Speaker 1: I want you to write a letter to yourself as
Speaker 1: a kid, knowing to think of that age. And I
Speaker 1: wrote a letter to myself like, yeah, you know, like
Speaker 1: it's okay to like be a weirdo. Like if you
Speaker 1: get picked on for that, that's cool. And one day
Speaker 1: these guys are going to come to your concert. And
Speaker 1: then I wrote a letter to myself as an adult
Speaker 1: but as of the eight year old self, and I
Speaker 1: couldn't get through the letter. I mean, I'm bawling, crying. Oh,
Speaker 1: I have a letter frame of my house. It's just
Speaker 1: such a great reminder to be a kid at heart
Speaker 1: and not be too hard on ourselves. We're all big
Speaker 1: kids at the end of the day, trying to figure
Speaker 1: this crazy thing called life out. Hey everyone, welcome back
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Speaker 1: with guests that I have really deep, meaningful relationships with,
Speaker 1: and I like to share that with you because I
Speaker 1: find that when these relationships develop organically offline, then when
Speaker 1: we bring them online, usually after a couple of years,
Speaker 1: you get to experience something Specially. You get to hear
Speaker 1: two friends talking. You get to hear people not scared
Speaker 1: of being interviewed. You get to hear me not being
Speaker 1: confused or fluster about where I want to go. And
Speaker 1: I really hope that this interview is going to do
Speaker 1: that for you. I'm speaking to someone who needs no introduction.
Speaker 1: I'm speaking to someone who I absolutely admire, respect on
Speaker 1: so many levels. You're going to see that throughout the interview.
Speaker 1: And I'm speaking to someone who became one of my
Speaker 1: dearest friends without meeting him during the pandemic. I'm speaking
Speaker 1: about the one, the only, Joe Jonas, one of the kindest, sweetest,
Speaker 1: most down to earth humans. I know there is not
Speaker 1: a bad bone in this guy's body. He's given me
Speaker 1: memories that will last a lifetime. I'm so grateful that
Speaker 1: he's finally on on purpose. Joe, Wow, thank you. Welcome
Speaker 1: to It was from the I need you to introduce
Speaker 1: every show from the nicest person I know. I'll do it.
Speaker 1: Let me be the voice of God at your events.
Speaker 1: Please we have a show tomorrow. You can do it.
Speaker 1: I'm so thrilled to do this. Yes, your podcast has
Speaker 1: been on my top lessons every week. Life changing and
Speaker 1: it's interesting how I've quite I'm kind of late to
Speaker 1: the game. I discovered Jay Shitty a bit further along
Speaker 1: in my meditation journey than most. When we first met
Speaker 1: was via zoom. Actually The first time we met was
Speaker 1: in front of like thousands of people online, and then
Speaker 1: we didn't actually meet in person until I probably a
Speaker 1: year and a half two years later. Yeah, my brother
Speaker 1: met you twice before. Yeah, Nick met you twice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I was quite jealous, and I was like, maybe
Speaker 1: it's not Maybe he's not real. This is an AI
Speaker 1: version of this person that was created. But I'm glad
Speaker 1: to say you're real. I'm glad that we've become so
Speaker 1: close and you've been so helpful for me. I might
Speaker 1: on my personal walk with whether if it's the Brujonas brothers,
Speaker 1: to personal things I'm going through that I've expressed with you,
Speaker 1: and on a bigger scale of just like the days
Speaker 1: that we live our lives for everyone else, and how
Speaker 1: I'm able to function like a normal human being when
Speaker 1: i go home again. So it's really helpful. So thank you. No,
Speaker 1: and I want to give you some credit for this,
Speaker 1: because I think a lot of this stuff happens behind
Speaker 1: the scenes and people are unaware, especially with someone like you.
Speaker 1: You've been popular and famous for so much of your life,
Speaker 1: and you know there's so much written about people and
Speaker 1: so much you hear about people, and there's so much
Speaker 1: you don't hear. And I think in my line of work,
Speaker 1: where I get to see them behind the scenes of
Speaker 1: a lot of people, I like to be able to
Speaker 1: share that because I think it's important. So what Joe's
Speaker 1: talking about for anyone who's listening or watching back at home,
Speaker 1: is we did this charity event thanks to and I
Speaker 1: would give a big shout out to David Johnson, right
Speaker 1: because yeah, David Johnson. Yeah, because David knew that. David
Speaker 1: felt that we would connect. And we did this event
Speaker 1: for Wee Day and it was Joe, Lily Collins, and
Speaker 1: myself and Lily and Joe were hosting, and I was
Speaker 1: asked to teach a meditation and literally seconds after this
Speaker 1: meditation finishes live online to thousands of people, I get
Speaker 1: a message from Joe, like probably literally in the next
Speaker 1: couple of hours saying, Hey, I'd love to do a
Speaker 1: medic tation like that for my friends. And I'm like, cool,
Speaker 1: that sounds great, let's do it. And I thought nothing
Speaker 1: of it. I was like, yeah, that makes sense. He
Speaker 1: obviously enjoyed it. That's great. Love that, and so we
Speaker 1: did it. So we set it off for that Sunday.
Speaker 1: I think it was a Sunday, right, and he set
Speaker 1: up a zoom link. He sent me a zoom link
Speaker 1: and we started this thing and like maybe I can't
Speaker 1: remember how many people who joined the first one. First
Speaker 1: one is probably close to like six or seven people. Oh,
Speaker 1: was it really okay? Right? It was pretty intimate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm if I'm correct, Yeah, and then cut to you know,
Speaker 1: after the first few weeks, more people started to join,
Speaker 1: and there was always the same ten, but for sure
Speaker 1: sometimes it was like thirty people were on his zoom Yeah,
Speaker 1: and all different walks of life, people from all over
Speaker 1: the world. Obviously, when we're in proper lockdown and a
Speaker 1: lot of things were happening in the world, it was
Speaker 1: really the best thing to have at the end of
Speaker 1: your week or the beginning of your week to just
Speaker 1: get together and meditate with people and then have a
Speaker 1: discussion whether people and you were so kind and you've
Speaker 1: still we still do this, so you're still so kind
Speaker 1: to take time out your crazy schedule to answer any
Speaker 1: questions or even give advice. And sometimes it's just an
Speaker 1: open floor to talk and express how everybody's feeling. And
Speaker 1: it was so helpful for me. But it's also I
Speaker 1: think really been a wonderful experience to give back to
Speaker 1: all my friends or at least to be able to
Speaker 1: present a comptable place where they can just be themselves
Speaker 1: and talk about their emotions and not feel embarrassed about it.
Speaker 1: And it's been incredible. Yeah, the impressive plot to me
Speaker 1: though was and obviously you gave me beautiful friends and
Speaker 1: family and people like Greg and you know, Vanessa Hudgens
Speaker 1: been on the show. I met her through the zen Zone.
Speaker 1: She took about she met Cole Cole, her boyfriend that
Speaker 1: her now boyfriend who played played for the Pittsburgh Pirates
Speaker 1: for years and are my good friend Christo one day?
Speaker 1: So they invited him one day on the zoom and
Speaker 1: then yeah, then Vanessa met Cole through this zoo like
Speaker 1: and so there's been like romance that has come from this.
Speaker 1: But it's it's really special and I'm glad we kept
Speaker 1: it up and obviously everyone's life kind of got back
Speaker 1: to normal, but we still wanted to do it. I
Speaker 1: saw a few people last week and they were like,
Speaker 1: when are we doing it again? We have to do
Speaker 1: it yet obviously it's become like a norm for us.
Speaker 1: Well that's what I was going to say that the
Speaker 1: impressive part, and now we'll put a bow on the
Speaker 1: bromance and start getting to an interview. Everyone has been listening.
Speaker 1: But the most impressive part is that we did it
Speaker 1: for seventy five weeks, Like I think when I calculated,
Speaker 1: it was like seventy five eighty five, maybe even did
Speaker 1: a few more. And I think it's that level of
Speaker 1: consistency that I admire in someone like you. You know,
Speaker 1: anyone can do one and anyone can be like inspired
Speaker 1: for a week, but to be inspired, and through our conversations,
Speaker 1: I've continued to see that, like to be inspired and
Speaker 1: consistent with something for that long and then to inspire
Speaker 1: a community to do that, it requires someone really special.
Speaker 1: So I really am so impressed by that, and it
Speaker 1: became the model of how I work with so many
Speaker 1: people where I realized that you taught me that you
Speaker 1: were like, hey, just don't make it a one on one,
Speaker 1: like bring people along for the journey. And so you
Speaker 1: really inspired me in that way. And anyone who ever
Speaker 1: asked for meditation, I started saying to them, makes you
Speaker 1: invite your friends? Because Joe did this thing and it
Speaker 1: inspired me and I genuinely think it's changed the model
Speaker 1: of how I work with people, what I feel like
Speaker 1: as well. You know what I miss so dearly was
Speaker 1: just that connection of being around my friends obviously everyone
Speaker 1: and family. And I was also getting tired of these
Speaker 1: like Zoom parties where you're playing games and you're like,
Speaker 1: all right, this is not happening. This is not working
Speaker 1: for me anymore. So the idea that you feel on
Speaker 1: an emotional level you can connect with people, and also
Speaker 1: there's accountability of like you kept your camera on and
Speaker 1: your audio on, so everyone was able to be actually
Speaker 1: meditating with each other and feel that difference because we
Speaker 1: know how it usually goes when you're in a zoom
Speaker 1: meeting or a party, Like half the time you're hitting
Speaker 1: the mute button and cameras off. You're doing something, so
Speaker 1: you're on a bicycle while you're doing it. So it
Speaker 1: was nice to be present and do it. Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: let's get into it because I really want to. I
Speaker 1: really want people to hear about your journey, especially your
Speaker 1: personal growth journey as an amazing husband a father, Like,
Speaker 1: just you know, this incredible growth journey you've been on it,
Speaker 1: and I think for people who've known you for such
Speaker 1: a long time. I remember coming to events last year
Speaker 1: and you've got all these new young audiences. Then you've
Speaker 1: got audiences you've been with you for all these years.
Speaker 1: When did you start realizing you wanted to work on yourself? Like,
Speaker 1: when was that like a idea or a thought a seed?
Speaker 1: When did it start? There was a There's been a
Speaker 1: few hurdles that I felt like I probably need to
Speaker 1: take care of myself physically mentally. I think the biggest
Speaker 1: one that comes to mind many years ago I released
Speaker 1: a solo album, so I did a record alongside with
Speaker 1: my brothers. We kind of all started to feel like
Speaker 1: we had separate personal interests professionally, and I'm in no
Speaker 1: not I'm really proud of now. I like it even
Speaker 1: more than I used to. I think at the time
Speaker 1: there was a lot of cooks in the kitchen. And
Speaker 1: when you're like performing at the level that the Jonas
Speaker 1: brothers were back when, and you know it was just
Speaker 1: chaos and craziness and number one albums and the song
Speaker 1: would break records on YouTube and things were happening in
Speaker 1: real time, you kind of think like, all right, this
Speaker 1: is the norm, Like this is going to happen for
Speaker 1: me too, and I think that's like obviously a really
Speaker 1: bizarre thing to even think about, But that started to
Speaker 1: become like, Okay, anything we touched, I think is going
Speaker 1: to really take off. And I had kind of a
Speaker 1: wake up call when I released this album and they
Speaker 1: didn't perform as well as say the Brothers stuff. And
Speaker 1: also forgot that the years and years of hard work
Speaker 1: that we put into the to the Brothers music to
Speaker 1: even get to a level where that many people are
Speaker 1: listening to our songs. And I took it really hard,
Speaker 1: but I didn't realize how I actually felt in the moments.
Speaker 1: I figured, Okay, well, I'll just get back on the
Speaker 1: road and you know, start promoting this. And I had
Speaker 1: like a bit of like a lifespan with this album.
Speaker 1: I knew that the next Brothers project was right around
Speaker 1: the corner, so at about a year and a half
Speaker 1: to really focus in on this album called Fast Life,
Speaker 1: and I was in here. I was here in New
Speaker 1: York after the album was out and it didn't really
Speaker 1: do much, and started reading reviews, started seeing the reactions,
Speaker 1: and it hit me like a ton of bricks, and
Speaker 1: I started feeling like physically ill and I really told
Speaker 1: myself and I believed that I was sick, so I
Speaker 1: would go to the doctor. I started going to the
Speaker 1: doctor like every other week, and then it became like
Speaker 1: every week, and it was almost like a joke with
Speaker 1: my friends. Were like, oh, Sunday Funday, Joe was going
Speaker 1: to the hospital again to get a checkup. And I
Speaker 1: would do like full body checkups and look at the
Speaker 1: doctor and be like, doc, like you gotta like all right.
Speaker 1: I would do ultrasounds on my stomach. I would. It
Speaker 1: became a thing where it was coming cool because I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a hypochondriac. I'm just I'm overthinking these symptoms
Speaker 1: or creating these in my mind. And one doctor finally
Speaker 1: just said to me, They're like, have you thought or
Speaker 1: spoken to a therapist? And I was like me, no,
Speaker 1: why would I Why would I ever need therapy? And
Speaker 1: it kind of just hit me after I left, and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my, like, oh my god, maybe
Speaker 1: they're right. Like the doctor's like, I have all of
Speaker 1: your results here from the last like three visits, and
Speaker 1: you have nothing wrong with you physically, like you're you're
Speaker 1: in great health, but obviously there's something going on and
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm I would think I would this is
Speaker 1: what I would suggest. So sure enough I started seeing
Speaker 1: somebody and I was like, oh, this is this is why.
Speaker 1: Right before that window where I started speaking to somebody,
Speaker 1: I would be I was here in New York and
Speaker 1: I'd go on these bike journeys and I would ride
Speaker 1: my bike from eight in the morning to eight at
Speaker 1: night and stop it along the way. But it was
Speaker 1: like an escape for me, and I wasn't able to
Speaker 1: look at my phone. I wasn't able to think about
Speaker 1: the album, wasn't I was just a kind of checking out.
Speaker 1: So I was like still running away, avoiding the problems.
Speaker 1: But I thought this was like, oh, this is what
Speaker 1: I needed. A minute I got the bike, I'm feeling
Speaker 1: sick again, and so I started talking to therapists and
Speaker 1: really dove into all of that pain and trauma that
Speaker 1: I created for myself. And and it was weird that
Speaker 1: it stemmed from something as simple as like, oh the
Speaker 1: album didn't do as well as I thought. Would you think, like,
Speaker 1: it's not the biggest deal in the world. But I
Speaker 1: think in my brain, I was pushing myself so hard
Speaker 1: and I had these expectations really set high that brought
Speaker 1: me into the Walk of therapy and then the walk
Speaker 1: of meditation with you. And I mean that's years and
Speaker 1: years later, but that's how I started kind of saying, Okay,
Speaker 1: I think I need to take care of myself and
Speaker 1: I'm not this fifteen year old kid anymore that can
Speaker 1: just run run, run, run, run and bed fine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's it's amazing actually the other way around too.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever thought about it this way,
Speaker 1: but it's like you said, like, oh, I shouldn't have
Speaker 1: maybe felt that bad that this solo album didn't do
Speaker 1: so well, But it's like, how old were you when
Speaker 1: you did the solobum. It's probably about twenty one, twenty
Speaker 1: two years old, yeah, yeah, and so it's like you're
Speaker 1: still a young Yeah, that's what I mean. You're scaring
Speaker 1: it out exactly and you still And that's what I wonder.
Speaker 1: It's almost like going away from something that was a
Speaker 1: shure fire win to try something new and potentially out
Speaker 1: there and risky, and moving away from like a you know,
Speaker 1: tried and tested formula of the Brothers actually requires a
Speaker 1: lot of courage and most people try and hang on
Speaker 1: to what's tried and true and would be scared to
Speaker 1: do what you did. And so I think there's also
Speaker 1: a lot of like, yeah, it took a long courage
Speaker 1: come to that realization. Yeah, those like trend words flash
Speaker 1: in your brain. Like I saw a headline like, oh failure,
Speaker 1: and I took that word and that was my identity
Speaker 1: of that album. Years later I was like what, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't even listen to the songs as well, And years
Speaker 1: later I started listening to them again and obviously going
Speaker 1: through the work and realizing that, like you said, yeah,
Speaker 1: that journey to deep of faith to actually do something
Speaker 1: else rather than just be pigeon held to like this
Speaker 1: is the comfortable place, this is the breadwinner. I'm good here. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm taking a leap of faith on
Speaker 1: my own and that's a big enough. It doesn't matter
Speaker 1: how many people listen to it, if everybody loved it,
Speaker 1: hated it, whatever, ye doing it for me and I
Speaker 1: lost touch with that. Yeah, but that commitment as well,
Speaker 1: even at that early age. When when was it you
Speaker 1: started to see a therapist, It was around that same time,
Speaker 1: right twenty two. Yeah, like that that commitment to that
Speaker 1: truly working on yourself in a reflective way, like that's
Speaker 1: that's a big deal, even at even at that age,
Speaker 1: you like to accept that you need help then to
Speaker 1: find help. What was that like for the rest of
Speaker 1: your family? Like how was other people reacting to it?
Speaker 1: Because I feel like today when people try to seek
Speaker 1: help often it's in And I met your parents, they're
Speaker 1: absolutely wonderful. I met your brothers, they're they're wonderful. Like,
Speaker 1: you know, I've met met all your partners. I don't
Speaker 1: think I met Kevin's wife, met you know, go thro
Speaker 1: your partners of the crew. Yeah, yeah, And I know
Speaker 1: that I've interacted with the family, and so I'm like,
Speaker 1: I can imagine that they were positive towards it. But
Speaker 1: what was it like initially? Like how does that feel
Speaker 1: like to your parents? I think, you know, our dad
Speaker 1: has been the most incredible person to go to with
Speaker 1: pretty much anything. I mean, he was a minister for
Speaker 1: many years, then he was our manager for a good
Speaker 1: amount of years. Then around the same time it became
Speaker 1: like dad solely again, which was actually great because we
Speaker 1: had I had like my dad to go to about stuff.
Speaker 1: But you know, when you start that journey of like
Speaker 1: seeking outside help, it is I think as a parent
Speaker 1: it would be a little bit it's going to take
Speaker 1: a beat to realize like, oh, you're not the only
Speaker 1: one that can give advice now. But also I get it,
Speaker 1: I you know, I think my parents are really mature
Speaker 1: in that sense where they respect medical professionals. So I
Speaker 1: think if like the person has the degree to be
Speaker 1: able to give that advice, then I think that they're
Speaker 1: going to feel more comfortable. I mean that there's been
Speaker 1: people that I think I've gone to for advice that
Speaker 1: my dad was like, I haven't raised my hand to
Speaker 1: say this is my opinion. I don't know if this
Speaker 1: is the right person for you, but let's find somebody
Speaker 1: with like a couple of doctorates. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 1: That's fair, that's good advice. Yeah. Nor your parents are
Speaker 1: so sweet whenever this because it's so easy to you know,
Speaker 1: find anybody like google the closest therapist or person or
Speaker 1: life coach or whatever it may be. But to actually
Speaker 1: have somebody who knows this key. Yeah. I love what
Speaker 1: you said though about how like you're like, you know,
Speaker 1: I had to realize that the brothers had spent all
Speaker 1: these years building something and then obviously you're trying to
Speaker 1: do something on your own, Like, how is your personal
Speaker 1: creative process changed since then? Like how have you adapted
Speaker 1: since the first round of the Brothers too doing your
Speaker 1: own thing to now wow doing yeah likes? How have
Speaker 1: you changed that? Wow, it's changed quite a bit. I
Speaker 1: feel like with DNC I had and for those are
Speaker 1: listening or watching, I'm in a band as well with
Speaker 1: my brothers called DNCUM. We have a song. Cake by
Speaker 1: the Ocean was our first song I wrote for the
Speaker 1: band with Justin Trannor and great song, thank you great
Speaker 1: on stage and that song and the way it took
Speaker 1: off actually was the first bit of feeling of Okay,
Speaker 1: this other style of music that I really love to create.
Speaker 1: I can also pursue and follow this butterfly and see
Speaker 1: where it takes me because I can bring this back
Speaker 1: to the Brothers. So I've been able to go on
Speaker 1: my own and I think grow as a writer and
Speaker 1: a producer and creator and have that time and then
Speaker 1: bring it back and it's really great. Now we have
Speaker 1: such respect for our individual ways of writing and producing.
Speaker 1: And when Nick and I wrote our most recent album,
Speaker 1: we had like two different rooms going. So Nick was
Speaker 1: writing something with somebody and I had another room going,
Speaker 1: and we kind of like brought the best ofs and
Speaker 1: then came to the table and said, here's what I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: here's what I'm thinking, and we like kind of work together.
Speaker 1: We used to just argue our way through songwriting sessions,
Speaker 1: or everybody wants the chorus, you know, it's like I
Speaker 1: want the chorus. My voice sounds good on this, and
Speaker 1: we're like, oh, I really want to sing this because
Speaker 1: I kind of think it relates to something I'm going
Speaker 1: through more. And that was just like, now, it's quite
Speaker 1: nice that we're meeting each other really at the same place.
Speaker 1: You know, we're all fathers. We're all in this great
Speaker 1: place where like not it's not like one brother's like
Speaker 1: trying to find the next yacht party and one's like
Speaker 1: tucking you kids into bed. It's like really actually living
Speaker 1: the same place in our lives. And that makes a
Speaker 1: huge different when it comes to music. I think, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and the new music it feels that lyrically and we
Speaker 1: can actually tell this grown up story and that's essential. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's so exciting to hear, actually to hear about how
Speaker 1: if you're working in a team when you're in a
Speaker 1: similar place in life. Often there's a bit more empathy.
Speaker 1: There's been one understanding there. I think it's it's comparable
Speaker 1: to like any career path. Yeah. I mean if if
Speaker 1: you're writing a film with a good friend and one
Speaker 1: wants to write a love story and the other's like, no,
Speaker 1: I want to write a war film, and that's that's that.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be no love in it. It's like, definitely
Speaker 1: gonna be tough. Yeah, And so I think we felt
Speaker 1: that when we wrote songs, it'd be like one person's
Speaker 1: going through a heartbreak and the other one is like,
Speaker 1: well I just started seeing somebody. It's like, and I
Speaker 1: know that's really on the romance front, but that those
Speaker 1: heads budded. Yeah. Also, I've gotten the opportunity in the
Speaker 1: last couple of years to write music for film and TV.
Speaker 1: And I love putting a thinking cap on of somebody else.
Speaker 1: So playing it, I'm thinking as the character, Yeah, what
Speaker 1: would they feel and what so everything? During the lockdown,
Speaker 1: I wrote a song for an animated film called Rumble
Speaker 1: about like wrestling monsters, so putting putting on thinking cap
Speaker 1: of like all right, what would they sing about? And
Speaker 1: then just recently wrote a song for the film I
Speaker 1: shot last year, Devotion. The director about six months later
Speaker 1: asked me if I would be interested in writing the
Speaker 1: end credit songs. So I got to write with Ryan
Speaker 1: Tedter and harv who wrote he was Born of the
Speaker 1: Regime of Peaches for Justin Bieber, and I got my
Speaker 1: buddy Khalid a part of the song. And that was
Speaker 1: a really special experience because I also got to think
Speaker 1: about what it was like for the main character in
Speaker 1: the film and his relationship and how it was comparison
Speaker 1: to my relationship, and people that are just away from
Speaker 1: their families and friends a lot, and just what that
Speaker 1: feeling of you don't have to feel like you're alone.
Speaker 1: I'm always there for you, whether if it's spiritual or mentally.
Speaker 1: It takes that mindset. Yeah, I mean that was a
Speaker 1: lot of the crew for Voon. They were the ones
Speaker 1: that were part of our zen zone, right, So it's cool,
Speaker 1: it's really special. Yeah. I mean, actors, at least the
Speaker 1: actors I've run into. Meditation is so key on set.
Speaker 1: I mean when you're having even if it's like a
Speaker 1: split second where you have to get into character and
Speaker 1: just take a second and get it and be like
Speaker 1: all right, where am I? Where did I just come from?
Speaker 1: And it may sometimes be a little conversation in your
Speaker 1: own head. And I found it immensely helpful in scenes.
Speaker 1: Some of the tools you've given me that um I
Speaker 1: keep in my back pocket and I use whether it
Speaker 1: fits on stage or I'm about to hit a terrible
Speaker 1: golf shot, I can think about right breathing. Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: But tell me about that transition, because I think, like
Speaker 1: you know, I've seen you on stage, You're a natural performer. Always.
Speaker 1: I always tell you, like I see these pictures come
Speaker 1: out and like, did you just remind me of Freddie Mercury,
Speaker 1: Who I Love right? Like who I Love Like? Queen
Speaker 1: was my favorite banks going up and and so any
Speaker 1: footage I've ever seen of watching Freddie Mercury live is
Speaker 1: just unbelievable. And so that comes very naturally to you've
Speaker 1: done it for a long time. What was it that
Speaker 1: even gave that shift? When I heard you acting? And
Speaker 1: because you'd just for everyone to realize too, you'd be
Speaker 1: on set, like you'd be in all these random locations
Speaker 1: then like logging into zen Zone on your phone and like,
Speaker 1: but what was what brought that transition about? Like where
Speaker 1: where did that impetus come from? Well? Like where did
Speaker 1: that excitement come from? Yeah? Well, when I was much younger,
Speaker 1: I always wanted to act. I always wanted to Like
Speaker 1: I always put on a show in our basement. I
Speaker 1: had the Joe Showed. It was like a talk show
Speaker 1: that I put on and imitated late night talk shows.
Speaker 1: And then there was a popular TV series on that
Speaker 1: Nickelodeon called All That that was like a kid's version
Speaker 1: of SNL and I wanted to be a part of
Speaker 1: that show. I was like, these kids are allowed to
Speaker 1: be wacky and fun on TV. This is amazing. And
Speaker 1: then years later, you know, doing stuff with Disney. We
Speaker 1: did camp Rock, and we always like dabbled in film
Speaker 1: and TV and I and I had opportunities along the way,
Speaker 1: but music was always my main focus, and that took
Speaker 1: up a lot of time and the limited amount of
Speaker 1: weeks or months of the year that I was making
Speaker 1: an album where I was a little bit quiet season
Speaker 1: We're still like, we're still working, and not until really
Speaker 1: the Lockdown, where I saw an opportunity of time and
Speaker 1: started auditioning and having conversations. I had a conversation with
Speaker 1: JD the director Devotion, which I just straight up told him,
Speaker 1: I'm like, look, I know I'm not the first choice.
Speaker 1: I get that simply because I don't have the credits
Speaker 1: to prove that I could do this. But I will
Speaker 1: work so hard for you. I will prove to you
Speaker 1: that I can do this. And I sent itself a
Speaker 1: tape in and it was a life changing experience. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm lucky that I'm a part of a film like that,
Speaker 1: or I should say I'm very grateful that I'm a
Speaker 1: part of a film like that where I'm surrounded by
Speaker 1: such great talent and just soaking it up. I knew day.
Speaker 1: Once showing up on set, Jonathan Majors, who plays Jesse Brown,
Speaker 1: one of our leads of the film. I mean he
Speaker 1: was in character at the table read in his flight suit,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, okay, this is this is real,
Speaker 1: and I just felt so excited to just learn. And
Speaker 1: it's a bit of addictive because when you have somebody
Speaker 1: that is that in character all the time, it rubs
Speaker 1: off on you. So like all the other guys, we
Speaker 1: started dressing in nineteen fifties clothes and then we started
Speaker 1: like afterwards, I still was shaving every day like they
Speaker 1: were in the Navy, and I just like I loved
Speaker 1: that aspect of it where you really trying to dive in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you were working out a lot too, right, Like
Speaker 1: I swear during that movie you're like, well all these
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I showed. I showed the day
Speaker 1: the fitting was. I showed up to set and I
Speaker 1: saw all these photos mostly just like shirtless photos of
Speaker 1: these actors, and I was like, oh, I need to
Speaker 1: get I need to get. Like I thought my two
Speaker 1: days was enough and I was like, I gotta and
Speaker 1: they were like looking at their ages and I was like, man,
Speaker 1: this guy's like sixty seven years younger than me. I
Speaker 1: was like, all right, I gotta keep up with these kids.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it inspired me. They like work out, and
Speaker 1: we did a lot of military training where we were
Speaker 1: like we were doing group runs and you know, just
Speaker 1: working out on set a lot because we're just sitting
Speaker 1: around and and I think that's why meditation really came
Speaker 1: in handy. Working out came at handy on set. What
Speaker 1: they don't tell you about being in these beautiful films
Speaker 1: is that there's a lot of downtime. Yeah, waiting around
Speaker 1: and if you're not number one or two on the
Speaker 1: call sheet, then you're probably just hanging out and waiting
Speaker 1: for them to be like we need you in the background.
Speaker 1: So a lot of time spent and I was just
Speaker 1: like built a little workout. Yeah, I built a gym
Speaker 1: in my back of my car essentially, and I just
Speaker 1: would and I had a shower so if I got sweaty,
Speaker 1: would just shower in the trailer and then get ready again.
Speaker 1: And meditation, I mean we do with end zones on set.
Speaker 1: We would do these zooms where we did meditation on set.
Speaker 1: It was really amazing. Where did that workout to come from?
Speaker 1: For you, because that's why I was too much earlier, right,
Speaker 1: Like you discipline, your ability to apply your mind, your consistency,
Speaker 1: Like those things are not always common because you know,
Speaker 1: especially when you're being autistic and creative, sometimes you need
Speaker 1: spontaneity and you sometimes just have like an autistic moment.
Speaker 1: But you've been able to balance the two. Like where
Speaker 1: did that work ethic develop? Like how early was that?
Speaker 1: When did that? Was that from parenting? Was that from
Speaker 1: the brothers? Like where did that come from? You know,
Speaker 1: I chopped some of it up to my parents. My
Speaker 1: parents they worked really hard. I mean I watched I
Speaker 1: didn't really click when my dad, you know, he was
Speaker 1: very much in debt, putting his energy focused money into
Speaker 1: the Brothers. When we started, I mean, the guy was
Speaker 1: like three four jobs. He was driving every day from
Speaker 1: New Jersey. You drive us to the city to record
Speaker 1: a song, drive us back. I mean it's like an
Speaker 1: hour each way if you're lucky and there's no traffic.
Speaker 1: And then on weekends he's a minister. It's just like wow,
Speaker 1: joking into a lot of hats and also cattering to
Speaker 1: like an entire church, and yeah, their stuff. So some
Speaker 1: of that and so I think just when it comes
Speaker 1: down to it, I just want to keep pushing myself.
Speaker 1: And I'm also I'm so grateful that I get to
Speaker 1: do what I love for living. Every day I wake
Speaker 1: up and write a gratitude list, and on that list,
Speaker 1: it's usually one of the top four things is I'm
Speaker 1: grateful that I get to do what I love for
Speaker 1: living every single day, especially when there's so many people
Speaker 1: out there and there's so much music constantly coming out,
Speaker 1: and on the acting side, there's so many great actors
Speaker 1: out there that are constantly you're you're seeing and to
Speaker 1: be a part of a film like that, or to
Speaker 1: have music pop up on Spotify New Music Friday or
Speaker 1: wherever it may be, I'm like, I am so immensely
Speaker 1: grateful that I get to do this and continue to
Speaker 1: get to do this, And that makes me want to
Speaker 1: work even much that much harder because I don't want
Speaker 1: to just say, Okay, you know what, the Brothers are
Speaker 1: big enough, We're playing these big venues. We're like, it's like, great,
Speaker 1: this is a nice paycheck. I'm you'll see me every year. Guys.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, I want to like, how do we
Speaker 1: make this? Like, how do we make the music better.
Speaker 1: How do we make or bigger, bigger meaning like sonically,
Speaker 1: and how do we how do we connect more with
Speaker 1: our fan base and where they're out in their life
Speaker 1: because they're growing up with us and they have And
Speaker 1: it feels so great when we can listen to the
Speaker 1: music and say, I'm so proud of this because it
Speaker 1: connects on so many different points and I'm all being
Speaker 1: a part of a film like devotion emotionally, a beautiful
Speaker 1: true story and other things that I'm working on. Just
Speaker 1: I try to make sure that I'm really passionate about it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and that comes across. And I love that point you
Speaker 1: made about your parents. I mean I think about that
Speaker 1: often with my parents, who were both immigrants, and my
Speaker 1: mom moved to London when she was sixteen years old,
Speaker 1: which I can't imagine what that feels like. You know,
Speaker 1: English is not their first language, and then you're starting
Speaker 1: out from scratch like nothing. And then when I was
Speaker 1: she was like making us breakfast, me and my sister,
Speaker 1: dropping us to school, going to work, getting us picked
Speaker 1: up in the evening, making us dinner, like you know,
Speaker 1: just like taking care of us, and I just I
Speaker 1: always become my mum's work ethic, and I think that's
Speaker 1: I can I feel that similarity where I'm like, I
Speaker 1: worked this hard because I saw my mum worked that
Speaker 1: hardy like humble beginnings. It really is like, I'm really
Speaker 1: glad the way we grew up. Like I mean, there
Speaker 1: was a moment where all four boys or in one
Speaker 1: bedroom and four boys meaning our youngest at the time
Speaker 1: was the youngest brother was the baby, and we're like
Speaker 1: teenagers and we're starting this band. We play these big
Speaker 1: stages and go back and sleep in the same bedroom.
Speaker 1: And at the time I hated it because I was like, ah,
Speaker 1: but it's also now I'm like, that's what made me
Speaker 1: who I am today. And yeah, I think if it
Speaker 1: was a different situation, I don't know if I would
Speaker 1: be in the same mindset. Yeah, speaking about that though,
Speaker 1: Like one thing I've noticed with you from the time
Speaker 1: we have spend together and even with everyone else, whether
Speaker 1: it's online or offline, it's like you're super grounded. You
Speaker 1: make everyone feel comfortable around you. Like I remember when
Speaker 1: we were like hang out last year in New York,
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm always mindful. I'm like, are you
Speaker 1: sure you want to go there? Like you know, is
Speaker 1: you're gonna be surrounded by people, and like you were
Speaker 1: so cool when people came up, and you know, you
Speaker 1: could always bump into groups of people who are just
Speaker 1: happy to say hello to you. And you've always you
Speaker 1: seem very comfortable with obviously you've done it for a
Speaker 1: long time, but you're very comfortable with people. You're very
Speaker 1: easy with people. You're very grounded. I don't I don't
Speaker 1: notice ego and arrogance when I talk to you, and
Speaker 1: I see how you deal with your team, your friends,
Speaker 1: everyone in your life, and it's really beautiful to watch.
Speaker 1: And I really appreciate that because when I was in
Speaker 1: the monastery, it's like the most we were trained to
Speaker 1: believe that the most admirable quality in someone was humility.
Speaker 1: Like that was seen as like the crown jewel of
Speaker 1: all qualities, was if someone could be extremely accomplished but
Speaker 1: be humble, and that doesn't mean that they think they're worthless.
Speaker 1: It just means that they still treat everyone with respect.
Speaker 1: And I see that in you, and so I wonder
Speaker 1: was arrogance and ego ever a challenge? Was that ever?
Speaker 1: Or was that just obviously we'll have it when we're
Speaker 1: young and it goes away, or was it something that
Speaker 1: you got more used to with fame, Like how did
Speaker 1: I just want to hear your story with that, because
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, it's just special watching you where
Speaker 1: you are now and just how effelice it is. It's
Speaker 1: it's interesting because there's been definitely times I feel like
Speaker 1: I've been affected by the feeling of being on stage
Speaker 1: and feeling larger than life. At times, this feeling is like,
Speaker 1: you know, you're only way to put it as like
Speaker 1: the quarterback that wins the high school football game, like
Speaker 1: we're doing it every night on stage, that that energy
Speaker 1: and yeah, it's just it's trippy, you know, and I
Speaker 1: definitely can affect you. I am really grateful that I've
Speaker 1: had two guys to do this with. Um brothers keep
Speaker 1: you pretty accountable, and we stopped each other around a lot.
Speaker 1: I think that humble beginnings was also essential, like don't
Speaker 1: forget where you came from and all those things are
Speaker 1: so easy to just forget. Moved to LA and get
Speaker 1: a big house and like you're retired, like whatever, don't
Speaker 1: talk to me, I'm hiding out. And to each their own,
Speaker 1: I just I still don't know what the ingredient ones,
Speaker 1: but the magic ingredient was. But I think it's a
Speaker 1: bunch of different things. And I think also just getting
Speaker 1: older and like finding my own like happiness outside of
Speaker 1: the brothers, outside of music, outside of film or TV,
Speaker 1: just like on my own personal front of being able
Speaker 1: to you know, a bit of separate church and state
Speaker 1: in that sense where it's nice to just have something
Speaker 1: for myself and soap. And I am speaking to her
Speaker 1: obviously my wife for those who don't know what to
Speaker 1: talk about or who I'm talking about. You know, we
Speaker 1: were very particular with like sharing our relationships, so we
Speaker 1: didn't really post anything about a relationship till like we
Speaker 1: were engaged, like and it was nice for the first
Speaker 1: time to actually just have something for us, for me
Speaker 1: that I didn't feel like I need to share with
Speaker 1: the world. And um, I think you know she is
Speaker 1: also keeps me humble and accountable, and it's um been
Speaker 1: amazing to have a partner like her. I wind up
Speaker 1: my wife all the time. She's she does the same
Speaker 1: thing to me, Like my wife keeps me so helpful
Speaker 1: and so grounded, and so I'll wind her up by
Speaker 1: saying really egotistic things around her a whole time just
Speaker 1: to see actually reacts, and she never takes it as
Speaker 1: a joke. Like to her, it's like, you've got even
Speaker 1: joke about being arrogant. I can look in the mirror
Speaker 1: a certain way. Yeah, well I gotta looking selfiees A said,
Speaker 1: if I look at it, she's like, why are you
Speaker 1: doing that pout? Like what is wrong with Yeah? And
Speaker 1: she yeah, she'll she'll tell me straight up. She'd be like,
Speaker 1: they're not gonna work it with those shoes right, quote,
Speaker 1: Like yesterday I was like wow, planning on it. But
Speaker 1: and there's like obviously a lot of great things that
Speaker 1: come from it, yeah, things, But I think it's been
Speaker 1: really helpful to have outside of brothers, even like accountability
Speaker 1: when it comes to face, having a partner who's like
Speaker 1: supportive and also trustworthy and and you you know, has
Speaker 1: your back, but also will we'll keep your head on straight. Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more. I think about that all the
Speaker 1: time that I can't imagine how hard it is to
Speaker 1: create that. Obviously, Sophie has an incredible career herself as well,
Speaker 1: so it makes it somewhat more understanding. But I with
Speaker 1: my life, it's like I met rady before everything happened,
Speaker 1: and so it's been really wonderful to be understood in
Speaker 1: that way as well. Yeah, there's like a sense of
Speaker 1: challenge as well. Yeah, like as you're becoming this amazing
Speaker 1: influential person and there's so much coming at you, to
Speaker 1: have a support and obviously she also has an amazing career,
Speaker 1: but it's also to see both like do your thing
Speaker 1: and be supportive and like, you know, the days you
Speaker 1: can of the week that you don't get to see
Speaker 1: your partner, it's just stuff and so and now my
Speaker 1: life just work really hard so I can be home more. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's been something I've learned. You know that I
Speaker 1: I enjoy time off because I used to just be
Speaker 1: like I have a week off, Oh where what city
Speaker 1: am I going to? And now I'm like, I actually
Speaker 1: understand why it's nice to just chill. Right, You've got
Speaker 1: a door over children too to thank you. Just incredibly
Speaker 1: grateful to be a dad. Yeah, it's an amazing feeling. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what do you think you've learned by First We'll start
Speaker 1: with being in a relationship, Like what do you think
Speaker 1: you learned about yourself or something that you grew by
Speaker 1: being with Sophie that you didn't have before, Like a
Speaker 1: skill and ability, a mindset and approach to life. What
Speaker 1: came through that relationship with Sophie. That it's not some
Speaker 1: like cute relationship that you just you have. I've had
Speaker 1: my fun, I've dated before plenty, but what it's just
Speaker 1: so different with self is that that blew me away.
Speaker 1: It's just like the forgiveness the partner, the friend that
Speaker 1: I have, Like we're each other's best friends and we
Speaker 1: grow together. I mean, so many different amazing experiences that
Speaker 1: we've had in just five some years. It's just trippy
Speaker 1: to us. We're like, ohoh, we really have lived a
Speaker 1: life and it's just been amazing to like, at times
Speaker 1: save each other. You know, we've gone through so many
Speaker 1: heavy things together as a couple and individuals, and to
Speaker 1: know you have that support no matter what, it's just amazing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love hearing that. Man, it's beautiful. And yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: There's so many things now you can go on and
Speaker 1: on about, but yeah, I feel the same way. Like
Speaker 1: when I met Robbie, It's like I don't think I
Speaker 1: ever knew what a genuine like understanding relationship look like.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, like I feel understood. Yeah, I remember there
Speaker 1: was a big moment in our relationship where we were
Speaker 1: had a rocky phase and I like called it off
Speaker 1: and she was understanding, and that blew my mind. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that somebody could be and you break up with someone
Speaker 1: and they understand and I panicked and got back what
Speaker 1: they're like right away. But it was the best of
Speaker 1: It was obviously the best decision ever. I was not
Speaker 1: the breakup part. That was the dumbest decision, but I realizing,
Speaker 1: like the fact that she would be supportive. I realized
Speaker 1: that this person is loves me so much that they
Speaker 1: were willing to put aside their stuff for me, And
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the like, how how could I ever
Speaker 1: lose that? Yeah? And as special, Yeah, it's really special,
Speaker 1: it's beautiful. What about what about with the kids? Are
Speaker 1: becoming a dad? Like that's another These are major life transitions,
Speaker 1: right like going from being with the brothers to then
Speaker 1: doing your solo thing, then coming to therapy figuring that out.
Speaker 1: Then you know, these are major life transitions. And I
Speaker 1: think I'm not a dad yet, so I'm always intrigued
Speaker 1: to get get dad tips. And I mean Willard joined
Speaker 1: many many meditations many zen zones, which is very sweet,
Speaker 1: but like, yeah, what what would you say have been
Speaker 1: the greatest lessons and that for you the biggest, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the biggest, the greatest. I mean, there's so many. I
Speaker 1: got amazing advice before I became a father. Just before
Speaker 1: becoming a parent, I reached out to like my favorite
Speaker 1: people that are parents and the ones that I really
Speaker 1: respect how they raised their kids. Had a lot of
Speaker 1: questions for them, but the biggest question was like, if
Speaker 1: you can give me one big piece of advice, And
Speaker 1: almost all of them and this sounds just kind of cliche,
Speaker 1: but they were just like, literally enjoy every moment because
Speaker 1: it moves by so fast. And I think about my
Speaker 1: own father and I'm thinking, I'm like, you know, he blinks,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, his sons are in his thirties, it's
Speaker 1: like most of his sons and it's just like, and
Speaker 1: I'm a big kid at heart, and I also like
Speaker 1: I encourage other parents to just be a big kid.
Speaker 1: Another person mentioned, you know, they watched their son. They
Speaker 1: watched this like somebody walked by with their child over
Speaker 1: a puddle and that parent was like, no, no, we
Speaker 1: don't jump in puddles and he was like, I never
Speaker 1: want to be that parent. I want to be the
Speaker 1: parent that like explores that because you know, there's plenty
Speaker 1: of clothes at home you can change into, and like
Speaker 1: that imagination is so important for young kids and I
Speaker 1: had that growing up, and I want to be like that.
Speaker 1: And I understand if you're on your way somewhere fancy whatever.
Speaker 1: I get. There's there's obviously times maybe jump into puddles,
Speaker 1: not always the best, but like the message there is,
Speaker 1: imagination is so key. And if I was ever held
Speaker 1: back from like being wacky and silly and putting a
Speaker 1: show on for my family or friends in my basement,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be where I am today if I if
Speaker 1: I didn't love the music, if I didn't if I
Speaker 1: wasn't allowed to listen to music that I listened to,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things and I don't get it.
Speaker 1: That's a big question. Those are I mean, it's a
Speaker 1: big comment. There are music, there are certain music I
Speaker 1: didn't get to listen to it growing up. But I
Speaker 1: will say, like it molded me to who I am today,
Speaker 1: and I think the imagination thing is so key. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I think that's a beautiful point and it's it's interesting
Speaker 1: how that's really coming out in child psychology now. Like
Speaker 1: everything you're saying, I think is true because we're seeing
Speaker 1: through the research that when kids are too limited or
Speaker 1: restricted or put into this like rule system of like
Speaker 1: this is right and this is wrong, and this is
Speaker 1: okay and this isn't like as a child, it definitely
Speaker 1: limits your understanding I mean, I mean, I mean actually
Speaker 1: interviewing a ton of people who are like child trauma
Speaker 1: experts or people who have like deeply studied that area,
Speaker 1: and it aligns with what you're saying. And so it's
Speaker 1: it's beautiful to hear that, and it's nice to hear
Speaker 1: that you had it and you continue to pass it on.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And I think one of the most amazing
Speaker 1: things I've done and I haven't framed at home. This
Speaker 1: is one of my first experiences in therapy, and the
Speaker 1: therapist asked me to write a letter to like essentially,
Speaker 1: they asked me to think about what I see when
Speaker 1: I when I'm like when you say okay, And I'm
Speaker 1: no therapist, so excuse me for presenting this in and
Speaker 1: you probably know this method, but I want you to
Speaker 1: write a letter to yourself as a kid knowing to
Speaker 1: think of that age. So for me, it was between
Speaker 1: ages like seven and ten. And they're like, all right now,
Speaker 1: like I want you to like look at it. There
Speaker 1: was an empty chair. I want you to look at
Speaker 1: the empty chair and really visualize yourself, like visualize yourself,
Speaker 1: like what are you wearing, how's your hair? Look are
Speaker 1: you what are you playing with? Are you like sitting there?
Speaker 1: Are you? Are you nervous? You distracted? I'm like I
Speaker 1: can see myself essentially. And then I wrote a letter
Speaker 1: to myself and like to my younger self like yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, like maybe don't date this person whatever, just
Speaker 1: like funny little things to even like personal things, like
Speaker 1: it's okay to like be a weirdo, like you get
Speaker 1: picked for that. That's cool, and one day those guys
Speaker 1: are going to come to your concert like whatever, Like
Speaker 1: just funny things. And then I wrote a letter to
Speaker 1: myself as an adult but as of the eight year
Speaker 1: old self, and I couldn't get through the letter. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm bawling, crying trying to write this letter. And I
Speaker 1: wrote it with my hand. I'm not strong. I'm not
Speaker 1: very strong with so I wrote my left hand. So
Speaker 1: it's really squib like squiggily and oh I have the
Speaker 1: letter of frame to my house and it's just such
Speaker 1: a great reminder to to be a kid at heart
Speaker 1: and to like not be too hard on ourselves. Ye,
Speaker 1: we're all big kids at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: trying to figure this crazy thing called life out. Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: I love that exercise. I think it's such an important
Speaker 1: one and it's like everyone should definitely do that. Oh
Speaker 1: it's amazing. I mean I found it to be an
Speaker 1: emotional thing. Some people find it to be the funning game,
Speaker 1: but whatever it is, I loved it and I passed
Speaker 1: it on. Yeah, no, I think it's so I think
Speaker 1: so powerful. One are other things that we've talked about meditation,
Speaker 1: of course, and I'd love to know more of your
Speaker 1: practice now as well. But what are some other habits
Speaker 1: that you've picked up along the way. It sounds like
Speaker 1: you're a collector of like definitely, yeah, you know, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I like to think I'm a collected gratitude list. You
Speaker 1: talked about this letter to kids, we talked about meditation, Like,
Speaker 1: what are some of the other collections from other people?
Speaker 1: That's good, But I think the most recent are direct
Speaker 1: the director of the Votion JD Right above his monitors,
Speaker 1: he had what do you want them to feel? And
Speaker 1: I just fell in love with that little quote and
Speaker 1: I wrote it on a mirror in the dressing room
Speaker 1: um that we traveled with, so it wasn't just writing
Speaker 1: on some BACKSTA like left it for everyone, and that
Speaker 1: really helps me before I go onto stage, like what
Speaker 1: do I want them to feel? Especially after like a
Speaker 1: long day. Let's say your voice is tired, you're mentally drained,
Speaker 1: or you're like all right, we're playing the same show,
Speaker 1: like gotta find like like what about? And then that
Speaker 1: always reminds me. I'm like, there's somebody out there that's
Speaker 1: their favorite song or look for that person? Or if
Speaker 1: I'm tired, like these people spend all their day getting
Speaker 1: ready for today, like I want them to. Like if
Speaker 1: I went to a concert and I it takes me
Speaker 1: a lot to go see a show because I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, this has got to be somebody I really
Speaker 1: want to see. Yeah, you want to see that? What
Speaker 1: you think is that you want to leave going? That
Speaker 1: was amazing? Like how do I bring that for them?
Speaker 1: And same like what do you want to the field?
Speaker 1: And it's really powerful. So I've taken that along the way.
Speaker 1: My morning routine is I think pretty locked in now.
Speaker 1: My streaks are pretty good on my meditation app so
Speaker 1: like i'd pretty much wake up and the first thing
Speaker 1: I do is meditate. Sometimes it's like a moving meditation
Speaker 1: where I'm like, I can be brushing my teeth or
Speaker 1: doing something, but I'm like in silence and I'm just
Speaker 1: kind of walking through the steps. And then I write
Speaker 1: a gratitude list and it's anywhere from I'm grateful for
Speaker 1: the beautiful morning, I'm grateful for a couple of coffee,
Speaker 1: this and keep me going to like a larger thing.
Speaker 1: I'm grateful for my health, like the fact that I
Speaker 1: get to be able to walk on them two feet
Speaker 1: and do this, and obviously the list goes on, and
Speaker 1: then working on my Italian So I really don't quiz me,
Speaker 1: but I'm slowly slowly working on that. What's the why
Speaker 1: Italian specific? Right? We want to Italy on our honeymoon,
Speaker 1: and I just did not like that. I had to
Speaker 1: like be my hands were held by our translator the
Speaker 1: whole trip. So I'm on this romantic trip and then
Speaker 1: I'm like, do you mind asking if they have anymore,
Speaker 1: and I'm just just like embarrassed, but also like I
Speaker 1: took that and was like I want to go back
Speaker 1: here on our own and like not have to have
Speaker 1: anybody helping us out. It was like that brought me
Speaker 1: and then just it is amazing, Yeah it is. I
Speaker 1: love to learn more. I love that. I love what
Speaker 1: you were saying earlier, because I think that mindset for
Speaker 1: anyone who's performing, anyone who's done this for a long time,
Speaker 1: Like you know, I think a lot of people or
Speaker 1: most people who don't know me well, don't know that.
Speaker 1: I started speaking on stages and at events when I
Speaker 1: was eighteen years old, and so I'd done what I'd
Speaker 1: done for ten years before anyone cared or knew what
Speaker 1: it was. And when I hear what you're saying, it's
Speaker 1: like when you've done it for that long. I became
Speaker 1: more grateful when people actually cared, because I was like,
Speaker 1: I would do this for ten years. I'm like five
Speaker 1: people showed up, and so you know, when you start
Speaker 1: doing it and more people care and more people are interested,
Speaker 1: you become more grateful. But there was something beautiful. There
Speaker 1: was an interview with Vanessa Bryant, Kobe's Bran's wife after
Speaker 1: he passed away, and she was telling a story. Actually,
Speaker 1: I think she was giving a speech, and she told
Speaker 1: this conversation that she had with Kobe, and she said that,
Speaker 1: you know, people always asked Kobe why he played when
Speaker 1: he was injured, or a lot of people didn't know
Speaker 1: that he played when he was injured. But every time
Speaker 1: I'd ask him why he played when he was injured,
Speaker 1: it said that I'd played because that person has saved
Speaker 1: up to come and watch one game, and they want
Speaker 1: me to play in that game. They came to watch me,
Speaker 1: and if I don't play, then they won't have got
Speaker 1: to see me, and they may not be able to
Speaker 1: afford to go to another game ever again. And so
Speaker 1: I'm going to play even if I'm injured. And every
Speaker 1: time I think about that, and it's exactly what I
Speaker 1: heard in the essence of what you were saying that
Speaker 1: it's like people have come here to see us. It's like,
Speaker 1: what do you want them to feel like? When you
Speaker 1: live in that way, it's like every show becomes it's
Speaker 1: your first time, right, It feels that way because it's
Speaker 1: that person's first time, even if it's not yours. And
Speaker 1: I think that mindset is so beautiful and so especially
Speaker 1: when you see it across all these amazing people who
Speaker 1: who perform for a living, who are doing this week
Speaker 1: in week out, and the fact that you share that
Speaker 1: it speaks volumes for anyone out there who's wanting a
Speaker 1: career in this light, whatever it may be, any career
Speaker 1: that's on stage. You've got to have that in your
Speaker 1: hat because otherwise think it's really boring, really unfulfilling, and
Speaker 1: really dry really quickly. So anyway, you reminded me of that.
Speaker 1: That's a beautiful story. Yeah, I had to share it.
Speaker 1: What a legend he had found strength even when he's injured.
Speaker 1: Just it's amazing. Yeah, it's amazing. But I like that,
Speaker 1: what do you want to make people feel? I think
Speaker 1: that that's such a great way to live, Like you've
Speaker 1: just given a mundre for life, Like even if you're
Speaker 1: not a performance, I feel like it's just in general
Speaker 1: being more present with somebody. I mean, you know, there's
Speaker 1: there's times feel like you can't really even bring a
Speaker 1: lot to the table literally dinner table. Somebody calls you say, hey,
Speaker 1: you want to get dinner tonight, and you've been running
Speaker 1: running running, You're like, I don't think I can give
Speaker 1: you one hundred percent of myself mentally or physically, even
Speaker 1: like just to be in your presence, Like I just
Speaker 1: it's okay to give you the rain checks. I'm passed
Speaker 1: on the rain checks. Sometimes you're just like I I
Speaker 1: want you to be able to have my full attention,
Speaker 1: and I try to put that to play more often.
Speaker 1: How have you managed to keep so many good relationships?
Speaker 1: Like during this busy career, a hector career, Like it's
Speaker 1: most people end up becoming lonely and successful, right, And
Speaker 1: when we did Zen Zone, I got to meet all
Speaker 1: these wonderful human beings. And it wasn't just people in
Speaker 1: the industry. Like it wasn't like a I just sent
Speaker 1: a note out and whoever comes. It's like, these are
Speaker 1: people that know you and you know, and like when
Speaker 1: we would talk and like you know, there would be
Speaker 1: banter back and forth and you could tell that there
Speaker 1: was a real relationship. Of course, there's bandmates, there's there's people,
Speaker 1: but it's like, how have you managed I'm intrigued by
Speaker 1: that idea because I think it's less common and I
Speaker 1: think it's fascinating that it's not just the amount. First
Speaker 1: of all, you have a quantity of relationships as well,
Speaker 1: but they're also quality as well, Like what did you
Speaker 1: do to do that? I've had the same kind of
Speaker 1: friend crew for a long time. Like the older you get,
Speaker 1: your your friends gets tighter, some of which, like you said,
Speaker 1: I'm lucky that I get to work with some of
Speaker 1: my friends. I mean that's sometimes a dangerous game, but
Speaker 1: I think we've worked long enough where we've like we're
Speaker 1: still friends even if we've gone and done different career
Speaker 1: paths and come back together. But I think it's been
Speaker 1: essential just to get I think, and I always need
Speaker 1: FaceTime and I don't mean by FaceTime on the phone,
Speaker 1: and like literally FaceTime with that person or people, And
Speaker 1: I think it's really important for the relationship and just
Speaker 1: checking in, you know. I think it's so interesting how
Speaker 1: somebody gave me this device years ago. When we see
Speaker 1: our friends like going through something we know they're going through,
Speaker 1: they've lost in the family, or a situation that's pretty heavy,
Speaker 1: and we usually you think, like I don't want to
Speaker 1: bother them right now, And a lot of people are
Speaker 1: thinking that more than you would think. And how easy
Speaker 1: it is to pick up the phone or just shoot
Speaker 1: a text. Um. I've been trying to implement implement that
Speaker 1: a little bit more. I'm still not great at it,
Speaker 1: but I definitely know that, Like it's something that I
Speaker 1: have felt on the other side and I'm going through
Speaker 1: something kind of heavy, and like people might go like,
Speaker 1: I just want to give them space maybe they need.
Speaker 1: Maybe I shouldn't pretend like I know what it's like.
Speaker 1: It's somewhat nice to to be reached out to or
Speaker 1: to reach out. That's beautiful, man, And I know you
Speaker 1: do that. I think that's the thing. When I'm sitting
Speaker 1: in this interview and the whole time, I've been thinking, like,
Speaker 1: this guy actually does everything he's saying he does, and
Speaker 1: it's I genuinely respect it. It's it's so hard to
Speaker 1: really walk your talk. It's so hard to like really
Speaker 1: emphasize every you know. I remember even you know, just
Speaker 1: when when we were traveling together last year for that
Speaker 1: couple of the shows, and it was just, you know,
Speaker 1: you were going through so many family things as well
Speaker 1: in between, yeah, and I'd say you were constantly there
Speaker 1: in available and trying to make sure, you know, trying
Speaker 1: to figure it out and like that was what you
Speaker 1: guys were talking about, Like you know, it's a you
Speaker 1: could tell just how much love and how much which
Speaker 1: connection there was there with you know, with family and
Speaker 1: when when you look at family, family is obviously such
Speaker 1: a central pillar to your life, like in every sense
Speaker 1: of the word, the brothers, your parents, your your wife,
Speaker 1: your kids. You know, like the fact that the crew family,
Speaker 1: the team family. Like if you had to give not advice,
Speaker 1: but your reflection on like what keeps family to get
Speaker 1: together despite so many differences, despite doing business together? Like
Speaker 1: what have you? What have you come up with? Because
Speaker 1: there has to be something that keeps someone after all
Speaker 1: this time, like inspired to keep family together when it
Speaker 1: and it's not just business, right, it's more than that.
Speaker 1: I think we learned a while back that if it's
Speaker 1: just business twenty four or seven, which it was, like,
Speaker 1: it would implode, which it did. We broke up as
Speaker 1: a band and we wanted pretty much nothing to do
Speaker 1: with each other for a while. And when we decided
Speaker 1: to get back together as a band, there was a
Speaker 1: lot of like, all right, we have a lot to
Speaker 1: work through, and we did. But once we stepped back
Speaker 1: into this crazy world of what we do we made
Speaker 1: sure that we try to take some time just for
Speaker 1: us as brothers, as a family, like go on trips together,
Speaker 1: like let's that's men, not let's not talk about work.
Speaker 1: And it's weird because work is also like what we love,
Speaker 1: so music does come up. But there are moments where
Speaker 1: were like, let's just go ski together, Let's go play golf.
Speaker 1: I mean, golf, it's kind of our It's the one
Speaker 1: thing I guess we all can relate on. I'm not.
Speaker 1: I mean, we just went play golf and nickspert the
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy can plays like thirty six holes
Speaker 1: in one day and then he's like, all right, cool,
Speaker 1: we're gonna do that seven am tomorrow. I'm like, buddy,
Speaker 1: I need a break. So we have hobbies outside of
Speaker 1: work that I think that's essential for us, and even
Speaker 1: like with my parents and stuff like just hanging out.
Speaker 1: You know, let's just let's let's challenge each other without
Speaker 1: talking about business, because we're like in a business with
Speaker 1: our dad at times. We're in and out always like
Speaker 1: it always we can't help ourselves because we all love music,
Speaker 1: we all love what we do. We love supporting each other.
Speaker 1: But it is nice to say, you know, what let's
Speaker 1: just not talk about. Let's just do something as a
Speaker 1: family or as friends, as brothers and keep that relationship
Speaker 1: healthy as much as we can. Yeah, Joe, You've been
Speaker 1: so generous with your time. When everyone who's listening and
Speaker 1: watching to know that it's currently Friday night and it's
Speaker 1: eight twenty four pm. Joe's had a busy day. Tomorrow
Speaker 1: you're performing at Global Citizen. It's me really exciting Global
Speaker 1: Citizen at Central Park. I've never played the show, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean quite the flex. I mean, I mean, what
Speaker 1: a great cause. And I'm getting texts like you're playing
Speaker 1: Central Park tomorrow. I'm like, maybe, but I'm really excited
Speaker 1: to show the stage with some of these legendary acts.
Speaker 1: I can always say that I played a show with Metallica. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I never thought i'd be saying that. Yeah, it's awesome,
Speaker 1: but no, I'm so grateful for your time. Is there
Speaker 1: anything that I haven't asked you that you really wanted
Speaker 1: to share or something that was only a hot online
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, I really wanted to talk about this,
Speaker 1: but I didn't. I feel like you did. We kind
Speaker 1: of tapped into it a little bit on like the
Speaker 1: Daily practices, But one thing I've recently done, I find
Speaker 1: I kind of stole from Greg over there, which has
Speaker 1: been helpful. Actually, I like recently deleted social media off
Speaker 1: my phone. Oh wow, it's been like and I'll still
Speaker 1: like download Instagram occasionally just to check in on messages
Speaker 1: because it's like literally a new email at this point.
Speaker 1: But I it's been nice because I just needed the break,
Speaker 1: and it's been really helpful to be present with my
Speaker 1: friends and family. And I know there's other ways of
Speaker 1: doing it. I'm not saying it's bad for you. I
Speaker 1: mean there's there's other ways of of like setting the
Speaker 1: alarms and timers, but for me to don't even have
Speaker 1: it on my phone, I'll tell you what. I'm just
Speaker 1: like so much more aware and the and goes to
Speaker 1: the full circle like being present with my friends. I'm
Speaker 1: just like way more like in it, which has been
Speaker 1: really nice. I love that, and that's and that's hard.
Speaker 1: But the only thing I miss is like a couple
Speaker 1: of funny memes my friends will send me. Other than that,
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm pretty like aware, which is nice. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, and I've been loving all the spontaneous tiktoks oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. Yeah, I can't. I'll get back
Speaker 1: on there eventually. UM. I love that I can showcase
Speaker 1: that person my wacky personality. Like I got more people
Speaker 1: coming up to me on the street these days thaying
Speaker 1: I like your TikTok than your music, And I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right. I was doing an interview the other day
Speaker 1: and I'm set outside having coffee and as young lady
Speaker 1: came up and just like excuse me, and I was like,
Speaker 1: this is perfect timing. I'm about to do an interview.
Speaker 1: And she's like, I love your TikTok. Not unexpected, but
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. I appreciate it. And then I was like,
Speaker 1: I guess I should ask about your TikTok. That's awesome.
Speaker 1: I love that. Man. No, and I'm glad you shared that.
Speaker 1: I think it's so important to take these breaks to disconnect,
Speaker 1: to be present. But we end every interview with the
Speaker 1: final five, and these are fast five, so one word
Speaker 1: to one sentence maximum. So you've got to be on
Speaker 1: your toes, which you're very good at. So here are
Speaker 1: your final five, Joe Journas. The first question is what
Speaker 1: is the best advice you've ever received? There's a lot.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think this has been essential for growing up.
Speaker 1: Our dad always said, live like you're at the bottom bottom,
Speaker 1: even if you're at the top, not saying it, but
Speaker 1: the top. And I never was. But I think I've
Speaker 1: gotten a place where I could be feeling myself and
Speaker 1: that's been that brought. That's a great people back to
Speaker 1: humble beginning conversation. That's a great piece of advice. All right,
Speaker 1: we never had that on the show. I love it.
Speaker 1: Question number two, what's the worst advice you've ever heard?
Speaker 1: This isn't going to hurt? And then I got my
Speaker 1: first tattoo. That's true. Yeah, that was bad advice. I
Speaker 1: like that, all right. Question number three, what's something you
Speaker 1: used to value that you don't value anymore? And maybe
Speaker 1: it's just for the time being, but social media. I
Speaker 1: mean I'd taken this break. I realized it's really needed
Speaker 1: for my life, taking a little time off and just
Speaker 1: nice to be aware in present. And so I thought
Speaker 1: that was like forty minutes of my day in the day,
Speaker 1: just scrolling myself to be, you know, to bed being
Speaker 1: like now I'm dreaming about goats laughing on a mountain.
Speaker 1: Why U great dream? But you know, it's like I
Speaker 1: can just go to bed, Yeah, it's huge. That's a
Speaker 1: huge one, or wake up and not feel like anxiety
Speaker 1: from seeing some craziness. It's just nice to be like
Speaker 1: present and aware or being like jealous. You're not somewhere
Speaker 1: in the world with these people that you sometimes see.
Speaker 1: You're like, Okay, I'm with myself or my friends, people
Speaker 1: that I love. It's quite nice. That's a beautiful, beautiful description.
Speaker 1: All right. Question number four is how would you define
Speaker 1: your current purpose. I think to just be open to
Speaker 1: learning and growing. I think I realize that what I
Speaker 1: do is really incredible because I can make people feel
Speaker 1: a certain way and conduct a crowd in a sense.
Speaker 1: And I'm one of many but you that get that opportunity,
Speaker 1: and I know how how great of an opportunity that is.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, I think my purpose is to make
Speaker 1: people feel Yeah, hopefully good. Definitely more emotional at times
Speaker 1: for the song. Definitely good, definitely good. Fifteen final question,
Speaker 1: if you could create one law that everyone in the
Speaker 1: world had to follow, what would it be, be nicer
Speaker 1: to everyone, be nice for people. Yeah, we definitely need that.
Speaker 1: Let me do we definitely need that. Yeah, you're the many.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for doing this. Thank you so grateful. No,
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful you did this. I know we could
Speaker 1: go on for I know we can do it for
Speaker 1: hours a lot. This is one of ten, this is
Speaker 1: this is the first time. This is the first one
Speaker 1: you have come on any time one. Yeah, I would
Speaker 1: love to. Yeah, You're got to come on an it
Speaker 1: and I'm so great for you came one. I wanted
Speaker 1: to document this chapter of our journey together too, so
Speaker 1: that every time we can do it and look back
Speaker 1: and yeah, I watched a little screening remember when, Yeah,
Speaker 1: why was I wearing that? Yeah, maybe I'll no, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I love that. Thank you man, Thank thank you
Speaker 1: so much everyone who's been listening and watching back at home.
Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed this episode. I think there were
Speaker 1: so many great insights, exercises, tips from Joe. I want
Speaker 1: to make sure that you Joe's not on social media,
Speaker 1: but you can tag him anyway so that he knows when.
Speaker 1: But please tag Joe and I on TikTok, on Instagram,
Speaker 1: on Twitter, whatever you're using, so that we can see
Speaker 1: what you learned, what you took away, what you're practicing.
Speaker 1: I hope that you're going to put some of these
Speaker 1: great insights and tips into practice for yourself. And I
Speaker 1: hope you got to know Joe a little more deeply
Speaker 1: and a little more through my lens and through my
Speaker 1: eyes in the way that I've got to know him.
Speaker 1: So thank you so much for listening and watching. I
Speaker 1: hope you shared this with a ton of friends, and
Speaker 1: a big thank you to Joe, and a big thank
Speaker 1: you to each and every one of you.