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Speaker 1: I'm justin Richmond. Here's Rick Rubin and Jaden Smith. Who's

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Speaker 1: Rick Rubin's conversation with Jaden Smith. Before you talked about

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Speaker 1: do that. That's when I made Icon, That's what I

428
00:21:12,796 --> 00:21:16,036
Speaker 1: made all these different songs, and I created the Boy

429
00:21:16,476 --> 00:21:19,956
Speaker 1: in the Sunset Sire, and this album is about hey

430
00:21:20,076 --> 00:21:23,556
Speaker 1: hold on. It wasn't always like that, though, because there

431
00:21:23,756 --> 00:21:26,796
Speaker 1: was a time where he lived in Sunset City where

432
00:21:26,836 --> 00:21:28,956
Speaker 1: he was happy, you know, and he lives with the

433
00:21:29,036 --> 00:21:32,316
Speaker 1: girl Lucy, and they were happy. And then eventually, by

434
00:21:32,356 --> 00:21:33,876
Speaker 1: the time we get to the birth of Sire, which

435
00:21:33,956 --> 00:21:36,236
Speaker 1: is a song that we were talking about, Lucy has

436
00:21:37,436 --> 00:21:41,196
Speaker 1: left and Sire has now just these guitars in the

437
00:21:41,316 --> 00:21:43,076
Speaker 1: hills and the dust and the sunset, and it's like,

438
00:21:43,796 --> 00:21:45,996
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're home, but sure, you know,

439
00:21:46,116 --> 00:21:48,356
Speaker 1: I'm all alone. It's like it's just like just straight

440
00:21:48,396 --> 00:21:50,196
Speaker 1: to the point, like I'm just bound myself on a hill.

441
00:21:50,236 --> 00:21:51,916
Speaker 1: There's not much to it. Do you make it a

442
00:21:51,996 --> 00:21:54,676
Speaker 1: point to see to watch the sunset every day? Yeah,

443
00:21:54,836 --> 00:21:57,316
Speaker 1: I'm gonna show you a video of yesterday's sunset, because

444
00:21:57,756 --> 00:22:02,076
Speaker 1: I too, am a sunset lover. And yes, it's particularly good.

445
00:22:02,436 --> 00:22:05,196
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just obsessed with them. Man, Like, let's

446
00:22:05,196 --> 00:22:09,956
Speaker 1: see if I can get to sounds. Oh my gosh,

447
00:22:11,596 --> 00:22:19,396
Speaker 1: stopped it then yesterday. That's ridiculous. That's ridiculous. I cannot

448
00:22:19,516 --> 00:22:24,116
Speaker 1: believe that. And the colors were changing so fast and

449
00:22:24,476 --> 00:22:29,476
Speaker 1: so radically and psychedelically, it was unbelievable. It went from

450
00:22:29,516 --> 00:22:33,756
Speaker 1: like everything in front of me the ocean turned pink,

451
00:22:34,156 --> 00:22:37,036
Speaker 1: and then to the right it was bright yellow, and

452
00:22:37,196 --> 00:22:40,156
Speaker 1: then it turned purple, and then it all went dark

453
00:22:40,316 --> 00:22:47,676
Speaker 1: and it just kept wild color changes, wild beautiful magnificence.

454
00:22:48,596 --> 00:22:51,556
Speaker 1: So amazing. Yeah, I live for that. You know, the

455
00:22:51,756 --> 00:22:55,796
Speaker 1: music that I make. I hope that some people that

456
00:22:55,916 --> 00:22:58,636
Speaker 1: are just in love and going through some similar situations

457
00:22:58,796 --> 00:23:01,396
Speaker 1: can look at the sunset and hear a song like

458
00:23:01,516 --> 00:23:03,076
Speaker 1: the Birth of Sire and they're like, Yo, I'm sad,

459
00:23:03,276 --> 00:23:06,756
Speaker 1: I'm whatever. But you know, there's other people out there that,

460
00:23:06,956 --> 00:23:09,596
Speaker 1: you know, relate to me. There's a whole group of

461
00:23:10,156 --> 00:23:13,876
Speaker 1: these people that relate to what I'm going through, you

462
00:23:13,956 --> 00:23:15,716
Speaker 1: know what I mean, and what's happening, and that are

463
00:23:15,756 --> 00:23:18,436
Speaker 1: also here watching the sunset. And that's really what I'm

464
00:23:18,476 --> 00:23:21,436
Speaker 1: trying to create, like a community of people because also

465
00:23:21,996 --> 00:23:25,356
Speaker 1: with the pandemic and everything that's happened, the mental health

466
00:23:25,596 --> 00:23:28,876
Speaker 1: of people is just at a rapid decline right now.

467
00:23:29,276 --> 00:23:33,756
Speaker 1: It's creating serious mental problem mental health issues for everyone.

468
00:23:34,116 --> 00:23:36,636
Speaker 1: But I'm specifically worried about the people that are like

469
00:23:36,876 --> 00:23:39,516
Speaker 1: under twenty two years old that are going to be

470
00:23:39,636 --> 00:23:42,596
Speaker 1: dealing with this stuff, that are inside that are scared,

471
00:23:43,116 --> 00:23:46,636
Speaker 1: and I just want them all to know that everything's

472
00:23:46,636 --> 00:23:48,156
Speaker 1: going to be okay. You know, it's one thing to

473
00:23:48,276 --> 00:23:50,796
Speaker 1: go through a pandemic, and it's another thing to go

474
00:23:50,916 --> 00:23:53,076
Speaker 1: through a pandemic and to go through a breakup and

475
00:23:53,236 --> 00:23:55,476
Speaker 1: to go through all these other things that everybody is

476
00:23:55,516 --> 00:23:58,396
Speaker 1: going through. So I just want people to know, hey,

477
00:23:58,876 --> 00:24:01,516
Speaker 1: we're here for you. We're all here for you, and

478
00:24:02,076 --> 00:24:04,836
Speaker 1: we all go through crazy things. And I also try

479
00:24:05,196 --> 00:24:07,076
Speaker 1: just a part of just me, I try to like

480
00:24:07,916 --> 00:24:10,596
Speaker 1: I don't want people to always think that like everything

481
00:24:10,876 --> 00:24:14,156
Speaker 1: is just like perfect and okay in my life, you

482
00:24:14,196 --> 00:24:15,716
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I don't want to come across

483
00:24:15,716 --> 00:24:17,196
Speaker 1: as one of those people where it's like, oh, you know,

484
00:24:17,436 --> 00:24:19,076
Speaker 1: this is fun and this is fun and everything that

485
00:24:19,076 --> 00:24:21,356
Speaker 1: I do is fun and everything is awesome. It's like

486
00:24:21,396 --> 00:24:23,436
Speaker 1: I want people to know where it's like, man, nah,

487
00:24:23,436 --> 00:24:25,716
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come clean it with you guys. Like if

488
00:24:25,796 --> 00:24:27,516
Speaker 1: I'm having a not good day, I'm going to tell

489
00:24:27,556 --> 00:24:28,956
Speaker 1: you that I'm not having a good day. I'm going

490
00:24:29,036 --> 00:24:30,996
Speaker 1: to tell you that, you know, this hurt my feelings,

491
00:24:31,036 --> 00:24:34,116
Speaker 1: that I'm sad, that I'm scared or whatever, because sometimes

492
00:24:34,156 --> 00:24:36,156
Speaker 1: when you see everybody else around you it's just having

493
00:24:36,236 --> 00:24:39,076
Speaker 1: the best time and you're like suffering in silence, that

494
00:24:39,436 --> 00:24:42,676
Speaker 1: it makes it so much worse. So I just wanted

495
00:24:42,796 --> 00:24:46,596
Speaker 1: everyone to know that it's like, hey, we're here together,

496
00:24:46,716 --> 00:24:48,316
Speaker 1: and we don't have to suffer in silence, Like we

497
00:24:48,396 --> 00:24:50,796
Speaker 1: can make music together and like change the world and

498
00:24:50,876 --> 00:24:54,316
Speaker 1: like and like impact everybody around us, and everybody gets

499
00:24:54,396 --> 00:24:57,956
Speaker 1: lonely and regardless of we can have great things happen

500
00:24:58,036 --> 00:25:00,836
Speaker 1: in our lives and we still have severe hardships and

501
00:25:00,956 --> 00:25:03,676
Speaker 1: unhappiness all the time. It's it's a regular part of life.

502
00:25:04,476 --> 00:25:07,796
Speaker 1: So it's I definitely understand what you're talking about and

503
00:25:07,956 --> 00:25:11,036
Speaker 1: the and they're something. Also you talked about the album

504
00:25:11,156 --> 00:25:14,956
Speaker 1: having a meditative quality, and you talked about being alone

505
00:25:14,996 --> 00:25:18,076
Speaker 1: and paying attention to the sunset. And in both of

506
00:25:18,116 --> 00:25:24,436
Speaker 1: those cases, those are like solitary moments and maybe some

507
00:25:25,276 --> 00:25:29,596
Speaker 1: sadness brought you to them, but within them there's great beauty.

508
00:25:30,156 --> 00:25:33,036
Speaker 1: Great beauty, yes, And I feel like That's what I

509
00:25:33,196 --> 00:25:36,716
Speaker 1: ultimately realize throughout the story of Sire, and that is

510
00:25:36,796 --> 00:25:39,916
Speaker 1: the metaphor of the subset where you have this love,

511
00:25:39,996 --> 00:25:43,596
Speaker 1: they no longer have you wander up like just a

512
00:25:43,796 --> 00:25:46,916
Speaker 1: road because that's the only thing there. There's just nothing else.

513
00:25:46,996 --> 00:25:48,996
Speaker 1: There's just a dirt road where I live, there's just

514
00:25:49,196 --> 00:25:52,396
Speaker 1: hills and horses and like that's it. And you know,

515
00:25:52,556 --> 00:25:54,636
Speaker 1: so it's just a dirt road and you walk up

516
00:25:54,716 --> 00:25:56,356
Speaker 1: it and then you get to a hill and you

517
00:25:56,516 --> 00:26:00,476
Speaker 1: think your relationships over, You think that the love in

518
00:26:00,556 --> 00:26:04,396
Speaker 1: your life is over. You think that your happiness is over,

519
00:26:04,876 --> 00:26:08,876
Speaker 1: and the day is over, everything's over. But then when

520
00:26:08,916 --> 00:26:10,996
Speaker 1: you get to the top of the hill and the

521
00:26:11,156 --> 00:26:16,596
Speaker 1: day finally ends, everything goes pink. And at that point

522
00:26:16,916 --> 00:26:24,076
Speaker 1: you can realize, Wow, magic exists, Miracles exist, happiness can

523
00:26:24,156 --> 00:26:29,676
Speaker 1: still exist, meditation exists, and you know it's not about

524
00:26:29,876 --> 00:26:32,116
Speaker 1: just you know, there's a difference between being alone and

525
00:26:32,236 --> 00:26:33,996
Speaker 1: being lonely, you know what I'm saying. And it's like,

526
00:26:34,116 --> 00:26:36,196
Speaker 1: and I want people to realize that you can grow

527
00:26:36,236 --> 00:26:38,356
Speaker 1: into a place where you could be by yourself, but

528
00:26:38,516 --> 00:26:40,716
Speaker 1: it can be fine, and it can be beautiful, and

529
00:26:40,796 --> 00:26:44,036
Speaker 1: it can be a happy and amazing experience once we

530
00:26:44,796 --> 00:26:47,036
Speaker 1: talk through all of this trauma and all of these

531
00:26:47,076 --> 00:26:49,196
Speaker 1: different things that we've gone through, and then we can

532
00:26:49,316 --> 00:26:52,356
Speaker 1: sit with ourselfs and our thoughts, and we can try

533
00:26:52,476 --> 00:26:54,716
Speaker 1: to steal our mind to the point beyond thoughts, and

534
00:26:54,796 --> 00:26:58,636
Speaker 1: we can really get to a beautiful, beautiful place. That's

535
00:26:58,636 --> 00:27:00,676
Speaker 1: what the metaphor of the sunset is to me. It's

536
00:27:00,716 --> 00:27:04,116
Speaker 1: like the blossoming of the flower. Tell me about your

537
00:27:04,156 --> 00:27:07,356
Speaker 1: relationship to meditation. When did you first encounter it and

538
00:27:07,756 --> 00:27:12,956
Speaker 1: what's your practice? Like, I think that my mom has always,

539
00:27:13,236 --> 00:27:15,356
Speaker 1: ever since I was very young, my mom has been

540
00:27:15,516 --> 00:27:19,036
Speaker 1: interested in meditation. There's these pictures of my mom and

541
00:27:19,156 --> 00:27:23,876
Speaker 1: my sister meditating in New York City at an apartment

542
00:27:23,876 --> 00:27:25,316
Speaker 1: that we were living in a New York City where

543
00:27:25,316 --> 00:27:29,676
Speaker 1: my dad was shooting Men in Black Too, or he

544
00:27:29,796 --> 00:27:31,916
Speaker 1: was shooting a movie in New York. And there's a

545
00:27:31,956 --> 00:27:34,796
Speaker 1: photo of my mom and my sister meditating that I remember.

546
00:27:35,236 --> 00:27:36,636
Speaker 1: So I just feel like it's been a part of

547
00:27:36,676 --> 00:27:39,396
Speaker 1: my life for really a long time. But then also

548
00:27:39,556 --> 00:27:41,476
Speaker 1: at that point of fifteen years old, when I said

549
00:27:41,476 --> 00:27:43,396
Speaker 1: that I was having that rebellion away from my parents,

550
00:27:43,836 --> 00:27:47,276
Speaker 1: I started to dive deeper into meditation. I started to

551
00:27:47,436 --> 00:27:51,316
Speaker 1: learn more, I started to read more. Then I started

552
00:27:51,356 --> 00:27:57,516
Speaker 1: to to really get down to an understanding that I

553
00:27:57,596 --> 00:28:01,196
Speaker 1: didn't previously have and that I was like, I thought it. Yeah,

554
00:28:01,236 --> 00:28:03,956
Speaker 1: I thought that meditation was something different than what it

555
00:28:04,036 --> 00:28:06,796
Speaker 1: actually was. And I learned that you can meditate with

556
00:28:06,916 --> 00:28:09,076
Speaker 1: your eyes open, you know what I mean. You can meditate,

557
00:28:09,156 --> 00:28:11,796
Speaker 1: tate while you walk, that you can meditate while you

558
00:28:11,916 --> 00:28:14,996
Speaker 1: do things. And then I started to learn about Taoism

559
00:28:15,076 --> 00:28:16,956
Speaker 1: and Zen and that like all of these different that

560
00:28:16,996 --> 00:28:19,276
Speaker 1: there's meditative arts that you can do these different things

561
00:28:19,356 --> 00:28:21,476
Speaker 1: in their meditation that you can the way that you

562
00:28:21,516 --> 00:28:24,636
Speaker 1: shoot a bow and narrow can be meditation. The way

563
00:28:24,756 --> 00:28:27,316
Speaker 1: that you draw and the way that you create art

564
00:28:27,556 --> 00:28:29,636
Speaker 1: and lines in the sand you can be a meditation.

565
00:28:30,116 --> 00:28:32,276
Speaker 1: I had no idea of that. I was like everybody

566
00:28:32,316 --> 00:28:34,196
Speaker 1: else where. I thought that meditation was, you know, you

567
00:28:34,276 --> 00:28:35,876
Speaker 1: have to sit down, you have to say a mantra,

568
00:28:36,196 --> 00:28:37,996
Speaker 1: you have to close your eyes. If you open your eyes,

569
00:28:38,236 --> 00:28:40,516
Speaker 1: you're not good at meditating. And I thought that you

570
00:28:40,556 --> 00:28:42,116
Speaker 1: could be good or bad at it. I didn't know

571
00:28:42,236 --> 00:28:46,596
Speaker 1: that it was something that we all have inside of us,

572
00:28:46,716 --> 00:28:48,396
Speaker 1: or it's like that wave of feeling that you feel

573
00:28:48,396 --> 00:28:51,356
Speaker 1: when you're getting so tired and you just go into

574
00:28:51,436 --> 00:28:53,876
Speaker 1: the feeling of your body and how it feels, and

575
00:28:53,996 --> 00:28:56,156
Speaker 1: just feeling every different part of your body. Like I

576
00:28:56,236 --> 00:28:59,116
Speaker 1: didn't understand it for what it was. And then at fifteen,

577
00:28:59,156 --> 00:29:00,836
Speaker 1: I started to begin to tap in and to read

578
00:29:00,876 --> 00:29:03,996
Speaker 1: these different books, and then me and my group of friends,

579
00:29:05,236 --> 00:29:07,716
Speaker 1: you know, we all started to tap in on what

580
00:29:07,876 --> 00:29:10,196
Speaker 1: it was. And then and we slowly started to put

581
00:29:10,236 --> 00:29:13,076
Speaker 1: that into our music and slowly started to put that

582
00:29:13,236 --> 00:29:15,396
Speaker 1: into everything that we do. And then you know, you

583
00:29:15,476 --> 00:29:17,076
Speaker 1: can get to that. We got to the front, you know,

584
00:29:17,156 --> 00:29:19,076
Speaker 1: we got to the beginning of the of the trail.

585
00:29:19,156 --> 00:29:20,396
Speaker 1: We saw the beginning of the trail, and then we

586
00:29:20,516 --> 00:29:23,796
Speaker 1: then proceeded to begin our slow journey and walk in.

587
00:29:23,916 --> 00:29:25,876
Speaker 1: It was like, you know, of course we're still at

588
00:29:25,876 --> 00:29:28,316
Speaker 1: the beginning, but it was really ie opening to just

589
00:29:28,396 --> 00:29:30,276
Speaker 1: see the beginning of the trail and be like, oh wow,

590
00:29:30,356 --> 00:29:33,156
Speaker 1: it's different than what we thought. It's more attainable than

591
00:29:33,196 --> 00:29:35,796
Speaker 1: what we thought. We're gonna take a quick break, but

592
00:29:35,916 --> 00:29:37,996
Speaker 1: we'll be right back with more from Jade and Smith.

593
00:29:42,236 --> 00:29:44,876
Speaker 1: We're back with the rest of Rick Rubin's conversation with

594
00:29:45,036 --> 00:29:49,156
Speaker 1: Jade and Smith. How has your relationship to music changed

595
00:29:49,996 --> 00:29:53,276
Speaker 1: from Let's start with you, what's your first memory of music?

596
00:29:53,356 --> 00:29:58,876
Speaker 1: And wife, Oh my mom in the car. And the

597
00:29:58,996 --> 00:30:01,716
Speaker 1: first song that I can really remember memorizing was the

598
00:30:02,116 --> 00:30:04,676
Speaker 1: living my life like is go and living my life

599
00:30:04,716 --> 00:30:08,796
Speaker 1: Lie is Gold Live and Life Like. That's the first

600
00:30:09,116 --> 00:30:13,676
Speaker 1: so that I can remember, like really memorizing. And then

601
00:30:13,756 --> 00:30:16,236
Speaker 1: of course I remember watching Thriller for the first time,

602
00:30:16,996 --> 00:30:20,716
Speaker 1: just being scared, just being so scared to watch Thriller

603
00:30:20,796 --> 00:30:25,476
Speaker 1: and then understanding why my parents like had me watch

604
00:30:25,516 --> 00:30:26,796
Speaker 1: it because then I got to the end and then

605
00:30:26,836 --> 00:30:29,796
Speaker 1: I saw the dancing and I was like, yes, oh,

606
00:30:30,996 --> 00:30:33,436
Speaker 1: the first memory this is not even a real memory,

607
00:30:33,436 --> 00:30:36,396
Speaker 1: but my mom used to put on Michael Jackson videos

608
00:30:36,436 --> 00:30:40,556
Speaker 1: when I was like very young, So I guess that's

609
00:30:40,636 --> 00:30:44,196
Speaker 1: the first memories that I have of music is trying

610
00:30:44,276 --> 00:30:48,236
Speaker 1: to dance to Michael Jackson songs. And what would be

611
00:30:48,316 --> 00:30:50,996
Speaker 1: the first time you remember where you felt like the

612
00:30:51,196 --> 00:30:53,716
Speaker 1: music was yours, Like it wasn't what your mom was

613
00:30:53,756 --> 00:30:55,636
Speaker 1: listening to, it wasn't what your dad was listening to.

614
00:30:55,716 --> 00:30:59,796
Speaker 1: It's like, this is my shit. What was that moment?

615
00:31:00,276 --> 00:31:02,636
Speaker 1: I think it was when I got an iPod that

616
00:31:02,796 --> 00:31:06,356
Speaker 1: I started to genuinely believe like it was mine. Was

617
00:31:06,396 --> 00:31:09,756
Speaker 1: that the first iPod, like the first generation iPod. I

618
00:31:09,876 --> 00:31:12,996
Speaker 1: got the first generation iPod, and a little bit before that,

619
00:31:13,116 --> 00:31:18,036
Speaker 1: I had started listening to E forties and I had

620
00:31:18,116 --> 00:31:20,996
Speaker 1: my first iPod, and that's when I was like listening

621
00:31:20,996 --> 00:31:22,436
Speaker 1: to E forty and then I started to listen to

622
00:31:22,556 --> 00:31:25,916
Speaker 1: eminem and then that's what I was listening to. Music

623
00:31:25,996 --> 00:31:27,996
Speaker 1: that people were like, oh, you shouldn't be listening to that.

624
00:31:28,076 --> 00:31:31,556
Speaker 1: I felt like I had control of, Oh, well, you

625
00:31:31,676 --> 00:31:33,876
Speaker 1: think I shouldn't be listening to it, but I'm still gonna.

626
00:31:33,996 --> 00:31:37,276
Speaker 1: I'm still gonna listen to it. And the music genuinely

627
00:31:37,276 --> 00:31:38,996
Speaker 1: feels like it's mine. It's not my mom's, it's not

628
00:31:39,116 --> 00:31:42,836
Speaker 1: anyone else's, it's it's really really mine. So it's really

629
00:31:42,916 --> 00:31:46,076
Speaker 1: it was really kind of harder hip hop. That was

630
00:31:46,156 --> 00:31:51,516
Speaker 1: where you found your personal love of music, Like, yes,

631
00:31:51,796 --> 00:31:55,596
Speaker 1: your music, you know, because I had I had my

632
00:31:55,716 --> 00:31:58,636
Speaker 1: older cousins, I had my older brother, I had a

633
00:31:58,756 --> 00:32:01,196
Speaker 1: lot of older influences in my life, and I always

634
00:32:01,276 --> 00:32:03,676
Speaker 1: loved to hang out with the bigger kids, and I

635
00:32:03,836 --> 00:32:05,796
Speaker 1: was a middle child, so I kind of could, you know,

636
00:32:05,836 --> 00:32:08,596
Speaker 1: because I wasn't the youngest, so it's like they would

637
00:32:08,596 --> 00:32:11,196
Speaker 1: be like, well, least it's not the youngest, you know

638
00:32:11,276 --> 00:32:12,876
Speaker 1: what I mean. So they would let me to hang

639
00:32:12,916 --> 00:32:15,516
Speaker 1: out with them sometimes and I would listen to certain

640
00:32:15,556 --> 00:32:17,236
Speaker 1: things that they were listening to. But yeah, it was

641
00:32:17,316 --> 00:32:20,956
Speaker 1: the harder hip hop that would really change my life

642
00:32:20,996 --> 00:32:27,236
Speaker 1: and and make me really inspired until I heard I

643
00:32:27,316 --> 00:32:31,396
Speaker 1: think it was Viva La Vida by cold Play on YouTube.

644
00:32:31,876 --> 00:32:35,316
Speaker 1: It was a Kingdom Hearts video that had like Viva

645
00:32:35,396 --> 00:32:40,516
Speaker 1: la Vita in the background, and I was just like,

646
00:32:40,636 --> 00:32:44,636
Speaker 1: oh wow, what's this? What is this? This is blowing

647
00:32:44,716 --> 00:32:46,956
Speaker 1: my mind. That's the first time I was like, Okay,

648
00:32:48,156 --> 00:32:50,996
Speaker 1: what is this sound? What are those instruments? And the

649
00:32:51,116 --> 00:32:55,596
Speaker 1: way that they're just choosing to say these lyrics and

650
00:32:55,756 --> 00:32:58,716
Speaker 1: sing them. I was like, what's going on? And I

651
00:32:58,796 --> 00:33:01,116
Speaker 1: feel like that song and I never even realized that,

652
00:33:01,156 --> 00:33:03,716
Speaker 1: But like I feel like with I don't like, I

653
00:33:03,756 --> 00:33:05,676
Speaker 1: feel like without hearing that song that I would not

654
00:33:05,836 --> 00:33:07,876
Speaker 1: have gone down the rabbit holes that I've gone down

655
00:33:07,956 --> 00:33:12,636
Speaker 1: to to create these things like cool tapot three and

656
00:33:13,116 --> 00:33:15,836
Speaker 1: singing and doing all that stuff. But really, I can't

657
00:33:15,876 --> 00:33:18,356
Speaker 1: talk about like music becoming my own and coming into

658
00:33:18,396 --> 00:33:20,596
Speaker 1: my own without talking about Man on the Moon One

659
00:33:20,636 --> 00:33:23,596
Speaker 1: by Kid Cutty. That was the first time that I

660
00:33:23,796 --> 00:33:28,876
Speaker 1: was like, music can transport you to different locations in

661
00:33:29,076 --> 00:33:31,716
Speaker 1: space and time like that. That's when I was like, yo,

662
00:33:31,956 --> 00:33:37,516
Speaker 1: music is a portal and a transformation device for the soul.

663
00:33:38,236 --> 00:33:42,956
Speaker 1: Like I was like, okay, music can like make people

664
00:33:43,036 --> 00:33:46,716
Speaker 1: better and it can change the course of history. That's

665
00:33:46,756 --> 00:33:49,236
Speaker 1: when I with Man on the Moon One. That's when

666
00:33:49,276 --> 00:33:51,676
Speaker 1: I realized it just by hearing it. And then I

667
00:33:51,796 --> 00:33:53,996
Speaker 1: realized it once again. And when I had realized that

668
00:33:54,156 --> 00:33:56,996
Speaker 1: other people had heard the album and they had also

669
00:33:57,196 --> 00:33:59,436
Speaker 1: felt the same way, but not that other people, but

670
00:33:59,556 --> 00:34:02,196
Speaker 1: like almost everybody else has also heard the album and

671
00:34:02,196 --> 00:34:04,516
Speaker 1: they feel the same way about it, then it blew

672
00:34:04,636 --> 00:34:06,716
Speaker 1: my mind again because I thought that Cutty was just

673
00:34:06,796 --> 00:34:08,956
Speaker 1: something that me and my brother listened to because we

674
00:34:09,156 --> 00:34:12,916
Speaker 1: were just like whatever, and like I would just lived

675
00:34:12,916 --> 00:34:14,556
Speaker 1: in a bubble like with me and my brother. That's it,

676
00:34:14,756 --> 00:34:16,236
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And then I went outside

677
00:34:16,356 --> 00:34:19,316
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my gosh, everybody listens to this.

678
00:34:19,516 --> 00:34:24,276
Speaker 1: This changed everyone's life. Oh my gosh, that's awesome. Cutty

679
00:34:24,356 --> 00:34:26,236
Speaker 1: is the coolest person ever. I want to be like him.

680
00:34:26,476 --> 00:34:28,956
Speaker 1: And then that's when it kind of really started to

681
00:34:29,036 --> 00:34:32,196
Speaker 1: spiralal and I was like, I gotta make music, man,

682
00:34:32,356 --> 00:34:36,316
Speaker 1: I gotta make music. If I could maybe make anyone

683
00:34:36,436 --> 00:34:38,876
Speaker 1: on the earth, just one person, feel like how I

684
00:34:38,916 --> 00:34:41,476
Speaker 1: felt after I listened to Man Them on one, then

685
00:34:41,596 --> 00:34:46,036
Speaker 1: I did it. Beautiful music has such incredible power. It

686
00:34:46,236 --> 00:34:48,996
Speaker 1: really can take you away. It happens to me all

687
00:34:49,036 --> 00:34:50,916
Speaker 1: the time where I closed my eyes when I listen

688
00:34:50,956 --> 00:34:53,276
Speaker 1: to music, and if I'm listening to music with my

689
00:34:53,356 --> 00:34:57,996
Speaker 1: eyes closed and I'm really present with the music, and

690
00:34:58,156 --> 00:35:00,316
Speaker 1: the peace ends and I opened my eyes and I'm

691
00:35:00,356 --> 00:35:03,716
Speaker 1: surprised I'm in the place that I'm in because I've

692
00:35:03,756 --> 00:35:07,836
Speaker 1: been so far gone in the music that coming back

693
00:35:07,956 --> 00:35:11,716
Speaker 1: is strange. Yeah, it really is, because it just takes

694
00:35:11,756 --> 00:35:13,756
Speaker 1: you away. And that's how I felt the other day

695
00:35:13,836 --> 00:35:15,516
Speaker 1: when I was listening to Man on the Moon one

696
00:35:15,716 --> 00:35:18,076
Speaker 1: up on the Hill, and I was like, oh my god,

697
00:35:18,196 --> 00:35:21,476
Speaker 1: Like I just almost started crying because I was like, gosh,

698
00:35:21,556 --> 00:35:24,036
Speaker 1: this is take me back to like where I was

699
00:35:24,116 --> 00:35:26,556
Speaker 1: when I was fifteen, when I was like so confused

700
00:35:26,596 --> 00:35:30,396
Speaker 1: when Saya was first born, Like yeah, it just it

701
00:35:30,476 --> 00:35:32,276
Speaker 1: takes me back. It's like a cool thing byting three

702
00:35:32,356 --> 00:35:35,636
Speaker 1: is trying to take place in that time of my life,

703
00:35:35,756 --> 00:35:37,036
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it was just like

704
00:35:37,636 --> 00:35:41,396
Speaker 1: it was a really crazy experience. Have you ever kept

705
00:35:41,476 --> 00:35:45,356
Speaker 1: a dream diary? You know, I have a trouble remembering

706
00:35:45,436 --> 00:35:49,076
Speaker 1: my dreams, but what I do know about my dreams. Well,

707
00:35:49,076 --> 00:35:50,956
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start keeping a dream diary now because you

708
00:35:51,076 --> 00:35:53,636
Speaker 1: said so. But what I do know about my dreams

709
00:35:53,796 --> 00:35:56,796
Speaker 1: is that I always go back to the same places.

710
00:35:57,716 --> 00:36:00,836
Speaker 1: This is one place that's like a resort by the

711
00:36:00,876 --> 00:36:03,716
Speaker 1: beach that like is totally impossible. It's kind of like inception,

712
00:36:03,836 --> 00:36:06,796
Speaker 1: Like it's it doesn't that architecture doesn't make sense, but

713
00:36:06,956 --> 00:36:09,356
Speaker 1: it's by the beach. And then I'm always by beach

714
00:36:09,396 --> 00:36:11,396
Speaker 1: and the waves are always way too big at the

715
00:36:11,436 --> 00:36:14,436
Speaker 1: beach every time, and like I always go back there

716
00:36:14,436 --> 00:36:16,076
Speaker 1: and I live different dreams there, and then I have

717
00:36:16,116 --> 00:36:18,276
Speaker 1: another dream where it's like I'm in this super tall

718
00:36:18,316 --> 00:36:20,796
Speaker 1: skyscraper and I keep going through the elevator, and like

719
00:36:21,156 --> 00:36:22,876
Speaker 1: every time I go through the elevator, it's just like

720
00:36:23,036 --> 00:36:25,556
Speaker 1: some crazy stuff. But I'm going to start keeping a

721
00:36:25,636 --> 00:36:28,996
Speaker 1: little dream diary. Cool. I have some suggestions if you

722
00:36:29,076 --> 00:36:31,836
Speaker 1: do do it. First thing is keep the pen in

723
00:36:31,916 --> 00:36:34,916
Speaker 1: the paper right next to the bed, and as soon

724
00:36:34,996 --> 00:36:38,476
Speaker 1: as you wake up, trying not to move at all,

725
00:36:39,116 --> 00:36:41,996
Speaker 1: just start writing, like in whatever position you wake up in.

726
00:36:42,116 --> 00:36:44,516
Speaker 1: Because if you and there's another thing, if you ever

727
00:36:44,596 --> 00:36:47,396
Speaker 1: wake up after having a bad dream and you don't

728
00:36:47,436 --> 00:36:49,516
Speaker 1: want to remember the dream, if you shake your head,

729
00:36:50,556 --> 00:36:54,756
Speaker 1: the chemicals it's like it's a chemical reaction the dream.

730
00:36:55,356 --> 00:36:57,796
Speaker 1: So if you don't move, you have a better chance

731
00:36:57,876 --> 00:37:01,116
Speaker 1: of remembering the dream if you shake. If you move,

732
00:37:01,836 --> 00:37:06,396
Speaker 1: it like it dislodges the memory of the dream. Another

733
00:37:06,476 --> 00:37:08,436
Speaker 1: thing it's interesting is that as soon as you start

734
00:37:08,556 --> 00:37:11,316
Speaker 1: writing it, write as much as even if you don't

735
00:37:11,316 --> 00:37:14,156
Speaker 1: remember much, just remember, write down what you remember, and

736
00:37:14,276 --> 00:37:17,556
Speaker 1: you'll see through the process of writing it, more of

737
00:37:17,636 --> 00:37:21,876
Speaker 1: the dream will come back. It's like it's something about

738
00:37:21,916 --> 00:37:24,636
Speaker 1: that process of writing it down and thinking about it,

739
00:37:24,756 --> 00:37:27,876
Speaker 1: and it just starts. You'll think you remember like one

740
00:37:28,556 --> 00:37:31,356
Speaker 1: little picture, and you start writing to pick what the

741
00:37:31,436 --> 00:37:33,796
Speaker 1: picture is, and it's with as much detail as possible,

742
00:37:34,036 --> 00:37:37,956
Speaker 1: and then it'll end up going for pages of information. Wow,

743
00:37:38,636 --> 00:37:41,196
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start doing it. Actually, I feel like I

744
00:37:41,236 --> 00:37:43,556
Speaker 1: have to mention this too. The reason that I made

745
00:37:43,636 --> 00:37:47,076
Speaker 1: this album was because somebody that I was with, she

746
00:37:47,756 --> 00:37:51,836
Speaker 1: was obsessed with like old rock and roll music and

747
00:37:52,036 --> 00:37:57,036
Speaker 1: she would only only listen to it. And we would

748
00:37:57,076 --> 00:37:58,676
Speaker 1: hang out and I would try to play my music

749
00:37:58,756 --> 00:38:00,996
Speaker 1: around her and she would just she wasn't having it.

750
00:38:01,356 --> 00:38:03,436
Speaker 1: But like I loved her and we like spent all

751
00:38:03,476 --> 00:38:06,276
Speaker 1: of our time together and she just she would listen

752
00:38:06,356 --> 00:38:08,276
Speaker 1: to some of it, but she really wasn't having it,

753
00:38:08,396 --> 00:38:10,556
Speaker 1: and she would play guitar for herself. And she's an

754
00:38:10,556 --> 00:38:14,396
Speaker 1: amazing singer too. And oh, she's actually on a song

755
00:38:14,516 --> 00:38:16,796
Speaker 1: that I have called Photograph. She's on that song with

756
00:38:16,956 --> 00:38:19,836
Speaker 1: me because she wanted to be on the song and

757
00:38:19,916 --> 00:38:24,476
Speaker 1: it's about us breaking up. So she inspired me to

758
00:38:24,596 --> 00:38:29,076
Speaker 1: make this album because she made she changed my taste

759
00:38:29,076 --> 00:38:31,996
Speaker 1: of music. And it's actually something that I mentioned in

760
00:38:32,076 --> 00:38:34,276
Speaker 1: a song that I have called Fallen, which is on Sire,

761
00:38:34,516 --> 00:38:36,556
Speaker 1: where I say, you know, you change my taste of music.

762
00:38:36,876 --> 00:38:39,356
Speaker 1: But this is like the real repercussions of that really

763
00:38:39,396 --> 00:38:41,436
Speaker 1: playing out in Cool Tap Volume three, where it's like

764
00:38:41,996 --> 00:38:43,876
Speaker 1: even when we broke up, she made me want to

765
00:38:43,996 --> 00:38:46,716
Speaker 1: be like this thing that would be like good for

766
00:38:46,916 --> 00:38:50,636
Speaker 1: like the version of myself that she would want is

767
00:38:50,716 --> 00:38:53,396
Speaker 1: what I was like creating with Cool Tap Volume three

768
00:38:53,516 --> 00:38:55,876
Speaker 1: and a version of myself where I'm like, hey, let

769
00:38:55,956 --> 00:38:58,676
Speaker 1: me give this other thing a chance. Maybe she's a genius.

770
00:38:58,876 --> 00:39:00,236
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, she is, you know what

771
00:39:00,276 --> 00:39:02,476
Speaker 1: I'm like, maybe I should give this whole thing a chance.

772
00:39:02,516 --> 00:39:04,636
Speaker 1: And I went from being like, oh my gosh, my

773
00:39:04,756 --> 00:39:07,836
Speaker 1: girlfriend is playing you know these songs all all the

774
00:39:07,956 --> 00:39:10,156
Speaker 1: time to being like she's not here and I'm playing

775
00:39:10,196 --> 00:39:11,796
Speaker 1: them all the time, and I have the vinyls and

776
00:39:11,956 --> 00:39:15,436
Speaker 1: I'm da dada, I'm diving into it. And she really

777
00:39:15,636 --> 00:39:19,236
Speaker 1: really opened me up to a lot of different music.

778
00:39:19,356 --> 00:39:21,956
Speaker 1: And that's what took me down the place where it's

779
00:39:21,956 --> 00:39:23,516
Speaker 1: like I want to study this. I want to study this.

780
00:39:23,636 --> 00:39:26,076
Speaker 1: I want to study this and just go deeper and

781
00:39:26,196 --> 00:39:28,436
Speaker 1: deeper and deeper into it and not to study and

782
00:39:28,516 --> 00:39:33,396
Speaker 1: actual like visit places where historical things have happened. Like

783
00:39:33,636 --> 00:39:37,196
Speaker 1: I went to a studio here in Los Angeles where

784
00:39:37,676 --> 00:39:41,156
Speaker 1: I know that the Beach Boys recorded some of pet Sounds,

785
00:39:41,476 --> 00:39:43,556
Speaker 1: you know, And I went there and I just sat

786
00:39:43,636 --> 00:39:45,756
Speaker 1: there and I was like, this is just an amazing experience.

787
00:39:45,796 --> 00:39:47,356
Speaker 1: I just want to I just want to be in

788
00:39:47,436 --> 00:39:49,116
Speaker 1: this room to say that I've been in this room

789
00:39:49,516 --> 00:39:53,356
Speaker 1: not too long ago. I actually went to Liverpool not

790
00:39:53,396 --> 00:39:55,716
Speaker 1: too long ago because I just wanted to go. I

791
00:39:55,836 --> 00:39:57,316
Speaker 1: just wanted to go. I wanted to see it. I

792
00:39:57,356 --> 00:40:01,036
Speaker 1: sat next to the eleanor Rigby's statue. I went into

793
00:40:01,076 --> 00:40:02,956
Speaker 1: the Cavern Club, you know what I mean. I watched

794
00:40:02,996 --> 00:40:06,236
Speaker 1: people play on stage. I went to Penny Lane, I

795
00:40:06,436 --> 00:40:08,956
Speaker 1: got straight back onto the train and I had to

796
00:40:09,116 --> 00:40:11,396
Speaker 1: go back to London. But I was only there for

797
00:40:11,436 --> 00:40:12,996
Speaker 1: a second while I was like, I'm not gonna come

798
00:40:13,236 --> 00:40:15,636
Speaker 1: even close to this place without going, like I have

799
00:40:15,836 --> 00:40:17,516
Speaker 1: to go, and I have to go and see it.

800
00:40:18,116 --> 00:40:22,236
Speaker 1: And it was just such a beautiful experience. And while

801
00:40:22,276 --> 00:40:25,236
Speaker 1: I was there, my friend called me and he was like, Bro,

802
00:40:25,836 --> 00:40:29,396
Speaker 1: you have to see this new like TV show that

803
00:40:29,516 --> 00:40:32,356
Speaker 1: comes out. It's just Paul McCartney and Rick Rubin talking

804
00:40:32,396 --> 00:40:35,476
Speaker 1: about music. And I was like, Bro, there's no way

805
00:40:35,596 --> 00:40:37,756
Speaker 1: that you're calling me about this when I'm here on

806
00:40:37,916 --> 00:40:41,356
Speaker 1: Penny Lane right now in Liverpool, Like you can't be

807
00:40:41,516 --> 00:40:45,156
Speaker 1: talking to me about this, Like dude, this is crazy.

808
00:40:45,276 --> 00:40:48,116
Speaker 1: And then yeah, so like and and by the way,

809
00:40:48,156 --> 00:40:50,596
Speaker 1: that was just totally awesome everything you guys did together.

810
00:40:51,516 --> 00:40:53,916
Speaker 1: But yeah, I just love I love music. I love

811
00:40:54,036 --> 00:40:58,676
Speaker 1: music history and everything, and and just to study about

812
00:40:58,716 --> 00:41:01,276
Speaker 1: it because I feel like it can really inform what

813
00:41:01,916 --> 00:41:05,116
Speaker 1: we're doing now. Because I got so lost into the

814
00:41:05,356 --> 00:41:08,116
Speaker 1: charts of like where we're at right now and everybody's

815
00:41:08,156 --> 00:41:11,676
Speaker 1: releasing and take and everything. I got so lost that

816
00:41:11,836 --> 00:41:14,476
Speaker 1: I was like, hold on, let me just let me

817
00:41:14,516 --> 00:41:17,356
Speaker 1: take a bunch of steps back really quickly, and let

818
00:41:17,396 --> 00:41:19,476
Speaker 1: me educate myself and then let me try to come

819
00:41:19,516 --> 00:41:22,396
Speaker 1: out with something else. Two of the things you said

820
00:41:22,476 --> 00:41:25,916
Speaker 1: really resonate with me. One is going to a recording

821
00:41:25,956 --> 00:41:29,556
Speaker 1: studio where great things have been made. I historically have

822
00:41:29,716 --> 00:41:32,156
Speaker 1: always tried to work in place as much as possible

823
00:41:32,596 --> 00:41:35,316
Speaker 1: where there's a history of making good music in that space.

824
00:41:35,676 --> 00:41:37,436
Speaker 1: And I don't know what it is. It's like it's

825
00:41:37,476 --> 00:41:41,396
Speaker 1: like going to a great cathedral, you know, Like whenever

826
00:41:41,436 --> 00:41:43,276
Speaker 1: I go to New York, I always go to Saint

827
00:41:43,356 --> 00:41:47,836
Speaker 1: John the Divine in Harlem. There's a European style cathedral,

828
00:41:47,876 --> 00:41:51,276
Speaker 1: the only one in the United States in Harlem, and

829
00:41:51,356 --> 00:41:53,076
Speaker 1: I go there and I meditate every time I'm in

830
00:41:53,156 --> 00:41:56,716
Speaker 1: New York and just the feeling it's built to the

831
00:41:57,876 --> 00:42:00,596
Speaker 1: harmonic proportions of a human being. It's a it's a

832
00:42:00,876 --> 00:42:04,836
Speaker 1: huge structure, huge. You've heard the expression like the ring

833
00:42:04,916 --> 00:42:09,516
Speaker 1: of truth. You know, there's a there's a rhythm sence

834
00:42:09,716 --> 00:42:13,876
Speaker 1: in this room that's like the ring of truth when

835
00:42:13,956 --> 00:42:16,116
Speaker 1: you're when you're in it. So to just be in

836
00:42:16,236 --> 00:42:20,716
Speaker 1: that space really is enlivening. And the same is true

837
00:42:20,716 --> 00:42:23,636
Speaker 1: with recording studios that where you know, I've had the

838
00:42:24,076 --> 00:42:28,036
Speaker 1: great blessing of getting to work in Abbey Roads Studio too,

839
00:42:28,076 --> 00:42:30,796
Speaker 1: where the Beatles recorded not many times, but a couple

840
00:42:30,796 --> 00:42:34,836
Speaker 1: of times, and so much magic occurred in that room

841
00:42:35,716 --> 00:42:44,396
Speaker 1: that it can't help but have some effect. I don't

842
00:42:44,476 --> 00:42:47,796
Speaker 1: know whether it's a physical effect or a psychic effect

843
00:42:47,916 --> 00:42:50,356
Speaker 1: or a psychological effect. I don't know how it works.

844
00:42:51,276 --> 00:42:54,956
Speaker 1: But when you come into a place where something great happened,

845
00:42:56,076 --> 00:42:58,596
Speaker 1: I feel like you have an expectation in yourself to

846
00:42:58,756 --> 00:43:01,476
Speaker 1: like tap into whatever that is. You know. It's like

847
00:43:01,796 --> 00:43:03,996
Speaker 1: there are many arenas in the in the country, but

848
00:43:04,116 --> 00:43:07,916
Speaker 1: for some reason, Madison Square Garden has this like air

849
00:43:08,036 --> 00:43:12,276
Speaker 1: of magic about it, you know, like I think Former

850
00:43:12,356 --> 00:43:18,116
Speaker 1: Ali happened in Madison Square Garden. And so you can

851
00:43:18,196 --> 00:43:20,796
Speaker 1: play at NASA Coliseum an hour away, or you can

852
00:43:20,836 --> 00:43:23,516
Speaker 1: play at Madison Square Garden. They're about the same size,

853
00:43:23,996 --> 00:43:26,436
Speaker 1: and for some reason, when you're playing at Madison Square Garden,

854
00:43:26,476 --> 00:43:29,516
Speaker 1: it feels like it's historic and you're playing an hour

855
00:43:29,556 --> 00:43:32,436
Speaker 1: away to the same number of people in the same place,

856
00:43:32,476 --> 00:43:35,836
Speaker 1: and it just feels regular. So I mean, still great,

857
00:43:35,956 --> 00:43:38,436
Speaker 1: Still you know, twenty thousand people, twenty thousand people, But

858
00:43:38,956 --> 00:43:41,316
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, there's some magical thing that

859
00:43:41,436 --> 00:43:45,196
Speaker 1: these places take on that we can't understand, and if

860
00:43:45,356 --> 00:43:49,756
Speaker 1: any opportunities to tap into those energies feels really strong.

861
00:43:49,916 --> 00:43:53,236
Speaker 1: And then on the other side, seeing places that inspired

862
00:43:53,316 --> 00:43:57,116
Speaker 1: great songs, like I've never been to Penny Lane, but

863
00:43:57,196 --> 00:43:59,396
Speaker 1: when I think of the song Penny Lane, I think

864
00:43:59,436 --> 00:44:01,796
Speaker 1: a Penny Lane as a magical place. It doesn't exist

865
00:44:01,876 --> 00:44:04,156
Speaker 1: on the planet. So to be able to go there

866
00:44:04,236 --> 00:44:06,236
Speaker 1: and see that it's it's just a place that's part

867
00:44:06,316 --> 00:44:11,276
Speaker 1: of town helps us as creators to know, Oh, I

868
00:44:11,436 --> 00:44:16,676
Speaker 1: can notice the things around me, and depending on the

869
00:44:16,756 --> 00:44:19,036
Speaker 1: way I frame them and the story I tell with them,

870
00:44:19,156 --> 00:44:22,116
Speaker 1: someone else can have that experience like I have of

871
00:44:22,236 --> 00:44:24,956
Speaker 1: the magic place Penny Lane, or you know with the

872
00:44:25,036 --> 00:44:28,156
Speaker 1: Mamas and the Papas talking about California dreaming. When I

873
00:44:28,236 --> 00:44:30,796
Speaker 1: grew up in New York. Like for me, it was

874
00:44:30,836 --> 00:44:34,316
Speaker 1: a dream to someday get to see California, you know,

875
00:44:34,516 --> 00:44:37,276
Speaker 1: just because it was in the music, you know, I

876
00:44:37,436 --> 00:44:40,956
Speaker 1: wanted to just see it, just like someday Yeah, or

877
00:44:41,076 --> 00:44:44,716
Speaker 1: the San Francisco song Yeah, Flowers in your Hair San Francisco.

878
00:44:45,036 --> 00:44:47,156
Speaker 1: I remember going to Hey Ashbury and being like, oh

879
00:44:47,236 --> 00:44:50,156
Speaker 1: my gosh, like this is this is where they're writing

880
00:44:50,196 --> 00:44:52,876
Speaker 1: the song about, like hippie Hill, like San Francisco. Like

881
00:44:53,196 --> 00:44:55,316
Speaker 1: I've been here, but not like this, you know what

882
00:44:55,476 --> 00:44:58,316
Speaker 1: I mean. Like it was like this is the coolest thing.

883
00:44:58,396 --> 00:45:00,796
Speaker 1: And then I actually performed in San Francisco. Sadly it

884
00:45:00,876 --> 00:45:02,756
Speaker 1: wasn't for this album, but I still didn't and I

885
00:45:02,876 --> 00:45:05,596
Speaker 1: was like, man, this is amazing. This is cool, you know,

886
00:45:05,836 --> 00:45:08,156
Speaker 1: I love it. And yeah, everything you're saying it is

887
00:45:08,196 --> 00:45:11,276
Speaker 1: just so so true and it's it's just beautiful. I

888
00:45:11,556 --> 00:45:14,756
Speaker 1: remember I went to I was in Milan and there's

889
00:45:14,796 --> 00:45:19,396
Speaker 1: this magnificent like cathedral in Milan as well, and it

890
00:45:19,516 --> 00:45:21,236
Speaker 1: was my first time going there and it was just

891
00:45:21,356 --> 00:45:24,836
Speaker 1: so tall and so amazing that it's like certain spaces

892
00:45:24,916 --> 00:45:29,796
Speaker 1: they really truly do hold a specific energy and it

893
00:45:29,916 --> 00:45:32,756
Speaker 1: will affect us and like how you're saying in some

894
00:45:33,476 --> 00:45:36,116
Speaker 1: type of way, I don't know how, but it truly does,

895
00:45:36,236 --> 00:45:40,476
Speaker 1: and it's just it's beautiful. What have you been listening

896
00:45:40,516 --> 00:45:42,716
Speaker 1: too lately? Where would you say your paste range? Now?

897
00:45:43,356 --> 00:45:45,876
Speaker 1: So I've been listening to a lot of the same stuff.

898
00:45:45,996 --> 00:45:48,516
Speaker 1: So I'm just listening a lot of the Beach Boys

899
00:45:48,636 --> 00:45:50,996
Speaker 1: because I'm trying to work on my harmonies. And then

900
00:45:51,036 --> 00:45:53,956
Speaker 1: I also feel like, you know, I love the Beatles

901
00:45:54,036 --> 00:45:56,316
Speaker 1: so much, and I love going to London and going

902
00:45:56,396 --> 00:45:58,556
Speaker 1: down and like, you know, just a second ago, I

903
00:45:58,676 --> 00:46:00,596
Speaker 1: went outside of the Abbey Road studios and I just

904
00:46:00,676 --> 00:46:03,036
Speaker 1: looked at the things and the things and I was like, yes,

905
00:46:03,196 --> 00:46:05,876
Speaker 1: this is amazing. But with the Beach Boys, I feel like,

906
00:46:06,716 --> 00:46:08,116
Speaker 1: I don't know, I feel like it's buried in my

907
00:46:08,236 --> 00:46:12,916
Speaker 1: soul somehow because it's like Malimpo, like that's where I

908
00:46:12,996 --> 00:46:14,716
Speaker 1: grew up, you know what I mean. I feel like

909
00:46:14,756 --> 00:46:17,316
Speaker 1: I've walked on the same sand as them, you know,

910
00:46:17,476 --> 00:46:20,156
Speaker 1: and I'm so connected to it. So I'm listening to

911
00:46:20,196 --> 00:46:23,876
Speaker 1: a lot of the Beach Boys. I'm listening to obviously

912
00:46:23,916 --> 00:46:26,756
Speaker 1: a lot of the Beatles. I'm listening to a lot

913
00:46:26,796 --> 00:46:30,396
Speaker 1: of Homeshake and now I'm starting to listen to rap

914
00:46:30,556 --> 00:46:33,996
Speaker 1: music again, and I really am listening to a lot

915
00:46:33,996 --> 00:46:36,556
Speaker 1: of trip called quest though, that's what I'm really listening

916
00:46:36,636 --> 00:46:38,476
Speaker 1: to a lot of. Yeah, I really liked when you

917
00:46:38,556 --> 00:46:41,636
Speaker 1: did your your radio show on Apple. I thought you

918
00:46:41,796 --> 00:46:44,596
Speaker 1: picked great your music. I wanted to ask, like, where

919
00:46:44,596 --> 00:46:46,916
Speaker 1: do you hear new music? What's your What are the

920
00:46:46,996 --> 00:46:49,596
Speaker 1: ways that you find the new things that speak to you.

921
00:46:50,276 --> 00:46:55,076
Speaker 1: There's the show on Apple TV. It's called nineteen seventy one,

922
00:46:55,716 --> 00:46:59,156
Speaker 1: and I'm watching this this new show, and it's really

923
00:46:59,196 --> 00:47:01,996
Speaker 1: about history of music. And I like to go back

924
00:47:02,196 --> 00:47:06,556
Speaker 1: and and find like really dope albums that I find

925
00:47:06,636 --> 00:47:08,676
Speaker 1: in the history of music, like Tapestry, you know what

926
00:47:08,796 --> 00:47:13,596
Speaker 1: I mean, and finding old, old, just songs that I

927
00:47:13,716 --> 00:47:17,036
Speaker 1: never heard of before, or like Slide the Family Stone.

928
00:47:17,716 --> 00:47:19,836
Speaker 1: People that I've heard of are like, oh, yeah, I've

929
00:47:19,916 --> 00:47:22,276
Speaker 1: heard this song before, but not like, oh, let me

930
00:47:22,396 --> 00:47:25,356
Speaker 1: listen to the whole album. So that's really how I've

931
00:47:25,356 --> 00:47:28,876
Speaker 1: been doing it, is going and just going backwards to

932
00:47:28,996 --> 00:47:32,516
Speaker 1: find music, and then also just like finding somebody that

933
00:47:32,596 --> 00:47:34,196
Speaker 1: I like, like Slide the Family Stone, and then just

934
00:47:34,276 --> 00:47:37,156
Speaker 1: being like all right, cool, I'm going to look at

935
00:47:37,156 --> 00:47:39,436
Speaker 1: their related artists. You know, I'm going to look at

936
00:47:39,476 --> 00:47:42,396
Speaker 1: their contemporaries or who did they listen to? You know,

937
00:47:42,436 --> 00:47:44,556
Speaker 1: I'm always looking for what other people are listening to,

938
00:47:45,116 --> 00:47:48,236
Speaker 1: and that's how I try to find new songs. And

939
00:47:48,356 --> 00:47:52,436
Speaker 1: I also just feel like so much like music history

940
00:47:52,556 --> 00:47:55,556
Speaker 1: related content is coming out too, because people are really

941
00:47:55,636 --> 00:47:58,276
Speaker 1: getting interested in this, it feels like and it's just

942
00:47:58,396 --> 00:48:00,596
Speaker 1: a blessing for those of us who are out there

943
00:48:00,636 --> 00:48:02,796
Speaker 1: just trying to learn more and learn more about it.

944
00:48:03,396 --> 00:48:06,676
Speaker 1: Who your favorite rappers? I'm going to start off this

945
00:48:06,876 --> 00:48:09,156
Speaker 1: is like not in order of like number one, but

946
00:48:09,236 --> 00:48:11,916
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna be like Q tip you know for sure,

947
00:48:12,516 --> 00:48:16,476
Speaker 1: and then or just try to call question general. I

948
00:48:16,596 --> 00:48:20,516
Speaker 1: gotta say jay Z too, I gotta say most deaf,

949
00:48:21,276 --> 00:48:23,636
Speaker 1: Q tip jay Z, most Deff. I gotta say Biggie,

950
00:48:23,996 --> 00:48:26,876
Speaker 1: and I also have to say Tupac. I also love

951
00:48:26,956 --> 00:48:32,676
Speaker 1: caras work. Do you write down either lyrics or phrases?

952
00:48:32,996 --> 00:48:34,956
Speaker 1: Like just in life? If you if you get either

953
00:48:35,076 --> 00:48:38,956
Speaker 1: a phrase or a couplet, would you write it down? Yeah,

954
00:48:39,396 --> 00:48:41,316
Speaker 1: Like I might think of something like while I'm up

955
00:48:41,356 --> 00:48:44,076
Speaker 1: on the hill, like oh, you know, like like fragmented

956
00:48:44,276 --> 00:48:46,956
Speaker 1: like rainbow, like a piece of a rainbow that you

957
00:48:46,996 --> 00:48:50,516
Speaker 1: would see like oh okay, yeah, that's tight, like fragmented

958
00:48:50,636 --> 00:48:53,916
Speaker 1: rainbow or like rainbow bap or like you know, I

959
00:48:53,956 --> 00:48:55,516
Speaker 1: feel like Cavin Fever was like that a lot, a

960
00:48:55,556 --> 00:48:58,196
Speaker 1: little bit, like I got that Cavin fever, you know,

961
00:48:58,476 --> 00:49:01,836
Speaker 1: just like writing that down. Yeah, I'm definitely just writing

962
00:49:01,916 --> 00:49:04,716
Speaker 1: random things down at different times to like try to

963
00:49:04,796 --> 00:49:08,356
Speaker 1: pull to pull from or like just remembering certain things,

964
00:49:08,516 --> 00:49:11,276
Speaker 1: Like there's all these equestrian trails around me, so it's like,

965
00:49:11,356 --> 00:49:13,476
Speaker 1: you know, making a song it's just about the equestrian

966
00:49:13,516 --> 00:49:17,276
Speaker 1: trail because that's where I was when like Sire was born,

967
00:49:17,516 --> 00:49:21,596
Speaker 1: you know, and that could be like your Penny Lane. Yeah, yeah, totally, yeah, yeah,

968
00:49:21,996 --> 00:49:25,676
Speaker 1: because totally you know, it's like trying to create something

969
00:49:25,796 --> 00:49:28,756
Speaker 1: magical out of just an ordinary, mundane thing that's in

970
00:49:28,876 --> 00:49:32,076
Speaker 1: my neighborhood. Cool. It may be too soon to ask this,

971
00:49:32,316 --> 00:49:35,356
Speaker 1: but is do you really have a vision of what

972
00:49:35,636 --> 00:49:38,196
Speaker 1: the next like, what the next phase of your work

973
00:49:38,316 --> 00:49:41,996
Speaker 1: is going to be like compared to what you're doing now. Yeah. Yeah,

974
00:49:42,156 --> 00:49:45,916
Speaker 1: because I realized because I just did a performance recently,

975
00:49:46,156 --> 00:49:51,036
Speaker 1: and during that performance, I realized that this album has

976
00:49:51,116 --> 00:49:55,116
Speaker 1: been made in like by myself pretty much. I made

977
00:49:55,156 --> 00:49:57,876
Speaker 1: it during Like Quarantine and Like Being Alone, which was

978
00:49:57,956 --> 00:50:00,436
Speaker 1: perfect for the album, and it's made for people who

979
00:50:00,476 --> 00:50:05,716
Speaker 1: are in their rooms, who you know, maybe are meditating

980
00:50:06,236 --> 00:50:08,916
Speaker 1: or on some type of psychedelic journey on the top

981
00:50:08,916 --> 00:50:11,236
Speaker 1: of a hill or in their room, or just vibing

982
00:50:11,276 --> 00:50:13,356
Speaker 1: out for a day, to just kind of catch a

983
00:50:13,436 --> 00:50:15,756
Speaker 1: vibe and to tap into the flow of just like

984
00:50:16,196 --> 00:50:19,436
Speaker 1: happiness in the world, in life, you know. And so

985
00:50:19,716 --> 00:50:23,756
Speaker 1: for this next phase of my musical journey, I think

986
00:50:23,876 --> 00:50:26,516
Speaker 1: that I'm really going to tap back into what it's

987
00:50:26,556 --> 00:50:29,796
Speaker 1: like to be in large crowds with people, because that's

988
00:50:29,836 --> 00:50:32,556
Speaker 1: something that I haven't been experiencing for a very long

989
00:50:32,676 --> 00:50:37,356
Speaker 1: time and that none of us have. So I think slowly,

990
00:50:37,476 --> 00:50:41,036
Speaker 1: by the time my next series of projects come out,

991
00:50:41,836 --> 00:50:43,636
Speaker 1: the world will be ready for that, and I'm actually

992
00:50:43,756 --> 00:50:47,516
Speaker 1: gonna hopefully be able to perform in front of people,

993
00:50:47,956 --> 00:50:50,236
Speaker 1: so that I'm going to make music that's conducive to

994
00:50:50,356 --> 00:50:53,636
Speaker 1: that and try to get back into inter wrapping, but

995
00:50:53,756 --> 00:50:57,796
Speaker 1: in a way that I feel like works with all

996
00:50:57,836 --> 00:51:01,396
Speaker 1: of the things I've learned up to this point. Cool Man,

997
00:51:01,956 --> 00:51:04,676
Speaker 1: it's a pleasure speaking to you. Thank you so much

998
00:51:04,836 --> 00:51:07,476
Speaker 1: for this opportunity. I feel like I've learned so much,

999
00:51:08,156 --> 00:51:11,276
Speaker 1: you know, just getting and talking to you. And can

1000
00:51:11,356 --> 00:51:15,116
Speaker 1: I just ask you why you you chose to interview

1001
00:51:15,196 --> 00:51:17,516
Speaker 1: me today and what made you think that? As I

1002
00:51:17,636 --> 00:51:19,236
Speaker 1: told I told you in the beginning, I was, I

1003
00:51:20,076 --> 00:51:21,796
Speaker 1: saw a poster up, It's like, oh, he's got a

1004
00:51:21,876 --> 00:51:23,436
Speaker 1: new album out, it'd be fun to talk to him.

1005
00:51:23,676 --> 00:51:25,916
Speaker 1: We never I mean, we see each other around and

1006
00:51:26,036 --> 00:51:28,156
Speaker 1: we say hello, but we've never really talked so much.

1007
00:51:28,236 --> 00:51:31,356
Speaker 1: And like the beauty of this doing this is I

1008
00:51:31,436 --> 00:51:34,556
Speaker 1: get to talk to people who even people I know

1009
00:51:34,796 --> 00:51:38,596
Speaker 1: well through this process, we get to talk about stuff

1010
00:51:38,596 --> 00:51:41,516
Speaker 1: we don't normally talk about when we you know, when

1011
00:51:41,516 --> 00:51:44,436
Speaker 1: we're hanging out. I never asked like, um, I saw

1012
00:51:44,836 --> 00:51:48,036
Speaker 1: I've been working with the Chili Peppers for twenty nine years,

1013
00:51:48,716 --> 00:51:52,356
Speaker 1: and I interviewed Flee for something and I asked them

1014
00:51:52,396 --> 00:51:55,156
Speaker 1: all these questions. Now, I've known him for twenty nine years,

1015
00:51:55,196 --> 00:51:57,236
Speaker 1: but I don't know anything about him. I know about

1016
00:51:57,476 --> 00:52:00,196
Speaker 1: how we make music together, but I don't really know

1017
00:52:00,556 --> 00:52:03,156
Speaker 1: anything else other than what has happened to come up

1018
00:52:03,516 --> 00:52:08,196
Speaker 1: during those times. So it's fascinating both with people that

1019
00:52:08,836 --> 00:52:11,796
Speaker 1: I already know and then people who I just you know,

1020
00:52:11,876 --> 00:52:15,316
Speaker 1: see from a distance and I'm curious, like be fun

1021
00:52:15,396 --> 00:52:18,676
Speaker 1: to talk, see see what I see, what's going on inside.

1022
00:52:19,516 --> 00:52:22,276
Speaker 1: I'm so I'm so happy, I'm so honored and yeah,

1023
00:52:22,396 --> 00:52:24,996
Speaker 1: thank you so much for this. Honestly, this is really

1024
00:52:25,116 --> 00:52:27,716
Speaker 1: like this has just been a dream come true for me.

1025
00:52:27,876 --> 00:52:34,076
Speaker 1: So I really appreciate you. Pleasure Sara. Same thanks to

1026
00:52:34,196 --> 00:52:36,836
Speaker 1: Jaden Smith for sharing the inspiration for his latest album,

1027
00:52:36,996 --> 00:52:40,156
Speaker 1: Cool Tape Volume three Deluxe with Rick. You can check

1028
00:52:40,196 --> 00:52:42,756
Speaker 1: out all our favorite Jaden Smith songs at broken Record

1029
00:52:42,836 --> 00:52:45,596
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1030
00:52:45,676 --> 00:52:49,156
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1031
00:52:49,276 --> 00:52:51,756
Speaker 1: can find all our new episodes and you can follow

1032
00:52:51,796 --> 00:52:54,916
Speaker 1: us on Twitter at broken Record. Broken Record is produced

1033
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1034
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1035
00:53:03,116 --> 00:53:06,916
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