1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: Back to the early two thousands. You're flipping through TV 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: channels and then you hear this. 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,319 Speaker 2: I was rooting for you. We're all rooting for you. 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:10,959 Speaker 2: Out damn. You learn something from this. 5 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 1: America's Next Top Model was my show, and it might 6 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 1: have been yours too. But these days that iconic show 7 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: that so many of us love seems pretty horrifying. 8 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 2: Robin, first of all, is too old to be starting 9 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 2: that model. 10 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:33,480 Speaker 1: She's huge, She's got rolls of skin that hang over 11 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: her jeans. Do you really think you can have a 12 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: coverball contract with the gap in your mouth? 13 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 3: Today? 14 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 1: Some people think A and TM was cursed because of 15 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: what happened to so many of the models once the 16 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: camera stopped rolling. 17 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 2: I was in debt after the show. 18 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 3: We've basically sold our souls and they got rich. 19 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: I'm Bridget Armstrong, and this is the curse of America's 20 00:00:55,720 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: Next Top Model. I'm a journalist covering pop culture. For 21 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: the past six months, I've been investigating the real story 22 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: of A and TM by talking to the models, the producers, 23 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: and the people who profited from it. All were starting 24 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: at the very beginning with the story of how the 25 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: show almost didn't happen. 26 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 2: They ran out of money. They were like using bread 27 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 2: bag ties to like hold curtains together. I guess we were, 28 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 2: you know, the guinea pigs. 29 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: And exploring how a show that was supposed to be 30 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: about making dreams come true ended up ruining so many contestants' careers. 31 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 3: No one wanted to see me after the show. 32 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 1: I couldn't get an agency, Like they completely destroyed me. 33 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: Back then, we believe they just didn't have what it 34 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: took to be on top. But after talking to many 35 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: former contestants, I think it's much deeper than that. Maybe 36 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: they were set up for a failure. 37 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 3: If someone had a particular fear, we would find out 38 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 3: in the costings skin of hots. Maybe this socle we 39 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 3: should do a run wape thirty five. I have stories 40 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 3: in the air and let them walk off the plank. 41 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 2: Somebody had a sick relative. They would push her and 42 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 2: push her and push her, like are you afraid they're 43 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:15,119 Speaker 2: gonna die while you're here? The challenges turned into let's 44 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 2: see what kind of crazy shit can come out of this. 45 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 1: I talked to Katz crew and producers who were there 46 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: for some of the show's most shocking moments. 47 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 2: She like, we're running for you were already for you, Like, 48 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 2: if you were so rooting for her and saw her drowning, 49 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 2: what did you help her? There was a huge chunk 50 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 2: that got cut out of that. Tyra got real personal 51 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 2: with her and she hit her alow the belt. I'm 52 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 2: just clutching my pearls. Okay at this point, it is 53 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 2: oh scary. 54 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: Top Model had so many viewers in a trance. But 55 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: when it was all over, what were we left with? 56 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 2: Putting it all across America that I have a white ass. 57 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 2: I ended up having an erexia issue after that, bolimia 58 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 2: issues after that. 59 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 1: Why would you humiliate someone like this and make them 60 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: feel as if. 61 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 2: Their very normal body is wrong? 62 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: America's Next Top Model taught me that, like everything is 63 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 1: a woman's fault, it didn't matter what was always your fault. 64 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: And in the end, maybe the Curse of America's Next 65 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: Top Model wasn't just about what happened to the contestants. 66 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: Maybe it was what the show revealed about us, what 67 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: we wanted to believe, and what we were willing to watch. 68 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: Listen to the Curse of America's Next Top Model on 69 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcast,