1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 1: Hello, I'm Scott Williams and this is the Bloomberg Business 2 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: of Sports podcast where just the two of us Evan 3 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: discussed the world of money in sports. Where's Bar? We 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: continue to be a runner list ship? Yeah, where is Bar? 5 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: Do we know? Does anybody know where he's on vacation? 6 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: But the last vacation he went back home to Detroit. 7 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: I hope he's somewherepical to you can have to Detroit trips. 8 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: He might be back in Detroit. Oh, the Tigers have 9 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: a homestand right, Yeah, I want to go see the 10 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: Tigers in the Royals anyway. Without Bar. We begin with 11 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: Mark Cuban in the wake of the Kevin Durant injury 12 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: and everybody's talking about k D. He wants the league 13 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: and Players Association to invest in research into diagnostic tools 14 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: that will help you sort of understand whether an athlete 15 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: is prone to this sort of thing or whether it's 16 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:49,599 Speaker 1: the right time for an athlete to come back from 17 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: an injury. I ask you, Mr Novie Williams. We know 18 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: that Mark Cuban has said the only person he pays 19 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: more than or has longer contracts than his players are 20 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: his doct Jersey's into health analytics. If you can keep 21 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: your players healthy, you have a distinct advantage. Will the 22 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: league in the Union buy in? I I mean I 23 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: think they're I'm sure they're looking at it. There's no 24 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: question that in the past couple of years we've seen, 25 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 1: you know, there's so much new tech coming on in 26 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: sports in terms of sleep nutrition, that athlete health is 27 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: becoming kind of this next frontier for teams. And it 28 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: makes sense, right, I mean, how much money do these 29 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: two They are hundreds of millions of dollars they have 30 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: invested in these stars. And and to quote Mark Cuban 31 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: on Twitter, the reality of sports medicine is that it's 32 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: still as much an art as a science. However, technology 33 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: is turning the corner and we can accelerate the advances 34 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: through investment. Teams are investing anecdotally where we can, but 35 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 1: now it's time to invest as a league, even if 36 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 1: the results maybe ten or twenty years away. I can't, 37 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: I mean, you would know better than me. Can you 38 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: think of another area where the NBA and kind of 39 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: all the teams maybe pool their own resources together to 40 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: invest in something that they may all kind of work 41 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: together on. No, not for anything that is in dollars 42 00:01:57,640 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: and since related, we sort of have you know, the 43 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: thirty two equity at the NFL, whether everybody tossed a 44 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: million dollars in and they buy some companies and you know, 45 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: sharing that but something like this, No, And I'd be surprised, 46 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: and only that teams don't really trust each other, and 47 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 1: teams don't really trust the league office either, So I 48 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: just be surprised. I don't I don't know. I figure, 49 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 1: if you're marking, you think this is something that gives 50 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: you a distinct advantage and certainly has the resources to 51 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: put behind it. I'd keep this in house. I would 52 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: try to do it by myself and partner with whoever 53 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 1: you think you need to, and really just keep that information. Yeah. 54 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: Then I think at his point, I think is that 55 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: the investing power of teams is obviously much bigger than 56 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: the investing power of one. Another thing that I find 57 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: really interesting about this, I know I harp on this 58 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: like almost every episode. Um, but let's say that you know, 59 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: harp away, I'm gonna harp away. Let's say that you know, 60 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:59,839 Speaker 1: by virtue of some academic, some medical breakthrough, we now 61 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: have a better way of understanding tendons that are about 62 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: to pop or are more you know, more susceptible to. 63 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: If cutting you know, something's gonna happen. Um. This feels 64 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 1: like a perfect example of the kind of thing where 65 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: getting a lot of data on your player might be 66 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: harmful to the player, depending on who owns it and 67 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: how you're allowed to. He won't want to pay you 68 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: if you're more apt to or susceptible. Let's let's say 69 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: the Warriors scanned his leg and said, wow, this is 70 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 1: this is a taking time bond. You know, whether you 71 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: play in this game or you rehab it and maybe 72 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 1: next year there's something here that's going to go poorly. 73 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: That is a piece of information that obviously the Warriors 74 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: want to have, and Kevin wants to have it too 75 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: because it helps him protect himself and get ready himself. However, 76 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: come negotiation time, what if you could do it there's 77 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: there's a weird there's weirdness. What if you could do 78 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: it as a you know, double blind patient five to 79 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: nine six and everybody can go in the database and 80 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: look up themselves. Yeah, I don't know that is some 81 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: doctor that is only able to access it and tell 82 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: this is you just tell the team he's not ready yet, 83 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: but tells Kevin, this is why you're not ready, and 84 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: they don't. Yeah, there there is going to be as 85 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: we you know, as as Mark Cuban if he gets 86 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: his wish. This is a perfect example of the kind 87 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: of thing where teams are going to know so much 88 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 1: about players that it's going to blend into this, you know, 89 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: blend into contracts. It's gonna it's gonna become the ownership 90 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: of that information. Who gets to see it, how it 91 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:24,799 Speaker 1: gets to use. Isn't that one of the bigger bigger 92 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 1: I want it real time on one. So if I'm 93 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: playing NBA two K today and KD is not playing 94 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: in a game, he can't play in your game, even 95 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: that's I want real time analytics. Though everybody knows, I mean, 96 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: we're not sure take to interactive it's going to jump on. 97 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 1: I would say, you know, if you remember years ago, 98 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: and you may not, but the Warriors almost traded Steph 99 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: Curry years ago because they thought he would have um 100 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 1: lingering ankle issues and they almost get rid of him. 101 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 1: And I believe it was Jerry West as consultant who said, 102 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 1: if you trade this guy, I'm out of here. So 103 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: Dr West more more val you from the logo than 104 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: than just that's interesting and we can I mean, let's 105 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: let's broaden the conversation here about Durant's injury, because, as 106 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: you wrote earlier this week, there are some I mean 107 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 1: huge implications, big decisions that happened the moment that that 108 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: he went down on Monday. Yeah, if you're the Knicks, 109 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 1: your plan A was Kevin Durant free agent number two 110 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: and draft pick or whatever. Do you now commit a 111 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 1: four year, one d and sixty million dollar contract to 112 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,919 Speaker 1: a guy who will not play next year or likely 113 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: won't play next year. I think we disagree on that 114 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: question because I think you're yeah. I think yes. I 115 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: think the Knicks are still as interested in terms like 116 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: max contract, interested in Kevin Durant as they were a 117 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 1: week ago, and you it sounds like I'm a no, 118 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think you can do it. I 119 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 1: think the play for Durant here is not to opt out, 120 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: go back to Golden State, stay with the existing contract 121 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: for the final year pays him thirty one million dollars 122 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: to have the surgery if required, we still don't know 123 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: at that time right now, but to have the surgery, 124 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: probably rehab, and then be ready all better to hit 125 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: the free agent market. I think I agree with that. 126 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 1: You know, thirty one million dollars is his own player option. 127 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: You can do that and then be a free agent 128 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: an when he's a year after roughly a year after surgery. Um, 129 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: there's probably some risk in there too, and that let's 130 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: say he takes that thirty one million, has the surgery, 131 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: He's obviously going to go in physicals in front of 132 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: all these teams before they sign him. If the recovery 133 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: isn't going as well, if something happens during the surgery, 134 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: he runs that risk. He's thirty thirty years old, I 135 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 1: believe now, so coming back onto the court at at 136 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: thirty one ish, medical opinion is he should be able 137 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 1: to have the surgery, do the rehab, and and be 138 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 1: close to what he was, if not all the way. Yeah. 139 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: Credit to five thirty eight. They put together a list 140 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: of the big name players who have had this surgery 141 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 1: in the middle of their careers. Um, DeMarcus Cousins, Rudy Gay, Kobe, 142 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 1: Elton Brand the big one. I think the ideal for 143 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: Kevin Durant, Dominic Wilkins, who did this at thirty two 144 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: and was a better player statistically afterwards that then hebe 145 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: was a little older. So like for those who like 146 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: that's in recent memory, Kobe was thirty five is thirty six, 147 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: So that's a little bit different because as we know, 148 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: as you and know now at what age are you? 149 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: So you not now thirty six is over the hill 150 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: because you're you're feeling all the effect. It certainly feels 151 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: that way. One other interesting aspect on this that I 152 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: was reading. Remember when the Knicks signed Amari Stadmeyer to 153 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: that big deal, a hundred million dollar deal in the 154 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: first preseason. Yeah, and there was a lot of a 155 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: lot he was already injured, I think, and a lot 156 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: of teams were not interested in him because ensuring his 157 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: knee was difficult. I do wonder, obviously, whoever signs Kevin 158 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: Durant to this next deal, whether it's hundred sixty million, 159 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: four years for someone else, or it's five year, two 160 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: d and twenty with the Warriors, either way, they're gonna 161 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: want to get insurance on this thing. Imagine. I imagine 162 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: it's going to be a bit harder to ensure Kevin 163 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: Durant's contract when he's coming off of an achilles tendon injury. 164 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: You're saying that and be a little bit high. I 165 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: think might be a little a little higher, and I 166 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: would be very interested too. Maybe we can make some calls, 167 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: but would be very interested to think about. You know 168 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: how how much harder it is to ensure Kevin Durant's 169 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: next max contract now that it would have been before 170 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: the injury. All right, let's move on to the US 171 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: women's soccer team Medina. Let's hit it. The USA fans 172 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: are celebrating this one. You don't see thirteen nothing results 173 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: at a World Cup, but you saw it tonight. Produce 174 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: some Medina Parwana. Did you watch the game? Uh? No, 175 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: I didn't. You didn't so you didn't get to see 176 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 1: the shellacking, drubbing. Give me another word, what is it? 177 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: It's a shellacking, a drubbing, pasting, pasting, tasting blowout. Thirteen 178 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: remembers soccer where they say nobody's scores. It's two boring, 179 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: nobody scores Medina thirteen nothing. Well, what I did see 180 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: was all the social media backlash for the U S 181 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: team scoring goals, and they were saying there wasn't a 182 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: lot of sportsmanship and all this stuff and the you know, 183 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: the Thailand team, the girls are on the sidelines were 184 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: like crying, So I don't know. There was a lot 185 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 1: of stuff going on. And somebody who I think understood 186 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: Carly Lloyd after the final whistle. Now she's a veteran 187 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: who's now coming off the bench. The first thing she 188 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: did at the final whistle was to go to the 189 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: taie goalie and and she said a few words. And 190 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: Carly said afterwards, I don't know if she understood me, 191 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: but she still, you know, gave her, gave her a 192 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: few words. I think that's sort of a universal hey, 193 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 1: you know, keep your head up kind of kind of thing. Evan, 194 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 1: you and I I think we agree on this one. Um, 195 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:47,079 Speaker 1: I want to hear your opinion first. And by the way, 196 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: summer making this a gender issue when you talk about 197 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 1: shouldn't have scored thirteen goals? Like, um, would you have 198 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: said that if it was a men's team? And I mean, 199 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: as you know, my kid plays youth hockey. He's on 200 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 1: a really good team. If we're up by seven eight goals, 201 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: the coach tells them no more shots passed, passed the 202 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: puck around. If you have to shoot, shoot it at 203 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: the goalie's chest, shoot it wide to the net. Nobody's 204 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: looking at run. I know this is youth sports versus 205 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: the World Cup, and these are big, big boys and 206 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: girls and it's time to you know, you play, and 207 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: my job is not to take care of your team. 208 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 1: But yes, I'd be saying this if this was the 209 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: men's team, and I'm saying it for the women's team. 210 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:28,959 Speaker 1: And I understand that these are players and I'm in 211 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: their first World Cup and they're excited and they want 212 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: to score. I get all of that, but thirteen still, 213 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:35,719 Speaker 1: to me seems like a little push in the face. 214 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: In the book, it's funny, actually think we did we 215 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: we disagree a little bit here. I am the score. 216 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: I'm totally fine with the score. Thirteen nothing, eighteen twenty 217 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: one nothing. This is the World Cup. The goals actually 218 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: technically matter. If the US had stopped at six and 219 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: and and Sweden had ended up beating Thailand nine nothing, 220 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: and suddenly the US doesn't win the group because they 221 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,839 Speaker 1: eased off the gas when another team didn't, I'm okay 222 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: with this core. I think the thing that more people 223 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 1: love issue with and and and this is the one 224 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: that I'm I'm a little more on the fence about 225 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: the fact that they were celebrating. I mean, Megan Roppino's 226 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: goal was the ninth or tenth one. She did the windmill, 227 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: everybody followed her, she went down, kicked her legs in 228 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 1: the in the air, everybody, everybody left the bench in 229 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: like one big jumping hug pile. Um. That seemed like 230 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 1: a little bit too much, right, Like, I'm totally fine 231 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: with we're running the score up because this is the 232 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: World Cup and goals matter, and we may need all 233 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: thirteen of these, but when you're up eleven nothing, score 234 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: the goal and walked together side. I understand people who 235 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: were a little peeved by that. And actually, I mean 236 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 1: I talked to both my my dad and my sister 237 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: last night, who both of whom I think are the 238 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: exact kind of audience that the Women's World Cup wants. 239 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: That they're never gonna seek out soccer games ever, really, right, 240 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: but my sisters in Germany, she texted me, how do 241 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 1: I watch these games? My dad called me last night. 242 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 1: Both of them were a little a little put out 243 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: by the fact that, you know, the the U S 244 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 1: team hung hung thirteen goals on on Thailand. So I 245 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: do wonder if the casual fan actually does care, if 246 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: the casual fan is like, listen, let me, this doesn't 247 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: look great. No, no, Evan, what I'm was just about 248 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: to say was, but when that adrenaline is pumping, you're 249 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: just going with it. I mean, can you stop yourself 250 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: and be like, wait, I should think twice and not 251 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: celebrate as man. I'd like to think that you counsel. 252 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: We council our kids. We counsel kids, and these are 253 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 1: nine year olds, like you don't rub it in, you 254 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: don't celebrate it for up by a lot of goals. 255 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: So if they can do it, I'm hoping that these 256 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: adult World Cup team players can do it. We have 257 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: rules I know in you sports where the score, like 258 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: even if the goals against differential does matter, there's a 259 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 1: cap so you don't run it up. Because I do 260 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:46,959 Speaker 1: watch the Premier League and a lot of that is 261 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: based on how many goals you scored throughout the course 262 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: of the season. So in that case, if let's say Liverpool, 263 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: who I'm a big fan of, ended up scoring thirteen 264 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: goals in one game, that means they could essentially win 265 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: the whole title of the of the Premier League. See 266 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: what I did. Thank you, thank you, all right, now 267 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:10,719 Speaker 1: I'm with you. But yeah, again, I think that it's 268 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: fine for them to score how many goals. They're gonna 269 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 1: play Chile next, and from what I've read, Chile is 270 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: not particularly good. It could be another big blowout. And 271 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,679 Speaker 1: then obviously Sweden is gonna play Thailand and Sweden now 272 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: needs a lot of goals to to try to win 273 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: the group. I can't wait to see get more Twitter 274 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: hit as well. Um, but yeah, we'll see how it goes. 275 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: You said, MESSI m E S s y. I'm going 276 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: to segue to messy and as as I topping Forbes 277 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: list highest paid athlete this year, hundred and twenty seven 278 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: million dollars. When we say play soccer one, two and three, Messi, 279 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: Ronaldo Neymar one, two and three. Yeah, the only three 280 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: athletes that made Canelo Alvarez. And and and we've seen this 281 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 1: before with Lloyd Mayweather, like kind of you have a 282 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: big fight that year, and he's got his big contract 283 00:13:56,040 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: with his own Federer just under him at number five. 284 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: First US team sport athlete Russell Wilson number six, Aaron 285 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: Rodgers number seven, Mr Lebron James number eight, I know, 286 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: I I know you looked at the top ten. I'm 287 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: not sure how deep you went, So I'll give you 288 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: some trivia here. Boy, I only went to like after 289 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: that Curran during So there's a top one. How far 290 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: down do you think you yet before you hit the 291 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: first hockey player? Uh? Sixties, No hockey player on the list, 292 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: which I was kind of amazed by. Yeah, who do 293 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: you think is the oldest non golfer on the top two? 294 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: The oldest two players are Tiger Woods and Phil Nicholson. 295 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: Who do you think is is the oldest non golfer 296 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: on the list? Just golf. We don't have enough time 297 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: on this, but tell me Tom Brady at seven million dollars. 298 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: There's are some other interesting ones here in terms of 299 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: just endorsements, if you filter for that, Roger Federer is 300 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: killing everybody. Roger's got quite an eighty six million dollars 301 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: in endorsements. And what I love about Roger four, what 302 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: I love about the Roger brand and the association with 303 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: Roger is He's built a portfolio that is that is 304 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: designed to last post career. It's it's that lasting brand 305 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: of excellence without question. Yeah, and that's not something that 306 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: ends when you stop playing. It's still it's still gonna 307 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: mean something to be affiliated with Roger Federer when he's 308 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: done playing. It's funny when you said that. Another the 309 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: other next athlete that pumped jumped in my mind about 310 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: that was Serena Williams. Is it is it a coincidence 311 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: that they're both tennis players or is there something about 312 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: tennis that kind of lets you cultivate a brand like 313 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: that that that even when you're done playing may payoff 314 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: for you. Well, I think it helps that it's just 315 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: one it's just an individual sport. Yeah, that it's easier 316 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: to do that than then the team sports. So Tennessee 317 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: kind of lends itself there yard for the world to see. Um, 318 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: you're all by yourself. Serena is on the list, by 319 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: the way, she's the only woman and she's number sixty three, 320 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: coming in at the twenty nine point two million dollars 321 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: Nestled between U N s sspeis the Mets outfielder and 322 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: Miguel Cabrero Detroit Tigers infielder designated. That would have been 323 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: our segue to bar right there. Oh, those are those 324 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: are one decisions. You wonder if teams are like, wait, 325 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: what what? What were we thinking? When we agree those 326 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: looking at them Basketball NBA certainly seems like the uh, 327 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: the big one here. I believe thirty five of the 328 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: something in the in the thirty forty range of them 329 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: are are NBA players. Football also very high here. Um, 330 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: if you look at the endorsement numbers, though, it's very 331 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: clear that basketball players have a better, better avenue to 332 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: endorsements than than football players. I do have a question, though, 333 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: doesn't the NBA put a cap on how much they 334 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: could actually pay their players? So with that being said, 335 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: I feel like most NBA players, unless they have incredible, 336 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: crazy endorsements, will never reach a certain status on any 337 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: kind of list based on that. No, I mean, Lebron 338 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: could probably get X amount, but it will never be 339 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: It's a very high number though, when you're comparing about 340 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: just this list just salaries, it's it's a very high. 341 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: It's gonna make more than hockey players because they generate. 342 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: So yeah, the Max deal is pretty big. But you're right, 343 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at the the numbers in 344 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: terms of on on field earnings, right, Russell Wilson and 345 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, just by virtue of the deals they signed 346 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: and the signing bonuses. They're both in eighty million dollars 347 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 1: in salary and winnings next year. They'll go down next year. 348 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: But you're right, Lebron James is never gonna hit eighty 349 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:18,199 Speaker 1: million dollars on on quarterings. Neither will Steff Curry. Now 350 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: that will Kevin Durant, an NBA player, will never get 351 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: to that point. So so you're right, the the top 352 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 1: line of your on court earnings, you're not gonna see 353 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: basketball players get up there. Um, But the salaries that 354 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: they do get paid, you know, Lebron's at thirty six million, 355 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: Steph thirty seven, Kevin Durant in the low thirties. As 356 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 1: we talked about, Um, all those things are pretty darn 357 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: good for for most team sports. Yes it is. Well, 358 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: this is the Bloomberg Business of Sports podcast. I'm Scott Sasnick, 359 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 1: along with Evan Nobi Williams. Michael Barr has been missed, 360 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: he has. We are here each and every Monday, Wednesdays 361 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: and Thursdays exploring the world of money in sports. Join 362 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: us again at the end of the week when we 363 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: speak with NBC horse racing analysts Randy Moss. I'm interested 364 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 1: in this one, all the death at Santa Anita, I 365 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: want to I want to discuss the economics behind it. 366 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: Triple Crown just ended as well. We'll have we'll have 367 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: a lot to talk about with Reddy. You're listening to 368 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 1: The Bloomberg Business of Sports on Bloomberg Radio around the world, online, 369 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcast.