you happen to step in the blood?

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<v Speaker 4>Were heard clear?

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<v Speaker 1>So Joe put himself at the scene, but he said

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't do it, and that's possible. Sue found out

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<v Speaker 1>something about the defense.

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<v Speaker 3>I discovered after trial that they had contacted somebody and

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<v Speaker 3>not used him. They contacted somebody, and I believe it

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<v Speaker 3>was New Milton, Ohio or somewhere in southwestern Ohio. And

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<v Speaker 3>he had examined Joe's pants and Joe's knife quote unquote,

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<v Speaker 3>and he said that there was no blood evidence on them,

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<v Speaker 3>and he would expect to find blood evidence even if

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<v Speaker 3>they'd been in the elements for a period of time.

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<v Speaker 3>He said, there is no evidence at all of any

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<v Speaker 3>blood on either of these items.

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<v Speaker 1>No blood evidence whatsoever on the pants or knife that

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<v Speaker 1>was allegedly used in this incredibly brutal, violent, virtually decapitating murder.

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<v Speaker 1>But for some reason, the defense didn't call the expert

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<v Speaker 1>to the stand that would have been pretty important for

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<v Speaker 1>a jury to hear. Sue was able to get her

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<v Speaker 1>own expert to examine the crime scene photos and form

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<v Speaker 1>his own opinion.

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<v Speaker 11>Bred Turvy, a nationally known criminal forensics expert, picked apart

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<v Speaker 11>what he calls a botched.

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<v Speaker 1>Case, said Joe could not have cut Yvon's neck on

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<v Speaker 1>the couch. For one, where Joe would have been sitting

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<v Speaker 1>was covered in blood.

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<v Speaker 7>There's where he supposedly is sitting while he does this.

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<v Speaker 10>There's blood spatter all over the skirt of the couch,

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<v Speaker 10>so there's unless of blood transferred through his entire body.

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<v Speaker 7>There is no way anybody was sitting in that spot.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what Turvy told Channel five News he believed

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<v Speaker 1>happened and how the blood got on the couch. He

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<v Speaker 1>said that the heavy bloodspurs on the sliding glass doors

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<v Speaker 1>suggested Yvon was standing at the doors facing the puppies.

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<v Speaker 1>Outside when her throat was slit from behind.

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<v Speaker 11>Expert Brett Turvey says the killers struck while the victim

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<v Speaker 11>was standing here by the sliding glass doors, slice it

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<v Speaker 11>from behind.

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<v Speaker 6>She begins to spur blood, pumping blood violently out of

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<v Speaker 6>her neck.

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<v Speaker 11>The killer supported the victim on the way down, then

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<v Speaker 11>pulled her across the floor.

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<v Speaker 6>And there's dragon and smear marks in the blood. She's

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<v Speaker 6>being assisted from the sliding glass door to the area

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<v Speaker 6>between a couch and the television.

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<v Speaker 1>Based on the photos, it appears there was also a

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<v Speaker 1>dragmark on the floor like the killer may have dragged

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<v Speaker 1>Yvonne after slicing her throat, touching her bloody body. And

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<v Speaker 1>again it was incredibly bloody, and Joe had no blood

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<v Speaker 1>on his clothes.

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<v Speaker 7>She said that Joe's statement did not match the evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I'm not saying Turvey's account is the right one,

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<v Speaker 1>but if someone like him had testified, it certainly could

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<v Speaker 1>have left reasonable doubt that Joe did this. But David's

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<v Speaker 1>team never called a rebuttal witness. And then there's the motive.

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<v Speaker 1>Prosecutors said David didn't want to pay child support at

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<v Speaker 1>the time of the murder. David said he was making

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<v Speaker 1>about fourteen dollars an hour at a high end car shop,

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<v Speaker 1>which in nineteen ninety nine was pretty good money around

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<v Speaker 1>twenty six dollars today. And since he was working on cars,

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<v Speaker 1>he says he also went to swap meets and sold

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<v Speaker 1>expensive parts for cash. He tells me one part could

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<v Speaker 1>pay a month of child support, which again was three

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty one dollars. And again that motive, to

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<v Speaker 1>me is a bit off, not to mention paying three

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<v Speaker 1>hundred dollars for a teen hit man. It just seems

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<v Speaker 1>so weak to me. When Sue first started on the case,

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<v Speaker 1>it was twenty two years ago. She was young and

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<v Speaker 1>passionate and put in a ton of legwork. One of

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<v Speaker 1>the first people she spoke with was Linda McLaughlin, Eric

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<v Speaker 1>Cameron's mother. Remember, Eric is the father of three of

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<v Speaker 1>Yvonne's children. He's the reason David and yvon broke up.

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<v Speaker 1>Yvonn couldn't quit Eric even when he was in jail.

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<v Speaker 1>You talked to Linda at length about, you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>her involvement.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I suspected everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Linda was taking care of Eric and Yvonne's special needs son. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>she basically raised him from the time he was born.

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<v Speaker 7>Yvonne gave her Vinnie went from the hospital. Is what

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<v Speaker 7>I understand.

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<v Speaker 3>Bennie needs special care, and I think she kept him

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<v Speaker 3>until he was poor because she took Yvonne took him

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<v Speaker 3>back just before the murder, which made me go, hmmm, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Because Linda wanted him right. But Yvonne had recently taken

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<v Speaker 1>Vinnie back from Linda, and that was causing tension between

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<v Speaker 1>the two. Sue thought, could this be a motive. Linda

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<v Speaker 1>passed away some years ago, so we weren't able to

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<v Speaker 1>speak with her, but luckily Sue recorded her conversation and

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<v Speaker 1>asked Linda straight up, I.

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<v Speaker 7>Understood special permission something reny from you. Would that make

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<v Speaker 7>you go I just want to kill her?

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<v Speaker 11>No?

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<v Speaker 7>No, and I had no power.

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<v Speaker 2>I can take you on how you walk to Jeryl, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>we're kind when I wanted to punch her out, but

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<v Speaker 2>as far as killing that, that ever even went through

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<v Speaker 2>my mind. I loved Benny. I don't worry as much

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<v Speaker 2>as I love my kid and still there. But I

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<v Speaker 2>understood to a certain degree why she was doing what

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<v Speaker 2>she was doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Sue is also suspicious about Linda's boyfriend at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>and his name is Jeremy. Remember Vinny was supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>have said he saw a Jimmy, Josh or Jeremy kill Mommy.

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<v Speaker 1>The name was hard to make out. Well, he certainly

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<v Speaker 1>would have known a Jeremy who was virtually his grandfather.

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<v Speaker 1>Sue put the question to Linda, does she think or

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<v Speaker 1>know anything about Jeremy killing Yvonne.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't see Jeremy doing anything like that.

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<v Speaker 7>Would he do it for you? You're a She took

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<v Speaker 7>the book me.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think Jeremy had that and and to do

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<v Speaker 2>something like that, and I'm only part of it, you

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<v Speaker 2>got to fall. Yeah, what a good name because he

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<v Speaker 2>did me beat me up. He beat me up a

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<v Speaker 2>few times there.

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<v Speaker 1>Sue says she knew Jeremy was violent and the police

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<v Speaker 1>should have looked at him.

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<v Speaker 7>I remember that time I came here half and I

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<v Speaker 7>asked her just work that night? And he felt, oh

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<v Speaker 7>I why I can't talk? Her heart had affect fact.

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<v Speaker 1>But if the police considered Jeremy a suspect, there is

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<v Speaker 1>no record of any conversation with him. I also want

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<v Speaker 1>to note that when I spoke to Preston, one of

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<v Speaker 1>Yvonne's kids, who is now a grown man. He pointed

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<v Speaker 1>something out to me.

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<v Speaker 7>When I went to there that night, I was going

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<v Speaker 7>the way.

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<v Speaker 1>Vinnie had already been put to bed that night in

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<v Speaker 1>his diaper and slept in a crib on the ground floor.

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<v Speaker 1>He couldn't out alone yet when Tanya came in the house,

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<v Speaker 1>he was out of the crib and fully dressed when

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<v Speaker 1>police arrived.

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<v Speaker 7>So that somebody got him dressed. So who would know

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<v Speaker 7>where Vincent's clothes were?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think about that?

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, well, not many people could just grab them.

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<v Speaker 8>So that's that if she didn't know you, he can

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<v Speaker 8>treat it out. You can't just pick him out as

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<v Speaker 8>a total stranger.

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<v Speaker 1>So to Preston, it seems likely the person who murdered

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<v Speaker 1>his mom was someone who knew Vinnie, was able to

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<v Speaker 1>hold him, dress him, and took care of him. Someone

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<v Speaker 1>like Vinnie's grandmother or her boyfriend Jeremy, or maybe a

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<v Speaker 1>friendly neighbor.

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<v Speaker 12>And there's a guy that she used to hang out

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<v Speaker 12>with flied around the corner from her out named Jim,

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<v Speaker 12>and I interviewed Jim, and she was.

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<v Speaker 1>Character Jim lived directly behind Yvonne, and as Sue mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>Yvonn would often hang out with Jim. Jim's never been

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<v Speaker 1>formally accused in this case, so I'm only going to

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<v Speaker 1>use his first name.

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<v Speaker 7>I went to interview him just as a neighbor and

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<v Speaker 7>a witness, and I thought something's not right here.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember there's a neighbor across the street who said she

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<v Speaker 1>saw Yvonne on the night of March thirty first, the

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<v Speaker 1>night she was killed. The neighbor said Yvonne was outside

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<v Speaker 1>around five thirty pm crushing soda cans, talking to a

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<v Speaker 1>forty year old white man about five foot seven in

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<v Speaker 1>a plaid shirt with curly, graying hair. Turns out this

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<v Speaker 1>was Jim. And we know this because it's documented in

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<v Speaker 1>police reports that Jim himself told officers he talked to

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<v Speaker 1>Yvonne around that time in her driveway, just as the

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<v Speaker 1>neighbor described.

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<v Speaker 12>He was seeing my neighbor standing at her front door.

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<v Speaker 12>She's got a bunch of cans popcns dumped on the

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<v Speaker 12>ground on our sidewalk. Why outside her door, smashing with

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<v Speaker 12>her feet, and the neighbors saw her doing it. She

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<v Speaker 12>never finished smashing them. They were still laying there when

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<v Speaker 12>they found their body.

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<v Speaker 9>And I wouldn't you go finish that yeah, but he

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<v Speaker 9>was standing outside her front door with her, and he

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<v Speaker 9>told them in a police handwritten note that it was

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<v Speaker 9>he was there to see the puppies because he might

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<v Speaker 9>want a puppy.

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<v Speaker 1>Jim told officers he went to Yvonne's to see the puppies.

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<v Speaker 1>They were on the deck, visible to anyone who could

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<v Speaker 1>see the house.

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<v Speaker 3>And I thought, oh, I'd never even you know, And

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<v Speaker 3>then I started putting the Jimmy stuff together.

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<v Speaker 1>Josh, Jimmy or Jeremy. From what we know, Jim the neighbor,

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<v Speaker 1>was the last person to see Vonn alive. That was

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<v Speaker 1>about five thirty pm. The coroner said Yvonne could have

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<v Speaker 1>been killed as early as seven pm, just ninety minutes later.

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<v Speaker 7>So if you're at the door at five thirty, she's

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<v Speaker 7>bead at seven. In that hour and a half, he

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<v Speaker 7>had to see the puppies, have a conversation. You don't

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<v Speaker 7>walk in and go okay, there's.

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<v Speaker 1>Puppy by Jim told the officers that that night, March

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<v Speaker 1>thirty first, he worked from ten pm to six am.

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<v Speaker 1>This would have given him plenty of time to commit

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<v Speaker 1>the crime. Get to work by ten pm, So Jim,

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<v Speaker 1>like Joe, placed himself at Yvonne's house at five thirty

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<v Speaker 1>pm the night of the murder. When police questioned what

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<v Speaker 1>he did after he was seen in Yvonne's driveway, he

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<v Speaker 1>said he went on a bike ride, something that's just

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<v Speaker 1>impossible to verify. But then it looks like police stopped

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<v Speaker 1>following up on Jim, the last known person to see

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<v Speaker 1>Yvonne alive. Jim was not called to testify, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>no formal interview with him in the case file. All

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<v Speaker 1>there is is one officer's third person mention of what

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<v Speaker 1>Jim told police the day her body was discovered, that

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<v Speaker 1>he was there about five thirty pm, and then a

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<v Speaker 1>second neighbor told police they saw a guy leaving Yvonne's

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<v Speaker 1>house before she was discovered that morning. He gave police

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<v Speaker 1>his statement well before David's trial, but that report was

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<v Speaker 1>never given to David's defense team, and that could be

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<v Speaker 1>a bombshell.

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<v Speaker 5>So Frankly, when I was reading first about Joe, I

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<v Speaker 5>was like, yeah, I think David might have done that.

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<v Speaker 7>I think he might have.

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<v Speaker 5>But then as I I then when I made the

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<v Speaker 5>report and the George Hale story is like, no, something's

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<v Speaker 5>missing here, and why didn't the prosecution turn this over

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<v Speaker 5>and what is going on here?

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<v Speaker 4>What's up with that?

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<v Speaker 5>And why it wasn't further investigated. So it makes her

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<v Speaker 5>feel like there's more to the story.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up on Deaf and Deceit and Alliance.

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<v Speaker 5>This man was in a house with a dead body

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<v Speaker 5>and was either cleaning up for the killer or was

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<v Speaker 5>the killer that a guy came out with.

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<v Speaker 7>A trash bag.

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<v Speaker 12>That's all I see.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, just glance why that report wasn't provided to

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<v Speaker 5>the defense, Like, what's up with that?

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<v Speaker 11>Did you find somebody you recommended? I did point out somebody,

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<v Speaker 11>Ail says. Detectives told him later the picture he pointed

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<v Speaker 11>out was that of an Alliance police officer.

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<v Speaker 5>That is the one key part of this case set

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<v Speaker 5>just never sat right with me, like the fact that

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<v Speaker 5>it was never turned over to the defense is shocking.

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