WEBVTT - Hell and Gone Murder Line: KK's Corner Part 2 0:00:46.480 --> 0:00:52.001 School of Humans. Helen Got Murder Line actively investigates cold 0:00:52.001 --> 0:00:55.361 case murders in an effort to raise public awareness invite 0:00:55.401 --> 0:00:58.761 witnesses to come forward and present evidence that could potentially 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:02.961 be further investigated by law enforcement. While we value insights 0:01:03.001 --> 0:01:06.160 from family and community members, their statements should not be 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:09.961 considered evidence and point to the challenges of verifying facts 0:01:10.041 --> 0:01:14.000 inherent in cold cases. We remind listeners that everyone has 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:17.160 presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. 0:01:17.961 --> 0:01:20.840 Nothing in the podcast is intended to state or imply 0:01:21.041 --> 0:01:23.601 that anyone who has not been convicted of a crime 0:01:24.121 --> 0:01:27.121 is guilty of any wrongdoing. Thanks for listening. 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:31.481 Just after midnight on July sixth, and nineteen ninety seven, 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:34.521 twenty one year old Marty Lebuff, twenty six year old 0:01:34.561 --> 0:01:38.280 Stacy Reeves, and fourteen year old Nicole Guidry were fatally 0:01:38.281 --> 0:01:41.601 shot in a triple homicide at Kk's Corner convenience store 0:01:41.761 --> 0:01:46.481 near Late Charles, Louisiana. The killing shocked the community for months, 0:01:46.561 --> 0:01:49.441 police struggled to find answers. No one seemed to have 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:53.600 seen anything, and there was no real physical evidence, But 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:56.401 it turned out there was a lone witness, a woman 0:01:56.481 --> 0:01:59.041 named Virginia Johnson, who had been at the gas station 0:01:59.161 --> 0:02:02.121 at around eleven forty five pm on July fifth, just 0:02:02.161 --> 0:02:06.240 before closing. Stacy was closing up the store when Virginia 0:02:06.281 --> 0:02:09.800 got there. She left Virginia inside so that Virginia could 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:13.521 buy ten dollars worth of gas. Virginia later testified that 0:02:13.601 --> 0:02:16.761 she handed the money to Marty lebuff. At this point, 0:02:17.001 --> 0:02:20.481 Stacey was mopping the floors and Virginia saw Nicole sitting 0:02:20.481 --> 0:02:24.321 on one of the counters. That was when a black 0:02:24.401 --> 0:02:27.680 car with two men inside it drove up. When one 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:31.121 of the men walked in, Virginia bumped into him. She 0:02:31.321 --> 0:02:34.241 later worked with an artist to create the composite sketch. 0:02:34.841 --> 0:02:37.641 All that she remembered at first about the other man, 0:02:38.001 --> 0:02:40.281 the one who walked into the gas station while she 0:02:40.441 --> 0:02:43.321 was paying, whom Virginia didn't really see, was that he 0:02:43.321 --> 0:02:47.081 had a Warborough keychain hanging from a front pocket. But 0:02:47.401 --> 0:02:51.281 under hypnosis she was able to remember more details about 0:02:51.281 --> 0:02:55.361 that other man, and then, almost seven months after the killings, 0:02:55.601 --> 0:02:59.121 an episode of America's Most Wanted air with details of 0:02:59.161 --> 0:03:02.561 the two men Virginia Johnson saw minutes before the murders, 0:03:03.241 --> 0:03:06.961 and by then the keychain was portrayed as a rabbit's 0:03:06.961 --> 0:03:11.001 foot keychain in the reenactment. This led to someone calling 0:03:11.041 --> 0:03:13.601 in a tip about a male friend of Stacy Reeves, 0:03:13.801 --> 0:03:16.561 twenty nine year old Tomas Cisco, who lived in New Orleans, 0:03:17.161 --> 0:03:19.641 but who would apparently come to the Lake Charles area 0:03:19.721 --> 0:03:25.001 around two weeks before the triple homicide. Police questioned Thomas Cisco. 0:03:25.641 --> 0:03:28.400 He confessed he had been at kk's corner on the 0:03:28.521 --> 0:03:30.961 night of the murders. He said that he was involved, 0:03:31.641 --> 0:03:35.161 but as we explained last week, Thomas told a lot 0:03:35.201 --> 0:03:38.081 of conflicting stories and a lot of the details that 0:03:38.121 --> 0:03:41.041 he gave to detectives trying to confirm his stories didn't 0:03:41.081 --> 0:03:44.561 make sense. Was it Thomas or someone else at Kk's 0:03:44.561 --> 0:03:47.441 corner that night? And if he was there, who was 0:03:47.481 --> 0:03:51.001 the second man? Could the killer or killers still be 0:03:51.081 --> 0:03:56.641 out there? I'm Catherine Townsend. Over the past five years 0:03:56.641 --> 0:03:59.881 of making my true crime podcast, Helen Gone, I've learned 0:03:59.921 --> 0:04:02.001 that there is no such thing as a small town 0:04:02.041 --> 0:04:05.881 where murder never happens. I have received hundreds of messages 0:04:05.921 --> 0:04:08.361 from people all around the country asking for help with 0:04:08.401 --> 0:04:12.561 an unsolved murder that's affected them, their families, and their communities. 0:04:13.441 --> 0:04:15.241 If you have a case you'd like me and my 0:04:15.321 --> 0:04:17.641 team to look into, you can reach out to us 0:04:17.681 --> 0:04:20.121 at our Helen Gone Murder Line at six seven eight 0:04:20.521 --> 0:04:24.121 seven four four six one four five at six seven 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:27.921 eight seven four four, six, one four or five, or 0:04:28.161 --> 0:04:31.841 you can send us a message on Instagram at Helen Gonepod. 0:04:32.681 --> 0:05:21.241 This is Helen Gone Murder Line. One year after the 0:05:21.241 --> 0:05:25.081 brutal murders at kk's corner, Thomas Cisco had been arrested 0:05:25.201 --> 0:05:28.681 and was starting to talk. The man who'd confessed to 0:05:28.721 --> 0:05:32.041 the killings was behind bars, and yet there were a 0:05:32.161 --> 0:05:34.521 lot of people in the community who believed that Thomas 0:05:34.521 --> 0:05:38.521 Cisco was not the killer, and many including the Calcashue 0:05:38.601 --> 0:05:42.241 Parish District Attorney Rick Bryant, who believed that even if 0:05:42.241 --> 0:05:45.241 Thomas was part of the carn kk's that night, that 0:05:45.321 --> 0:05:50.641 he did not act alone. Deputy Donald Lucky Deluge at 0:05:50.641 --> 0:05:53.801 the time, was the director of the Violent Crimes Task Force, 0:05:54.121 --> 0:05:56.561 which he ran with help from the FBI and other 0:05:56.681 --> 0:06:01.001 law enforcement organizations. Deputy Deluge was heading up the investigation 0:06:01.201 --> 0:06:03.961 and was the one who directed or heard all of 0:06:04.001 --> 0:06:07.441 Thomas Cisco's confessions. As we said last week, there were 0:06:07.441 --> 0:06:11.121 a lot of them. On August twenty seventh, nineteen ninety eight, 0:06:11.401 --> 0:06:14.401 Thomas Cisco said that he and a man named Robert 0:06:14.441 --> 0:06:18.001 big Penn were planning to rob kk's corner. Big Penn's 0:06:18.041 --> 0:06:21.441 wife and sister had driven Nicole Guidry to work the 0:06:21.561 --> 0:06:25.641 night she, Marty, and Stacy were murdered. Thomas said Robert 0:06:25.681 --> 0:06:27.961 told him that they were going to rob kk's corner, 0:06:28.601 --> 0:06:30.801 but Robert had other plans. 0:06:31.201 --> 0:06:34.361 He told me, this was a plan for us today. 0:06:35.081 --> 0:06:38.561 We would go there. She would go through the front. 0:06:39.281 --> 0:06:42.121 I would meet you at the back where he could 0:06:42.201 --> 0:06:47.561 let me. He would cut the wires to the phone 0:06:47.601 --> 0:06:50.601 into the launeless so that nobody could call the cops. 0:06:50.681 --> 0:06:52.721 And he said that he would kill everybody there if 0:06:52.721 --> 0:06:53.041 he had. 0:06:55.881 --> 0:06:58.881 As Thomas went through this story, he said that Robert 0:06:58.921 --> 0:07:02.521 bumped into the witness on purpose because Robert was being 0:07:02.561 --> 0:07:05.041 a smart ass, and that Robert had said something about 0:07:05.081 --> 0:07:09.481 her being a bitch immediately. There were problems with this story. 0:07:09.521 --> 0:07:13.401 First of all, Thomas described the witness as short, medium built, 0:07:13.441 --> 0:07:17.881 and white, but Virginia is black. And he mentioned going 0:07:17.921 --> 0:07:21.321 through a back door, but kk's corner does not have 0:07:21.361 --> 0:07:24.281 a back door. They do, however, have a side door. 0:07:25.001 --> 0:07:27.521 Thomas said that they were robbing this door and that 0:07:27.641 --> 0:07:30.281 Robert led the victims into the back cooler one by one, 0:07:30.761 --> 0:07:34.681 Marty first, then Nicole, then Stacy, and shot them each 0:07:34.841 --> 0:07:38.561 multiple times with a nine millimeter gun. He said that 0:07:38.601 --> 0:07:41.121 he was left outside the cooler with Stacy, who was 0:07:41.161 --> 0:07:44.321 begging for her life while he held her a gunpoint 0:07:44.401 --> 0:07:47.441 with a thirty eight caliber gun. He said that he 0:07:47.481 --> 0:07:51.081 was distraught because Thomas described Stacy as his best friend, 0:07:51.881 --> 0:07:54.201 but he said that he let Robert lead her into 0:07:54.241 --> 0:07:55.201 the cooler anyway. 0:07:56.641 --> 0:08:00.161 Stacy's telling me, please let me go. What I tell 0:08:00.201 --> 0:08:03.361 her is if I let you go, he's gonna shoot 0:08:03.401 --> 0:08:06.241 both of us. Can't her? Straighten me? I I mean, 0:08:06.361 --> 0:08:09.961 I want to bust out in tears, dude, because I'm 0:08:09.961 --> 0:08:12.321 the one sitting there hold my best friend, the GOP 0:08:12.841 --> 0:08:16.361 that I've known for years. I know what's going to 0:08:16.441 --> 0:08:19.241 happen to her. Hell, it just happened to the other two. 0:08:19.521 --> 0:08:21.281 I know what he's going to do. He ain't gonna 0:08:21.321 --> 0:08:25.321 let none of them well, and she's telling me please 0:08:25.441 --> 0:08:28.161 let me go. I told her I can't because if 0:08:28.201 --> 0:08:30.161 I do, he's gonna kill both of them. He says, 0:08:30.161 --> 0:08:34.481 come on, you're next, Stacey, and she's walk back there 0:08:34.521 --> 0:08:37.641 with you, and that's when I heard this up four shots. 0:08:40.481 --> 0:08:43.681 According to police, there was not really any physical evidence 0:08:43.881 --> 0:08:47.641 to test against Thomas's story. The crime lab determined based 0:08:47.680 --> 0:08:51.401 on bullet fragments that a nine millimeters semi automatic pistol 0:08:51.560 --> 0:08:54.521 had been used, but they never found the murder weapon 0:08:55.121 --> 0:08:59.361 and there were no usable fingerprints. Some of the details 0:08:59.401 --> 0:09:02.721 of Thomas Cisco's story appeared to match the evidence, like 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:06.440 the order that the victims were killed in. According to 0:09:06.481 --> 0:09:10.281 The Southwest Daily News, the Calcashue Parish coroner Terry Welk, 0:09:10.641 --> 0:09:13.560 testified that it was his belief that Marty Lebuff was 0:09:13.560 --> 0:09:16.281 shot first because of his position near the back of 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:20.521 the cooler. Nicole Guidry was next. The killer probably forced 0:09:20.601 --> 0:09:23.801 Nicole to sit on her knees. Her position was consistent 0:09:23.881 --> 0:09:26.161 with sitting on her knees, back on her heels with 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:29.641 her head bowed. She was also shot once in the leg. 0:09:30.401 --> 0:09:33.961 Stacy was last. She was shot once in the face 0:09:34.241 --> 0:09:36.641 and once in the back of the head. The coroner 0:09:36.761 --> 0:09:40.401 said the gunshot powder in Stacy's eyes made him believe 0:09:40.441 --> 0:09:42.961 that she had her eyes open and was facing her killer, 0:09:43.761 --> 0:09:49.041 and that the first shot forced her head around. After 0:09:49.161 --> 0:09:52.521 confessing to Deputy Delution and saying that Robert Digpen was 0:09:52.521 --> 0:09:55.560 the shooter and that he was the accomplice, Thomas wrote 0:09:55.561 --> 0:09:58.281 a letter on legal paper that he said was to Stacy, 0:09:58.441 --> 0:10:01.761 who had been his good friend. Thomas cried as he 0:10:01.881 --> 0:10:04.441 read the letter to Deputy Delus. 0:10:04.801 --> 0:10:06.561 I notice, while we were round the room, you were 0:10:06.561 --> 0:10:09.641 writing something. If you might have read Richard wrote a 0:10:09.721 --> 0:10:14.441 blood but said Stacy, I want you to know. Weren't 0:10:14.481 --> 0:10:16.040 you read this? Is it probably easier for you to 0:10:16.081 --> 0:10:18.801 read your writing to make Stacy. I want you to 0:10:18.881 --> 0:10:21.121 know that I'm really sorry for what happened. 0:10:22.041 --> 0:10:24.121 If I knew you were you were glorad to be 0:10:24.241 --> 0:10:27.521 there that hey, I would have never let it out. 0:10:28.041 --> 0:10:30.920 Please don't understand. If I could take your place in 0:10:31.001 --> 0:10:33.041 the other's place, I would. If it was up to 0:10:33.081 --> 0:10:33.920 me that night. 0:10:33.921 --> 0:10:36.321 I would have I would have done that totally different. 0:10:37.001 --> 0:10:39.001 I would have just took all the morning and took 0:10:39.041 --> 0:10:40.401 my chances of getting caught. 0:10:42.401 --> 0:10:45.761 I know that you could never forgive me, but I 0:10:45.881 --> 0:10:49.001 really sawry from the bottom of my heart, no matter 0:10:49.041 --> 0:10:51.401 what happened, I still love. 0:10:51.321 --> 0:10:55.401 You, Sis. If you can find me in your please 0:10:55.481 --> 0:10:57.681 forgive me if you can. 0:10:58.841 --> 0:11:02.041 I'm paying for what I did, and he will pay 0:11:02.121 --> 0:11:06.321 for what he did because I'm willing to do everything 0:11:06.361 --> 0:11:08.441 in my power to see that he is called. 0:11:08.921 --> 0:11:12.121 I promise I cry a lot since. 0:11:12.001 --> 0:11:19.921 Your believe Yeah, I do again. I'm really sorry about everything. 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:22.241 By this, I love you very much to me. 0:11:25.641 --> 0:11:28.961 Just days later, Thomas Cisco said that he had lied 0:11:29.241 --> 0:11:32.801 and that Robert Thigpen was not the shooter. According to 0:11:32.921 --> 0:11:35.761 Deputy to Loosh, Thomas said he made that story up 0:11:35.801 --> 0:11:40.161 because he didn't like Robert this time. Thomas said he 0:11:40.321 --> 0:11:43.081 wasn't even at kk's corner that night. He said the 0:11:43.121 --> 0:11:45.241 only reason that he confessed at all was because the 0:11:45.321 --> 0:11:48.201 FBI was harassing him. He said that he had lost 0:11:48.201 --> 0:11:50.521 his job and his place to live, and he just 0:11:50.601 --> 0:11:51.921 wanted everything to be over. 0:11:52.601 --> 0:11:54.521 The only reason I know the way out from the 0:11:54.561 --> 0:11:56.481 stores because I have been there before. 0:11:57.081 --> 0:12:00.401 Now this may sound illogical, but the director of an 0:12:00.401 --> 0:12:03.201 alcohol and drug treatment center where Thomas Cisco spent some 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:07.761 time testified that Thomas had personality disorders and arrested development 0:12:07.961 --> 0:12:11.201 due to substance abuse. From the age of six. Thomas 0:12:11.241 --> 0:12:14.281 told a psychiatrist he started drinking at age eight and 0:12:14.401 --> 0:12:18.321 was using drugs daily by age fifteen. Months later, in 0:12:18.441 --> 0:12:22.160 January of nineteen ninety nine, Thomas Cisco had another story. 0:12:22.601 --> 0:12:25.121 This time he said he was there with two guys 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:28.681 who he identified as Bobby and Malcolm. Later he would 0:12:28.681 --> 0:12:30.681 say that a fourth man named Chris was there too. 0:12:31.681 --> 0:12:35.081 There were other stories as well between nineteen and thirty five. 0:12:35.201 --> 0:12:37.561 Depending on which version of the news report you watch 0:12:37.641 --> 0:12:41.121 or read, sometimes Thomas said he was the shooter, sometimes 0:12:41.121 --> 0:12:44.361 a bystander. Thomas has said at very eous times that 0:12:44.841 --> 0:12:47.161 a Spanish guy and a black guy from New Orleans 0:12:47.161 --> 0:12:50.521 did it. But in all of these various versions of 0:12:50.561 --> 0:12:53.281 the story, there were still a lot of details that 0:12:53.321 --> 0:12:56.761 didn't match, like the fact that at one point he 0:12:56.801 --> 0:13:00.081 said that he tied the victim's hands, but investigators said 0:13:00.161 --> 0:13:03.081 the victim's hands were not tied. Or he said that 0:13:03.121 --> 0:13:06.161 Marty was looking at him when forensic evidence showed Marty 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:11.001 was shot in the back of the head, but police 0:13:11.041 --> 0:13:16.081 believed that Thomas Cisco was involved somehow. Thomas Cisco was 0:13:16.201 --> 0:13:19.881 charged with the murders of Marty, Stacy, and Nicole. He 0:13:20.001 --> 0:13:22.401 was being held before trial, but he was still talking. 0:13:23.001 --> 0:13:25.001 It came out during the trial that he talked to 0:13:25.041 --> 0:13:29.001 the coroner, to warden's at the jail, and a fellow prisoners, 0:13:29.801 --> 0:13:32.361 and one of the stories that he told, one that 0:13:32.441 --> 0:13:35.121 was played on audio tapes at his trial, was that 0:13:35.161 --> 0:13:38.321 the killings were a hit and that Stacy was the target, 0:13:38.721 --> 0:13:41.681 and that Richard mcelvin, the son of Sheriff Wayne mccelvin, 0:13:42.001 --> 0:13:45.281 had hired him to kill Stacy because she quote knew 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:48.441 too much about the death of Kevin Abel, her friend 0:13:48.481 --> 0:13:51.841 who she had started dating. Kevin Abel died at his 0:13:51.921 --> 0:13:54.401 home in May of nineteen ninety seven, just a few 0:13:54.401 --> 0:13:58.201 weeks before the Kk's Corner killings. Kevin's death was ruled 0:13:58.201 --> 0:14:01.601 a suicide, but Stacy didn't believe this. She believed that 0:14:01.681 --> 0:14:07.881 Kevin was murdered. We said last week that Richard mcelvin 0:14:07.961 --> 0:14:11.241 voluntarily went in for questioning, he gave blood samples, he 0:14:11.321 --> 0:14:13.961 had an alibi, and he was cleared by law enforcement. 0:14:14.681 --> 0:14:18.681 We talked to Stacy's daughter, Tiffany. Tiffany was only twenty 0:14:18.721 --> 0:14:21.481 three months old when her mother was killed, and she 0:14:21.641 --> 0:14:24.401 told us that she, her family and a lot of 0:14:24.441 --> 0:14:27.881 people in Kalkashi Parish do not think that Tomas Cisco 0:14:28.001 --> 0:14:28.801 acted alone. 0:14:28.961 --> 0:14:31.001 Well, I think the reason for that is because most 0:14:31.081 --> 0:14:35.321 people honestly believed he was not the trigger man, and 0:14:35.601 --> 0:14:38.401 he was the doorman, and he didn't do this alone. 0:14:38.441 --> 0:14:42.081 We know there's no way he could have done this alone. So, 0:14:42.361 --> 0:14:44.401 you know, we silly's done and they're now were ready 0:14:44.481 --> 0:14:46.841 to see somebody else pay for what. 0:14:46.801 --> 0:14:48.921 They've done again. 0:14:49.121 --> 0:14:52.481 Richard mcelvin was cleared by police who say they checked 0:14:52.481 --> 0:14:56.441 his alibi for that night, and Tomas Cisco has been 0:14:56.481 --> 0:15:01.761 discredited after admittedly lying several times. So why does Stacy's 0:15:01.761 --> 0:15:06.041 family believe that she was the target. Stacy had told 0:15:06.121 --> 0:15:08.841 people the week before she was murdered that someone had 0:15:08.881 --> 0:15:11.521 come into the store and threatened her to stop her 0:15:11.561 --> 0:15:15.321 from talking about Kevin Abel's death and about drug deals 0:15:15.321 --> 0:15:20.441 that were allegedly happening inside kk's corner. Stacy's family say 0:15:20.561 --> 0:15:23.401 they were stopped from going inside the press conference. 0:15:24.161 --> 0:15:28.001 So the press conference with Wayne mclvin where Wayne mcgilvin 0:15:28.081 --> 0:15:30.041 addressed the public, where our family was. 0:15:30.041 --> 0:15:30.641 Not let in. 0:15:31.321 --> 0:15:33.441 We were stopped at the door. I think you know, 0:15:33.521 --> 0:15:35.441 the word around the town that it was his son. 0:15:36.161 --> 0:15:38.761 You know, that was the composite sketch of and the 0:15:38.801 --> 0:15:41.961 one that was a Sugarman with his son Steven. He 0:15:42.001 --> 0:15:44.601 just didn't like that, and so he told my grandfather, 0:15:45.041 --> 0:15:49.361 I hate y'all more than I feel sorry for y'all. 0:15:49.521 --> 0:15:53.801 So what do we know about Stacy's relationship with Kevin Abel. 0:15:54.521 --> 0:15:56.881 Her family say that they were dating and that Kevin 0:15:56.921 --> 0:15:59.721 had been into drugs though he was trying to get clean. 0:16:00.641 --> 0:16:03.041 Kevin had a young daughter who was about two years 0:16:03.081 --> 0:16:06.201 old at the time of his death. Stacy's twin daughters 0:16:06.321 --> 0:16:10.281 were twenty three months old when she was murdered. Robert T. 0:16:10.481 --> 0:16:14.481 Bob Rogers, Stacy's uncle, said that Stacy was a caring 0:16:14.561 --> 0:16:18.281 and loving person, but that she began hanging around with 0:16:18.321 --> 0:16:20.001 what he called the wrong crowd. 0:16:20.761 --> 0:16:23.161 She was a good kid, just trying to raise her daughter. 0:16:23.241 --> 0:16:25.161 She was running around with the wrong crowd. 0:16:25.401 --> 0:16:28.241 She was trying to save people she thought she could save. 0:16:28.601 --> 0:16:33.281 She thought she could save Kevin Abel from drugs. She couldn't. 0:16:33.361 --> 0:16:35.001 She got involved in it too deep. 0:16:36.281 --> 0:16:39.321 Kevin Abel died at home on Saturday, May seventeenth, to 0:16:39.361 --> 0:16:42.681 nineteen ninety seven. The coroner arrived on scene at nine 0:16:42.761 --> 0:16:45.601 thirty five pm and ruled the death of suicide. Eight 0:16:45.641 --> 0:16:49.481 minutes later, at nine forty three PM. I've gotten calls 0:16:49.521 --> 0:16:52.961 from sources who lived in the trailer part Fairview Estates 0:16:53.041 --> 0:16:55.721 where Kevin lived. This trailer part, by the way, is 0:16:55.761 --> 0:17:00.321 about a quarter mile from kk's corner. They say that 0:17:00.401 --> 0:17:03.281 Kevin was involved in drugs and that he would loan 0:17:03.361 --> 0:17:06.080 his truck out to drug dealers for several days at 0:17:06.120 --> 0:17:08.361 a time to use his collateral when he couldn't pay 0:17:08.360 --> 0:17:11.840 his debts. Kevin left behind a two year old daughter 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:14.521 and a family who loved him. We found out that 0:17:14.561 --> 0:17:17.401 Stacy showed up at his house while the police were 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:20.920 still there right after the fatal shooting, shortly after nine 0:17:21.041 --> 0:17:26.201 thirty PM. According to the incident report, Stacy told police 0:17:26.241 --> 0:17:28.041 she and Kevin had a date that night and that 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:31.200 she had been planning to pick him up. Her family 0:17:31.281 --> 0:17:34.960 say that Stacy believed, even if Kevin had been planning 0:17:35.001 --> 0:17:37.120 on taking his own life, that he would not have 0:17:37.201 --> 0:17:39.001 done it when she was on her way to visit 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:43.400 him with her young twin daughters. Kevin lived in the 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:45.681 fair View trailer Park, just a quarter of a mile 0:17:45.721 --> 0:17:49.121 from kk's corner. He was addicted to crack and according 0:17:49.121 --> 0:17:52.681 to multiple sources, he owed money to drug dealers, and 0:17:52.721 --> 0:17:54.960 they believe that some of those drug dealers might have 0:17:55.041 --> 0:17:59.001 links to law enforcement. Could Stacy have been right and 0:17:59.401 --> 0:18:03.521 was she threatened before the triple homicide at Kk's or 0:18:03.641 --> 0:18:06.281 even if she was wrong, even if Kevin's death was 0:18:06.321 --> 0:18:08.880 a suicide, if she was making claims that he was 0:18:09.001 --> 0:18:11.920 murdered and the wrong people heard that, could that have 0:18:12.001 --> 0:18:25.841 made Stacy a target? From what the coroner said, Marty 0:18:25.961 --> 0:18:28.521 Lebeuff was the first victim that night at Kk's corner. 0:18:29.001 --> 0:18:32.761 His sister, Laura Duhan said she will never forget the 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:35.081 day that she got the call about her brother being 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:35.961 brutally murdered. 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:40.080 I was actually a nurse practitioner at the hospital here. 0:18:40.601 --> 0:18:43.121 I work with newborns, and I had gone to work 0:18:43.161 --> 0:18:46.561 that morning and one of the nurses that I worked 0:18:46.601 --> 0:18:50.080 with said that she lived out there by the store, 0:18:50.121 --> 0:18:54.080 and she said there's crime scene tape all up around 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:58.400 the store and so mean. My first thought was, you know, 0:18:58.481 --> 0:19:00.961 maybe the store was robbed. It never occurred to me 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:04.961 that anything is violent had happened. Anyway, I went into 0:19:05.001 --> 0:19:08.521 the dressing room to change into scrubs, and somebody came 0:19:08.561 --> 0:19:10.600 and got me and they said, Laura, your mom's on 0:19:10.641 --> 0:19:14.801 the phone. She was telling me, Laura, they killed my Marty. 0:19:15.001 --> 0:19:18.321 They killed my Marty. And I was just like, no, Mom, 0:19:18.761 --> 0:19:21.920 I'll be right there. So I ended up leaving and 0:19:21.961 --> 0:19:24.761 going to her house and they had an ambulance at 0:19:24.801 --> 0:19:27.761 the house. She was just completely purple in the face. 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:30.440 They had her on oxygen and she had to go 0:19:30.481 --> 0:19:34.041 to the EVAR and she was just screaming and screaming. 0:19:34.401 --> 0:19:37.401 I remember a detective coming to talk to my dad. 0:19:37.521 --> 0:19:41.441 My dad had been a detective sheriff's apartment years before that. 0:19:41.881 --> 0:19:45.120 They just felt like they could talk to him like 0:19:45.201 --> 0:19:47.120 he was one of them and not like he was 0:19:47.161 --> 0:19:50.641 the parent. And I remember sitting beside my dad as 0:19:50.681 --> 0:19:54.441 a detective described to him how they found Marty and 0:19:54.481 --> 0:19:56.881 how he had blood in his lungs and that they 0:19:56.921 --> 0:20:00.521 felt like he had laid their gasping, and I remember 0:20:00.601 --> 0:20:04.281 thinking that there's no reason for him to tell Dad 0:20:04.321 --> 0:20:07.561 that that that was cruel. I remember people calling the 0:20:07.561 --> 0:20:10.921 house and asking to speak to Marty, but you kind 0:20:10.961 --> 0:20:13.561 of knew that they already knew he was gone. They 0:20:13.601 --> 0:20:15.521 were just calling to see if it was true. I 0:20:15.561 --> 0:20:16.321 guess I don't know. 0:20:19.521 --> 0:20:22.200 After police arrested Tomas Cisco and put him into an 0:20:22.241 --> 0:20:25.801 isolation cell. According to court documents, he was assigned an 0:20:25.840 --> 0:20:29.801 attorney by the court, Evelyn Ubray, but right away there 0:20:29.801 --> 0:20:33.441 were questions about a conflict of interest because Evelyn was 0:20:33.521 --> 0:20:36.521 also representing Deputy de Lush and what was referred to 0:20:36.601 --> 0:20:40.721 as unspecified family court matters, which the court documents called 0:20:40.761 --> 0:20:45.241 a clear and undeniable conflict of interest. Missus zu Bray 0:20:45.361 --> 0:20:48.721 said she first spoke to Tomasisco on September fourteenth, nineteen 0:20:48.761 --> 0:20:52.241 ninety eight. Two days later, she apparently realized there could 0:20:52.241 --> 0:20:55.360 be a potential conflict of interests. She sent Thomas a 0:20:55.441 --> 0:20:58.680 letter saying she believed she didn't have a conflict of interest, 0:20:58.761 --> 0:21:01.201 but she left it up to Thomas to decide whether 0:21:01.281 --> 0:21:03.400 or not he still wanted her to be his lawyer. 0:21:04.521 --> 0:21:07.441 A member of the local defense bar named Thomas Lorenzi 0:21:07.561 --> 0:21:10.641 was concerned, so he wrote a letter on October ninth, 0:21:10.721 --> 0:21:13.321 nineteen ninety eight, to the district Court, and in that 0:21:13.401 --> 0:21:17.481 letter he claimed that because there were allegations of criminality 0:21:17.641 --> 0:21:21.041 made against Deputy Deluge in that family court matter, the 0:21:21.080 --> 0:21:25.561 pleadings of the domestic case were placed under seal. So 0:21:25.881 --> 0:21:28.761 this attorney who wrote the letter said he was concerned 0:21:28.921 --> 0:21:31.641 that the conflict of interest could not have been fully 0:21:31.681 --> 0:21:37.241 explained to Thomas Cisco. Thomas's trial started in two thousand, 0:21:37.321 --> 0:21:40.521 with Evelyn u Bray representing him. The trial judge did 0:21:40.561 --> 0:21:43.681 bring up the potential conflict again. This time, the judge 0:21:43.761 --> 0:21:46.961 asked Thomas directly whether he'd read and understood the letter. 0:21:47.241 --> 0:21:50.761 Thomas said he had, so, the court ruled that the 0:21:50.801 --> 0:21:54.281 defense counsel, missus u Bray, could continue to be Thomas's lawyer. 0:21:54.961 --> 0:21:57.401 Both the trial judge and the defense attorney left it 0:21:57.481 --> 0:22:00.481 up to Thomas to decide for himself whether the conflict 0:22:00.521 --> 0:22:03.881 of interest existed. This will come up later at appeal. 0:22:05.041 --> 0:22:08.761 At one point, Thomas was convinced that Deputy Deluche and 0:22:08.761 --> 0:22:12.281 missus Zubray were colluding against him. However, when he was 0:22:12.321 --> 0:22:15.160 asked about this by the court, he said he didn't 0:22:15.161 --> 0:22:19.881 have any doubts about missus u Bray representing him. Deputy 0:22:19.921 --> 0:22:22.601 Deluche was married to his wife in nineteen ninety. They 0:22:22.641 --> 0:22:26.681 divorced a few years later. According to the book Murder 0:22:26.721 --> 0:22:30.360 in the Bayou, Deputy Deluche's ex wife accused him and 0:22:30.401 --> 0:22:33.360 his girlfriend at the time of sexually molesting their daughter, 0:22:33.481 --> 0:22:37.401 who was then about four years old. So Deputy Deluge 0:22:37.881 --> 0:22:41.440 was charged with aggravated rape and aggravated oral sexual battery 0:22:41.521 --> 0:22:44.920 charges on October twenty second, nineteen ninety seven, right in 0:22:45.001 --> 0:22:48.801 the middle of the kk's Corner investigation. Missus Zubray was 0:22:48.801 --> 0:22:54.241 his attorney. In court documents, it's very clear the state's 0:22:54.321 --> 0:22:59.601 case boils down to the testimony of two people, Virginia Johnson, 0:22:59.641 --> 0:23:03.801 the witness, and Thomas Cisco. We've already explained how problematic 0:23:03.840 --> 0:23:07.920 Thomas Cisco's testimony potentially was, but Virginia's witness ID had 0:23:07.961 --> 0:23:11.841 problems as well. First of all, Virginia Johnson had never 0:23:11.961 --> 0:23:14.321 been able to give a description of the man inside 0:23:14.321 --> 0:23:17.080 the gas station, the one she didn't bump into, but 0:23:17.281 --> 0:23:20.321 she said he had a Marlborough keychain. Yet when Deputy 0:23:20.361 --> 0:23:24.321 Deluge held a lineup, she identified Tomas Cisco, and at 0:23:24.321 --> 0:23:27.441 that time she was also apparently able to remember details 0:23:27.481 --> 0:23:31.120 for the first time, including that the man she didn't 0:23:31.161 --> 0:23:33.321 see that well had a tattoo on his left hand. 0:23:33.721 --> 0:23:37.681 Thomas has tattoos on both hands. Later, she was hypnotized, 0:23:37.681 --> 0:23:40.321 and it was only under hypnosis that she remembered a 0:23:40.401 --> 0:23:43.321 rabbit head keychain, not a rabbit foot, and yet in 0:23:43.321 --> 0:23:46.120 the Marrior Because Most Wanted episode, the re enactment is 0:23:46.201 --> 0:23:48.721 done with the actor wearing a rabbit's foot key chain. 0:23:49.441 --> 0:23:52.840 Of course, it's possible Thomas Sisko wasn't even there on 0:23:52.881 --> 0:23:55.241 the night of the kk's Corner murders, that the whole 0:23:55.281 --> 0:23:58.321 thing was a false confession. This was the argument that 0:23:58.401 --> 0:24:02.281 Thomas's lawyers were leaning on during the trial. Thomas's attorney, 0:24:02.321 --> 0:24:05.080 Missus zu Bray, said that he gave the false confessions 0:24:05.080 --> 0:24:08.641 because he lacked quote a mature and established self identity, 0:24:08.921 --> 0:24:12.721 and therefore he was easily influenced by persons and authority 0:24:12.721 --> 0:24:15.481 and chameleon like would say anything in an effort to 0:24:15.481 --> 0:24:19.080