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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, this is Ryan Howard and welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Philly Shows.

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Speaker 2: Rubin Tomorrow, Junior Ruben, Jim, Jim Salisbury, Todd's Luggy. Here's

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Speaker 2: to you, Ruben. Cheers. We're recording this on Sunday night,

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Speaker 2: February first, is posting on Monday, February second. We're bringing

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Speaker 2: the end to the weekend Rubin in the best way possible.

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Speaker 2: Little cool of the evening, little little cool of the evening,

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Speaker 2: as Jim likes to call it, although it's not your

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Speaker 2: original saying, Jim, but uh, but we like to call

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Speaker 2: it the cool of the evening.

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Speaker 3: But it's from Ball four.

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Speaker 4: From Ball four, absolutely the great Johnny Sane Johnny Saye

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Speaker 4: from Ball four.

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Speaker 5: Rub In that in that book, by the way, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So in Ball four, like Johnny Sayin is the only

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Speaker 4: guy that Jim Boughton doesn't rip. He just loved Johnny.

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Speaker 4: He didn't rip my dad, and he ripped a lot

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Speaker 4: of people. And I love that book. I have to

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Speaker 4: read it every few years. But Johnny Sayin used to

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Speaker 4: have that saying when you when you have your work

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Speaker 4: day and you get all your work in, you know

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Speaker 4: you're running, you're throwing whatever, and you sit back at

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Speaker 4: the end of the day and reflect on the job

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Speaker 4: well done.

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Speaker 3: That's the cool of the evening And my favorite.

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Speaker 4: One of my favorite lines from Ball four I'm immediately

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Speaker 4: on a tangent is the manager Joe Schultz calls like

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Speaker 4: a team meeting at seven am, and Jim Pagliarni, who

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Speaker 4: ended up playing for the Red Sox in the late sixties, or.

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Speaker 5: Every Italian player playing for the Red Sox at some point.

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Speaker 4: That's right, Frank Malzone, Jim Paglioni, Tony Conigliaro, Yeah, I

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Speaker 4: have his autographed downstairs, Tony Kleo. He spoke at a

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Speaker 4: little league back with when I was a kid. Anyway,

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Speaker 4: So Joe Schultz calls this seven am team meeting, and

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Speaker 4: Jim Pagliaroni turns to Jim Bowten and says, seven am.

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Speaker 5: I'm not I'm not done thrown up by that.

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Speaker 2: Ball. Ball was different back then.

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Speaker 5: It was a little different, right all night, played all day.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that's so funny. Well, we got we

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Speaker 2: wanted to get together and I as you know, Spring

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Speaker 2: training pitchers and catchers February eleventh, first full squad of

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Speaker 2: workout February sixteenth opening day guys as of Monday, February second,

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Speaker 2: when this show is posting fifty two days away opening

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Speaker 2: days on March twenty six next month against the Ranges

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Speaker 2: late next month. That's right, against the Rangers and Fast Boys.

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Speaker 2: It happened fast. It happens fast. So we wanted to

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Speaker 2: get together and maybe talk a little opening day lineup.

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Speaker 2: What's the Phillies lineup going to be? What should it be?

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Speaker 4: It's going to be bobaet hitting clean up.

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Speaker 2: That's in the multiverse, Jim, that's in a different universe somewhere,

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Speaker 2: Boba Schet's hitting cleanup.

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Speaker 4: Ultimate universes. Gabe Kapler once told me, yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 2: You did ask him questions like Jim, I would love

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Speaker 2: to answer the question, but we don't live in an

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Speaker 2: alternate universe. Wasn't it something like that?

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Speaker 1: Like, huh, you guys had a lot of those guys,

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Speaker 1: a lot of those didn't you.

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Speaker 5: Do you remember that, Todd?

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Speaker 2: I do remember. That was very funny.

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Speaker 6: I was like, well, I got an interesting man, that

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Speaker 6: Gabe Kapler.

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Speaker 2: He was very interesting man. So all right, let's go

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Speaker 2: Phillies Opening day lineup. I asked each of you guys

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Speaker 2: to write down. You know what you think it will be,

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Speaker 2: maybe what you want it to be. Who wants to

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Speaker 2: lead it?

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Speaker 5: Who wants to I want Todd to lead it off? Todd?

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Speaker 2: All right, So I'm going to give you my lineup,

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Speaker 2: my opening Now, I'm going to give you what I

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Speaker 2: think it's going to be, and then I'm going to

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Speaker 2: tell you what I think it should be. All Right.

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Speaker 2: My Phillies lineup that I think Rob Thompson will set

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Speaker 2: on opening day if everybody's healthy. Is Trey Turner leading off,

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Speaker 2: Bryce Harper, second, Kyle Schwarber third, Alec Boem fourth, Brandon

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Speaker 2: Real Muto eighth, and Justin Crawford is in the nine hole.

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Speaker 3: That's what you think it will be.

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Speaker 2: That's what I think it will be. Now what I

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Speaker 2: want the Phillies lineup to be a little bit different.

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Speaker 2: Every everybody from the four spot down is the same.

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Speaker 2: Everybody from the I want Bryce Harper leading off, followed

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Speaker 5: That's exactly is that right?

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Speaker 1: I got Harper, Turner Schwarber, Bow, Marsh, Garcia, Stott, Real, Muto, Crawford.

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Speaker 5: That's your that's your line, that's the one you want.

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Speaker 5: That's the one I want to see.

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Speaker 1: Okay, And I'm gonna have a little chat with Rob

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Speaker 3: You should lay down the law with him.

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Speaker 5: Well, if I was gonna be a bench coach, then

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Speaker 5: I probably would have.

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Speaker 2: You know, you're gonna put your arm around Robinson.

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Speaker 5: I got planted by one. Don Mattingly.

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Speaker 2: Hang with them, all right, Jim, you want to give

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Speaker 2: we want these guys and.

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Speaker 5: So what do you want? My my? What do I

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Speaker 2: Or go with what you think it will be?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm I have a toss up on what I

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Speaker 3: With what they had last year.

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Speaker 4: I mean October was their offensive problem, not necessarily the season, Okay,

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Speaker 4: little bit, so I could I could see this happening Turner, Harper, Schwarber, Boom,

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Speaker 4: So you what you're doing there is you're going Harper

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Speaker 4: to trying to get Schwarber behind him to get some

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Speaker 4: talking to Scott Boris, Bryce saw the fewest pitches in

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Speaker 5: Was it?

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Speaker 4: So I mean last year, clearly Schwarber once they put

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Speaker 4: you go a turner Harper with Schwarber behind trying to

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Speaker 5: But what would I'd like to see or what do

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Speaker 5: I think has a chance?

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Speaker 4: It's really dependent on one guy continuing the improvement he

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Speaker 4: that's Bryce and Stott. He was really good in August

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Speaker 5: Okay, do you.

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Speaker 4: Believe what you saw in the in the final two months.

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Speaker 4: If you do, and I think they'll experiment with this

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Speaker 4: in spring training. But if you believe it, you could

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Speaker 4: go Stot Turner, Harper where he likes to be number three.

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Speaker 5: I know, I know, So you go Stot Turner.

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Speaker 4: it would be it would really behoove this team if

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Speaker 4: he was ready to be more consistent and take that

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Speaker 3: Do after that.

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Speaker 4: So and that would allow Harper to stay behind Schwarber,

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Speaker 3: His uh, his happy spots.

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Speaker 4: So because Harper likes to be three, because he likes

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Speaker 3: Get those pitches.

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Speaker 5: Kind of it's interesting stuff.

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Speaker 3: That's where I am.

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Speaker 7: God give you give us your thought process on your

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Speaker 7: on your well my thought process on Harper leading off

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Speaker 7: is I want my best hitters hitting as much during

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Speaker 2: And if you have also if you have Turner and

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Speaker 2: Schwarber hitting behind him, that should take care of the

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Speaker 2: protection problem. If Bryce does feel pressure to switch, if

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Speaker 2: he feels pressure to do something games, he can relax,

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Speaker 2: Not only do I have Trey hitting behind me, but

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Speaker 2: I also have Schwarber hitting behind me, and right behind

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Speaker 2: them is Alec Boem. So I like that idea. I would.

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Speaker 2: And again Bryce has said this very clear. It's like

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Speaker 2: I don't like hitting first. I like hitting her.

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Speaker 5: He didn't one slash ship. I remember Rob put him

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Speaker 3: He looked absolutely miserable.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, this is this is why I preface this

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Speaker 2: You know, he's obviously in the lead hitter a Fernando

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Speaker 2: Testis Junior hit lead off a lot last year, a

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Speaker 2: the time. Every spot you drop in the lineup is

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Speaker 2: about seventeen fewer played appearances over the course of the season.

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Speaker 2: So hypothetically you have moved Harper up from third to first.

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Speaker 2: He hits thirty four more times in twenty twenty six

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Speaker 2: that's why I would love to see it. I don't

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Speaker 2: think Bryce would go for it. I don't think Rob

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Speaker 2: love that idea of having Harper hit first. Turner Schwarber

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Speaker 5: I like it too. It makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 3: But he's got to buy in rights.

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Speaker 5: That's gonna be a hard buy in. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: See, I the reason why I think it can happen,

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Speaker 1: and I know that he has an aversion to doing

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Speaker 1: it and hitting at the top of the lineup. But

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Speaker 1: I think you've made all the great points Todd that

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Speaker 1: you know some of the best hitters in the game,

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Speaker 1: and some of the elite hitters in the game are

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Speaker 1: hitting in the one hole. Now. I mean you saw

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Speaker 1: Mookie Betts do it at some point. You saw show

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Speaker 1: Hey Otani do it. You know you're you're seeing some

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Speaker 1: of the most elite players do it. And the protection piece,

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Speaker 1: I mean, this gives Rob Thompson other than when you

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Speaker 1: flip the lineup from nine to one, you go.

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Speaker 5: Left right all the way down you go left right.

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Speaker 1: With this lineup, Harper left, Turner right, Stober left, Boem right,

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Speaker 1: you flip the lineup, and that is about as complete

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Speaker 2: Tell you what.

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Speaker 4: He's only gonna do it against right hand He only

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Speaker 3: That's true, and he's only gonna do it against right handers.

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Speaker 2: Looking forward to seeing that in spring training and at

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Speaker 3: No, but Ruben brought up to Bobby Abra.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was one of my great when Larry Bowa

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Speaker 2: Of course I didn't tell it.

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Speaker 5: So Larry and I want to hear your stories, Jim.

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Speaker 5: They're they're like gold when you and I use story.

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Speaker 4: We used to butt heads now and then, and uh,

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Speaker 1: respected that I know I did as an executive.

441
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 5: They were always there. They were never afraid and.

442
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 1: Never hid from their stories, and that's what made That's

443
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,919
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why I love these guys so

444
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,639
Speaker 1: much and one of the reasons why they're so professional.

445
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 3: Thanks man, I appreciate you gonna make me cry?

446
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate that. I really do appreciate that.

447
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:53,399
Speaker 3: Nothing like a great Larry bow story.

448
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 2: Though, well, I think Jimmy left out of detail in

449
00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 2: that story, which was wasn't Wheels in the in the

450
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 2: office when you walked in in Anaheim and didn't he

451
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 2: get the hell out of there so fast?

452
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 3: Actually it wasn't Wheels.

453
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:13,120
Speaker 4: It wasn't It was Chris Peter Pascarelli from ESPN.

454
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 3: Was there, and he's kind of a tough, old scrabble dude.

455
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 3: He was shaken.

456
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 5: Larry was that mad at me? He was.

457
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:20,440
Speaker 3: He was shaken.

458
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:25,880
Speaker 2: Now do you remember what you wrote to piss him off?

459
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 5: I do, it's probably too anyway, he uh. It was

460
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 5: the year that they.

461
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 4: Signed Jose Mesa and a few other guys, and they

462
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 4: they weren't playing good and after game one night, Larry said, well,

463
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:43,880
Speaker 4: we're a young team.

464
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,400
Speaker 5: We don't have much playoff experience.

465
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,919
Speaker 4: So I went through the roster and he enumerated all

466
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,879
Speaker 4: the guys that had playoff experience that they signed and

467
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,199
Speaker 4: basically said, well, they do have a playoff And he

468
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 4: wasn't happy that I kind of did that. But uh,

469
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,199
Speaker 4: one thing about Larry, he's like Dallas green Man. He

470
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 4: airs it out memory. It's over the next day. In

471
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,639
Speaker 4: this case, it was two days. But then he dropped

472
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 4: the story of my life.

473
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 5: That's what old baseball people do, man, they don't hold grudges. Yeah, listen,

474
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 5: I mean, I've had my battles with Larry, I've had

475
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,679
Speaker 5: my battles with Charlie. I've had my battles with a

476
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 5: bunch of people, but I love them all the same.

477
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,399
Speaker 6: I don't know how much they care about me, but

478
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 6: I know that I love them and that and that's

479
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 6: and that's important because listen, for people who are in

480
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 6: baseball and in professional sports, there's differences of opinion.

481
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,919
Speaker 1: Whether you love the man and respect the man or not.

482
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 1: There's always differences of opinion.

483
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,360
Speaker 5: But at the end of the day, it's about trying

484
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:37,120
Speaker 5: to strive for.

485
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 1: The one goal to put a ring on your finger

486
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 1: and that's really you know.

487
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 5: That's why I love.

488
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 1: Larry Boa, I love Charlie Manuel, I love Dallas Green,

489
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,160
Speaker 1: all the people that at some point, you know, at

490
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 1: some point you have disagreements with him, but at the

491
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:58,159
Speaker 1: end of the day, you know you're all trying to

492
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 1: work together to make to make the right decis visions

493
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 1: and and and to get to the right space.

494
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 3: You're right.

495
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 4: I absolutely adore Larry ba and I loved Dallas Green,

496
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 4: and I loved sparring with them. And they're just great

497
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 4: people because.

498
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: They're passionate about their jobs. They're passionate, they believe in

499
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 1: what they're in their beliefs, and the passion that that

500
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 1: that comes out sometimes gets a little emotional. I'm an

501
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 1: emotional guy too, and so it's just it's part of

502
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 1: the gig.

503
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 5: Man. If you care about something, things are gonna happen. Yeah.

504
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 5: It's like you guys do because you care about your jobs.

505
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. So it gets uncomfortable at times, but you show

506
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,959
Speaker 2: up the next day and in the in the pros

507
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 2: on both sides.

508
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 3: I remember I remember Vuke Vuke jumped Todd one day.

509
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 5: It was great.

510
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 2: That was an all timer. Can how much can I

511
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:53,479
Speaker 2: tell that story.

512
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 5: I remember Vuke jumping me and he was like my

513
00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 5: mother dot the father, I mean he and I love him.

514
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 5: I will never not love him.

515
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 2: So I wrote a note my first season on the

516
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 2: Beat in two thousand and three about how it was

517
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 2: something that was going on with the team and and uh.

518
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 2: And the next day Vuk was, I mean livid, livid.

519
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 2: And so he gets in the middle of the clubhouse

520
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,679
Speaker 2: because I say I cited an anonymous source, a team source,

521
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 2: and that did not sit well with Vuk. So in

522
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 2: the middle of the clubhouse at Veterans Stadium, all the

523
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 2: players are in there, all you know, all the coaches.

524
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,679
Speaker 2: Remember in the in the at the vet all the

525
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 2: coaches were in the main clubhouse because they didn't have

526
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 2: a coaches room. And so he gets in a lot

527
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 2: of them, name at that, Yeah, name, you're at Fensars.

528
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 5: Name you're at Fensars.

529
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 2: And I was like, I was new on the beat,

530
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 2: relatively new on the beat, so I was kind of

531
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 2: like crapping myself a little.

532
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 5: Bit, like what is going on?

533
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 2: I'm getting and everybody is watching, the whole clubhouse is watching,

534
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 2: and then he goes, you won't you won't name your source.

535
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 2: You want to know why. And he puts his fingers

536
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 2: up like this and he goes, because you're nuts. That's

537
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 2: blate and vague. He said it over and over about

538
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 2: four or five times, and said a couple other things,

539
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 2: and I just sat there and I took it, and

540
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 2: I was like shell shocked, shell shocked. I walk on.

541
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my.

542
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 5: God, is this what this is?

543
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: Like?

544
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 5: I quit, you know.

545
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 2: But then the next day and this is again, this

546
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 2: goes back to how awesome these guys are and I

547
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 2: love VUK. The next day, I'm on the field and

548
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 2: I was walking back into the clubhouse up the ramp

549
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 2: and Book's coming down the other way. I'm like, oh, crap,

550
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 2: here we go. I'm gonna body check me into the wall.

551
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 2: He has the biggest smile on his face, goes, how

552
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 2: are you doing? And that was it. It's like you

553
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 2: just want to let you it's over. I'm good.

554
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 3: That's the best.

555
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 5: Later, man, That's what the pros do, dude. I love

556
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 5: what pros do. And I learned from that and I

557
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 5: learned from them, and that's how it goes.

558
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was Grudges. It's one of my favorite stories

559
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 2: just because I love that guy. So much. He was

560
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 2: so great. And you know, we had Jimmy Rollins on

561
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:14,479
Speaker 2: at the end of the year and he talked about

562
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 2: vuk and how tough he was, and that's that's who

563
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 2: he was. But deep down, that guy maybe the only

564
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 2: Larry Bow and John vukevic A two the guys that

565
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 2: like they bleed Philly's red. Man. Oh my god, they cared.

566
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 5: They cared so much about the team. My dad was

567
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 5: the same way.

568
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 1: My dad seemed like a very mild manner guy, but

569
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: my god, when he got on a you know, when

570
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: he got on the soapbox, man, he can get the

571
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: red ass and and it was it was fun. And hey,

572
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: that's that's people who cared about wearing that pee on

573
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: their on their chest and uh and they did it

574
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: for a long long time and they'll never stop until

575
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: they're in the dirt.

576
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 3: While we're talking about people we admired. He lost college

577
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 3: coach Ruben.

578
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, I appreciate you.

579
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: You mentioned in that, Jim, that was a big one

580
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: for me in many many ways, same sort of deal

581
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: you talk about. Wearing that Stanford red, that Stanford cardinal

582
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: mark mark was such an impact. I might get emotional,

583
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: I might drop a couple of tears. Nine was one

584
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: of the greatest human beings and the most influential people.

585
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 5: I talk about this all the time.

586
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: He changed my life. The decision to go to Stanford

587
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: and to play for him was one of the most

588
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: influential things that happened in my life as a kid

589
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: and as an adult. I try to live out a

590
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: lot of the things that he preached for so so long.

591
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: Respected people, respect of the game, respect of your elders.

592
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: And he will be terribly missed.

593
00:29:58,600 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 5: Was he the reason?

594
00:29:59,360 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: Was he?

595
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 5: The reason? Was he the reason you chose Stanford?

596
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 4: Because I know you had a lot of Eastern teams,

597
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 4: the East Coast teams, right I did?

598
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: He probably was at the end of the day. A

599
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: lot of people don't like you know, don't like to

600
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: be pushed. I wanted to be pushed. I wanted honesty,

601
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: and I wanted somebody.

602
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 5: To do that.

603
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: But the beauty of what Nine did when I became

604
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: a senior and now a captain of the team, he

605
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: understood that we got we had it like he didn't

606
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: have to put the hammer down anymore because he knew

607
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: that the group of players that were the leaders on

608
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: the team would handle it internally. He allowed us to

609
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: be ourselves. He allowed us to play our game, and

610
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: we won the World Series as a reason as a

611
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: result of that. And I think that they wanted back

612
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: to back. He wanted back to back years after the

613
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: year I left in eighty eight as well. But I

614
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: think it was because he had the wherewithal to understand

615
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: that we had it covered and he allowed us to

616
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: be ourselves.

617
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 3: And he passed away this weekend, So that's really sad.

618
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 5: He passed down the great legacy.

619
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: And my buddy and Dave Asker, who is now the coach,

620
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: was his biggest mentor. Dave Asker uh claims and talks

621
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: about how important he is it and he's and Dave

622
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: Asker is continuing that legacy at Stanford with a with

623
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: a terrific program, even though it's no longer in a

624
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: weird Pac ten now it's now it's an ACC team.

625
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: But but he's carrying on all of those all of

626
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: Mark Markus's a lot of his mantras and his ideas

627
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: and thoughts.

628
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 4: Now, what did coach Mark was, Uh, what was his

629
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 4: reaction when Jeffrey Leonard took eighty seconds to do that

630
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 4: home run trot?

631
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 5: Uh, you know, I love like we were shocked when

632
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 5: watching it. And you know, the poor poor Giants had to.

633
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: Play us, and you know in those exhibition games, and

634
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: he would you know, there's a lot of chirping back

635
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: in the pack Pack ten way back then, and I

636
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: was a big chirper and a lot of other people too.

637
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 5: But he would walk up and down the.

638
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: Dugout and go our way, man, our way, our way,

639
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,479
Speaker 1: man like basically telling us, not the rag on people.

640
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 5: Tell the jeff tell the Jeffrey Leonards story one more time.

641
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 5: It kills me. Poor Jeffrey.

642
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Leonard had to the Giants for some reason had

643
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: an agreement with Stanford, and I don't know what the

644
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: combination of what the connection was to.

645
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 5: Play an exhibition game after spring.

646
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: Training and before the season started, to play a one

647
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: game exhibition against the Stanford Cardinal and I happened to

648
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: be a freshman and sophomore when they did it. I

649
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: think they stopped doing it obviously. I think the MLBPA

650
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: said enough, we're not doing this anymore. But jeff Ballard

651
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: was our ace and he's pitching, and he hit and

652
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Leonard hit a ball five hundred thousand feet left

653
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: field out of sunken diamond.

654
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 5: There at Stanford.

655
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: They had to come and play us at our place

656
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: since it was sort of a chilly day too, because

657
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: it doesn't get really really warm until a little bit

658
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: later on in the in.

659
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 5: The latter part of and usually April to May.

660
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 3: Well.

661
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: He hits the ball, the longest ball I think I've

662
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Speaker 1: ever seen hit there, and he took about an.

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Speaker 5: Hour and a half to get around the base back.

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Speaker 5: I mean he didn't even lift up his feet.

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Speaker 1: It was almost like a walk flap down, flapped down,

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Speaker 1: I think, And uh, it was pretty funny. We were

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Speaker 1: looking at the guy going are you crapping me? Are

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Speaker 1: you shitting me?

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Speaker 5: This guy, guy, Philly guy.

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Speaker 1: He was obviously not happy about having to play in

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Speaker 1: the game.

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Speaker 5: But he showed us, Uh, you guys can't compete with us.

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Speaker 5: That's a great story.

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Speaker 2: That's a great story. That's a great story. One other

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Speaker 2: guy I wanted to mention who has been a rough week.

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Speaker 2: Dan McQuaid passed away. And then also Jim we were

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Speaker 2: just on his podcast. Carl Henderson from Carl's Cards and

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Speaker 2: Collectibles and Havertown, great guy, huge Phillies fan, was always

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Speaker 2: great to meet my kids every time we went into

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Speaker 2: the shop. Yeah, like I said, Jim and I were

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Speaker 2: on his podcast in December, went on a show. I

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Speaker 2: had a great time, and he passed away this weekend.

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Speaker 2: So when I send our condolence to him and his family,

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Speaker 2: just it was a spring training every year has a

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Speaker 2: lot of the Phillies come through do card signings general

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Speaker 2: within there. Recently k Long, Dusty Watt and all those

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Speaker 2: guys I think have done signings there. You know, he

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Speaker 2: has a lot of people come in, so really really

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Speaker 2: good person. But anyway, so guys, thanks for chatting to line.

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Speaker 5: Up with me.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna be back this week. We're kind of gearing

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Speaker 2: up for spring training. That we're not kind of geary on.

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Speaker 2: We are gearing up for spring training. February eleventh is

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Speaker 2: Pictures and Catchers. So we're gonna have a couple more

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Speaker 2: episodes this week as camp opens up next week. So

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Speaker 2: until then, some guests coming, Toddy guess yes, sir, yes, sir.

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Speaker 3: Okay, boys, we'll smell you later, Jim.

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