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Speaker 1: Welcome to The Insiders.

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Speaker 2: I am Judy Batista, Steve Wish, Sarah Walsh, Omar Ruiz our.

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Speaker 1: Special guest stars.

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Speaker 2: This is part two of our YouTube show and podcast.

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Speaker 2: We are looking at the Unique fourteen results. I'm looking

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Speaker 2: forward to week fifteen and beyond. Let's look several steps

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Speaker 2: beyond with the story that has like, it's confusing to me.

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Speaker 2: I have no idea what to make of this. Bill

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Speaker 2: Belichick talking to the University of North Carolina about being

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Speaker 2: a Tar Heels head coach. They have a vacant head

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Speaker 2: coaching position, and Belichick, arguably the greatest NFL coach in

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Speaker 2: history six Super Bowls with the New England Patriots, but

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Speaker 2: not coaching this year. He has basically every media job

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Speaker 2: that is available. He wants, apparently very badly, to get

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Speaker 2: back into coaching. I warn us all to weigh in

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Speaker 2: on this. I have no idea what to make of this.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: How serious this is.

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Speaker 2: Steve, I just can't help but think, like, is Bill

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Speaker 2: Belichick really going to go into the college world of

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Speaker 2: nils and transfer portals.

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Speaker 1: It's marked for me to imagine how that would go.

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Speaker 3: Can you imagine? Because then the script to be flipped

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Speaker 3: on him.

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Speaker 4: Right, Instead of cutting players a year early, those players

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Speaker 4: are dipping out on him a year early, and that's

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Speaker 4: going to drive him crazy.

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Speaker 3: This is so layered in so many different ways.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: First off, let's look at it from the NFL's perspective.

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Speaker 4: Last year when he was available, there was not a

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Speaker 4: long list of teams lining up to bring him into

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Speaker 4: their building.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 3: We know the Falcons Falkins initially won him.

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Speaker 4: They spoke to him, but then Arthur Blank kind of

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Speaker 4: got talked out of that, the owner of the Falcons,

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Speaker 4: by people in his building, Like, you know, if he

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Speaker 4: comes in here, all of this that you've established over

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Speaker 4: the past twenty years goes out the window.

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Speaker 3: Okay. Is that a good thing or a bad thing whatever.

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Speaker 4: Some organizations absolutely need that.

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Speaker 3: That wasn't the case for Atlanta.

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Speaker 4: Everything I'm hearing is it's the same type of temperature

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Speaker 4: when it comes to Belichick. In the NFL, right now,

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Speaker 4: people want Ben Johnson, Right, Liam Cohen down with the

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Speaker 4: Buccaneers is going to get some interviews. There's some young

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Speaker 4: maybe Brian Flores, maybe you know, Aaron Glenn, some guys

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Speaker 4: like this.

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Speaker 3: Those are the names you hear. You're not hearing Bill.

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Speaker 4: Belichick, and that's because of again his whole organizational transformation

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Speaker 4: that he is going to bring into your building.

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Speaker 3: North Carolina seems down for that.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if I'm on a college level, Sarah,

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Speaker 4: Bill Belichick will want to take college jobs.

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Speaker 3: Wouldn't you talk to him about that?

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Speaker 1: Because before one thing, I should have mentioned this.

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Speaker 2: He was just on McAfee only a few hours before

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Speaker 2: where you're taping right now, and one of two of

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Speaker 2: the things he said were really interesting. He said he

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Speaker 2: would run it like you do an NFL organization, right, fascinating,

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Speaker 2: And he also sort of made his recruiting pitch saying, well,

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Speaker 2: I think with my contacts in the NFL and I

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Speaker 2: would know how to get them ready for the NFL,

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Speaker 2: which certainly sounds like something he would say if he's

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Speaker 1: Sarah bikes, yeah, Dion says the same thing. You know, yeah, right.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I think there's a long list of people

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Speaker 6: an entirely different not a different sport, but a different

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Speaker 6: just it doesn't transfer. The same way you treat professional

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Speaker 6: eighteen year old kid. Now that being said, and this

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Speaker 6: is something you sort of said, Steve, the college world

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Speaker 6: is vastly different today than it was even five years ago.

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Speaker 6: You're dealing with stuff, and we're seeing college coaches exit

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Speaker 6: the game for that very reason. I think it's probably

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Speaker 6: harder than ever to be a college football coach, a

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Speaker 6: because of what you're dealing with. I think the college

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Speaker 6: game is. We know the hours that coaches put in, right,

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Speaker 6: there is an entirely different layer that I think you

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Speaker 1: Do you want to do that? Does it?

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Speaker 6: Now? I have zero inside information on this, right does

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Speaker 6: it seem like Bill Belichick like wants to dive into

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Speaker 6: that world? I mean I have friends that are college

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Speaker 6: it is that you have to go and like meet

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Speaker 6: It's just completely different, and I think that they not

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Speaker 6: only do you have to be built for it, right,

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Speaker 6: but it's it's different now than it was a couple

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Speaker 6: And these kids are all trying to leave now. Granted

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Speaker 6: this isn't an SEC school where that's clearly more prevalent

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Speaker 6: but uh, it just doesn't seem like somebody who is

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Speaker 6: a hard nosed football coach. Judy, You've mentioned it. He

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Speaker 6: wants to coach, He loves to coach, don't I don't

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Speaker 1: Doesn't seem to me.

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Speaker 6: I don't think that he would love to do the

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Speaker 5: And not to mention, he's this close to Don Shula,

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Speaker 5: probably a couple winning seasons away from passing Don Shula

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Speaker 5: the all time wins record. But I don't see it,

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Speaker 5: and I don't want to see it. This is like

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Speaker 7: In a Mets uniform.

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Speaker 5: To see Bill Belichick roaming the college sidelines, and I

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Speaker 5: just think back to his relationship with Nick Saban and

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Speaker 5: we saw the greatest college coach obviously of this generation

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Speaker 5: and maybe beyond walk away for all these reasons that

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Speaker 5: you guys just outlined. So I can't see Bill Belichick

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Speaker 5: going to the college game for that. But you know,

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Speaker 5: see if you mentioned the temperature and you know, not

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Speaker 5: being you know, so hot again for Bill and perhaps

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Speaker 5: this coaching cycle that's upcoming. And I just can't help

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Speaker 5: but think about how in today's day and age, we

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Speaker 7: And everybody has all those experts and everything, and owners

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Speaker 7: are aware of the numbers and this and that. And

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Speaker 7: I just think of Bill Belichick's record without Tom Brady.

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Speaker 5: That goes back to Cleveland, it goes back to post

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Speaker 5: Tom Brady in New England. How things unwrapped quickly and

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Speaker 7: Tom Brady's winning another Super Bowl.

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Speaker 5: On Tampa and I just think if you're an owner

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Speaker 5: and you just see that just without much more information

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Speaker 5: than that, just seeing what the records were without Tom Brady,

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Speaker 5: I have a hard time, like you mentioned, Steve handing

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Speaker 5: my entire organization to the Bill Belichick environment, you know,

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Speaker 5: based of that. And I think, you know, maybe he

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Speaker 5: happened in New England like that.

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Speaker 1: But I think of bringing Tom to yeah exactly, and

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Speaker 1: then yeah, that's it.

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Speaker 5: You know, he's he's now like Fox. So it's just

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Speaker 5: it just seems kind of hard pressed. You know, I

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Speaker 5: don't see him going to the college game, but in

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Speaker 5: the NFL, you know, for those reasons, I just don't

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Speaker 5: see him being a front runner for a job at

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Speaker 5: this time, especially when you mentioned like guys like Ben

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Speaker 5: Johnson just you know, so hot out there.

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Speaker 4: Well, I guess you mentioned the Pat McAfee interview. Belichick

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Speaker 4: said his phone is not wrong, right, I personally know

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Speaker 4: there are coaches out there who.

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Speaker 3: Are being contacted by teams.

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Speaker 1: Don't forget. I mean, Bill Belichick is a free agent.

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Speaker 1: We should make that clear he teams.

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Speaker 2: Could contact him now, right. I think the other question

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Speaker 2: And again, what kind of opening will it be?

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Speaker 3: Right like?

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Speaker 2: Is it is it an owner who is so desperate

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Speaker 2: to do something that they would say, here, Bill, here's

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Speaker 2: the entire organization.

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Speaker 1: To do with it what you will. There's not that

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Speaker 2: And one thing we saw last year when we were

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Speaker 2: I think most people anticipated there would be was owners

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Speaker 2: seemed to gravitate last year toward younger coaches, certainly offensive

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Speaker 2: of positive reinforcement styles of coaching, right, the sort of

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Speaker 2: Dave Canalis model of you're going to build players up.

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Speaker 2: That's not how Bill Belichick coaches. He is a hard coach.

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Speaker 2: It worked with Tom Brady brilliantly because Tom Brady wanted

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Speaker 2: when Tom Brady had enough of that. But it's hard

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Speaker 2: for me to imagine that we've seen the last of

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Speaker 2: Bill Belichick in the NFL. But I am really curious

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Speaker 2: in the next few weeks when we get to the

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Speaker 2: day after the season, how many jobs are going to

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Speaker 2: be open and are there going to be Is there

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Speaker 2: going to be a job that would be a good

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Speaker 2: fit for Bill Belichick? I don't know the answer.

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Speaker 4: Let's tackle the elephant in the room. Everyone's linking him

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Speaker 4: to the Dallas Cowboys. I don't see that. I honestly

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Speaker 4: don't see it from both sides. Does he want Jerry

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Speaker 3: Room post game? Hell no, that's not going to happen,

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Speaker 4: Let Bill come in and run his building, because you

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Speaker 4: know he's going to have to have his personnel people,

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Speaker 4: he's gonna lock doors where people are walking through right now, Like,

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Speaker 4: that's not how that's going to operate. I could see

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Speaker 4: maybe a place like Jacksonville, which is you know, shy

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Speaker 4: con to me, he is a very good owner. He's

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Speaker 4: tried everything except some one like Belichick. But other than that,

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Speaker 4: he's not going to Chicago.

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Speaker 3: That's I mean, you.

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Speaker 1: Look at someone the all it's a small pool.

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Speaker 4: Small New Orleans isn't gonna pay fifteen million dollars, so

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Speaker 4: it's going to be a very small thing. And that's

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Speaker 4: to me, here's a college job for you, Navy, you

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Speaker 4: won't have to do that.

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Speaker 1: Coach there. He loves the academy.

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Speaker 2: All right, Let's let's move to the Philadelphia Eagles, who

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Speaker 2: clinched a playoff spot.

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Speaker 1: They're winning.

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Speaker 2: Saquon Barkley is awesome and A. J. Brown had a

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Speaker 2: really interesting comment after the game. They asked him, what

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Speaker 2: do you guys need to do better? And he just

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Speaker 1: And I didn't take that as a J.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 3: Are they losing? No, they're winning they're winning.

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Speaker 4: I Jalen Hurts are throwing the ball twenty two times

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Speaker 3: You know, you're not seeing these guys.

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Speaker 4: You're seeing James Winston throw it fifty times a game

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Speaker 3: That's what you have to do. So I know that

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Speaker 4: If Jalen Hurts has to go out there and throw

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Speaker 4: and they're gonna do it well. I don't think they're

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Speaker 3: They're just doing it.

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Speaker 4: Works now behind a great offensive line, a running back

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Speaker 6: They're eleven and two. Again. I kind of like if

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Speaker 6: a good problem to have. Like that's a good problem

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Speaker 6: I don't think that they're talking about passing issues. If

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Speaker 6: And we started talking about this early on today. They

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Speaker 6: I'm assuming they would try to. I don't know whether

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Speaker 6: You know, you go back to where this Eagles team

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Speaker 6: What about Jalen Hurts? They're eleven and two. There are

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Speaker 6: many many teams that would love to trade places with them,

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Speaker 6: you know. A. J. Brown did talk about it's hard

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Speaker 7: Well, this is a team that obviously was in the

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Speaker 5: They've been to that near the mountaintop and knows how

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Speaker 7: Two and two.

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Speaker 5: You know, they weren't playing awfully, but it just felt

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Speaker 3: They were.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about whether Belichick could go there.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, yes, And obviously they've won nine cents nine

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Speaker 5: And I think Steve you and I were talking offline,

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Speaker 5: But for me to see Fletcher Cox walk out of

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Speaker 5: We all know that Jalen Hurts is an incredible leader,

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Speaker 5: But Sirianni bringing that all together, that locker room to

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Speaker 7: And very much in the thicket things.

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Speaker 5: NFC playoff picture, I think as a testament to Sirianni

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Speaker 5: the jockey does and really get the stench of last

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Speaker 1: You do wonder if they're ever really happy in Philadelphia.

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Speaker 1: See what I did there?

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Speaker 3: Well gone, well gone?

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Speaker 2: All right, Let's hit the NFC South, which has seen

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 6: It's over for the Bucks.

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Speaker 6: You're I mean up and down across the board. No

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Speaker 6: If you looked at picks like it feels like every

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Speaker 1: Many years in a row.

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Speaker 6: Now we have won this division. We have been in

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Speaker 6: I think that they feel like they're poised to be

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Speaker 6: what Todd Bowles has been dealing with is, again, every

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Speaker 6: This is a guy that they pulled off the practice squad.

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Speaker 6: the Falcons have handed it right back over at this point,

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Speaker 6: So I think the be there. I'm not sure though.

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Speaker 6: Look like you can dig in, you can find this guy,

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Speaker 6: and you can find this dime in the rough, and

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Speaker 6: you got to coach him up and all those things.

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Speaker 6: But but man, it is it is really really adding

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Speaker 6: up over there, and you just couldn't have like another

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Speaker 6: guy go down and it was Antoine and that that hurts.

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Speaker 4: At the same time, I think the Bucks are where

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Speaker 4: they are is because you look at this division, they're

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Speaker 4: the most stable. Even if you lose Tom Brady, you know,

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Speaker 4: you get Baker in there and they stabilize. You lose

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Speaker 4: Dave Canalis. Liam Cohen comes in, that offense is rolling.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, really good underrated Steve honestly, probably what Liam Cohen's doing.

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Speaker 6: By the way, this has been like rushing yards per game.

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Speaker 6: They've been terrible dead last. I think the last couple

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Speaker 6: of years of the NFL they're up their top ten.

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Speaker 6: Bucky Irving's gone off for Sean White's gone out Liam Cohen,

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Speaker 6: you know, because because Davis send it over to being

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Speaker 6: a head coach after one year as an offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 6: And I don't think the Bucks, and they'll be happy

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Speaker 6: to tell you they don't get the attention they think

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Speaker 6: they deserve. That offense has been really good. Baker has

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Speaker 6: been really good. Baker is this spar plug. People love Baker.

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Speaker 6: I can't say it enough how beloved he is. Some

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Speaker 6: of the plays he's made this year that are just

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Speaker 6: just fire people up to no end, and you kind

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Speaker 6: of always feel like you have a chance. But to

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Speaker 6: your point about Liam Cohen, I don't know that he's

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Speaker 6: gotten the credit for really again.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's not might not be there next year.

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Speaker 3: He's getting good job interviews.

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Speaker 6: I know well that if that happens again, you'd be like,

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Speaker 6: I mean, this is like a we're just growing head

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Speaker 6: coaches down here.

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Speaker 3: It could very well happen again. It could very trust me.

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Speaker 3: Liam Cohen is very highly regarded by some teams in

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Speaker 3: the NFL. But let's talk about some of these other teams.

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Speaker 4: Derek Carr is now probably out for the season, even

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Speaker 4: though they won't say his week to week he's got

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Speaker 4: a fracture in his non throwing hand.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, you can't take a snap. You can't take a

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Speaker 3: hit even if you're non throwing.

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Speaker 1: And he's in the concussion protocol too, and.

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Speaker 3: He's in the concussion Yeah, and the Saints. You know

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Speaker 3: who knows it's the NFC South.

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Speaker 4: The Falcons are a mess right now because one game

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Speaker 4: Kirk plays well well, the defense doesn't look tough, like

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Speaker 4: they can't play. They cannot play, and there they just

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Speaker 4: make the dumbest mistakes at twelve penalty yesterday, to go

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Speaker 4: along with everything else, with the quarterback play, with the giveaways.

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Speaker 3: Yet they had Carolina. Yeah, they're the feisty train that could,

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Speaker 3: but guess what they can't.

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Speaker 1: But I am happy about Bryce Young.

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Speaker 2: I am thrilled that Bryce Young has sort of pulled

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Speaker 2: himself up out of the seems to be showing what

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Speaker 2: we thought.

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Speaker 6: They have been sneaky there at the end of a

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Speaker 6: lot of games. I know people don't pay attention to Carolina,

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Speaker 6: but I was there when the Chiefs were there. I

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Speaker 6: mean they almost have said the Chiefs they had the Eagles.

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Speaker 6: I'm curious though, Steve, because you know, obviously Raheem and Atlanta,

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Speaker 6: Will and Judy, you were just with him. He's stepfast

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Speaker 6: and curse our guy, and I get it right. I

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Speaker 6: think it's it's a little bit dicey to be throwing

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Speaker 6: in this rookie which people are now plammering for, and

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Speaker 6: you know how that goes. But if he doesn't make

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Speaker 6: a switch, if this doesn't change, if they let this

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Speaker 6: slip away, how much is this going to go down?

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Speaker 6: As Raheem wouldn't make the sweat, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 6: like getting into that territory of like you got to

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Speaker 6: back you want to back your guy. But if if

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Speaker 6: it continues down that same path, like is Rahiem gonna

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Speaker 6: wear that for not making the switch?

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Speaker 1: If he should have?

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Speaker 3: I don't know he should he should, I mean, it's

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Speaker 3: his call.

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Speaker 4: Arthur Blank is a very involved owner, but he does

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Speaker 4: not make football decisions and that this will come down

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Speaker 4: to him. And if they say, well, the young guy's

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Speaker 4: not ready, it's week fifteen, man, why isn't he ready?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: So that he has not taken first team snaps as

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Speaker 2: I've been told, like not, yes, they have not tried

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Speaker 2: to get him ready.

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Speaker 3: There's no well, I.

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Speaker 4: Mean, okay, so what do you do. Are you play

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Speaker 4: Katie Kirks ego, are you like to me? That's an

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Speaker 4: organizational failure, right? If he is not ready to go

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Speaker 4: in at a moment like this, then that is an

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Speaker 4: organizational failure. So again, Atlanta, maybe they can recoup and

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Speaker 4: get it going and Kirk can get hot and young

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Speaker 4: waycooka start making kicks. I mean, there's been a myriad

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Speaker 4: of reasons why they haven't been able to sustain. But again,

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Speaker 4: it's one of these teams we're seeing across the NFL

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Speaker 4: was becoming more like Major League Baseball that haves and

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Speaker 4: have not. The Falcons assembled the nice roster, but they

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Speaker 4: have not assembled an ice team. And that's and I

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Speaker 4: think there's a difference.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk. I want to before we get

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Speaker 1: to Omar. I actually I want to come to you, Omar.

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about another team that the roster

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Speaker 2: is not good and they are not a good team,

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Speaker 2: and that's the New York Giants. Because we saw something

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Speaker 2: yesday that we haven't seen at the Giants. Literally a

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Speaker 2: banner plane flying over saying mister Mara, you know, like

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Speaker 2: enough is enough, please fix this dumpster fire that recalls

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Speaker 2: the battle days of the Giants before George Young, before

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Speaker 2: Bill Parcells before there's great teams of the eighties where

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Speaker 2: they used to fly banner planes.

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Speaker 1: They are a dumpster fire. They have two wins. John

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Speaker 1: Marra has.

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Speaker 2: Said, well, he said he was not going to make

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Speaker 2: a change mid season, and he also said he did

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Speaker 2: not anticipate making a change after the season. However, I

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Speaker 2: can tell you John Marra did not anticipate a two

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Speaker 2: win season from the New York Giants. And I wonder

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Speaker 2: where they go from here. They may be going to

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Speaker 2: the first overall draft pick from here, Omar, I wonder

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Speaker 2: what you take away. You know, when you look at

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Speaker 2: a team like this from a distance. I'm obviously right

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Speaker 2: on top of the Giants, But when you look at

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Speaker 2: a team like this from a distance, what do you

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Speaker 2: make of them? And what should they do well?

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Speaker 5: John marrav expressing on Hard Knocks that he would be

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Speaker 5: sick if Saquon Barkley joined the Eagles. I think now

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Speaker 5: the collective fan base is sick by seeing what Saquon

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Speaker 5: has done in Philadelphia, and then compounded by the fact

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Speaker 5: that the Giant season has unraveled the way it has,

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Speaker 5: and so for them to go from a playoff team

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Speaker 5: a couple of years ago, you know, essentially writing the

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Speaker 5: cotails of Saquon Barkley in.

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Speaker 7: That run and making Daniel Jones look like, you know,

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Speaker 7: a Pro Bowl type of quarterback. To what we're seeing

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Speaker 7: now here less than two years later, is just no hope.

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Speaker 7: If I'm a Giant span and what the heck is

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Speaker 7: going on there? And I know the Maras and the

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Speaker 7: Giants organization historically have been patient and kind of firm with,

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Speaker 7: you know, letting people establish their systems, their culture and

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Speaker 7: all that. But I haven't seen anything that would give me.

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Speaker 5: Hope that, Okay, Nabel and Shane are building something, and

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Speaker 5: here is the tangible evidence that, Okay, we are going

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Speaker 5: forward with a playoff contender next year or a Super

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Speaker 5: Bowl contender in two years.

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Speaker 7: Here is the plan. I just don't see that, And

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Speaker 7: so I think that adds to the Giants fan's frustration

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Speaker 7: in that, Okay, what are we seeing? Where's the evidence

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Speaker 7: that things are going in the right direction? And I

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Speaker 7: don't think you can point to anything and say that.

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Speaker 2: I know John Marrett really does not want to make

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Speaker 2: another change. I know he has felt that he's maybe

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Speaker 2: made changes too quickly. The last few cycles after only

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Speaker 2: two years. But again, I don't think they ever imagined

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Speaker 2: that this season would go as poorly and such an

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Speaker 2: ugly breakup with Daniel Jones to Steve before.

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Speaker 3: Which is real quick.

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Speaker 4: It's a whole Daniel Jones issue because there's not one

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Speaker 4: person to tell you that Brian Daball can't coach. It

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Speaker 4: is clear when you watch them play he can coach,

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Speaker 4: but they don't have talent. They hinge it all on

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Speaker 4: a quarterback they should have hinged it all on. Plus,

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Speaker 4: the Giants are probably going to win two more games

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Speaker 4: in Draft four instead.

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Speaker 3: Of one, and not at the quarterback that they need,

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Speaker 3: and this is going to continue.

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Speaker 2: I think the only solace that Giants fans are getting

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Speaker 2: right now is that they are very much in play

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Speaker 2: for the first overall pick. Last year, they won games

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Speaker 2: late with Tovido and that wrecked the entire draft plan.

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Speaker 1: They couldn't get in position to get one of the quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: We will see how opposed, but that does it.

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