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Speaker 1: It's time for the Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: Wall with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and

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Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. It is Thursday, May tenth, twenty eighteen, Season fourteen,

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Speaker 1: episode number seven. Welcome to another edition of the Break

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Speaker 1: Block from the s WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star

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Speaker 1: and we appreciate you guys taken some time with us

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Speaker 1: today to talk some Cowboys football. How's everybody doing this morning? Great? Great?

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Speaker 1: Doing great? Awesome? Get a fun golf outing yesterday? I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you guys after listening, we're able to

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Speaker 1: check out from Okay, we had a lot more fun

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Speaker 1: than than what it shows. Seriously, I've never seen understand

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Speaker 1: how that more miserable looking for people in my life. Well,

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Speaker 1: Dave just said that he was almost asleep. You know,

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Speaker 1: Dave kind of already has kind of the lean bad

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Speaker 1: was natural for you. Yeah, But the rest of you

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, a lot of we had a

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Speaker 1: good time, you know what. I still don't know, and

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Speaker 1: it was on camera. When Nick was dancing with his drink.

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Speaker 1: all good. Yeah, it was a good day though. Cowboys

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Speaker 1: went out there, played a little golf with some sponsors.

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Speaker 1: We were able to talk to a few guys on

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Speaker 1: the show. It's really nice lineup that we had there,

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Speaker 1: with guys like Zach Martin, Dak Prescott coach Garrett came

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Speaker 1: by Tyren Smith. When you planned something for three to

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Speaker 1: four weeks like that, it results show. Yeah. Usually when

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Speaker 1: It worked out well, yeah, and we'll do a little

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Speaker 1: anything for you Amber. Yeah, I'll think you had a

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Speaker 1: still out at the golf course drinking and dancing. Yeah. True,

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Speaker 1: and you know, Dak loves to go through his progressions

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Speaker 1: Welcome back. It's the second segment of The Break, live

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Speaker 1: from the SWBC Mortgage studios at the Star. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk a little bit of draft. I want to go

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Speaker 1: back a couple of years and we're gonna give draft

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Speaker 1: grades at the time. The draft grades really should be

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Speaker 1: given a few years after we've had a chance to

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Speaker 1: see these guys play. I want to start with twenty fourteen,

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Speaker 1: and I think the best way to handle this is

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go through the list and I want

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Speaker 1: you to tell me each of you to tell me

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Speaker 1: if the player was above, at or below stand expectations. So,

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Speaker 1: based upon the expectations of where they were drafted, what

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Speaker 1: you thought of where they were drafted, did they exceed that,

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Speaker 1: were they right where they should have been, or were

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Speaker 1: they below that? All right, before we get started, I'll

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Speaker 1: let you guys handle this because fourteen you were still

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Speaker 1: I don't know what their expectations were back then. I know,

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Speaker 1: I mean the players they are now. But to be honest,

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Speaker 1: this was my first draft that I was fully involved

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Speaker 1: and not knowledgeable of all the players. So you'll sit

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Speaker 1: back with me and I'll say this. You can't have

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Speaker 1: a complete cop out here because you know what expectations

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Speaker 1: are of a first round pick, a second round pick,

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Speaker 1: a seventh round pick, and so you know now you

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Speaker 1: know that they were actually has a great Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: a really good point. I can just give you the

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Speaker 1: number of the round and you can let's go, okay,

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Speaker 1: all right, here we go, first round, Zack Martin above

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Speaker 1: at or below expectations? What's above above? Can you go?

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Speaker 1: Three above? One of the best picks of all time,

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Speaker 1: one of the best picks in Cowboys history, especially give

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Speaker 1: reasons the alternative exactly. That's it, tell me the alternative.

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Speaker 1: It was Johnny Manziel and it was the owner who

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Speaker 1: wanted him, and he really wanted Johnny Manziel and he

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Speaker 1: had to be talked out of It was one of

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Speaker 1: the turning points I think of Steven Jones really taking

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Speaker 1: over a little bit more of this, not not completely,

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Speaker 1: but just having a little bit more, say more control Jerry.

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Speaker 1: And you gotta give Jerry credit too. It's hard for

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Speaker 1: somebody like his age to say I'm gonna step back

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Speaker 1: and do things differently. He would have picked him ten

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Speaker 1: years ago. He wanted him that bad, just they wanted

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Speaker 1: Jack Martin and to pick flashy quarterback and a guard

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Speaker 1: who doesn't like to talk totally different was one of

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Speaker 1: the best picks of all time. He's one of those

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Speaker 1: players that, I mean, he has everything you would want

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Speaker 1: in a player as far as how he plays, work ethic,

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Speaker 1: the way he behaves off the field, doesn't really have issues,

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Speaker 1: just a great guy on and off the field. I

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Speaker 1: tried to ask him yesterday about his new contract and

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Speaker 1: just threw it out kind yeah, I mean, I'm you know,

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Speaker 1: it was kind of weird. Shedding the impliyer ye strikes

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Speaker 1: back mentality. Let's say, let's let's get after it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: all right, second pick that year, that number thirty four

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Speaker 1: is defensive end Marcus Lawrence above at or below above.

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Speaker 1: But also you have to consider that you don't have

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Speaker 1: a third round pick from that draft because of him too,

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Speaker 1: so it's even more pricey for a second and third

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Speaker 1: essentially is it above this this past season? Really? I

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Speaker 1: mean you could debate about this if he hadn't just

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Speaker 1: posted fourteen and a half sacks. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: although I will say one you playoff game, one you

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Speaker 1: one of two playoff games in recent memory. Um, he

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Speaker 1: had a very solid season in twenty fifteen that kind

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Speaker 1: of gets forgotten about because people Randy Gregory and Greg

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Speaker 1: Hardy just kind of torpedoed that pass rush Um played

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Speaker 1: through injury like they all, I mean above, And he's

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Speaker 1: a good locker room guy, good character guy. UM pro

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Speaker 1: bowler last year kind of I mean, like I said,

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Speaker 1: he's been trending even higher later in his career and

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Speaker 1: you'd prefer to not have to put the tag on him,

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Speaker 1: but definitely well worth that move to get him, for sure.

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Speaker 1: What run did you say? Second? High second? Second pick

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Speaker 1: of number thirty four, the first rounder. Give me another

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Speaker 1: year to make my whole analysis. No, I was just

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Speaker 1: gonna say, it's just reliability type of thing, you know, Um,

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Speaker 1: can you fully rely on him? We're starting to find out.

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Speaker 1: And last year obviously was awesome and amazing. He's an

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Speaker 1: amazing player. But is he long term reliable? I don't

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Speaker 1: know yet. Yes, we don't know if he's got a

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Speaker 1: long term future here either. For that matter, in twenty

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Speaker 1: sixteen he was that is that the year? Suspend it

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Speaker 1: for the four year? Did he miss other games due

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Speaker 1: to injury that year? No? And that's thirteen. No, I

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Speaker 1: know that I'm saying now here though, I guess what

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to see? His thirteen high missed like eight.

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Speaker 1: He came back in November, okay, miss he played seven games? Yeah, yes,

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Speaker 1: I guess My point is I'm trying to figure out

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Speaker 1: the string. So if you're talking about reliability, it's now

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Speaker 1: been it's now been a year a season plus, which

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Speaker 1: is twelve games that he's been reliable, reliable, reliably there

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Speaker 1: and those four games at beginning season were not about injury.

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Speaker 1: That was to me kind of an adbiration. That's why

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Speaker 1: you know, those guys go so far out of there

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Speaker 1: and I'm all credit due to him, but they make

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Speaker 1: sure to praise him, like he could have gone on

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Speaker 1: I R in sixteen or at the very least sat out,

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Speaker 1: and he didn't, and his numbers were down because of it.

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Speaker 1: But he was there to be to play and start

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Speaker 1: and be a part of that team. Sorry, I think

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Speaker 1: he's at the expectation. I think he is because if

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Speaker 1: you would he they move up to trade him, and

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Speaker 1: that night that they're excited about getting this second round

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Speaker 1: pick at high second round and they lost their third

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Speaker 1: and to say, hey, in four years, he's going to

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Speaker 1: average less than six sacks a year. He's at twenty

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Speaker 1: three and a half. That he hasn't. I mean, he's

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Speaker 1: not sitting there even at six a year. I think that, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's a monster year and there's reasons for it. But

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Speaker 1: I think that he's he's at expectations pretty end of

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Speaker 1: the season. Ranked was it in sacks? Was a third

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Speaker 1: at the end of this season? Yeah? Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: any second Campbell beat him out. Yeah, I think as

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Speaker 1: he was second, it was him, Chandler Jones and Campbell.

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Speaker 1: If you would have said the night of that draft. Hey,

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Speaker 1: this guy in four or five years whatever it is,

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Speaker 1: five years, Yeah, he's going to lead. He's gonna be

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Speaker 1: second in the league in sacks. I would argue that

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Speaker 1: that's probably a little bit above what you would expect

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Speaker 1: from a second round pass rusher. Would you guys agree

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Speaker 1: with that? But again, thirty thirty, you're talking thirty four

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Speaker 1: or not fifty, and that's a different We also know

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Speaker 1: we all sat pick seventy whatever. We also know in

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Speaker 1: most drafts first round grades in the round nineteen eighteen, seventeen.

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Speaker 1: But he was as great as he as they thought

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Speaker 1: he would be before that that year, this last year,

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Speaker 1: they wouldn't have needed to draft Taco. They wouldn't need

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Speaker 1: more depth there. So you're saying, if you take the

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Speaker 1: body of the body of not just that one year,

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Speaker 1: if you take the body, and I think I'm glad

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Speaker 1: that we're going this way as opposed to a great

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Speaker 1: rookie year that's gone down. So, I mean, I'm not

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Speaker 1: we're not hating on him. I just think this is

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Speaker 1: it's at at is probably fair at maybe a little

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Speaker 1: bit above, especially because of the strength. I mean, how

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Speaker 1: good last season was, I mean it was phenomenal highest

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Speaker 1: sack total since Steaware was on the team. So okay uh.

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Speaker 1: Next one's fourth round pick at one nineteen was lineback

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Speaker 1: at a linebacker Anthony Hitchins above a way above fourth

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Speaker 1: round pick. Fourth round pick criticized that nobody, nobody liked

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Speaker 1: that pick when it was made, And I mean even

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Speaker 1: you know, me and Brian like who covered that? You're like,

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Speaker 1: we were like, I guess I know who this guy is. Whatever.

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Speaker 1: H Kelvin Smith was still on the board. Which Telvin

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Speaker 1: Smith has had a better career than Anthony Hichins. That's

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Speaker 1: another conversation. Pick one nineteen to be a four year starter,

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Speaker 1: never miss due to injury until his final year, jumped

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Speaker 1: right in as a rookie, played all three spots. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what else you want from a fourth

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Speaker 1: round pick. Now, I will say this, and I was

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Speaker 1: talking to Brian about this yesterday. He said, in the

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Speaker 1: scouting world, typically if you have a draft, when you

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Speaker 1: get three players and what I mean or three guys

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Speaker 1: that are contributed contributing to your team in a significant

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Speaker 1: way offense or defense in that in their first contract,

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Speaker 1: then you feel like that's a hit, that's really funny

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Speaker 1: that you say that, because look at the rest of

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Speaker 1: this draft. Yes, that's why I brought it up, because

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Speaker 1: I want to make sure we put this in context.

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Speaker 1: Now when you start talking about the grade of the draft,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have, missus. It's a part of having fit

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Speaker 1: six seventh round picks is that most of them are

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Speaker 1: not going to make it. The statistics across the league

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Speaker 1: say most of them are not gonna make it. It's

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Speaker 1: a bonus when you find one that does. You've got

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Speaker 1: five Pro Bowls in your first three picks in four years. Yes, right,

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Speaker 1: So that's if Zach was the only guy from this

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Speaker 1: draft that was still on the team, it would still

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Speaker 1: be an a in mind of how good he is. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's the best Garden football um. And but but he's

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Speaker 1: not because you have your best pass rusher too, So

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Speaker 1: I mean, and then you know, Hitchin's obviously moved on.

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Speaker 1: But again, like that's what the draft is, and you

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Speaker 1: got years of good production. Like you're not gonna keep

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Speaker 1: every player, but if you can get good production from

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Speaker 1: them during the time that they're under contract, that's still win. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: Devin Street Men Street Ben Gardner never made the team. Oh, sorry,

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Speaker 1: I know, and I think it's right. The Devin Street,

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Speaker 1: Ben Gardner, Will Smith the linebacker team, modd Dixon defensive back.

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Speaker 1: kN Bishop was a defensive tame who played a little

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Speaker 1: bit Kim Bishop, right, he was a bit player for

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Speaker 1: like a year. Yeah, and then you got Terrence Mitchell

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Speaker 1: the defensive back. Good great pick for the Kansas City Chiefs. Right,

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Speaker 1: turned into a pretty decent kN Bishop layer. I forgot

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Speaker 1: about bebop and rock Steady Hey when he Hey, you

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Speaker 1: know who he is. He's a guy that rock that.

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Speaker 1: This is how we do. When we did the media

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Speaker 1: day and Mindsel Jordan came out, are we allowed to

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Speaker 1: say that? Yeah? Anyways, Uh, we just couldn't we use

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Speaker 1: the music. Kid Bishop was rocketed. Yeah, one day we

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Speaker 1: may actually show you guys at videos. We have better

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Speaker 1: videos we've ever been. We just never could release it.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, it was disappointing that Devin Street didn't do more.

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Speaker 1: I think he finished with one touchdown um. But then

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Speaker 1: I mean you're talking about seventh round picks um, and

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Speaker 1: he didn't do anything anywhere else either. That's always a

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Speaker 1: good nat I shouldn't say good, but that's that's something

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Speaker 1: that letting Terrence Williams go or Terrence Mitchell go and

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Speaker 1: have him become a decent starter for another team. Right,

625
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Speaker 1: and then you're like, yeah, maybe we screwed that one up.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we just didn't do the right I'm made Dixon

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Speaker 1: made the team and got cut the next day. Ken

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Speaker 1: Bishop kicked around for like at least a year. Man,

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Speaker 1: I just remember that night they he went Terrence Williams.

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Speaker 1: The story is that they went to Waco, that they

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Speaker 1: made the team on Saturday. Yeah, because Baylor was opening

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Speaker 1: its season like that night or when Taylor played a game.

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Speaker 1: He went down. They were Terrence and they were like

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Speaker 1: we gotta get back eight am Sunday morning. You gotta

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Speaker 1: get back. And Terrence got back and the mod was like,

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Speaker 1: I'll get a ride there and he didn't. And that

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Speaker 1: was the last straw. And that was his rookie year.

638
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: And so he was that your rookie year as a

639
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: seventh round pick who made the team. And he he

640
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: just sleep. He was just a head hunter. He would

641
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: have lost so much money though, because he was gonna

642
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: get fined. He didn't know how to play any other way. Yeah,

643
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: all right, let's move on. Let's talk about twenty fifteen.

644
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: So I guess, just to wrap that one up, if

645
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: you look at the two thousand and fifteen draft, let's

646
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: do it just for the heck of it. Let's give

647
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: it a grade. Let's go around the table, lamber ay A, okay,

648
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: A plus, okay A. Because you've got your one of

649
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: your your top two defensive players on the team, and

650
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: you're I don't know, it's hard to say Zach marge

651
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: one of your top offensive players, but he's the most

652
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: consistent if you look at if you was that hard

653
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: to say, No, Well, yeah, you've got You've got Tying,

654
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: and you've got and you've got Zeke and all this

655
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: stuff right now in terms of production, availability, Yeah, everything.

656
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's he's probably the best player

657
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: on this team. Yeah, I mean, we had that argument.

658
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,239
Speaker 1: We had that argument about Zeke and Tyring last year.

659
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: It's been an All Pro every year, first or second

660
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: team All Pro, not Pro Bowl All Pro. Yeah, that's

661
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,479
Speaker 1: that's huge, Like that's and then then to have one

662
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: of the top pass rushers in the league, that's great.

663
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: Now Hitchens is on another team, but but you got

664
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: the use of production very great. That was a good draft. Okay, good,

665
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: let's move on fifteen. Um. Let's start first the first

666
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: round pick Byron Jones at above or below expectations. Hello, Hello, Hello,

667
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: but not as drastically below as the hive mind wants

668
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: you to think like. It's. I mean, it's been a

669
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: disappointing run for him to this point. He's got two picks,

670
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: he's had to move positions, but he's been available, he's played,

671
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: he's made contributions. Again, you're talking about d Law is

672
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: a second round Go well, this dude was only picked

673
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: five spots or six spots in front of d Law,

674
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: So I just I'm not letting him off the hook.

675
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: He's below what you would expect from the twenty seventh

676
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: overall pick, but he is not this like Mo Claiborne

677
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: style horrifically no good, terrible bust in my opinion. And

678
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: that's because of placement, right, more so because play well.

679
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: Placement is well, you have to go up and get

680
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: him at sitting. Not only that, but he's never missed

681
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: a game. He's great at covering tight ends. He can play,

682
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: he's played in the slot, he's played dime, he's played safety,

683
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: he's played corner like he can He's done a lot

684
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: of different stuff for you, so have a hard time

685
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: just saying he's terrible. He's clear. I mean, he hasn't

686
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: been benched. He's played every game of his career. He's

687
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: again like a good locker room dude. He's never given

688
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: you cause for concern off the field. Well, I have

689
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: a column idea that I was I've been thinking of.

690
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to throw it out here,

691
00:32:58,280 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: but yeah, let's go and write it right here on

692
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: the air. I'm basically comparing him, possibly comparing him to

693
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: flows Ll Adams. Here's why Flozell Adams played four years.

694
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: He was a thirty seventh overall pick, not far from

695
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: where this is where Byron was picked. Mood positions a

696
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: little bit was guard, and he knew he was gonna

697
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: be a tackle, moved him to guard. It was not

698
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: very good. After four years, it was like, okay, Parcel

699
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: shows up two thousand and three, says, what's your top priority.

700
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: He's like, well, my top priority is the sign flows

701
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: Ll Adams and everyone was like, what he's like his

702
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: premiere left tackle. You can't that. They don't grow on trees.

703
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: You can find him like wow, Okay, and he was

704
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: really and he was right obviously. After that kind of

705
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: gave them the confidence. Flows out went five Pro Bowls

706
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: of the next six years. The only year he didn't

707
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: because he got hurt. I mean, he was a premiere

708
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: left tackle, one of the best enfranchise history. And I

709
00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: wonder if Christopher Shard came in and said, oh, okay,

710
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: well let's let's let you know, Byron go why didn't

711
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: you write this go up right now, get off and say,

712
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: dear option And I was like, no, no, no, no, no,

713
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: we need this guy. That's the kind of corner. I like,

714
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: how many small corners did you see from Seattle? Not really,

715
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,919
Speaker 1: you saw big bulky corners, long arms. He's like moving

716
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: the corner. This is a guy, and maybe this is

717
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: we'll see you know. But I mean, Christoph Shardon knows

718
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: what he's doing. He looked at him and I've seen

719
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: it before, right, guy everybody was kind of down on

720
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 1: could totally change things around. So I'm wondering about that.

721
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: That's really that's great. It's a great point. And now, um,

722
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: Byron is one of the smartest dudes on this team. Uh,

723
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: he's a good guy. He's he's the most absurdly athletic

724
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: person I've ever met, Like his career is gonna last

725
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: as long as he wants it to, Like he could

726
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 1: be playing up to toward forty like Terrence Newman as

727
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: far as I'm concerned. So I have a hard time

728
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 1: in closing the book on his viability heading into year four. Yeah,

729
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: I'm very excited. That's one of the guys. I'm very

730
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: excited to watch a training camp this year because I

731
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: want to see if given be careful though, because he

732
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: was lights out at training camp last year. I mean,

733
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: it was amazing. The only thing, the only thing I

734
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: want to see though, is I want to see how

735
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: he adapts to playing. If them saying you are going

736
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: to be a cornerback, how does he adapt to that?

737
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,879
Speaker 1: And I want to see how does that affect those

738
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: other younger guys, Like are they how do they work?

739
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: Are they going to try to work them all in?

740
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 1: Or is it going to be Byron's gonna solidify one

741
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 1: of these spots, which means one of those other two

742
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: guys will not be starting. Maybe one gets pushed back

743
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: to safety. Who knows all I'm saying is I think

744
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: that's going to be one of the more intriguing things

745
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: to follow this year at training campus, how Byron adjust

746
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: and how that affects all the other younger guys that

747
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: are on this roster at cornerback. You know, that's something

748
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: I don't get, Like, how do you get to play?

749
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: You're doing super good at training camp and then it

750
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: just kind of disappears throughout the season without the presence

751
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: of an injury, you know, affecting the way he plays

752
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: because because he goes up and he shuts down Alan

753
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: hearns and everyone thinks of this is really great, and

754
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Larry FitzGeralds on the other side,

755
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: and it's like, wait a second, like a little different

756
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: we don't have. That's one way that happens. We've all

757
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 1: been burned by Mold Claiborne. You're right, Mo Claiborne a

758
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: couple years ago. It's no different than if you're if

759
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: you play somebody the same, the same person every day,

760
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: no matter how good they are, you're gonna get good

761
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: enough to cover them. Right. So it's like the vision

762
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: playing why the teams in the division plays so well

763
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: exactly Like if I'm playing my brother when I was

764
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: a kid, my brother might be able to kick everybody

765
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 1: in the neighborhoods. But whatever. But if I'm playing him

766
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 1: every day, even though he's older, I'm gonna get better

767
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: at playing him because i know what he likes to

768
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: do and I'm gonna be able to stop that. So

769
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 1: God can look really good in training camp and then

770
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: he gets the other teams and had Olympics. I believe

771
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: that we went all in sounds exhausting, all in, Dave,

772
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: that's not your thing. No, You're like, I'm so out

773
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 1: on that. No, all right, um, let's move on. Let's

774
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: talk about the second round pick at number sixty, Randy Gregory.

775
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: Obviously Bello. I mean this a who's the next one?

776
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: Nobody nobody loves, Nobody loves Will McClay more than I do.

777
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: I think he's one of the best things that's happened

778
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: to this franchise. But I mean this, spoiler alert, this

779
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: is not a great draft. It's just not because following

780
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory ran third round, Jazz one is Jazz Green.

781
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: So you got I mean Randy Gregory, who has played

782
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: in like nine career games with one sack. Chaz Green,

783
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: who I believe the line of logic on him when

784
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: he was picked, was that he would be the air

785
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: apparent to Doug Free. Uh. He missed his rookie year

786
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: with an injury. He played in two games in twenty sixteen,

787
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: and then last year we know what happened. He's the

788
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: only U you know, the quarterbacks have records. He's got,

789
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: He's oz and one. He has an L on his name. Well,

790
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 1: to here's the fans, it wasn't because of the way

791
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: he played. What I'm talking about Randy Gregory. Oh I

792
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 1: was talking about Oh, I thought he went back to

793
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: Randy Oh. I mean we can go back to want

794
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: to sorry, but they talked, well, I'll talk crap about

795
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory all the time. I mean, not really crap,

796
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: but because of you know, the excitement people have bringing

797
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 1: him by him. But again to his defense, what I

798
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 1: was saying, it wasn't necessarily an issue of him being

799
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: a bad player on the field. No, who wrote the

800
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 1: story astray you? Yeah, well, let's talk about it. But

801
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: that's but he didn't fall in the draft because he

802
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: was a bad player, right yeah, well yeah, I mean

803
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: his name came up in the press conference. There's not

804
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: really it's I mean, Gregory's gaining steam in his attempt

805
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: to apply for reinstatement. I know, you know a lot

806
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: of people in and around the organization are going to

807
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: bat for him, Tyrone Crawford, Shaun Lee Um. He has

808
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: not applied yet, and bait. I mean, the Cowboys did

809
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: not offer a lot of clarity about that process. It

810
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:53,240
Speaker 1: sounds like Stephen Jones said, we're just bystanders until further notice.

811
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: M So that's between Randy and the league and I

812
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 1: don't really know a whole lot other than that. I

813
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds like he's got a good shot

814
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: at it. Whenever it actually happens, well, you know, we'll

815
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: see if he's at training camp. That's pretty much. But

816
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 1: I mean I made my thoughts on it pretty clear yesterday.

817
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: I mean, if he can get back, you don't have

818
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 1: a whole lot to lose by giving him a chance. So,

819
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: but you'd be making an awfully big mistake if you're

820
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: like counting on it as a key to your success, right.

821
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: I would have said zero percent chance, but you know

822
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: it's still kind of small percent chance. But I like

823
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: what we saw out of Cleveland. Josh Gordon was able

824
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: to do it. He was able to play. I never

825
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 1: thought that would happen, and he played pretty well. He's

826
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: a freak. But you know what, so Randy Gregory can

827
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: be kind of considered that too, wasn't he wasn't he

828
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: better before that than Randy. Yes, Josh Gordon led the league,

829
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: And that's my point. Like so, I think it, and

830
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: I think yesterday that was the point of the question

831
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: that I ask you guys when I say it, are

832
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: there And I know Rob came back and said, Dwight Freeney,

833
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: but yeah, Blake Freeney's going to Hall of Fame. Like,

834
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 1: I don't think we've seen yet Randy Gregory before that,

835
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: he hadn't developed yet to where you even say he's

836
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: a good player now. Like so now him coming back

837
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: after being out, that's the part where I just have

838
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: very low expectations of what that's fine. Throw him in

839
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: on that mix of preseason games he was he was

840
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: destroying second and third team tackles, getting all these sacks,

841
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: and then didn't get one the rest of the season.

842
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 1: So he did get hurt in the season opener, Okay,

843
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 1: but I'm just I mean, okay, other ten games, I

844
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 1: feel like, well, he didn't he missed like the month

845
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: and a half half. He actually he did well with

846
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: some pressures. He wasn't bad guys. Guys like the guys

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Speaker 1: that big who can bend like that don't grow on trees.

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Speaker 1: That's all I know. And that's why he's gonna get

849
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851
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,759
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Speaker 1: I mean, he does, he needs to put on some weight. Well,

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen the guy since December of twenty six

854
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Speaker 1: And there's probably a reason why he couldn't. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's I don't Jerry Jerry Jones had a great quote

857
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Speaker 1: And he was like, but he's a hell of a

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Speaker 1: football player, and like that's where this whole conversation goes

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Speaker 1: back to. So anyway, all right, let's take our final break,

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913
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914
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,440
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915
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Speaker 1: Protect the Ball. I like that. I don't think I

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923
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: Did you pick the ball? Just whatever those messages are,

924
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925
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Speaker 1: it when it says be relentless, good night's sleep or whatever. No,

926
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Speaker 1: the ball doesn't really mean much for you. I'm not

927
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: I'm not playing. Yeah, yeah, okay, all right, let's jump

928
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: back into this. Tommy John is and Tommy John always

929
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: protects the ball. We got it, Nick, Thanks appreciate good

930
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: twelve And it was twelve that was that was up there.

931
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Speaker 1: That was like a nine. Tell me to nine point three?

932
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Speaker 1: All right, all right, nine point three. We really have

933
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Speaker 1: to start doing that. We should. If you want it, twelve,

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00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: hand it over here. Hey, they did come out with

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936
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: I want to know what all the fuss is about. Well,

937
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: we'll just wait because if that's the case, somebody on

938
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: this team, we'll figure out a way to get some

939
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 1: to everybody. So I would imagine we're on it. We'll

940
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Speaker 1: make a phone call, see what we can do. How

941
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: about that? All right? All right, let's jump back and

942
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: let's talk about two thousand and fifteen. Uh, the twenty

943
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 1: and fifteen draft we've talked about Byron Jones, Randy Gregory,

944
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 1: and Chaz Green, all three you guys said performed below expectations.

945
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: Let's move to the fourth round pick at one twenty seven.

946
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: The Cowboys select Damien Wilson above below or at expectations?

947
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: This is an interesting one. Is he below because he

948
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: really hasn't been that good? Or is he below because

949
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 1: he was drafted in the same spot a year later

950
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:45,280
Speaker 1: from the same conference, at the same position as Anthony Hitchins,

951
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: who was above. We all agreed vastly exceeded his expectations.

952
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, he's okay, he's been. He's

953
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 1: been a spot starter and a contributor all four years

954
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: he played, or all three years to this point. He's

955
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 1: big on special teams. Like I said, he's started at

956
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: SAM He's played pretty well there at times, He's filled

957
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 1: in in a couple other spots. Never been good enough

958
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: to earn more of a role. And by this point

959
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: in his career, if he was going to he I

960
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: feel like he would have made that leap. The thing

961
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: with the arrest last summer kind of not great. So

962
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: I just I've said this a while ago. Nothing has changed.

963
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 1: I mean, those to the top three moments or that

964
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 1: you think of anything relating to Damian Wilson are all negative.

965
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 1: You know, he had the paintball incident before he had

966
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: parking lot incident, which was a lot more than that,

967
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: gave up a game winning touchdown and you know to

968
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: running back out of the backfield of the Saints. I mean,

969
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: he hasn't had when the difference making things have not

970
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: been a good thing for him. So no, that's I

971
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 1: was laying all that out there for the sake of

972
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: playing Devil's advocate. It's still probably fair to say below,

973
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: but it's like a little bit more production. When he

974
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 1: was drafted, I think the expectation was, at the very

975
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: least if and when Hitchens was no longer here, he

976
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 1: would step right in instead. The Cowboys been a first

977
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: round pick on Layton vander Esh to me around the

978
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 1: year before. Yeah, to me, those are the things that

979
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 1: suggests to me that the Cowboys see him as not

980
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: living up to what they're there. Their greatest expectation for

981
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 1: him would have been. Now, of course, fourth round picks

982
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 1: or fourth round picks, some of them pan out, some

983
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: of them don't. But I think that coming off of Hitchens,

984
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: it makes it even more apparent that he just wasn't

985
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 1: that guy. It's more of a contrast, but I mean,

986
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,320
Speaker 1: you need you need players that are gonna like you know,

987
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: he's knew Kyle Wilburg as far as I'm concerned, Like,

988
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: he can start if you need him too, he can play,

989
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: he can do stuff on special teams. Um, and that

990
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: doesn't make him a bad pick because he's still on

991
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: the team and contributing. He's just not He's not Anthony Hinchins.

992
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 1: That's so at that point, do you think it's at

993
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: do you think do you think a fair assessment for

994
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 1: him is that he's at expectation for a fourth round pick.

995
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: I think he's below expectations. They draft like you said that,

996
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: they drafted Vanderesh, they signed Joe Thomas in the offseason.

997
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: He's been more productive than then. Um, I mean they

998
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 1: went back to get Durant Wilson, they went, They've gone.

999
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: You're right, you're not gonna put you don't want to

1000
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: put super high expectations on your fourth round pick. But

1001
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,399
Speaker 1: that's still a guy that you're hoping can develop into

1002
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 1: a starter. Okay, i'd say below, you're trying to find

1003
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: somebody that's not below. It's it's kind of tough. These

1004
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: next three will lump him together. Defensive end Ryan Russell, linebacker,

1005
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: Mark Zacha, offensive tackle Lawrence Gibson. I take a little

1006
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: bit of offense to that, okay, because Lawrence Gibson never

1007
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: played a game for this team, and Ryan Russell was

1008
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: cut like one week into his rookie season. I think,

1009
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: wasn't he was it that quick? So now he's in

1010
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,919
Speaker 1: the practice squad for his rookie year that he played,

1011
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: he played one career game here, That's all I know.

1012
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 1: And he's but that's below expectations, right, Well, No, the

1013
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: reason I take exception is because Mark me Zacha was

1014
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: better than that as a as a seventh round as

1015
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: a seventh round pick who was a red shirt because

1016
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: he had torn his ACL and was basically a wash

1017
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: for his rookie year. He came back, was on the

1018
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: team in sixteen, played a role on special teams, made

1019
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 1: the team, um made some plays, and they brought him

1020
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: back again until they eventually cut him the year after that.

1021
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: I mean, that's so for him, you think it was

1022
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: above expectations round pick. I call that above expectations considering

1023
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 1: Lawrence Gibson did not even make the team. I mean,

1024
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 1: seventh round picks don't make the team all and really

1025
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,919
Speaker 1: that's at expectations. Seventh round pick is a flyer. You're

1026
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,919
Speaker 1: just bringing a guy and you gone, especially a hurt player.

1027
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 1: I put Mark above, and they tried to put him

1028
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: on their practice squad this year and he was poached,

1029
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: so it's not even like they wanted to get rid

1030
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 1: of him. Yeah. So so Ryan Russell, where do you

1031
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: put him below or at expectations below below? Yeah, that's

1032
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: a fifth round pick that that was a guy that

1033
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 1: they liked, probably at a Dallas day, and you know

1034
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: it probably was never as good as should have been

1035
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: taken that high. Okay, and now the highlight of this

1036
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: draft Jeff Swain that when the best pick of your

1037
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 1: draft is the last one, that's not great. And he

1038
00:49:56,520 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: hasn't really been good. He's been good enough to I know,

1039
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 1: but I think he has not been good and you

1040
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: don't have to raise that high. He hasn't been that good.

1041
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: He was picked two thirty then, okay, that sounds good,

1042
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 1: but he's not a difference maker. He had, but a

1043
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,280
Speaker 1: seventh pick is not typically going to be a different

1044
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: I'm going to give him the arrow up expectations. Yes,

1045
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: I thought he was drafted because he was a friend

1046
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: of Stephen Jones's daughter or whatever. I thought that was

1047
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 1: the connection or whatever. He was drafted because he played

1048
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: a stellar school. You didn't even know who he was,

1049
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: and he did not know he was. But that's beside

1050
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 1: Brugler didn't know who he was, right, I mean, but

1051
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: Texas didn't use him. They didn't use him at all.

1052
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,399
Speaker 1: He has he been better than he thought? Yes, because

1053
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: I didn't think he'd even make the team. But has

1054
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Speaker 1: he been good? Nobody's played a role. He's played a role.

1055
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 1: And that's the thing. I'm the seventh rounder that can

1056
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: play a role. To me, that tighten is going to

1057
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 1: be allowed to be good with With Whitten him back,

1058
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: I didn't call him back. Hadn't been good, that's not bad,

1059
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,879
Speaker 1: not bad. What he hasn't been good, it's not bad.

1060
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: That means he was picked two thirty something. He made

1061
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: the team on a team where the tight end never

1062
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 1: comes off the field. I remember vividly he converted a

1063
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: fourth down in Washington when this team was oo and

1064
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: one in twenty sixteen. Right, He's a big part of

1065
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: Deck's play action and waggle stuff in twenty sixteen until

1066
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 1: he got hurt, until he got second You can't have

1067
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 1: big part of it. If he can't, can you pull

1068
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: up his staff, pull up his damn stats. He was

1069
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 1: he was a part of it. Was he was a

1070
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: part like he had a part to play. There's a

1071
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: different mass haters right now. There's a big difference of Wait,

1072
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 1: why why does it have to be one or the other?

1073
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 1: I mean, why does that have to be black or

1074
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 1: white here? Why if he's not good, does it mean

1075
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: he's bad? No? Okay, on a team, it's great, he's been.

1076
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: He's been on a team where Jason Witten plays ninety

1077
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: seven percent of the snaps. He started six games and

1078
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: caught six passes for seventy yards in in in nine weeks.

1079
00:51:58,280 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: What's that? Did you say he was targeted to say

1080
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: times and caught six? Now he was his target. He

1081
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,800
Speaker 1: was targeted eight times and caught six passes for seventy

1082
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 1: yards nine six starts, nine games, got hurt in Pittsburgh

1083
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: and couldn't finish the season. So it gets start. I mean,

1084
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:18,399
Speaker 1: I'm not hating on the guys. End. Yeah, I think

1085
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 1: on this team with who you had a t say

1086
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: it was bad either. Remember I'm not saying it's bad.

1087
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: I don't know This goes bad, drawing little arrows up

1088
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: and down Wilson's name and Jeoff Swain. For me, I

1089
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: would just drove a flat arrow, like a flat horizontal line.

1090
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 1: This goes bad. It's not his fault. It's like okay,

1091
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 1: like okay, okay, he no, he what's an arrow? For me?

1092
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,399
Speaker 1: He gets an arrow. I didn't think he'd make the team.

1093
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: I didn't think he'd be here in three years he has.

1094
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: He gets an arrow. But I'm just saying, let's just

1095
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 1: call it what it is. It hasn't been good yet.

1096
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,760
Speaker 1: It might be he's gonna get a chance now Again again,

1097
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:03,240
Speaker 1: I'm saying it's bad. Guy the seventh round pick drafted

1098
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 1: before him never meant. He didn't get a jersey? Was

1099
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: rush good last year? Was he good? Yeah? He was

1100
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: good in the season and the games and all. That's

1101
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: not good. How many backup quarterbacks get to play in

1102
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:16,760
Speaker 1: a game because when it's not because of an injury.

1103
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,439
Speaker 1: This is an argument we've had like a dozen times

1104
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 1: on this show. Nick doesn't great on a curve and

1105
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: I do Nick. Nick is just like are you good

1106
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 1: or are you're not good? And I'm like you were

1107
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 1: picked ten spots away from the end of the draft

1108
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: and you're still here contributing four years later. What's the

1109
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: test is? The test is get in the league. Go

1110
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: I come from Central Michigan and get in the league

1111
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:36,399
Speaker 1: and make the team. If that's the test, he gets

1112
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: an A plus. If the test is now, we've got

1113
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: a different test. The test is how you play on

1114
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: the field. He gets an incomplete because he didn't get

1115
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 1: to play. That's not his fault. The test is where

1116
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 1: were you take? Like, where did they find you and

1117
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 1: what did you do? That's like Tony Romo gets a

1118
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: better grade than quarterbacks that are taken one overall in

1119
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:57,280
Speaker 1: my opinion, again because of where it all, how it started.

1120
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,439
Speaker 1: He didn't. Over his course of his career, he didn't.

1121
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: He didn't get it. But when when you're evaluating it

1122
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: in terms of a draft, I'm not saying Tory Romo

1123
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,919
Speaker 1: had a better career than Troy Aikman. Don't get me wrong.

1124
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Okay, I think we're all saying the same thing.

1125
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: I think would have thought that Swain was Sparks touch up,

1126
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: who swam slander. That's pretty much. Oh, I'm sure I'm

1127
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: gonna get the you know, I'm gonna get the Jeff

1128
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 1: Swain's parents or whatever. But what I'm saying is is

1129
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 1: that at this point it hasn't been good, it hasn't

1130
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: really been productive, but he's made the team and he's

1131
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:35,479
Speaker 1: now he's got a chance to really be good because

1132
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: he's got an option. But that's all I'm saying. I

1133
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: do I think, I do think I agree with Dave

1134
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: from standpoint. I think it's above expectations because I didn't

1135
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 1: expect him to be able to come in. And I

1136
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 1: do think he has a role on this team. Now

1137
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,399
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that he plays Jason's role. He didn't

1138
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 1: play Jason Witten's role, but he's played his role, and

1139
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 1: I think his role has been you're gonna be that

1140
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 1: second tight end, You're gonna block some gonna go out

1141
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: and catch a few passes like that's been his role.

1142
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 1: And again, done it decent? Okay. But if if you're

1143
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: if your child comes at home and you, for whatever

1144
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 1: the reason, you expected them to really fail the test.

1145
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: You expect them to fail that because they didn't study

1146
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:11,800
Speaker 1: or this is not their subject or whatever it is,

1147
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: and they got a sixty seven or whatever, that's not good.

1148
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:17,919
Speaker 1: But that's better than you thought it was. It's still

1149
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 1: not good. We're gonna get too good. We're gonna keep

1150
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:21,800
Speaker 1: working to get too good. But this isn't the opposite.

1151
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 1: But don't you expect that everyone you draft why to

1152
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 1: be to do their role? Don't you expect it? Because obviously,

1153
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:32,280
Speaker 1: I mean, that should be the expectation if you're drafting someone, anyone,

1154
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 1: that should be your expectation that they are able to do.

1155
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 1: Let's let's compromise. Let's compromise and acknowledge that these are

1156
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 1: two different conversations. They really are in this frame of

1157
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: like what are you doing for the Cowboys? That's completely

1158
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: different than looking at the twenty fifteen draft class again

1159
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 1: like ninety percent of seventh round picks never make the

1160
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: team right, And again you go back to you don't

1161
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 1: have a role. You go back to that, you go

1162
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: back to the drafty. I married the two. What I

1163
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: said was, it's just to put them a kapper on

1164
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 1: how bad that was your Your best draft pick of

1165
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 1: that of that group is Jeff Swing. That is your

1166
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,399
Speaker 1: best draft pick. I think Byron Byron is still better,

1167
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: but Byron is playing more. But I think but I

1168
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,280
Speaker 1: think the how is a better pick is he's getting

1169
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 1: the arrow to say the things that Byron has done.

1170
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 1: He hasn't been great at safety, but as Dave was

1171
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: saying earlier, he's shown us something when it comes to

1172
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 1: covering tight ends. He's done something well. Who has exceeded

1173
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: expectations the most Jeff swam So the guy that's exceeded

1174
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: the expectations the most is still not somebody that's contributing

1175
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 1: hasn't contributed much at all. That just goes to show

1176
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: how bad the draft was. That's all I'm trying to say.

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00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 1: It was he's going to be better, He's going to

1178
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: get the chance that he's not good, he hasn't been good.

1179
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: Six catches for seven yards good, there's nothing to move

1180
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:53,439
Speaker 1: on to. We're done. I thought they did some good things,

1181
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 1: but did they do bad things? It was this is

1182
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: an atrocious draft. I mean, it's just it's not good.

1183
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 1: But I like Jeff swiam too. Like the other day

1184
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,800
Speaker 1: when you were up your mind, if I told you

1185
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 1: I think I think Jarwin's gonna start if I, oh yeah,

1186
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: I wouldn't surprised you. I wouldn't be surprised if any

1187
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: one of those guys. I really wouldn't. If I told

1188
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: you Connor Williams was the pick at nineteen two weeks ago,

1189
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: how did you feel about it? Pretty good? If I

1190
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 1: tell you Connor Williams is the pick at fifty, how

1191
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 1: do you feel about There we go and when you're

1192
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: talking about a guy two thirty, I get still doing stuff?

1193
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 1: What third? Right? What if I told you Connor Williams

1194
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 1: was the pick at fifty, but you could have had

1195
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas? Still okay with that? Yeah? I am too,

1196
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 1: actually yeah with that, with that scenario. Yeah, but that

1197
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 1: scenario now, and if you would have gotten the safety

1198
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: that that was maybe on the on the board, and

1199
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: you tell me I could have gotten Earl Thomas or

1200
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 1: the safety didn't not take Earl Thomas? Right? Yeah, that

1201
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: Conor Williams. That was a Justin Reid. Yeah, oh crap.

1202
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 1: I want to say, third round Houston? He went to Houston?

1203
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 1: Um like end of the second beginning? Um, yeah, I

1204
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 1: think Nick, somebody's paying Nick to just mention Earl Thomas

1205
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 1: once per show. I feel like I know he's gonna

1206
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 1: keep doing it until we get written up for tampering

1207
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 1: or something. I don't know. Fine, all right, we appreciate

1208
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Speaker 1: you guys joining us. We'll be back next week for

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Speaker 1: another episode of The Break. Till then for Nick Eatman,

1210
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Speaker 1: Dave Hellman, Amber Garcia, I'm Derek Hughltson. This has been

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