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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number three

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Speaker 1: eight two and todate. I am joined by New York

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Speaker 1: Times best selling author Ryan Holliday to discuss the mental

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Speaker 1: side of hunting in a series of time tested philosophies

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Speaker 1: and principles that can help us improve. All right, welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Wired Hunt Podcast, brought to you by on

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Speaker 1: X Today. We have got a very unique episode for you.

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Speaker 1: For one, we've never had a New York Times best

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Speaker 1: selling author on the show before, and uh, I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure any deer hunting podcasts ever has before, So check

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Speaker 1: that one off the list, I guess um put more wortantly.

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Speaker 1: Number two, we've never had an episode one dedicated to

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Speaker 1: the part of deer hunting and hunting in general that

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Speaker 1: goes on just between the ears, that mental side of things,

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Speaker 1: of course, understanding dear biology and behavior, how to read maps,

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Speaker 1: and how to shoot a bow, and how to play

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Speaker 1: the way, and how does set up good rust stands.

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Speaker 1: All that stuff matters, and it's obviously a huge part

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Speaker 1: of the equation for hunting success. But there's this whole

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Speaker 1: other side of the game that influences everything, and that's

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Speaker 1: what's going on in your head. How do you make decisions,

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Speaker 1: how do you learn from your mistakes, how do you

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Speaker 1: learn from success? How do you deal with challenges? How

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Speaker 1: do you handle failure? How do you deal with all

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Speaker 1: these things? How we deal with all these things, and

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Speaker 1: and much more. It all depends on the tools we

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Speaker 1: have at our disposal and our mental fitness, And just

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Speaker 1: like physical fitness, you know, this is something that can

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Speaker 1: be improved or strengthened with some proactive work. And so

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Speaker 1: that's what today's show was all about. Now, admittedly, this

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Speaker 1: episode is very different than usual. Um humor me here, guys,

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Speaker 1: play along for a minute, listen with an open mind,

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Speaker 1: and I'm betting you're gonna find some ideas that are

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Speaker 1: gonna help you this season, maybe just as much or

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Speaker 1: or more than any rut tactics or scouting ideas we've

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Speaker 1: covered in previous conversations. So Ryan Holliday, our guest, He's

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Speaker 1: written this series of books that explores how to improve

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Speaker 1: our mental fitness and our day to day lives and

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Speaker 1: how we handle adversity and how we accomplish our goals

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Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff by way of studying

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Speaker 1: the philosophies and principles of a group of ancient thinkers, writers,

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Speaker 1: and teachers, and these people come to known as these Stoics.

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Speaker 1: These books include The Obstacles, the Way, Ego is the Enemy,

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Speaker 1: Stillness is the Key, and most recently, Lives of the Stoics. Now,

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Speaker 1: these folks, the Stoics, way back in the heyday of

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Speaker 1: people spent a lot of time thinking about some of

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Speaker 1: and they wrote it down, and it's been passed down.

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Speaker 1: These words have been passed down through the ages and

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Speaker 1: time and time again. People working on important things or

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Speaker 1: during important times have turned to these old words of wisdom.

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Speaker 1: You know, whether it be George Washington or Winston Churchill

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Speaker 1: they're helping people. Ryan's books about these foundational ideas they

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Speaker 1: sold millions of copies, and they become kind of a

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Speaker 1: professional sports world. Interestingly, Sports Illustrated called one of his

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Speaker 1: books the book That's taken the NFL by storm. So

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Speaker 1: professional athletes like Chris Bosh and Manage Nobly, from the

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Speaker 1: NBA and C. G. McCullum to uh Lance Lance Armstrong

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Speaker 1: All this is to say that a lot of people

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Speaker 1: why couldn't we two that. That's it. That's my pitch.

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Speaker 1: I know some of you might be hearing words like

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Speaker 1: be thinking, no, this, this is not for me. I

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Speaker 1: probably going to hear some things today that you will

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Speaker 1: recognize because I've brought them up in past episodes. And

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Speaker 1: I never said that, oh, this is an idea I

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Speaker 1: and that's because it helps me and I think it

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Speaker 1: That's a long window way of saying. This one is

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Speaker 1: different but interesting give it a listen, think about it.

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Speaker 1: If the stuff is intriguing, I highly recommend his books,

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Speaker 1: in particular The Obstacles the Way. Um. Basically, the books

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Speaker 1: go through and they take this kind of old timing wisdom,

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Speaker 1: Really good stuff. So there it is. Tune in, enjoy,

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Speaker 1: let's get after it all right Here with me on

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Speaker 1: the line is Ryan Holiday. Ryan, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for making the time to do this. Yeah, it's good too,

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Speaker 1: So I want to get into how these philosophies and

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Speaker 1: is a way of of living life and making decisions

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Speaker 1: I continually find myself coming back and saying, Oh, this

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Speaker 1: up the mountain, but a S S E N T.

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Speaker 1: Or it's another way of the word acceptance. And so

430
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Speaker 1: the discipline of ascent for the Stoics was the discipline

431
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Speaker 1: of accepting and enduring and persevering through um. And I

432
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,919
Speaker 1: think that's kind of an underrated quality today. You know,

433
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 1: you have a lot of people who have opinions about reality,

434
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 1: and then because reality doesn't match their opinions, they been

435
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,679
Speaker 1: they spend a lot of time arguing with or against

436
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 1: or indicting reality. Instead of saying, Okay, I don't control

437
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,959
Speaker 1: what's happened, but I control how I respond to what's happening.

438
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 1: That's been what I've tried to take, for instance, in

439
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 1: this pandemic is like, it is what it is, But

440
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Speaker 1: what I do with this time, What I do with

441
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Speaker 1: this unusual, you know, moment of my life that is

442
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 1: up to me, and I can choose to use it

443
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: well and productively and and happily. So so let's say

444
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Speaker 1: something that's happened, Like let's say the scenario if if

445
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Speaker 1: the one I just brought up is what we're in

446
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: focus on here, Let's say you've some of these people

447
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 1: listening right now, or myself. I've been in this these

448
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 1: shoes before. We've worked all springing summer to practice with

449
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: our ba is. We've cultivated the land, We've scouted public land.

450
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: We've been out there for days and days and weeks.

451
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: We've saved up our money. Now we're going for a

452
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 1: ten day trip out of state. We've sunk all of

453
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Speaker 1: our vacation time into this. This is what we've looked

454
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Speaker 1: forward to all year. We've been away from our family

455
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Speaker 1: to prepare for it, and so they're sacrificing for us

456
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: to A lot is built up into this. We get

457
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Speaker 1: out there and we missed the deer. The thing we've

458
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: been working towards the mountaintop, we've been climbing towards. Now

459
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Speaker 1: we've we've failed in that way. And I think the

460
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Speaker 1: first the first place I go after something like that

461
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Speaker 1: is what we just discussed. Okay, that happened. Now what

462
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: I can't control the past, only the future. But how

463
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Speaker 1: how would how a stoic or any one of these

464
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Speaker 1: people you've been studying, how would they deal with the

465
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Speaker 1: next step, which learning from that failure or or moving on.

466
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Speaker 1: I read somewhere, and I think in your most recent

467
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Speaker 1: book or one of them, about a live time versus

468
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Speaker 1: dead time, which I thought was an interesting concept relevant

469
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Speaker 1: to this um. But but what would you what would

470
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Speaker 1: you share when it comes to those next steps after

471
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Speaker 1: the miss. So I've got a bunch of thoughts on

472
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Speaker 1: a lifetime deadtime. I think one of the things that

473
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Speaker 1: I would point about point out about that situation that

474
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Speaker 1: you just mentioned is that part of the disappointment is

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Speaker 1: rooted in a fundamental misunderstanding both of hunting and of life. Right, Like,

476
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Speaker 1: the purpose of hunting is not to get the deer,

477
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 1: it's to go hunting right. And so you were successful

478
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Speaker 1: and that you did all of those things right, and

479
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Speaker 1: all of that was in your control. But fundamentally, you know,

480
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Speaker 1: does the bullet or the arrow land where it's supposed

481
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Speaker 1: to land? You know, does the does the deer get

482
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Speaker 1: away to some freak you know, incident interrupt what was

483
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Speaker 1: otherwise a perfectly planned moment that's not inner control. And

484
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Speaker 1: so I think one of the things that stoics want

485
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Speaker 1: to do is re to find what success is. So like,

486
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: even this book, right, the book came out and uh

487
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 1: it debuted, it at number one on the best seller list,

488
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Speaker 1: Does that mean it was a successful, fruitful book? I

489
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: mean sure in one sense if if all you care

490
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: about our external results, But what if what if it

491
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: had hit number one. But I knew that actually I'd

492
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:28,479
Speaker 1: phoned the book in, or that it was riddled with inaccuracies,

493
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: or that you know, I actually was only doing it

494
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Speaker 1: for financial reasons. Like I don't think I don't think

495
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 1: that would be I don't think many people would go, oh,

496
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 1: that was a huge success, you know what I mean.

497
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 1: I certainly wouldn't. I wouldn't say like, oh, this thing

498
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Speaker 1: was a huge success because the external results were what

499
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: they were. You know that the success was I wrote

500
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 1: the best possible book that I was capable of writing.

501
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: I poured my are and sole into it. I did

502
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Speaker 1: what I wanted to do, and I, for the most

503
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: part where it was possible, enjoyed that process, right, Like,

504
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 1: that's what made it a success. That the arrow hit

505
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 1: the bull's eye is is a bonus on top of it, right,

506
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Speaker 1: And and I remember in the Ranchman book there's a

507
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: similar moment where he's like, you can Roosevelt saying, you

508
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: can easily miss that the purpose of hunting was to

509
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 1: be outside, was to be out nate, out in nature.

510
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: Was to challenge yourself, was to get active. It's getting

511
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,479
Speaker 1: the moose is the extra. So I think if we

512
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Speaker 1: start by defining there. It allows us to always be

513
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Speaker 1: happy with what happened. You mentioned a lifetime deadtime. I

514
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: think the pandemic is a great example of that. How

515
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: do you use the time apporticularly when you know you're

516
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: sitting away? So like a great example, Let's say you

517
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: know you're sitting in the blind in the morning, and

518
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Speaker 1: you make a mistake and you scare the deer for something,

519
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: and now, you know, should I have to sit here

520
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: now for twelve plus hours until it gets dark again

521
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: and there's a chance that they come back. You know,

522
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: you're now faced with twelve hours? How are you going

523
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: to spend those twelve hours? Is that gonna be twelve

524
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: hours you spent moping? Is that going to be twelve

525
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: hours you spend drinking? Uh? You know, is that going

526
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Speaker 1: to be twelve hours you spend glue to your phone?

527
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: Or is that going to be twelve hours that you

528
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: spend reading, enjoying nature, learning from your mistakes, you know,

529
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: drinking in the moment that you're in, um, you know,

530
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: connecting with your son or your brother or your wife

531
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: or whoever is with you. Um. You know, these are

532
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: all choices that we have to productively use our time.

533
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: As opposed to throwing up our hands and writing off time. Yeah,

534
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: that's a that's a great point. Do do you find

535
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: any examples in history of different ways that we can't

536
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: examine a failure or examine a mistake ache Um. Again,

537
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: it comes down to something you brought up, which is

538
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: this differentiation between being results focused versus process focused. And

539
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: I've been doing a lot of studying, studying of decision making,

540
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: and in poker, there's this idea of resulting where a

541
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Speaker 1: cognitive bias of sorts that often times we will judge

542
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: ourselves or judge our decisions based off of just the result.

543
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: But there's so many as we've been talking about, there's

544
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: so many things that can be outside of our control.

545
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: Sometimes we might get the result we want, but it

546
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: was actually pure luck. Or on the flip side, we

547
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: could do everything right and get a result we don't want.

548
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: And if we look at that and judge ourselves as

549
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: as if we had made a mistake, we're actually missing

550
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: out in the fact that we did have everything right

551
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: and it was a fluke. Is there anything you can

552
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: pull back or or point to that might help us

553
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: better understand how to do that, how to really accurately

554
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: assess our our performance or our decisions, because that's that's

555
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: a huge part of hunting, is being able to look

556
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: at Okay, I did this because of this, this and this,

557
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: and it didn't work out. What can I learn from that?

558
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: How do I do things differently next time, or or

559
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: not differently. I had a shock Is Smart on my

560
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: podcast a couple of months ago. He's the head basketball

561
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: coach in the Texas and he was saying one of

562
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: the things he's taken from stoicism and I in turn

563
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: taking it back from him, is he goes like, as

564
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: a coach, I can't get I don't get mad at

565
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: my players for missing a shot. I will because they

566
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: don't control that. I only get upset or happy if

567
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: it was a good shot to take. So if they

568
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: take an open three and miss it, um, he's not

569
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: going to get upset because you know, even the best

570
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: three point shooter in the league is probably only going

571
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: to shoot you know or thereabouts right, So a certain

572
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: number of times they're just gonna miss. That's just the

573
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: reality of it. So you can't get upset that they

574
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: missed the shot. Now, if they force a three pointer

575
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: because they abandoned the scheme they practiced for weeks and

576
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: weeks because they were, you know, being egotistical if they

577
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: if they missed the shot, because they forced it, and meanwhile,

578
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: a teammate was wide open and they neglected the opportunity

579
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: to pass them the ball. That's something he's gonna get

580
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: upset about. And he's gonna get upset about it even

581
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: if they make the shot, because again, the results don't

582
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: change whether it was a good decision or a bad decision.

583
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: I remember in the playoffs a couple of years ago, Uh,

584
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: Damian Lillard drained a shot in Chris Paul's face, like

585
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: way back from the three point line and and it

586
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: it it ended the series against Oklahoma, and you know,

587
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: Chris Paul was like a man, you know, that was

588
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: a one in a million shot. You know, I don't

589
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: feel bad about it. But the reality is Damian Lillard

590
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: like hits that shot like fort of the time, and

591
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: he knew that when he took the shot. And the

592
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: point was Chris Paul was rationalizing why you know, his

593
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: playoffs hopes were dashed, and Damian Lillard was confident when

594
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: he took that shot because he'd practiced that thousands of

595
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: times and he knew that there was at least, you know,

596
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: a non reckless chance that he could pull it off,

597
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: and that was his only option. So I think, really evaluate,

598
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: you know, it's like you take a shot at a

599
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: deer and then you know, uh, you know, you know,

600
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: after pulling the trigger, it reveals that there was you know,

601
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: a better deer just behind the tree and you didn't know.

602
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,719
Speaker 1: Now the question is is not like should you kick yourself,

603
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: it's you know, did you have any idea? And had

604
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: you been more patient, would that you know have revealed itself.

605
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: So I think it's looking at, you know, what's the

606
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: information that I had at the time, and did I

607
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: make the right decision with the information that I had

608
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: at the time. That's how I think his stoic would

609
00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: think about it. So it's really this is one of

610
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: those things that's easy to talk about and say, oh,

611
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: this is what you should do um, but in the

612
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: moment it's I think particularly difficult to be objective when

613
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: judging ourselves. I think this is something I honestly I

614
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: can't remember where I've heard about this or read about

615
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,439
Speaker 1: It's probably multiple places, but there's this idea that it's

616
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: when judging a situation or a decision. It's often easier

617
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: to pretend that you are judging a friend's decision or

618
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,919
Speaker 1: their problem, um, and then applying that and saying, Okay,

619
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,280
Speaker 1: if this is my friends problem or my friend's mistake,

620
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,720
Speaker 1: what should he do? It's it's some for some reason,

621
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,879
Speaker 1: easier for us to look at it objectively if it's

622
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: our friend or a family member, much easier than it

623
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 1: is to look at our own failings or process. Um.

624
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,720
Speaker 1: So so all has to say, all this is easier

625
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 1: said than done. Any recommendation or things we can look

626
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: to to help us with the actual act of this

627
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 1: reflecting on our process and decisions in an objective way.

628
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 1: I know, journaling something that some people have done, Marcus

629
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: really is for example, any other examples like that, or

630
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: actual steps we can take to become better at judging

631
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: ourselves in an objective way, to to get better down

632
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: the road. Well, look, I think it is all easier

633
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 1: said than done. But that's the point is that. I mean, look,

634
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: obviously you do this professionally, but for the vast majority

635
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 1: of us who are hobbyists, this is where we are

636
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,720
Speaker 1: practicing it. Right. What am I getting better at through

637
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: practicing it while hunting. Right. So, like we think about

638
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: I mentioned Churchill as a painter. Um, he'd spent his

639
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: whole life very ambitious, very unartistic, aside from his love

640
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: of the written word. When he gets introduced to painting,

641
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: it forces him to use all these different parts of

642
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: his brain. It forces him to be present, It forces

643
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: him to observe beauty. It forces him to be bad

644
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 1: at something and then get good at it. Right. Um.

645
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: It forces him to take instruction, It forces him to

646
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: see the world differently. So I think one of the

647
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 1: ways to think about this is just actually it's in

648
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: like like again, like you know, you're you're you're you're

649
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: sitting in the blind, or you're you're walking through the woods,

650
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: and then you hear the rustling and you get that,

651
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: you know, your heart just starts pumping, right. Um. This

652
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: is a you know, this is obviously a very primal

653
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: experience thing you have that like boxers and police officers

654
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 1: and soldiers have a lot of experience dealing with but

655
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: the rest of us is regular people don't have. I

656
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: think one of the reasons we are hunting is to

657
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: practice that. Okay, I'm experiencing this. How do I call

658
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: myself down. How do I not rush what I need

659
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: to do because it's demanding something of me that can't

660
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: be rushed. And so I often see hunting as as

661
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 1: precisely the kind of practicing ground, uh that that we're

662
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: talking about, that then better prepares you for the rest

663
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: of life too, right, Yeah, exactly. It's like it's like, Okay,

664
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 1: you're sitting there and you're you're literally choosing your shot right,

665
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: and you're having to calm yourself down, control your breathing,

666
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 1: not be rushed, not let the adrenaline lead you astray. Well, okay,

667
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: you know, flash forward two years later and you now

668
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 1: have two competing job offers from two firms, and they

669
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 1: tell you that they one of them needs an answer

670
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: by tonight and the other needs an answer by tomorrow.

671
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: You know, that is an analogous situation that if you

672
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,240
Speaker 1: are not familiar with making you know, sort of high stakes,

673
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:32,879
Speaker 1: you know, high pressure situation decisions, if you're not good

674
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: at you know, dealing with the rush of adrenaline, if

675
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: you know, making a slightly uninformed call, or you know what,

676
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: if you're not familiar with that, you're gonna bungle it.

677
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 1: And the and the cost of that is going to be,

678
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 1: you know, much higher than you know not coming home

679
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 1: with you know, a backpack full of meat. So what

680
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,720
Speaker 1: would the Stokes say to someone in that situation? Uh, Today,

681
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 1: someone who has faced without adrenaline, rush with that shot,

682
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 1: with the challenge of calming their nerves, refocusing, handling the

683
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: next few moments as as best as possible. I know

684
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,959
Speaker 1: you've written about some things related to this in your book.

685
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: Stillness is the key, Um, what what can we take

686
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: for that kind of situation? I mean, I think what

687
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: we're talking about in that situation is presence, right, It's

688
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: sort of calming the mind down. It's breathing in and out.

689
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: It's really focusing on what's in front of you, um,

690
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: and and and and focusing on what you're training has

691
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: prepared you to do it. Like when I look at

692
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: most of mine is like, let's say I'm fishing and

693
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 1: you get something on the line, It's it's when you

694
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: jerk the pullback or you run away too fast, right,

695
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: or it's when you excitedly, you know, excitedly shout I've

696
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: got something, and you you make everyone rushing. Look, that's

697
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: when you bungle it, right. And so so it's it's

698
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: the I think for the Stokes, it was it was

699
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,879
Speaker 1: realizing that it's often in rushing to do the thing

700
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: that we we get in our own way or rip

701
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: over ourselves. Is there any way you know of to

702
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: to recenter yourself in that moment and become present, Um,

703
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: any little tricks over the years you've learned that help

704
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: you attain that state of mind? I mean, weirdly, I

705
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: think that the Zen teachers are probably more explicit and

706
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: better about this than the stoics. Um. You know, like

707
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: Zen and the art of archery, it's sort of like

708
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: pulling back and then letting it fall from you, not

709
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: forcing it. You know. It's sort of the focus on

710
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: the breath is obviously, you know, sort of super important.

711
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: So as as I'm firing a show, I'm what I'm

712
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: I'm focusing on nothing but my aim and and the

713
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: and the breath that's coming in and out of me.

714
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: And I find that that sort of zeroes me in

715
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: and and it just immediately calms me down. And I

716
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: do always try to remind myself. It's it's like this

717
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: tricky thing right where it's like you're like, it's there

718
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: if I don't take this shot, I won't get another one.

719
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: And the reality is that may be true, right, there's

720
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 1: a chance said that's true. But you know, if you

721
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: shoot and miss, you will definitely not see anything again

722
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: because you will have scared them all off. So I

723
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,760
Speaker 1: think also just the balance of the sort of rational

724
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 1: mind against the emotional sort of fear of missing out

725
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: mind is kind of attention that you have to balance. Yeah, yeah,

726
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: you can never take a shot back, but you can

727
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: you can always have another shot if you hold on.

728
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: So but that that whole battle between the rational mind

729
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: and the emotional self is something that obviously impacts everything

730
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 1: in day to day life. But again, hunting is a great,

731
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: uh analog for that, where you have all these different

732
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 1: moments where things happen, and again looking at someone who's

733
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 1: putting so much time and effort and money and vacation

734
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 1: and and personal sacrifice to to get this trip or

735
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 1: this experience or whatever, and maybe what happened like we

736
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: described the missed or maybe they're just faced with a

737
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: tougher situation than they expected and everything's going wrong, and

738
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: you have this this mix of things um that seems

739
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: to again go to the biggest thing. The stoics seem

740
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: to offer us is how to remove yourself from that emotion.

741
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: Um if if if Seneca or Marcus Aurelius was on

742
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: attendee hunting trip and everything seemed to be going wrong,

743
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: and they're out there, and they're tired, and there's austin,

744
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: they're cold. Other than what we've described already, are there

745
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 1: any other things that they'd be sitting at the campfire

746
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: at night telling you or telling themselves to try to

747
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,439
Speaker 1: keep them going for the next four days of the hunt.

748
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: I mean, one thing I try to think about. You know,

749
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: economist talk about the idea of sunk costs and that, like,

750
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: so we have these biases, right, We're like, well, I

751
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: just spent all this time, all this money, and then

752
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: so that makes us even more result focused, right, because

753
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: we think that somehow we're owed a result, we're more important.

754
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: We think that, uh, the only way to get something,

755
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 1: to get paid back for the effort, is to get

756
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: the result. But the reality is the past is dead.

757
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: The money you've spent is already lost. Right, the time

758
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 1: you've spent has already been spent. No amount of future

759
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 1: spending can can make it worthwhile. You have to Again,

760
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: I think the Stokes are. The Stokes are trying not

761
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: to ever regret the past and then not also be

762
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: anxious about the future. And so where does that leave you?

763
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 1: It leaves you right here in the present moment, which

764
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: is a wonderful place to be, you know what I mean.

765
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 1: It's it's it's you outside in the trees with a friend,

766
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: with you know, by yourself, whatever it is you're You're

767
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 1: in a wonderful moment. So appreciate that as opposed to,

768
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 1: you know, stressing about all the all the what ifs,

769
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: or the could have ends or the uh you know,

770
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: how unfair this or that happens to be. Yeah, another

771
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: one of those things that is it's hard to do,

772
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: but when you do it, it is almost instantaneously recentering

773
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: if you can step outside of the situation and remember

774
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: why in the first place. Um, but that perspective is

775
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 1: really important, right, So it's like, okay, yeah, you did

776
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: you You got up at four am and you got

777
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: out there, and you you not only when you're not successful,

778
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: you didn't even see anything, right, It's perfectly reasonable, I

779
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:34,280
Speaker 1: think to have a tinge of disappointment or uh, regret

780
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 1: their right And and the Stokes are saying like you're

781
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: a human being. That's what That's what's going to happen, right,

782
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: that's the emotion you're gonna have. But like when now,

783
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: like I've been hunting in several months, uh, just as

784
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: I've been busy and and uh and and you know

785
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 1: I haven't been able to But I don't think back

786
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: to any of those experiences and regret them. I don't

787
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: even remember like what dates I was successful in which

788
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 1: dates I wasn't successful, you know what I mean? Like

789
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 1: it's all blurred together as as positive experiences. And so

790
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: one of the things I think a stoic once the

791
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: stoics want you to realize is like, well, if I'm

792
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: going to think about this positively in the future as

793
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: time goes by, why am I going to beat this

794
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 1: ship out of myself now? You know what I mean.

795
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,240
Speaker 1: It's like, it's like, think back to all the times

796
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,720
Speaker 1: you've broken up, all the times you've gotten bad news,

797
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,720
Speaker 1: all the times you've failed, all the times you've embarrassed yourself,

798
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: so and so forth. You you see them now is

799
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: having contributed positively to where you are in life? You're

800
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: not like, oh man, I wish I hadn't gotten dumped

801
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 1: by my high school girlfriend, like my whole life is

802
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: a disappointment because of that. You understand that if that

803
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: hadn't happened, you wouldn't be where you are now. So

804
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: the I think again the idea of the rational mind

805
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: against the emotional mind being able to go, oh okay, well,

806
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: here's logically how this is going be integrated into my

807
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,919
Speaker 1: life in the future. I'm gonna go ahead and give

808
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: myself the benefit of that feeling now because I deserve

809
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 1: it and I'm not going to be miserable if I

810
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: don't need to be. Yeah, that's a great point. Um,

811
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: Is there any I know that you have, you know,

812
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 1: certain sayings or quotes that are particularly impactful for you

813
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: and and for me, There've been there have been a

814
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 1: handful of things that continue just pop up where I

815
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 1: encounter a situation and this one line will be something

816
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 1: that will kind of center me back on to kind

817
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: of remove you from the emotional place and put you

818
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: back in the rational place. Is there anything that stands

819
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: out to you that would help you in a situation

820
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: like this where you had some kind of failure and

821
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: you're you're trying to do what you just described. Um,

822
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,919
Speaker 1: any one liner or any thing that folks listening can

823
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 1: can try to add to their lives so that next

824
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: time something goes really bad in the woods or something

825
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: isn't a planned, that this thing they can be like that. Okay,

826
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,439
Speaker 1: I'm back, And it's it's important that we don't think

827
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 1: of stoicism just as a philosophy for like insulating against failure,

828
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: because it cuts both ways. Right. So there's this great

829
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 1: quote from Market's relay. He says to accept it without

830
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: arrogance and to let it go with indifference, meaning you

831
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: accept the failure with indifference or you shrug it off.

832
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: But then you also have to accept the success with

833
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: a certain kind of indifference. Like as an example, so

834
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: I went, I went deer hunting on the Uh, I

835
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 1: guess it was. It was Thanksgiving the day before Thanksgiving whatever,

836
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: the day in Texas last year, um, the antlerless deer day.

837
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 1: And so I was in the deer blind of my property.

838
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,919
Speaker 1: Uh and uh, you know, a deer, a big sort

839
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 1: of like seven eight deer show up. And there was

840
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: one that was really dark, but I couldn't tell it

841
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: was still pretty dark. Uh. And there was one that

842
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: was really dark, and so I was like, oh, that's

843
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: the one I'm gonna aim at. And I shot that

844
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: one and it was a decent shot, sort of right

845
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 1: through the heart, and you decently proud of myself. I

846
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: didn't know. I'm again not being an expert like herself.

847
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: I didn't know that much about deer hunting. This is

848
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: maybe the second or third time i'd really ever gone.

849
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:11,879
Speaker 1: So I you know, we skinned the deer. We took

850
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: it to uh the tax Germans down the street. Um

851
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: forgetting that. I wish i'd know the name. I'd give

852
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: him a shout out. Oh, Ryan Reinholder, Ryan Lander Reinholder.

853
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: It's it's off A twelve right outside Austin. Anyway, I

854
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: took it there and you know, he sent it to

855
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: the tannery and then I called back, Uh, you know,

856
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,800
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, is this done? This is maybe in

857
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,760
Speaker 1: April and he said, oh, you mean the melanistic deer

858
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 1: And I was like what's that? And he's like, you

859
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 1: shot a melanistic deer and he was I was like,

860
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: what does that mean. He's like, look it up. So

861
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: I look it up and it's like I don't know,

862
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 1: like one in a million something some crazy number to

863
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 1: get basically a black white tail, and so all of

864
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 1: a sudden, this thing that was I just thought was like, hey,

865
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: I successfully got a deer. I did what I did

866
00:47:56,040 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: suddenly changed because the information that I was given change. So,

867
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,760
Speaker 1: you know, this could suddenly be like this proud story

868
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: that I tell everyone, and and I, you know, I

869
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: shave off the details and give myself more credit for

870
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: it than I But but it's like the point of

871
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 1: stoicism is that stuff just kind of is what it is,

872
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 1: and that like, you know, what what mattered is that

873
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: I did what I set out to do, that I

874
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: happened to get a one in a million bonus on

875
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: top of it. You know, you can't let that go

876
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: to your head. You can't let it really even change

877
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 1: your perception of whether that was a success or not.

878
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 1: Like it was a success because I went out, I

879
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: had fun. Uh, you know, I learned something from the experience,

880
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: We got the meat out of it, and then months later,

881
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: you know, you get the extra bonus of of sort

882
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: of knowing and now I have you know, I have

883
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 1: the skin on on my couch as a blanket and

884
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: it's cool. But again, I think the what the purpose

885
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,959
Speaker 1: of these aphorisms is is it's to protect you from

886
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: both extremes, like kicking yourself but then also patting yourself

887
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 1: on the back too hard. Yeah, avoiding the highs and

888
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 1: the lows and finding a center ground. Yeah. And like

889
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: you know, how many times, uh do you take a

890
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 1: shot and the result turns out to be great, But

891
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: if if you could somehow break it down on film,

892
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: it was actually that you got lucky rather than you

893
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,280
Speaker 1: were skilled. Yeah. Yeah, I think there's lots of examples

894
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 1: of that, whether it be a shot, or whether it

895
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: be that you sat somewhere and just by chance the

896
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 1: big giant buck comes walking by. But you really had

897
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: no idea that was going to happen, or you hadn't

898
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: planned it. Um. And like you said, it's really easy

899
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: afterwards to be you know, high falutin and take all

900
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: the credit and claim that you are this masterful hunter. Um.

901
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, to your point, what good does that do? Uh?

902
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: You're you're you're you're cheating yourself. You're lying to yourself

903
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 1: in a certain way, and I think it will make

904
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: you a worse hunter, right because now you've you've attributed

905
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: yourself to yourself a certain unearned confidence. So like let's

906
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 1: say you take a shot and you know it's the

907
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,919
Speaker 1: perfect shot, but you know, if you actually broke down

908
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: you recited your rifle, it's like, hey, actually you were

909
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: aiming like three inches this way and you got lucky.

910
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: You know, like, um, now you may take your your

911
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: next shot with a certain amount of uh, either you

912
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: rush it or you take it with a certain amount

913
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: of certainty that's frankly undeserved, and you're actually going to

914
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: be worse at it. And this is definitely true in

915
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: business right, or trading stocks right. You buy a stock low,

916
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 1: you sell it high. Now you think you're a genius,

917
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: and so the next time you have a random impulse,

918
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 1: you take a bigger bet on it than you should

919
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,479
Speaker 1: and lo and behold. It turns out you got lucky

920
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,720
Speaker 1: the time before, and this time you got unlucky, and

921
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: because you were overconfident, you bet too much, and now

922
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 1: you've wiped out your your your winnings. And then something, Yeah,

923
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: so what does we've talked about what the stoke would

924
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: do after failure? What would the stoke do after success

925
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 1: to ensure that what you described doesn't happen? Well, I

926
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: think it's first that that the extra and results don't

927
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 1: change anything about you or what happened. Um, you know,

928
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: I think I think one of the things I take

929
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 1: from hunting as exhilarating and challenging and rewarding as it

930
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: can be, just also like I've never once shot something

931
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: and I didn't also immediately feel not a pang of regret.

932
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:23,760
Speaker 1: But there's the life and deafness of us, right and

933
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: and there's I think a kind of a humility inherent

934
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: in that. And so I think I from what I

935
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: know of the Stokes who hunted, I've got to suspect

936
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: that feeling was something that they they they dwelled on

937
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: for a second, you know, like that they didn't just

938
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: rush through. Because it is meaningful and it does put

939
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: you in the right perspective. Yeah, Yeah, it's nothing more

940
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: serious than life and death, and and hunting has a

941
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 1: really profound way of reminding you at and and bringing

942
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 1: you back to to earth in that in that kind

943
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:08,760
Speaker 1: of way. Totally totally tell me, tell me a little

944
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: bit about what we can take from these philosophers when

945
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: it comes to perseverance, because that's so much of hunting

946
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: is just weathering the storm, going back out there for

947
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 1: another day. Leah, literally in some cases, or some days

948
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: it's okay, Can I go out for the twelve day

949
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: and a row be up at three thirty am? Again?

950
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: I told myself I was gonna do this. I did

951
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 1: everything to do this. Now can I actually execute on

952
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: this plant, put in place and and persevere day after

953
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: day after day after day. UM. Is there anything that

954
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 1: stands out to you, whether it be from from the

955
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:48,280
Speaker 1: ancient philosophers or the more modern UM practitioners. I suppose

956
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 1: that you've studied anything that stands out that we can

957
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 1: keep in mind when it comes to persevering through trying times.

958
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean for me, like, so I

959
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 1: I run or swim or bike every day. I started

960
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:04,240
Speaker 1: biking and swimming, you know, in the last few years.

961
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: But I've been a runner, uh, my whole life. And

962
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: so a lot of times when people here that you run,

963
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:13,760
Speaker 1: they go like, oh, are you training for a marathon?

964
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,720
Speaker 1: Or like, oh, do you do races or something? And

965
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: I always sort of laugh at this because to me,

966
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: the marathon is the lifelong pursuit of the sport or

967
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 1: the activity, right, So the marathon is not like, Oh,

968
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: on one Saturday, I'm gonna go run twenty six miles.

969
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: It's that I run and I do my exercise every day,

970
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: rain or shine, you know, tired or hungry, you know,

971
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 1: whatever it is, I I do it even if I

972
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: don't want to do it. And so I think that

973
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: you know your point about like the twelfth day in

974
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,320
Speaker 1: a row, it's just sort of realizing like, hey, that

975
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 1: this is the thing I'm doing for a lifetime. So

976
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: one one unpleasant day is not a you know, a

977
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: big deal in the midst of all of that, but

978
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 1: that it's it's actually it's the it's the the kind

979
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 1: of the putting in the hours, like seeing yourself as

980
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 1: like every time I'm doing doing this, I'm getting a

981
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 1: little stronger, getting a little more experience, I'm getting a

982
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 1: little wiser. And I think in the case of hunting,

983
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: it's also like I'm putting myself in a position to

984
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 1: get lucky, right, Like it's like if you do it,

985
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 1: you know, you hear someone You're like, oh, I've lived

986
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: in you know, uh, Montana for twenty six years and

987
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: I've seen one mountain lion or something. Right, It's like, oh,

988
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: these things are rare, and you gotta you gotta, you

989
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: gotta take a lot of shots before you, and literally

990
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: and figuratively before you. You know, you get that one

991
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,479
Speaker 1: in a million thing like that morning that I saw

992
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 1: the melanistic deer. That that only happened because I got

993
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: out of bed that morning. So I think realizing that's like, hey,

994
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: the longer you're in this, the greater your chances of

995
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 1: getting lucky. Is maybe one way I think about it. Yeah, yeah,

996
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 1: I was who who? Where was I? I was listening

997
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:07,280
Speaker 1: to something right along these lines. And and the simple

998
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 1: truth of it is that life is in certain ways,

999
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: and hunting in certain ways too. It's it's a game

1000
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 1: of chance, and you can certainly put things in your

1001
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 1: favor as much as possible, but eventually, when it comes

1002
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: down to it, you simply need to play the game

1003
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: enough and be out there enough for good luck to

1004
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 1: find you. And if you do it long enough, bad

1005
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: luck will find you too. But but good luck will

1006
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 1: eventually as well, and you simply need to be out

1007
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: there to take advantage of it. Um and and and

1008
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 1: there's something to be said that you can make all

1009
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,839
Speaker 1: the right decisions, you can do all the right things,

1010
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: you can have all the right gear and and work

1011
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: your tail off, but you do need to simply be

1012
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: out there, put in the work of the time, persevere

1013
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:53,879
Speaker 1: and and sometimes accept the gifts that that nature gives. Um. Yeah,

1014
00:55:53,920 --> 00:56:00,280
Speaker 1: that's that's the truth. Is there any final final thought

1015
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 1: that anything that stood out to you when you've talked

1016
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: to you, know, whether it be NFL teams or athletes

1017
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 1: or marathon runners. Are these folks that are pursuing excellence

1018
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 1: in some kind of pursuit like this? Is there anything

1019
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,919
Speaker 1: that has stood out to you as is this most

1020
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,879
Speaker 1: impactful concept of everything we've talked about or something else?

1021
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: I know for me that just the idea that the

1022
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,240
Speaker 1: obstacle is the way the title of one of your books,

1023
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 1: has been something that I always keep in mind that

1024
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 1: whenever I'm facing adversity, that's as always the obstacles the

1025
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 1: way this is a thing that I can I can

1026
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:34,839
Speaker 1: turn around into a positive. So that for me has

1027
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 1: been a foundational um reminder of sorts or concept. Is

1028
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:42,800
Speaker 1: there anything that you would leave our listeners with? I

1029
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 1: I absolutely love hearing Man, and I have that praise

1030
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:47,839
Speaker 1: tattooed on my arm for reason because I am trying

1031
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,399
Speaker 1: to remind myself of it. I have on my other arm.

1032
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 1: I have ego as the enemy, and then I have

1033
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: stillness is the key to sort of each book and

1034
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: the title, because I think those are sort of mantras

1035
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: I try to repeat to myself. I was just struck,

1036
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 1: and I think maybe your listeners might like us. But

1037
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: as I was researching the life of Marcus Surrealius, Marcus

1038
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 1: Surrealius is an incredible figure because he becomes the Emperor

1039
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 1: of Rome, but his father was not emperor. He was

1040
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 1: just as a relatively ordinary, uh, sort of upper class

1041
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 1: Roman who is selected for the throne by the Emperor Hadrian.

1042
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: Hadrian sees something and Marcus he adopts an older man

1043
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 1: in exchange for that man adopting Marcus, and that puts

1044
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 1: him in a position to become emperor. But one of

1045
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 1: the things that they bond over, Marcus and Hadrian is hunting. Uh.

1046
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: They went boar hunting, and I I just obviously part

1047
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: of this is speculation, but I just suspect that what

1048
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: he sees in this young kid, and they tended to

1049
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 1: hunt boars either on foot or on horseback in Rome

1050
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 1: with spears, and then there was usually nets involved, so

1051
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 1: they like they would have slaves follow them with nets,

1052
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: or they'd set up nets in the forest and they

1053
00:57:56,680 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 1: would sort of charge the boars at them, uh and

1054
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 1: and then maybe they'd get off and dispatch them on foot.

1055
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: But I just I just make up that that mark

1056
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: that that Hadrian begins to see in Marcus some of

1057
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 1: the virtues that are going to be necessary to be

1058
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 1: a great king in how he handles himself in the

1059
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 1: thrill in the chase of of a hunt. And so again,

1060
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 1: if we go back to this idea that what we're

1061
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: doing is training for the really essential things in life.

1062
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 1: That's not to say that hunting isn't essential. And if

1063
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: it's you know, maybe what you do for a living,

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00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 1: and it may be how you feed your family, uh,

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00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 1: you know again literally or or because that's what you

1066
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: do for a living. But again, choosing to see it

1067
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 1: and everything we do as a kind of metaphor as

1068
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: a as a as a chance to practice these virtues,

1069
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 1: to me is just really beneficial. There's that great saying

1070
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 1: how you do anything, that's how you do everything. You know,

1071
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 1: Hunting for me is just an opportunity to practice skills

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00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 1: that are important in the rest of my life. And

1073
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 1: so if we can see it that way, then then

1074
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 1: I think we're always going to have a successful trip,

1075
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 1: you know, regardless of what the external results happened to be. Yeah, well, Ryan,

1076
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: I know you've got a busy schedule. I don't want

1077
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: to keep you much longer. I appreciate everything you've shared

1078
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 1: through your books and podcasts and and all that. It

1079
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 1: certainly helped me a lot. Um. I'll certainly talk about

1080
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: this a little bit in my own conclusion, But is

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00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 1: there anything that you would like to say, specifically to

1082
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 1: those listening about your newest book that they should be

1083
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,919
Speaker 1: thinking about and thinking, uh when they're trying to stay

1084
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 1: if this is a good fit for them to pick

1085
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: up and give a reading. Yeah. Look, the premise of

1086
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 1: the new book is that philosophy is not about what

1087
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 1: one says, but it's about what what one does. So

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00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 1: I was really interested in who these philosophers were and

1089
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,439
Speaker 1: how did they live up to what they believe. So

1090
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 1: if someone's things like, look, I don't have time for

1091
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: these big philosophical ideas, I would say, like, I agree,

1092
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 1: and I totally relate to that. So I wanted to see,

1093
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:04,439
Speaker 1: like who these guys and and and gals were as

1094
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 1: human beings, because I, frankly I think we learn more

1095
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 1: from studying the lives of people and then we ever

1096
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 1: do from studying the words of those people. Yeah, lots

1097
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 1: to learn from the book. I really enjoyed it. I've

1098
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 1: enjoyed every one of them. Ryan, So I'm gonna let

1099
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 1: you move on to the next adventure of your day.

1100
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 1: I hope you do get out and do some honey

1101
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 1: this fall, and uh keep me posted. Yeah, thanks man,

1102
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 1: We'll have to do it in person soon. I'm looking

1103
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 1: forward to it. Yeah, let's make it happen. Ryan, Thank

1104
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 1: you so much for the time doing this. Alright, Peace

1105
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 1: up later. So there you go. For those of you

1106
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 1: who tuned into this one and listen to the end,

1107
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 1: thank you. I hope some of these things can be

1108
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 1: helpful to you. And I want to leave you with

1109
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 1: with two of the most important concepts that we discussed

1110
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 1: here and that I've kind of taken from some of

1111
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 1: these books and things that Ryan has has shared over

1112
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 1: the years that have been most applicable in the hunting

1113
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 1: world to me. Two concepts. I've brought these up in

1114
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 1: the past, most recently I talked about them in Ten

1115
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 1: Steps to Your Best Hunting Season Ever. But they they're

1116
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 1: just little reminders that I always need to keep in

1117
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 1: my head because time and time again, I find myself

1118
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 1: out there in the woods frustrated about something, or confused

1119
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 1: about something, or you know, struggling with something, and I

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01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 1: come back to this Number one, Control what you can,

1121
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 1: let go of what you can't. There's so many things

1122
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:28,440
Speaker 1: that happened out there in the woods that we can't

1123
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 1: ultimately control. But we can get all wrapped up about

1124
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 1: it and upset about it and frustrated by it, or

1125
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 1: we can choose to say, Okay, this thing happened, I

1126
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 1: can't change it now. I just have the decision about

1127
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 1: what to do next. This is a concept that we

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01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 1: talked about today that came from, you know, some of

1129
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 1: these ancient writings. This is one of those foundational principles

1130
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 1: they talked about time and time again, and man, it

1131
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 1: is it is just it comes. It hits home to

1132
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 1: me so many times in the tree. Number two, this

1133
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 1: idea that we talked about in the title of one

1134
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 1: of his books, that the obstacle is the way, which

1135
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 1: basically means that oftentimes the challenge, the bumping the road,

1136
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:15,440
Speaker 1: the adversity you're facing, that is oftentimes the catalyst. It

1137
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 1: is oftentimes the thing that leads to your success if

1138
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 1: you're willing to push through it. So when you miss

1139
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 1: that buck, or when you show up on public land

1140
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 1: and hunt five days straight and see zero deer because

1141
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 1: there's too many hunters, if you can push through that wall,

1142
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 1: if you can look at it as not this thing's

1143
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 1: going to bring you down, but instead an opportunity and

1144
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 1: you can grow from it. That's the way to get

1145
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 1: where you're trying to go, Not by avoiding the obstacle,

1146
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 1: not by seeing the obstacle and turn around and giving

1147
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 1: up and going home. It's by pushing right on through it.

1148
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 1: That's the way to get to where we want to go.

1149
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 1: So think about that this fall, think about that during

1150
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 1: the rud when the ships hitting the fan, the obstacles

1151
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 1: the way push through it. That's gonna get you where

1152
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 1: you want to get to. And that's all I got today.

1153
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 1: Thank you all, best of luck out there hunting, and

1154
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 1: until next time, stay wired to hum