1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: This is assassination week. Oh God, my left arm, pet, 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 1: it hurts so much. Land doesn't feel so good. Ronald 3 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: Wilson Reagan. Six, six, six, six letters in any way, whatever. Um, 4 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: I'm Robert Evans. This is it could happen here, a 5 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:26,119 Speaker 1: podcast about assassinating world leaders. Um, that's why it's called 6 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: it could happen here, and today we're talking about a 7 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 1: time where it did, when John Hinckley Jr shot Ronald 8 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: Wilson Reagan. Um, with me today James Stout, Garrison Davis, 9 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: Um and of course, of course, the ghost of Ronald Reagan, 10 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 1: who was a regular contributor to our to our podcasts, 11 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 1: along with the ghost of the Queen. And Yeah, now 12 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: the ghost of the Queen has joined the team. Very excited. Um. So, obviously, 13 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: John Hinckley shot Reagan. We're gonna get into a lot 14 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: of detail about Mr Hinckley's life. This is something that 15 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 1: is joked about a lot on the Internet, including by me. Um, 16 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: but you know, it's it's it's interesting because there's there's 17 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: two strains of people who will like come out and 18 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: tell you it's not cool to joke about John Hinckley 19 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: JR shooting Ronald Reagan. And one of them is right. 20 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 1: which are the people who are like, well, actually like 21 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: it's pretty messed up story, and he like it's it's 22 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: kind of messed up to to laugh about this family's tragedy, 23 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 1: because it was a family's tragedy, and the other people 24 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: are like, no, it's fucked up because he had the 25 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: hots for Jodie foster and what was actually going on 26 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: there was a lot more complicated um than that. So 27 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about all of the things that happened 28 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: in this shooting, which was messed up and which I 29 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 1: probably shouldn't joke about on twitter, Um, because it's actually 30 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: really bleak Um, and in order to understand both why 31 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: it's sad on a personal level and why it's a 32 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: tragedy for the entire country. Um, yeah, I'm just gonna 33 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: start by talking about John Warnock Hinckley Jr, who was 34 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: born on May nine and more Oklahoma, which is about 35 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: two and a half hours from where I grew up 36 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: in Oklahoma. Unlike me, John's Dad, who was John Warnock 37 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: Kinkley SR, was the chairman and president of Vanderbilt Energy. 38 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: So they had lots of money, a lot of a 39 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: lot of walking around money and vanderbilt money. Yeah, and 40 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: like most people who have good money, they don't stay 41 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: in Oklahoma. Um, they have any owls and the vanderbilt 42 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 1: is big must. I'm certain they did add owls to 43 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: this story. As you picture John's childhood. Um, so their 44 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: richest hell and they get the funk out of Oklahoma 45 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: and moved to Dallas Texas when John was four, which 46 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: is so far weirdly like my life in a lot 47 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 1: of ways, although I was a bit older. Um, maybe 48 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: that's why I didn't get the madness. So that's not why. Normally, 49 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: getting kids away from Oklahoma really really fix his stuff. 50 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: But John was taken. John was taken to the only 51 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:55,119 Speaker 1: place more toxic than small town Oklahoma, a wealthy neighborhood 52 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: in the Dallas Fort Worth Metroplex. He attended highland park 53 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: high school. This school where I would later lose several 54 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 1: speech and debate competitions and when one or two as well. Um, 55 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 1: it's where, if you if you're in the DFW area, 56 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: the rich kids who don't have good drugs go to 57 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 1: highland park, but which rich kids with good drugs go 58 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: to Jesuit because they're private school kids. But Highland Park 59 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 1: is like the rich kids who are gonna like try 60 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: to sell you a shitty ditch weed. Anyway, these are 61 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: this is important Dallas Fort Worth context, and I assume 62 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: it was the same when he was a child. Um, 63 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 1: as far as I've ever found any information, he was 64 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,839 Speaker 1: a pretty your normal young man for that time and place. UH, 65 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: there's no one really seems to notice anything particularly different 66 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: about him. Um, he does reasonably well in school. Uh, 67 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: later in life he's going to express some racist thoughts 68 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: in his diary and in other writings prior to the shooting. 69 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: It doesn't really seem to have ever been a motivating 70 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: factor in his life and to the extent that he 71 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: had regressive beliefs, they seem to have been due to 72 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: the fact that he grew up in a sheltered, rich, 73 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: all white environment. Um, and that's not great for you. Um, shocked. Yeah, 74 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: shocked one in Texas no less one right up in 75 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: the new republic describes his childhood this way. Perhaps it 76 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: is fear of what lies outside that makes the interior 77 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 1: of the family so rigid and subdued, like life in 78 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: a well run bunker. The world of the hinkleys was 79 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: the rootless middle class sun belt culture that nurtures pro 80 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: family values, Christian fundamentalism and occasional mass murderers. Families move frequently, 81 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: but without compromising their parochialism. Everywhere people are White, Christian Republican. 82 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: Joanne explains John's egregious prejudices by saying he had never 83 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: been around people of other races. Somewhere outside there are 84 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: malign elements, minority groups, rock musicians, big government and the 85 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: cynical Gosmus cosmopolites who dominate the media. Mothers in this 86 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 1: culture do not lavish attention on their children, but on 87 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: their furniture. Now that is a coastal liberal elite like 88 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: fucking paragraph. Trying to describe like people who grow up 89 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 1: in this situation as someone else who grew up in 90 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: a similar area. I think most of that is pretty 91 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: silly and, more to the point, it doesn't get to 92 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: why John does this. We're getting to why John does this. 93 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: It's not because he grew up sheltered and a little racist. Um. 94 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: That is not why he shoots the president. Um. There is, however, 95 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: a bit of that that that does strike me as accurate. As, again, 96 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 1: a kid who grew up near here a couple of 97 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: decades later, which is the description of his childhood as 98 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 1: life and a well run bunker, which is kind of 99 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: how it feels to live in these wealthy enclaves in 100 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: the Dallas Fort Worth area. I grew up in plain Oh, 101 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: which is, you know, a couple of steps down the 102 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: economic rung from Highland Park, but not all that far. 103 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 1: and Um yeah, that's that's not a bad description of it. 104 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: It just doesn't generally lead to kids shooting the president. 105 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: More often it leads to them shooting up heroin and 106 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: then dying of heroin overdoses, which was the big problem 107 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: in Plano when I was a kid. That said, it's 108 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: also worth noting that his parents are not, as far 109 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: as I can find, like fifties stereotypes, like his dad's 110 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: not this super masculine I who's like mentally abusive to 111 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: his kid. His his MOM's not like checked out. Neither 112 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 1: of them are against the idea that their son might 113 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 1: have a mental illness and need help for it. In fact, 114 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: it seems like they're kind of more open to the 115 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: idea of reaching out for professional mental health for their 116 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: kids than a lot of parents would have been at 117 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: the same time period in nineteen seventy six, John Drops 118 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: out of Texas tech to go to Hollywood and try 119 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: to make it as a musician again. His parents are 120 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: very supportive of him. One cannot say they didn't try 121 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: to help their son live his dreams. When he gave 122 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: up on music and he wanted to be a writer, 123 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: they paid for him to take a class at Yale. 124 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 1: We'll get to that in a second. It doesn't go well, UM, 125 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: because he's yeah anyway. But John's not being honest with 126 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: his ambitions, nor is he open with his parents about 127 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: his mental health. We now know that John Developed Schizophrenia 128 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: as a young man and had a series of psychotic breaks. 129 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 1: When he would get money to do stuff like this 130 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: Yale writing class, he would take it and buy guns. 131 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: He did go to Yale, but it was mainly to 132 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: Stalk Jodie Foster, who was going to ill at the 133 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: same time. Um, now this is all occurring in the 134 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: late nineteen seventies and early nineteen eighties, which is the 135 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: fucking Dark Ages for treatment of this particular condition and 136 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: a lot of other conditions. There are not a lot 137 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: of good options. Among other things, I just said, he's 138 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: not open with his parents about the fact that his 139 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: mental health is declining. I don't know how he really 140 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: could have been I don't understand. I don't think it's likely. 141 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: It's certainly not the case. This didn't happen to John, 142 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: but I don't think it's very likely for a young 143 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: man in this time and place to be well equipped 144 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: by his education or society to express what is going 145 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: on in his head to his parents. Um, and it's, 146 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: you know, to be fair to his parents, they're not 147 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: equipped with a lot of like, you know, an ability 148 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: to really help him out here, and they're doing the 149 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: things you would want them to do. Again, they repeatedly 150 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: are bringing in professionals to try to help. Um. None 151 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: of it is particularly useful, but it's not for lack 152 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: of trying. Um, like a lot of people who struggle 153 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: with similar mental health issues, John Seeks refuge in fiction. 154 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: Unfortunately for everybody, the movie that he finds himself most 155 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: drawn to is taxi driver, and I think most people 156 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: are aware of this part of it. It's a bad choice. 157 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: That's a really bad choice. Yes, if he had found 158 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: maybe adventure time or something, it would have been a 159 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: lot healthier, but instead taxi driver. If you haven't seen it. 160 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: There's the main characters. His Kid, Travis bickle, played by 161 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: a very young Robert de Hero. It is weird to 162 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: watch him because we're also used to old man Bob 163 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: Denro Um, who is thinking about assassinating like a presidential candidate, 164 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: and then kind of through movie magic, rescues a child prostitute, 165 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: played by Jodie Foster, from a pimp. Um, and Hinckley 166 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 1: thinks the movie is kind of talking to him and 167 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 1: providing him with like information about how he can fix 168 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: his own life. He starts dressing like Travis bickle. He 169 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 1: starts wearing like an army jacket and boots and drinking 170 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: the way that bickle drank. He starts buying guns. He 171 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: gets really into guns for you know. Um, he starts, 172 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 1: you know, in letters that he's writing home to his parents. 173 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: He starts talking about this relationship he has with a 174 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: woman named Lynn, who isn't real but who sounds a 175 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: lot like one of the women that Travis Beckel has 176 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:15,559 Speaker 1: an interest with in the movie. Um. And Yeah, this 177 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: is kind of the start of his obsession with jodie foster. 178 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: And there are people who will like say that he's 179 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: a pedophile because she's thirteen. In the movie. That doesn't 180 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: seem to be the case when he is actually stalking 181 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: her and most obsessed with her. She is eighteen and 182 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 1: he is stalking her in real life and calling her 183 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: on the phone and stuff, which is like bad and 184 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: messed up. But he's not into her because she's young. 185 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 1: In this movie. He's into her because he's he's kind 186 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,839 Speaker 1: of losing his mind and obsessing with her. Right. So, 187 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: while this is all going on kind of in the 188 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: late stages of this, his parents bringing a psychiatrist Um again, 189 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: they're they're willing to fund and support him and seeking 190 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: professional help. The doctor they wound up getting for him. 191 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if he's a bad doctor for the time, 192 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: but he's wrong as Hell. He kind of looks at 193 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: the fact that John has been normal, quote unquote and 194 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: quote unquote, in high school and like at the start 195 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: of his college career, and so he looks at this 196 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: kid who's like seems to be developmentally normal up to 197 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,199 Speaker 1: a certain point and then goes off the rails and says, well, 198 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: it's because you were sheltered and coddled by your rich 199 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: parents and you're just lazy, right. That's that's that's what 200 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,199 Speaker 1: this guy says. So a big part of his like 201 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: advice to mom and dad is you gotta cut him off. 202 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: You can't. Can't keep giving him stuff, can't keep giving 203 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: him money, can't keep taking care of him. Um. So 204 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: while this is happening and this guy is like making 205 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: them make plans for John to be less reliant on 206 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: his parents, John Hankley is getting way more into guns. 207 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: He does a lot of target shooting. He also plays 208 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 1: a lot of Russian roulette with himself alone in his basement, 209 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: which is not not great. Um, in Christmas of nineteen 210 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: seventy nine, he takes a very famous photo of himself 211 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:52,439 Speaker 1: holding a handgun to his temple. Now John is increasingly 212 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: harassing jodie foster in this period. Now, what he's doing 213 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: is not he's not just obsessing with her and it's 214 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: one sided. He is reaching her on the phone. They 215 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: talk a couple of times, yes, they do. She is 216 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:09,079 Speaker 1: always very terse in their calls. Always you can tell 217 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: is kind of frightened, but is very controlled and careful. 218 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: I would describe the way she handles this is very 219 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: responsible and, like you can tell, she's talked with like people. 220 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: I think like her manager or something and been like 221 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: I have been advised, like I don't want you calling it. 222 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: She's very tries to be very clear here. Um, and 223 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: I think handles this as well as a person can 224 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 1: possibly handle, you know, being stalked in this way. I 225 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 1: believe he's able to get her number because, like, it's 226 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 1: the eighties and people just have numbers in the phone book. Um. Again, 227 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: she's kind of taking a break from Hollywood right now 228 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 1: and is going to Yale. Um, his obsession with foster 229 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: veers between these kind of like fantasies of like harming 230 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: her or harming a guy that she's with, or harming 231 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: himself and eventually harming the president of the United States. 232 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: Now he is not want to shoot the president for 233 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: political reasons. He has no kind of particular her anger 234 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: at the president that he wants to work out with 235 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: a gun. He wants number one to impress her and 236 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 1: he wants everyone to know his name and know his 237 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 1: name associated with jodie foster. Right, because, again, he's very ill. Um, 238 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: he starts following Jimmy Carter around. He goes to like 239 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: three different Jimmy Carter rallies in D C and in Ohio. 240 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: There's video of him twenty feet away from Carter at 241 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: one point. He probably has a gun on him. Um, 242 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: like he gets really close to Carter again. One of 243 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 1: the through lines here is that, like presidential security wasn't 244 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: great a night. Yeah, it's not very good. Um, Carter. 245 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 1: John Thinks about shooting Carter. He's probably there and equipped 246 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: to do it, but he just can't get himself into 247 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: the frame of mind to shoot Jimmy Carter, which is 248 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: understandable because it is. It is Jimmy Carter right, like 249 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: he is a hard Amanda want to shoot to death. 250 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: So there's a moment where he like yeah, so he's 251 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: he's kind of bouncing around. After this period where he 252 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: like is he thinks about shooting Carter, but he doesn't. 253 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,319 Speaker 1: He is in communication with this Nazi ideologue and they 254 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: almost have a meeting, but they don't. Um, that's all 255 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: kind of obscure, kind of unclear. And then on October 256 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: six nineteen eighty, he gets arrested at the Nashville airport 257 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: with a briefcase full of handguns and a pair of handcuffs. Now, 258 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:39,959 Speaker 1: hoops hasn't been in this situation. The gun bag and oops, yeah, 259 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: he says he's just trying to sell them and they're like, well, 260 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: you still can't get on a plane with a bunch 261 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: of guns, Johnny. This is yeah, this is pre night eleven. 262 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: So he you have to assist. He's looking weird. He's 263 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: like sweaty and in an army jacket and talking to it, 264 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: and they're like, well, we've literally never searched a single 265 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: person before in the entire life of this airport, but 266 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: let's check this guy. What's this massively heavy brief case? 267 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: There's a fun there's a dude just walking in with 268 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: a Stinger and they're like no, no, let that guy on, 269 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: but we gotta check John Ainkley Um. So he flies 270 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: to Dallas, where he buys more handguns and some explosive 271 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: twenty two caliber bullets. We will talk about that in 272 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: a little bit, but they are explosive bullets, twenty two 273 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: caliber bullets. There are bullets that are to explode on impact. 274 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: Is he like reading soldier of Votune magazine at this point? 275 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: Because this is nobody. He's like a gun culture. So 276 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: I haven't we have to assume. I think his family's 277 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: kind of casually conservative. He is kind of maybe as 278 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: is embodied by the Nazi thing, probably dabbling in some 279 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: areas again. I think that's that's certainly not good for him. 280 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: It's also, I don't think politics. I haven't seen any 281 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: real evidence that politics is a motivating factor. And what 282 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: this guy is doing, Um, he does get explosive bullets. 283 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: Probably helps that he has explosive bullets in terms of 284 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: making this less dangerous. These are not good explosive bullets. 285 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: They are meant to be fired out of a larger 286 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: weapon than he fires them out of, but they are 287 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: supposed to. Basically, the idea is this. These are twenty 288 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: two caliber round, so the idea is that this little 289 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: explosive charge in them makes them more like a thirty eight. 290 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: So we're not talking about like military grade weaponry or 291 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: anything here. Why is he doing? You may not know, 292 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: of course, but like if he's a massive gun dog, 293 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: he's not a massive no, gun culture is different than right. 294 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: He's buying a bunch of handguns. He's shooting a lot. 295 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: I don't know that it would be. He's not particularly 296 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: good or knowledgeable with right. Okay, yeah, yeah, but gun 297 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: cultures very it's harder to get information about guns right. 298 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: Maybe the day, he would have gotten a lot more 299 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: into you like just flipping through magazines exactly. You can't 300 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: look something up online. Yeah, yeah, he's twenty two, good 301 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: for assassination, just exactly. And this is also like this 302 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: is what he can afford. He gets kind of he's 303 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: lost his better guns right their property of the state, 304 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: so he winds up with this twenty two and he 305 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: gets these explosive bullets to try to make it give 306 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: more of a kick. Obviously, the thing that's going on 307 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: in the background here is that Jimmy Carter and Ronald 308 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: Reagan having a presidential election which Reagan wins. Um, we'll 309 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: talk a little bit about kind of that a bit later, 310 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: but that happens. Reagan is the president elect. Um, he 311 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: flies home, Hinckley flies home. Things continue to deteriorate in 312 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: his own life. He's continue to like travel around. John 313 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: Lennon is assassinated and he kind of goes a little 314 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: bit nuts over that because he loves John Lennon. Also 315 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: might kind of think that he is John Lennon. So 316 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: that does not help his mental state. He visits the 317 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: the the what is it? The shrine to him in 318 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: New York at one point and kind of. When he 319 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: gets back in March of nine, his dad cuts him 320 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: off basically like says, you know, you've got your here's 321 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 1: your car, here's two hundred dollars. We can't take air 322 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: of you anymore. John, and I think this is his 323 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: dad basically trying to take that psychiatrist advice of like it. 324 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: We need to have tough love. He has to be 325 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: forced to kind of get his ship together. But John 326 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:11,640 Speaker 1: Hinckley is not really capable of getting his ship together 327 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: because he is profoundly ill. So he uses that money 328 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 1: to pay for hotel rooms in Denver where he sits 329 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: alone watching television with a gun. Um. Not Great Treatment 330 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: for schizophrenia. Reagan wins the election, uh, in what was 331 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 1: a sweep electorally but fairly tight in terms of popular vote. 332 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: He's got like fifty point five percent of the popular vote, 333 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 1: something like that. It's pretty close. And soon after taking 334 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 1: office he gets hammered on a bunch of stuff. Right, 335 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: the economy is not great, he's this, he's he's back. 336 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: He's like going for a bunch of far right policies 337 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: to unwind the new deal, a lot of which are 338 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: unpopular and some of which, he said he wasn't gonna 339 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:49,919 Speaker 1: do and debates with Carter. He's not. He doesn't have 340 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: the kind of traditional grace period most presidents get where 341 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: they're broadly popular. Right, Um, it's not looking great for 342 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 1: kind of the midterms, is what I'm getting at Um. 343 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: So Reagan's a is struggling to right the ship, trying 344 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 1: to figure out like, how do we how do we 345 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 1: fix all this? Reagan or Hinckley while this is going 346 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 1: and gets convinced that like shooting the president is a 347 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: pretty good idea. He doesn't have a lot of other options. 348 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: He's kind of like running out of money and he's 349 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: able to get a little bit more from his mom, 350 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: but he's he's increasingly unhinged and alone and desperate. On 351 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: March twenty nine, he checks into a hotel in D 352 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: C where he finds in a local paper the president's schedule. 353 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 1: He loads his twenty two caliber revolver, he writes a 354 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 1: letter to Jodie foster and he travels to the Hilton 355 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: where the president is set to deliver speech to union workers. 356 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: Here is how John's letter to uh to her ends. Quote. 357 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 1: I will admit to you that the reason I'm going 358 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: ahead with his attempt now is because I just cannot 359 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: wait any longer to impress you. I've got to do 360 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: something now to make you understand in no uncertain terms 361 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: that I am doing all of this for your sake. 362 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 1: By sacrificing my freedom and possibly my life, I hope 363 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: to change your mind about me. This letter is being 364 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: written only an hour before I leave for the Hilton Hotel. Jody, 365 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: I'm asking you to please look into your heart and 366 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: at least give me the chance, with this historical deed, 367 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: to gain your respect and love. I love you forever, 368 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:15,640 Speaker 1: John Hankley. It's not great. Yeah, yeah, not a great 369 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:19,199 Speaker 1: letter to get, not a great letter to send. was 370 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: was this actually like delivered in the mail? I believe so. Yeah, 371 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: I think this she ends up getting this. I mean, 372 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,360 Speaker 1: like she has to come to court and stuff when 373 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: he goes on trial. It's like something he kind of 374 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: demands and I think she does to just make it 375 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: easier for things to move along. Um, obviously she. She 376 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: does nothing wrong at any point in this process. She's 377 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: just living her life and this guy is out of 378 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: his out of out of his head and has easy 379 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: access to guns, Um, which is a problem at PM 380 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: on March nine. One John Hinckley JR opens fire at 381 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: the president's entourage from just a few feet away. Reagan 382 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 1: had been speaking to a bunch of union guys at 383 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,919 Speaker 1: this this thing at the Hilton Anyway, and they're kind 384 00:19:59,920 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 1: of like walking out into towards the Lima when this happens. 385 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: John's first shot hits James Brady, the press secretary and 386 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 1: former PR man for Philish loafly in his head. Uh. 387 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: He then wounds a police officer and a secret service agent. 388 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 1: He actually does not hit probably doesn't. I don't. I 389 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 1: think there's still a little bit of debate because it's 390 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: like ballistics are kind of fucky. But he probably doesn't 391 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 1: directly hit Reagan. Instead around fragments and bounces off the 392 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 1: armored limousine, penetrating the president's lung. None of the explosive 393 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: bullets explode because they're not the right bullets for the gun. 394 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 1: The barrel is too short, Um, so it doesn't. It 395 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 1: might even do less damage than it would have done, 396 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: although maybe they fragment because they're these weird explosive bullets 397 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: and that's why Reagan gets hurt. Anyway. Hard to say. 398 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: Nobody really understands ballistics. That all that well. Today there's 399 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: a lot of debate over how all this stuff works. 400 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,239 Speaker 1: Reagan had been in office for sixty nine days and 401 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: no real plan existed for what to do if the 402 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: president gets shot and is alive but is unable to 403 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 1: do the job of the president. Um, fucking George H 404 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: W Bush is in the air a bunch of this 405 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 1: time and like people can't reach him, Um, and they're 406 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 1: like but he's they're saying you need to come back 407 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 1: to watching now. Um. So kind of the people running 408 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: the country for a few hours is Al Hague, the 409 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 1: Secretary of state, and like a room full of guys 410 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: in the cabinet who were all disagreeing about everything and 411 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: none of whom are constitutionally supposed to be running the country. Um, 412 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: it's a real big problem. Like the fucking like the 413 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: press ask at one point, because hey goes out there triping, 414 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 1: like hey, the president's in surgery, and they're like, well, who's? 415 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: WHO's in charge, like with the nukes and stuff? WHO's 416 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: running the country? And he's like we got a whole 417 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 1: room for the guys. Don't worry, it's all fine, and 418 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: they're like is that with the law? Sense because I 419 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: don't think that's how it's supposed to go. Um, it's 420 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: it's not great. It's actually a real problem. And they 421 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 1: do they make a bunch of changes after this to 422 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: make sure that, like we never don't know who the 423 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: president is when, if this kind of thing happens, at 424 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: least Um. But on a political level this is fucking 425 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: Yang Busters for the Reagan administration, and I'm gonna quote 426 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 1: from a write up an Lpie here. The assassination attempt 427 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: silenced criticism of his administration at a critical point early 428 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: in his term. Explains H W brand's, author of the 429 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: biography Reagan the life in an email the good humor 430 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 1: he exhibited during his recovery. He spent only twelve days 431 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: in the hospital, convinced many skeptics, some of some of 432 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: his followers believe that God had forgiven him to allow 433 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: him to finish his work, and it is possible that 434 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: Reagan thought so too. On the thirtieth anniversary of the 435 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: assassination attempt, journalist Del Wynton Wilbur published raw hide down, 436 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: a thorough investigation full of revelations of what happened that day. 437 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: The book is written in the style of true crime 438 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: and its title is a reference to the Secret Service 439 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 1: Code name given to Reagan, raw hide. Joe Biden's code 440 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 1: name is Celtic and jnald trump's was mogul. It reaches 441 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 1: two important conclusions. Firstly, it argues that Reagan became the 442 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 1: first president since Eisenhower to serve two terms because of 443 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 1: the way he and his team handled the assassination attempt. 444 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: And secondly, the White House did not reveal the seriousness 445 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,360 Speaker 1: of his injuries. He walks into the hospital and then 446 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: stops breathing and collapses Um like. He walks in specifically 447 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,360 Speaker 1: because he wants to be seen walking in, and it's 448 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: like they don't know that he's been shot at first. 449 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 1: It's not like bleeding a bunch outside, he's bleeding internally. 450 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: So it's this is like legitimately the best case scenario. 451 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: It would have been hard to figure out what had 452 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: happened to him, kind of because you can't immediately tell 453 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: that he's bleeding. A lot of people have been shot 454 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,439 Speaker 1: and so everyone just kind of assumes he's having a 455 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: heart attack, which is why they take him to the hospital. 456 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: He thinks, actually, I think he believes that his secret 457 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: service agent broke his ribs getting him into the Limo. Um, 458 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: but if they've taken him to the White House first, 459 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: he would have fucking died. He loses half of his 460 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: blood in the surgery, like it's that's which is like 461 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: bad if you lose half your blood. That's not like 462 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,199 Speaker 1: a great injury. Um, just it's his lung collapsing. Is 463 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 1: that was happening, like yeah, they've got him on oxygen 464 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: and stuff. He's like barely able to joke with the doctors, 465 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: which he does, which is one of the things that 466 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 1: like goes viral from this and make some so popular, 467 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 1: because he's he's Yucking it up old Ronnie um his yeah, 468 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,360 Speaker 1: this is believed. There's a number of massive long term 469 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: fucking consequences. One of them is that this is why 470 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: h Nancy brings in Joan quickly the astrologer, like this 471 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: is when she you can refer back to behind the 472 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 1: bastards two part or on the Reagan astrologer. But this 473 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: is why the Reagan astrologer becomes like they start they 474 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: stopped having him do events. When the astrologer says it's 475 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,919 Speaker 1: a bad day for it and ship because, like Nancy, 476 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 1: this kind of breaks her and it also kind of 477 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: breaks Ronald he's not the same man after getting shot, which, 478 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: to be fair, he is seventy when this happens, so 479 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 1: getting shot in the lung at seventy, most people are 480 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: gonna come back all the way. This is also probably 481 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: doesn't help. The Alzheimer's May accelerate the timetable there. But 482 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,919 Speaker 1: on a political level this goes fucking great for the 483 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 1: Republicans and it allows them to do a lot of 484 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 1: really fucked up ship, and I'M gonna quote from CNN here. Today, 485 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: Reagan is the only modern president who receives high marks 486 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: from Republicans, Democrats and independence alike. A look at the 487 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: polls can quantify the roots of this enduring goodwill. Despite 488 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: elect an electoral landslide over Jimmy Carter with a forty 489 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: four state win in nineteen eighty, Reagan won a narrow 490 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:15,120 Speaker 1: popular margin, a fifty point seven percent. Moreover, gallops, valuable 491 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: presidential poll tracker, shows that Reagan's approvable ratings were significantly 492 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 1: split along partisan lines after his nineteen eighty one inauguration, 493 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: with seventy four percent Republican support and fifty three percent 494 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 1: from independence, but thirty eight percent from Democrats. When Reagan 495 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: came back to the capital on April to push for 496 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 1: his economic recovery act, he was greeted by a hero's welcome. 497 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 1: In a three minute Standing Ovation, he leveraged his political 498 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: capital to help publish pass his agenda. Before the end 499 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 1: of the summer, the Reagan tax cuts had passed the 500 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: House of Representatives, led by Democratic speaker tip O'Neil, and 501 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,679 Speaker 1: the Republican controlled Senate, reducing the top tax rates from 502 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: a confiscatory seventy and unleashing an entrepreneurial era. That's how 503 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: CNN categorizes that guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Um, and in 504 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four, again winstine states and the popular vote. 505 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: It is very clear kind of how this happens and 506 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,159 Speaker 1: what this allows Reaga to do. It's fascinating because you 507 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 1: have in Britain, like less than a year later. All right, 508 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: we have Margaret Thatcher right like, who is similarly not 509 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: doing very well, until she gets to go to war 510 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: for two tiny little cold islands in the Atlantic and 511 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: no one knew about before, and then they proceed to 512 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:32,640 Speaker 1: just ravage like the post World War Two social democracy consense. 513 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: Just suck it up and fucking here we are now here. 514 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: We are two and people are going to die of 515 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: cold in Britain this winter. I will say in terms 516 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: of just to be fair, one of the things people 517 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: will say is a positive from this is that this 518 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: is one of the things that helps push the arms 519 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 1: treaty deals with the Soviet at union, because Reagan is 520 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,120 Speaker 1: like God saved me for a reason, and maybe it's 521 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: to make nuclear war less likely. That's a bigger topic 522 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,159 Speaker 1: than today. It's a thing that he will claim and 523 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: generally speaking, the fact that the Soviet Union and Reagan 524 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: started talking about nukes during this period is not a 525 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 1: bad thing. Um, always good to be talking about nukes, Um. 526 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: But yeah, what I will say, if we're looking at 527 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: kind of the only clearly good thing that came out 528 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: of the shooting, it's the fact that the justice system 529 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: actually worked in this one instance pretty much exactly how 530 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: you would want it to. Hinckley was clearly not mentally 531 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,639 Speaker 1: competent to understand his actions, what he had done or 532 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: to stand trial, and he was declared not guilty by 533 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: reason of insanity. His father, tearful took blame for the 534 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: shooting for cutting his son off from resources. The psychiatrist 535 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,439 Speaker 1: who had botched his diagnosis, admitted his mistakes on the 536 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 1: stand and expressed regret. Hinckley was sent to a psychiatric 537 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: facility where he received decades of treatment. The treatment seems 538 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: to have really helped him. On December seventeen, two thousand three, 539 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: a federal judge ruled that Hinkley was entitled to unsupervised 540 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: visits with his parents. This is five years before his 541 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: dad died, so they get time together again. In two 542 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,400 Speaker 1: thousand seven he has a request for unsupervised visits as 543 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: long as one month. This is denied, not because of 544 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: any problems but because of issues the hospital had not 545 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 1: taken to prepare for the transition. In July of two 546 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: thousands sixteen, Judge Paul Friedman concluded that Hinckley did not 547 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 1: pose a threat to himself or others and ordered him 548 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: released Um. The conditions initially limited him to his residence, 549 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 1: residence where he lived with his mother in parts of 550 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: southern California. He was obviously forbidden from contact with pastor 551 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,479 Speaker 1: president presidents of the United States or any of their 552 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: family members or graves. From banning. He was banned from 553 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: contact with Jodie foster or other entertainers he was prohibited 554 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: from watching violent movies, television or online media. In two 555 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: thousand eighteen, a restriction confining him to his mother's house ended. Uh, 556 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: he can now live anywhere he once with doctor's approval. Uh. 557 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: And on September one, John Hinckley Jr, age sixty six, 558 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 1: was approved for unconditional release by district judge Paul Friedman. 559 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: Friedman noted that, quote, very few patients at St Elizabeth's 560 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 1: Hospital have been studied more thoroughly than John Hinckley. And again, 561 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: that's pretty much how it ought to work, right. Like, yeah, 562 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: he shoots the president, but clearly because he's sick and 563 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: you don't just punish sick people when they don't know 564 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: what they've done. So he gets treated for decades until 565 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: he's better. And now, yes, it's really good. Quite surprising. 566 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 1: It is very surprising, and part of why it's surprising 567 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: is that one of the other negative lingering effects of 568 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,959 Speaker 1: John Hinckley attempting to shoot the president is that a 569 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: lot of changes are made in many states to make 570 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: it much less likely that people benefit from the same 571 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: understanding judicial system that John Hinckley Jr does. Okay, I'm 572 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: gonna quote now from a write up from famous trials 573 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: DOT COM, which has a pretty good, pretty good bit 574 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 1: on just kind of everything that happened here. A fair, 575 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: Pretty Fair summary, I think. Within a month of the 576 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: Hinckley verdict, the House and Senate we're holding hearings on 577 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: the insanity defense. A measure proposed by Senator Arlen Specter 578 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 1: shifted the burden of proof of insanity to the defense. 579 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: President Reagan expressed his support for the measure with the 580 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 1: comment if you start thinking about even a lot of 581 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: your friends, you would have to say, Gee, if I 582 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 1: had to prove they were saying, I would have a 583 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: hard job. All Right, tells us more about you that. 584 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: Maybe that says a lot about your administration, who are, 585 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: by the way, at this point, deep in like Iran, Contra, Shit, 586 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: selling cocaine and in anyway. We were talking about all 587 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 1: of this on an upcoming episode of bastards, but like yeah, 588 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 1: they're all monsters. Joining con Congress and shifting the burden 589 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: to proof were a number of states. Within three years 590 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: after the Hinckley verdict, two thirds of the states placed 591 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: the burden on the defense to prove insanity, while eight 592 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: states adopted a separate verdict of guilty but mentally ill. 593 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 1: In one state, Utah, abolished the defense altogether, always delivering. 594 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 1: So the system works really well for John Hinckley Jr. 595 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 1: Um Ethically, I think the Justice Department of the United 596 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 1: States this is maybe one of it. Probably in history 597 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: you will not find many cases of a guy shooting 598 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: an active world leader and being treated ethically by the 599 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: justice system like he's handled very reasonably, I think. Um, 600 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 1: and never again, never and again will that happen for anybody, 601 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: even if they don't shoot the president. So Um, obviously 602 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 1: I wish John Hinckley jr well. I I hope his 603 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 1: musical career goes fine. Um, I fuck Ronald Reagan. Um, 604 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: hate him and UH yeah, it's probably made the world 605 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: a lot worse that John Hinckley Jr tried to shoot 606 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan, because it empowered Ronald Reagan. One of the 607 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 1: lessons here, if we're talking about assassinations, is that, um, 608 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 1: it's a real wild cards trying to assassinate a president 609 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: or any other politician and as a general rule, people 610 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 1: are kind of programmed to think that somebody's cool if 611 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 1: they get shot and don't die, like it's one of 612 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 1: the cooler things that like look it just objectively. It's 613 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 1: what do you do if you want to show John 614 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 1: Mcclain as hard as hell, even get like hit in 615 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: the arm or something and just like work through it? Right, 616 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 1: like what do people people talk about like Teddy Roosevelt 617 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: when he was shot and how bad it was that 618 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 1: he gave it bad asset was that he gave a speech, 619 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: or how cool it is that fucking Andrew Jackson, who 620 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 1: they don't say any of these things about, is JFK 621 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: that's right. Is Not cool, not col not over the 622 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: roof of a church. Yeah, lame as hell, Um, but, 623 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: like you know, this is the look. If, if you 624 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,479 Speaker 1: want John F Kennedy to stop being the president and 625 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 1: you can successfully kill him, you will get what you want. 626 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: He's no longer the president. Um, if you were to 627 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 1: have a political motivation, and again, Hinkley doesn't. Hinkley, it's 628 00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: not thinking about the top marginal acts right when he 629 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 1: does this. Um. But if you if that had been 630 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: his goal, this is the opposite of that, right, because 631 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: it just makes Reagan look cool and helps him, makes 632 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,719 Speaker 1: everybody feel like an asshole for fighting him for a while. So, 633 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 1: like he gets a bunch of ship through and also 634 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 1: a bunch of laws get worse for mentally ill people 635 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: and uh in. On the whole, bad, bad, bad assassination. Zero, zero. Yeah, 636 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: I have to say, based on based on the evidence 637 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: we have here, shooting Ronald Reagan not a good idea. 638 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: They didn't do it. Now let the whole team down 639 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: and we should just plug his album. It's out on 640 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 1: as Pesto. We should plug his out because, again, he's 641 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 1: not responsible for this. Yeah, you know, I think he's 642 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 1: if he's happy speaking songs, I'm happy for him. Yes, yes, 643 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: I wish you the best of luck, John. You can 644 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 1: buy his t shirts. He's got t shirts that he's 645 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: trying to move, which I don't know. I don't think 646 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: it's bad to encourage his music career, like seriously, like 647 00:33:58,360 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 1: we're all doing it with a little bit of a smile. 648 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 1: But what's the harm? If John Hickley Jr thinks that 649 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 1: people like his music, that doesn't hurt anybody. And maybe 650 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,360 Speaker 1: if people can see that, like if you treat people 651 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: with mental illnesses like people who are ill, not sucking 652 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: terrible people, then they can get to a place where 653 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 1: they can sing songs on Youtube. And yes, that's good. 654 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,240 Speaker 1: That's an example again of the only time it worked 655 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: the way it's. It's but it did work out pretty 656 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:30,320 Speaker 1: well in this case. Yeah, UM, so I don't know. Yeah, 657 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 1: take whatever lessons you want to out of this. Many, 658 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,319 Speaker 1: many possible things can be a lot, a lot of 659 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,240 Speaker 1: different lessons we can take out of this. Don't Hire 660 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 1: Our Hague, but I feel like that's that's a generally 661 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,320 Speaker 1: good lesson. Yeah, there's a Phoenix Punch Bang called Jody 662 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,760 Speaker 1: Foster's army, I've just read as well. Who makes songs 663 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:58,360 Speaker 1: about him. Great by their records too. Fine. Yes, no 664 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 1: strong opinions on that either way. Anyone else got anything 665 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 1: to say about John Hinckley JR or the assassination attempt 666 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:10,239 Speaker 1: on Ronnie Raw Hide Reagan? Also, we're talking about the 667 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,239 Speaker 1: I R a a lot this week. Probably not for 668 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 1: nothing that Joe Biden's code name is Celtic. M MMMM, 669 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: and the Queen Dies now makes you think you're telling 670 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 1: me it's a coincidence. I still suspects trust personally. I 671 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 1: think that maybe Joe Biden shook hands with Liz trust and, 672 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:34,920 Speaker 1: like like, transferred a nerve poison onto her hand and 673 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 1: then she touched the Queen, definitely possible. She wanted Joe 674 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 1: Sipping againness on the plane back, knowing that he's done 675 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 1: his job and his Batta clava and he speakably one anyway. 676 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 1: Hopefully nobody who has stuff going on listens to that 677 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 1: and takes the wrong message out of it. Yeah, kind 678 00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 1: to one another anyway. 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