WEBVTT - Jaden Smith Gets Trippy 0:00:15.436 --> 0:00:23.876 Pushkin, Jaden Smith's proved to be so much more than 0:00:23.916 --> 0:00:27.876 just the sum of his famous parents. At twenty three, 0:00:28.156 --> 0:00:30.516 he spent more than half his life working as an actor, 0:00:30.756 --> 0:00:35.156 a musician, and an entrepreneur. Jaden co founded the sustainable 0:00:35.196 --> 0:00:38.076 water company Just Water when he was only twelve years old. 0:00:38.556 --> 0:00:47.716 It's now valued at one hundred million dollars. I'm thinking 0:00:47.796 --> 0:00:59.116 about you every day. I think it's just Since the 0:00:59.196 --> 0:01:02.436 release of Jaden's debut mixtape in twenty twelve, he's gone 0:01:02.476 --> 0:01:05.396 on to put out three studio albums that loosely follow 0:01:05.476 --> 0:01:10.076 a semi autobiographical character named Sire, who Chase's sun sets 0:01:10.236 --> 0:01:14.756 after a painful breakup. Jaden's latest album, Cool Tape Volume 0:01:14.796 --> 0:01:18.916 three Day Tripper's Edition, picks up with Sire's personal journey, 0:01:19.276 --> 0:01:23.356 but this time around set to a psychedelic rock inspired soundscape. 0:01:23.836 --> 0:01:27.156 On today's episode, Jaden talks to Rick Rubin about an 0:01:27.156 --> 0:01:29.876 ex girlfriend who inspired him to embrace the sixties and 0:01:29.916 --> 0:01:33.756 seventies classic rock sound that influenced his latest album. He 0:01:33.796 --> 0:01:36.916 also explains how recording with live musicians as opposed to 0:01:36.956 --> 0:01:40.676 building tracks digitally, brought a new found energy to this project, 0:01:41.156 --> 0:01:43.756 and Jaden also tells Rick how growing up at Malibu 0:01:44.116 --> 0:01:47.356 allows him to feel intimately connected to the Beach Boys. 0:01:51.236 --> 0:01:53.996 This is broken record liner notes for the digital Age. 0:01:54.116 --> 0:02:02.796 I'm justin Richmond. Here's Rick Rubin and Jaden Smith. Who's 0:02:02.836 --> 0:02:05.956 been going on main How are you bro? Thank you 0:02:05.996 --> 0:02:08.156 so much for having me. I'm glad we're doing this. 0:02:08.196 --> 0:02:09.956 I was. I can't remember i was, but I saw 0:02:10.716 --> 0:02:13.476 a flyer up for your new projects, like, oh we 0:02:13.476 --> 0:02:17.596 should talk. Wow, Oh thank you man. Yeah, I've I've 0:02:17.596 --> 0:02:20.036 been putting them up like in Malibu and like just 0:02:20.076 --> 0:02:22.996 all around nice. Yeah, tell me what's been going on. 0:02:23.076 --> 0:02:26.356 How was the process of making this one different than 0:02:26.396 --> 0:02:30.036 the previous ones? So, you know, with this one, I 0:02:30.156 --> 0:02:33.676 feel like I was really trying to dive into just 0:02:34.596 --> 0:02:37.476 into music theory and to learning about the history of music. 0:02:38.196 --> 0:02:40.836 And I feel like with the other ones that I 0:02:40.876 --> 0:02:43.356 was kind of just like, hey, you know, this is 0:02:43.356 --> 0:02:44.916 how I feel about things that are going on in 0:02:44.916 --> 0:02:46.476 my life right now, and I'm going to kind of 0:02:46.476 --> 0:02:49.236 talk about it. And you know, with Sire, for example, 0:02:49.676 --> 0:02:52.636 that one was all about like heartbreak in like a 0:02:52.716 --> 0:02:55.356 relationship that had gone through, and it was kind of 0:02:55.396 --> 0:02:58.796 about like the aftermath of that relationship with what happened 0:02:58.796 --> 0:03:01.516 to me afterwards, and I kind of just went fully 0:03:01.516 --> 0:03:03.236 into that, but just kind of in a place of like, hey, 0:03:03.276 --> 0:03:05.876 you know, these are my influences, this is what I like, 0:03:05.996 --> 0:03:07.556 this is the type of music that I make. And 0:03:08.076 --> 0:03:11.356 with this project, I'm really like, you know what, I 0:03:11.436 --> 0:03:14.236 know that those have been my influences historically, but I 0:03:14.276 --> 0:03:17.436 want to dive into some different type of music, you know. 0:03:17.556 --> 0:03:22.116 And I really started listening to like really just kind 0:03:22.156 --> 0:03:25.716 of old school classic rock and roll music, and I 0:03:25.756 --> 0:03:28.316 started to get into Chuck Berry, and I started to 0:03:28.316 --> 0:03:30.956 get into Little Richard and and you know, I started 0:03:30.996 --> 0:03:33.076 listening to the Beats Boys and the Beatles and like 0:03:33.156 --> 0:03:37.756 really trying to like really go in and like listen 0:03:37.796 --> 0:03:40.236 to the words and listen to the chords, like just 0:03:40.356 --> 0:03:43.436 try to understand what's happening. That was really an eye 0:03:43.436 --> 0:03:46.116 opening experience for me. And I feel like that's kind 0:03:46.116 --> 0:03:49.916 of the difference from this project and a lot of 0:03:49.916 --> 0:03:52.316 other projects that I've worked on, is me kind of 0:03:53.076 --> 0:03:55.276 sitting there as my guitar teacher and being like, hey, 0:03:55.356 --> 0:03:57.276 well talk to me about this song, and talk to 0:03:57.316 --> 0:04:00.156 me about what's happening in this song and why does it, 0:04:00.276 --> 0:04:02.236 you know, why does it feel like this? And just 0:04:02.276 --> 0:04:04.196 going through it and just kind of trying to just 0:04:04.396 --> 0:04:08.876 learn from experience and from history. That was the major difference. Yeah, Yeah, 0:04:08.916 --> 0:04:12.756 I definitely got some feelings listening to it that just 0:04:12.796 --> 0:04:14.916 reminded me of old music that I really like to 0:04:14.956 --> 0:04:18.276 listen to and flavors that I'm not used to hearing 0:04:18.316 --> 0:04:20.716 today and I miss you know like that I can't 0:04:20.756 --> 0:04:22.956 remember then, I'm not good with names, but second track 0:04:22.956 --> 0:04:27.196 in particular had just like a real breezy vibe that 0:04:27.276 --> 0:04:30.196 just reminds me of like old music that I like 0:04:30.276 --> 0:04:33.876 to listen to. Totally don's fallen for you, And that's 0:04:33.876 --> 0:04:36.596 the one that we really like focused on a lot 0:04:36.636 --> 0:04:38.276 to be like, yeah, we just want to make something 0:04:38.316 --> 0:04:40.756 that just feels good. We don't want it to like 0:04:41.076 --> 0:04:43.396 kind of live in any genre in any world. We 0:04:43.436 --> 0:04:46.276 just wanted to feel good and to just to come alive, 0:04:46.356 --> 0:04:48.276 and so we worked on that was actually one of 0:04:48.316 --> 0:04:50.036 the first songs that we worked on for the album. 0:04:50.116 --> 0:04:52.596 That's We made that song and we were like, wow, 0:04:52.996 --> 0:04:55.596 we should try to make an album in this kind 0:04:55.636 --> 0:04:57.676 of sound, you know, and in this kind of vibe. 0:04:57.716 --> 0:05:00.516 And I put justin on that song because I wanted 0:05:00.556 --> 0:05:03.196 to take like some old school flavors and then bring 0:05:03.276 --> 0:05:05.676 people that you know are here and that are working 0:05:05.756 --> 0:05:07.836 right now on the industry and put them onto that 0:05:07.916 --> 0:05:09.756 type of a vibe and me and him to do 0:05:09.796 --> 0:05:12.156 that together. That was just like I just love making 0:05:12.196 --> 0:05:13.836 music with him too, So that was just an excuse 0:05:13.876 --> 0:05:16.436 to just be with someone that I really care about. 0:05:16.516 --> 0:05:18.996 And but yeah, I wanted to give that type of 0:05:18.996 --> 0:05:21.396 a different flavor to the youth right now to let 0:05:21.436 --> 0:05:24.436 them know, hey, you know, we could also do this. 0:05:24.836 --> 0:05:27.516 Who played drums on that? Do you know? I actually 0:05:27.516 --> 0:05:30.996 worked with a really amazing jazz drummer on that one. 0:05:31.076 --> 0:05:33.836 I'm blinking on their name right now. The vibe was great, 0:05:34.196 --> 0:05:37.036 just amazing, amazing. They were so good that we actually 0:05:37.036 --> 0:05:39.396 brought them on to play drums on a bunch of 0:05:39.396 --> 0:05:42.156 the other songs too, because it was just like it 0:05:42.276 --> 0:05:44.116 was just just such a groove that they found on 0:05:44.116 --> 0:05:46.996 that day, and even like recording live drums like that 0:05:47.116 --> 0:05:49.036 wasn't something that I was like, you know, I had 0:05:49.036 --> 0:05:51.356 done that a little bit before on like the Irish album, 0:05:51.356 --> 0:05:52.996 when I was trying to go for more of like 0:05:53.036 --> 0:05:56.836 a more of a punk sound, but like, I still 0:05:56.956 --> 0:05:58.476 even when I was working on that album, a lot 0:05:58.516 --> 0:06:00.716 of the drums were just made in the computer and everything. 0:06:01.076 --> 0:06:04.356 It's always just made in the computer, you know nowadays. 0:06:04.396 --> 0:06:07.356 And I really the eye opening part about it was 0:06:07.396 --> 0:06:09.556 like trying to pick up a guitar and learn how 0:06:09.596 --> 0:06:11.716 to play the guitar and trying that and seeing how 0:06:11.716 --> 0:06:14.276 difficult that is, and me still being on that journey 0:06:14.276 --> 0:06:17.236 and recording bass live or how you know when you 0:06:17.276 --> 0:06:19.356 play a guitar into the computer that it sounds different 0:06:19.356 --> 0:06:21.236 than when you plug it into an amp and then 0:06:21.236 --> 0:06:22.756 you put a mic in front of it and then 0:06:22.756 --> 0:06:24.636 you put that into the you know, like just all 0:06:24.676 --> 0:06:27.876 these different things that I was like, Man, I feel 0:06:27.916 --> 0:06:31.316 like I'm learning so much on this journey, and I 0:06:31.396 --> 0:06:34.916 want to bring my fan base and my generation with 0:06:34.956 --> 0:06:37.476 me on that journey. Yeah. The other song that I 0:06:37.476 --> 0:06:39.836 remember that really stuck out to me was next to 0:06:39.876 --> 0:06:42.876 the last song, Oh yeah, the Bret's Sire right from 0:06:42.876 --> 0:06:45.356 the time it came on the viewing caught me, you know, 0:06:45.396 --> 0:06:49.036 the emotion and the music thank you so much. Yeah, 0:06:49.076 --> 0:06:51.036 So when I was working on that one, that one's 0:06:51.116 --> 0:06:53.276 kind of like the end of the album, and that's 0:06:53.676 --> 0:06:56.436 that's the song where it's like, you know, Sire, My 0:06:56.476 --> 0:06:59.236 first album was all about the heartbreak and what I 0:06:59.276 --> 0:07:01.956 went through, and so Sire is my middle name, and 0:07:02.596 --> 0:07:04.756 Jade Smith is how people referred to me on the world. 0:07:04.876 --> 0:07:07.076 Jayden is how people refer to me at home. But 0:07:07.116 --> 0:07:08.956 I felt like, you know, people out in the world 0:07:09.116 --> 0:07:10.956 didn't get me. People at home didn't get me. So 0:07:10.996 --> 0:07:13.276 I wasn't Jaden. I wasn't Jaden Smith. I was Sire 0:07:13.556 --> 0:07:15.876 because I was this like other thing that was like 0:07:16.676 --> 0:07:19.196 just confused and like in the sunset all the time. 0:07:19.356 --> 0:07:20.956 So that was me after I got my heart broken 0:07:20.996 --> 0:07:23.916 and cool te vob three was me before I got 0:07:23.916 --> 0:07:25.796 my heartbroken. And that's why that last song is the 0:07:25.796 --> 0:07:28.156 birth of Sire, because that's me going into it, and 0:07:28.156 --> 0:07:31.156 that's me kind of accepting, Hey, this young love that 0:07:31.196 --> 0:07:34.876 we had is like kind of like over now. I 0:07:34.916 --> 0:07:38.076 was actually really inspired by She's Leaving Home, and that's 0:07:38.076 --> 0:07:40.156 why I mentioned Melanie Coe inside of the song, and 0:07:40.556 --> 0:07:43.076 it kind of felt like, you know, she's leaving home 0:07:43.116 --> 0:07:46.116 being about a different type of relationship with somebody leaving home, 0:07:46.156 --> 0:07:48.676 and this one felt like kind of like a girlfriend 0:07:48.916 --> 0:07:52.116 that you love or somebody is like leaving home, leaving 0:07:52.116 --> 0:07:55.076 everything that you know of like this relationship together of like, 0:07:55.436 --> 0:07:58.516 so that's just kind of how like these historical references 0:07:58.636 --> 0:08:00.956 have touched me in a specific way made me feel 0:08:00.996 --> 0:08:02.596 a way where it's like, hey, I want to talk 0:08:02.636 --> 0:08:05.276 about that aspect of the side of it. And then 0:08:05.316 --> 0:08:08.476 that guitar is like kind of a guitar melody that's 0:08:08.476 --> 0:08:10.236 coming in earlier in the album of a song called 0:08:10.276 --> 0:08:12.916 Rainbow bab But then my guitar teacher put a like 0:08:13.556 --> 0:08:17.956 a harmony in our peggiated harmony with it along at 0:08:17.956 --> 0:08:20.676 the same time. And then that's when it really just 0:08:20.756 --> 0:08:23.556 brought out all of these like emotions from me because 0:08:23.556 --> 0:08:26.036 it felt like two things that were going on at 0:08:26.036 --> 0:08:28.476 the same time that we're working together for so long, 0:08:28.996 --> 0:08:32.356 and then eventually they just kind of fall apart towards 0:08:32.396 --> 0:08:34.396 the end of the song. In so that one, that 0:08:34.436 --> 0:08:36.396 one's really close to me because that one is like 0:08:36.516 --> 0:08:39.356 the precursor to like everything that had done on my 0:08:39.436 --> 0:08:41.676 first album. So I'm glad that you liked that one 0:08:41.756 --> 0:08:44.276 because that's the one that I'm really obsessed with as well, 0:08:44.316 --> 0:08:47.436 because yeah, it just had it had, as I say, 0:08:47.556 --> 0:08:50.836 right right from the beginning, it had a feeling that 0:08:51.076 --> 0:08:54.236 just sucked me in, and I love when music can 0:08:54.316 --> 0:08:55.996 do that, you know. I mean, there's just an emotion 0:08:56.116 --> 0:08:58.676 there that you don't know what it is about it, 0:08:59.116 --> 0:09:02.876 but just draws you in and like forces you to 0:09:02.916 --> 0:09:06.356 pay attention. I love that feeling. Thank you. I really 0:09:06.356 --> 0:09:09.316 appreciate that. And we were trying to just experience met 0:09:09.316 --> 0:09:13.316 with different things on this album as well, because I 0:09:13.436 --> 0:09:17.516 love when music can influence people in their normal lives, 0:09:17.836 --> 0:09:22.276 you know. And I love how some music from these 0:09:22.356 --> 0:09:25.316 historical references that I'm always talking about, a lot of 0:09:25.476 --> 0:09:27.356 music I would listen to, I'll be surprised of how 0:09:27.436 --> 0:09:30.756 many Eastern or different types of instruments that I would 0:09:30.756 --> 0:09:33.276 be hearing in this music and how it makes me feel. 0:09:33.716 --> 0:09:35.436 And it would kind of like, you know, like the 0:09:35.556 --> 0:09:38.516 buzz of a satar kind of makes you feel in 0:09:38.676 --> 0:09:40.996 like a meditative way. I don't I don't know if 0:09:41.036 --> 0:09:42.676 it's the way that the notes are set up, and 0:09:42.796 --> 0:09:45.836 like me even learning like a Western keyboard versus a 0:09:45.956 --> 0:09:48.356 Eastern keys and how they work and how they make 0:09:48.436 --> 0:09:51.316 you feel differently. I really wanted to bring certain elements 0:09:51.356 --> 0:09:54.756 into this album that we're like make people feel meditative 0:09:54.796 --> 0:09:57.716 almost in a way, because I really wanted to get 0:09:57.716 --> 0:10:00.836 across that feeling of just like that calm and that 0:10:01.036 --> 0:10:03.956 stillness that can come over, you know, a person, and 0:10:04.036 --> 0:10:06.236 I wanted to try to capture that in some of 0:10:06.276 --> 0:10:10.116 the songs. When you're writing, is the music or the 0:10:10.556 --> 0:10:15.756 lyrical piece more important to you? Would you say? I think, 0:10:16.076 --> 0:10:19.076 to me, the lyrics are going to be the most 0:10:19.116 --> 0:10:22.796 important thing. But throughout the course of this album, my 0:10:22.996 --> 0:10:26.916 teachers have helped to show me that, hey, it's about 0:10:26.996 --> 0:10:29.756 the whole thing, and it's also about the music, and 0:10:29.836 --> 0:10:31.876 it's about everything that you're doing with that, and it's 0:10:31.916 --> 0:10:34.676 about how that moves and where that goes, and that 0:10:34.796 --> 0:10:36.676 it doesn't just stay the same. And they made me 0:10:36.796 --> 0:10:41.116 realize that as a human being, that you don't want 0:10:41.156 --> 0:10:43.676 to just listen to something that's on loop all the time. 0:10:43.756 --> 0:10:45.676 You kind of want to hear something that's alive. You 0:10:45.756 --> 0:10:47.596 kind of want to hear something that's moving and has 0:10:47.636 --> 0:10:51.356 these micro changes or these vast changes in it that 0:10:51.596 --> 0:10:53.876 kind of feels like it's breathing. And that's when I 0:10:53.916 --> 0:10:57.196 started to realize how important it is to have a band, 0:10:57.276 --> 0:10:58.956 to work with a band, to work with people who 0:10:58.996 --> 0:11:02.316 are playing live and the difference between you know, click 0:11:02.476 --> 0:11:05.676 click click record this stack that stack, that stack, that 0:11:05.836 --> 0:11:08.636 stack that let me do my vocals now, and opposed to, hey, 0:11:08.716 --> 0:11:10.996 let's all do it. Let's go right now, let's feel 0:11:11.036 --> 0:11:13.676 the vibe. We're all humans, we're all alive. We can 0:11:13.796 --> 0:11:16.836 do this if we focus. So let's do it. There's 0:11:16.916 --> 0:11:20.076 something in there that gets captured that just makes it 0:11:20.196 --> 0:11:23.076 so beautiful. And the decisions that each musician is going 0:11:23.116 --> 0:11:25.236 to make. Oh, you know, I know he said we 0:11:25.316 --> 0:11:27.156 were going to do this, we rehearsed to this, but 0:11:27.316 --> 0:11:29.316 I feel like doing this right now, and I have 0:11:29.436 --> 0:11:32.316 to go with it because you know, you have me here, 0:11:32.356 --> 0:11:34.636 because I'm a human and I make split second decisions, 0:11:34.956 --> 0:11:36.396 you know, at the drop of a dime, to like 0:11:36.836 --> 0:11:39.956 push the song into a different place. And throughout the 0:11:39.996 --> 0:11:42.276 process of the album, I realized that, man, the music 0:11:42.516 --> 0:11:44.636 is so important. For example, with a song like Falling 0:11:44.716 --> 0:11:46.836 for You, you know, with rapping, you know, you can 0:11:46.956 --> 0:11:48.996 come up with sixteen bars that are sick, and then 0:11:49.036 --> 0:11:50.476 you can go up to somebody and be like, yo, 0:11:51.236 --> 0:11:52.876 try it on that, tryed it on that, try it 0:11:52.956 --> 0:11:54.356 on that, tried it on that, and figure out which 0:11:54.396 --> 0:11:57.316 works best. But with this, it was like the guitar 0:11:57.516 --> 0:12:00.356 came and the vocals came in the bass. It all 0:12:00.436 --> 0:12:02.436 came at the same time, you know, and it was 0:12:02.476 --> 0:12:05.076 like boom, and it kind of just glued together. And 0:12:05.316 --> 0:12:08.636 so now I feel like the music is extremely important 0:12:08.796 --> 0:12:10.876 and I need to I'm trying to grow as a 0:12:10.996 --> 0:12:16.276 producer and just how I arrange things because it's very important. 0:12:16.716 --> 0:12:19.436 Would the melodies come before the words or do they 0:12:19.476 --> 0:12:23.756 come together for you? The melodies come before the words. 0:12:24.156 --> 0:12:27.396 Usually they come like far before the words, where I'll 0:12:27.436 --> 0:12:30.156 have enough time to just even record the melodies down 0:12:30.276 --> 0:12:32.996 before I even have the words. And then once I 0:12:33.076 --> 0:12:34.796 have time to know that, I'm not going to lose 0:12:34.876 --> 0:12:38.156 the melodies because I feel like I don't lose words. Really, 0:12:38.396 --> 0:12:41.436 I'm good at keeping track of words, but melodies. Since 0:12:41.516 --> 0:12:45.716 I'm not fluent in music theory, it's easy for me 0:12:45.756 --> 0:12:47.556 to lose melodies because I'm not like, oh, that was 0:12:47.716 --> 0:12:49.876 that melody? You know what I mean? It's like, or oh, 0:12:49.996 --> 0:12:51.596 let me play it on the guitar. It sounded like this. 0:12:52.116 --> 0:12:55.276 I can't. I'm not to that level yet. So I'm like, 0:12:55.356 --> 0:12:56.836 when I find a good melody, I'm like, oh, I 0:12:56.956 --> 0:12:59.836 have to record it down right now because I'll forget 0:12:59.956 --> 0:13:02.876 So just record this and then I will come up 0:13:02.876 --> 0:13:05.916 with lyrics later. And then just in life do you record, 0:13:06.076 --> 0:13:08.676 Like will you record a melody into your phone or 0:13:09.716 --> 0:13:12.396 a lyric idea or a vocal idea? How do you 0:13:12.916 --> 0:13:16.716 save them? So I will record if I have like 0:13:17.116 --> 0:13:20.396 two devices, I will record a melody idea into a phone, 0:13:20.796 --> 0:13:22.876 or I'll just record it, you know, with no music, 0:13:22.916 --> 0:13:25.676 and I'll just record the straight melody right there. Sometimes, 0:13:25.916 --> 0:13:29.636 but usually a lot of the times, I won't even 0:13:29.756 --> 0:13:32.156 listen to certain things until I get into the studio 0:13:32.276 --> 0:13:34.076 so that if I do get inspired, that I have 0:13:34.236 --> 0:13:37.276 everything that I need right there to record it the 0:13:37.396 --> 0:13:40.196 best way, because you know, the melody comes to me, 0:13:40.236 --> 0:13:41.956 and then the harmony comes to me, and then all 0:13:41.996 --> 0:13:45.156 of these things come to me where I then I'm like, oh, 0:13:45.356 --> 0:13:48.516 I'm getting lost. Which one was the original one? Which 0:13:48.556 --> 0:13:50.956 one was the stack? Which one was that maybe one 0:13:50.996 --> 0:13:53.876 that I would maybe add in. That started to get 0:13:53.956 --> 0:13:58.196 really difficult, and harmonies was a whole other journey on 0:13:58.276 --> 0:14:02.116 this album that I just I couldn't recognize harmonies when 0:14:02.116 --> 0:14:04.676 I started this album, and now I can, maybe recognize one. 0:14:04.996 --> 0:14:07.116 You know. Now I can sing and I can always 0:14:07.196 --> 0:14:10.316 maybe get you know, one of the harmonies, um, but 0:14:10.436 --> 0:14:12.716 then I'll need help on other ones. But at the 0:14:12.756 --> 0:14:15.476 beginning of the album, it's like I had no no 0:14:15.716 --> 0:14:20.476 way of recognizing harmonies, and it was it was really 0:14:20.756 --> 0:14:23.116 a journey to get to get all the way to 0:14:23.156 --> 0:14:25.676 the end of the album. And now when I'm working 0:14:25.716 --> 0:14:28.036 on the deluxe, like just going back in and working 0:14:28.116 --> 0:14:31.236 on different parts of the album and just like beefing 0:14:31.276 --> 0:14:33.876 them up, I'm just starting to see how much I've 0:14:33.956 --> 0:14:36.436 just grown from even working on this deluxe version of 0:14:36.476 --> 0:14:39.276 the album. I think it's gonna be something really special. 0:14:39.356 --> 0:14:41.956 And with the visuals too, I think I think you're 0:14:41.956 --> 0:14:44.236 gonna like the visuals. They're gonna they're gonna be really cool. 0:14:45.276 --> 0:14:47.196 We'll be back after a short break with more from 0:14:47.276 --> 0:14:54.036 Rick Rubin and Jaden Smith. We're back with more from 0:14:54.116 --> 0:14:57.956 Rick Rubin's conversation with Jaden Smith. Before you talked about 0:14:59.076 --> 0:15:03.556 Jaden Smith and Jaden Sire. Is that more how people 0:15:03.716 --> 0:15:06.196 see you or do you feel like you're all of 0:15:06.276 --> 0:15:10.356 those people at different times? I've feel like that's how 0:15:10.476 --> 0:15:14.476 people see me. But since that's how they see me. 0:15:15.356 --> 0:15:18.796 It does feel like I do switch around from like 0:15:18.956 --> 0:15:22.276 different types of personnel because I'll know i'm going on stage, 0:15:22.876 --> 0:15:25.596 people see me like this when I'm on stage, So 0:15:25.716 --> 0:15:28.556 I'm gonna I'm not gonna burst their bubble. I'm gonna 0:15:28.596 --> 0:15:30.636 be myself, but I'm also gonna give them the version 0:15:30.676 --> 0:15:34.116 of myself that they're expecting to see right now. You know. 0:15:34.316 --> 0:15:35.996 So it's like I going on the stage and I'm 0:15:36.036 --> 0:15:37.756 like boom, I'm doing this, And then when I go 0:15:37.796 --> 0:15:40.836 to a conference to talk about sustainability, I'm like, Okay, 0:15:41.516 --> 0:15:45.036 everybody in here is thinking like this. They're thinking about 0:15:45.076 --> 0:15:47.236 these things. These are the things that are important to them. 0:15:47.556 --> 0:15:49.716 These are the you know, everybody in here hasn't seen 0:15:49.876 --> 0:15:52.796 my album. They've probably seen Jus Water. They've seen what 0:15:52.836 --> 0:15:54.836 I'm doing with five or one C three. So therefore 0:15:54.996 --> 0:15:56.956 I'm going to present that version of myself to them, 0:15:57.316 --> 0:15:58.836 you know, just for the sake of all of us. 0:15:59.236 --> 0:16:02.596 But I always feel like I am myself, and I 0:16:02.676 --> 0:16:05.556 feel like Jaden is the one who holds the many. 0:16:06.436 --> 0:16:09.436 You know. It's like going through growing through your teenage 0:16:09.516 --> 0:16:11.356 years and going through those different phases of your life 0:16:11.356 --> 0:16:13.476 and you're like, I'm a punk now like NA, like 0:16:13.476 --> 0:16:15.436 I want to be a psychedelic rock star. Nah, I'm 0:16:15.436 --> 0:16:18.116 a rapper. No, I'm not. I'm an actor. I feel 0:16:18.156 --> 0:16:21.076 like I just held onto all of those different phases 0:16:21.156 --> 0:16:23.076 that I went through and I put them in my 0:16:23.156 --> 0:16:26.236 pocket just in case I was like, Hey, little punk 0:16:26.316 --> 0:16:28.116 phase that you went through when you're making iris, just 0:16:28.196 --> 0:16:29.876 put that in your pocket, you know what I'm saying, 0:16:29.876 --> 0:16:32.396 because you never know something might happen in the future 0:16:32.436 --> 0:16:35.276 to where, oh, you know, you feel like this or 0:16:35.316 --> 0:16:37.556 like that or whatever you want to yell or whatever. Okay, 0:16:37.596 --> 0:16:39.276 you pulled a little punk phase out of your pocket, 0:16:39.356 --> 0:16:41.556 you can you can snap right back into that, you know. 0:16:41.796 --> 0:16:43.956 And even the phase that I'm in right now in 0:16:44.076 --> 0:16:46.676 my life, it is the phase that I was in 0:16:46.836 --> 0:16:49.316 when I was, you know, fifteen sixteen years old. When 0:16:49.356 --> 0:16:52.116 I was you know, living this this love story, this 0:16:52.196 --> 0:16:54.596 psychedelic love story that I talk about in the album. 0:16:54.996 --> 0:16:56.876 You know, when I was living that, I was like 0:16:56.916 --> 0:16:59.076 fifteen sixteen years old. I had dreads like how I 0:16:59.156 --> 0:17:00.876 have right now. You know what I mean. I'm just 0:17:00.996 --> 0:17:04.276 I'm twenty three now and I'm I'm not fifteen anymore. 0:17:04.356 --> 0:17:06.836 But I feel like I kept that fifteen year old 0:17:06.916 --> 0:17:09.036 version of myself for this moment, So that could be like, 0:17:09.196 --> 0:17:11.036 you know what, the dreads are coming back, the guitars 0:17:11.036 --> 0:17:13.876 aren't coming back. All the singing songs and the talking 0:17:13.916 --> 0:17:16.996 about being in love and the flowers and the psychedelic 0:17:17.156 --> 0:17:20.476 like vibe, it's all back. I remember, like when I 0:17:20.636 --> 0:17:24.276 was like fifteen years old that I would like I 0:17:24.556 --> 0:17:26.836 went to Coachella and I was like, this is amazing. 0:17:26.916 --> 0:17:29.036 I love this energy that's here. And then I was like, 0:17:29.076 --> 0:17:30.876 I wonder what the history of this is. And then 0:17:30.916 --> 0:17:33.596 I started to just dive into Woodstock and into everything 0:17:33.716 --> 0:17:36.436 of nineteen sixty seven in Beuth of New York, and 0:17:36.476 --> 0:17:38.756 I was like, oh my gosh, this is crazy. Then 0:17:38.796 --> 0:17:41.676 I realized that my grandmother was one of those people 0:17:41.756 --> 0:17:44.876 who was on her way to Woodstock and got stuck 0:17:44.916 --> 0:17:47.956 in the line, Like what's happening. I'm diving into the music. 0:17:48.036 --> 0:17:49.876 But now I'm learning more about my own family. I 0:17:49.916 --> 0:17:51.556 didn't know that my grandma tried to do that. I 0:17:51.636 --> 0:17:53.916 didn't know that she used to love the Beatles. So 0:17:54.036 --> 0:17:55.916 I have a song on the Deluxe called Your Voice, 0:17:55.996 --> 0:17:59.156 where it's about you know, grandma went to Woodstocks. That's 0:17:59.196 --> 0:18:01.676 what the song's about, and it's about like my story 0:18:01.756 --> 0:18:04.196 of being in love with this girl right now, and 0:18:04.316 --> 0:18:06.836 then also talking about how my grandma went to Woodstock, 0:18:06.836 --> 0:18:08.876 because you know, I'm always trying to like create these 0:18:09.356 --> 0:18:11.836 positions where it's like that doesn't even make sense. And yeah, 0:18:11.876 --> 0:18:16.276 it's just been a whole just like soul searching journey. 0:18:16.396 --> 0:18:19.516 But yeah, I feel like I am Jaden and all 0:18:19.556 --> 0:18:21.236 of those different things exist in me and I just 0:18:21.316 --> 0:18:23.876 pulled them out. It's like different colors. I just pulled 0:18:23.916 --> 0:18:25.836 them out for the for the piece, for the painting. 0:18:26.156 --> 0:18:29.116 That sounds great. It's like more tools in your arsenal 0:18:29.636 --> 0:18:32.676 to whatever the job needs, you know how to achieve it. 0:18:32.756 --> 0:18:35.996 So that's great. Thank you. You brought up your grandma 0:18:36.476 --> 0:18:39.076 and you brought up being at one point your punk phase. 0:18:39.796 --> 0:18:45.276 And it's not unusual for kids to rebel again see 0:18:45.316 --> 0:18:50.836 their culture against their parents. And you have particularly cool parents, 0:18:51.076 --> 0:18:55.996 like particularly forward thinking parents. Have you ever felt the 0:18:56.196 --> 0:18:59.156 need to like rebel against them or is it more 0:18:59.236 --> 0:19:02.196 like they feel more like you're on the same page 0:19:02.276 --> 0:19:05.076 most of the time. No, I think I'm really on 0:19:05.156 --> 0:19:07.116 the same page with my parents most of the time. 0:19:07.356 --> 0:19:09.596 And for a lot of years in my life, I've 0:19:09.596 --> 0:19:12.356 always been on the same page with them. But when 0:19:12.476 --> 0:19:15.716 I was fifteen, that is in the time where I 0:19:15.836 --> 0:19:18.196 felt as though that was rebelling against my parents and 0:19:18.316 --> 0:19:22.676 that I wanted to do other things and that they 0:19:23.276 --> 0:19:25.996 you know, it's just I felt like how every fifteen 0:19:26.076 --> 0:19:27.996 year old feels, where it's like, hey, you know, I 0:19:28.156 --> 0:19:31.156 want to do and experience different things. And that's when 0:19:31.236 --> 0:19:34.076 I really started to tap into my music. And that's 0:19:34.076 --> 0:19:36.276 when I really started to dive into my music, and 0:19:37.236 --> 0:19:38.836 that's where I would pour out my heart, you know. 0:19:38.956 --> 0:19:42.596 And that's why fifteen flash forwards and now it's like 0:19:42.796 --> 0:19:45.436 it's so important to me this music because that's always 0:19:45.476 --> 0:19:49.276 where I've poured out my heart. And like, that's why 0:19:49.836 --> 0:19:52.796 this relationship that I was in when I was fifteen 0:19:53.316 --> 0:19:55.596 was so important to me even now to this day, 0:19:55.596 --> 0:19:58.116 and it still affects me because that was the time 0:19:58.196 --> 0:20:00.476