Speaker 1: Good afternoon everyone. Welcome to the NHL Stanley Cup Playoffs
Speaker 1: live stream here on the Fantasy Pros Twitch channel. The
Speaker 1: Stanley Cup Finals have arrived, perhaps a little bit earlier
Speaker 1: then we expected. I am Tyler Kanyam wearing the Edmonton
Speaker 1: Oilers jersey today had to do it, joined as always
Speaker 1: by Betting Pros, NHL expert and Edmonton Oilers fan Kelly Kirby.
Speaker 1: I guess I don't have to ask you how you're
Speaker 1: doing today.
Speaker 2: I'm doing pretty splendid. I'm wearing last year's Western Conference
Speaker 2: champion shirt, which is just more I wore it last
Speaker 2: night too, which is just more indication of how stupid
Speaker 2: confident I want. Otherwise, like why am I wearing? Why
Speaker 2: would I jinx them? And yet I didn't care so
Speaker 2: and I didn't drink them.
Speaker 1: Well, it worked out and we're going to talk about
Speaker 1: jinxes today for sure, because there's a big thing that
Speaker 1: the Oilers and McDavid did last night that we will
Speaker 1: get to. As a reminder, we are live each and
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Speaker 1: to talk about. As we get into the Stanley Cup Finals.
Speaker 1: So lots to get into here, lots of storylines, lots
Speaker 1: of different things we can talk about, lots of bets.
Speaker 1: You cast your Game five bet there for the Carolina
Speaker 1: and Florida series, so we made some money there. I
Speaker 1: got the Panthers to win Game five on their own,
Speaker 1: so that was nice there. So obviously we've got the
Speaker 1: Florida Panthers and the Evonton Oilers Part two. They rematch
Speaker 1: again in the Stanley Cup Finals last year with the
Speaker 1: Florida Panthers winning this They've never made it for the
Speaker 1: third consecutive year, so I guess in hockey terms, we
Speaker 1: consider this to be a dynasty.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, like I guess, I hadn't
Speaker 2: really thought of it, but maybe. I mean, they keep
Speaker 2: arriving out of the East no matter who else is
Speaker 2: doing anything. But you know, again with the rearranged playoffs
Speaker 2: this year was also like did they you know? Was
Speaker 2: the setup in the best way possible? For them, which
Speaker 2: I kind of start to believe that it was a
Speaker 2: little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I've kind of been having this conversation with
Speaker 1: my friends of you know, he can't, I guess considered
Speaker 1: a dynasty because they've only got one championship so far.
Speaker 1: It's just three appearances. You look at the Golden State
Speaker 1: Warriors and New England Patriots to Kansas City Chiefs. But
Speaker 1: I just feel like in hockey it's not the eighties anymore.
Speaker 1: It's so much harder to get to multiple finals, just
Speaker 1: as we've seen with upsets and all that. So I
Speaker 1: think they're pretty close. And then I saw a thing
Speaker 1: the two thousan You looked at the twenty fourteen NHL draft,
Speaker 1: by the way or how that worked out, and I
Speaker 1: was looking at it today. Number one pick was Aaron
Speaker 1: Ecklad by the Florida Panthers, still there. Number two was
Speaker 1: I know, dry Settle went through to Edmonton. Number two
Speaker 1: was Reinhart to Buffalo, who then got traded for a
Speaker 1: second round twenty twenty two pick. Eight years later, Bennett
Speaker 1: was number four. He also got traded, so the Panthers
Speaker 1: have three of the top four picks, where he went
Speaker 1: to Calgary so it's interesting to see how they've built
Speaker 1: sort of the old fashion wakes. I think a lot
Speaker 1: of times they're saying, you know, the big thing is
Speaker 1: the Panthers get the tax breaks while the players want
Speaker 1: to go there. But when you look at it, they've
Speaker 1: actually kind of built it through the draft. So you
Speaker 1: did mention the playoff format. How do you feel I
Speaker 1: know we've talked about this before the one versus eight.
Speaker 1: We had some great first round series, great second round series,
Speaker 1: then we get to the conference finals. Both of them
Speaker 1: wrap up in five games. Did you find them taking
Speaker 1: yourself out of the Oilers fan part of it? Were
Speaker 1: they anti climactic series? Were they still exciting? How did
Speaker 1: you feel about that?
Speaker 2: I feel like they were pretty anti climactic. I mean,
Speaker 2: I think that even the discussions that you and I had,
Speaker 2: even with the I don't know, can Carolina do this
Speaker 2: type of thing, we also talked about how it kind
Speaker 2: of felt inevitable, like the rematch really kind of seemed
Speaker 2: like it was set up specifically for this. What you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, you liked Carolina, you liked the stars that
Speaker 2: it was. I feel like it was okay, maybe on
Speaker 2: paper it wouldn't it shouldn't have gone this way that
Speaker 2: the way that it went, And I'm not sure who
Speaker 2: else you would put in the conference finals to have
Speaker 2: made it better, like for any of these teams.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, and I think the Dallas Evonton series
Speaker 1: was certainly entertaining. I think more entertaining than Florida Carolina,
Speaker 1: which was pretty one sided. I think there, you know,
Speaker 1: there were a couple of games Dallas could have maybe
Speaker 1: won and got this to a game six or maybe
Speaker 1: a game seven. The end of the day, I think
Speaker 1: these were just the two best teams. But I think
Speaker 1: of you know, Dallas Colorado being a great series, you
Speaker 1: think of Winnipeg being a great series. Florida and Toronto
Speaker 1: they go to a game seven, So it's it's you know,
Speaker 1: would you prefer the Leafs and the Panthers to be
Speaker 1: in the conference finals. I don't know, but I know
Speaker 1: it's going to be a big topic of conversation, as
Speaker 1: it always is, because you know, when the most eyes
Speaker 1: are on you in the conference finals for one for one,
Speaker 1: see you later, time to go home, so be interesting
Speaker 1: to see. I don't think anything is going to change
Speaker 1: in that sense. I think the NHL just likes that
Speaker 1: system way too much, and you've got your Stanley cut
Speaker 1: bet there on the oilers, So what are you planning
Speaker 1: to Are you planning to play off of that and
Speaker 1: taking Florida here? Are you just gonna ride it with Edmonton?
Speaker 2: I took Florida when they were plus one twenty five,
Speaker 2: just that conversation that we had, and I'm like, I
Speaker 2: don't think that I did. However, last night I looked
Speaker 2: at it. I was like, so, let's see how this
Speaker 2: set up. And I was sitting there and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: such cowards with the minus one ten minus one ten thing.
Speaker 2: I'm like, come on, But yeah, no, I took them
Speaker 2: at plus one twenty five just to offset. So I
Speaker 2: will come out ahead either way.
Speaker 1: But and I think we kind of predicted yet. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if we get to the end and
Speaker 1: they just say minus one ten minus one ten, especially
Speaker 1: because we've got so much time before Game one. Let's
Speaker 1: see where that's It's already kind of gone a little
Speaker 1: bit towards Edmonton. I think they're like minus one twelve
Speaker 1: or minus one thirteen now, so it will be interesting
Speaker 1: to see how that shakes out.
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Speaker 1: So as a statsky, as a stats nerd, I always
Speaker 1: like going back in time and looking at things and
Speaker 1: looking how things have changed as we've progressed. So before
Speaker 1: the playoffs started, the Florida Panthers were plus three point
Speaker 1: fifty to win the Eastern Conference, which they did, so
Speaker 1: if you bet that they cashed. The West was interesting,
Speaker 1: and we talked about this a lot. The Stars and
Speaker 1: the Avalanche were both the favorites to come out of
Speaker 1: the West. Oilers were third at plus four fifty, and
Speaker 1: it's one of those things I'm looking. You look at
Speaker 1: it now at the benefit of hindsight, and you go,
Speaker 1: why the heck did I not take Edmonton Oilers at
Speaker 1: plus four fifty. They looked mortal at the start of
Speaker 1: round one, and there we are. And then you look
Speaker 1: at the Stanley Cup odds beforehand. You know you got
Speaker 1: a plus eleven hundred I think, or a plus one thousand.
Speaker 1: The Oilers were around plus nine hundred, the Panthers were
Speaker 1: plus eight hundred, which were the second best odds before
Speaker 1: the Stanley Cup started. And now it's obviously shrunk all
Speaker 1: the way down to essentially even money. And then another
Speaker 1: thing that's interesting. When we wrapped up last week's show,
Speaker 1: we said, Connor McDavid for the con smythe is plus
Speaker 1: one sixty five. You're never going to find better odds
Speaker 1: in a first of all, did you bet him at
Speaker 1: plus one sixty five?
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, me too, when I was like, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: if they make it, I just don't know who else
Speaker 2: takes it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and he opened. He was the second favorite
Speaker 1: behind Nathan McKinnon. He was plus fifteen hundred to win
Speaker 1: the con Smyth before the playoffs started, and I'm kicking
Speaker 1: myself all the way through because he was plus fifteen
Speaker 1: hundred before round two, he was plus eight hundred, before
Speaker 1: round three, he was plus three fifty. He's now down
Speaker 1: to plus one twenty. So if you got the plus
Speaker 1: one sixty five last week, good for you. Do you
Speaker 1: think there's still value there at taking him at plus
Speaker 1: one twenty, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think there's definitely value. I don't know. I don't
Speaker 2: know personally if someone from the losing team wins the
Speaker 2: consum ice ever, but I also think that if this
Speaker 2: is even close, or if it's a high scoring and
Speaker 2: the Panthers somehow win, I mean, if Bobrovski gives up
Speaker 2: more goal, of like, who else are you going to
Speaker 2: give it to? But yeah, you know, yeah, I just
Speaker 2: don't have any issue. If it's plus money. There's so
Speaker 2: many bets I will make if when you give it
Speaker 2: to me, I'm McDavid. So this one seems like, I mean,
Speaker 2: if they win, there's no question.
Speaker 1: And let's just say hypothetically, I don't want to put
Speaker 1: it into the universe for you, but let's just say
Speaker 1: the Panthers win this Daily Cup. Bobrovski's the current favorite
Speaker 1: at plus two fifty got bark Off at plus five
Speaker 1: fifteen and to Chuck all the way down at plus
Speaker 1: eighteen hundred. Do you think Bobrovski is to play there
Speaker 1: if the Panthers were to win this.
Speaker 2: Sort of I was looking today about like which players
Speaker 2: had really good series last year, and Kochuck was was solid,
Speaker 2: and so for his number to be that low, I
Speaker 2: that's tempting to me. But I mean, I think that
Speaker 2: they have that scored correctly because basically what they're saying
Speaker 2: is Edmonton is going to try to outscore him. It's
Speaker 2: on Barofsky to stop that. And so I think that
Speaker 2: it's okay that he's there. I'm not going to bet it,
Speaker 2: but I think that Kokchuck could also have just a
Speaker 2: blow up series and steal it.
Speaker 1: So I agree. And when I saw that too, to me,
Speaker 1: it's one of those things where like I think McDavid
Speaker 1: at plus one twenty is great because I think that
Speaker 1: that's probably the most likely situation. But yeah, when I
Speaker 1: looked at Florida, I'm like, this is an opportunity that
Speaker 1: let's just go hunting for some value here. You've already
Speaker 1: got plus money on McDavid. That to me, to Chuck
Speaker 1: knowing how he plays in the finals in the playoffs
Speaker 1: in general, he's the type of guy that plus eighteen hundred. Like,
Speaker 1: I just think, if you give to Chuck eighteen times
Speaker 1: to be the best player in the series, is he
Speaker 1: going to do it more than once? And so in
Speaker 1: that sense, I feel like there is some value there.
Speaker 1: So I think for myself McDavid, I've already got the
Speaker 1: plus one sixty five, but I still like it at
Speaker 1: plus one twenty and I do not hate Kachuk at
Speaker 1: plus eighteen hundred at all. So as we get into
Speaker 1: this series, as we mentioned, it's opened up basically the
Speaker 1: same on either side, minus one ten on the Oilers,
Speaker 1: minus one ten on the Panthers. When you look at
Speaker 1: this series spread, there's some money to be made there
Speaker 1: if you so choose, If you think that this series
Speaker 1: is going to be a quick one, You've got the
Speaker 1: Oilers minus one and a half, they're plus one eighty
Speaker 1: and the Panthers at minus one and a half are
Speaker 1: plus one seventy. So we talked about it a little bit,
Speaker 1: but do you think that this is how you expected
Speaker 1: the lines to open for the series? Markets and what
Speaker 1: do you think about the series spreads. Do you think
Speaker 1: one of these teams can get it done in five
Speaker 1: games or less.
Speaker 2: Yeah, actually we'll talk about that a little bit. But
Speaker 2: I do think that this could actually get lopsided in
Speaker 2: a hurry. So it is interesting to me that the
Speaker 2: Panthers spread is actually that it has better odds and
Speaker 2: the oiler spread either way, Like I don't know, Like
Speaker 2: in my head, I when I again, when we get
Speaker 2: to our other bets, I'm going to make a case.
Speaker 2: But you know, I think the smart money is to
Speaker 2: avoid the spread at this point because it went seven
Speaker 2: last year, even after being down three to zero. It's hard.
Speaker 2: It's hard to really see if one of these teams
Speaker 2: can kind of just dominate it. But I'm still not
Speaker 2: a big fan of the spread.
Speaker 1: That's how I felt as well, and I mean stupidly.
Speaker 1: I guess my favorite bet from round three was for
Speaker 1: both series to go six or more games, and neither
Speaker 1: of them went to six games. And I have the
Speaker 1: same feeling here of just this is what's going to
Speaker 1: be interesting, because what I loved about the Eastern and
Speaker 1: the Western Conference finals was that Florida and Carolina were
Speaker 1: so similar that was going to be an under series
Speaker 1: there wasn't going to be a ton of scoring. Dallas
Speaker 1: and Edmonton were pretty similar. That was going to be
Speaker 1: a highest scoring series. So now you take the highest scoring,
Speaker 1: the best defensively, you put it together and now it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: well it was an automatic over for Edmonton Dallas, it
Speaker 1: was an automatic under for Carolina Florida. Once we start
Speaker 1: getting into the games, which we're not going to talk
Speaker 1: too much about today, but once we start getting into
Speaker 1: the games, how are you looking at this? Like, I know,
Speaker 1: game one you can get six's already, Like, do you
Speaker 1: think that the offense can overpower here and we're looking
Speaker 1: more towards overs or are we looking more towards unders?
Speaker 2: I feel like that entirely depends on which Skinner shows up, right.
Speaker 2: I think that because I think that others are going
Speaker 2: to put three or more goals up pretty easily, Like
Speaker 2: not I mean not easily, but I mean I think
Speaker 2: that they'll get to three. The questions is Skinner going
Speaker 2: to give up four? So it's that's that's how you
Speaker 2: have to look at it. The return of Eckholm is huge,
Speaker 2: I think, and now that he's got like six days
Speaker 2: of rest, like that's just a monster opportunity there, so
Speaker 2: so that with his return, I'm a little bit leaning
Speaker 2: towards the under sometimes. But when we get back together
Speaker 2: on Tuesday, I'll probably give you an entire speech on
Speaker 2: why we should the over. So it's you know, right now,
Speaker 2: I'm just like, yeah, I want to see how the
Speaker 2: first game goes. But the fact that it's in Edmonton,
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm like, I don't know, I would still
Speaker 2: if the over stays plus money, I'm like, I'll just
Speaker 2: I'll take it.
Speaker 1: So that was my thought I did. I had it
Speaker 1: on the Best bet graphic. Briefly, I took it off,
Speaker 1: but I have bet game one over. It's minus I've
Speaker 1: got the six, so you can get a six and
Speaker 1: a half if you want the plus money. I just
Speaker 1: took the six because I always I'm obsessed with push
Speaker 1: potential in hockey, and it was minus one ten or
Speaker 1: minus one fifteen, I think, So I did take that
Speaker 1: initial over, and as you mentioned, the deciding factor for
Speaker 1: me was that this game is in Edmonton. They are
Speaker 1: I don't know what the streak is now, is they
Speaker 1: had won ten of twelve. It might be like either
Speaker 1: twelve of fourteen or something like that. Now like they've
Speaker 1: just been rolling and their offense has been rolling that
Speaker 1: now they roll right into Edmonton and they just feel
Speaker 1: like a different team. And the one thing, there's two
Speaker 1: things that you mentioned that I want to talk about,
Speaker 1: one being the goalie, but got to start with it.
Speaker 1: They touched the trophy. So as tradition, if you I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm sure if you're watching this, you're probably a hockey fan.
Speaker 1: But if you're not, when the Eastern Conference Finals and
Speaker 1: the Western Conference Finals champions are named, they get a trophy.
Speaker 1: There is the Clarence Campbell Trophy and there's the Prince
Speaker 1: of Wales Trophy. For the Western Conference, it's the Clarence
Speaker 1: Campbell Last year and if there's a stigma, you don't
Speaker 1: touch the trophy. You certainly don't touch the Stanley Cup
Speaker 1: until you win it, but you don't touch the you
Speaker 1: can or you can't. Yeah, last year the Edmond Snoilers
Speaker 1: refused to touch the Clarence Campbell Trophy. They lost. This year,
Speaker 1: they touched it. Connor McDavid, there's this funny picture floating
Speaker 1: around and him like very unsure or should he should
Speaker 1: he not? Afterwards he said, well, you know what, last
Speaker 1: year we didn't and it didn't work out. Florida Panthers,
Speaker 1: by the way, didn't touch it last year. One didn't
Speaker 1: touch it this year. What do you make of this?
Speaker 1: Do you think it was a smart thing? I actually
Speaker 1: I like this move because I think again last it
Speaker 1: just to me it shows last year they were a
Speaker 1: little bit timid. They were a little bit scared. It
Speaker 1: was new to them. The Panthers had been there already
Speaker 1: when they lost to Vegas, so they were They had
Speaker 1: a little bit of hesitancy. And to me, this shows,
Speaker 1: you know what, We're just going to go win this now.
Speaker 1: Like I know, I keep bringing up the four Nations,
Speaker 1: but it's such a huge deal for those players to
Speaker 1: have won that tournament. McDavid scores the winning goal in that.
Speaker 1: To me, it just shows this mentality of like, I'm
Speaker 1: not letting us lose it. We're gonna go win this now.
Speaker 1: How do you feel about it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? That was the first of all. I left so hard.
Speaker 2: When he was standing there and he looked back and
Speaker 2: it was kind of that it was that look of
Speaker 2: are we sure we're doing this? Like obviously they talked
Speaker 2: about it before, you know, I went I told you
Speaker 2: last time, I went to the Hockey Hall of Fame
Speaker 2: last summer and they were not in the Stanley Cup yet,
Speaker 2: but they were in the finals and the Stanley Cup
Speaker 2: was there, and so we stood on the platform, my
Speaker 2: parents and my wife and I and she was my
Speaker 2: wife's like, can I touch it?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: And the photographer was like, he's like, well, most people
Speaker 2: don't do that, like because the team would lose. But
Speaker 2: I was like, my wife is so impulsive that I
Speaker 2: think she touched it and didn't want to tell me
Speaker 2: after and then Edmonton went on to lose.
Speaker 1: Now we know who's exactly.
Speaker 2: So I've blamed her for a year. Yeah, I mean again,
Speaker 2: this comes back to I I've never I don't know
Speaker 2: it's been I watched a lot of sports and this
Speaker 2: team is literally acting exactly how you said, Like there
Speaker 2: is there is a strong effort going on like like
Speaker 2: we don't care, tradition doesn't matter. And yeah, but there
Speaker 2: that moment where he was just like are we sure?
Speaker 1: Was totally it's gonna be. Just it blazed in my
Speaker 1: memory of him, look like he looked like a little
Speaker 1: kid all of a sudden, and I done it. Like
Speaker 1: Conor McDavid is a superstitious player. He's worn the same
Speaker 1: socks if you've ever seen that, the same sock since
Speaker 1: Junior that has have hold in them. Like he is
Speaker 1: someone who is very specific with how he goes about
Speaker 1: his business. So I love to see that to say, yeah,
Speaker 1: screw it, we're just gonna go win. And if we don't,
Speaker 1: it's not because of a superstition. It's not because we
Speaker 1: touched a trophy. It's because the Florida Panthers are going
Speaker 1: to have to beat us. So that to me, and
Speaker 1: we've talked about it before. They just when you watch sports,
Speaker 1: you just sometimes go You see it all the time
Speaker 1: with the Kansaity Chiefs because they just have Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 1: and they just don't lose. You go, yeah, this team's
Speaker 1: just gonna win, like you seting it right now. I
Speaker 1: think with the Okac Thunder in the NBA, they're gonna win,
Speaker 1: right And I think that that's the vibe that I
Speaker 1: get from the Edmonton Oilers. So I'm happy that he
Speaker 1: touched it. Like I said, the Panthers didn't, So we'll
Speaker 1: see how all that plays out. Getting into the nitty
Speaker 1: gritty of the series a little bit, obviously, this is
Speaker 1: a rematch of last year, and the big storyline was
Speaker 1: that the Florida Panthers win the Stanley Cup in Game seven,
Speaker 1: a two to one victory. They jumped out to a
Speaker 1: three nothing lead before you know, there's the I think
Speaker 1: it was Game seven, but there's the famous clip also
Speaker 1: of Conor McDavid screaming at everybody in the locker room
Speaker 1: to get it together and to take it seriously. Oiler's
Speaker 1: store and back. They win Game four, five, and six
Speaker 1: by a combined score of eighteen to five. And then
Speaker 1: the other big storyline going into this I guess, is
Speaker 1: that it's been more than thirty years since a Canadian
Speaker 1: team has won the Stanley Cup. That was Montreal Canadians
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety three. What do you make of I'm
Speaker 1: interested to get your perspective as an American me a Canadian,
Speaker 1: what do you make of this whole? Like Canada hasn't
Speaker 1: won a Stanley Cup. I don't make much take much
Speaker 1: stock into it because I look at all the teams
Speaker 1: that win and go Yet well, half your team's Canadian anyway,
Speaker 1: So does this really matter? But at the same time,
Speaker 1: for my fellow Canadians, it would be nice to say Hey,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm happy that the fan base has
Speaker 1: the Cup more so than the Cup just being on
Speaker 1: a Canadian team.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of interesting because I sometimes lament that
Speaker 2: I was not born in Canada. I mean, I'm so close,
Speaker 2: and I just think that one of the things about
Speaker 2: it is the egotism of Americans, Like that is a
Speaker 2: thing that people have held up forever. So if you're
Speaker 2: not a fan of a Canadian team, or if you're
Speaker 2: not a fan of an American team, and you're just
Speaker 2: listening to this, like you're listening to the stat over
Speaker 2: and over and over again. So I'm like, obviously, it's Edmonton,
Speaker 2: it's my team. I want them to win. But I'd
Speaker 2: also just like to shut that up, like because the
Speaker 2: same thing, right, like, Okay, let's go through the rosters,
Speaker 2: take off all the Canadians, and then let's see how
Speaker 2: you do type of deal. But yeah, yeah, and then
Speaker 2: in this one, I'm really hoping like if they do
Speaker 2: a map of like who's cheering for who, I would
Speaker 2: assume that only one specific part of Florida is going
Speaker 2: to cheer for Florida. They won last year. I don't
Speaker 2: think they're that likable. They don't have like, you know,
Speaker 2: there's not a lot of charisma going on. And then
Speaker 2: you look at Edmonton and it's like pick someone, yeah,
Speaker 2: and and the whole thirty year in which you know
Speaker 2: will get brought up constantly. So so yeah, it's a
Speaker 2: it's a thing.
Speaker 1: Edmonton is definitely the more fun team to watch, the
Speaker 1: sexier team to watch. They've got the goal, They've got
Speaker 1: David Ryesida leading the way with those goals. They just
Speaker 1: play a really fun style of hockey. They're playing old
Speaker 1: school style of hockey in that sense. But I'm hoping
Speaker 1: from that narrative too, because I've had to hear it
Speaker 1: over and over all. The American wins the cob the
Speaker 1: America's one. Like it's like, again, it's not like you
Speaker 1: got It's not like it's the nineteen forties where the
Speaker 1: Maple Leafs are all players from Toronto and the Boston
Speaker 1: Ruins are all players from Boston. It's completely global, So yes,
Speaker 1: I get it, it's technically in America. But also you know,
Speaker 1: when the Toronto Raptors won the twenty nineteen NBA Championship
Speaker 1: that wasn't really kind of but it's still America's game,
Speaker 1: So that's my own personal little event there. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it would be nice to see and it would be
Speaker 1: nice to end that drought just because we've got six teams,
Speaker 1: so it'd be nice to change that up. As I mentioned,
Speaker 1: when you start looking at the matchups, obviously the star
Speaker 1: powers on Edmonton, you've got McDavid, you've got dry Sidle
Speaker 1: leading the way with twenty six and twenty five points.
Speaker 1: But Sam Bennett does lead the way in the NHL
Speaker 1: Playoffs with ten goals, which is three ahead of dry Sidle.
Speaker 1: Do you look at it like Florida is a deeper
Speaker 1: team in the sense of, yeah, they don't have that
Speaker 1: top end talent, but they're back in talent might be
Speaker 1: a little bit better, and then Edmonton is very top
Speaker 1: heavy and not so much or do you think it's
Speaker 1: evenly matched all the way through there?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean I last year, I would say, if we've
Speaker 2: been doing this show, I would have talked about nothing
Speaker 2: but how top heavy Edmonton was, because it just seemed
Speaker 2: like if if McDavid and dry Sidle were on the ice,
Speaker 2: there was nothing happening. I've never seen two athletes look
Speaker 2: more tired than they did in Game seven. I mean,
Speaker 2: I was just like, I don't even know how they're
Speaker 2: standing up at this point. I think that they're deeper
Speaker 2: this year. We've talked about him a lot, the return
Speaker 2: of Evander Kaine. Everybody loves to hate him. That's fine,
Speaker 2: I would if he wasn't on my team, but he
Speaker 2: has been kind of holding down that second third area
Speaker 2: and really facilitating some some things. We're gonna miss hymen uh,
Speaker 2: mostly because of the hits he was getting this in
Speaker 2: in the series. But I but again, Skinner is not
Speaker 2: exactly a nice guy. So anyway, you just had to
Speaker 2: have the And it's it's third playoff game next, But
Speaker 2: Florida has a deep They have a very brusher I
Speaker 2: think that, yeah, they can score from all over. That
Speaker 2: third line with Marshawn has been killing it, but I
Speaker 2: don't think it's at all as top heavy as it
Speaker 2: used to be either.
Speaker 1: And I think Corey Perry is sort of offset. And
Speaker 1: he's another player I can't stand him because he doesn't
Speaker 1: play for Toronto. If he did, you'd love him. He
Speaker 1: seems to kind of have offset the Brad Marshawn addition
Speaker 1: to Florida, which I think was a great addition on
Speaker 1: their side. But he reminds me of the same type
Speaker 1: of player at Grinder. He's going to get in front
Speaker 1: of the net, can kill penalties, and he's going to
Speaker 1: get those dirty goals. I think he's I mean, he's
Speaker 1: certainly not going to slide into Zach Hyman's role and
Speaker 1: the pure goal scoring and all that. But I think
Speaker 1: in a seven game series they should be able to
Speaker 1: sort of, you know, cover that up a little bit
Speaker 1: better than you know, if it was through the course
Speaker 1: of eighty games. I do want to talk about the
Speaker 1: goaltending in a second, but first I just wanted to
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Speaker 1: sure when those props start going live. You are all
Speaker 1: over that because you've got McDavid, you've got dry Sidle,
Speaker 1: all kinds of things looking at the goaltending. The main
Speaker 1: question I have for you obviously, which Stuart Skinner is
Speaker 1: going to show up. That's been the talk of every
Speaker 1: Oilers game that we've had on every single stream. Pickard
Speaker 1: got hurt, but he is back on the bench backing
Speaker 1: up Stuart Skinner. Is this Skinner series win or lose?
Speaker 1: Or could we see a change if he comes out
Speaker 1: in game one in game two and gives up six goals.
Speaker 2: Right this very second, I wish this was not a
Speaker 2: strictly betting podcast because I could talk. I think we
Speaker 2: should talk forever about how quickly they about how quickly
Speaker 2: they pulled up in last night, and I thought it
Speaker 2: was the dumbest thing I've ever seen. But anyway, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean it's I don't think it's skinners. I think
Speaker 2: it's Skinners to win or lose. But I also they're
Speaker 2: not afraid to make a change, like if if there's
Speaker 2: if they're if bad Skinner shows up in game one,
Speaker 2: I think that Picard might get a game two. But
Speaker 2: the next question I guess I have is like he
Speaker 2: hasn't really been Bad Skinner as much at all for
Speaker 2: a while. So it's like, I like you tweeted last
Speaker 2: night after the three goals, You're like, it doesn't even
Speaker 2: matter if Bad Skinner shows up. So yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: so it's kind of I guess I need to give
Speaker 2: him a little bit more of a break. He's it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think they'll ride. They'll ride with him, unless it
Speaker 2: turns into a blow out the first game, in which
Speaker 2: case they might give him a break.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's it's one of those things that not
Speaker 1: that it's a first impression, but it's kind of a
Speaker 1: first impression where he had those just brutal games against LA.
Speaker 1: He comes out and really since then he's been good.
Speaker 1: Like when you look at the goaltending matchup, obviously Bbrovski's
Speaker 1: been better, sitting in second in goals against IT two
Speaker 1: point one one, But Skinner's been moving up the ranks.
Speaker 1: He's at fifth, He's at two point five to three,
Speaker 1: which in the playoffs is pretty good anytime you can
Speaker 1: be around two and a half. Bobrovski's got the nine
Speaker 1: to one to four safe percentage, which is good for third.
Speaker 1: Perhaps that's the only fault. It's at nine oh four,
Speaker 1: which is eight. But you know a lot of that's
Speaker 1: going to be affected by those early games where he
Speaker 1: was giving up five goals and like ten shots, which
Speaker 1: is really going to destroy your percentage there. So do
Speaker 1: you think that that is good? How much of goaltending
Speaker 1: you think is going to be a factor in this series?
Speaker 1: Less more than the offense?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think the way Florida plays right
Speaker 2: and with Bobrowski there doing what he's doing, then yeah,
Speaker 2: the goalten the goaltend is going to make a really
Speaker 2: huge difference. You don't want to have that, Like, like
Speaker 2: I said, I just keep seeing like one giant slip
Speaker 2: up from either one of them. But the Oilers got
Speaker 2: the Bibrovski last year. I mean Games four, five, and
Speaker 2: six were absurd. So it's it's I don't think it's
Speaker 2: as big. I don't think it's as big of a
Speaker 2: deal as it would be if this was like Winnipeg
Speaker 2: versus Florida, where then it would be like, oh the
Speaker 2: goal ton In is all of it. It's just uh yeah,
Speaker 2: So I'm going to go with it's not as big
Speaker 2: as the offense. And then all of these games are
Speaker 2: going to end two to one.
Speaker 1: I think it's a situation, yeah, exactly where I think
Speaker 1: Game one is going to be very interesting for this
Speaker 1: depending on what the score is. Who wins, Like if
Speaker 1: Skinner has the bad game and he gives up six
Speaker 1: because Florida is not really going to be expected to,
Speaker 1: like if they're going to win this series, Florida's got
Speaker 1: to win two to one, three to one, like there
Speaker 1: he can't win six'. FIVE i don't think that's just
Speaker 1: not their style of. Game it's not how they like to.
Speaker 1: Play so If skinner comes out and does give, up
Speaker 1: say six, goals And bbrovski has a six as a
Speaker 1: has a good, game like let's Say florida wins five
Speaker 1: to one in game, one it would be interesting just
Speaker 1: to see what the confidence level might. Be but as of, now,
Speaker 1: YEAH i think that he's going to benefit now from
Speaker 1: the fact that he's not playing The Dallas. Stars he's
Speaker 1: not playing you, know some of these more high powered
Speaker 1: offenses that you might. See so it's going to be.
Speaker 1: Interesting AND i think THAT i agree with you with
Speaker 1: The audinger. Pull you can't especially in that instance Where
Speaker 1: audinger played every single game the whole way through you
Speaker 1: get into this game now with your back against so,
Speaker 1: on and it's, like, okay well you're. Done and it's,
Speaker 1: LIKE i don't know how you can just sort of
Speaker 1: veer away from that trust so, quickly and to react that,
Speaker 1: QUICKLY i do think was a bad. Move so if
Speaker 1: you had to pin one thing is the all things are?
Speaker 1: Equal there's ONE x factor in this. Series is it
Speaker 1: McDavid being the best player in the. World is it the,
Speaker 1: goaltending is it the special? Teams what do you think
Speaker 1: could be the difference maker of this?
Speaker 2: SERIES i, mean my initial instinct is McDavid, right, like
Speaker 2: you have the best player on the, planet and he
Speaker 2: again seems so beyond locked in that it's LIKE i
Speaker 2: feel like he just he has another gear and then
Speaker 2: and if that gear isn't, enough he'll just get another
Speaker 2: one and he'll just keep. Going SO i think he's
Speaker 2: the correct answer for. Me it's also Like Newton hopkins
Speaker 2: has been playing out of his mind AND i And
Speaker 2: BENNETT i actually on the floor to side like how
Speaker 2: much do they keep doing? It because you Know barkhov
Speaker 2: And kachuck And reinhart like that those are their top
Speaker 2: Three and If bennett And Jet hopkins can keep doing
Speaker 2: what they're, doing then that will be a little bit
Speaker 2: more of AN x. Factor SO i would say McDavid
Speaker 2: than that, line and then the return Of eckholm is
Speaker 2: the other.
Speaker 1: Thing, YEAH i have to, agree and THAT i wanted
Speaker 1: to try to come up with a deeper, answer but
Speaker 1: coddor McDavid is truly the best player on the planet
Speaker 1: AND i don't think it's particularly close right. Now and
Speaker 1: then when you see the confidence level that he's playing,
Speaker 1: at it just reminds you of all these great players
Speaker 1: who have put the team on their back and, said
Speaker 1: IF i have to play thirty five, MINUTES i, Will
Speaker 1: IF i have to play all the special, TEAMS i.
Speaker 1: Will IF i did have to look outside, THAT i
Speaker 1: do think it would be the. GOALTENDING i think that's
Speaker 1: the only, real the only real weak Spot edmonton, has
Speaker 1: which hasn't been that, week BUT i think if there is,
Speaker 1: one it's. There perhaps in the. COACHING i Think Paul
Speaker 1: maurice is a great. Coach he's gotten his team to
Speaker 1: The Stanley cup finals three straight. Times so maybe just
Speaker 1: when it comes to the x's and, o's when they
Speaker 1: get back To, florida can he come up with a
Speaker 1: game plan when he has the second. Change BUT i
Speaker 1: do think these teams are very really evenly, matched just
Speaker 1: in different. Ways BUT i, AGREE i think this series
Speaker 1: could also be over pretty quickly. TOO i think it
Speaker 1: just kind of. Depends game, ONE i think is really
Speaker 1: going to set the, tone especially with it being In.
Speaker 1: Edmonton so as we get into, it, now let's start
Speaker 1: talking about our best series, bets because both of us
Speaker 1: have some pretty juicy. Ones SO i will let you
Speaker 1: get things.
Speaker 2: Started, Okay so keep in mind we won last night
Speaker 2: to go to The Stanley. Cup i'm a Massive oilers,
Speaker 2: fan so WHEN i was looking at the, bets they
Speaker 2: are so confident like and, AGAIN i really haven't ever
Speaker 2: cheered for a team that was this confident at. All
Speaker 2: SO i am putting sprinkling something on the series to
Speaker 2: be a sweep at plus six, Hundred could it go
Speaker 2: the other way In florida, Sweep i'm. SURE i mean it's,
Speaker 2: yea BUT i THINK i think that it would. BE
Speaker 2: i feel like it's more possible THAN i would have
Speaker 2: considered a month. Ago the other, thing, though is THAT
Speaker 2: i would also kind of sprinkle on five games that's
Speaker 2: at plus two. Seventy the same rule applies where maybe
Speaker 2: If edmonton gets out to The sea lead and then
Speaker 2: they punt a, game like you, Know game three In
Speaker 2: florida doesn't go their way and then they finish it
Speaker 2: up at. Home So i'm fine on four and five,
Speaker 2: Games i'm sure the better bet is to go for.
Speaker 2: Ten it's gonna go, seven OR i think it's gonna
Speaker 2: go seven because they are evenly. Matched BUT i woke
Speaker 2: up this running And i'm, like, nah we're gonna go.
Speaker 1: Sweep AND i think BECAUSE i, THINK i think seven
Speaker 1: games is plus two, hundred and to, me it's, LIKE
Speaker 1: i think the plus six hundred is probably, like is
Speaker 1: it likely to be a? Sweep probably, not BUT i
Speaker 1: think that's probably more likely than a game seven at those,
Speaker 1: odds like at six to, ONE i think it's definitely
Speaker 1: worth putting the money on. That SO i, think, again who? Knows?
Speaker 1: Right LIKE i thought the same thing about the conference
Speaker 1: finals that, oh you, know these teams match up really,
Speaker 1: well and we could see a seven game series Between
Speaker 1: carolina And, florida and it couldn't have been more. Wrong
Speaker 1: they just rolled right over a team that it had
Speaker 1: rolled right over everybody going into, it SO i do.
Speaker 1: THINK i think that BET's really good. Too mine's pretty.
Speaker 1: Simple i'm just gonna take The Edmonton oilers to win
Speaker 1: The Stanley cup at minus won ten for the same
Speaker 1: reason you've. SAID i Just i've pretty much put a
Speaker 1: lot of my eggs in the basket of being The
Speaker 1: Edmonton oilers, now so if The panthers, Win i'm, SORRY
Speaker 1: i JUST i look at that. Confidence and you can
Speaker 1: Say florida's got the same confidence because they're defending champions as,
Speaker 1: well AND i can say that is, True BUT i
Speaker 1: Just edmonton's got the better. Player SO i took The
Speaker 1: Edmonton oilers to win the series minus won. Ten and
Speaker 1: then another one THAT i really like is The oilers
Speaker 1: to Win game one and to win the. Series that's
Speaker 1: plus one sixty. Five SO i think game one being
Speaker 1: In edmonton just the momentum they have right. NOW i
Speaker 1: Know florida is hot as, well but the Way edmonton's
Speaker 1: been playing at, home with how absolutely unbelievably loud that building,
Speaker 1: gets and how much of an advantage it is to
Speaker 1: play In, edmonton give me The oilers to Win game
Speaker 1: one and the series at plus one sixty five and
Speaker 1: then to kind of hedge off that the one THAT
Speaker 1: i like as well is For Sam bennett to lead
Speaker 1: this series in. Goals it's plus eighteen, hundred so he is.
Speaker 1: Eight that number is, correct, Right let me just double
Speaker 1: check and make sure that that is. RIGHT i know
Speaker 1: it was a big plus. Money just double checking that
Speaker 1: bear with. Me plus makes for good, too, sorry plus
Speaker 1: eleven hundred For Sam bennett to have the most, goals
Speaker 1: and AS i mentioned, earlier he is leading THE nhl
Speaker 1: playoffs in goals with ten so. Far and SO i
Speaker 1: just look at it like IF i don't want to
Speaker 1: put all my eggs in The edmonton, basket so If
Speaker 1: i'm going to use The florida, BASKET i Like Sam
Speaker 1: bennett to lead the way there with. GOALS i know
Speaker 1: To chuck's. GOOD i Know Ryan hart's, good but he's
Speaker 1: just Been he's been the steadying force on offense there
Speaker 1: at plus eleven. Hundred SO i know you've got some
Speaker 1: some juicy ones as.
Speaker 2: WELL i first of, ALL i do love the win
Speaker 2: game one in the. SERIES i think that combo is
Speaker 2: is pretty. Great so when you headed in, THERE i
Speaker 2: was a little sad BECAUSE i try not to double,
Speaker 2: up SO i was looking on DraftKings at the most,
Speaker 2: points and McDavid is plus one thirty to have the most,
Speaker 2: points so as the rule, GOES i should just make
Speaker 2: a shirt that's, like that's, like if McDavid is plus,
Speaker 2: money go for, It, LIKE i, mean there's a there's
Speaker 2: always a chance on, paper this is what this is
Speaker 2: what he thinks. Like he can always turn that. On
Speaker 2: SO i would definitely look into. That and then it
Speaker 2: is only plus one, thirty just to, Note but then
Speaker 2: If i'm going to hedge, RIGHT i was looking at,
Speaker 2: AGAIN i was looking at The panthers players versus The
Speaker 2: oilers in the, playoffs and Kachuk is he's done really
Speaker 2: well against them throughout his, career like when he was
Speaker 2: In calgary and. Whatnot so the idea that he would
Speaker 2: have the most points like On florida's, side seems reasonable to.
Speaker 2: Me and at plus one. Thousand, again if when you're
Speaker 2: looking at future stuff like, this you just sprinkle on
Speaker 2: where you sprinkle on where you want to, go and
Speaker 2: then sometimes it just works.
Speaker 1: Out so, YEAH i like that one as. Well AND
Speaker 1: i did a quarter unit on The bennett one for
Speaker 1: the plus eleven, hundred AND i just look at it
Speaker 1: like you, know the whole way through the, playoffs whether
Speaker 1: it Was ajo or whoever else to lead a lot
Speaker 1: of times because the you, know the coaching and the
Speaker 1: defense are going to be so keyed in on these
Speaker 1: players that sometimes who you think is going to lead
Speaker 1: the way and, scoring LIKE i don't know how many
Speaker 1: Points NuGen hopkins had in the conference finals a, bunch
Speaker 1: And Evan bouchard has been great as. Well that when
Speaker 1: you start getting into these ten to, one eleven to one,
Speaker 1: ODDS i think it's definitely worth just throwing a little bit,
Speaker 1: there a quarter unit or, something just because you never,
Speaker 1: know and you could also not THAT i ever want
Speaker 1: this to, happen but if you get an injury to
Speaker 1: a key player all of a, sudden you, know it
Speaker 1: might change things there as, Well so be interesting to
Speaker 1: see what happens. There SO i like To chuck to
Speaker 1: get the most points as, well because he's JUST i
Speaker 1: hate him because of the way he plays the, guys
Speaker 1: the guy you want on your, team but you hate
Speaker 1: to play against. Him SO i like that as.
Speaker 2: Well SO i think the Closest i've ever come to
Speaker 2: dine because of the sporting, event And i'm A cubs fan,
Speaker 2: SO i mean there have been, times but uh was last.
Speaker 2: Year if if it had if it had mattered when
Speaker 2: he chased down that, puck When Ku chuck chased down
Speaker 2: that puck and slid and at the last second flipped it,
Speaker 2: Out if that had mattered at, ALL i may have
Speaker 2: died BECAUSE i was just, LIKE i put. IT i
Speaker 2: even put it On. Twitter i'm, LIKE i loathe him
Speaker 2: as a, player And i'm, like and that was probably
Speaker 2: one of the most impressive hockey like Things i've ever.
Speaker 2: SEEN i, mean he chased there was no way he
Speaker 2: could get to. That so you, Know i'm just hoping
Speaker 2: that it continues to be worthless all of his. Efforts
Speaker 2: that's What i'm hoping for this.
Speaker 1: Year and it is frustrating you hate him so much
Speaker 1: because unfortunately is. Good so that is the problem. There
Speaker 1: so before we get out of, HERE i just have
Speaker 1: to ask, you as An oilers, fan obviously you're, confident
Speaker 1: what's your excitement level heading into The Stanley Cup? Finals
Speaker 1: are you? Ready are you?
Speaker 2: PREPARED i Think i'm Think i'm more. Ready i'm definitely
Speaker 2: more ready THAN i was last. Year like last, YEAR
Speaker 2: i felt like it was kind of a, surprise almost
Speaker 2: that we were there and like we didn't really act
Speaker 2: like we've been there, before and you know that whole.
Speaker 2: THING i also had had a surgery WHERE i was
Speaker 2: not allowed to lift my arms AND i tend to
Speaker 2: have a really strong like lift my arms up when they,
Speaker 2: score like you, know and so that was. Difficult so,
Speaker 2: Yes i'm looking forward to having full use of my
Speaker 2: limbs and being able to really just kind of sit
Speaker 2: and enjoy it versus like last, year going what are
Speaker 2: we doing? Here so, Yeah SO i Mean i'm a ten,
Speaker 2: on a ten on excitement with all Question.
Speaker 1: Well try not to pull any shoulders at a joint
Speaker 1: by cheering too. Hard my excitement level is really high,
Speaker 1: too AND i think last Year i've tended to sort
Speaker 1: of after the leaves get eliminated, early my, interest you,
Speaker 1: know it's still, there but it's not quite as. High
Speaker 1: but this, year especially being able to do this, stream
Speaker 1: which has been an absolute blast going all the way
Speaker 1: through and really you, know watching and focusing on every
Speaker 1: single game sort of it's gonna be a fun way
Speaker 1: to end this. Story AND i think this is going
Speaker 1: to Be they've Beenton earliers have supposed to have been
Speaker 1: good for so long with all the draft picks From
Speaker 1: Taylor hall Through Nugent hopkins through the one NAME i
Speaker 1: forget who was the bust The russian. PLAYER i think
Speaker 1: they deserve it and it's going to be fun AND i,
Speaker 1: HOPE i hope that they. Do so thank you for
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