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Speaker 1: I'm speaking to someone who I absolutely admire, respect on

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Speaker 1: he's finally on on purpose. Joe, Wow, thank you. Welcome

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Speaker 1: it's really special. Yeah. I mean, actors, at least the

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Speaker 1: I mean when you're having even if it's like a

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Speaker 1: And it may sometimes be a little conversation in your

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Speaker 1: Some of the tools you've given me that um I

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Speaker 1: But tell me about that transition, because I think, like

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Speaker 1: you know, I've seen you on stage, You're a natural performer. Always.

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Speaker 1: I always tell you, like I see these pictures come

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Speaker 1: done it for a long time. What was it that

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Speaker 1: even gave that shift? When I heard you acting? And

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Speaker 1: because you'd just for everyone to realize too, you'd be

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Speaker 1: on set, like you'd be in all these random locations

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Speaker 1: then like logging into zen Zone on your phone and like,

496
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Speaker 1: but what was what brought that transition about? Like where

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Speaker 1: where did that impetus come from? Well? Like where did

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Speaker 1: that excitement come from? Yeah? Well, when I was much younger,

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Speaker 1: I always wanted to act. I always wanted to Like

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Speaker 1: I always put on a show in our basement. I

501
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Speaker 1: had the Joe Showed. It was like a talk show

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Speaker 1: that I put on and imitated late night talk shows.

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Speaker 1: And then there was a popular TV series on that

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Speaker 1: Nickelodeon called All That that was like a kid's version

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Speaker 1: that show. I was like, these kids are allowed to

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Speaker 1: then years later, you know, doing stuff with Disney. We

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Speaker 1: did camp Rock, and we always like dabbled in film

510
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Speaker 1: and TV and I and I had opportunities along the way,

511
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Speaker 1: but music was always my main focus, and that took

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Speaker 1: up a lot of time and the limited amount of

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Speaker 1: weeks or months of the year that I was making

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Speaker 1: an album where I was a little bit quiet season

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Speaker 1: We're still like, we're still working, and not until really

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Speaker 1: the Lockdown, where I saw an opportunity of time and

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Speaker 1: started auditioning and having conversations. I had a conversation with

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Speaker 1: JD the director Devotion, which I just straight up told him,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, look, I know I'm not the first choice.

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Speaker 1: I get that simply because I don't have the credits

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Speaker 1: to prove that I could do this. But I will

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Speaker 1: work so hard for you. I will prove to you

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Speaker 1: that I can do this. And I sent itself a

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Speaker 1: tape in and it was a life changing experience. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm lucky that I'm a part of a film like that,

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Speaker 1: or I should say I'm very grateful that I'm a

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Speaker 1: part of a film like that where I'm surrounded by

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Speaker 1: such great talent and just soaking it up. I knew day.

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Speaker 1: Once showing up on set, Jonathan Majors, who plays Jesse Brown,

530
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Speaker 1: one of our leads of the film. I mean he

531
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Speaker 1: was in character at the table read in his flight suit,

532
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Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, okay, this is this is real,

533
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Speaker 1: and I just felt so excited to just learn. And

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Speaker 1: it's a bit of addictive because when you have somebody

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Speaker 1: that is that in character all the time, it rubs

536
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Speaker 1: off on you. So like all the other guys, we

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Speaker 1: started dressing in nineteen fifties clothes and then we started

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Speaker 1: like afterwards, I still was shaving every day like they

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Speaker 1: were in the Navy, and I just like I loved

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Speaker 1: that aspect of it where you really trying to dive in. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you were working out a lot too, right, Like

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Speaker 1: I swear during that movie you're like, well all these

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I showed. I showed the day

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Speaker 1: saw all these photos mostly just like shirtless photos of

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Speaker 1: these actors, and I was like, oh, I need to

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Speaker 1: get I need to get. Like I thought my two

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Speaker 1: days was enough and I was like, I gotta and

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Speaker 1: they were like looking at their ages and I was like, man,

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Speaker 1: this guy's like sixty seven years younger than me. I

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Speaker 1: was like, all right, I gotta keep up with these kids.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, it inspired me. They like work out, and

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Speaker 1: we did a lot of military training where we were

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Speaker 1: like we were doing group runs and you know, just

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Speaker 1: working out on set a lot because we're just sitting

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Speaker 1: around and and I think that's why meditation really came

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Speaker 1: in handy. Working out came at handy on set. What

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Speaker 1: they don't tell you about being in these beautiful films

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Speaker 1: is that there's a lot of downtime. Yeah, waiting around

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Speaker 1: and if you're not number one or two on the

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Speaker 1: call sheet, then you're probably just hanging out and waiting

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Speaker 1: for them to be like we need you in the background.

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Speaker 1: So a lot of time spent and I was just

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Speaker 1: like built a little workout. Yeah, I built a gym

565
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Speaker 1: in my back of my car essentially, and I just

566
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Speaker 1: would and I had a shower so if I got sweaty,

567
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Speaker 1: would just shower in the trailer and then get ready again.

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Speaker 1: And meditation, I mean we do with end zones on set.

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Speaker 1: We would do these zooms where we did meditation on set.

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Speaker 1: It was really amazing. Where did that workout to come from?

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Speaker 1: For you, because that's why I was too much earlier, right,

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Speaker 1: Like you discipline, your ability to apply your mind, your consistency,

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Speaker 1: Like those things are not always common because you know,

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Speaker 1: especially when you're being autistic and creative, sometimes you need

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Speaker 1: spontaneity and you sometimes just have like an autistic moment.

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Speaker 1: But you've been able to balance the two. Like where

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Speaker 1: did that work ethic develop? Like how early was that?

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Speaker 1: When did that? Was that from parenting? Was that from

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Speaker 1: the brothers? Like where did that come from? You know,

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Speaker 1: I chopped some of it up to my parents. My

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Speaker 1: parents they worked really hard. I mean I watched I

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Speaker 1: didn't really click when my dad, you know, he was

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Speaker 1: very much in debt, putting his energy focused money into

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Speaker 1: the Brothers. When we started, I mean, the guy was

585
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Speaker 1: like three four jobs. He was driving every day from

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Speaker 1: New Jersey. You drive us to the city to record

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Speaker 1: a song, drive us back. I mean it's like an

588
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Speaker 1: hour each way if you're lucky and there's no traffic.

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Speaker 1: And then on weekends he's a minister. It's just like wow,

590
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Speaker 1: joking into a lot of hats and also cattering to

591
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Speaker 1: like an entire church, and yeah, their stuff. So some

592
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Speaker 1: of that and so I think just when it comes

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Speaker 1: down to it, I just want to keep pushing myself.

594
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Speaker 1: And I'm also I'm so grateful that I get to

595
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Speaker 1: do what I love for living. Every day I wake

596
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Speaker 1: up and write a gratitude list, and on that list,

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Speaker 1: it's usually one of the top four things is I'm

598
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Speaker 1: grateful that I get to do what I love for

599
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Speaker 1: living every single day, especially when there's so many people

600
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Speaker 1: out there and there's so much music constantly coming out,

601
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Speaker 1: and on the acting side, there's so many great actors

602
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Speaker 1: out there that are constantly you're you're seeing and to

603
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Speaker 1: be a part of a film like that, or to

604
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Speaker 1: have music pop up on Spotify New Music Friday or

605
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Speaker 1: wherever it may be, I'm like, I am so immensely

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Speaker 1: grateful that I get to do this and continue to

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Speaker 1: get to do this, And that makes me want to

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Speaker 1: work even much that much harder because I don't want

609
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Speaker 1: to just say, Okay, you know what, the Brothers are

610
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Speaker 1: big enough, We're playing these big venues. We're like, it's like, great,

611
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Speaker 1: this is a nice paycheck. I'm you'll see me every year. Guys.

612
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Speaker 1: It's like, no, I want to like, how do we

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Speaker 1: make this? Like, how do we make the music better.

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Speaker 1: How do we make or bigger, bigger meaning like sonically,

615
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Speaker 1: and how do we how do we connect more with

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Speaker 1: our fan base and where they're out in their life

617
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Speaker 1: because they're growing up with us and they have And

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Speaker 1: it feels so great when we can listen to the

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620
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Speaker 1: connects on so many different points and I'm all being

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Speaker 1: a part of a film like devotion emotionally, a beautiful

622
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Speaker 1: true story and other things that I'm working on. Just

623
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Speaker 1: I try to make sure that I'm really passionate about it. Yeah, yeah,

624
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Speaker 1: and that comes across. And I love that point you

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Speaker 1: made about your parents. I mean I think about that

626
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Speaker 1: often with my parents, who were both immigrants, and my

627
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: mom moved to London when she was sixteen years old,

628
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Speaker 1: which I can't imagine what that feels like. You know,

629
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Speaker 1: English is not their first language, and then you're starting

630
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Speaker 1: out from scratch like nothing. And then when I was

631
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Speaker 1: she was like making us breakfast, me and my sister,

632
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Speaker 1: dropping us to school, going to work, getting us picked

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Speaker 1: up in the evening, making us dinner, like you know,

634
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Speaker 1: just like taking care of us, and I just I

635
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Speaker 1: always become my mum's work ethic, and I think that's

636
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Speaker 1: I can I feel that similarity where I'm like, I

637
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Speaker 1: worked this hard because I saw my mum worked that

638
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: hardy like humble beginnings. It really is like, I'm really

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Speaker 1: glad the way we grew up. Like I mean, there

640
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: was a moment where all four boys or in one

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Speaker 1: bedroom and four boys meaning our youngest at the time

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Speaker 1: was the youngest brother was the baby, and we're like

643
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Speaker 1: teenagers and we're starting this band. We play these big

644
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: stages and go back and sleep in the same bedroom.

645
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: And at the time I hated it because I was like, ah,

646
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: but it's also now I'm like, that's what made me

647
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: who I am today. And yeah, I think if it

648
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: was a different situation, I don't know if I would

649
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: be in the same mindset. Yeah, speaking about that though,

650
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: Like one thing I've noticed with you from the time

651
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: we have spend together and even with everyone else, whether

652
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: it's online or offline, it's like you're super grounded. You

653
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: make everyone feel comfortable around you. Like I remember when

654
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: we were like hang out last year in New York,

655
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm always mindful. I'm like, are you

656
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: sure you want to go there? Like you know, is

657
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: you're gonna be surrounded by people, and like you were

658
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: so cool when people came up, and you know, you

659
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: could always bump into groups of people who are just

660
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: happy to say hello to you. And you've always you

661
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: seem very comfortable with obviously you've done it for a

662
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: long time, but you're very comfortable with people. You're very

663
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: easy with people. You're very grounded. I don't I don't

664
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: notice ego and arrogance when I talk to you, and

665
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: I see how you deal with your team, your friends,

666
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: everyone in your life, and it's really beautiful to watch.

667
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: And I really appreciate that because when I was in

668
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: the monastery, it's like the most we were trained to

669
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: believe that the most admirable quality in someone was humility.

670
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: Like that was seen as like the crown jewel of

671
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: all qualities, was if someone could be extremely accomplished but

672
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: be humble, and that doesn't mean that they think they're worthless.

673
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: It just means that they still treat everyone with respect.

674
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: And I see that in you, and so I wonder

675
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: was arrogance and ego ever a challenge? Was that ever?

676
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: Or was that just obviously we'll have it when we're

677
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: young and it goes away, or was it something that

678
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: you got more used to with fame, Like how did

679
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: I just want to hear your story with that, because

680
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, it's just special watching you where

681
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: you are now and just how effelice it is. It's

682
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: it's interesting because there's been definitely times I feel like

683
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:22,720
Speaker 1: I've been affected by the feeling of being on stage

684
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 1: and feeling larger than life. At times, this feeling is like,

685
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: you know, you're only way to put it as like

686
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: the quarterback that wins the high school football game, like

687
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,760
Speaker 1: we're doing it every night on stage, that that energy

688
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: and yeah, it's just it's trippy, you know, and I

689
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: definitely can affect you. I am really grateful that I've

690
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: had two guys to do this with. Um brothers keep

691
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 1: you pretty accountable, and we stopped each other around a lot.

692
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: I think that humble beginnings was also essential, like don't

693
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: forget where you came from and all those things are

694
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: so easy to just forget. Moved to LA and get

695
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: a big house and like you're retired, like whatever, don't

696
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: talk to me, I'm hiding out. And to each their own,

697
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 1: I just I still don't know what the ingredient ones,

698
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: but the magic ingredient was. But I think it's a

699
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 1: bunch of different things. And I think also just getting

700
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 1: older and like finding my own like happiness outside of

701
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: the brothers, outside of music, outside of film or TV,

702
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: just like on my own personal front of being able

703
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: to you know, a bit of separate church and state

704
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: in that sense where it's nice to just have something

705
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 1: for myself and soap. And I am speaking to her

706
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: obviously my wife for those who don't know what to

707
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: talk about or who I'm talking about. You know, we

708
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: were very particular with like sharing our relationships, so we

709
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: didn't really post anything about a relationship till like we

710
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,439
Speaker 1: were engaged, like and it was nice for the first

711
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: time to actually just have something for us, for me

712
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: that I didn't feel like I need to share with

713
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 1: the world. And um, I think you know she is

714
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:08,280
Speaker 1: also keeps me humble and accountable, and it's um been

715
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 1: amazing to have a partner like her. I wind up

716
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: my wife all the time. She's she does the same

717
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: thing to me, Like my wife keeps me so helpful

718
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: and so grounded, and so I'll wind her up by

719
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: saying really egotistic things around her a whole time just

720
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: to see actually reacts, and she never takes it as

721
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: a joke. Like to her, it's like, you've got even

722
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: joke about being arrogant. I can look in the mirror

723
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: a certain way. Yeah, well I gotta looking selfiees A said,

724
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: if I look at it, she's like, why are you

725
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: doing that pout? Like what is wrong with Yeah? And

726
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: she yeah, she'll she'll tell me straight up. She'd be like,

727
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 1: they're not gonna work it with those shoes right, quote,

728
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: Like yesterday I was like wow, planning on it. But

729
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: and there's like obviously a lot of great things that

730
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: come from it, yeah, things, But I think it's been

731
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: really helpful to have outside of brothers, even like accountability

732
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: when it comes to face, having a partner who's like

733
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: supportive and also trustworthy and and you you know, has

734
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: your back, but also will we'll keep your head on straight. Yeah, definitely.

735
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more. I think about that all the

736
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 1: time that I can't imagine how hard it is to

737
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 1: create that. Obviously, Sophie has an incredible career herself as well,

738
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: so it makes it somewhat more understanding. But I with

739
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: my life, it's like I met rady before everything happened,

740
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: and so it's been really wonderful to be understood in

741
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: that way as well. Yeah, there's like a sense of

742
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 1: challenge as well. Yeah, like as you're becoming this amazing

743
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 1: influential person and there's so much coming at you, to

744
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,959
Speaker 1: have a support and obviously she also has an amazing career,

745
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 1: but it's also to see both like do your thing

746
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: and be supportive and like, you know, the days you

747
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: can of the week that you don't get to see

748
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: your partner, it's just stuff and so and now my

749
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: life just work really hard so I can be home more. Yeah,

750
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: and that's been something I've learned. You know that I

751
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: I enjoy time off because I used to just be

752
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,959
Speaker 1: like I have a week off, Oh where what city

753
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: am I going to? And now I'm like, I actually

754
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: understand why it's nice to just chill. Right, You've got

755
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: a door over children too to thank you. Just incredibly

756
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 1: grateful to be a dad. Yeah, it's an amazing feeling. Yeah,

757
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 1: what do you think you've learned by First We'll start

758
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: with being in a relationship, Like what do you think

759
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: you learned about yourself or something that you grew by

760
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: being with Sophie that you didn't have before, Like a

761
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: skill and ability, a mindset and approach to life. What

762
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: came through that relationship with Sophie. That it's not some

763
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:49,439
Speaker 1: like cute relationship that you just you have. I've had

764
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 1: my fun, I've dated before plenty, but what it's just

765
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: so different with self is that that blew me away.

766
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: It's just like the forgiveness the partner, the friend that

767
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: I have, Like we're each other's best friends and we

768
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 1: grow together. I mean, so many different amazing experiences that

769
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:12,280
Speaker 1: we've had in just five some years. It's just trippy

770
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 1: to us. We're like, ohoh, we really have lived a

771
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: life and it's just been amazing to like, at times

772
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: save each other. You know, we've gone through so many

773
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: heavy things together as a couple and individuals, and to

774
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 1: know you have that support no matter what, it's just amazing. Yeah.

775
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,720
Speaker 1: I love hearing that. Man, it's beautiful. And yeah, I agree.

776
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: There's so many things now you can go on and

777
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: on about, but yeah, I feel the same way. Like

778
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 1: when I met Robbie, It's like I don't think I

779
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 1: ever knew what a genuine like understanding relationship look like.

780
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: Like yeah, like I feel understood. Yeah, I remember there

781
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: was a big moment in our relationship where we were

782
00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:00,280
Speaker 1: had a rocky phase and I like called it off

783
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: and she was understanding, and that blew my mind. Yeah,

784
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: that somebody could be and you break up with someone

785
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 1: and they understand and I panicked and got back what

786
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: they're like right away. But it was the best of

787
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: It was obviously the best decision ever. I was not

788
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: the breakup part. That was the dumbest decision, but I realizing,

789
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:25,280
Speaker 1: like the fact that she would be supportive. I realized

790
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: that this person is loves me so much that they

791
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: were willing to put aside their stuff for me, And

792
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the like, how how could I ever

793
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: lose that? Yeah? And as special, Yeah, it's really special,

794
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 1: it's beautiful. What about what about with the kids? Are

795
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: becoming a dad? Like that's another These are major life transitions,

796
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: right like going from being with the brothers to then

797
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 1: doing your solo thing, then coming to therapy figuring that out.

798
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: Then you know, these are major life transitions. And I

799
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: think I'm not a dad yet, so I'm always intrigued

800
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: to get get dad tips. And I mean Willard joined

801
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: many many meditations many zen zones, which is very sweet,

802
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: but like, yeah, what what would you say have been

803
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: the greatest lessons and that for you the biggest, Yeah,

804
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: the biggest, the greatest. I mean, there's so many. I

805
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: got amazing advice before I became a father. Just before

806
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 1: becoming a parent, I reached out to like my favorite

807
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,439
Speaker 1: people that are parents and the ones that I really

808
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 1: respect how they raised their kids. Had a lot of

809
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: questions for them, but the biggest question was like, if

810
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,240
Speaker 1: you can give me one big piece of advice, And

811
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: almost all of them and this sounds just kind of cliche,

812
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: but they were just like, literally enjoy every moment because

813
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: it moves by so fast. And I think about my

814
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: own father and I'm thinking, I'm like, you know, he blinks,

815
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: and I'm like, his sons are in his thirties, it's

816
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: like most of his sons and it's just like, and

817
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: I'm a big kid at heart, and I also like

818
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: I encourage other parents to just be a big kid.

819
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 1: Another person mentioned, you know, they watched their son. They

820
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: watched this like somebody walked by with their child over

821
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 1: a puddle and that parent was like, no, no, we

822
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: don't jump in puddles and he was like, I never

823
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: want to be that parent. I want to be the

824
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,439
Speaker 1: parent that like explores that because you know, there's plenty

825
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: of clothes at home you can change into, and like

826
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: that imagination is so important for young kids and I

827
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 1: had that growing up, and I want to be like that.

828
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: And I understand if you're on your way somewhere fancy whatever.

829
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: I get. There's there's obviously times maybe jump into puddles,

830
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: not always the best, but like the message there is,

831
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: imagination is so key. And if I was ever held

832
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 1: back from like being wacky and silly and putting a

833
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,760
Speaker 1: show on for my family or friends in my basement,

834
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be where I am today if I if

835
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: I didn't love the music, if I didn't if I

836
00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: wasn't allowed to listen to music that I listened to,

837
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things and I don't get it.

838
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 1: That's a big question. Those are I mean, it's a

839
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 1: big comment. There are music, there are certain music I

840
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: didn't get to listen to it growing up. But I

841
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: will say, like it molded me to who I am today,

842
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 1: and I think the imagination thing is so key. Yeah, No,

843
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: I think that's a beautiful point and it's it's interesting

844
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 1: how that's really coming out in child psychology now. Like

845
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: everything you're saying, I think is true because we're seeing

846
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: through the research that when kids are too limited or

847
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: restricted or put into this like rule system of like

848
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: this is right and this is wrong, and this is

849
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: okay and this isn't like as a child, it definitely

850
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: limits your understanding I mean, I mean, I mean actually

851
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 1: interviewing a ton of people who are like child trauma

852
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: experts or people who have like deeply studied that area,

853
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: and it aligns with what you're saying. And so it's

854
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: it's beautiful to hear that, and it's nice to hear

855
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: that you had it and you continue to pass it on.

856
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And I think one of the most amazing

857
00:43:56,239 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: things I've done and I haven't framed at home. This

858
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: is one of my first experiences in therapy, and the

859
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: therapist asked me to write a letter to like essentially,

860
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: they asked me to think about what I see when

861
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: I when I'm like when you say okay, And I'm

862
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 1: no therapist, so excuse me for presenting this in and

863
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: you probably know this method, but I want you to

864
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: write a letter to yourself as a kid knowing to

865
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 1: think of that age. So for me, it was between

866
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: ages like seven and ten. And they're like, all right now,

867
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: like I want you to like look at it. There

868
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: was an empty chair. I want you to look at

869
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 1: the empty chair and really visualize yourself, like visualize yourself,

870
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: like what are you wearing, how's your hair? Look are

871
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: you what are you playing with? Are you like sitting there?

872
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 1: Are you? Are you nervous? You distracted? I'm like I

873
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: can see myself essentially. And then I wrote a letter

874
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: to myself and like to my younger self like yeah,

875
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: you know, like maybe don't date this person whatever, just

876
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: like funny little things to even like personal things, like

877
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: it's okay to like be a weirdo, like you get

878
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: picked for that. That's cool, and one day those guys

879
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: are going to come to your concert like whatever, Like

880
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: just funny things. And then I wrote a letter to

881
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: myself as an adult but as of the eight year

882
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: old self, and I couldn't get through the letter. I mean,

883
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: I'm bawling, crying trying to write this letter. And I

884
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: wrote it with my hand. I'm not strong. I'm not

885
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 1: very strong with so I wrote my left hand. So

886
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 1: it's really squib like squiggily and oh I have the

887
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,439
Speaker 1: letter of frame to my house and it's just such

888
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: a great reminder to to be a kid at heart

889
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: and to like not be too hard on ourselves. Ye,

890
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 1: we're all big kids at the end of the day,

891
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: trying to figure this crazy thing called life out. Yeah, totally.

892
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: I love that exercise. I think it's such an important

893
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: one and it's like everyone should definitely do that. Oh

894
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: it's amazing. I mean I found it to be an

895
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: emotional thing. Some people find it to be the funning game,

896
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: but whatever it is, I loved it and I passed

897
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 1: it on. Yeah, no, I think it's so I think

898
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: so powerful. One are other things that we've talked about meditation,

899
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: of course, and I'd love to know more of your

900
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 1: practice now as well. But what are some other habits

901
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: that you've picked up along the way. It sounds like

902
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 1: you're a collector of like definitely, yeah, you know, like, yeah,

903
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 1: I like to think I'm a collected gratitude list. You

904
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 1: talked about this letter to kids, we talked about meditation, Like,

905
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:13,720
Speaker 1: what are some of the other collections from other people?

906
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: That's good, But I think the most recent are direct

907
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 1: the director of the Votion JD Right above his monitors,

908
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 1: he had what do you want them to feel? And

909
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 1: I just fell in love with that little quote and

910
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: I wrote it on a mirror in the dressing room

911
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 1: um that we traveled with, so it wasn't just writing

912
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 1: on some BACKSTA like left it for everyone, and that

913
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: really helps me before I go onto stage, like what

914
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: do I want them to feel? Especially after like a

915
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: long day. Let's say your voice is tired, you're mentally drained,

916
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: or you're like all right, we're playing the same show,

917
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: like gotta find like like what about? And then that

918
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: always reminds me. I'm like, there's somebody out there that's

919
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: their favorite song or look for that person? Or if

920
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 1: I'm tired, like these people spend all their day getting

921
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: ready for today, like I want them to. Like if

922
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: I went to a concert and I it takes me

923
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 1: a lot to go see a show because I'm like,

924
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: all right, this has got to be somebody I really

925
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: want to see. Yeah, you want to see that? What

926
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: you think is that you want to leave going? That

927
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: was amazing? Like how do I bring that for them?

928
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: And same like what do you want to the field?

929
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:27,919
Speaker 1: And it's really powerful. So I've taken that along the way.

930
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: My morning routine is I think pretty locked in now.

931
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: My streaks are pretty good on my meditation app so

932
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,399
Speaker 1: like i'd pretty much wake up and the first thing

933
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: I do is meditate. Sometimes it's like a moving meditation

934
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: where I'm like, I can be brushing my teeth or

935
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 1: doing something, but I'm like in silence and I'm just

936
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: kind of walking through the steps. And then I write

937
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: a gratitude list and it's anywhere from I'm grateful for

938
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: the beautiful morning, I'm grateful for a couple of coffee,

939
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 1: this and keep me going to like a larger thing.

940
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: I'm grateful for my health, like the fact that I

941
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 1: get to be able to walk on them two feet

942
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 1: and do this, and obviously the list goes on, and

943
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 1: then working on my Italian So I really don't quiz me,

944
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: but I'm slowly slowly working on that. What's the why

945
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: Italian specific? Right? We want to Italy on our honeymoon,

946
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 1: and I just did not like that. I had to

947
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: like be my hands were held by our translator the

948
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: whole trip. So I'm on this romantic trip and then

949
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, do you mind asking if they have anymore,

950
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: and I'm just just like embarrassed, but also like I

951
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 1: took that and was like I want to go back

952
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: here on our own and like not have to have

953
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: anybody helping us out. It was like that brought me

954
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 1: and then just it is amazing, Yeah it is. I

955
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: love to learn more. I love that. I love what

956
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: you were saying earlier, because I think that mindset for

957
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 1: anyone who's performing, anyone who's done this for a long time,

958
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: Like you know, I think a lot of people or

959
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 1: most people who don't know me well, don't know that.

960
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: I started speaking on stages and at events when I

961
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: was eighteen years old, and so I'd done what I'd

962
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: done for ten years before anyone cared or knew what

963
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 1: it was. And when I hear what you're saying, it's

964
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: like when you've done it for that long. I became

965
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: more grateful when people actually cared, because I was like,

966
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 1: I would do this for ten years. I'm like five

967
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: people showed up, and so you know, when you start

968
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: doing it and more people care and more people are interested,

969
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: you become more grateful. But there was something beautiful. There

970
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: was an interview with Vanessa Bryant, Kobe's Bran's wife after

971
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: he passed away, and she was telling a story. Actually,

972
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: I think she was giving a speech, and she told

973
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: this conversation that she had with Kobe, and she said that,

974
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: you know, people always asked Kobe why he played when

975
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: he was injured, or a lot of people didn't know

976
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,399
Speaker 1: that he played when he was injured. But every time

977
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 1: I'd ask him why he played when he was injured,

978
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 1: it said that I'd played because that person has saved

979
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 1: up to come and watch one game, and they want

980
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 1: me to play in that game. They came to watch me,

981
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,839
Speaker 1: and if I don't play, then they won't have got

982
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: to see me, and they may not be able to

983
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: afford to go to another game ever again. And so

984
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: I'm going to play even if I'm injured. And every

985
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: time I think about that, and it's exactly what I

986
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: heard in the essence of what you were saying that

987
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 1: it's like people have come here to see us. It's like,

988
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: what do you want them to feel like? When you

989
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: live in that way, it's like every show becomes it's

990
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: your first time, right, It feels that way because it's

991
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: that person's first time, even if it's not yours. And

992
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: I think that mindset is so beautiful and so especially

993
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 1: when you see it across all these amazing people who

994
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: who perform for a living, who are doing this week

995
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: in week out, and the fact that you share that

996
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 1: it speaks volumes for anyone out there who's wanting a

997
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: career in this light, whatever it may be, any career

998
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 1: that's on stage. You've got to have that in your

999
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 1: hat because otherwise think it's really boring, really unfulfilling, and

1000
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,800
Speaker 1: really dry really quickly. So anyway, you reminded me of that.

1001
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,399
Speaker 1: That's a beautiful story. Yeah, I had to share it.

1002
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 1: What a legend he had found strength even when he's injured.

1003
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 1: Just it's amazing. Yeah, it's amazing. But I like that,

1004
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 1: what do you want to make people feel? I think

1005
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: that that's such a great way to live, Like you've

1006
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: just given a mundre for life, Like even if you're

1007
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: not a performance, I feel like it's just in general

1008
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,280
Speaker 1: being more present with somebody. I mean, you know, there's

1009
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: there's times feel like you can't really even bring a

1010
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: lot to the table literally dinner table. Somebody calls you say, hey,

1011
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: you want to get dinner tonight, and you've been running

1012
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 1: running running, You're like, I don't think I can give

1013
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: you one hundred percent of myself mentally or physically, even

1014
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: like just to be in your presence, Like I just

1015
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: it's okay to give you the rain checks. I'm passed

1016
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 1: on the rain checks. Sometimes you're just like I I

1017
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: want you to be able to have my full attention,

1018
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: and I try to put that to play more often.

1019
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: How have you managed to keep so many good relationships?

1020
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: Like during this busy career, a hector career, Like it's

1021
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: most people end up becoming lonely and successful, right, And

1022
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: when we did Zen Zone, I got to meet all

1023
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 1: these wonderful human beings. And it wasn't just people in

1024
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,399
Speaker 1: the industry. Like it wasn't like a I just sent

1025
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: a note out and whoever comes. It's like, these are

1026
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: people that know you and you know, and like when

1027
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: we would talk and like you know, there would be

1028
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 1: banter back and forth and you could tell that there

1029
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 1: was a real relationship. Of course, there's bandmates, there's there's people,

1030
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: but it's like, how have you managed I'm intrigued by

1031
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 1: that idea because I think it's less common and I

1032
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: think it's fascinating that it's not just the amount. First

1033
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 1: of all, you have a quantity of relationships as well,

1034
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 1: but they're also quality as well, Like what did you

1035
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 1: do to do that? I've had the same kind of

1036
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 1: friend crew for a long time. Like the older you get,

1037
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:59,399
Speaker 1: your your friends gets tighter, some of which, like you said,

1038
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: I'm lucky that I get to work with some of

1039
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: my friends. I mean that's sometimes a dangerous game, but

1040
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: I think we've worked long enough where we've like we're

1041
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: still friends even if we've gone and done different career

1042
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: paths and come back together. But I think it's been

1043
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 1: essential just to get I think, and I always need

1044
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 1: FaceTime and I don't mean by FaceTime on the phone,

1045
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 1: and like literally FaceTime with that person or people, And

1046
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: I think it's really important for the relationship and just

1047
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: checking in, you know. I think it's so interesting how

1048
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,879
Speaker 1: somebody gave me this device years ago. When we see

1049
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: our friends like going through something we know they're going through,

1050
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:45,280
Speaker 1: they've lost in the family, or a situation that's pretty heavy,

1051
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: and we usually you think, like I don't want to

1052
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: bother them right now, And a lot of people are

1053
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: thinking that more than you would think. And how easy

1054
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 1: it is to pick up the phone or just shoot

1055
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: a text. Um. I've been trying to implement implement that

1056
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: a little bit more. I'm still not great at it,

1057
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: but I definitely know that, Like it's something that I

1058
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: have felt on the other side and I'm going through

1059
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: something kind of heavy, and like people might go like,

1060
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: I just want to give them space maybe they need.

1061
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 1: Maybe I shouldn't pretend like I know what it's like.

1062
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 1: It's somewhat nice to to be reached out to or

1063
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 1: to reach out. That's beautiful, man, And I know you

1064
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 1: do that. I think that's the thing. When I'm sitting

1065
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: in this interview and the whole time, I've been thinking, like,

1066
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 1: this guy actually does everything he's saying he does, and

1067
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: it's I genuinely respect it. It's it's so hard to

1068
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: really walk your talk. It's so hard to like really

1069
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: emphasize every you know. I remember even you know, just

1070
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 1: when when we were traveling together last year for that

1071
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 1: couple of the shows, and it was just, you know,

1072
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 1: you were going through so many family things as well

1073
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 1: in between, yeah, and I'd say you were constantly there

1074
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 1: in available and trying to make sure, you know, trying

1075
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: to figure it out and like that was what you

1076
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 1: guys were talking about, Like you know, it's a you

1077
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: could tell just how much love and how much which

1078
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: connection there was there with you know, with family and

1079
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: when when you look at family, family is obviously such

1080
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: a central pillar to your life, like in every sense

1081
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: of the word, the brothers, your parents, your your wife,

1082
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: your kids. You know, like the fact that the crew family,

1083
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: the team family. Like if you had to give not advice,

1084
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,919
Speaker 1: but your reflection on like what keeps family to get

1085
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:28,359
Speaker 1: together despite so many differences, despite doing business together? Like

1086
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 1: what have you? What have you come up with? Because

1087
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: there has to be something that keeps someone after all

1088
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: this time, like inspired to keep family together when it

1089
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 1: and it's not just business, right, it's more than that.

1090
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:45,280
Speaker 1: I think we learned a while back that if it's

1091
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: just business twenty four or seven, which it was, like,

1092
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,359
Speaker 1: it would implode, which it did. We broke up as

1093
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 1: a band and we wanted pretty much nothing to do

1094
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: with each other for a while. And when we decided

1095
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 1: to get back together as a band, there was a

1096
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: lot of like, all right, we have a lot to

1097
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: work through, and we did. But once we stepped back

1098
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:09,439
Speaker 1: into this crazy world of what we do we made

1099
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,839
Speaker 1: sure that we try to take some time just for

1100
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 1: us as brothers, as a family, like go on trips together,

1101
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,800
Speaker 1: like let's that's men, not let's not talk about work.

1102
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,399
Speaker 1: And it's weird because work is also like what we love,

1103
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,399
Speaker 1: so music does come up. But there are moments where

1104
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 1: were like, let's just go ski together, Let's go play golf.

1105
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: I mean, golf, it's kind of our It's the one

1106
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 1: thing I guess we all can relate on. I'm not.

1107
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: I mean, we just went play golf and nickspert the

1108
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:38,439
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy can plays like thirty six holes

1109
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 1: in one day and then he's like, all right, cool,

1110
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna do that seven am tomorrow. I'm like, buddy,

1111
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:47,320
Speaker 1: I need a break. So we have hobbies outside of

1112
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 1: work that I think that's essential for us, and even

1113
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:55,879
Speaker 1: like with my parents and stuff like just hanging out.

1114
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: You know, let's just let's let's challenge each other without

1115
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: talking about business, because we're like in a business with

1116
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: our dad at times. We're in and out always like

1117
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 1: it always we can't help ourselves because we all love music,

1118
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 1: we all love what we do. We love supporting each other.

1119
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,439
Speaker 1: But it is nice to say, you know, what let's

1120
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: just not talk about. Let's just do something as a

1121
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: family or as friends, as brothers and keep that relationship

1122
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: healthy as much as we can. Yeah, Joe, You've been

1123
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 1: so generous with your time. When everyone who's listening and

1124
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: watching to know that it's currently Friday night and it's

1125
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 1: eight twenty four pm. Joe's had a busy day. Tomorrow

1126
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: you're performing at Global Citizen. It's me really exciting Global

1127
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:41,439
Speaker 1: Citizen at Central Park. I've never played the show, and yeah,

1128
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: I mean quite the flex. I mean, I mean, what

1129
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: a great cause. And I'm getting texts like you're playing

1130
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 1: Central Park tomorrow. I'm like, maybe, but I'm really excited

1131
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 1: to show the stage with some of these legendary acts.

1132
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 1: I can always say that I played a show with Metallica. Yeah.

1133
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 1: I never thought i'd be saying that. Yeah, it's awesome,

1134
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 1: but no, I'm so grateful for your time. Is there

1135
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 1: anything that I haven't asked you that you really wanted

1136
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 1: to share or something that was only a hot online

1137
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, I really wanted to talk about this,

1138
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 1: but I didn't. I feel like you did. We kind

1139
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 1: of tapped into it a little bit on like the

1140
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 1: Daily practices, But one thing I've recently done, I find

1141
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: I kind of stole from Greg over there, which has

1142
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 1: been helpful. Actually, I like recently deleted social media off

1143
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 1: my phone. Oh wow, it's been like and I'll still

1144
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: like download Instagram occasionally just to check in on messages

1145
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 1: because it's like literally a new email at this point.

1146
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 1: But I it's been nice because I just needed the break,

1147
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 1: and it's been really helpful to be present with my

1148
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 1: friends and family. And I know there's other ways of

1149
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 1: doing it. I'm not saying it's bad for you. I

1150
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 1: mean there's there's other ways of of like setting the

1151
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 1: alarms and timers, but for me to don't even have

1152
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 1: it on my phone, I'll tell you what. I'm just

1153
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 1: like so much more aware and the and goes to

1154
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 1: the full circle like being present with my friends. I'm

1155
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 1: just like way more like in it, which has been

1156
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: really nice. I love that, and that's and that's hard.

1157
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: But the only thing I miss is like a couple

1158
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: of funny memes my friends will send me. Other than that,

1159
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm pretty like aware, which is nice. Yeah, yeah,

1160
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: I mean, and I've been loving all the spontaneous tiktoks oh, yeah,

1161
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. Yeah, I can't. I'll get back

1162
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 1: on there eventually. UM. I love that I can showcase

1163
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 1: that person my wacky personality. Like I got more people

1164
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 1: coming up to me on the street these days thaying

1165
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: I like your TikTok than your music, And I'm like,

1166
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 1: all right. I was doing an interview the other day

1167
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 1: and I'm set outside having coffee and as young lady

1168
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 1: came up and just like excuse me, and I was like,

1169
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 1: this is perfect timing. I'm about to do an interview.

1170
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 1: And she's like, I love your TikTok. Not unexpected, but

1171
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. I appreciate it. And then I was like,

1172
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 1: I guess I should ask about your TikTok. That's awesome.

1173
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: I love that. Man. No, and I'm glad you shared that.

1174
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 1: I think it's so important to take these breaks to disconnect,

1175
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: to be present. But we end every interview with the

1176
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:57,479
Speaker 1: final five, and these are fast five, so one word

1177
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 1: to one sentence maximum. So you've got to be on

1178
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 1: your toes, which you're very good at. So here are

1179
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: your final five, Joe Journas. The first question is what

1180
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 1: is the best advice you've ever received? There's a lot.

1181
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I think this has been essential for growing up.

1182
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 1: Our dad always said, live like you're at the bottom bottom,

1183
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 1: even if you're at the top, not saying it, but

1184
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 1: the top. And I never was. But I think I've

1185
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 1: gotten a place where I could be feeling myself and

1186
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 1: that's been that brought. That's a great people back to

1187
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 1: humble beginning conversation. That's a great piece of advice. All right,

1188
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 1: we never had that on the show. I love it.

1189
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 1: Question number two, what's the worst advice you've ever heard?

1190
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 1: This isn't going to hurt? And then I got my

1191
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 1: first tattoo. That's true. Yeah, that was bad advice. I

1192
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 1: like that, all right. Question number three, what's something you

1193
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 1: used to value that you don't value anymore? And maybe

1194
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 1: it's just for the time being, but social media. I

1195
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 1: mean I'd taken this break. I realized it's really needed

1196
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 1: for my life, taking a little time off and just

1197
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 1: nice to be aware in present. And so I thought

1198
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 1: that was like forty minutes of my day in the day,

1199
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 1: just scrolling myself to be, you know, to bed being

1200
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 1: like now I'm dreaming about goats laughing on a mountain.

1201
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 1: Why U great dream? But you know, it's like I

1202
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 1: can just go to bed, Yeah, it's huge. That's a

1203
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 1: huge one, or wake up and not feel like anxiety

1204
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 1: from seeing some craziness. It's just nice to be like

1205
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 1: present and aware or being like jealous. You're not somewhere

1206
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 1: in the world with these people that you sometimes see.

1207
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 1: You're like, Okay, I'm with myself or my friends, people

1208
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 1: that I love. It's quite nice. That's a beautiful, beautiful description.

1209
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 1: All right. Question number four is how would you define

1210
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 1: your current purpose. I think to just be open to

1211
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 1: learning and growing. I think I realize that what I

1212
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:52,479
Speaker 1: do is really incredible because I can make people feel

1213
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 1: a certain way and conduct a crowd in a sense.

1214
01:01:56,520 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 1: And I'm one of many but you that get that opportunity,

1215
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 1: and I know how how great of an opportunity that is.

1216
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 1: And so yeah, I think my purpose is to make

1217
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:14,439
Speaker 1: people feel Yeah, hopefully good. Definitely more emotional at times

1218
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 1: for the song. Definitely good, definitely good. Fifteen final question,

1219
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 1: if you could create one law that everyone in the

1220
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 1: world had to follow, what would it be, be nicer

1221
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:26,320
Speaker 1: to everyone, be nice for people. Yeah, we definitely need that.

1222
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 1: Let me do we definitely need that. Yeah, you're the many.

1223
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for doing this. Thank you so grateful. No,

1224
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:35,439
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful you did this. I know we could

1225
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 1: go on for I know we can do it for

1226
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 1: hours a lot. This is one of ten, this is

1227
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 1: this is the first time. This is the first one

1228
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 1: you have come on any time one. Yeah, I would

1229
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 1: love to. Yeah, You're got to come on an it

1230
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 1: and I'm so great for you came one. I wanted

1231
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 1: to document this chapter of our journey together too, so

1232
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 1: that every time we can do it and look back

1233
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 1: and yeah, I watched a little screening remember when, Yeah,

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01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 1: why was I wearing that? Yeah, maybe I'll no, yeah,

1235
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 1: but I love that. Thank you man, Thank thank you

1236
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 1: so much everyone who's been listening and watching back at home.

1237
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed this episode. I think there were

1238
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:11,440
Speaker 1: so many great insights, exercises, tips from Joe. I want

1239
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 1: to make sure that you Joe's not on social media,

1240
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 1: but you can tag him anyway so that he knows when.

1241
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 1: But please tag Joe and I on TikTok, on Instagram,

1242
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:22,920
Speaker 1: on Twitter, whatever you're using, so that we can see

1243
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 1: what you learned, what you took away, what you're practicing.

1244
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 1: I hope that you're going to put some of these

1245
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 1: great insights and tips into practice for yourself. And I

1246
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 1: hope you got to know Joe a little more deeply

1247
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 1: and a little more through my lens and through my

1248
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 1: eyes in the way that I've got to know him.

1249
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 1: So thank you so much for listening and watching. I

1250
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 1: hope you shared this with a ton of friends, and

1251
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 1: a big thank you to Joe, and a big thank

1252
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 1: you to each and every one of you.