1 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 1: It's time for the b a q a a, the 2 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: b a q a what you say the b a 3 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:16,159 Speaker 1: q a manday to be q a to be a 4 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: qa a. 5 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 2: Hey and Angel, how you doing girl? 6 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 3: Hello, gorgeous pretty in pink. We've got some QC career 7 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 3: questions today, so you know this port to Sandy show. 8 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 3: Let's go. 9 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 2: Okay. 10 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 3: As always, y'all send us your questions. We love to 11 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 3: get them. Brandimission podcast dot com. 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I sure will while I stretch 20 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 3: and get ready. 21 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: This one is we won't call you dipping my toe. 22 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 2: This is from ig Hi. 23 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: Ladies love your podcast that I look forward to your 24 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: show and advice every week. 25 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 2: We love you two. 26 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:15,839 Speaker 1: Girl. 27 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 2: I have a question about using LinkedIn. 28 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: I've been a teacher for a long time and finally 29 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 1: decided to explore a different career path to make more money. 30 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: Good for you, It's time for me to create a 31 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: LinkedIn profile. Do I create two profiles, one for each 32 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: career path or do I design the profile toward the 33 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: field with higher earning power even though all of my 34 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: experience is in the current field. I don't want my 35 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: current boss to see my LinkedIn profile that promotes me 36 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: in a different industry. 37 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 2: Or is that? Okay? 38 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: Thanks for all that you do. You two are fabulous. 39 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: Give me a good Suitay? Who I did a girl 40 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: something like dipping my toe and I had that dipping my. 41 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 2: Toe on LinkedIn. 42 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: Girl, we call you dipping my toe. I love asked 43 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: for that and I anticipated it. Honestly, I have no idea, Mandy, 44 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: this is all you. So what should dip in my toe? 45 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 3: Can we stop saying to it's one of my Okay, 46 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 3: what should dip in that? Do? 47 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: So? 48 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 2: This is really common. 49 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 3: People are really afraid of putting up on their like 50 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,519 Speaker 3: giving their current employer any indication that they may be looking. 51 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 3: And I can understand that, especially if you have like 52 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 3: an immature boss or manager or like like a retaliation 53 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 3: kind of vibe at your place where people get like 54 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 3: you could get punished, You can get demoted if they 55 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 3: think that maybe you're looking elsewhere. But there are things 56 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 3: you can do to protect your privacy and still have 57 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:47,839 Speaker 3: a LinkedIn profile. I don't necessarily think it makes sense 58 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:51,399 Speaker 3: for you to have two profiles, and the reason is one, 59 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 3: you don't have any It doesn't sound like you have 60 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 3: any experience in your new field, so what would go 61 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 3: on that profile? And two your I wouldn't look at 62 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 3: your education right now as a totally separate path. I 63 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 3: think that there's so many transferable skills from being a teacher. 64 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 3: You haven't mentioned what you want to do, which leaves 65 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 3: me a little bit struggling to give you specific advice. 66 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 3: But I'm leaning towards the side of set up your 67 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 3: professional professional profile with your education background, study the job 68 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 3: listings for the roles that you want, and really focus 69 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 3: in on as a teacher, as an educator, any of 70 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 3: those skills that may be you know, transferable into this 71 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 3: new industry, and in the meantime, connect with people you know. 72 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 3: You set up your profile, now you start building your 73 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 3: LinkedIn network. The whole point of LinkedIn beyond just having 74 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 3: like a digital resume and getting reached out to by 75 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 3: recruiters is to actually connect with your peers and colleagues 76 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 3: because you never know who could have a leg up 77 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 3: or a way in to a new opportunity for you. 78 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 3: And as a pivoter, it's essential. Like if you are 79 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 3: wanting to start in a new field, why am I 80 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 3: doing the joker lip? What happened? 81 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 2: Did I drink some water? 82 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 3: Oh? 83 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 2: I just got to look at my own lips. 84 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 3: Look like the why so serious? I fix? 85 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 2: Well happened? 86 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 3: This is bad promo for VENTI. But it's not you 87 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 3: as me. It's not you as me Rihanna anyway. Okay, 88 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,919 Speaker 3: so if you are so, remember the whole point of 89 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 3: LinkedIn is to connect, right, So you don't just want 90 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 3: to have a profile. You want to connect with your 91 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 3: peers and as a career pivoter, entirely essential. I think 92 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 3: too many career pivoters obsess over resumes and LinkedIn when 93 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 3: I really want you to put I mean, those are 94 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 3: just facts. Put up the facts of your work history. 95 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 3: But then focus on how can you start connecting with 96 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 3: other people and letting them know that you're open to work. 97 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 3: And this is the part that you're probably like, wait, 98 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 3: how do I tell them I'm open to work without 99 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 3: my boss seeing? So you can go on LinkedIn and 100 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 3: you can turn on your open to work setting. So 101 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 3: if you go into your profile and you edit it, 102 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 3: you'll see this. When you're setting it up, there is 103 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 3: a toggle like a selection for open to work. Now 104 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 3: you can be open to work privately, which means only 105 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 3: people who are using LinkedIn Recruiter, which is a special 106 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 3: paid version of LinkedIn which recruiters and maybe some hiring 107 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 3: managers but mostly like HR people will be using they 108 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 3: can see or open to work, but the general population 109 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 3: of LinkedIn users, including your boss, won't be able to 110 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 3: see that. So that's one way to protect yourself. Another 111 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 3: thing is you can straight up block whoever you want 112 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 3: to block on LinkedIn, you know, including your boss or colleagues. 113 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 3: If that's you know, what you want to do. I 114 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 3: think that's a relatively safe thing to do, because if 115 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 3: they're teachers, I mean it's not saying that they may 116 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 3: not have a connection to a role for you. But 117 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 3: if you're really worried about retaliation or just cause, like 118 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 3: making an uncomfortable work environment for yourself, you might just 119 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 3: want to go ahead, and you know, keep your private, 120 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 3: keep your profile private to those people. But I definitely 121 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 3: would say, if you're like pivoting into a new industry, 122 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,799 Speaker 3: which it sounds like you are, you need to start 123 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 3: looking for ways to start upskilling looking for networking opportunities. 124 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 3: One of my Mandy money makers. Hope she doesn't my 125 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 3: me shouting her out Warena. I met her. She was 126 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 3: one of my very first She was in the very 127 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 3: first cohort of makers. School teacher in Virginia or is 128 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 3: it Baltimore, shit, I forget now anyway, school teacher just 129 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 3: like classic school teacher, burned out by the pandemic, you know, 130 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 3: just dealing with a really really difficult situation, you know, 131 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 3: in a working environment, really not feeling like she was 132 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 3: on the right path, and really desperately wanted to break 133 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 3: into tech. And she just and this is I feel 134 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 3: like a reality, a realistic timeline. She just a couple 135 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 3: of months ago secured her first job in tech in Warena. Yes, 136 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 3: and Warrena did everything right. You know, she ended up 137 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 3: switching teaching jobs even as she was on her journey 138 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 3: to pivoting in tech because she wanted to get out 139 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 3: of a toxic situation and she ended up getting a 140 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 3: sixteen K raise when she switched. So but even on 141 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 3: that journey, she went to you know, afro Tech. Afro 142 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 3: Tech has great tech focused conferences in all different cities. 143 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 3: She would go to those events. She found I feel 144 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 3: like every other month on LinkedIn Warna would be at 145 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 3: some sort of women in tech networking event and just 146 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 3: continuing to tell people I'm an educator now I really 147 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 3: want to roll in tech and ended up finally breaking 148 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 3: in so that work the sooner you start that connection work, 149 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 3: which is the hard part. LinkedIn is easybabes. Don't get 150 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 3: stuck here, the better, especially if you're pivoting into a 151 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 3: new role. Hopefully that answers your question. I can't think 152 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 3: of anything else I missed, but welcome get on LinkedIn. 153 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, no, I love to psych you out. 154 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: I think like I think to your point, I think 155 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: a lot of people think LinkedIn is just about someone's 156 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: gonna hire me. But no, I can't tell you how 157 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: many people you know dippin' dot that just hit me 158 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: up after they've heard me speak somewhere and they're like, hey, 159 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: just want to stay connected and see what you're up 160 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: to and and so it's just a really good place 161 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: to just kind of stay connected. And from there, you know, 162 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: oftentimes I've gotten offers to speak or to do something 163 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: else just from just like staying connected and checking in 164 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: on people that I'm connected to on LinkedIn. So don't 165 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: just think of that, like to Mandy's point, you know 166 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 1: that it's just a tool for someone to hire you. 167 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: It's also to connect with other people in the space 168 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: because typically people like to ask other people, do you know. 169 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 2: Someone for this role? Or who might be good at this? 170 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 2: Who might you know? 171 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: That's why I get a lot of my really great people, 172 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:47,319 Speaker 1: because if someone is great, I hope they know other 173 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: great people too. And the only one to be known 174 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: and know what people are up to is to stay connected. 175 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: So that's my little one too for you, Dippin'd But yes, teacher, 176 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: you know, here's the thing. I'm gonna speak a little 177 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 1: life until you Dippin' dot. The fact that you're a teacher. 178 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: Just know that means you are. 179 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 2: A freaking superhero. 180 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: Okay, sis, let me tell you because people always ask me, 181 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: what's the secret? Saw a source behind you know, the 182 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: Budgetiesta's success and Literature Academy success and such, and I 183 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: promise you it's from that classroom because you learn to 184 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: be a leader, You learn to be a public speaker, 185 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: you learn to be a negotiator. You learn, you know, 186 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: to connect with your students but also their parents and 187 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: the administration at the same damn time. You learn how 188 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: to take people from a place of no knowledge to 189 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:38,319 Speaker 1: knowledge while also maintaining order. Child, there's nothing you don't learn. 190 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,199 Speaker 1: You're the nurse, You're the janitor, you know, yeah, the mama, Yeah, 191 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: the daddy. So I mean, I just want to encourage 192 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: you to know that I don't care because I taught preschool, 193 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: so I don't care what age that you've taught. If 194 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: you've taught that, there are so many skill sets that 195 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 1: you that you're gonna be able to tap into that 196 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: you might even realize how helpful that is. So you know, 197 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: I just commend you and applaud you and just give 198 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: you that boost of of just affirmation that you're a 199 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: badass because you are a teacher. 200 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,719 Speaker 2: Okay, are you want to take a quick break? 201 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: Man? 202 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 2: Dress for our next question? 203 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 3: Yes, we'll take a quick break. You break me right 204 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 3: back with B, a Q and A. All right, be 205 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 3: a fan we are back with another juicy, juicy career question. 206 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 3: This one's gonna be fun because it talks about negotiating, 207 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 3: which is my I start panting and getting excited. 208 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna read it because this is really 209 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: like Mandy's like Wheelhouse. I'm like, that's like my full 210 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: except like, let me read this, So Bay call me 211 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 1: and coach put me in coach. 212 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 2: All right? 213 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 3: What Nell? They got to say? 214 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: Right? So this is from Nelly from ig Hi Mandy. 215 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: Hope you well girl, I'm here too, but that's okay. 216 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:47,959 Speaker 2: Community will stop. 217 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 3: Everyone's always like hey T and that girl. 218 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have one because you know best that this 219 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:55,959 Speaker 1: is a Mandy question. But either way, hey girl, I'm 220 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: just saying, ha. 221 00:10:58,360 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 2: Question. 222 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: I'm looking to give you very soon for a new 223 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 1: opportunity at my current company, different department. It would be 224 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: a promotion, and I have most of the required skills 225 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: plus finish my masters in twenty twenty one. Go ahead, girl, 226 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: How can I go about getting the absolute max amount 227 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: of money? Since they that have access to my salary history, FYI, 228 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 1: the range is up to one hundred and fifty six 229 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: K and I'm at one twenty three currently they require 230 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: a salary expectation entry. When I applied, I said one 231 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: fifty just in case they negotiated me down. Let me 232 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: know if you have any tips. Loving everything you're doing. 233 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: Thanks Nelly, this is a good question. 234 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 3: What do I want to start saying? Hot in hair? 235 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 3: I don't know why. 236 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,319 Speaker 1: Oh no, let's do it. Get again hot in here. 237 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: So make sure you get all your coins. 238 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 3: Okay, we negotiate and that doesn't work. 239 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 2: That's abound me. Okay, this is a book. 240 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 3: Delete that anyway. Listen and Nelly, first of all, congratulations, 241 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 3: because I feel like this is a really exciting opportunity 242 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 3: and to work at a company where you can apply 243 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 3: to another department, it's awesome. And I feel like when 244 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 3: people think about quitting a role for a new opportunity, 245 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 3: you sometimes think like you have to go outside the company. 246 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 3: But I'm a huge fan of pivoting in place, Like 247 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 3: that's what I call it. When you find a growth 248 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:25,439 Speaker 3: opportunity right where you are, and your mindset is really 249 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 3: important here and this is a thing where you know 250 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 3: what you make and you're kind of letting that kind 251 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:30,199 Speaker 3: of get to. 252 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 2: You a little bit. 253 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 3: I would treat this new department like another company. So 254 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 3: anything that you would do if you were interviewing for 255 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 3: an outside company, I would do, you know, I would 256 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 3: go in there strong and establish, you know, your credentials 257 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 3: and how excited you are for the opportunity. You've already 258 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 3: mentioned a salary, at least it was a sort of 259 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 3: the top of the range. You mentioned one fifty. I 260 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 3: typically would have said, you know, put you know competitive, 261 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 3: or put zero or put one dollar or whatever it 262 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 3: is in the fields that you don't have to necessarily 263 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 3: name a number. But I think that you should go 264 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 3: in there definitely expecting to get paid what the value 265 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 3: of the job is, especially if it is a promotion. 266 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 3: You have most of the skills, like you said, and 267 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:18,319 Speaker 3: you now have a master's degree. So if you are 268 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 3: thinking about the salary that you have now holding you back, 269 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 3: this is a whole different job. You know, it's a 270 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 3: step up, probably more responsibility. What may help you feel 271 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 3: more confident going in and asking for your value is 272 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 3: to find comparable roles at comparable companies. As are the 273 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 3: two comps. You want to have similar company and a 274 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 3: similar role, and see what types of salaries they're offering 275 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 3: as well, and then again think of them as an 276 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 3: outside employer who doesn't necessarily know your current salary, and 277 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 3: negotiate from that space. It's not about what you're earning now, 278 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 3: it's about the market value. Excuse me, It's about the 279 00:13:56,120 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 3: market value of a candidate for this specific role that 280 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,199 Speaker 3: you're applying for. So don't go in there thinking one 281 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 3: twenty three vibes. Think one fifty six. Okay, think hi. 282 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 3: And you also know that you're not probably just making 283 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 3: one twenty three. You also have to factor in your 284 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 3: annual bonus on top of that, you know, so don't 285 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 3: forget that you can still negotiate those types of things 286 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 3: like your annual bonus amount. If they offer you equity 287 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 3: at your company, you should still feel confident negotiating equity 288 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 3: when you get to that point, like you've just applied 289 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 3: now and you put in your salary expectation, which is cool. Now, 290 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 3: the key is everything that's going to happen before the negotiation, 291 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 3: which is you really want to make them excited to 292 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 3: hire you. You already know the company, but what other 293 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 3: strengths do you bring to the table, Like how well 294 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 3: do you understand the challenges the pain points of the 295 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 3: team that you're joining. Do you have any connections on 296 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 3: that team already that you can build on those relationships. 297 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 3: You want them to think of you as a no brainer, 298 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 3: you know, so that by the time you get to 299 00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 3: the negotiation or the offer stage, they want you so 300 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 3: bad that when you come back to them and like, hey, 301 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 3: one forty is cute, but what about one fifty six, 302 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 3: that they're like, Okay, we really want Nelly, you know, 303 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 3: so let's make this happen. That's essential for you at 304 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 3: this point. But before you get there, you got to 305 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 3: get your mindset right around. This is a whole different employer, 306 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 3: even though it's with the same company, whole different team. 307 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 3: You're not in the same role that you have now, 308 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 3: You're not making one twenty three in this new role, 309 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 3: it's a whole different ballgame. 310 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 2: So start to. 311 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 3: Think that way and don't get in your own way. 312 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 2: I like that. 313 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: And I'm just like as someone who employees and oftentimes 314 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: typically will promote promote from within, you know, I like 315 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: most employees employers are going to want to look within 316 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: if someone is good, because it's like, you don't have 317 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 1: to learn the company culture. I don't have to like 318 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: kind of talk talk to you about like and teach 319 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: you about what we do here. So know that, like 320 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: that's a benefit, you know, to be able, you know, 321 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: to looking to work internal. But also sometimes the problem 322 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: is is like the prodigal son, right, the person who 323 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: leaves and comes back gets like better treatment than the 324 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: person who stayed. So don't be afraid either to like 325 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: be like m it seeming like they you know, they 326 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: treat me like old news. 327 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 2: Maybe I need to be made. 328 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: Kniil again, you know, so if you're needing, if you 329 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: wanted to make more, consider that too. But I just 330 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: say this that I have people on my team that 331 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: are just so excellent, Like are you bringing obvious excellence 332 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: to the table, not just you're you're doing well, but 333 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: you're visibly doing well. You know, there are people who 334 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: like even now, there's a woman on one of my 335 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:35,239 Speaker 1: teams that I want to bring on over to the Bunjanista. 336 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: She's on the Literature Academy team. Shout out to you, 337 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: I K Sugarl, we come and get you. She's amazing, 338 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: Like you know, it just started with you know, us 339 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: contracting her to do a few things here and there, 340 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: and I was just blown away about what she delivered. 341 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: Logan was like what we gotta do to get her? 342 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: You know, and she do project management, but she's just excellent. 343 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: She's one of those people that, like, you know it, 344 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: just is going to see the thing all the way through. 345 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: A Keisha works really hard but also smart and strategically. 346 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 1: She's like a great team player, easy to get along with. 347 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 1: She project managed project So her first project management thing 348 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,479 Speaker 1: that I had her do was she helped me with 349 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 1: the Get Go with Money launch. That was a huge 350 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: project to try and trust to someone and it was 351 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: like fifteen of us working on Get Good Money and 352 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,719 Speaker 1: it was getting to be overwhelming for me to manage everyone. 353 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: So I said, I heard through the grape vine because 354 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: we used to have our weekly chats when I was 355 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: the CEO of the Academy. I heard through the grape 356 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: vine that a Kesha was interested in project management and 357 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: just wanted to test it out. And I said, well, 358 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: I have a huge test for you. Try Get Good 359 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: Money on the Budjanista side. And she was like, are 360 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: you sure? I said, one all eleven people on the 361 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: Get gos Money team are hard workers, so the project 362 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: management component is not You don't have to manage and 363 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: motivate them. These are great people. I cherry picked everyone 364 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: on the team, so that was one. You just have 365 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: to keep us all organized. And she was excellent, and 366 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 1: I was like, hold on, I want to Keisha from myself, 367 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: I mean, and Tam had to tussle, like oh a 368 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: good tussle. I won, and so yeah, so I'll be 369 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 1: making her I mean, I don't even if I Kisa listen, 370 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: but yeah, girl, I'll be making your offer. 371 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 2: So because we talked about it already. 372 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:14,479 Speaker 1: But I'm just saying all that to say, when you 373 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: are excellent, a space is always made for you at 374 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 1: the table. So I'm sure you're bringing excellence to the 375 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: table in an obvious way because it'll make people say 376 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:26,919 Speaker 1: we cannot lose you, know, Nelly, So good luck to 377 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 1: you girl. 378 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 3: That's such a perfect point to make. Yeah. I talked 379 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 3: to a coaching client this morning, all the way in Australia, 380 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,880 Speaker 3: shout out to to Nicole. It was ten thirty her time, 381 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 3: ten thirty am my time, and she's going through a 382 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 3: similar thing. She's applying for a senior role at her company, 383 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 3: and I had to remind her how incredibly beneficial it 384 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 3: is that people already know her like she has brand 385 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 3: recognition exactly where she is, and she I feel like 386 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 3: sometimes we take ourselves for granted at work and we 387 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 3: forget like the we don't or no one tells us. 388 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 3: But there's so much value in having a great reputation 389 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:08,679 Speaker 3: colleagues wanting to work with you. That, plus you can 390 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 3: teach skills, you can teach how to do this, how 391 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 3: to do that to a certain extent. Right, So if 392 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 3: you're meeting most of the qualifications not all of them, 393 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 3: and people know and love you and will vouch for you, 394 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 3: and you know endorse you, that is so key, and 395 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 3: that gives you such a huge advantage over external candidates. 396 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 3: So yeah, it's just about building your own confidence, Nelly, 397 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,120 Speaker 3: in that you have a lot going for you already 398 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 3: understanding the inner workings of this company. And even though 399 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 3: I want to know like twelve thousand more things about 400 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 3: the situation, I just want you to go in again 401 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 3: feeling strong. And to Tiffany's point about sometimes if you 402 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 3: are missing out on opportunities and you're not being valued 403 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 3: where you are because that unfortunately it's often the case, 404 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 3: use this as a litmus test to see, Okay, do 405 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 3: I have growth potential at this company? And if this 406 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 3: promotion does not work out or you don't get the 407 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 3: support that you feel like you need well at East, 408 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 3: you explore that option, and you should feel nose bounce 409 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 3: of guilt for looking outside of the company, you know, 410 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 3: for new opportunities. Sometimes they got to really fear losing 411 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 3: you to really respect and value you, which is unfortunate. 412 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 3: But it's up to you to you know, assert your 413 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 3: value in that way. So I hope this works out 414 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 3: for you, But I'm just saying even if it don't, 415 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 3: there's other pads ahead of you as well, and they 416 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 3: don't have to be you know, feeling stuck or stagnant 417 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 3: where you currently are. 418 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: Ye, but keep us updated, Nellie. We'd love to learn 419 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: to hear like what happened? If you have a question 420 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:40,120 Speaker 1: BA fan ask away. 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