1 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the short stuff. I'm Josh, and 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: there's Chuck. And that's all that needs mentioning today because 3 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: it's just us. So this is short. 4 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 2: Stuff, that's right. And by the way, I wanted to 5 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:20,080 Speaker 2: thank you for sending over that beautiful nosegay of wilted 6 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 2: white roses, delivered upside down with the ribbon to the left. 7 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: Well, may I ask where on your chest? Are you 8 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: wearing it near my bodice in the center or right 9 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: in the center? 10 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 2: Baby? 11 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: Well, I guess we're good friends. Then I can live 12 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: with that. Although I'm not sure what I was saying 13 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 1: with the whole thing. 14 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 2: It's kind of yeah, i'd have to get out a 15 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 2: code decoder book or whatever. 16 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:45,279 Speaker 1: Well they had those, Chuck. What we're talking about was floriography, 17 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: and there were a lot of floriography books, because it 18 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:52,480 Speaker 1: turns out floriography was a huge deal in the Victorian 19 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: and Regency areas. I guess between a couple of decades 20 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: on either side of the nineteenth and twentieth century divide 21 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: the DMZ of those centuries. As it were, this was 22 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: it was really popular to send unspoken messages using flowers. 23 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 2: That's right, unspoken because at the time in the UK 24 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 2: and parts of the US, obviously in Europe in certain 25 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 2: you know, high societies, mainly you could not speak these 26 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 2: things allowed a lot of times it was untoward. So 27 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 2: you had to have a coded way of talking to 28 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 2: each other. And if you're thinking like, oh, yeah, you 29 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 2: send flowers to someone and that means something, Yeah, it 30 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 2: goes deep. I mean it is literally a code. And 31 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 2: that's what I was kind of referring to with the 32 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,479 Speaker 2: upside down and the wilted and the where the ribbons tied, 33 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 2: like all that stuff means something. 34 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 1: It does. Yeah, it is quite deep, and you can 35 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: send quite complex messages and what kind of show what 36 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: we're talking about. But first I want to shout out 37 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: some great sources that helped with this Farmer's Almanac. The 38 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: Iowa State University Extension, Pedal Republic, it's a great name. 39 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: Author Sarah on Substack, Clive Rose, Georgina Garden Center, Thursdad, 40 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: just the d flower Meaning and historical Holly all help 41 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: us this. So thanks to all of you. 42 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's wonderful. So this is nothing new or was 43 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 2: nothing new back then. Coded messages through flowers goes back 44 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 2: to the sixteen hundreds at least in the Ottoman Empire, 45 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 2: when they had a tradition called selim or sealim se 46 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 2: l a m, which was a game where between the 47 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 2: members of the Harem of Constantinople, where they would send 48 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 2: flowers attached with like rhymes and meanings and stuff like 49 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 2: that to communicate with one another. 50 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, which made sense because a lot of them couldn't 51 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: read or write, so flowers did the talking forum. And 52 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: this actually spread from the Ottoman Empire to Europe via 53 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: one single person, a British aristocrat who is married to 54 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: the British Ambassador to Turkey. Her name was Lady Mary Wortley, 55 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: and she would send back letters to friends and family 56 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: describing all of the new and exotic customs of this 57 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,239 Speaker 1: land that she had moved to. She moved to Constantinople, 58 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 1: and among them was a description of salam or salam selim, 59 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: which how did you say it? 60 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 2: I said, sell them or selim. I'm not sure if 61 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 2: it's a long or shorty. 62 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: Well, the flower coat that the harrm workers had come 63 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: up with. She wrote a letter about that, and somebody 64 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 1: got it and said, this is great. I want to 65 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: tell everybody in the UK about it. 66 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 2: That's right. And by the way, I mentioned a couple 67 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 2: of puns in the Operation Paul Bunyan episode. Which one 68 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 2: were you thinking because you said you remembered. 69 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: One that the code stemmed back. 70 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was one. 71 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: That's the only one I can think of. 72 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 2: Well, no, here's the other one. Botany was a growing field. 73 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: How did I miss that pun sensor is covered with dirt? 74 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 2: Well, no, that's good. You want to pack some mud 75 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 2: on that thing. 76 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: I know, but I don't like walking past stuff. I 77 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: like to take part, you know, and be involved in 78 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: the mix. 79 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 2: So botany was a growing field, and floriography was, like 80 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 2: I said, among certain classes, you know, mainly upper class women, 81 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 2: because you know, it wasn't like the kind of thing 82 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 2: that you could really talk about openly in that class. 83 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 2: And this is one thing I haven't seen Emily yet 84 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 2: today because she got out of the house early. But 85 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 2: I wanted to ask her because she's, you know, like 86 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 2: a lot of GenEx women are obsessed with Jane Austen 87 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 2: stuff and sense and sensibility and all those series and 88 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 2: movies and books, and I wondered if she knew about 89 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 2: this or if they in those because I've never watched 90 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 2: any of them, if they were kind of pointed stuff out, like, oh, 91 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 2: he sent the flowers this way and that means this. 92 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 1: But that's I mean, that's the Browni sisters and Jane 93 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: Austin used a lot of floriography to help kind of 94 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 1: develop their characters, which I guess, so I guess they did. Yeah, 95 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 1: they definitely did. And the readers at the time probably 96 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: would have picked up this. But floriography is it's become 97 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 1: so arcane and obscure that modern readers would not pick 98 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 1: up on it. But if you learn about floriography and 99 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 1: you start reading Jane Austin, apparently it'll show up. 100 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 2: Oh well, no, that's what I was wondering if in 101 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 2: the books and they said, like, oh, will he sent 102 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 2: an upside down thing which means blah blah blah. 103 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, they would do that. I found a quote 104 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 1: from Pride and Prejudice from Jane Austen. 105 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 2: Ooh, can you read it in character? 106 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: Well, it's the narrator, so sure, I guess I can, 107 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: because the narrator sounds exactly like me. Yeah, but Elizabeth 108 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 1: Bennett is giving a flower to mister Darcy, and the 109 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: narrator describes she gave a red rose to tell him 110 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: that she loved him Red Rose, red red red, red 111 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: red Rose Rose Rose, red red Rose, red Rose, red Rose, 112 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: red red red red. And then in the i think 113 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: the first edition, the word red is just repeated over 114 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: and over for three pages before it just stops. In 115 00:05:58,480 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 1: a new chapter starts. 116 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 2: That's so hot. Yeah, all right, I need to go 117 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 2: cool down. Should we take a break? 118 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 1: Yeah? I think so. Yeah. 119 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 2: All right, we'll come back and tell you about a 120 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 2: lot of this what these coated flowers mean right after this. 121 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: If you want to know, then you're in luck. Just 122 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 1: listen to h Suffus stuffus. No, so, Chuck, you mentioned 123 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 1: that I gave you a nosegay. Another great word for 124 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: a nosegay is a tuessy mussy, and floriography in the 125 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: Victorian Age started to get popular at the same time 126 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: that tuessy mussies and nosegays were popular too. And they're 127 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: really kind of small, short, tightly bound bouquets that you 128 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: would kind of wear, almost as like a booteneer or 129 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 1: a corsage. Okay, they were made of flowers and herbs, 130 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 1: so not just flowers, but herbs had their own meanings too, 131 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: so like rosemary was for remembrance and mint was for clarity. 132 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: Moss even had its own meaning charity or maternal love. 133 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: Throw a violet in there, maybe for modesty. If you 134 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: put all those together in a little tussy musty and 135 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: gave it to somebody, you would be saying something like, 136 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: I modestly ask you to clearly remember me with either 137 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: charity or maternal love your pick. 138 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, which would be a very confusing message. It would 139 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 2: be paging doctor Freud on that one, for sure. So 140 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 2: the obviously, you know, the type of flower is gonna matter. 141 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 2: The color of the flower is gonna matter. Many messages 142 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 2: could be sent. If you wanted to send a message 143 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 2: of rejection or disappointment, it could be a yellow carnation 144 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 2: or a yellow rose. But if you send a yellow lily, 145 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 2: that means that you're just sort of over the moon 146 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 2: and walking on air. 147 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. 148 00:07:58,200 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 2: Obviously, the red rose is going to mean I love 149 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 2: you you. White rose is purity, a yellow roses loss 150 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 2: of love, and a crimson rose is for morning with 151 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 2: mu are right? 152 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: And I mean like that is just skimming the surface. 153 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: Just the color of different types of roses, right, or 154 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: different color roses the state that the flowers and mattered 155 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: a lot too. You may mention, I think of a 156 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: withered rose in the tussy mussy I gave you. If 157 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: you gave somebody just a plain white rose, you could 158 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: be saying, like, I think you're heavenly, you're very pure, 159 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: and I like that. But if the white rose was withered, 160 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: you were telling them that they made no impression on 161 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: you whatsoever, or that you think their beauty is fleeting, 162 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 1: so remember that. And then if it was dried, you 163 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: were saying, I would rather die than to give into 164 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:49,719 Speaker 1: your advances because I care about my virtue. And I'm 165 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: sure you could be like, you know, if you gave 166 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: somebody a withered rose, would you'd be like, is this 167 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 1: dried or withered? What are you trying to stay? Here? 168 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: So I know how much was like in the beholder's eye? 169 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean translation is important, and you know 170 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 2: we'll get to that here in a sec. But a 171 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 2: thornless rose means you've fallen in love at first sight. 172 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 2: Thornless crimson rose means you're mourning, because remember crimson rose 173 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 2: this morning, but you're mourning an unrequited love at first sight. 174 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,599 Speaker 2: And also the context really matters like you know, you 175 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 2: obviously kind of know what's going on between you. It's 176 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 2: when you're getting these or you know you're you're seeking clarity, 177 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 2: but you you know there's an established thing kind of 178 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 2: happening here for your own context. So if you get 179 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:37,559 Speaker 2: a hydrangea, it can be thanking the receiver for understanding, 180 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 2: or that you think they're frigid and heartless. So you 181 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 2: really got to kind of have a read on the 182 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 2: general air of the relationship. 183 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, same with like petunias. You could be saying you 184 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: soothed me or I resent to you. So the context 185 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: definitely mattered. But the reason why like hydranges and peonies 186 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: and almost all of the flowers had multiple meanings was 187 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: not because they needed to pull double duty because we 188 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: didn't have enough flowers and enough colors. Like if you 189 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: put all those together, you have a mind boggling number 190 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: of combinations. So that wasn't it. The reason they had 191 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: multiple meanings was because there were many, many different floriography 192 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 1: books and essentially a lot of them just assign different 193 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: meanings to different flowers. Yeah, so when you gave somebody flowers, 194 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 1: especially if there wasn't a lot of context yet, you 195 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: were just hoping that you guys were working from the 196 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: same book. 197 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's that's huge. 198 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: I think there were ninety eight different guides just in 199 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 1: the United States alone that were circulating from eighteen twenty 200 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: seven to nineteen twenty three. 201 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 2: Not helpful at all. And then you know, I also 202 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 2: mentioned that they were presented upside down. That also matters. 203 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 2: If they are upside down, that's it basically says it's 204 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 2: opposite day. So I guess you're trying to sort of 205 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 2: maybe confuse if like if Mum is looking on and 206 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 2: sees these flowers, But it would seem like Mum would 207 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 2: know about opposite day too, So I'm not really sure. 208 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 2: You know why they would do that, Maybe to throw 209 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 2: somebody off the scent. Who knows. How the ribbon was 210 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:10,559 Speaker 2: tied also matters. Tied to the left, it's the symbolism 211 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 2: is applied to the giver, Right, it's tied to the 212 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 2: right if it's in reference to the recipient. 213 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know, this is how deep it kits. 214 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: It could also express a lot of negative meanings, and 215 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: I think that's what you were doing when you handed 216 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: a bouquet upside down. You'd have to be pretty sharp 217 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: to put a bunch of mean flowers in and then 218 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: hand it to the person upside down to let them 219 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: know you meant the opposite. 220 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's a lot of trouble to go through. 221 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: Right there. Were Like you could be talking about jealousy 222 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:45,439 Speaker 1: with marigolds. You could be expressing distrust with lavender orange 223 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,839 Speaker 1: lily straight up said I hate you. You could say 224 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: I feel deceived with snapdragons. You could declare war with 225 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,079 Speaker 1: a flower called a tansy, which I hadn't heard of before. 226 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: But it's like a bunch a bunch of like small 227 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 1: yellow flowers to get there, unlike a single stalk. 228 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 2: Okay, I thought that might have been a misprint pansy, 229 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 2: but I literally looked at my computer keyboard and it 230 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 2: was like, nah, I bet it's that team the peer 231 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 2: pretty far apart. 232 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I didn't know that that flower existed, 233 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: but by goodness it does. 234 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 2: Also, accepting also mattered. So depending on which hand you 235 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 2: accepted the flowers with sent a message, which I guess would. 236 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 2: I mean, if you're handing them in person, you would know, 237 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 2: but if not, you had to have it relayed back 238 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 2: to you. Yeah, if you accepted with the right hand, 239 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 2: it was a yes. The left hand was a no. 240 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 2: If you held the bouquet upside down after getting it, 241 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 2: that's rejection. If someone gave you a wisteria, maybe like 242 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 2: asking for a dance at a dance, you would hold 243 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,959 Speaker 2: it upside down with your left hand if you wanted 244 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 2: to say no, thank. 245 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: You, right yeah, you were really saying I'm passing with 246 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: that because you're that's a double no, although the person 247 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: giving it could be like, is that a double negative? 248 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: Like a yes? Is it opposite day? So you could also, 249 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: as the receiver, send flowers in return too, like if 250 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: somebody actually sent you flowers or a bouquet with a 251 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: message and didn't physically hand it to you, you could 252 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: reply with flowers yourselves. Carnations came in handy for that. 253 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: If you sent a solid colored carnation, it meant yes. 254 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: A yellow carnation was a big fat no. A striped 255 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 1: carnation was letting them down a little easier, but it 256 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: was still a no. It said I'm sorry, but I 257 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: can't be with you. 258 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 2: I wonder which flower meant like, you know, are you down? 259 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: There was something like that out there. I guarantee you 260 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: I don't know which one, Yeah, but there was definitely something. 261 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: And then the last part. I asked you where you 262 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: were wearing your nosegay, and you said in the center 263 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: of your bodice, which meant I just want to be friends. 264 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:49,719 Speaker 1: But if you had warned over your heart, Chuck, I 265 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: would have known that you were saying, I love you 266 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 1: right back, buddy. 267 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 2: Hey, I do love you right back, buddy. Just you know, 268 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 2: not like that. 269 00:13:56,400 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: I understand. I took my shot. Yeah, I guess, then, 270 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: Chuck us short stuff is out, I think so. 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