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Speaker 1: is as love Fantasy Best Friends Forever here on the
Speaker 1: Fantasy Sports Radio Network alongside Frankie Standfall, Michael Florio, I
Speaker 1: am Greg Sausman. Today's a big day, frank large day. Indeed,
Speaker 1: very momentous occasion. Were the reason why it is so lamentous.
Speaker 1: Mike And as everybody knows about Mike, he's a pretty
Speaker 1: terrible tight and drafter and we're gonna help him out.
Speaker 1: And that's the moment, this occasion. Yeah, that's exactly you know,
Speaker 1: we tweeted out from the Fantasy BFF account today we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about one of Mike Flora's favorite things in
Speaker 1: the world. Those are tight end. He loves him, he
Speaker 1: loves tight loves the tight end. The thing is, yeah,
Speaker 1: Mike Flora has never been able to pick the right
Speaker 1: tight end. Never Today, we will help him. We will
Speaker 1: we will do just that, my Flora, are you. I'm good.
Speaker 1: I'm good. Uh, I'm hoping I'm better at drafting tight
Speaker 1: ends and you guys give me credit for but I
Speaker 1: guess we'll see. Also also, twenties seven years ago today. Yeah,
Speaker 1: twenty seven years ago today, my Flora was born. I
Speaker 1: read that. Shout out mikey clapping for yourself on your birthday.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Fun fact, twenty seven years ago today, I
Speaker 1: was like eight minutes old right now. So there you go. Great.
Speaker 1: By the way, it's your Yankee Championship. Speaking the Yankees,
Speaker 1: it looks like they just acquired Jay have for what
Speaker 1: uh finalist and the Yankees for two s. He's like,
Speaker 1: Brandon Jury is one of the pieces. You know, the
Speaker 1: other pieces were Brandon Jury. He was everyone was hyped
Speaker 1: for him. He came, he got hurt, and then that
Speaker 1: was it. Yeah. Anyway, so okay, late us not trade
Speaker 1: when it happens. Uh yeah, Mike, how are you? How
Speaker 1: are you in on this second to last day and
Speaker 1: the BFF sever I mean, I'm you guys are making
Speaker 1: me a little sad. I'm gonna miss you guys tremendously,
Speaker 1: but but I'm I'm excited for today. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: a really fun day. I think so too. I think
Speaker 1: so too. On the show, Today's tight End's coming up
Speaker 1: with five pm Eastern Time, live on YouTube only is
Speaker 1: the return of the BFF Power Hour with Friends. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a great time. It started just the
Speaker 1: three of us. We opened it up. When why did
Speaker 1: we do the last one? What was the reason that
Speaker 1: we did it? Because we were thirsty? I think it
Speaker 1: was tow Wars weekend? Is that what it was? No,
Speaker 1: I don't think so, because I didn't go. I didn't
Speaker 1: Scott was here. Yeah, because I'm pretty sure you guys
Speaker 1: were all going. It seems likely I would do a
Speaker 1: power Hour here rather than they did. It was to
Speaker 1: Wars weekend, or it was March Madness, one of the
Speaker 1: same thing. Maybe it was. Maybe it was coming all right,
Speaker 1: Well it's been a while then, it's been since March.
Speaker 1: We'll make the return of The Power Hour with friends.
Speaker 1: Mike Florio, Frank Staffele and I and and a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of other people are gonna be here to say
Speaker 1: goodbye to Mike um in a Power Hour. He will
Speaker 1: be on the show tomorrow for the final time as
Speaker 1: a regular host. Um. It'll be good. It'll be good.
Speaker 1: So we'll trying to get this as most as normal
Speaker 1: a show as possible tomorrow. We have a lot of
Speaker 1: good stuff plan including finding out you don't know the
Speaker 1: Jeff Floria, but finding out who you who your pixar
Speaker 1: for this year, like who your Blake Snell is for
Speaker 1: football and so on and so forth. Um, we'll go
Speaker 1: through your I know you don't have rankings done yet,
Speaker 1: but like, I want to know who your guys are
Speaker 1: this year. So we're gonna do that tomorrow on the show. Okay, cool, Sure,
Speaker 1: I don't think I have my blakes now yet, but
Speaker 1: I do have a lot of guys that I like, Okay,
Speaker 1: so I'd like talking about them tomorrow, Okay. As well
Speaker 1: as other things, Florio flag planting episode right and and
Speaker 1: Floria fla Floria Flarewell as well flare Well whoa the
Speaker 1: Flarewell I just saw the gift. You guys used a
Speaker 1: great job. I did not use it. It was JP.
Speaker 1: I haven't been able to do that in four months.
Speaker 1: Do you think you ever salt pepper shake again? That
Speaker 1: was in April of were really excited about and you
Speaker 1: were really I was fully in and I was duped.
Speaker 1: Couldn't have been more in um And that's why we
Speaker 1: got used on the mic. We got he's my favorite day.
Speaker 1: Here we got I want to present it to you.
Speaker 1: Start to hold on. I want to the camera first.
Speaker 1: Here we go, tell the camera made Mike Floria for
Speaker 1: his birthday, your BFFs. I've gotten Florio a salt and
Speaker 1: paper shaker shirt. That's amazing because we know how much
Speaker 1: Mike Florio like salt me never shaker. That's amazing. Thank you, Frankie.
Speaker 1: And I got you the thumbs up right last year,
Speaker 1: so this goes well, you didn't we have them wet
Speaker 1: a sweatshirt, that's what it was, very very nice. So
Speaker 1: we got your a salt pepper shaker shirt. Thank you, guys.
Speaker 1: I very much appreciate it. You gotta still wrap the
Speaker 1: Mets even on the West coast. Mike, Oh yeah, Jake
Speaker 1: was just telling me to break up with them. That's
Speaker 1: just not physically potentially smart. It's it's smart, it's smart,
Speaker 1: but it's not possible for me. At least, you won't
Speaker 1: be able to physically go to games and support them anymore.
Speaker 1: So that's a good thing. That's the one part of
Speaker 1: your protest. Nicola actually bought me a sign. It's says
Speaker 1: city Field, and it's the exact number of miles to
Speaker 1: where we're going to be living, and it's like three thousand,
Speaker 1: four hundred and like nineteen. So get as far as
Speaker 1: I don't think I can physically get further. All right,
Speaker 1: it's get a tight ends, gentlemen. Um, So the tight
Speaker 1: ends I'm looking for. I was looking at my rankings
Speaker 1: of last year's top tight ends on my list, and
Speaker 1: unbelievably enough, people still really like Jordan Read last year.
Speaker 1: I know it's hard to imagine now, but Jordan Read
Speaker 1: last year was my third ranked tight end at the
Speaker 1: time they did these rankings. Number four was Jimmy Graham
Speaker 1: and number five was Greg Olsen. Obviously Read Olsen what
Speaker 1: over here? Um had some major, major injury issues and
Speaker 1: that caused them to have really terrible years. Other tight
Speaker 1: ends inside of my top ten, Tyler Eiffer, another injury disaster,
Speaker 1: U and very Ibran whom again, why do we still
Speaker 1: do this this year, a year where there's a lot
Speaker 1: of tight ends, as I spoke about yesterday that could
Speaker 1: break out. We want to tell you what tight ends
Speaker 1: to avoid. So we tweeted out from Fantasy BFF Twitter account,
Speaker 1: as we have in each of the last two weeks,
Speaker 1: which these tight ends as the biggest bust in your choices?
Speaker 1: Once again, Greg Olsen, Jimmy Graham, Delaney Walker, you're seeing
Speaker 1: a trend here wat to that moment. And then Evan Ingram,
Speaker 1: which I think is a really interesting one because Evan
Speaker 1: Ingram is going off the board as a top five
Speaker 1: tight end. Of course, the tight ends ahead of Evan
Speaker 1: and Gram or Travis Kelsey, zach Ertz, Rob Gronkowski, and
Speaker 1: I'd love to know both of you guys and those
Speaker 1: that are listening and want to call in an eight
Speaker 1: four four eight four three six eight seven nine if
Speaker 1: they you think any of those three guys may bust
Speaker 1: in team. Let's start with who I would think he
Speaker 1: was the odd man out of this career, Like Olson,
Speaker 1: Graham and Walker, they're all up there in age. They've
Speaker 1: all been around a very long time. They've all had
Speaker 1: extremely productive careers that I think they're on this list
Speaker 1: because you look at them and you're like, all right,
Speaker 1: maybe this is the year they fall off, right. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the thought process here is maybe this is the
Speaker 1: year that it doesn't go right. Certainly last year was
Speaker 1: like that for Olsen, not so much for Graham and Walker.
Speaker 1: Graham has had his issues but scores his touchdowns. Uh
Speaker 1: Lanny Walker has kind of been the same player for
Speaker 1: the last five years. But Evan Ingram is different. Evan
Speaker 1: Ingram had a phenomenal rookie year by all accounts, finished
Speaker 1: the top five tight end. Now back for a year
Speaker 1: two with the Giants, a year where we are used
Speaker 1: to seeing tight ends breakout, used to seeing them become
Speaker 1: mainstays in fantasy lineups and teams for years. But he
Speaker 1: made our accountdown because of a big number, and that
Speaker 1: was thirteen. As you told me before, Frank, thirteen drops
Speaker 1: for evaning Girl last year. He's on this list because
Speaker 1: of the people around him, se Kwon, Barkley, Odo Beckon Jr.
Speaker 1: Sterling Shepherd. Evan Ingram's no. Best third maybe four on
Speaker 1: targets on this team. But I can't believe that he's
Speaker 1: not my guy to bost super talented, super young. We
Speaker 1: certainly know that Pat Shermoer likes to use his tight
Speaker 1: end as we saw last year with Kyle Rudolph and
Speaker 1: in the past. I love Evan Ingram. Probably some bias there, Frank,
Speaker 1: what makes you live it off and Evan Ingram? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's what you mentioned about. Um, the target
Speaker 1: centers just around him. So from weeks one to five
Speaker 1: last year, he was the tight end eighteen in points
Speaker 1: per game. From weeks six through seventeen, he was tight
Speaker 1: end four in points per game. That is during that
Speaker 1: span is when he caught five of his six six touchdowns. UM.
Speaker 1: From week six to seventeen, one fifteen targets last year
Speaker 1: led the Giants. That was Evan Ingraham. Um, you know
Speaker 1: I'm key in on Week six on because Odell Beckham.
Speaker 1: That was when Odell Beckham went out. The last game
Speaker 1: he played was Week five. Then Sterling Shepherd missed Week six, seven, eleven, twelve, seventeen.
Speaker 1: So six through seventeen is when Ingram had the opportunity
Speaker 1: to do all of his all of this damage I'm
Speaker 1: just worried about targets this year. It feels like you're
Speaker 1: paying for the ceiling for Evan Ingram once again. You're
Speaker 1: paying for him to replicate last year's stats, and I
Speaker 1: just don't see a way that that's possible. Given Odell
Speaker 1: Beckham is going to demand his targets share on this team,
Speaker 1: Sterling Shepherd and we're forgetting sae Quon Barkley is likely
Speaker 1: to catch. I'd say, you know, forty five to fifty
Speaker 1: five receptions on this team this year, so you know
Speaker 1: that's gonna be another at least seventy to eighty targets.
Speaker 1: So I just don't think that there's enough here for
Speaker 1: Evan Ingram. Yes, you know he might have some big weeks,
Speaker 1: but I think he's gonna be inconsistent. I feel like
Speaker 1: right now, for where he's going in that tight end
Speaker 1: five six rains right around Greg Olson, Jimmy Graham to
Speaker 1: Laney Walker. You're paying for him to replicate last year
Speaker 1: stats and I just can't see it happening. But he
Speaker 1: was listen, I know everything worked out for him Florial
Speaker 1: last year, all O'Dell and all the other wide receivers
Speaker 1: getting hurt, no running game to speak of. Certainly no
Speaker 1: pass catching running back to speak of. But Evan Ingram
Speaker 1: is still what twenty three years old. I mean he's
Speaker 1: he's improving, like he's an improving player. I understand what
Speaker 1: Frank's saying, but I don't know that the drop off
Speaker 1: is coming. I don't either. I think that he is
Speaker 1: second on this team in targets. Remember Sailing Shepard when
Speaker 1: they when they had everyone. It was not a guy
Speaker 1: that we owned in fantasy last year. He was a
Speaker 1: guy that when everyone got hurt, I picked up off
Speaker 1: waivers and it was a fun ride. But I looked
Speaker 1: at Evan Ingram in the four games that he played
Speaker 1: with Odell Beckham last year. During those games, he had
Speaker 1: a one with eleven targets, two with seven, and one
Speaker 1: game with four. So if you're telling me he's gonna
Speaker 1: be seeing around seven targets a game, I'm fine with that.
Speaker 1: And his per game during those four games with Odell
Speaker 1: Beckham looked like this, seven point three targets per game,
Speaker 1: three point eight receptions, thirty nine yards, and zero point
Speaker 1: three touchdowns. If you extrapolate that four game span into
Speaker 1: a sixteen game season, you're looking at a hundred and
Speaker 1: sixteen targets, sixty reception receptions, six d and twenty four yards,
Speaker 1: and four touchdowns. That is a step down from what
Speaker 1: he did last year, but the targets are still there,
Speaker 1: and I agree with Greggy. I think he is talented
Speaker 1: and only improving as a player. So I I I
Speaker 1: do worry with Frank and initially he was. I considered
Speaker 1: Evan Ingram as my bus pick because there are a
Speaker 1: lot of options there. But I still think it's the
Speaker 1: opportunity to be the number two target getter on this team,
Speaker 1: because yes, Saekon Bar He's gonna demand his touches, but
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna out target Evan Ingram on
Speaker 1: a week by week basis. I think Sterling Shepard is
Speaker 1: the one that I worry the most about if he's
Speaker 1: going to be inconsistent. There may be inconsistencies with Evan Ingram,
Speaker 1: but I think eight years end, the numbers will be there.
Speaker 1: I think so too. I think there's inconsistencies when it
Speaker 1: comes to every tight end for the most part, like
Speaker 1: outside of let's say a Gronk or a Travis Kelsey
Speaker 1: or zach Ertz is now in that category. There's inconsistency
Speaker 1: with everybody for weeks a week, and I think if
Speaker 1: you're getting not four for thirty nine, like like Michael
Speaker 1: was saying, you obviously need more touchdowns than not. Um.
Speaker 1: I understand why people are worried about everything Gram. I
Speaker 1: just don't think I am, and I know it sounded
Speaker 1: like everything I said poop poo to Evan Ingram For
Speaker 1: this year, yes, but you know, keeper dynasty long term.
Speaker 1: I mean, he is a problem. You watch the way
Speaker 1: he plays. He's a good route runner, has to work
Speaker 1: on the hands. You mentioned the thirteen drops he had
Speaker 1: last year, a fifty five percent cash rate that was
Speaker 1: thirty first among all tight ends. So I worry about
Speaker 1: that as well. It might have been teams double teaming him.
Speaker 1: He he was a rookie, uh, you know, just getting
Speaker 1: his feet wet in the NFL. But you know he's
Speaker 1: he's fast for linebackers and he's bigger than the safety,
Speaker 1: so he is a mismatched problem. With that being said,
Speaker 1: I just I am worried about the targets you mentioned
Speaker 1: se Kwon Barkley. It's not just targets. They didn't have
Speaker 1: a workhorse running back last year like se Kwon Barkley
Speaker 1: is gonna touch the ball anywhere from in my opinion,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five times a game. So that's gonna limit
Speaker 1: kind of everything for you know, anyone not named Odell
Speaker 1: Beckham on this team. So yeah, there will be some
Speaker 1: big weeks. Maybe one week at Sterling Shepard as the
Speaker 1: third option having a big week, maybe one week. It's
Speaker 1: Evan Ingram. I'm just worried about Uh. I feel like
Speaker 1: you're paying for what he did last year and I'm
Speaker 1: not sure that he gets there. So for me, out
Speaker 1: of this group, he is one that I'm more worried
Speaker 1: about than the others on this list. Okay, so there
Speaker 1: you go with Evan Ingram A four four, four, three,
Speaker 1: six seven nine. I want to take a call from
Speaker 1: season in Arizona. It's up, Caesar, are doing't gonna do?
Speaker 1: It's up? But my question is about uh, Derrick Henry.
Speaker 1: Why why people not high? Two? Why are people not
Speaker 1: high enough? By Florial on Derrick Henry, I think the
Speaker 1: concern of Dean Lewis obviously factored in. When before they
Speaker 1: got Dean Lewis, everyone was saying he's the top twelve guy.
Speaker 1: But Dean Lewis performed extremely well last year. He's a
Speaker 1: great pass catcher out of the backfield, So you know,
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry is not going to be out there on
Speaker 1: passing down plays. Can he be the goal line back?
Speaker 1: Can he you know, still see the team plus carries
Speaker 1: the game. Yes, So I do think he is an
Speaker 1: RB two, but some of that luster obviously went away
Speaker 1: when they brought in another capable running back. Yeah. To
Speaker 1: answer your question season, I think in a standard Derrick Henry,
Speaker 1: I'm going to have him as an RB two. As
Speaker 1: of right now, I have him ranked as my RB twenty,
Speaker 1: so that's kind of in the solid to low end
Speaker 1: r B two range. I do worry about Dean Lewis.
Speaker 1: I know it's a new team. We've seen running backs
Speaker 1: leave the New England Patriots and not be as productive,
Speaker 1: but they signed him to a solid contray act here
Speaker 1: and he's very versatile when he's on the field. Defenses
Speaker 1: don't know whether he's gonna run, whether he's going to
Speaker 1: catch passes out of the backfield. Patriots used him in
Speaker 1: the red zone last year and he did work there
Speaker 1: as well. So I just think Derrick Henry is not
Speaker 1: going to get the workload that we all thought kind
Speaker 1: of when everything was breaking down here early in draft season.
Speaker 1: So people are souring on Derrick Henry. But I think
Speaker 1: in the standard league, you get him as your r
Speaker 1: B two, I think you can do worse. So you
Speaker 1: get him in that fourth round. I don't have a
Speaker 1: huge problem with it. I think he's going to be
Speaker 1: the goal line running back for this team. He could
Speaker 1: teach score anywhere from like I'll say, like seven to
Speaker 1: nine touchdowns. I think that's like a fair projection for
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry this year. I have him in RB twenty one,
Speaker 1: So I'm right there with you. Let's go to Bob Invermont.
Speaker 1: What's going on, Bob? Hey? Are you doing Greg? Happy birthday, Mike.
Speaker 1: Thank you Bob. And how you doing well? How are
Speaker 1: you Bob? Greg? Yes, good, I'm doing good. Everybody's looking good.
Speaker 1: I'm doing good. Greg. What about the Green Bay Packers
Speaker 1: might end? Oh, Jimmy Graham, We're gonna We're gonna get
Speaker 1: We're gonna get the Jimmy Graham a little bit later
Speaker 1: on the show, Yeah, yeah, we're not probably talking about
Speaker 1: Sandy Lewis at all. We're gonna talk about Jimy Graham.
Speaker 1: Little bit later on the show today, he's not. I
Speaker 1: think he's good. He's played with for a very long
Speaker 1: time for like twelve years or so. Lewis is a
Speaker 1: dinosaur now. Yeah, so let's talk with Jimmy Gram a
Speaker 1: little later on the shift time. We we we could do
Speaker 1: the Jimmy could do Jimmy Graham when we get back
Speaker 1: from the break, I think it'll be a good time
Speaker 1: to touch on Jimmy Graham, um, because I think it
Speaker 1: was I think it was in berries, um hundred facts, calm,
Speaker 1: we were really good. Couple of factors. I'll look up
Speaker 1: during the break about Jimmy Graham and don't want to
Speaker 1: read to you guys, which makes me kind of in
Speaker 1: the cab that he could be the bust this year
Speaker 1: based on where he's going. So there's some stats there.
Speaker 1: We're also gonna get to Delaney Walker obviously, and we're
Speaker 1: we're going to get to uh, Greg Olson as well
Speaker 1: because we disagree about Greg Olson down stairs before the
Speaker 1: show started. Franks and excited to have that discussion with
Speaker 1: you about that night. Thank you, guys. Cut up this
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Speaker 1: us as directed Bay alrighty, my birthday indeeds You either
Speaker 1: like Floril. We did dr A from inside. Injuries on
Speaker 1: the line were always downstairs. You can skype doctor right
Speaker 1: he's gonna join us celebrate your birthday. Man, He's only
Speaker 1: coming on for you. We should go through all of
Speaker 1: Michael for his injuries throughout his life, like, Dr that's awesome. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, Dr Three, Michael Florio had authoritis in his
Speaker 1: ankles as a young child. Um, well, I still do.
Speaker 1: What can you tell us about out his long term
Speaker 1: productivity as a fantasy football writer given his authortis and
Speaker 1: his ankles. Well, let's ask Dr A. He's listening right now.
Speaker 1: It's up. Doc. Hey, guys, how are you can you
Speaker 1: help us about Florio's lifelong arthritis problem? How old is Florio? Wow?
Speaker 1: So he has arthritis? I haven't working here. What is
Speaker 1: that I have? Like they call it runners knees or whatever?
Speaker 1: I have that in both of my knees. Do you run?
Speaker 1: I did not enough? I did in high school. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that is an actual doc diagnosis. Uh, you
Speaker 1: can have runners knees, which is a little bit of
Speaker 1: thinning of cartilage and causes a little bone marrow diema
Speaker 1: within the bony part of the knee and it causes
Speaker 1: a lot of pain. So that is true. It's an
Speaker 1: actual diagnosis. So well, Doc, so you know this is
Speaker 1: not only is this Floria's birthday, it's also his last
Speaker 1: time I want to show with you. He's he's headed
Speaker 1: to l A tomorrow's program. Yes, I remember, I didn't
Speaker 1: know when you were actually leaving. But uh, that's great.
Speaker 1: Good luck to you, man. We don't wish really good luck.
Speaker 1: Greggy became an executive. It's just he's kicking everybody out.
Speaker 1: I wanted to say, I'm trying to do the oppositely,
Speaker 1: ki him out. Oh you're guilty, Yes, all right, cool.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's working though. The big story
Speaker 1: doc this week is Andrew Look not on the populist.
Speaker 1: He's already throwing Everybody loves Andrew lucky again. He's going
Speaker 1: to play the first game in the preseason. Everybody is
Speaker 1: happy and optimistic when it comes to Andrew Luck. Should
Speaker 1: we be so? Um, we should be cautiously optimistic. I
Speaker 1: don't know what that exactly does for the fantasy draft,
Speaker 1: but um, what that means is do not make him
Speaker 1: your number one. Uh he you know somebody will pick
Speaker 1: him number one, but his injury risk is just too high.
Speaker 1: Um it's still at twenty percent. I mean it's better
Speaker 1: than it used to be. Um, it was that thirties,
Speaker 1: thirty in the high thirties. So he's down to which
Speaker 1: is really good, and he's at peak at eight percent
Speaker 1: and it's probably going to climb higher if he doesn't
Speaker 1: have any setbacks. That's the actual keyword. He still has
Speaker 1: quite a bit of throwing and quite a bit of
Speaker 1: stuff that he has to do before game one of
Speaker 1: the season, So uh, fantasy owners need to be pretty
Speaker 1: careful on taking a risk on him being their number one.
Speaker 1: I still think that he's a number two in fantasy drafts.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, if he didn't have multiple setbacks with
Speaker 1: that throwing labor, you know, he'd probably be a number
Speaker 1: one right now. But just by that tent I r.
Speaker 1: C Um should be making him a number two. That's fair, doctor.
Speaker 1: I think given the depth of the quarterback position this year,
Speaker 1: I agree with you, like if you take Andrew Luck,
Speaker 1: you have to have another quarterback in place. But I
Speaker 1: do like the upside a lot as well, So you're
Speaker 1: you're not just completely writing him off, like you can
Speaker 1: draft him, but just make sure you have like another
Speaker 1: insurance policy in case everything goes south. Yes percent, if
Speaker 1: you do draft him on you gotta have a guy
Speaker 1: that is low injury risk and peak health that can
Speaker 1: come into his place and be a legitimate Number one
Speaker 1: if he goes down because that injury risk of I
Speaker 1: mean one, one out of five chance of him getting
Speaker 1: injured is still way too high. Well, another quarterback who
Speaker 1: you know has plenty of injury risk heading into the
Speaker 1: season is Carson Wentz, who as of right now has
Speaker 1: avoided the physically unable to perform list for training camp.
Speaker 1: But we still don't know whether or not he's going
Speaker 1: to be ready four week one. Uh, if he miss
Speaker 1: his time, he can miss multiple games. Here. He tore
Speaker 1: his a c L later on in the season. I
Speaker 1: believe he had his surgery on December, so looking at
Speaker 1: about like nine months will be his recovery time by
Speaker 1: the time the season starts. How are we feeling about
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz? Should we be optimistic that he didn't land
Speaker 1: on the pub? Yes? I think, um, you should be
Speaker 1: more optimistic than Andrew Luck. Actually, um, you know, when
Speaker 1: it comes to purely just from an injury perspective, you know,
Speaker 1: tearing your a c L. The technology is so good now,
Speaker 1: surgery is really good. I mean you can really uh
Speaker 1: you know, have a great year after tearing your a
Speaker 1: c L previously. Now, could you suffer other injuries? Of course, right,
Speaker 1: But Carson Wentz based on his player nucleus and kind
Speaker 1: of all his injury database in our algorithm, he's at
Speaker 1: six elevated injury risk right now. But by the time
Speaker 1: the season starts, if he doesn't have any setbacks based
Speaker 1: on the previous sort of combination of the types of
Speaker 1: injuries he has had, he likely will be very close
Speaker 1: to low injury risk and peak health. So he actually
Speaker 1: has a better outlook from from our standpoint than Andrew Luck.
Speaker 1: That that kind of pushes him into our recommendation from
Speaker 1: an injury standpoint to be as a number one as
Speaker 1: opposed to Angrew Luck, who would be a number two.
Speaker 1: Josh Dackson is a full go for the start of
Speaker 1: training camp, and we know he's battled injuries throughout his
Speaker 1: entire career. But with this leg injury, would you be
Speaker 1: advising owners to stay away or is it fair for
Speaker 1: them to take a shot on him later in dress? So, uh,
Speaker 1: let me give you the metrics he's running out right
Speaker 1: now at which is elevated UM high injury risk is above,
Speaker 1: so he's not quite anywhere near low injury risk below averages.
Speaker 1: So even if he gets to closer to low injury risk,
Speaker 1: um our algorithms are saying that the previous injuries that
Speaker 1: he has suffered will still be significantly impactful on his
Speaker 1: play on the field because he's a He has a
Speaker 1: forty eight percent HPF where peak is at eighty something percent,
Speaker 1: So it's half of what peak should be at this
Speaker 1: time of year. So you know, I would say that
Speaker 1: he isn't avoid um and if you do, if you're
Speaker 1: going to pick him up, he must be picked up
Speaker 1: in much later rounds then you know, obviously the first
Speaker 1: you know, seven or eight rounds at least. Hey, by
Speaker 1: the way, when you guys talking about Carson wentz, uh,
Speaker 1: he should have training camp today. He's not on the
Speaker 1: pub or yesterday. He's not on the pup list. And
Speaker 1: he was asked about rehabbing and he just got married.
Speaker 1: He asked about rehabbing on his honeymoon. He gave a
Speaker 1: long pause and said he got some workouts in and
Speaker 1: after he burst of laughter, he said, in the fitness center,
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz, you're lady, ladies and gentlemen, tell dr A
Speaker 1: from inside Injuries and Doc. I'm someone that's very high
Speaker 1: on cream Hunt and I love Kareem Hunt this year
Speaker 1: and I expect big things from him. But nobody's really
Speaker 1: talking about the fact that Spencer wears back and he
Speaker 1: heard himself um in the preseason last year, very very
Speaker 1: early on. Is he health? You're ready to go? What
Speaker 1: your What kind of year can we expect from Spencer Ware? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So Spencer Ware is an interesting sort of case. Um,
Speaker 1: but you know, right now he's at peak health. He's
Speaker 1: at eight six percent climbing, so he could potentially get
Speaker 1: into So that's good news that whatever his injury was,
Speaker 1: it's not predicted to be impactful on his play. However,
Speaker 1: the UM in the the injury risk right now is
Speaker 1: at fifteen percent, which is elevated, so as the season
Speaker 1: starts to get closer and closer that things should start
Speaker 1: to creep down to eleven percent, which is the low threshold.
Speaker 1: So I think the likelihood if he doesn't have any
Speaker 1: other setbacks in training, camp, etcetera. From an injury perspective,
Speaker 1: he should be at low injury risk and peak health.
Speaker 1: So he's a really if people are not going to
Speaker 1: take him as their number one, I think that he
Speaker 1: would be a really really good insurance policy for somebody
Speaker 1: as a running back. All right, so an insurance policy
Speaker 1: both for Cream Haunt and for your fantasy teams. You know,
Speaker 1: we're talking to Dr a and and I obviously know
Speaker 1: your your specialty isn't exactly psychology in anyway, But I'm
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what's going on with Josh Gordon,
Speaker 1: and I don't know what you know about it. I
Speaker 1: know you're certainly tell us his the injury expectation whatnot.
Speaker 1: But from the mental aspect of the game, it seemed
Speaker 1: like he was healthy, he was clean, he was sober.
Speaker 1: And then just the day before Brown's camp opens, he
Speaker 1: doesn't show up and the team makes an announcement, the
Speaker 1: NFL makes an announcement, He makes an announcement saying he
Speaker 1: needs to get himself right. Um, he needs to be okay,
Speaker 1: so he could be their week one. Nobody seems to
Speaker 1: have any idea if he'll be there week one. Nobody
Speaker 1: seems to have any idea what's going on. I thought
Speaker 1: maybe you you'd have some insight on what's going on
Speaker 1: with Josh Gordon, so you know, mental health issues in
Speaker 1: in in general effect almost fifty of the human population.
Speaker 1: You know, whether it's smile to severe, it's someone needs
Speaker 1: to flip of a coin that someone sometime in their
Speaker 1: life is going to have some an issue with mental
Speaker 1: health because it's just like any other biological problem. You know,
Speaker 1: people who have diabetes can't produce insulin and because they
Speaker 1: have a problem with their pancreas. People that go through anxiety,
Speaker 1: true anxiety, have an issue with one of their centers
Speaker 1: in their brain and it's an organ and so that's
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen. And that's the problem here is that
Speaker 1: you know, it's a very difficult thing to treat. Sometimes,
Speaker 1: it takes it takes a while, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: peaks and valleys, and um, it affects anybody, including an
Speaker 1: NFL pro athlete. It's it's an equal opportunity type of problem,
Speaker 1: you know, so unfortunately can significantly impact you know, our
Speaker 1: brain is the center of everything. So it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: if you're clearly in shape and he's got you know,
Speaker 1: HPF which is pretty high. Um, there is uh nothing
Speaker 1: that they can do until he gets his mind right,
Speaker 1: and the only way to do that is through counseling.
Speaker 1: You know. Uh, psychiatric help as well as medications and
Speaker 1: get to a right balance so that way he can
Speaker 1: actually utilize you know, the physicality in the you know,
Speaker 1: in his peak, you know sort of system. So I'm
Speaker 1: hoping that makes sense. A three, I wanted to ask
Speaker 1: you about Julian Edelman, who I don't know if people
Speaker 1: realize it is now thirty two years old, and he
Speaker 1: tore his A c L very early in camp last year.
Speaker 1: I is gonna be dealing with the four game suspension
Speaker 1: to start the season, so that's pushing him down draft
Speaker 1: boards for fantasy football purposes. But you know, a guy
Speaker 1: who depends so much on his lateral quickness coming back
Speaker 1: from the torn a c L. He's thirty two years old.
Speaker 1: Should we worry about him a little bit more because he's,
Speaker 1: you know, pass that thirty year old mark. Or are
Speaker 1: we still all systems go with Julian Edelman because of
Speaker 1: the science and the research that we have with the
Speaker 1: torn a cels. Yeah, I mean I think, um, anytime
Speaker 1: you it's not just even passing thirty years of age,
Speaker 1: it's also the number of games, play, a number of hits,
Speaker 1: you know, just the constant contact. It's just very very
Speaker 1: much you know, as you get older, you know the
Speaker 1: injury risk will go higher. It's just how much higher
Speaker 1: it will be. And so that's what kind of our
Speaker 1: algorithm shows is that he's at eighteen percent. He's not
Speaker 1: going to get any lower than that. Again, he's at
Speaker 1: peak health right recovering from an A c L. That's
Speaker 1: very good. So the injury won't impact his ability, you know,
Speaker 1: to play on the field. It will be sort of
Speaker 1: he's at peak health. Again, the question is is Kenny
Speaker 1: stay on the field. And right now our algorithm is
Speaker 1: saying is that he's likelihood. You know, when you had
Speaker 1: elevated injury risk at eighteen percent, take and it's a
Speaker 1: very simple calculation. They're sixteen games in a season. If
Speaker 1: he's at twent take a fifth of the games out
Speaker 1: through the injury basically, so he's close to that. He'll
Speaker 1: miss at least four to five games of equivalent time.
Speaker 1: And that's what our algorithm is is basically saying, I
Speaker 1: wanted to ask you about a player who really hasn't
Speaker 1: done anything at the NFL level, but it seems on
Speaker 1: his team the dark horse candidate always emerges, as you know,
Speaker 1: a running back to own as a season goes on.
Speaker 1: That player is Kenneth Dixon of the Baltimore Ravens. He's
Speaker 1: saying he feels good. He avoided the active pu P list,
Speaker 1: So is he back at a prime health and should
Speaker 1: is it something that Alex Collins owners should worry about
Speaker 1: Kenneth Dixon maybe stealing some touches. So I was about
Speaker 1: to say all this stuff about Kenneth Dixon, but then
Speaker 1: there was an early report today on some local UM
Speaker 1: Baltimore channels and that he limped off the field, off
Speaker 1: the practice field today with an unknown injury. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you guys got that information. Literally, it literally
Speaker 1: just happened. And so the question is is it on
Speaker 1: the original knee or not. So if we pretend that
Speaker 1: we we you know, if we pretend that we didn't
Speaker 1: hear that, yes, I agree with you. It's plenty of
Speaker 1: time to heal low injury risk peak health he's at
Speaker 1: and he's at seven peak health. It's gonna be a
Speaker 1: lot higher once the season starts. However, we need to
Speaker 1: now dive into this um you know, potential limping off
Speaker 1: the practice field and see if there's actually any truth
Speaker 1: to that. So I think the only thing to say
Speaker 1: is let's wait and see for what it's worth. I'm
Speaker 1: seeing a reporter say it's a tweeked hamstring. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: so obviously that changes a little bit. Tweeked hamstring is
Speaker 1: probably at least a soft tissue hamstring injury for a
Speaker 1: running back, it could be as high as a Grade one.
Speaker 1: We would have to plug that into our alt of
Speaker 1: them and see what injury severity comes out to, and
Speaker 1: then we'd be able to rerun his metrics. So whatever
Speaker 1: I just said about kennetics and don't listen to until
Speaker 1: we actually rerun these metrics. So there are a chance, Doc,
Speaker 1: that you know, you talk about when these players are
Speaker 1: coming back from injury, that they're you know, compensating. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's very early in camp, but shouldn't we be worried
Speaker 1: that it's just the first day. Maybe there's some compensation
Speaker 1: involved here. He's you know, he's trying to use one
Speaker 1: leg more than the other, and maybe that's what led
Speaker 1: to this hamstring injury. Because you know, I'm very heavily
Speaker 1: invested in Alex Collins, so to me, less competition around
Speaker 1: him the better. Is that something that you know, could
Speaker 1: continue to freep up with Kenneth Dickton. So you're the
Speaker 1: number one cause of an injury. Uh, coming off of
Speaker 1: another injury is the fact that there is a psychological
Speaker 1: mental component of compensation um you know, with that torn meniscus,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe he's thinking that he doesn't you know,
Speaker 1: he wants to kind of gingerly kind of put that together,
Speaker 1: puts additional pressure on the hamstring on the other lag
Speaker 1: or this lag, and then it causes a little bit
Speaker 1: of a tweak. Sometimes has nothing to do with it,
Speaker 1: but there is a component of that. So yes, there
Speaker 1: is a little bit of compensation um um here. But
Speaker 1: you know, if it's a soft tissue hamstring, it's not
Speaker 1: even a grade one. You know, that thing is in
Speaker 1: a few days, it will be good to go. And uh,
Speaker 1: maybe it's just something that he has to get over
Speaker 1: the hump and it may not affect his metric and
Speaker 1: his numbers that much. So let's just we'll have to
Speaker 1: wait and see based on when we pull all of
Speaker 1: our information and plug it in to see what kind
Speaker 1: of know what it does to his metrics. Dr A
Speaker 1: Inside Injuries, We appreciate the time. As always, We'll talk
Speaker 1: to you next week. Frank and I I'll probably never
Speaker 1: talk to Floria again. So well, Floria, good luck to you.
Speaker 1: It was a pleasure working with you. And whatever you
Speaker 1: do in the future, good luck to you. Thank you,
Speaker 1: insane to you. Alright, very app there you go, and
Speaker 1: there you gotta talk to a inside injuries the absolute
Speaker 1: best and trying to predict injuries and trying to let
Speaker 1: you know, listen, you don't want to draft these guys
Speaker 1: because they're always hurt. So make sure you always will
Speaker 1: listen to the guys and the crew, especially Virginia and
Speaker 1: Tracy and Inside Injuries. Yeah, and you know, download the
Speaker 1: app and I've I've turned my notifications on for their tweets.
Speaker 1: Whenever Inside Injury they tweet out stuff, they're right on
Speaker 1: the ball. I mean they were tweeting about the Kennetics
Speaker 1: and injury earlier on as well, so that's how I
Speaker 1: knew about it. So whenever they tweet out about an injury,
Speaker 1: I'm getting the the instant update if you turn on
Speaker 1: those notifications on Twitter, something that I would recommend. All Right,
Speaker 1: we about two minutes before but we hit the break,
Speaker 1: which means I want to give Mike another present. Alright,
Speaker 1: I'd like to give them the one that matches that a.
Speaker 1: How what did you guys? We got you guys. Else, Mike,
Speaker 1: I wanna I'm gonna throw it to camera first. You're
Speaker 1: gonna be by the beach, you said, the beach, So
Speaker 1: you need your brand new New York Mets beach towel
Speaker 1: to lay on it to be with you at all times.
Speaker 1: You could rent your New York Mets in your salt
Speaker 1: and pepper shirt while you're laying out on your New
Speaker 1: York Mets beach towel. Thank you, guys. One of the
Speaker 1: first pictures you better send back to the BFF group
Speaker 1: chat should be you were laying with that on the beach.
Speaker 1: So if you you want to put it on now
Speaker 1: as a as a cape, that would work for us.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah, we're even like a scarf would work
Speaker 1: as well. So we'll I'm opening it. We'll just wait
Speaker 1: for you to do that. It's it's with radio. So
Speaker 1: if you're gonna describe what you're doing, all right, Well
Speaker 1: I had to open it. Yeah, I'm gonna use it
Speaker 1: like a scar here that looks that's you look rate.
Speaker 1: So there you go. There's my Floria and his brand
Speaker 1: new Met scar. You wanna put on your ear salt
Speaker 1: pepper shirt during the break too. Maybe sure, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be great. Yeah, I think you should have put the
Speaker 1: salt pepper shirt off during the break. Um. I wanted
Speaker 1: to get you a salt and pepper shaker, but Frank
Speaker 1: overruled me and bout you the shirt instead. All right,
Speaker 1: just being honest there, I would have appreciated either one. Right,
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Speaker 1: so far we've gotten you the scarf that you're wearing,
Speaker 1: it is really a towel, and the salt and pepper shirt.
Speaker 1: But as I said, it doesn't make sense to have
Speaker 1: a salt pepper shirt without the pepper shaker. Alrighty, there
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Speaker 1: you can do the salt and pepper shaker. There's just
Speaker 1: mets particles pours. There you go, Mike, all right, I said, Um,
Speaker 1: before the pull up Barry's article on Jimmy Graham, I
Speaker 1: will do that before I do. You noted to me
Speaker 1: Frank downstairs at Jimmy Graham and Evan Silva, who we
Speaker 1: have reached out to come on the show. Um, Evan
Speaker 1: Silva's rankings, he's Jimmy Graham is number four, tight end
Speaker 1: on the year. I know my eyes open were a
Speaker 1: little open on that. What about you? It's very interesting.
Speaker 1: I haven't I haven't ranked the top twelve, like I
Speaker 1: have an idea of where I want guys to be.
Speaker 1: But there's a chance that I'm gonna have Jimmy Graham
Speaker 1: four as well. And I understand he physically looked like
Speaker 1: he broke down last year. But if you're just looking
Speaker 1: at opportunity this season, I feel like he has a
Speaker 1: chance to fill in the shoes of Doherty Nelson. You know,
Speaker 1: last year, Jimmy Jimmy Graham six red zone targets that
Speaker 1: led all of football. The year before that was with
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers at the helm as the quarterback. Geordy Nelson
Speaker 1: had thirty two red zone targets. That was the most
Speaker 1: that season. The next closest was Kylo Rolf with twenty
Speaker 1: five red zone targets. So I think that there's a
Speaker 1: chance that Jimmy Graham's gonna step in. He's not gonna
Speaker 1: get thirty two red zone targets. I'm not gonna project
Speaker 1: that Davantae Adams is there. I think there's a chance
Speaker 1: that Jimmy Graham could take some of those touchdowns away
Speaker 1: from Adams. But I think that the opportunity is there.
Speaker 1: Like everyone expects Randall cob to be the number two
Speaker 1: options in the passing game here, like, why not Jimmy Graham.
Speaker 1: I know that Rogers hasn't typically used the tight end
Speaker 1: throughout his career, but you know, he lost Jordy Nelson.
Speaker 1: He hasn't necessarily had a tight end to the same
Speaker 1: caliber as Jimmy Graham. Jimmy Graham's not his old self.
Speaker 1: But I'm just looking at opportunity here and I'm getting excited.
Speaker 1: And in PPR he's bummed down a little bit, but
Speaker 1: standard half point, I think there's gonna be touchdowns here.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised. I think seven eight touchdowns is
Speaker 1: a fair projection for Jimmy Graham this here, and he
Speaker 1: and he feed does that he's gonna end up being
Speaker 1: close to a top five tight end in my opinion.
Speaker 1: Here's the stats that that I add for you. Florio.
Speaker 1: Do you know the last time that Aaron Rodgers finished
Speaker 1: with a top or package I should say, finished with
Speaker 1: a top ten Fantasy ten end. I think I do
Speaker 1: because I looked at every single tight end since all
Speaker 1: the week back to two twelve with the Packers. I'm
Speaker 1: going to guess it was your Michael Finley, and I'm
Speaker 1: saying who it was, I'm going twelve. I'd imagine what
Speaker 1: year was twelve, What year was twelve? Last year they
Speaker 1: had a top ten ten end your side. That's my guest.
Speaker 1: I think Richard Rodgers was somewhere in there. It was
Speaker 1: twenty eleven. Last time I had a top ten tight
Speaker 1: endy it was last year. Again. This non scille from
Speaker 1: Matthew Berry's hundred hundred fact column TMR over ESPN dot
Speaker 1: com um last year, how many of Aaron Rodgers had
Speaker 1: thirty two red zens targets? Obviously only thirty two because
Speaker 1: only played a few games. Out of those thirty two
Speaker 1: red zone targets, how many do you think went to
Speaker 1: tight ends? Remember that Steen Broughten, Jared cooked to or
Speaker 1: he's the guy four, I'll say six between five it's five.
Speaker 1: Only five out of thirty two targets by our Rodgers
Speaker 1: went to a tight end at all. I know that
Speaker 1: Jimmy Graham and now the Graham numbers, which you know
Speaker 1: are kind of the opposite of this, as you can
Speaker 1: kind of see how you play with numbers. So Jimmy
Speaker 1: Graham has had the most red zone targets in the
Speaker 1: NFL over the last two years. You have to think
Speaker 1: something's gonna give, either positively or negatively. I don't know
Speaker 1: which one that is. Yeah, So for me, I have
Speaker 1: a lot of info on Jimmy Graham that to me
Speaker 1: says that I think he's going to be the bust
Speaker 1: of this bunch. Like you said Greggy two thousand eleven.
Speaker 1: For top tight end uh in two thousand twelve, I
Speaker 1: thought it was Finly he had eighty seven targets, sixty
Speaker 1: one catches, six hundred and sixty seven yards, and two touchdowns.
Speaker 1: The next best tight end season since two thousand twelve
Speaker 1: was in with Richard Rodgers when he had eight five targets,
Speaker 1: fifty eight catches, five hundred and ten yards, and eight touchdowns.
Speaker 1: So maybe Jimmy Graham could do that this year. But
Speaker 1: like you said, Jim, Jimmy Graham led the NFL in
Speaker 1: red zone targets last year. Well, Davantae Adams led all
Speaker 1: wide receivers. He had thirty seven point one percent of
Speaker 1: the Packers red zone targets last year. He also he
Speaker 1: had six targets in the end zone. And you look
Speaker 1: at Jimmy Graham. His ten touchdowns, all of them came
Speaker 1: from inside the red zone, and eight of them came
Speaker 1: from inside the ten yard line. And then I looked
Speaker 1: even further. So last year Jimmy Graham ten touchdowns, fifty
Speaker 1: seven receptions, five hundred and twenty yards. Since the post
Speaker 1: merger in nineteen seventy, there's been two hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: four seasons where a player has scored ten or more touchdowns.
Speaker 1: Four times that happened. His fifty seven receptions amongst those
Speaker 1: two eighty four players ranks two hundred and seven, and
Speaker 1: his five hundred and twenty yards ranks two hundred and
Speaker 1: eighty first out of two hundred and eighty four. So
Speaker 1: clearly extremely extremely extremely touchdown dependent. The fact that, yeah,
Speaker 1: I do think he will obviously post the best numbers
Speaker 1: they tight end on the packers has sense, uh Jamichael Finley,
Speaker 1: but if those touchdowns come down and he's more in
Speaker 1: like the six or seven range instead of the ten
Speaker 1: plus range, I think that's obviously gonna hurt him. I
Speaker 1: haven't ranked right now at six. I've debated him and
Speaker 1: Evan Ingram going back and forth at five and six,
Speaker 1: but I do think there's a better chance Jimmy Graham
Speaker 1: bus than Evan Ingram, so he is my pick of
Speaker 1: these four. I will say this greg the year that
Speaker 1: Jordy Nelson at the thirty two red zone targets, Davantae
Speaker 1: Adams was third in the NFL that year with twenty
Speaker 1: three red zone targets. Shorty Nelson scored eleven touchdowns from
Speaker 1: inside the red zone. Davante Adams had nine. So there
Speaker 1: is room for both of these guys to get touchdowns
Speaker 1: and get them inside of the red zone, to have
Speaker 1: a lot of targets. Randall Cobb not typically a guy
Speaker 1: who demands a lot of targets inside the red zone either.
Speaker 1: So if I'm looking at this sixteen, it seems like
Speaker 1: a nice, uh template for what can happen with Jimmy
Speaker 1: Graham this year, whether it's whether it's Davante Adams with
Speaker 1: the thirty two or you know, close to thirty leading
Speaker 1: the team and Jimmy Graham with you know, the low
Speaker 1: to mid twenties. Like, there is a template here for
Speaker 1: two packers to score twenty touchdowns inside the red zone,
Speaker 1: because we've seen it done already in I'm looking at
Speaker 1: last year's numbers for tight ends, whether it was a
Speaker 1: down year or whatever. Evan Ingram, who had seven hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty two yards and six touchdowns, finishes the tight
Speaker 1: end four in points per game. I could see Jimmy
Speaker 1: Graham having seven hundred yards and seven or eight touchdowns
Speaker 1: and to me, that's gonna be good enough to be
Speaker 1: a top five tight end. I'm concerned that Graham. Last
Speaker 1: year we saw that Graham was literally nothing but a
Speaker 1: red zone target. I mean, that was it the ready
Speaker 1: to Aaron Rodgers, it's an upgrade, but Aaron Rodgers a
Speaker 1: lot more pieces in that red zone. Adams being certainly
Speaker 1: the one with put a red circle around then Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson did, like Danta Adams a better resident target than
Speaker 1: Doug Baldwin is. And I think that if a Rodgers
Speaker 1: doesn't rely on Jimmy Graham like Russell Wilson did, Jimmy
Speaker 1: Grahams is just gonna kind of drop out the phase
Speaker 1: of the earth a little bit. Certainly a chance that
Speaker 1: can happen, Like there is volatility with this pick, and
Speaker 1: I will not deny that, but I think you know
Speaker 1: what you're getting when it comes to a tight end position.
Speaker 1: If you don't grab one of the big three, you're
Speaker 1: probably trying to find the guy who's most likely to
Speaker 1: score a touchdown week in and week out. Gimmy grahams
Speaker 1: that guy. I'll say this as well, Like so Frank,
Speaker 1: you laid out the stats from seen perfectly. But my
Speaker 1: only issue with that is that was Aaron Rodgers. He
Speaker 1: threw forty touchdowns that year. That was the second highest
Speaker 1: in his career. So if we don't see that number,
Speaker 1: maybe that takes a hit a bit. And I owned
Speaker 1: Jimmy Graham last year and I can tell you the
Speaker 1: weeks he didn't score a touchdown. It was atrocious. Like
Speaker 1: I'm talking like two points on the week so to me,
Speaker 1: and that's in a half point PPR. I maybe he
Speaker 1: is safer than I'm saying giving him credit for, but
Speaker 1: I think he has the lead some amount of upside
Speaker 1: of I think Evan Ingram or Greg Olsen bull have
Speaker 1: higher upside than Jimmy Graham and Blaney Walker the other time.
Speaker 1: And we're gonna talk about costs significantly less. So that's
Speaker 1: the reason I landed on Jimmy Graham is my bust, Frank.
Speaker 1: The other person we really debated hard downstairs ish hardish
Speaker 1: was Greg Olsen. Because greg Olsen, you had said he's
Speaker 1: quote on my do not draft list. You of course
Speaker 1: backtrack immediately. But when I remember North Turner was the
Speaker 1: offensive quarter, you should listen. He's not He's on my
Speaker 1: do not draft list. He was hurt all yet last year.
Speaker 1: They have Christian McCaffrey who's a year older and was
Speaker 1: amazing last year, and now they want to get him
Speaker 1: a billion touches a week to thirty according to run. Yeah,
Speaker 1: as it's a billion, you have Devin Funch is coming
Speaker 1: into his own. They drafted DJ Moore in the first round.
Speaker 1: So there's all these weapons. Greg Olds is gonna fall
Speaker 1: by the wayside. And I was really in the opposite
Speaker 1: camp that, hey, if he stays healthy, he's still Cam's guy,
Speaker 1: whether it's the red zone or not. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: still as good as ever. And yes, Christian McCaffrey is
Speaker 1: certainly there, but it's a team that's never utilized two
Speaker 1: wide receivers as much as they can be utilized. And
Speaker 1: I was still banking on Greg Olsen. So we disagreed here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I am worried about Greg Olsen. It's kind of
Speaker 1: similar to Evan Ingram and even a little bit with
Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey as well, Like I'm worried about target distribution
Speaker 1: for some of these guys because Greg Olsen, I mean,
Speaker 1: five straight years over a hundred targets, over a thousand yards,
Speaker 1: three seasons in a row. Last year was abysmal. He
Speaker 1: was hurt for most of the year. The production wasn't there.
Speaker 1: He was tied for twenty seven and points per game
Speaker 1: whatever Steen tight and four tight and six. Yes he
Speaker 1: was great, but that was with high volume. I mean,
Speaker 1: lead this team in targets on twenty seven Calvin Benjamin
Speaker 1: one eight team Ted Gin led this team in targets
Speaker 1: a hundred and twenty three Ted gain nineties six seven
Speaker 1: funches sixty four something is not going to add up
Speaker 1: here by end of year. Whether you know Christian mc
Speaker 1: half he is going to see a big decrease in targets,
Speaker 1: or you know, maybe it's d J. Moore coming in
Speaker 1: as a rookie and you know, maybe not doing much.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's what it comes down to. But you know,
Speaker 1: if you expect Devin Functs to still be the number
Speaker 1: one wide receiver, maybe not number one target on the outside,
Speaker 1: who's going to demand attention in the red zone? Demand targets.
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey nearly a hundred and twenty targets last year,
Speaker 1: led all of rookies. I'm just worried. I'm worried about
Speaker 1: workload here. How many opportunities is he gonna get He's
Speaker 1: another year older, a guy who was contemplating retirement in
Speaker 1: the off season had an offer to go into a
Speaker 1: broadcasting career. The one thing that I do like is
Speaker 1: that north Turner takes over as the offensive coordinator here,
Speaker 1: and we've seen him do wonders with tight ends a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago when Kyle Roudoff finished as tight
Speaker 1: end two. That was with north Turner as d o C.
Speaker 1: All those years within Antonio Gates getting things done with
Speaker 1: the San Diego Chargers, the then San Diego Chargers. That
Speaker 1: was with north Turner as the head coach, So he
Speaker 1: clearly gets the tight end involved. I'm just worried about
Speaker 1: one year older for Greg Olson. All these targets coming in, Uh,
Speaker 1: these are the best weapons that Cam Newton has ever
Speaker 1: had in his career. Like before he had to zone
Speaker 1: in on Greg olsens. So I'm just worried with that,
Speaker 1: worried about age. I think I've talked myself again into
Speaker 1: him being on my do not draft list. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna let just north Turner being there be the reason
Speaker 1: why I get in. I'm not gonna own any shares
Speaker 1: of Greg ols from the season. So the new weapon
Speaker 1: they have now is a rookie water receiver. But last
Speaker 1: year they had Punches, they had me Caffrey. They had
Speaker 1: basically the same offense minus d J. Moore. When greg
Speaker 1: Olson returned the final three games of the season last year,
Speaker 1: Greggy twelve targets, six targets, nine targets, and then the
Speaker 1: playoffs when it mattered most, he went twelve targets, eight catches,
Speaker 1: a hundred and seven yards and a touchdown. Cam Newton
Speaker 1: loves this guy even last year would have banged up foot,
Speaker 1: not playing at a hundred percent. Once he got back
Speaker 1: on the field, they threw him the ball, and they
Speaker 1: threw him the ball plenty. He didn't perform well in
Speaker 1: those three final games that I just referenced. In fact,
Speaker 1: in the regular season last year he had one game
Speaker 1: with over thirty yards and that was one. We had
Speaker 1: twelve catches for twelve targets I'm sorry, nine catches a
Speaker 1: hundred six yards in the TV. But then in the
Speaker 1: playoffs can't win a matter most Cam was going back
Speaker 1: to him here. In those final four games, including the playoffs,
Speaker 1: three or four of them he had over nine targets,
Speaker 1: and the one he didn't he had six. I don't
Speaker 1: think a rookie wall receiver is gonna change that. I
Speaker 1: think that they will find ways to get see him.
Speaker 1: Ce and Greg Olsen. The ball I have greg Olsen
Speaker 1: ranked is my number four tight end, and I while
Speaker 1: I'm not actively targeting him by any stretch because I
Speaker 1: keep waiting and just taking Burton and Rudolph, Um, I
Speaker 1: would draft him over every Ingram. I would draft him
Speaker 1: over Jimmy Graham. And I'm not too worried about it,
Speaker 1: all right, So there you go. I'm with you. When
Speaker 1: it comes to Greg Olson, I also want him ahead
Speaker 1: Jimmy Graham. I also feel comfortable with him. And now
Speaker 1: we get to the final one, and that's the Lady Walker.
Speaker 1: De Lady Walker, long time Titans tight end, long time
Speaker 1: success story. Um, but this is the one that feels
Speaker 1: to me like this you could just break down. And
Speaker 1: that's why, like in my in Scotts fishbol for instance,
Speaker 1: another best Ball draft, I think Johnny Smith got no
Speaker 1: one's taking, and he should because I think Delaney Walker,
Speaker 1: like one of these days at his age, the amount
Speaker 1: of wear and tear, he's gonna break down. And if
Speaker 1: if you're buying in the red zone in Green Bay
Speaker 1: and you like me Floria buying to Greg Olsen having
Speaker 1: renaissance and staying healthy this year. Then to me, Delanney
Speaker 1: Walker is the one that's just not going to ultimately
Speaker 1: had the year we used to him having Mikey. I mean,
Speaker 1: he hasn't played in less than fifteen games since two thousands.
Speaker 1: That's a long time it is. But to me, that
Speaker 1: kind of says he's very durable. But to me, I
Speaker 1: can't have him as a bus because, yes, what he
Speaker 1: did in fifteen, that was an anomaly when he had
Speaker 1: the ninety four catches one thousand eight yards and six touchdowns,
Speaker 1: but three of the other four years over eight hundred yards.
Speaker 1: Every single season he's gonna give you between like four
Speaker 1: to six touchdowns in that range. I know we only
Speaker 1: had the three last year, but every other year for
Speaker 1: the last four or five it's been four between four
Speaker 1: and seven. So I also and I know people are
Speaker 1: gonna hype up Corey Davis. Corey Davis returned last year
Speaker 1: on November five. From that point forward, Delaney Walker saw
Speaker 1: at least five targets in every single game. His per
Speaker 1: game stats during that stretch, we're six point nine targets
Speaker 1: per game, four point seven catches, fifty three point seven yards,
Speaker 1: and a third of a touchdown. His sixteen game pace.
Speaker 1: If you take away on the time where Corey Davis
Speaker 1: was out, there is a hundred and ten targets, seventy
Speaker 1: five catches, eight hundred and fifty nine yards, and five touchdowns.
Speaker 1: Delaney Walker just does what Delaney Walker does. It's not
Speaker 1: gonna be like super fun or exciting or pretty, but
Speaker 1: at the end of the year, I think you can
Speaker 1: bank on around seventy catches, uh eight hundred yards, four
Speaker 1: or five touchdowns, and he'll be a top tight end
Speaker 1: tight end one. I can't have him as a bus
Speaker 1: He also costs you the least of these four. You
Speaker 1: know what's craziest of this group, he's the safest in
Speaker 1: my opinion, I hear what you're saying, Greg, I think
Speaker 1: you own John HU Smith and like a keeper dynasty
Speaker 1: something like that, you get excited about it. And even
Speaker 1: if you take de Landy Walker in a Best Ball draft,
Speaker 1: one of these deeper ones, maybe take John H. Smith
Speaker 1: is like your tight end three, just as like a
Speaker 1: backup in case this does happen. Because Delaney Walker is older,
Speaker 1: but you know, extremely say four years in a row
Speaker 1: eight hundred or more receiving yards. Last year lad the
Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans in red zone targets with twelve was number
Speaker 1: one among tight ends in end zone targets share. Fifty
Speaker 1: percent of the end zone targets for the Tennessee Titans
Speaker 1: last year was Delandy Walker and he only had three touchdowns,
Speaker 1: So positive touchdown regression I think is coming. I think
Speaker 1: as safe a bet for seven hundred and fifty yards
Speaker 1: because maybe he regresses a little bit. He's had eight hundred,
Speaker 1: but seven hundred and fifty yards five six touchdowns extremely safe.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, Delandy Walker is the unsung hero of
Speaker 1: this group, Greggy, if I had to pick my busts,
Speaker 1: the guy that I'm scared of the most, it's Evan Ingram,
Speaker 1: and then it's Greg Olsen. Out of this group, the
Speaker 1: four that we spoke about today, Mike, it's Jimmy Graham.
Speaker 1: For me, it's gonna Jimmy Graham as well. All right, well,
Speaker 1: we're all over the place. For me, it's Jimmy Graham
Speaker 1: as well. I think ultimately we can see Jared Cook,
Speaker 1: like Jimmy Graham might have a good game here and
Speaker 1: then there, he's gonna fall apart. The final gift, Mike Florio.
Speaker 1: He's headed to l A. It's where the King's from, Lebron.
Speaker 1: Thank you, guys for Mike Florio. Enjoy it all Florio.
Speaker 1: If a more gifts tomorrow and what should be the
Speaker 1: farewell Florio show. Almost to be back for the Power
Speaker 1: Hour coming up at five pm Eastern and you're not
Speaker 1: gonna want to miss that for my Florida, Frank Staffell.
Speaker 1: We'll do it all again tomorrow, we hope,