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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to George nor with Foster for Jerio FoST.

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Speaker 2: What is your definition of aggression?

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Speaker 3: Well, aggression, you know, takes a lot of forms, George,

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Speaker 3: but you know, basically, it's it's when your emotions take

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Speaker 3: over your body physically. Now you're reacting, and then it's

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Speaker 3: an outward expression, either on an inanimate object and often

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Speaker 3: on another person.

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Speaker 2: You can be aggressive and not anger, though, can't you?

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Speaker 3: You can. Sometimes aggression is something that you know, you

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Speaker 3: can actually be positive. It's more of an assertiveness. You know,

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Speaker 3: you channel it into something that's positive. But for some people,

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Speaker 3: aggression is an external act that is directed to hurt

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Speaker 3: someone else.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you could be aggressive in business, you could

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Speaker 2: go for it and you could be very successful that way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's what that's what I call assertiveness. You know,

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Speaker 3: it's really taking all you know, your intellect and your

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Speaker 3: emotions and putting them in a positive direction.

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Speaker 2: In the moment, we're going to show you, folks, how

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Speaker 2: you can reduce your anger on a regular basis. What

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Speaker 2: about the sections men, women.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it's just a different expression really Georgia. You know,

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Speaker 3: you take that back to hormonal kinds of things. The

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Speaker 3: testosterone is something that is aggressive. It's the kind of

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Speaker 3: thing that you know, often triggers at least helps in

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Speaker 3: the delivery of anger from men, whereas women, their hormones

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Speaker 3: are a little different. They will experience changes more often

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Speaker 3: than men, but they don't have that quick thrust as

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Speaker 3: often as a man had. So, you know, we often

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Speaker 3: come kind of come up to the conclusion where we say,

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Speaker 3: you know, well, men are more angry than women. That's

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Speaker 3: not necessarily true, it's just displayed differently.

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Speaker 2: I saw a clip of comedian Jim Carrey when it

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Speaker 2: was first on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson, and

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Speaker 2: he was funny, And then I read his bio and

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Speaker 2: it says that he has had a lifetime lifetom of depression.

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Speaker 2: He's been taking medication. They claims that he's off it now.

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Speaker 2: But what makes somebody depressed? That's different from anger, right

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Speaker 2: it is?

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Speaker 3: You know, although you can the anger can be an

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Speaker 3: outgrowth of depression. But you know, when when people come

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Speaker 3: to see me, the first thing I'm going to do

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Speaker 3: is go physical with him and say, okay, let's get

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Speaker 3: you to a doctor. Let's find out if we've got

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Speaker 3: any harmonal things going on, or thyroid or high blood pressure,

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Speaker 3: and we're going to try to see if we can

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Speaker 3: where those narrow transmitters are, those of those chemicals that

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Speaker 3: stimulate the brain, and when they're not doing their job

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Speaker 3: the way we'd like him to, then we talk about

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Speaker 3: something called clinical depression, which is simply your brain not

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Speaker 3: being able to perform its daily functions. Then you can

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Speaker 3: go you know into you know, a panic mode in

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Speaker 3: lots of anxiety, or you can go into a whole depressed,

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Speaker 3: if kind of a thing where you have just a

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Speaker 3: difficult time motivating yourself to do anything.

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Speaker 2: Robin Williams killed himself with depression.

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Speaker 3: Correct, Yes, is what the type of depression?

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Speaker 2: Yes, Louise disease?

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Speaker 3: Yes, what is that? Well, it's again it's it's a

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Speaker 3: very severe kind of depression, uh, you know, and and

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Speaker 3: it's that one is just so hard to get out of.

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Speaker 3: And in his case, you know, he felt that it

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Speaker 3: wasn't going to get better and it tended to be

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Speaker 3: a debilitating kind of the thing. So he just said,

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Speaker 3: you know, enough is enough?

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Speaker 2: Is there something wrong with the brain?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's people will always look at the brain. But

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Speaker 3: the brain and the body are so syncd up. I mean,

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Speaker 3: you know, you can't have one working well without the other. Uh. So,

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Speaker 3: you know when you talk about depression or you talk

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Speaker 3: about anxiety, George, whatever you're dealing with, it's always a

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Speaker 3: mind body connection that you're dealing with.

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Speaker 2: Is there such thing as anger management?

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Speaker 3: Sure, that's what we were saying before. Absolutely, you know

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Speaker 3: that's you know, but a person has to want to

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Speaker 3: do this. A lot of a lot of people, particularly men,

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Speaker 3: will get to the point where they're going to lose

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Speaker 3: everything and they say, well, I've got to go take

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Speaker 3: care of this anger so I don't lose anything. Not

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Speaker 3: it's really not the right reason to get there. If

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Speaker 3: you if you admit that you're anger, you know that

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Speaker 3: this is happening, it's affecting your life, and you'll want

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Speaker 3: to do something about it. There's there's so many counseling

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Speaker 3: programs that work, some summer individuals, summer group. Uh. You know,

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Speaker 3: there's medication involved at times if necessary, We'll talk about

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Speaker 3: dietary change. There's all different kinds of things, and that's

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Speaker 3: how we're going to manage anger on the physical, emotional,

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Speaker 2: Are there different types of anger?

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Speaker 3: There are many kinds of anger, you know, people when

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Speaker 3: we talk about anger, we talk about what we typically

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Speaker 3: see is what we call rapid anger. You know, it

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Speaker 3: comes out and it's screens at you. But there's anger

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Speaker 3: that's born out of fear of frustration. There's pain based anger. Uh,

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Speaker 3: there's reactive anger where we're reacting to something. Uh. There's

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Speaker 3: one of my favorites that you know, so to speak,

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Speaker 3: is righteous anger, where we really believe that we can

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Speaker 3: use anger to positively change the world. You know, those

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Speaker 3: kinds of things, volatile anger, anger for control of other people.

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Speaker 3: There's all different kinds of anger. So when we go

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Speaker 3: into anger management or into treatment, we're gonna we're gonna

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Speaker 3: want to define what type of anger a person's using.

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Speaker 3: And there can be several.

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Speaker 2: What causes somebody to get so angry so quickly?

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Speaker 3: Well, that's often we're a physical thing, you know. Uh again,

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Speaker 3: you know, the the the mind. What happens in anger

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Speaker 3: situation or is the mind gets the gets the stimulation. First,

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Speaker 3: you know, it comes on and you realize something happened,

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Speaker 3: you don't like it, But then the body kicks in

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Speaker 3: and when that body kicks in. You know, for some people,

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Speaker 3: you know, they see red and they see red fast

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Speaker 3: and they're not and they just cannot turn it off.

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Speaker 3: That's that rapid anger I'm talking about.

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Speaker 2: You have five tips thoughts on how to reduce anger

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Speaker 2: on a regular basis, So let's go through those.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's let's you know, well again, when we talk

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Speaker 3: about anger, I always say to people who were talking

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Speaker 3: about those three things that physical, emotional, intellectual. The first

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Speaker 3: thing when it comes to anger, if you really want

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Speaker 3: to reduce that, make an appointment with your primary care physician.

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Speaker 3: Try to determine if there's any physical problems.

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Speaker 2: What do you tell them?

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Speaker 3: What do I tell the people that when I'm.

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Speaker 2: The what do you tell your doctor when you go

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Speaker 3: When you go to me? Say you might say my

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Speaker 3: whatever it may be in your life, and I just

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Speaker 3: want to make sure that there's nothing physical that's causing this.

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Speaker 3: they'll they'll you know, they'll you start there, because it's

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Speaker 3: really it's almost abusive on a therapeutic end. If we're

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Speaker 3: we may be working with all these emotional and mental

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Speaker 2: Somebody gets laid off from work. Is that normal to

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Speaker 2: get angry about that?

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Speaker 1: Sure?

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Speaker 3: Sure that that's such a that can be such a

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Speaker 3: life changing event. You know, and people may get angry first.

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Speaker 3: But what we want to do is be able to,

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Speaker 3: this has happened in my life, it hurts, I'm scared,

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Speaker 3: i'm angry, whatever, But now I got to I got

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Speaker 3: something or this is going to get a whole lot worse.

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Speaker 2: How many different kinds of anger are there?

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, here I have a in my book,

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Speaker 3: I've got about fifteen. But you know, if you're break

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Speaker 3: it down and get into some of the more obscure ones.

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Speaker 3: You can probably get twenty or twenty five kinds of anger.

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Speaker 3: I've put the important ones in, you know, and you

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Speaker 3: know when you hear that, you know, just when the

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Speaker 3: diagnosing which one it is or which two or three,

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Speaker 3: because you know, you may have rapid anger, and it

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Speaker 3: may be something that you know, you that comes from

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Speaker 3: can see where all that's coming from. And what sounds

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Speaker 3: really just what's happening on the person's timeline. And when

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Speaker 2: What is your retaliatory anger?

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Speaker 3: That's when you want to you know, someone does something

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Speaker 3: then you conjure up something in your mind and.

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Speaker 2: Then you deliver passive aggressive anger.

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Speaker 3: Passive aggressive anger is that sneaky one. That's the one

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Speaker 3: where uh, again, someone does something to you and instead

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Speaker 3: going to do something and they won't. They'll give them

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Speaker 3: admitting that you are based you know, Uh, I always

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Speaker 3: tell people most anger comes from fear and insecurity of

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Speaker 3: we don't know how to how to deal with that pain.

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Speaker 3: You know, pain is one of those things where, if

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Speaker 3: it's robbing, and you don't want anyone near you. You know,

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Speaker 3: someone says something and you're going to react. You're already

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Speaker 2: On how to reduce anger. What about settling past issues

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Speaker 2: Focus on your internal language, that's a big one.

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Speaker 3: What we find is, you know, you think about it,

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Speaker 2: How important is it to get help for your anger?

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Speaker 3: Well, that's the most important thing for a lot of people.

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Speaker 3: You know, they can't get through this on their own.

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Speaker 3: Some people can go into accounting situation or just have

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Speaker 3: and you have to make a decision about how long

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Speaker 2: Some people have short fuses.

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Speaker 3: Come Well, again, that could be physical. Uh uh, you

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Speaker 3: you know, people are getting yelled at and hitting, all

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Speaker 3: those sorts of things. You learn that, so you know,

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Speaker 3: it's always a combination, George, of fiscally what you're dealing with, environmentally,

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Speaker 3: what you solve, the way you think, and how that

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Speaker 3: going to feed your emotions or your intellect, it's all

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Speaker 2: Is it better to let your anger out rather than

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Speaker 3: Well? Yeah, eventually, you're gonna you're gonna let it out anyway,

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Speaker 3: if you're going to try to hold on to it,

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Speaker 3: Eventually it's coming out one way or another. It's just

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Speaker 3: if you want to let it out at someone, well,

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Speaker 3: you become that person who is doing that. So then

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Speaker 3: that kind of defines you. If you're going to let

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Speaker 3: ways to do that. I always tell people, let's make

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Speaker 3: a list of positive things you can do to vent

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Speaker 2: How do you feel about meds?

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Speaker 3: With me and meds, it's always a last ditch effort.

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Speaker 3: I mean when nothing else works, you know that's the case.

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Speaker 3: Or they go to the doctor and he says, well, gee,

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Speaker 3: you have this thyroid issue. Well we're gonna put meds

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Speaker 3: We just come to depend on that stuff because it's

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Speaker 2: How did you get involved in all of this fust.

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Speaker 3: You know, I was that kid growing up or whatever.

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Speaker 3: You know, It's just it was me and from the beginning,

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Speaker 3: had that knack for figuring out solutions with him. So

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Speaker 2: Are babies generally born happy or depressed?

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Speaker 3: Generally happy? I mean, you know, we don't see signs

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Speaker 3: that early age. And then you know, it's it's kind

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Speaker 2: But how much of it is family based?

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Speaker 3: A lot of it can be, you know, you're it's

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Speaker 3: that genetics and environment and you put the two together. Uh,

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Speaker 3: you know, sometimes you know, we can have people brought

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Speaker 3: up in abusive homes and they and they grow up

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Speaker 3: to be very nice, very sensitive people. On the other hand,

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Speaker 3: we the same family can produce someone that's so angry

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Speaker 3: and gets into all different kinds of other things when

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Speaker 3: they get older. It's a combination between your genetics and

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