1 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: The Cardinals have six quarterbacks on the roster, which two 2 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 1: or three make the fifty three man roster? It is 3 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: an excellent question. Welcome bird Gang. On today's show, Darren 4 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: Urban joins me teams must reduce their rosters by Tuesday. 5 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 1: So what exactly are the Cardinals going to do? Our thoughts, Plus, 6 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 1: we look back at pre season finale at the Vikings. 7 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode six hundred and sixty six, 8 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: and it starts now. 9 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two. 10 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: Boda Baker, What Heart? What rent? This guy's unbelievable? 11 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 2: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of 12 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts. Visit Acycardinals 13 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 2: dot com, Slash podcasts. 14 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: He's a the ten half of five. He's it again, 15 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: so more hurry magic. 16 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 2: Whoa, here's Craig griolud. 17 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: So before we get into everyone's favorite subjects, and that 18 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: would be QB one, how is Minnesota? 19 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:09,119 Speaker 2: Darren? 20 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 3: That was lovely? That's Minnesota. 21 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 2: Nice? 22 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 3: There, Craig, have you never heard that? No, they say 23 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 3: that that you never heard in Minnesota nice. It's it's 24 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 3: not a slogan, per se but it is a thing 25 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 3: where the nice people of Minnesota are host host whoever 26 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 3: wants to come in. 27 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 2: So yeah, not heard that before. 28 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 1: All right, did you meet many nice Minnesota people outside 29 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: of Larry Fitzgerald? 30 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 3: I mean, to be honest, I probably didn't have a 31 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 3: whole lot. I mean, the the wait staff and a 32 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 3: couple of restaurants I went to. I guess we're fine. 33 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 3: Didn't didn't spend a lot of time around uh, non 34 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 3: cardinal people, to be honest. Good to see Fits, and 35 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 3: it was very nice. I should have spent more time 36 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 3: watching practice on Wednesday instead of talking to Fits. 37 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: Come on, it's Larry Fitzgerald. 38 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 3: That's true. 39 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: And in Wednesday's practice, as we've documented, it probably wasn't 40 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: worth watching. 41 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 3: I saw enough of it that I got a good 42 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 3: gist of what was going on Wednesday. 43 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 1: What about saturdays dramatic comeback from fourteen down? All right, 44 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: I'm being facetious just a little bit. 45 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 3: I mean again, you never want to blow off a 46 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 3: chance to get a win. The fact that they got 47 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 3: behind so big so early and then were able to 48 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 3: make sure that they didn't get really stomped from that point, 49 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 3: which could have been something I think does mean something, 50 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 3: even for the guys that are at the end of 51 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 3: the roster. I'll be curious to know how many people 52 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 3: that played in that game ultimately make this team. 53 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: Eighteen seventeen the final and I went through everyone who 54 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: did not play in that game, and as you noted 55 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:52,239 Speaker 1: on Asycardinals dot Com, the only quote unquote starter according 56 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: to the depth chart who played Chris Barnes. Now do 57 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 1: we read into that because Josh Woods didn't play. 58 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 3: I know somebody's got to play Craig, that's true. 59 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: But it was interesting in who did and who didn't. 60 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: Key Truck Clark didn't play, Michael Wilson didn't play, Victor D. 61 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 1: Muckage didn't play, which I found interesting. My J. Sanders 62 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,279 Speaker 1: is he healthy? He was not on the football field. 63 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: Those two to me, especially in that room, they need reps. 64 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. Uh. The D Mucage thing was a little interesting 65 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 3: to me. What exactly does that mean? The my J. 66 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 3: Sanders thing doesn't totally surprise me. He's been banged up 67 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 3: and you don't know the extent of where he is. 68 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 3: And that's the other thing about you know, looking at 69 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 3: those who played and didn't play, it's important to know 70 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 3: who's healthy and who's not. Like we we know that 71 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 3: Key tro Clark is healthy. We know Michael Wilson is healthy, 72 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 3: so that means a little bit more when other guys 73 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 3: aren't playing. I mean, for all, we know Victor d 74 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 3: Mucagee was banged up, uh and in one of the practices, 75 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 3: we don't know, So that's that's part of it. But 76 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 3: it does say a lot when you're talking about you 77 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 3: know who's playing in that last preseason game, and who's 78 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 3: playing a lot of snaps, and you know who has 79 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 3: to be out. 80 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: There ninety players plus Bernard's psyche of it. So let's 81 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: go with ninety one, and you need to get down 82 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: to fifty. 83 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 3: Are they at ninety one? 84 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: Yes, I double checked. They're at ninety one if you 85 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: count Bernhard. 86 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, even after trading two and only getting one back. 87 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. I did the math. I did all that in 88 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 1: and they're subtracted. Yeah, But fifty three is the number 89 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: that you need to be correct Tuesday at one pm. Now, 90 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: I don't know when we'll know who is and who's. 91 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: Stuff has already starting to leak around the league. In fact, 92 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: teams on Sunday started making whether you're releasing a player 93 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: or waving a player, but historically this team, Darren waits 94 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: until what Tuesday about three point thirty three forty five 95 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: four o'clock. 96 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll be something like that. It'll be I believe 97 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 3: a there'll be some name that leak out, because what 98 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 3: happens is when a player gets released, an agent is 99 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 3: going to want to let the world know that his 100 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 3: guy is going to be out there. So I do 101 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 3: think some of the names will leak, not all of 102 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 3: them will leak. And then yeah, even though it's got 103 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 3: to be in at one PM, I believe that it'll 104 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 3: be a couple two three hours before this team officially 105 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 3: puts anything out there. And then you go through the 106 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 3: waiverclaim situation, which obviously if you claim let's say you 107 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 3: claim four guys and you're awarded for claimed guys, then 108 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 3: you got to find four guys on your initial fifty 109 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 3: three to cut to bring in those four guys. So 110 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 3: there's a lot of moving parts in the next couple 111 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 3: of days. And I think we're going to get a 112 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 3: lot of moving parts. 113 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: And if you do claim a guy, as you and 114 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: I discussed before we hit the air here on Cardinals 115 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: Cover two presented by Hyundai product partner of the Arizona Cardinals. 116 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 1: You better be sure you want that player, because it's 117 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: not just taking up a roster spot. It's taking up 118 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 1: a roster spot for the first three weeks of the 119 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: regular season. So you have to either have some familiarity, 120 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 1: you watch them on tape, you scatter them in college 121 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: or whatever, because it's not just a one and done 122 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: or maul. We'll think about it and then the next 123 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: day you get rid of them. It's three weeks into 124 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: the regular season, and. 125 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 3: I know this team has already been I mean last 126 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 3: week was already making sure they had a ready list 127 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 3: of let's say, guys that they because every team does this. 128 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 3: You go through all the rosters and you try and 129 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 3: guestimate who might be on the waiver wire, who might 130 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 3: be coming out. So they've already they've already done the 131 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 3: studies in terms of I mean, obviously you don't know 132 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 3: for sure, and there's gonna be some surprises, but generally 133 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 3: they try and come up with a ready list of 134 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 3: guys that are on the fringe of who they would 135 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 3: want to pick up if they became available, and again, 136 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 3: we'll see what happens. They've got the third waiver claim, 137 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 3: which means the way it works is this anybody being 138 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 3: cut now, and some guys have already been cut, but 139 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 3: in this particular case, usually it's twenty four hours. In 140 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 3: this particular place, every guy doesn't go through the waiverclaim 141 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 3: thing until the one o'clock on Tuesday, Arizona time, and 142 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 3: then it's twenty I don't know if it's twenty four 143 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 3: hours from them. It might be a shorter period of time, 144 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 3: but I think all the waiver claims have to be 145 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 3: in at like nine am, Arizona time by Wednesday, so 146 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 3: it's it's a very quick turnaround and then and then 147 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 3: you start sorting it out. And if the Cardinals put 148 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 3: in a claim for a player and the Texans or 149 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 3: the Bear or not the Texans, you know it is 150 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 3: the Texans. The Texans are the Bears don't claim that 151 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 3: same player, then they're going to get awarded that player. 152 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 3: Then they got to figure that out. 153 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: And even if the Cardinals claim four or five players, 154 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: they could have submitted a claim for up to ten 155 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: twelve players, but we might not know because the two 156 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: teams ahead of them to the same guy. So that's 157 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: but sometimes that will always maybe leak out so and 158 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: so also claimed X, Y and Z or this player 159 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: had multiple teams. 160 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 3: Interesting, it just depends on what the league is willing 161 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 3: to put out there or all that stuff. 162 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: The big question, though, and it's what we've been discussing 163 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: basically all off season, but it really hit a heightened 164 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: point on Thursday, is what does his team do at 165 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: the quarterback position? Right now? There are six quarterbacks on 166 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: the roster. How many do you think, not forget the names, 167 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: right now, six quarterbacks? How many make the fifty three 168 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 1: man roster. Do you think they'll go three or maybe 169 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 1: roll the dice with two. 170 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 3: I think they go three. Okay, I think they go three, 171 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 3: and I think and I don't know this, but I 172 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 3: think they go three, and I think Kyler Murray ends 173 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 3: up on the pup list. 174 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: I agree with that K one is not one of 175 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: those three. He'll miss the first four weeks and then 176 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: perhaps more because he needs to practice before he returns, 177 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: and then I'm going to go out on a limb. 178 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,719 Speaker 1: Jeff Driscoll is not making this team based on the fact. 179 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 3: Hey I remember I'm living on the edge that I am, the. 180 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: Fact that we did not see him at all in 181 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: the preseason. All right, so we went from six to four. 182 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: We're keeping three of the four Colt McCoy, Clayton Tune, 183 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: David Blow and the new guy, Josh Dobbs. Yes, which 184 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: three are you keeping? If you're the gentlemanager? 185 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 3: I mean, here's the problem. We don't have all the information. 186 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 3: We don't know what they're basing it on. And to me, 187 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 3: really it's I think Dobbs is on this team. You 188 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 3: don't spend a fifth round pick and not keep him. 189 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 3: And I think Clayton Tune's on this team. So then 190 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 3: it comes down to Blow or McCoy, and in most 191 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 3: I assume it's McCoy. But did they go get Dobbs 192 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 3: because of where Colt McCoy is right now, or did 193 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 3: they get him just because they felt like they wanted 194 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 3: another veteran and maybe they didn't have that guy. And 195 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 3: Kyler's going to be out a while. I don't know, 196 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 3: and we're not really gonna know, so I think it's 197 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 3: fair to speculate that they're not sure if they're going 198 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 3: to keep McCoy, And I think it's fair to speculate 199 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 3: that Colt McCoy is still your starter and you just 200 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 3: wanted one more veteran on the roster. 201 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: The Dobbs equation or question in this is interesting because 202 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: postgame and no, it wasn't wasn't even postgame. It was 203 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: on the broadcast Manti Austin Ford talking with Dave Pash 204 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: and Ron Wolfley mentioned that this opportunity presented itself. The 205 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: word out of Cleveland is that they were caught off guard. 206 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,559 Speaker 1: The Cardinals picked up the phone and said, Hey, we 207 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: want josh Dobbs, who you just named your backup. So 208 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 1: now maybe it's more semantics presented itself. I think it 209 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: was more of the Cardinals looking so if we're going 210 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 1: to go by that that they were not quite happy 211 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: with what they had currently available. If you take Kyler 212 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: out of the equation. 213 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 3: Joshua Dobbs was a guy who they apparently looked into 214 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 3: signing in the spring. The Browns basically threw more money 215 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,839 Speaker 3: at Josh Dobbs, so he went back to Cleveland for 216 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 3: a second time. But it was a it was a 217 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 3: player that they looked at having. And I'm assuming we 218 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 3: don't know exactly what the timeline is, but where I'm 219 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 3: assuming that timeline is before they brought back David Blough. 220 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 3: So they they would have had Dobbs instead of Blow 221 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 3: I'm guessing, and then that didn't quite work out, so 222 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,319 Speaker 3: they went they kept. They ended up deciding to keep 223 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 3: David Blau. But yeah, I I I think you're one 224 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 3: hundred percent. I mean, the way it worked out for 225 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 3: Cleveland where they're cutting another guy and all of a 226 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 3: sudden they're pulling them back of waivers. That doesn't that 227 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 3: doesn't feel like, Hey, we're gonna shop this guy. Uh, 228 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden this happened. I mean, 229 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 3: I guess suppose. I guess it could have that. They 230 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 3: could have been shopping them and the last second the 231 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 3: Cardinals said, hey, you know what, we would like him, 232 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 3: And by that time they had already said they were 233 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 3: gonna put the other guy in waivers. I don't know, 234 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 3: but yes, I agree with you. It feels like the 235 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 3: Cardinals were the ones that maybe calling around and and 236 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,559 Speaker 3: and seeing what what might work. But who knows. 237 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: Josh Dobbs is going to be one of the three 238 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 1: quarterbacks on this team. Got to be, and that's one 239 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: hundred percent certainty. Now I can make a case for 240 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: the other three to keep or not. And I'm agreement 241 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: with you. That I do believe it's Colt McCoy, Clayton Tune, 242 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:19,959 Speaker 1: and Josh Thobbs in whatever particular order, because I don't 243 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: think we're gonna know what order it is until week one, correct, 244 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: I mean as far as heck it might have been 245 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 1: even your question post game to Jonathan Gannon and he 246 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: answered no starter's name when specifically asked about who your 247 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: starting quarterback is. So I don't think if you're not 248 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:36,239 Speaker 1: gonna make that announcement Saturday, you're not gonna make that announcement. 249 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 3: Texan Stroud. Yes, like I believe every team is named 250 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 3: the starter at this point, correct, except. 251 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 1: For every team whoa So thirty one out of thirty 252 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: two team years, I think so I would have you fascinating. 253 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 3: I mean, are you would you be not surprised that third? 254 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: No, the fact that the Cardinals haven't that that would 255 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: be the surprise is like, you got thirty one out 256 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: of thirty two, and well, here's why, here's why, why 257 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 1: is this thirty not making any other Here's. 258 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 3: Where we're getting the semantics? Though, Do have they not 259 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:10,319 Speaker 3: named it publicly or have they not named it? I 260 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 3: think we don't know that it's very possible they know 261 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 3: who their starting quarterback is going to be. He just 262 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 3: Jonathan Gannon just doesn't want to tell anybody. 263 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:20,719 Speaker 1: See, I would have thought I and I did think 264 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:24,439 Speaker 1: that until Thursday's news is that Josh Dobbs was now 265 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: part of that quarterback conversation because I always thought it 266 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: was more coach speak. Colt's gonna be the guy until 267 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 1: Kyler comes back, and I don't think and this goes back, 268 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: all right, So Josh Dobbs is on this team. Colt McCoy, 269 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: he has not done anything to say I'm the guy, 270 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: meaning slam the door shut. I can handle however long 271 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray is going to be out, whether that is 272 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: four weeks, six weeks, seven, eight weeks. He has not 273 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: done that. Now, based off what you've seen, Devil's Advocate, 274 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 1: do you get rid of Colt McCoy, you're not. It's 275 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: not so much the money on the cap, forget forget 276 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: the dead. This team has so much cap space that 277 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: that's not even a consideration. Chris, whatever dollars you're saving, 278 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: And Colt McCoy had six of his seven and a 279 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 1: half million dollars of salary, a two year contract guaranteed 280 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: a signing so you're only I won't say you're only saving, 281 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: but you're saving a million and a half by getting. 282 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 3: Rid of cold. No, no, I agree that it has 283 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 3: nothing to do with money at this point. If you 284 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 3: if you have determined that Colt McCoy, at age thirty six, 285 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 3: thirty seven, that's about right, physically cannot do what you 286 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 3: need him to do, that would be the reason that 287 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 3: I would move on. It would be weird to me 288 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 3: if he would have taken he would have been first 289 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 3: string basically all through camp and then all of a 290 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 3: sudden at the very end, you're like, we'd rather have 291 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 3: David Blow. That seems strange to me. 292 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: To me as well, but I I don't know. Blah 293 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: by excuse me. McCoy by the way, thirty seven on 294 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: September fifth, Okay, so his birthday is coming up. I'll 295 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: get something for him, provided he's ill. 296 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 3: I will do that. 297 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: Sure, it would be odd. 298 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 3: What do you get a guy named Colt really. 299 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: For the man who has everything? I don't know, probab 300 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: good question. Maybe a roster spot. Well, I need to 301 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: guarantee a roster spot for Colt McCoy. It would be 302 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: odd because he has been the number one guy throughout 303 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: the off season training camp, pres he has been the guy, 304 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: and it would be late in the day so to 305 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: speak to say all right, we're gonna go a different director. 306 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 3: I mean, even in practice last week in Minnesota, he 307 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 3: was still basically taking the first team reps. I know 308 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 3: Clayton Tune did get some, but Clayton Colt McCoy was 309 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 3: still getting the first team reps. 310 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: And there were only two practices at State Farm Stadium 311 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: in which Colt was given the day off in which 312 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: he was just going through the motions and pointing. So 313 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: this narrative that. 314 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 3: And and even then he was really given the day off. 315 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: He was still Yeah, he was participate, he wasn't throwing. 316 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: Now there's been no indication outside of the plan that 317 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: they have for him that his elbow is an issue, 318 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: which according to him, he had believe. He admitted that 319 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: he had surgery on that elbow in the off season. 320 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: So does he have the arm strength again, that's from 321 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: what we've seen. I think he's okay being your guy now. 322 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: Clayton Tune, who forgeard him for a while, everyone wanted 323 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: him to be the guy. I don't think he's done 324 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: anything to where you're comfortable in playing him week one 325 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: as your starter. Question is are you comfortable in him 326 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: being one snap away, perhaps even the second offensive snap 327 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: of the game week one in Washington, to be the backup. 328 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 3: Well, here's here's where the Dobbs thing gets interesting. Did 329 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 3: they get Josh Dobbs because of Colt McCoy or did 330 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 3: they get Josh Dobbs because of Clayton Tune. 331 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: We don't know, and I don't know if we'll ever 332 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: know that. 333 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 3: We keep talking about all this stuff, but maybe about 334 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 3: Colt McCoy. But maybe this has to do more of like, Okay, 335 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 3: we like some of the things Clayton Tune is doing, 336 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 3: but we we can't be in a situation where if 337 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 3: Colt gets hurt, Clayton Tune is the guy we got 338 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 3: to turn to. Right now, I would. 339 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: Agree with that, and maybe you look at all right 340 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:27,919 Speaker 1: now it's Clayton Tune can't be our backup. He becomes 341 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: our third quarterback. We need someone else who becomes David 342 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:34,360 Speaker 1: Blow versus Josh Dobbs. As far as who you're comfortable 343 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 1: with having as your backup, and perhaps that backup during 344 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 1: however long Kyler's out could supplant Colt as your starter. 345 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 2: Sure. 346 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 3: I mean again, I think it's clear that they had 347 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 3: interest in Joshua Dobbs. So you know, I'm not ruling 348 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 3: anything out. It could be about McCoy, it could be 349 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 3: about it could be about Clayton Tune. It could be 350 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 3: about Joshua Dobbs. And like, okay, we after going through 351 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 3: all this camp, we God, we wish we could have 352 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 3: had him. Let's try one more time to try and 353 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 3: get him. Oh, we can get him. Well, maybe after 354 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 3: a couple of weeks he will be up to date 355 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 3: enough where we can put him in the lineup throughout. 356 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 1: The scenario, potentially getting rid of Colt McCoy. What about 357 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: the unlikely scenario that of the four, Clayton Tune is 358 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 1: the odd man out and you release someone that you 359 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 1: have high expectations for who has looked good, he's flashed, 360 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: but he's a fifth round pick. He's obviously not ready, 361 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 1: and you slat. I agree with you, Dan, I'm just 362 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: giving everyone the scenario. Play with me here a little 363 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: bitt's have some fun here on Cardinals cover two on 364 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: a Monday. All right, so you think perhaps you can 365 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 1: slide him onto the practice squad because as we discuss 366 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 1: if you claim someone, you have to put them on 367 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:52,360 Speaker 1: your active roster for three weeks. Is there another team 368 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: around the league that had as high a grade on 369 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: Clayton Tune as the Arizona Cardinals to claim him to 370 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: be your backup or third string quarterback for the first 371 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 1: three weeks? 372 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 3: I guarantee you he would be claimed by somebody. I 373 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 3: would guarantee you, okay to stosst stashing for three weeks? 374 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:13,400 Speaker 3: Is your inactive third quarterback? Yeah? 375 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: I just don't. I mean again, I'll be honest. I 376 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 1: did not watch Clayton Tune in college, so I have that. 377 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: That's all I'm basing off of is practice and game tape. 378 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: And yeah, he's got the mobility that you like in 379 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: a quarterback, much more mobile than a Colt McCoy. He's 380 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: got some arm strength, but too many times he's overthrowing, underthrowing. 381 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: He's a rookie, That's okay, And that's why I don't 382 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: think he's ready to be your starter. 383 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 3: Get it. 384 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: And I don't even know if he's ready to be 385 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 1: your backup quarterback. 386 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 3: I don't. I don't know that either, But I do 387 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 3: know for a fact in my head that there's no 388 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 3: way he goes unclaimed if you were to cut him, 389 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 3: no way. And even if he was and you got him, 390 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 3: mind your practice squad. He is eligible to be taken 391 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 3: by any team at any time. 392 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: That's true, signed off the p squad. 393 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 3: Yes, there's no way. 394 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 1: There's no way, because that is the game that you 395 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: play now. If you're trying to release someone because you 396 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: don't quite have the numbers to keep everyone, and you 397 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: still like ex young player at wide receiver, outside linebacker, 398 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: and you're like, we can develop, we see something, we 399 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: just don't have the room right now, and you slide 400 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: them on to waivers because hey, there's no way this 401 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,640 Speaker 1: guy's gonna get claimed. And sometimes they slide through, other 402 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: times they don't. But I don't know. I'm I tend 403 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: to lean more towards you that Clayton Tune would get claimed. 404 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 1: But there is a part of me wondering, Okay, have 405 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: you seen enough in preseason games? If you're thirty one 406 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 1: other teams out there like, okay, he's better than what 407 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: we have already in our room. 408 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 3: You you literally have doubt about that. 409 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: There's a small little percent just because you win one 410 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,919 Speaker 1: hundred percent. I don't know if I'm at one hundred percent. 411 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 3: Thirty one other teams, I guarantee you there's at least 412 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 3: one other team that would be willing to pick them. 413 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: And all it takes is one, yeah, you're crazy, okay, 414 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,919 Speaker 1: and there's part then it's you might very well be 415 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 1: correct in that. I just again all it is. 416 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,679 Speaker 3: And I'm not saying he's ready to start. I'm not 417 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 3: saying he's ready to back up. But you are legit 418 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 3: crazy if you don't think if you put him on waivers, 419 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 3: he's not going to get picked up by something. 420 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 1: It was just something that I thought about, another scenario, 421 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: and I just wanted to throw it out there. 422 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 3: Came to Minnesota, Craig, because you obviously had too much 423 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 3: time to think. 424 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 1: Wow, you could have brought me to Minnesota. 425 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 3: I could have. No, I couldn't have. I don't know 426 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 3: that kind of pull. 427 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: Wait a second, As we'd established on the pregame show, 428 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 1: I am powerful, Darren. 429 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,360 Speaker 3: Irvan, Yeah, context matters. 430 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: Not really. 431 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 3: I don't even remember what I said that about either. 432 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure it was brilliant. All right, let's continue 433 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: forget the quarterback position here, as far as players that 434 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,919 Speaker 1: you think perhaps whether it was in the joint practices. 435 00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: And I don't even know if one game can matter 436 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: much as far as someone playing their way on or 437 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: off the roster, unless you're Isaiah Simmons. But what we 438 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: saw Saturday in Minnesota as far as Jesse Luketta playing 439 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: fullback at dresher special teams and then Zach McCleod, who 440 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: did his best Onontious Dora impersonation with three sacks. I 441 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: don't believe he's going to make. 442 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 3: The roster, but he might have made the practice squad. 443 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: Yes, and all of a sudden, Hey, you know what, 444 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: that might be someone that we know will be able 445 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: to go through waivers unclaimed. You just was signed what 446 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: was it Tuesday before the team left or arrived with 447 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 1: Minnesota when the team arrived. But Jesse Luketta did he 448 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 1: do enough? Was he showcased based off Hey, maybe this 449 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: is a wrinkle or was it because you had no 450 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 1: Zach ertz Ha, no Trey McBride, and you had no 451 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 1: Jess Wayne that the Luketta fullback role was going to 452 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 1: be a tight end during the regular season. 453 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 3: Possible, But I do think Jesse Luketta has done enough 454 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 3: all the way around to earn a spot on this team. 455 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 3: I truly believe he'll be part of the fifty three. 456 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 3: I think Lecky Foe, too, the defensive lineman, has done 457 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 3: enough and he didn't play and he's healthy, and I 458 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 3: think that's because he's shown enough. I think he's made 459 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:18,640 Speaker 3: this team. Trying to think of other bubble people, that 460 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 3: part of the problem is, like I think we're going 461 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 3: to see Lecky Fotwo this season. I think we're going 462 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 3: to see Jesse Luketta this season. Like some of the 463 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 3: other guys that might have snuck out of the roster, 464 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 3: are those possibly could end up being Whether it's Noah 465 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 3: Tongii or Blake Whiteheart. I think one of those two 466 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 3: guys probably makes the roster. But how much do you say, 467 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 3: are they going to stay there when you start making 468 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,919 Speaker 3: waiver claims. I don't know about that. 469 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: Or even if they are active on game day, they 470 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,679 Speaker 1: just could be healthy scratches, right. 471 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 3: But if we're talking about the roster right now, I'm 472 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:55,959 Speaker 3: not even going to talk about who's active on game day. 473 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 3: I'm just talking about being on the fifty three by 474 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 3: the time they go to Washington, because again, making this 475 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 3: initial fifty three on Tuesday might not stay there when 476 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 3: they start making waiver. 477 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: Claims running back James Connor Keyonte Ingram, and then who 478 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,360 Speaker 1: or is that a position to war? 479 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 3: I think that's still I think that could be a 480 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 3: waiver claim. I think Corey Klement has done everything he 481 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 3: could possibly do. I think he's showing up in pass protection. 482 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 3: I thought he ran the ball pretty well in the preseason. 483 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 3: Definitely on Saturday. Now, I know it's against deeper backups, 484 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 3: but but I think that's a waiver claim potential. I'm 485 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 3: trying to think a cornerback is absolutely waiverclaim possibility. And 486 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 3: then the other question is do you have any any 487 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 3: veterans on this team or players that you might want 488 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 3: to still trade? Could they trade somebody besides Simmons and 489 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:49,400 Speaker 3: Josh Jones. 490 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:51,919 Speaker 1: Oh. I don't think there's any question, especially if you 491 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: leak word, I e. What the Raiders did with Rodney Hudson, 492 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: where hey, we're going to release this player, and then 493 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: all of a sudden it's not quite on the wire, 494 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: but you make it known that this player is available, 495 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden that drums up interest to 496 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: where you get something, even if it is six or seventh. 497 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 3: Thrownd pick anything you're getting this weekend and trade is 498 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 3: going to be six or seven. 499 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: But you're getting something as opposed to just letting them 500 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,360 Speaker 1: walk out the door, which man. 501 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 3: I don't want to be collecting too many seventh throwne 502 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 3: picks something. It's not about that. 503 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: I thought about that on Thursday as far as got 504 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: to Now, wait a second, we're getting way too because 505 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: that's a selfish reason for the media because Saturday, Day 506 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 1: three of the draft is already long enough to where actually, 507 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: you know what, this front office it doesn't matter because 508 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: they speak when the round was over with, when the 509 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: draft was complete, years prior we were getting mid round updates, 510 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: or as far as availability, that's maybe that doesn't matter anymore. 511 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: Maybe not by the way the injuries John Gains Dennis. 512 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 3: Day, Yeah, not good. 513 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: It didn't make no no, But I mean when you're 514 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: when you need a help to get off the field, 515 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: and that's you know, even if it is a two 516 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: or a three week injury. Now all of a sudden 517 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 1: is okay, well you put them on IR now they're 518 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: done for the season, put them on the fifty three 519 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: and then put them on IR. Then now it's just 520 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: four games. 521 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 3: Correct, But that also means you have to cut two 522 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 3: more people and hope they clear waivers and then hope 523 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,199 Speaker 3: to bring them back. Now that's another that's actually that 524 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,400 Speaker 3: could end up helping them in the waiver thing. If 525 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 3: you think you're there gonna have to go on IR 526 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 3: and you know you're gonna be claiming waiver guys, then 527 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 3: that actually makes it easier for you because then if 528 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 3: you then two of the guys that you claim off waivers, 529 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 3: you're not actually cutting anybody, You're just putting guys on IR. 530 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: With Gaines, who was basically what was it the second 531 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: second offensive snap of the game, gets hurt and then. 532 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 3: Of them got rolled up on. I think Gaines got 533 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 3: friendly fired by Keantry Ingram's head helmet, and then somebody 534 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 3: else got to Daily. Maybe it wasn't friendly filer for Daily, 535 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 3: but they were both rolled up on, and both those 536 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 3: guys I think not only we're gonna make the team, 537 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 3: but I think both those guys were expected to be 538 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 3: active on game days. 539 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,679 Speaker 1: Gaines is your backup center, and Daily can play along 540 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 1: the entire offensive line, so that versatility helps. But if 541 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 1: you don't have a John Gaines, does pat elfline make 542 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,880 Speaker 1: the team. He's been hurt, but he's been your third center. 543 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 1: Lucida Smith saw some center action on Saturday. 544 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:35,919 Speaker 3: Or is that a lot or is that a position 545 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 3: you're getting in a waiver? 546 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: Marquise Hayes is his spot on this. 547 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,439 Speaker 3: It's a good question because I played a lot of 548 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,239 Speaker 3: football and some good and some not good. But like, 549 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 3: I can see why you'd be interested in keeping that guy, 550 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,880 Speaker 3: and I don't know if you cut him if he's 551 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 3: gonna be slipping through waivers. 552 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 1: Typically, it's how many offensive lineman does a team not 553 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: for game day? Nine ten offensive lineman and game day no, no, no, no, 554 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: on your on your fifty. 555 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 3: Three, Yeah, I would say nine or ten, nine or. 556 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: Ten, and then it's seven or eight. 557 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:17,640 Speaker 3: But active if yeah, you will, Yes, it's nine or ten. 558 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,400 Speaker 3: You have eight now to be active, to be able 559 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,640 Speaker 3: to use your both those extra practice squad call ups. 560 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 3: If you have eight offensive linemen, you can have forty 561 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 3: eight guys available on game day. Plus now, if you 562 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 3: have a third quarterback, you could make him inactive too. 563 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: Defensive line, I think that's another position where this team 564 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 1: might look to add outside of your first three, which 565 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: I think right now is Lucky Fote to Jonathan Ledbetter 566 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: and LJ. Collier. 567 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 3: Yes, And I would also say that those guys all had, 568 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 3: especially Collier and FO two, really impressed me in training camp. Now, 569 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 3: with Collier, you always knew he had talent, The question 570 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 3: was was and he's going to consistently perform. 571 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: And that'd be one of those things where a change 572 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: of scenery does benefit the player, you would hope, yes, 573 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 1: And I think that's what the Cardinals are are hoping. 574 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: And then it's up to the player to go and 575 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: show what they're capable of doing, and I think Callier 576 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: has done that. Plus again he's great for us in 577 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: the media. And again going back to being selfish, we 578 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 1: need guys in that locker room that sure that can 579 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,959 Speaker 1: play well, but also make things fun and entertaining for us. 580 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 3: I gotta be honest. I was gone that whole week 581 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 3: and I was hoping you were going to personally grow 582 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 3: a little bit cragging. No, you're still very selfish. 583 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: I have learned from the best. If you have taught 584 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: me nothing at all, Darren Urban, it is to be 585 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: just a little bit, so a little bit, just a 586 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: little bit just for ondoing. So how busy do you 587 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: think your life is going to be? Over the next 588 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 1: because Thursday was what maybe the one of the busier 589 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: days you've ever had as far as a practice plus 590 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: three train that maybe. 591 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 3: It came out just two of the three. 592 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: You were quite two of the three. Maybe you didn't 593 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: quite anticipate it. 594 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it was that was quite the day. 595 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 3: It was definitely it went by fast. When you got 596 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 3: that much stuff going on, the day goes by fast. 597 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 3: I don't I think this team is going to be 598 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 3: very busy. I think Tuesday is going to be interesting 599 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 3: as we see some of the names leak out. I'm 600 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 3: curious to see what names leak out. I still think 601 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 3: there could be a surprise or too that that are 602 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 3: isn't on this team, whether they trade them away or 603 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 3: they just release them. Not sure who that would be yet, 604 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 3: but possible. And again, the waiver claims are going to 605 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 3: be fascinating. And like we said that what ends up 606 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 3: happening with daily and Gains are going to be a 607 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 3: huge thing. I mean, I don't think I'm certainly you're 608 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 3: probably certainly hoping that it's not so serious that you're 609 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 3: going to lose them for a month or more. But 610 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 3: it's possible. Knee with gains and an ankle with with 611 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 3: daily and but again, if that's what happens, then you 612 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 3: get a little bit more leeway in terms of your 613 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 3: waiver claims and keeping them, knowing that you're gonna end 614 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 3: up having to make move guys off the roster anyways. 615 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: And bottom line is for those that do survive Tuesday 616 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: and are practicing this week, I would never get comfortable 617 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: until maybe next week, going into week one. 618 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 3: I think it's fair to say, as Zach Pascal said 619 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 3: the other day, you're you're always going to be uncomfortable. 620 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 3: He said that Wednesday after practice, this whole year is 621 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 3: going to be uncomfortable. 622 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: I believe the word was uncomfortability possible, which I think 623 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: he made. 624 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 3: Up a word. No, I think I think it is 625 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 3: a word. Okay, But I think it's fair to say 626 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 3: that Jonathan Gannon has made a lot of things uncomfortable. 627 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 1: That would be fair across the board. Good stuff, Thank you. 628 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: Did you have time to unpack from Minnesota? And you're 629 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: all good for the regular season. You're ready? Yes, Labor 630 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: Day weekend can't get here quick enough for you. 631 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 3: I mean again, we only get. 632 00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: That, by the way, that's the benefit of this losing 633 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: a fourth preseason game is that Labor Day weekend is 634 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: actually a weekend that you don't have to stress about 635 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: waiting for a press release or some booth being You've 636 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: knocked on wood that there would. 637 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 3: Be four day weekend and I got one day out 638 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 3: of it. Now I get three days out of it. 639 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 3: But this team will still practice on Labor Day, so 640 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 3: it'll still be a workdow on Monday. But yeah, it'll 641 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 3: be nice to have the cuts on Tuesday, the waiver 642 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 3: claims on Wednesday, so that by the time you get 643 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 3: to Friday, you can actually relax a little bit kind of. 644 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: But you never really do relax. 645 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 3: I probably don't know, No, no, you do not. 646 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: We appreciate you laboring here with us on this Monday, 647 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: and on that note, we will put a lid on 648 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: this edition of Cardinals Cover two presented by Honday Probly, 649 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: partner of the Arizona Cardinals. 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