1 00:00:30,319 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: Pats from the Past. Tune in is Matt Smith and 2 00:00:32,559 --> 00:00:35,119 Speaker 1: Paul Perillo offer in depth interviews with some of the 3 00:00:35,119 --> 00:00:37,759 Speaker 1: greatest players and coaches in New England Patriots history. 4 00:00:37,799 --> 00:00:39,639 Speaker 2: Joined by the new member of the Patriots Hall Fame, 5 00:00:39,679 --> 00:00:40,359 Speaker 2: Mike Raybold. 6 00:00:40,399 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: Find out what led to some of the greatest moments 7 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: in franchise history and unique behind the scenes insight. 8 00:00:45,239 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 2: And please to be joined by former Patriot quarterback Brian Hoyer. 9 00:00:48,278 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 2: Joined by number thirty seven on your scorecard, but number 10 00:00:50,918 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 2: one in our hearts at least, Rodney Harrison. 11 00:00:53,399 --> 00:00:55,679 Speaker 3: Good to be home, Good to see you, guys. 12 00:00:55,759 --> 00:00:58,479 Speaker 1: Search for Pats in the Past anywhere you get your podcast. 13 00:01:00,239 --> 00:01:05,279 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, nice to be congratulations that now is it? Gucci? 14 00:01:05,519 --> 00:01:05,799 Speaker 3: Okay? 15 00:01:06,199 --> 00:01:08,079 Speaker 4: And so we were watching because Fred and I stayed 16 00:01:08,079 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 4: here in the studio, Mike and Evan went to the 17 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,199 Speaker 4: press commence. We were trying to figure out, as Fred says, 18 00:01:13,239 --> 00:01:14,078 Speaker 4: what were you were wearing? 19 00:01:14,239 --> 00:01:18,439 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I was like, it can't be coach now, 20 00:01:18,479 --> 00:01:19,599 Speaker 5: he wouldn't do coach. 21 00:01:21,079 --> 00:01:21,479 Speaker 3: The taste. 22 00:01:23,839 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 5: Well, welcome, this is Duce, Mike, I'm Fred, Paul and Evan. 23 00:01:29,639 --> 00:01:30,639 Speaker 5: Welcome to New England. 24 00:01:30,639 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 3: Welcome, Yeah, thank you for having me. This is great. 25 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 5: We were excited just watching the podium and you were 26 00:01:35,719 --> 00:01:41,279 Speaker 5: talking about lining up with Gonzo, and you know, we're 27 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 5: excited about that too, because you know, being able, like 28 00:01:44,639 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 5: coach Rabel said, cats, you know, just. 29 00:01:46,919 --> 00:01:47,759 Speaker 3: Take cat coverage. 30 00:01:48,999 --> 00:01:51,399 Speaker 5: Let's let's go one on one, let the other guys 31 00:01:51,439 --> 00:01:54,639 Speaker 5: get at the quarterback and play that complimentary type of football. 32 00:01:54,959 --> 00:01:56,719 Speaker 3: Is that something that excites you as well? 33 00:01:56,759 --> 00:01:59,159 Speaker 6: Of course it excites me, especially like being able to 34 00:01:59,199 --> 00:02:02,439 Speaker 6: go and play with Gonzo, a guy who I know 35 00:02:02,759 --> 00:02:04,559 Speaker 6: can hold his own and. 36 00:02:05,119 --> 00:02:07,159 Speaker 3: Has shown it in previous years. 37 00:02:07,279 --> 00:02:09,679 Speaker 6: And you know, when you can play that type of football, 38 00:02:09,839 --> 00:02:13,239 Speaker 6: especially for defense, like like you said, it allows somebody 39 00:02:13,239 --> 00:02:15,959 Speaker 6: to rest the pass a little bit more efficiently. And 40 00:02:16,038 --> 00:02:19,679 Speaker 6: then you know, it also puts pressure on a quarterback 41 00:02:19,719 --> 00:02:22,239 Speaker 6: because you're playing tight coverage and now he's not just 42 00:02:22,319 --> 00:02:24,159 Speaker 6: picking you off in his own And when you need 43 00:02:24,199 --> 00:02:25,119 Speaker 6: to play man and man, you. 44 00:02:25,119 --> 00:02:26,279 Speaker 3: Can play it. You could. 45 00:02:26,599 --> 00:02:28,239 Speaker 6: I've been on teams where we played man and man 46 00:02:28,319 --> 00:02:31,279 Speaker 6: like eighty percent of the snaps, you know, and that's 47 00:02:31,319 --> 00:02:33,959 Speaker 6: the more efficient way to get the offense off the 48 00:02:33,959 --> 00:02:36,239 Speaker 6: field and get three and outs quickly. And now you're 49 00:02:36,279 --> 00:02:38,479 Speaker 6: putting your offense back on the field and he's getting 50 00:02:38,479 --> 00:02:40,559 Speaker 6: more chances and you're just giving them more chances of 51 00:02:40,599 --> 00:02:41,239 Speaker 6: getting the in zone. 52 00:02:41,279 --> 00:02:43,078 Speaker 5: But you've got to be able to do man, got 53 00:02:43,079 --> 00:02:44,758 Speaker 5: to be able to do it. There's a downside if 54 00:02:44,758 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 5: you're if you're losing those battles and. 55 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:50,159 Speaker 6: Yeah, right, yeah, it can be bad. Yeah, but it 56 00:02:50,199 --> 00:02:51,959 Speaker 6: takes a certain type of guy to want to do 57 00:02:51,999 --> 00:02:54,879 Speaker 6: it and to continue to do it because you may 58 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,999 Speaker 6: not be perfect, but you have to have that dougmentality 59 00:02:58,079 --> 00:02:59,839 Speaker 6: where I'm going to come back and I'm gonna win, 60 00:02:59,839 --> 00:03:01,279 Speaker 6: I'm gonna fight, and then you have to have a 61 00:03:01,279 --> 00:03:02,279 Speaker 6: good technique in it. 62 00:03:02,559 --> 00:03:04,679 Speaker 3: And uh, you know, that's something I've been doing my 63 00:03:04,719 --> 00:03:05,319 Speaker 3: whole career. 64 00:03:06,079 --> 00:03:08,638 Speaker 6: We've had a lot of success behind it, and at 65 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,479 Speaker 6: Detroit and at Tampa when we were able to do 66 00:03:11,559 --> 00:03:13,439 Speaker 6: it and allow of the guys to just rush the past. 67 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:15,439 Speaker 6: So I can't wait till really go out there and 68 00:03:15,479 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 6: just lock up it and really show everybody what we 69 00:03:18,279 --> 00:03:18,679 Speaker 6: can't do. 70 00:03:18,799 --> 00:03:20,839 Speaker 3: Yeah. How much pride do you take in the physicality 71 00:03:20,839 --> 00:03:21,999 Speaker 3: of your game? Because it seems like. 72 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,238 Speaker 5: You're a good, good complimented to Gonzo, but that's that's you. 73 00:03:25,399 --> 00:03:27,559 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, that is me. I do love to be physical. 74 00:03:27,599 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 6: I do love to uh you know, and still fearing 75 00:03:30,199 --> 00:03:31,599 Speaker 6: kind of be a bully out there. If I'm being 76 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:35,159 Speaker 6: quite honest, I like to have that intimidation factor knowing 77 00:03:35,199 --> 00:03:37,599 Speaker 6: that they watched the film from last week and they've 78 00:03:37,599 --> 00:03:40,519 Speaker 6: been watching the film and in their meetings their coaches 79 00:03:40,559 --> 00:03:43,199 Speaker 6: were talking about this guy is a bully, and this 80 00:03:43,239 --> 00:03:45,519 Speaker 6: guy's gonna press you, and this guy's gonna close space 81 00:03:45,559 --> 00:03:47,439 Speaker 6: on you, and you gotta and you can tell, like 82 00:03:47,559 --> 00:03:49,279 Speaker 6: you get out there, you can just look at a 83 00:03:49,319 --> 00:03:52,479 Speaker 6: receiver and up his coaches watching film. His coach told 84 00:03:52,559 --> 00:03:55,119 Speaker 6: him because he's a little nervous, he's a little you know, 85 00:03:55,359 --> 00:03:57,679 Speaker 6: just antsy about what's about to happen, and he knows 86 00:03:57,679 --> 00:03:59,599 Speaker 6: you're gonna press him and you're not gonna give him 87 00:03:59,639 --> 00:04:00,079 Speaker 6: too much space. 88 00:04:00,199 --> 00:04:04,399 Speaker 3: It sounds like Jamar Chase. Yeah, yeah, you know what 89 00:04:04,439 --> 00:04:04,759 Speaker 3: I mean. 90 00:04:04,919 --> 00:04:06,519 Speaker 6: You know, I don't think he knew, but I feel 91 00:04:06,559 --> 00:04:08,599 Speaker 6: like he found out and I think he's a great player. 92 00:04:09,159 --> 00:04:09,559 Speaker 3: Uh. 93 00:04:09,639 --> 00:04:09,839 Speaker 1: You know. 94 00:04:09,879 --> 00:04:13,039 Speaker 6: I don't really like to antiger our situations, but I 95 00:04:13,119 --> 00:04:15,879 Speaker 6: do love to, you know, give respect and give respect. 96 00:04:16,399 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 3: Yeah. 97 00:04:17,318 --> 00:04:20,879 Speaker 5: And does that competitiveness and physicality extend the practice too? 98 00:04:20,919 --> 00:04:22,599 Speaker 5: Do you like to get it on with your teammates 99 00:04:22,639 --> 00:04:24,559 Speaker 5: and challenge that offense. 100 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:25,958 Speaker 3: It starts in practice. 101 00:04:25,999 --> 00:04:28,439 Speaker 6: Yeah, Like honestly, that doesn't happen in a game if 102 00:04:28,438 --> 00:04:31,198 Speaker 6: it's not in practice. And you know, when I was younger, 103 00:04:31,519 --> 00:04:33,959 Speaker 6: I would I didn't appreciate practice as much and I 104 00:04:33,999 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 6: didn't like understand how important it was until you know, 105 00:04:37,199 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 6: I had, you know, times where I would be as 106 00:04:39,359 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 6: in practice and then try to cut it on in 107 00:04:41,599 --> 00:04:42,998 Speaker 6: the game and it does not work. 108 00:04:43,119 --> 00:04:43,959 Speaker 3: Like you can't do it. 109 00:04:44,239 --> 00:04:47,319 Speaker 6: Like even if you're telling yourself mentally I'm gonna do this, 110 00:04:47,359 --> 00:04:50,199 Speaker 6: you're getting the game and you just kind of freeze. 111 00:04:49,999 --> 00:04:53,238 Speaker 3: Up because the muscle is it's called muscle memory. Yeah, 112 00:04:53,438 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 3: it's muscle memory. That's it. Yeah. 113 00:04:55,879 --> 00:04:58,319 Speaker 2: Just you know, your length or your arm length and 114 00:04:58,359 --> 00:04:59,998 Speaker 2: all that stuff. I remember you coming out of the 115 00:05:00,078 --> 00:05:02,359 Speaker 2: draft and like it was that was all to talk 116 00:05:02,359 --> 00:05:05,199 Speaker 2: about you is I think you're in ninety fifth percentile 117 00:05:05,318 --> 00:05:07,959 Speaker 2: with your wingspan for a corner. Just how does that 118 00:05:08,039 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 2: help you, you know, in terms of pressing guys or 119 00:05:10,558 --> 00:05:11,799 Speaker 2: even getting in passing lens. 120 00:05:11,879 --> 00:05:13,879 Speaker 6: You know what, I use it to my eventage and 121 00:05:13,999 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 6: people say, well, you have long arms, but there's a 122 00:05:16,639 --> 00:05:18,679 Speaker 6: lot of guys who have long arms, but I think 123 00:05:18,719 --> 00:05:22,399 Speaker 6: the key to that is being deceptive in your reach. 124 00:05:22,678 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 6: So a lot of times with boxers or you know, 125 00:05:26,239 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 6: MMA fighters. I'm not sure if your guys are big 126 00:05:29,078 --> 00:05:31,038 Speaker 6: fans of that, but you know, it's all about the 127 00:05:31,078 --> 00:05:33,238 Speaker 6: reach and all about you know, how deceptive you can 128 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,078 Speaker 6: be in touching your opponent or being in that range 129 00:05:36,159 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 6: to touch them. So for me, you know, I'm a 130 00:05:38,958 --> 00:05:42,959 Speaker 6: little deceptive with my spatial awareness and knowing when I 131 00:05:42,999 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 6: can and can't touch them. And then also like if 132 00:05:45,639 --> 00:05:47,158 Speaker 6: I'm at the line and I'm close up on you, 133 00:05:47,239 --> 00:05:50,118 Speaker 6: sometimes you'll kind of anticipate me touching you because you 134 00:05:50,159 --> 00:05:52,278 Speaker 6: think you know I have long arms, but I just 135 00:05:52,318 --> 00:05:54,319 Speaker 6: give you some space so I can allow you to 136 00:05:54,399 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 6: commit and then put my arms on you. Ors sometimes 137 00:05:57,198 --> 00:06:00,638 Speaker 6: I'm at the point where you know, obviously film doesn't 138 00:06:00,678 --> 00:06:03,198 Speaker 6: give you you know, exactly. 139 00:06:03,039 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 3: The dimensions of my arms. Oh, you don't know until 140 00:06:05,479 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 3: you really see me. 141 00:06:06,198 --> 00:06:08,799 Speaker 6: So sometimes when you see me in a game and 142 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 6: it's the first time you see me, you're not really 143 00:06:10,639 --> 00:06:12,599 Speaker 6: too short, like you've seen it on film, but you 144 00:06:12,639 --> 00:06:15,079 Speaker 6: haven't experienced it. So when I do get in front 145 00:06:15,078 --> 00:06:16,959 Speaker 6: of you, it's kind of a different where Okay, I 146 00:06:16,958 --> 00:06:19,399 Speaker 6: got enough space, but you really don't like one step 147 00:06:19,399 --> 00:06:21,318 Speaker 6: and I'm gonna touch you. So I kind of use 148 00:06:21,359 --> 00:06:24,559 Speaker 6: it as a deceptive tool in my game where I'm not, like, 149 00:06:25,078 --> 00:06:27,439 Speaker 6: you know, trying to be overly aggressive, but I'm trying 150 00:06:27,479 --> 00:06:29,519 Speaker 6: to kind of, uh, you know, size it up. 151 00:06:29,639 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 5: Yeah, On and I are in the over seventy bare 152 00:06:32,239 --> 00:06:37,119 Speaker 5: knuckles league. Oh we're not over seventy. The only guys 153 00:06:37,119 --> 00:06:37,958 Speaker 5: that we can fight. 154 00:06:39,359 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 4: Over fifty. I want to ask you, Carleton about I 155 00:06:43,719 --> 00:06:46,438 Speaker 4: think you were quoted before the free agent process started 156 00:06:46,479 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 4: that you sort of regretted the way you approached it 157 00:06:49,678 --> 00:06:52,679 Speaker 4: last year. What are some of the differences what you 158 00:06:52,759 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 4: felt like you were able to do this time in 159 00:06:54,799 --> 00:06:56,758 Speaker 4: terms of the whole process that you you didn't do 160 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:57,278 Speaker 4: last year. 161 00:06:57,318 --> 00:07:00,199 Speaker 6: So the last time I hit free agency with Tampa, 162 00:07:01,078 --> 00:07:04,359 Speaker 6: you know, I just felt as if I panicked. And 163 00:07:04,479 --> 00:07:06,878 Speaker 6: I don't say I wouldn't say panic. But you know, 164 00:07:06,919 --> 00:07:10,119 Speaker 6: when free agency starts, it's going fast, and you know 165 00:07:10,239 --> 00:07:12,398 Speaker 6: you're got to make a decisive decision. You need to 166 00:07:12,599 --> 00:07:15,799 Speaker 6: you know, you know, make that decision fast because as 167 00:07:15,999 --> 00:07:17,799 Speaker 6: the longer you wait, the more the money goes in. 168 00:07:18,479 --> 00:07:21,999 Speaker 6: And I feel as if you know, I didn't want 169 00:07:21,999 --> 00:07:25,559 Speaker 6: to leave where I was at, and you know, when 170 00:07:25,599 --> 00:07:29,639 Speaker 6: we started talking, my agent wasn't really getting nowhere with 171 00:07:29,799 --> 00:07:32,719 Speaker 6: the negotiations, and I was just saying, all right, just 172 00:07:32,759 --> 00:07:34,158 Speaker 6: you know, I just kind of panic and say just 173 00:07:34,159 --> 00:07:36,359 Speaker 6: take it, just take it, just take it. And you know, 174 00:07:36,399 --> 00:07:39,759 Speaker 6: after talking to other people after the fact, it kind 175 00:07:39,759 --> 00:07:41,519 Speaker 6: of felt as if I left money on the table. 176 00:07:41,519 --> 00:07:43,679 Speaker 6: And I kind of felt that way too, even if 177 00:07:43,719 --> 00:07:46,359 Speaker 6: it was like maybe a mill or so short. You know, 178 00:07:46,479 --> 00:07:48,319 Speaker 6: in this league, you want to be as efficient as 179 00:07:48,319 --> 00:07:50,158 Speaker 6: possible because you never know when it could be your 180 00:07:50,239 --> 00:07:53,359 Speaker 6: last game. So you know, I was kind of frustrated 181 00:07:54,199 --> 00:07:57,398 Speaker 6: with that process back then, and I knew I was 182 00:07:57,399 --> 00:07:59,679 Speaker 6: hoping that me and Detroit can get something done before 183 00:08:00,239 --> 00:08:03,319 Speaker 6: I hit free agency, and that was you know, my 184 00:08:03,439 --> 00:08:05,479 Speaker 6: mind frame going into it, that I wouldn't even hit 185 00:08:05,479 --> 00:08:08,559 Speaker 6: it because we were already being negotiations and you know, 186 00:08:08,599 --> 00:08:11,359 Speaker 6: it just wasn't going the way I planned it to go. 187 00:08:11,439 --> 00:08:12,959 Speaker 6: So I was just kind of frustrated with it. Like, 188 00:08:12,999 --> 00:08:14,799 Speaker 6: you know, if I hit free agency this time, I'm 189 00:08:14,839 --> 00:08:17,559 Speaker 6: not gonna panic. I'm gonna you know, make the right decision, 190 00:08:17,599 --> 00:08:20,319 Speaker 6: and I'm gonna go where I'm wanted, and I'm not 191 00:08:20,359 --> 00:08:23,599 Speaker 6: gonna just you know, stay because I'm nervous or I'm 192 00:08:23,639 --> 00:08:26,239 Speaker 6: panicking or I don't want to change situations. 193 00:08:26,279 --> 00:08:28,038 Speaker 3: So that was really the message, man. 194 00:08:28,119 --> 00:08:29,639 Speaker 4: That was gonna be a follow up. It's just how 195 00:08:29,679 --> 00:08:33,358 Speaker 4: difficult there was to leave Detroit, which I know it 196 00:08:33,439 --> 00:08:36,718 Speaker 4: was obviously disappointing end for you guys, but still one 197 00:08:36,719 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 4: of the best two or three teams in football. 198 00:08:38,719 --> 00:08:40,919 Speaker 3: How tough was that to that would walk away from 199 00:08:41,039 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 3: that was tough. 200 00:08:42,279 --> 00:08:46,279 Speaker 6: It was really tough, honestly, because I just moved from 201 00:08:46,399 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 6: a situation I just you know, got comfortable there, and 202 00:08:49,639 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 6: I'm not a guy who wants to team hop like, 203 00:08:52,759 --> 00:08:55,838 Speaker 6: I'm trying to play hard, play hard for the organization 204 00:08:56,439 --> 00:08:59,159 Speaker 6: and eventually, you know, buy into it and they buy 205 00:08:59,159 --> 00:09:01,559 Speaker 6: into me. So you know, that was my plan when 206 00:09:01,599 --> 00:09:03,839 Speaker 6: I did get traded there. It was to you know, 207 00:09:03,919 --> 00:09:07,479 Speaker 6: leave a good enough impression where they were one extingly, uh, 208 00:09:07,919 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 6: you know, and I could be there for the rest 209 00:09:09,359 --> 00:09:09,879 Speaker 6: of my career. 210 00:09:10,039 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 3: So and so, you know, leaving was tough. I had 211 00:09:13,159 --> 00:09:14,359 Speaker 3: so I. 212 00:09:14,319 --> 00:09:16,319 Speaker 6: Just had good bonds with the guys, and I still 213 00:09:16,319 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 6: have good bonds with them, and I still respect them, 214 00:09:18,439 --> 00:09:22,079 Speaker 6: and I still uh, you know, love them as teammates, man. 215 00:09:22,239 --> 00:09:24,279 Speaker 6: And you know a lot of those guys reached out 216 00:09:24,319 --> 00:09:26,479 Speaker 6: to me during this process and they wanted me to 217 00:09:26,479 --> 00:09:28,279 Speaker 6: get a deal done, and even after the fact when 218 00:09:28,319 --> 00:09:31,199 Speaker 6: I chose to come here, they still reached out to me. 219 00:09:31,279 --> 00:09:33,999 Speaker 6: And you know, you know, was just happy for the 220 00:09:34,039 --> 00:09:36,359 Speaker 6: time I did been there and congratulated me. 221 00:09:36,479 --> 00:09:38,759 Speaker 3: So it was tough. I love the city I did. 222 00:09:38,799 --> 00:09:40,159 Speaker 6: I did go to love it and just you know, 223 00:09:40,199 --> 00:09:42,279 Speaker 6: winning when you're winning like that and you have so 224 00:09:42,359 --> 00:09:43,159 Speaker 6: much success. 225 00:09:42,879 --> 00:09:45,199 Speaker 3: Especially and that you love you guys. Man. 226 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 6: It was a time for Detroit and it was a 227 00:09:47,479 --> 00:09:49,639 Speaker 6: great time and it still is. So it was hard 228 00:09:49,639 --> 00:09:51,799 Speaker 6: for me to leave, but you know, ultimately I had 229 00:09:51,799 --> 00:09:54,039 Speaker 6: to do what was best for my career and go 230 00:09:54,079 --> 00:09:56,239 Speaker 6: where I was wanted them prioritizes. 231 00:09:55,879 --> 00:09:58,239 Speaker 5: You went here, will love you too. I mean. 232 00:09:59,639 --> 00:10:02,479 Speaker 6: I'm not coming here too, just like soak it in 233 00:10:02,519 --> 00:10:04,559 Speaker 6: and just oh I'm happy, Like no, I'm not here 234 00:10:04,599 --> 00:10:05,719 Speaker 6: to do that, like I'm here to win. 235 00:10:05,919 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 3: That's all I've ever been about. You know. 236 00:10:07,479 --> 00:10:09,799 Speaker 6: In my career, I've been trying to just be the 237 00:10:09,799 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 6: best I can be and help the team the best 238 00:10:11,319 --> 00:10:14,919 Speaker 6: way I can. And those little steps, you take big steps, 239 00:10:14,959 --> 00:10:17,719 Speaker 6: you know, because you know it's the small details that 240 00:10:17,919 --> 00:10:21,439 Speaker 6: make the biggest leaps. And you know, talking to Terrell Williams, 241 00:10:22,319 --> 00:10:24,239 Speaker 6: I mean Terence Williams before I came here, he was 242 00:10:24,319 --> 00:10:29,279 Speaker 6: just like he felt as if that, like, you know, 243 00:10:29,319 --> 00:10:32,199 Speaker 6: I thought sign he felt like we were closer to 244 00:10:32,319 --> 00:10:33,078 Speaker 6: being good than. 245 00:10:33,079 --> 00:10:33,919 Speaker 3: Other people thought like. 246 00:10:33,919 --> 00:10:36,119 Speaker 6: He was like, you know, man, now that we got 247 00:10:36,119 --> 00:10:37,999 Speaker 6: you in the guys, I feel he felt as if 248 00:10:38,039 --> 00:10:40,159 Speaker 6: like people, you know, may look at that record last 249 00:10:40,239 --> 00:10:42,239 Speaker 6: year and may think, well, they have a way to go. 250 00:10:42,279 --> 00:10:44,119 Speaker 6: It doesn't matter like what they who they bring in. 251 00:10:44,159 --> 00:10:46,279 Speaker 6: But in this league, it's just the small things. It 252 00:10:46,359 --> 00:10:49,399 Speaker 6: could be one, two, three players that just change it 253 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:51,759 Speaker 6: and turn it all around, with the leadership, with the 254 00:10:51,839 --> 00:10:54,479 Speaker 6: play on the field, with the plays they make, the 255 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,718 Speaker 6: timely plays, because you know, in games it's just the 256 00:10:57,839 --> 00:10:59,838 Speaker 6: difference is just a couple of plays if you think 257 00:10:59,879 --> 00:11:03,999 Speaker 6: about it, and third down situations, red so red zone situations. 258 00:11:04,079 --> 00:11:06,159 Speaker 6: So when you get better in those fields and you 259 00:11:06,159 --> 00:11:09,319 Speaker 6: have better players situationally, you can be better overall. 260 00:11:09,439 --> 00:11:12,599 Speaker 5: Yes, coach Ramo said when he came here first, he said, 261 00:11:12,639 --> 00:11:14,799 Speaker 5: we just want to be a team that takes advantage 262 00:11:14,839 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 5: of bad football. 263 00:11:15,639 --> 00:11:16,759 Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. 264 00:11:16,919 --> 00:11:20,959 Speaker 5: Yeah, Hey, I appreciate you coming by. Spend a kind 265 00:11:20,959 --> 00:11:23,319 Speaker 5: of world wind today, so we'll let you get back 266 00:11:23,359 --> 00:11:25,079 Speaker 5: at it. But welcome to New England. 267 00:11:25,159 --> 00:11:27,078 Speaker 3: Thank you guys for having me. All right, happy to 268 00:11:27,119 --> 00:11:27,559 Speaker 3: meet you. Guys. 269 00:11:28,919 --> 00:11:29,959 Speaker 5: Number they get you there. 270 00:11:30,719 --> 00:11:30,879 Speaker 4: All. 271 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:36,119 Speaker 6: Okay, all right, there we go. 272 00:11:34,959 --> 00:11:36,519 Speaker 3: All right. 273 00:11:37,479 --> 00:11:40,279 Speaker 1: Patriots Playbook join John Brook as he brings you all 274 00:11:40,319 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 1: the latest Patriots Talk, an expert commentary direct from Patriots HQ. 275 00:11:44,359 --> 00:11:46,759 Speaker 1: The show features interviews with New England and Opponent Beat 276 00:11:46,759 --> 00:11:48,839 Speaker 1: writers that bring you a unique media view of the 277 00:11:48,839 --> 00:11:49,559 Speaker 1: state of the teams. 278 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:50,999 Speaker 3: But where the Patriots are concerned. 279 00:11:51,279 --> 00:11:53,599 Speaker 7: Let's just get one thing done, and let's get it 280 00:11:53,639 --> 00:11:56,799 Speaker 7: done right and then we can worry about versatility. Am 281 00:11:56,839 --> 00:11:59,559 Speaker 7: I lying to anybody here? Let's just get one thing done. 282 00:11:59,639 --> 00:12:02,279 Speaker 7: Let's get one thing done right, and then we can 283 00:12:02,399 --> 00:12:04,439 Speaker 7: move along. That's kind of my biggest thing. 284 00:12:04,479 --> 00:12:07,078 Speaker 1: Search Patriots Playbook anywhere you get your podcasts.