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Speaker 1: to another episode of Thinking Sideways the podcast I Am

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Speaker 1: Devin this week joined by Joe and Steve. Hey. Surprise, surprise,

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Speaker 1: and internet mystery, kind of about Facebook, Mr, kind of.

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Speaker 1: It's just a weird it's a weird story. Um. And

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Speaker 1: it is the story of Karen Catherine Waldegrave. And this

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Speaker 1: episode was suggested by James and Ashley in January of

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Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, only two plus years ago. Thanks guys, I

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Speaker 1: talk about a woman named Karen Catherine Waldegrave, which is

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Speaker 1: an Internet mystery. You can hear the question marks and

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Speaker 1: so here's the deal. In April two, a Facebook profile

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Speaker 1: This is a massive rabbit hole. Yeah, it's a huge

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Speaker 1: have that YouTube video credit for this. But basically, here's

425
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: the just of it. Karen's word associations are often based

426
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: on puns or other strong links. So like there's one

427
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 1: post where she's railing against Annalie Peebo, who's an opera

428
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,439
Speaker 1: singer from her home country maybe of Estonia. Peebo is

429
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 1: married to a death core singer named rale Nartists with

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00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 1: two as n Artists. Yeah, an artists, Actually not, it's not.

431
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: And by the way, for our listeners who don't know

432
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 1: what is a death course singer, it's a guy who

433
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: sounds like this la la actually yes, yeah, is like

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00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: is like really really heavy battle Okay, he's trying to

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00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 1: He's trying to sound kind of like a demon or

436
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: something like that. From the people that I know who

437
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: are into death core, it's more about the musicality of

438
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 1: the singer than it is the lyrics. But anyway, so Peebo,

439
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 1: who you know Karen's railing against um is married to

440
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: this death core singer role Nartists two as yea, who

441
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 1: she then merges into raul Nartists with one A who's

442
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 1: the professor of law at the the University of Taru

443
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 1: and Estonia. Um. Though she doesn't know what death core is,

444
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: she admits outright. Karen humorously puns death Corp off of

445
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: death Core like Marine Corps, and then translates that to

446
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 1: team taught, which is the third Rich too DT. Yeah,

447
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 1: do you say that someplace to some other way. Um, yeah,

448
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 1: so it's that's referring to the third Reich and then

449
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 1: team taught, like you're teaching something, which she then associates

450
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: with a peer at the University of Toronto UM in

451
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 1: the history department that she apparently had a huge, huge

452
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: rivalry with, and then she refers to the team teacher.

453
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: So there's like sophisticated wordplay happening throughout this. Well, there's

454
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: jumps of logic, but it's more sophisticated than any chain generator.

455
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: I think in this world, that's very sophisticated association that

456
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: as far as I'm concerned, and I see markof later on,

457
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: so I'm not gonna say anything about it for now. Well,

458
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 1: it just takes away from the Markov theory. Yeah, so

459
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 1: that's kind of the overview. Brief, like very brief overview.

460
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: You could spend literal weeks reading these posts. Um. This

461
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,959
Speaker 1: Facebook profile was deleted in about April of two thousand eleven,

462
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: so it doesn't exist anymore. I haven't been successful in

463
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: getting the way back machine to work, but sometimes other

464
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: people are successful with getting the way back machine to

465
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: work on things that I can't because the way back

466
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: machine is a fickle god. It totally is. But yeah,

467
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: I would think that did people not discover this until long,

468
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: long after the fact that she had come and gone?

469
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: Would think somebody with have archived everything? So did they did?

470
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: But they're in a really weird format. I've seen some

471
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: of those, whether they all the formica has gone and

472
00:28:55,600 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: it's nothing but texts. There's a live or an all

473
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: and a blog spot or something that did this, but

474
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: they are very hard to navigate, figuring out what is

475
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: a reply and what's a wall post, and what is

476
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: referring to a picture and what might be linked to

477
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: something because there's no category, subcategory, sub subcategor like you

478
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: know when you know when your Facebook loads and your

479
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: internet connection is really slow, and it does. It's not

480
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: in HTML any It's just like it doesn't have its

481
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: CSS connected to it, right, it doesn't have its statu

482
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 1: It's literally just pure text. That's what these look like.

483
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: It's hard. It's really hard to navi it. We will

484
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: post one link to one of these two things, um,

485
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: but that does exist. But what happened is people became

486
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: aware of this user profile in early two thousand eleven,

487
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: and then people started kind of becoming active with this,

488
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: and and again we'll kind of talk about this a

489
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: little bit in the theories, um, but that it was

490
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: pretty much when people started talking about the profile that

491
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: it was removed. So I keep seeing I've seen a

492
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: lot of the writing and you will probably know this

493
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: better than I. Devon it's referred to as forward slash X.

494
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: Is that a subreddit or was that a four chance group? Yeah,

495
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: there's um which was it? I wasn't sure. It's a chance,

496
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: it's a chance, it's one of the chance, it's grouping, Okay,

497
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: because apparently one of the X in the chance went

498
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: Gaulano crazy over this and started accurate getting giving her

499
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: a lot of attention accurate which seems to have been

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00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: a problem. I mean to the to like a stalking level,

501
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: like to a really intrusive, very scary level, And I

502
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: can it doesn't surprise me that just that this profile

503
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: was deleted, like under any of these theories, right, and

504
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: any of these theories, if that amount of attention from

505
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: a chan was being directed at it, you would get

506
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: rid of it. So all of that hadn't been said

507
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about theories in a minute, but

508
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: first let's take a break. Yeah, Sal had one goal

509
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: in life, was pretty simple goal, but it was going

510
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: to take a lot of work to achieve. All he

511
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: had ever wanted to do was eat plenty of fish

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00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: every day and eventually he would be strong enough. The

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00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: trip home was going to be a long one, and

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Speaker 1: he needed all the strength he could muster to make

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Speaker 1: And remember they come in quite a few colors, and

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Speaker 1: I'd recommend the salmon. We're back. How you guys feeling

539
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: about those posts? Read them all? Okay? Oh yeah no,

540
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: that was that was That was great reading. Pulled up

541
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: my pipe, got in the wingback chair front of the fireplace.

542
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: It was good. It was good reading. It was a

543
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: good cold, windy stormy night. Read so uh. In typical

544
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: Devon fashion, we have two main theories and solved the

545
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: theories um circus. So the two top theories, like the

546
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: two high level theories are either um this is a

547
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: real person or this is a fake person. So first

548
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about if this is a fake person.

549
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: I totally can I think it's entirely possible. And this

550
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: is a part of where the Markov chain theory comes in. Literally,

551
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: somebody's just like plugging in some stuff to Markov chain

552
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: whatever generator generator, Yeah, thank you, and uh, just posting

553
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: whatever it spits out, or even that they have, you know,

554
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: built a little put a bit of script that has

555
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: put a Markov chain generator in charge of a Facebook account.

556
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 1: One of the problems that I would have with that

557
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: theory would be the number of other social media or

558
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: otherwise accounts that Karen has, because she has been at

559
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: some point active in on almost every form of social

560
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: media as well as most genealogy sites as well as

561
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: UM the Chance and maybe read it and also um

562
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 1: linked in and uh and and and it's posting on

563
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: this I think currently maybe even posting on this like

564
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: subscript thing. I'll see if I can. I don't remember

565
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 1: what it's called, but it's something that I ran into

566
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: in my research, but she actually had a read it

567
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: log in. I don't know. I can't confirm since read

568
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,919
Speaker 1: it is such an enigma. There are posts that look

569
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: a whole lot like Karen style posting. Okay, so so

570
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: there's yeah, that's that's a dangerous I have no ideas,

571
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: I mean, because it's totally anonymous. Right. The way that

572
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: people tracked most of these is because she uses that

573
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: same dang picture in everything. So they just did a

574
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: reverse image search on that picture and suddenly all of

575
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: these accounts were popping up. And then you would you

576
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: get in there and you're like, oh, yeah, this is

577
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: the same person. So for people who don't know reverse

578
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: image search is I save the photo as Karen headshot

579
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:38,280
Speaker 1: wand dot jpeg and uploaded everywhere and then when somebody

580
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: pulls it from another website. That's one of the main

581
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: tools that used to to reverse search it. Well, it

582
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: doesn't mean things that are involved, but it doesn't have

583
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: to be the same name, right. But I'm saying, well,

584
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: so basically I'm giving the simplest version because not everybody

585
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 1: understands how reverse image search works. Right. Basically, what you

586
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: would do if you if you saw an image and

587
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: you wanted to reverse image search it, you would go

588
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 1: to Google image search and it would say upload picture

589
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: from U R L and you would say, yep, you

590
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: would put the U r L that that pictures in

591
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 1: and it would search for all images that even like

592
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:17,720
Speaker 1: remotely resemble that. Well, today, that is how it works.

593
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,760
Speaker 1: Back then, it was a lot of file naming because

594
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: I used to do a lot of image searching. That way,

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00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: when I had put up what was I would consider

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00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: protected content, And that was a way that you could

597
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 1: find that people were ripping it because people weren't smart

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00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: enough to at least change the file name a little

599
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 1: bit so you could find it. But the other thing

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00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 1: I want to I want to real quick touch on,

601
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: is the whole Markov thing. Yeah, there's a big problem

602
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: with this being a Markov changed absolutely. That is that

603
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: a Markov chain is not self referential. It doesn't refer

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00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: to itself in a prior post. Yeah, it also doesn't

605
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: um for instance, um in that post that we were

606
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: talking about where she's like talking about people she knows

607
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 1: or went to school with. It's not going to be

608
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: that smart. It's not going to be able to pull

609
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: and maybe that's something that you fed it, but even then,

610
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: like it's just too it's too complex and smart for

611
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: a Markov chain. I believe I think you're right, But

612
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that Karen is non alias. So it

613
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: also doesn't mean that she isn't a bot of some kind, right,

614
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 1: so um Quickly, one of the things that feeds the

615
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 1: theory of like Karen being fake is UM. So I said,

616
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: I had an expert help us, and she kept getting sidetracked.

617
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: And her name is Christina, and she's also happens to

618
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: be one of our Facebook mods and like overall super fans.

619
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: So thank you for everything, yeah, all the things you do,

620
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 1: So thank you for all of all of the things,

621
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 1: literally all of the things. Um. But she as a

622
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 1: hobbyist genealogist, and so she has all of the like

623
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,919
Speaker 1: super pro accounts and all that stuff. So she helped

624
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 1: me kind of dig through this and on Karen's accounts,

625
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: on her ancestry accounts and her genie account. She comes

626
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: from a long line of Nazis, um, and she claims,

627
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: I mean like high level Nazis I know, um. But

628
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 1: she she does say that these members, these Nazi members

629
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: of her family are being unfairly persecuted or otherwise. Um.

630
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: She does also claim to be related at one point

631
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: or another to pretty much every royal in Europe that's

632
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: ever ever existed, and the lineage is just like a mess,

633
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: but one of the really interesting things admittedly European lineage

634
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 1: in generally, but this is like no, no, no, there's

635
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: no way that you related to all of these people.

636
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: But I will say that her I think it's her

637
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 1: great grandmother. I think that she claims her great grandmother

638
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: is a woman by the name of Um Karen Vaughan,

639
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: counts Conso, who was also known as Karen Um. Can

640
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: you pronounce these for me, Joe, because Axcellina actually now grewing.

641
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: Who was who was the wife of herman who you

642
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: may recognize that name. I don't know how many name

643
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: you are familiar. He was the leader of the German

644
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 1: Nazi Party and the founder of the Gestapoum. And this

645
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,240
Speaker 1: is a fact that Karen is proud of. Well, okay,

646
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say she's she's not shroud of the but

647
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: she talks a lot about being related to these people Um.

648
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: And so that kind of lends itself to a theory

649
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: of this person being like even a troll or just

650
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: overall being fake because of like it's it's the same name,

651
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,919
Speaker 1: like she says, it's the same name that she has,

652
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: and and she says she's related to a lot of

653
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 1: different people and it'd be really easy to just like

654
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: pull a bunch of names out of a hat. So

655
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: there are a couple theories, Um. One is that it

656
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: would be a troll. One is that maybe this Facebook

657
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: is actually acting as a number station, and then none.

658
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: Other is obviously that this is just a very confused

659
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: reincarnation of Karen. I'm sorry, I'm Karen is like come

660
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: back to hot Facebook. She's actually dead, Ye, Karen von Counts,

661
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 1: the wife of herman. Yeah, I can't say German names.

662
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. That's a joke. I'm sorry, I should

663
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: clarify that's a joke. Um, but this could be a

664
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: troll account. I just I'm going to dismiss out of

665
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: hand that it's a troll account because it didn't. It didn't.

666
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: And I don't know why you would have as many

667
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: counts as this person does, and also why there would

668
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: be so many like genealogy accounts, and also why you

669
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 1: would so many different aliases. And also the story is

670
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: the same across the board. It's a crazy story that

671
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: she tells, but her story is the same across the board,

672
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: and I just don't know. And I know Steve is

673
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: about to say to me, well, trolls don't always have

674
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 1: a reason, dude, but it wasn't actually going to say that.

675
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: But I just think I don't think it's a troll. Well,

676
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: if it's a troll, it's a very disorganized troll, which

677
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: is why yes, which is that's a better way to

678
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 1: say it, thank you, Joe. Because of the fact that

679
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: the accounts are under different names. I mean, it's they're

680
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 1: very And also, if you are a troll, you don't

681
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 1: as soon as you are gaining interest in your troll,

682
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,280
Speaker 1: you don't delete the troll. But but not every troll

683
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: is what we think of as a troll who is

684
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: wanting to flame people in start of war. They just

685
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: want to They just want to muck with people a

686
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 1: little bit. Somebody wants to. Actually a very successful troll

687
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: in terms of getting people interested in that even yeah,

688
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: this may be a super successful Actually you're talking about

689
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: it like a bunch of bozos. The only thing I

690
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: will say is, um, if I think if it were

691
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 1: a troll account, it would have interacted with other social

692
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:20,760
Speaker 1: media accounts, and there's no instance except for Genie on Genie.

693
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: She posts on Jack the Spineberg's account a lot, who

694
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: she says is her father. My my, My difficulty with

695
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: the troll is if if it's a troll, to me,

696
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: it's a very low level, poorly organized troll, and yet

697
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: to be able to do some of the things that

698
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 1: happened in the Facebook account takes a level of sophistication

699
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 1: that those two don't align to be able to write

700
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: a script. Okay, I'm gonna say the posts were done

701
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: by a script. I'm just going to make that presumption

702
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: for my example. Okay, it takes a certain level of

703
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 1: understanding and sophistication to be able to do that, and

704
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: yet you can't keep your account straight and you're you're

705
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 1: constantly making things and mixing things like there's there. It's

706
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: it's very I mean, I guess to to elaborate on that,

707
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,879
Speaker 1: to take it out of the troll theory, it could

708
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:34,399
Speaker 1: have been like, hey, here's our really early exploration into AI, right,

709
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: we created an artificial intelligence that has this Facebook account.

710
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: But again, I think somebody would have said, yeah, that

711
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: was us, like that was our that was our computer

712
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: robot learning. Yes, maybe, but unless that company tanked I

713
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: mean even then when when when the Karen's account was

714
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: in it was just for a year. I think I

715
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: don't think so anyway, I the next after there's maybe UM.

716
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 1: The next theory for fake is that it would be

717
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 1: a number station. So can you guys know what a

718
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 1: number station is. It's been a while since we covered

719
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: number stations, so I'll just reiterate for maybe new listeners.

720
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: I don't know, are we getting new listeners? Who knows

721
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: we are? So number stations are basically like UM in

722
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: its most simple term, it's a station that it's like

723
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: a radio station that is either constantly broadcasting something or

724
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: maybe not constantly broadcasting something, but that the pieces of

725
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 1: code would be broadcast over that. So that like if

726
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 1: I were a spy for the US for instance, right,

727
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 1: radio waves can travel around pretty much around the world

728
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: depending on time of day alignment blah blah. So I

729
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: could be in like Russia and I need I need

730
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:56,919
Speaker 1: the US needs to get to me to give me instructions.

731
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 1: And this is like pre cell phone, pre internet blah blah.

732
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,959
Speaker 1: So they have this one radio station that's broadcasting maybe

733
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: white noise the entire time, and then um they you know,

734
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: you know, okay, well at six pm every night, I

735
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: have to tune into this radio station. All we have

736
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,879
Speaker 1: to do is have your radio and then it broadcasts

737
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: a coded message and you write down the coded message,

738
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 1: and then it's done. It goes back to white noise.

739
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 1: And then you decide for the message because you have

740
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: the key. Because you have the key that's predetermined, and

741
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: then you have your message. You have you in the

742
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: simplest form, that's abroad. That's a number station. So this

743
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: could be a kind of Internet number station that you

744
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: know somebody you. Facebook is pretty easy to access. You know,

745
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,240
Speaker 1: you go to an internet cafe, Facebook is gonna be available.

746
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: And it also doesn't look suspicious for you to be

747
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 1: looking at Facebook. You look up this profile, you say, okay,

748
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 1: here's today's thing. You print out the pages. This is

749
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: much like what we talked about in cryptos, where you

750
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 1: could literally copy and paste the text and format it

751
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 1: according to your style when nobody else would get it. Yeah,

752
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: and then print off your pages for ten cents of

753
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: pop or whatever, take them with you, burn them when

754
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: you're done, and you know, nobody's the wiser. It would

755
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: also explain why it went dark when it started to

756
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:17,479
Speaker 1: gain popularity that does. Yeah, yeah, the only thing about

757
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: this and I was thinking that too, And there's there's

758
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: lots of ways to send signals, like for example, there

759
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 1: was no code. There might not have been any actual

760
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: encrypted code in any of it. But and again I'm

761
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: not so sure about this because it still didn't explain

762
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 1: like the one post that had two hundred and sixties

763
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: seven reply, it wasn't just one post, yeah, but that

764
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: was frequent. Yeah, but like that. But but still it

765
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: could be like a thing where like say, for example,

766
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: you're a spy and I and I occasionally leave stuff

767
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: in a dead drop for you information, and you know this.

768
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: You're the only way you know this to go check

769
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: the dead drop as you drive past my house and

770
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: I put my flower pot out of my porch. When

771
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: you see it out there, you know it's time to

772
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: go check the dead drop. That the flowers in that

773
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: I've been dead for three years, I said, flower pot,

774
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: it's so flower Yeah, And it could be the same thing.

775
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: It could It could just be some spy just like

776
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: you know, checks check your page as well. If I

777
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: published something really long and tedious and stupid, that's not

778
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: say three lines, but say you know, two lines. But

779
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: even check the dead drop. I mean maybe yeah, maybe

780
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: it's that, or even it's that is the simplest flag

781
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 1: in the world. It is the world. But it could

782
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 1: also be even something is like um uh, you know

783
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: the every fourth post is the coded message, or ever

784
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 1: you know, whatever your number is for the day, or

785
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: just every fourth comment is you know, the next line

786
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 1: the first line is part of the code. What I mean,

787
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 1: it could could be something super sophisticated like that. It's

788
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: actually pretty simple or again I mean yeah simple just yeah, yeah,

789
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: I know, I get where you're headed with that. Yeah,

790
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,439
Speaker 1: it's just it just seems like it's still not quite

791
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: doesn't doesn't quite work because of all the loony behavior.

792
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: You think you would want to have a sort of

793
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: normal fake Yeah, you would want to have a normal

794
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: Facebook page, I think. And you would also I think

795
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: again the ancestry, the genealogy accounts are what kind of

796
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:20,320
Speaker 1: throw this for a loop unless you create the illusion

797
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:24,760
Speaker 1: of a of a real person who had some mental

798
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 1: illness going on to explain the crazy posts on Facebook. Maybe,

799
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,280
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I think we could speculate

800
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: about this for a really long time. I think the

801
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: idea of it being an Internet number station is really interesting,

802
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: But I don't think it's the right answer. I I

803
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: have one thing that is not in your stuff. What

804
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 1: it could be in the fake heading under the fake

805
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: head this is this is a fake section. Yeah, it

806
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:55,240
Speaker 1: is entirely possible that somebody else had created a bot

807
00:48:55,760 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 1: that was scraping comments or content from another blog or

808
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: set of profiles and storing it and then pouring it

809
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: into a comment thread. So let's just say that it

810
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: goes to a I'm not gonna say, I'm you know,

811
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: the crazy website dot com, and there's all these comments,

812
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: and it goes and it looks for Tom's comment and

813
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: every because calm, they really like what Tom says. He's

814
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:27,760
Speaker 1: really intriguing and it's fun. So it scrapes every comment

815
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 1: that Tom makes and then just starts pouring them into

816
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,760
Speaker 1: all of let's say the first week of May's comments

817
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: get poured into one continuous post. Like it could be

818
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: as simple as that. Now, why you would do that?

819
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 1: I have not the faintest of ideas, but that would

820
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: that would explain it to me it in terms of

821
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: the behavior, because it's something that isn't as one of

822
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: the one of the hard parts about this is that

823
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: things are done so rapidly in such volume, So this

824
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: would be a way to actually take something that's overtime

825
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: and compress it and make it look straight. Well that, um,

826
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: that timing we'll talk about in the real theories. We

827
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 1: can talk a little bit about one of the other

828
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:19,919
Speaker 1: things that people think that this might be. So that's

829
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 1: all I have for fake Joe, did you have any

830
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 1: additional fake No? I think not. Not now I think not.

831
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: But so you're ready for the next theory, which is real.

832
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, my book is out awesome, I know. So

833
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 1: there there's good reason to believe that Karen's a real person. Um,

834
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: she may think so, well, No, I do. I think

835
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: Karen's a real person. I think there are more than

836
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: just that one picture of her, and they're her And

837
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,359
Speaker 1: she wears her hair. This is so weird. I'm sorry.

838
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: She wears her She has like dark brown hair, and

839
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: she wears it in like two braids with like a

840
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:55,320
Speaker 1: hat on, like that's how she wears her hair. Like

841
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 1: all of the other pictures of her, she looks like that.

842
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: But you can tell it's the same person. She's Um,

843
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: she exists and she's in non photoshop damaged pictures. So

844
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: if she is real, what's going on? So there are

845
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:16,280
Speaker 1: a couple of things here. One theory is that she's

846
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 1: a victim of MK Ultra or the CIA or m

847
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: I five and in the many, the many things that

848
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: Karen claims to be connected to the person that she

849
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: does say is her father was the director of m

850
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: I five for a while. And I'm not gonna name names.

851
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:41,720
Speaker 1: This information on the internet. Um, it's not highly pertinent,

852
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,879
Speaker 1: it's not. It doesn't change any it doesn't because those

853
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: are publicly available names. And I only say that. I

854
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 1: only say that because sometimes people bristle at us about that.

855
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: But I mean, if you really cared, you would go

856
00:51:54,080 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 1: find Yeah, it's easy, it's easy. Yeah, but she does.

857
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 1: She does so, and she says that, like that's an

858
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: alias for like his given name, which is something Waldgrave,

859
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: which is like anyway, like I said, six degrees of

860
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: separation of Kevin Bacon is what she's going on. Yeah,

861
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 1: but you know, my my thing about that, right I do.

862
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: The only thing I like about it is because it

863
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: involves Bacon. You know, you're making the same leaps of

864
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: logic as Karen is exactly another thing that I've seen. Uh, sorry,

865
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: do you guys feel like you need to discuss the

866
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: mk ultra at my five CIA thing? She refers to

867
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: it once, But I don't know a lot of accusations

868
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:38,760
Speaker 1: about in my five in the CIA around. Yeah, Karen's

869
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 1: not the only person on the internet, I'm going to say,

870
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: But all you have to do is look at our

871
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:48,800
Speaker 1: group to see a lot of people Karen more in

872
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: my Little Black peopre a little black book that we're

873
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: going to sell when we're done with it. But as

874
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 1: far as the mk Ultra thing, too, doesn't Karen seems

875
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: to be the Karen's a little young I would agree

876
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: to have been involved with M. I would agree with that. However,

877
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: I would say that I have heard a lot of

878
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: like my mother was experienced experimented on d you know,

879
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 1: from M. Kiltra when she was she didn't know she

880
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 1: was pregnant with sort of things. But I don't think

881
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 1: that this is one of those things. I think if

882
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 1: she is connected to anything, it would be M I five,

883
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: And I don't think she's connected to him my five.

884
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: I doubt she's fluky, but I mean back in the

885
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: old days, I mean she was not flaky enough to

886
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 1: be part of them, my five. But these days I

887
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 1: think that, yeah, she's too flaky. Yeah. I think about

888
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: about the m k ultra thing too, is that if

889
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: it truly existed, they would have had no trouble at all,

890
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 1: if they were doing truly my control, they would have

891
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 1: had no trouble at all. Making these people forget everything. Yeah, well, okay,

892
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 1: so but remember that the best way to hide yourself

893
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: is to to put out disinformation. And what better than

894
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:56,760
Speaker 1: to release a bunch of your squirrely rejects who spelled

895
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: misinformation while you're doing the real Yeah, plant plants, all

896
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,839
Speaker 1: kinds of false information. Yeah, I don't do that, And yeah,

897
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: I just shoot everybody's credibility all to hell. And then

898
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: next time it comes up, everybody rolls their eyes. And

899
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: the one time is there's a grain of truth, everybody

900
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: associates it with this bag of garbage. So why would

901
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 1: I even read into it the MK Ultra. Have you

902
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 1: guys ever heard of the Indian Lake Project? I have

903
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: heard of it. But okay, so there's the Indian Lake Project.

904
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 1: It's all about MK ultra and mind control and it's

905
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: put together by this guy. John's the guy that went

906
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 1: out in the woods and found that mysterious. His grandpa

907
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:43,760
Speaker 1: found a box in the steel box in the woods.

908
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 1: I thought it was that gave it to him uncle. Yeah,

909
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: but yeah, finds all this stuff that's all associated with

910
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: MK Ultra and all this stuff, and he releases it

911
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 1: over time. But he does something very similar to Karen.

912
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:02,240
Speaker 1: If you look at the photos, they have the same age,

913
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:07,359
Speaker 1: photoshop treatment to them, the same folds, the same wear marks, Like, yeah,

914
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 1: these are old. These are old photos of people that

915
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,359
Speaker 1: were involved in these experiments long ago, and they're old.

916
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:17,399
Speaker 1: They're granny, and they're black and white, damaged, but they've

917
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 1: been photoshopped, like you said, to look antiqued. Yes, and

918
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 1: then the damage is you see the same vertical from

919
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:28,399
Speaker 1: left to right on a lot of them. So that's

920
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 1: why it's weird to me. That's why I sort of

921
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 1: want to say that she's fake, because I in a

922
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 1: way I kind of feel like John is fake exactly.

923
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: I supposedly photos of John had been put out there.

924
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: I saw a photo that I couldn't verify it was real,

925
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: So I meant to try to bring this up earlier,

926
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 1: and then we we blew by it. But it's just

927
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: this mk Ultra thing is just it's too easy to fabricate.

928
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 1: Speaking of John, that guy John in Indian Lake, I

929
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: think that's just a creative writing project. Either that or

930
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 1: his uncle was the biggest d bag in the road,

931
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 1: because his uncle gives him this metal box with all

932
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 1: this stuff in it relating and and then later you know,

933
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 1: as he finds out his uncle felt like what was

934
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 1: in that box had ruined his life. So what's the

935
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 1: first thing to do when you ruin your life? You

936
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 1: give the box to your nephew to ruin their life. Yeah,

937
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: of course that makes total sense now, I mean it

938
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:19,839
Speaker 1: totally to me. It was I creative writing project. Well,

939
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: and and it it I I wouldn't be I wouldn't

940
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 1: be opposed to that idea. Because it's funny is that

941
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 1: the blog went for about two or three years and

942
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden there was the shift of

943
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 1: here's my Twitter handle, I will be putting all future

944
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 1: updates on Twitter. Well, and and then it's this is

945
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:43,320
Speaker 1: my first Twitter post and all future comments are updates

946
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 1: will be here on Twitter, and that's it. Yeah, this

947
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:49,399
Speaker 1: is actually an interesting segue to the next theory about

948
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 1: Karen is real, um, and that is that her posts

949
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 1: are actually excerpts of of her like novel, Like she's

950
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: writing a book about her life. Don't want to read. Well,

951
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 1: it would be I mean, it would explain this like

952
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 1: quote unquote genealogy research. I mean, let's just for one

953
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: second put away are like, let's just suspend our disbelief

954
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: and say maybe, like maybe it turns out she is

955
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 1: actually related to all of these people. And she actually

956
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 1: finds out that she's related to all of She's from

957
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 1: these like crazy lineages that have distilled down and she

958
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,919
Speaker 1: wants to write a book about it, and so she's

959
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 1: trying to poorly is writing about her life about things

960
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 1: that she thinks are connected overall. I mean, I don't

961
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: know that there's a great story there. But many people,

962
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 1: even people I know, have said I'm working on my

963
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 1: novel and you read a couple of pages of it

964
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 1: and you're like, well, this is not a crap, Like

965
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 1: this is really bad. And so there's nothing to say

966
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 1: that her working on a novel has to mean it's

967
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 1: good or even he makes any sense, right, It doesn't

968
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 1: have to be She could think it's like this great

969
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 1: work of art. I mean, like Kanye West post. Like

970
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 1: we've talked about his book that he came out with

971
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: where it was like some of the pages were just

972
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 1: like one letter, like he got this book published and

973
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 1: it's just like the rantings of a lunatic. And obviously

974
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: Karen read that and thought, hey, if he can do it,

975
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 1: I can do it. But I mean, I think there's

976
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: no there's nothing that says that books have to be intelligible.

977
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 1: So there's that theory that right, So that this would

978
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: also explain the rapid succession of posts, is that she

979
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 1: had written out and then just cut and paste. But

980
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: it's a strange place to keep your to archive your notes.

981
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 1: I agree. I don't know if it's an archive. Sorry,

982
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 1: I don't know that it's an archive necessarily as so

983
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 1: much as like she thinks she's sharing it with the world,

984
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 1: she's getting publicity. Well, I thought it was more like

985
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 1: she makes references to things that on the sheet, and people,

986
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 1: as you know, would understand maybe it's kind of code

987
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: in the sense that makes reference to this and that,

988
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: and it means nothing that you or me, but to

989
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 1: her in her family, it does mean something. It triggers

990
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 1: a memory, and so a sentence, a few words, a

991
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 1: few yeah, tells this whole reminds them of this whole

992
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 1: what happened in the summer of nine that's going to

993
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: go to my memoirs. Of course, maybe I don't know, yeah,

994
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: but I mean, I guess for me, it's kind of

995
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 1: like yeah. And then it also explains why the posts

996
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 1: are kind of organized the way they are, that like

997
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 1: each set of post and comments would be like a chapter.

998
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 1: There's sort of self contained. They are in a way

999
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 1: that they don't bleed from so there's always these She

1000
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 1: very rarely gets stuck on a topic. Well, but what

1001
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 1: I was getting at is there's there's usually a topic

1002
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 1: and then or a main statement and then comments, Right,

1003
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: That's what I mean, and like that post, and they

1004
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 1: don't they don't tend to bleed from one to the other.

1005
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: So the comment on two the topic of Tuesday and

1006
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 1: all of Tuesday's comments don't then be uh, feed what

1007
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 1: happens on Wednesday's comment or topic and all of its

1008
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 1: comment And the only thing I would say is that, like,

1009
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily know why one would like be posting

1010
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 1: these things for like twelve hours, you know, yeah, you know,

1011
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like listen, we know some good writers

1012
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 1: out there. And you know, if our friend Mark Adams

1013
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 1: was on a bender, and I know you don't do that,

1014
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 1: but if Mark was on a bender and he just

1015
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 1: started writing, well, okay, listen, ye, Mark is a much

1016
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 1: higher caliber than this. But the point is that you

1017
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 1: know somebody who thinks that I can write and they

1018
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 1: just they just start spe And I'm just gonna put

1019
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 1: a name to this real quick, and that's hypergraphia. And

1020
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 1: we're going to talk more about that in a minute,

1021
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 1: but just um, the hypergraphia is basically like a compulsion

1022
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 1: to write, and that seems to be what's going on here,

1023
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 1: and it's one of many mental disorders that are attributed

1024
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 1: to carrot. Yeah, people people do say that she displays hypographia.

1025
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 1: And you had a couple of things that you wanted

1026
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 1: to talk about before we get to my last real theory, Steve, Well,

1027
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 1: the things you want to talk about, Yeah, I know,

1028
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 1: there's things that I want to talk about because because

1029
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 1: I'm just we need to hash this out because I'm

1030
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 1: a bit stumped on them. So she mentions a couple

1031
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 1: of people. She mentions Donald McClean, who was a real

1032
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 1: person though I should stop to say that, regardless of

1033
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 1: her allegations that like people are like using these different aliases,

1034
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 1: almost everybody that she refers to our real people, right,

1035
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 1: But she she makes these comments about him, said, they're

1036
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 1: the same people but there, but he's such a weird throwback.

1037
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 1: He's the one who's a spy. Yeah, he was part

1038
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 1: of their Yeah, and when he didn't he go he

1039
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 1: moved to Russia. He defected and lived there till some

1040
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 1: point in his old age. She also talks about and

1041
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to butcher the last name, it's Arthur alex

1042
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 1: are sound right, who was an Estonian poet, and like

1043
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 1: her comment, oh, it's good to see that Alex Sar

1044
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 1: is back and yeah, yeah, it's like dude, alexr Has

1045
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 1: been dead for decades. But she, I mean she put

1046
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 1: quotes around that, right, And I think she was again

1047
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:34,920
Speaker 1: making one of those like only the way the way

1048
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 1: that only Karen does making a pun. She she does

1049
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 1: this thing, um where she just like refers to someone

1050
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:49,439
Speaker 1: as someone else or the like the raul raul leap

1051
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 1: that she was making. I mean, like she just kind

1052
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 1: of there's a word for what she was doing. I

1053
01:02:54,760 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 1: think it's conflicate. Is the word conflicate and conflate me, Yeah,

1054
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 1: conflint conflate. Yeah, I just add an extra syllable in there.

1055
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 1: But she, I mean, she conflated often and did that

1056
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 1: kind of like word play it almost and almost it's

1057
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 1: an association, almost like memory mimnemonics. Yeah, it totally. Yeah,

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01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 1: that's a good Yeah, it's a great way, so that

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01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 1: I mean that. Yeah. So there. There's there's one or

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01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 1: two other little things that I've seen, which is I

1061
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 1: never saw this anywhere, but I always wondered and you

1062
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 1: hinted at it a little bit earlier, which is get

1063
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 1: the you were talking about when you have a slow

1064
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 1: connection speed and everything loads but it's super slow. So

1065
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 1: I have had websites that have done this to me,

1066
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 1: especially when you're in a crappy computer and it's a

1067
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 1: crappy internet connection. What if she's not making these comments simultaneously,

1068
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 1: but matter of fact, she's in her cabin in the

1069
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 1: woods on some terrible dial up at twelve bot and

1070
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 1: she's making comments, and then five minutes later she's making

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01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 1: another comment and then making another comment, and her her

1072
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 1: computer is just cashing it all. And then when it

1073
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 1: gets on it just dumps it all. I mean that

1074
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 1: that would create a chain, like not a perfect answer,

1075
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 1: but it suddenly becomes it's a technology problem and not

1076
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:31,440
Speaker 1: she is a complete you know, she's not not as

1077
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 1: a chamber. Well, I mean it would accept for that,

1078
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:37,440
Speaker 1: like the content of those posts is still questionable. You're right,

1079
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 1: But this to me, so I always break these things apart,

1080
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 1: you know. But I guess the thing for me is

1081
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 1: that like that is not like I don't have a

1082
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 1: problem with the fact that they're posted simultaneously. I think

1083
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 1: a lot of people fixate on that issue, like posted.

1084
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 1: I think there's like twenty different totally logical reasons that

1085
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 1: they could be posted simultaneous, and still does this Yeah,

1086
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 1: and it still does not explain the content that's being posted.

1087
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 1: And for me, it's the content of the posts, not

1088
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:11,360
Speaker 1: the But I think you got a little thing. Yeah, No,

1089
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 1: I I broke it apart. I took content and then

1090
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 1: the postings and I separated him. That's why I looked

1091
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 1: at it and said, well, what if this is what's

1092
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 1: going with this? Because I mean it's just like the

1093
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 1: same thing as where we talked about before, or the

1094
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:28,920
Speaker 1: the idea that I proffered, which is somebody was scraping

1095
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 1: it from somewhere else and then pouring it in. Okay,

1096
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:36,440
Speaker 1: there's one. There's somebody else who I found who is

1097
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 1: a lot like Karen though yeah in terms of the posts,

1098
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 1: a lot like Karen post well, but I think could

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01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:49,600
Speaker 1: be an inspiration for Karen. And that is frances E. Deck.

1100
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 1: And if you don't know who Francis E. Deck is,

1101
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:58,920
Speaker 1: google him his there's a great log of his work

1102
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 1: and it's really the interesting The short version is he

1103
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 1: was a lawyer, I think it was in the nineteen

1104
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 1: forties or fifties. He did some things, he got himself disbarred,

1105
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:18,040
Speaker 1: and he launched a twenty year letter writing campaign, literally

1106
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 1: typewriter writing. If you there's actual scans of his his letters,

1107
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:28,080
Speaker 1: there's some punctuation, there are absolutely no carriage returns. It

1108
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:32,439
Speaker 1: is just a wall of text with actually he's taken

1109
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 1: the typewriters, put the page in it sideways and typed

1110
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:37,520
Speaker 1: on the edge of the borders of the pages. Like

1111
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 1: he just makes these crazy screeds where he and I'm

1112
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 1: not using crazy in the derogatory sense here, but he

1113
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:50,440
Speaker 1: makes these things where he is making outlandish claims and

1114
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:54,560
Speaker 1: like he sounds very racist, but really I think he

1115
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 1: just hated everybody, so he attacks everybody. He attacks everything,

1116
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 1: like nothing is sacred to this guy. And he did

1117
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 1: it for twenty years. So there's a hue mongous record

1118
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 1: of his work. And to a degree, the style of

1119
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:16,840
Speaker 1: Karen's writing it seems very familiar after I read some

1120
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:20,880
Speaker 1: of Deck's work. So that's why I wonder if, yeah,

1121
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:24,840
Speaker 1: maybe Karen's real, but maybe she studied him, or maybe

1122
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 1: somebody else use that as their source and it's a

1123
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 1: person doing this, it's not a bott. Maybe she's maybe

1124
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 1: she's kind yeah, in the same kind of mental space.

1125
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:42,080
Speaker 1: And that actually leads into the final theory, which is

1126
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 1: a big one, and it is that Karen is just um,

1127
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:53,959
Speaker 1: severely mentally ill. A lot of people think that she's schizophrenic.

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01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 1: There's a video that I well, let's just get through this, right,

1129
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 1: I know. Um, there's a video I found while researching this,

1130
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 1: and it's like called what Schizophrenia Really looks Like and

1131
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 1: it's a man on the street interview with a guy

1132
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 1: who has schizophrenia. And here's a transcript. I'll read, um

1133
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:20,920
Speaker 1: the reporter and then Joe, can you be the guy,

1134
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 1: don't You don't have to read the whole Thing's okay? Yeah, no,

1135
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:26,879
Speaker 1: I mean this guy is like he doesn't like devolve

1136
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 1: into like you know what we would see like a

1137
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 1: Hollywood portrayal of like this person is going crazy. He's delivered.

1138
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:37,439
Speaker 1: He delivers these words very coherently. It's just the content again,

1139
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:40,719
Speaker 1: that's so. So the reporter just says like, um, what's

1140
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 1: your name? And then this man responds my name. Oh,

1141
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:48,920
Speaker 1: I'll me tell you my name. Um. I'm confused because

1142
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 1: you know, we're supposed to believe in the ministry. Right

1143
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 1: So is is is the church and state supposed to

1144
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 1: be separate? I'm confused because I never went to school.

1145
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:03,320
Speaker 1: Right is a is a confused person get a resolution?

1146
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:07,640
Speaker 1: I don't understand. You see when you go like that

1147
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 1: and I'm holding up my hands with my crossed index fingers, right,

1148
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:14,760
Speaker 1: you have a cross two sticks, right. And that's how

1149
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 1: I felt when I was in Waterloo, because when I

1150
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 1: walked in Waterloo and smile to people, they treated me

1151
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 1: like a vampire. They used to cross and they went

1152
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 1: like this by not smiling at me. In Toronto. Oh hi, guys,

1153
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:31,559
Speaker 1: you know me, Steve spirow is easy going. Those who

1154
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:34,960
Speaker 1: know me. I'm a nobody, you understand, and you can't

1155
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:39,040
Speaker 1: kill a person with nobody, So why am I afraid?

1156
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:42,599
Speaker 1: So it goes on a little bit, but you can

1157
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:48,080
Speaker 1: see it's not um particularly coherent, not really, not entirely

1158
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 1: you know, of course, you know, I don't know. I

1159
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:52,720
Speaker 1: mean schizophrenics, you know, they hear voices and stuff like that.

1160
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:55,960
Speaker 1: Maybe it's hard to actually get a coherent thought together

1161
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:59,560
Speaker 1: when you're being bombarded with voices, um And you just

1162
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:01,559
Speaker 1: want to go ahead and say, like, I'm just gonna

1163
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:04,920
Speaker 1: pause right now and say that I do not want

1164
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:07,519
Speaker 1: to get into the game of trying to diagnose a

1165
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 1: mental illness based on like a social media profile. Good point.

1166
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 1: I think that's super dangerous and also I find it

1167
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 1: like kind of personally offensive that people have been doing

1168
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:20,960
Speaker 1: this to the point where like when Karen, when people

1169
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 1: started becoming aware of Karen's profile in like two thousand,

1170
01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 1: thousand eleven, people were like calling the cops and like

1171
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:32,760
Speaker 1: reporting her as being like severely mentally ill and trying

1172
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:37,760
Speaker 1: to get her institutionalized. And regardless of what you think

1173
01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 1: may have been going on for her, I think I

1174
01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 1: just think that that's stepping in where you are not yeah,

1175
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:48,560
Speaker 1: well even remotely allowed to go based on a Facebook

1176
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:50,720
Speaker 1: that's all I think you can go there. I mean,

1177
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:52,680
Speaker 1: as I think it's very reasonable enough as long as

1178
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 1: you're not a professional. If you if you're out there

1179
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:58,400
Speaker 1: as on the internet as a psychiatrist saying my professional

1180
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:02,639
Speaker 1: opinion is this person that's crossing a big line. Well,

1181
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:05,760
Speaker 1: I honestly I just think, like I just think you

1182
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:08,560
Speaker 1: should like you don't know that person. I think I

1183
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:11,360
Speaker 1: think it's being a member of a chan and saying

1184
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:18,280
Speaker 1: this smacks of schizophrenia. So I'm going to author that's absurd,

1185
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:20,360
Speaker 1: because you know what the problem is, and we've come

1186
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:23,240
Speaker 1: across this floor. So I I actually stopped and I

1187
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 1: took the time to look it up to just try

1188
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 1: and see if I could get a grip on schizophrenia.

1189
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:31,679
Speaker 1: And I can't. But you know what made me feel

1190
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:36,400
Speaker 1: better is that even the governing bodies of the mental

1191
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:39,519
Speaker 1: health world can't get a grip on it because between

1192
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:41,679
Speaker 1: the d s M four and the ds M five,

1193
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:44,760
Speaker 1: things have been excluded in, definitions have changed. Like it

1194
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:49,600
Speaker 1: is such a it's it's so evolving, and it's so

1195
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:53,559
Speaker 1: unique to each individual. Yeah, I mean, and I think

1196
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:56,680
Speaker 1: the thing is is, like, so we talked about hypergraphia

1197
01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:59,040
Speaker 1: a little bit, and people say, like, that's not that's

1198
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 1: not schizophrenia. They no, they say that it is an

1199
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:05,960
Speaker 1: unusual it doesn't usually present with schizophreni yet. But again,

1200
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 1: like everybody is different, like maybe it does for some people,

1201
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 1: and you can only have one mental affliction at the

1202
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:16,599
Speaker 1: same time. And that guy that you were talking about

1203
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 1: that wrote those yeah, I mean, wasn't he diagnosed schizophrenic?

1204
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:22,920
Speaker 1: He was. They were pretty sure that he was. So,

1205
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:26,840
Speaker 1: I mean, like he displayed this same sort of hypographia tendency,

1206
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:31,680
Speaker 1: but he also was a schizophrenic. I mean again, it's

1207
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:33,880
Speaker 1: like we can't there's no way for us to look

1208
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:36,479
Speaker 1: at these historic posts and say, and nor should we

1209
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 1: be looking at these historic posts and say, like, this

1210
01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:41,960
Speaker 1: is the mental illness that this person suffered from. But

1211
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 1: I do think that there's strong evidence to say that

1212
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:49,760
Speaker 1: this person is mentally ill and that we and we

1213
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:52,479
Speaker 1: are we're doing a podcast on it, so we are

1214
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 1: like feeding into this sensationalization of this person's mental illness.

1215
01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:02,600
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, but it's not it's not outlandish to

1216
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 1: suppose I mean, because from our point of view, what

1217
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:08,080
Speaker 1: rational person would do something like this? What a waste?

1218
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:10,720
Speaker 1: What a waste of time? But if nothing else, what

1219
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:14,160
Speaker 1: a huge waste of time? Maybe she's been illegal or

1220
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:16,560
Speaker 1: perhaps you know, this whole thing is like like we

1221
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:20,519
Speaker 1: were talking about earlier, just a troll or project or

1222
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:23,559
Speaker 1: a project that that succeeded in creating this big mystery

1223
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:26,800
Speaker 1: that people are still talking about. And so you know,

1224
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 1: we've fallen into the trap and we need to like,

1225
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 1: you know, hit the e race button, talked about something else.

1226
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 1: Kevin's got squinty face. I just think I got I'm

1227
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 1: getting squinty face because I think that like we're doing

1228
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:38,960
Speaker 1: that thing that I said we didn't want to do,

1229
01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 1: you know where we're just not because it smells bad

1230
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 1: in here. No, it's fine, Yeah, there's no smelling cat

1231
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:52,000
Speaker 1: thing happening here. Okay, but well you're talking about microphone diagnosis. Yeah.

1232
01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:57,720
Speaker 1: I think that we, you know, as armchair investigators, cannot know.

1233
01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 1: I mean the only thing that I'll say is that

1234
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:05,160
Speaker 1: people say that Karen's UM profile went dark because she

1235
01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 1: was institutionalized or she was you know, was in treatment,

1236
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:13,639
Speaker 1: and there there are comments on her profile about isn't

1237
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 1: it like somebody's coming over. She actually goes on like

1238
01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 1: a tirade because like because again people were like reporting

1239
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:24,120
Speaker 1: her to the police, and she's just basically is like,

1240
01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:26,040
Speaker 1: you guys, this is none of your business, Like, do

1241
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:28,960
Speaker 1: not call the cops on me. I'm not crazy. I'm

1242
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:32,599
Speaker 1: like posting this. It's my own personal thing, like get out,

1243
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:37,479
Speaker 1: Like you guys are awful, like just ignoring, and the

1244
01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 1: fastest way to get attention is to say, don't look

1245
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:42,960
Speaker 1: at me. Absolutely it is. Yeah, So I think I

1246
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:45,680
Speaker 1: don't I don't give credit to the fact that I mean,

1247
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:48,240
Speaker 1: her Facebook is the only thing that went dark, like all,

1248
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:50,439
Speaker 1: she has all these other accounts that we can trace

1249
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:55,600
Speaker 1: that didn't disappear in two thousand eleven when her Facebook disappeared.

1250
01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 1: So I think I don't really buy into that necessarily,

1251
01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:02,240
Speaker 1: but I do. I do think that the theory that

1252
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 1: I am that I land on in this story, which

1253
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:08,760
Speaker 1: makes me uncomfortable that we've done an entire episode on it,

1254
01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:12,400
Speaker 1: is that it's just a woman who is like mentally

1255
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:14,880
Speaker 1: ill and this is how it is expressing it, and

1256
01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:18,120
Speaker 1: she does not deserve this level of scrutiny. Yeah, it

1257
01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:19,920
Speaker 1: probably doesn't want it that bad, And it might be

1258
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:23,200
Speaker 1: that she didn't even delete it, because obviously, if she's

1259
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:26,160
Speaker 1: mentally ill and getting a ton of attention for her writings,

1260
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:29,320
Speaker 1: that's not necessarily a negative thing for her. But her

1261
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:32,759
Speaker 1: family deleted it. Well, but it might be a negative

1262
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:36,439
Speaker 1: thing for her if people are like calling hospitals on her.

1263
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:40,639
Speaker 1: And I remember, have you ever deleted a Facebook account?

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Speaker 1: It's not an easy thing to do. Oh yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: you you go in and you click the button, and

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Speaker 1: then you cannot log into the account. Facebook tells you

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01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:57,479
Speaker 1: for two weeks. In actuality, Facebook does not want to

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Speaker 1: lose so oh, if you hit the log in button

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Speaker 1: with that account name for somewhere between six months to

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Speaker 1: twelve months, I've found that Puppy is back online and

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01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 1: it is up and running because I have had family

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Speaker 1: members who have messed up and done the multiple profile

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01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:20,680
Speaker 1: thing without realizing it and Okay, we're gonna turn this

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Speaker 1: one off and turn that one off. Just don't log

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Speaker 1: into it. And then I come back and I'm like,

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01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:29,920
Speaker 1: why is what's Oh you logged into it? Why so

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Speaker 1: it's it's not It's not an easy thing. So it yes,

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Speaker 1: it requires a set of circumstances for the normal person

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Speaker 1: or the not completely mentally sound person to be forced

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Speaker 1: into an order for that account to not be accidentally reactivated.

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Speaker 1: I see, I'll remember that if I ever tried to

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Speaker 1: delete Facebook, which I probably will wind up doing one

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Speaker 1: of these days, probably probably probably. So yeah, do you

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01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:11,880
Speaker 1: guys have any more theories? I still I still, while

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01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:15,200
Speaker 1: the what we've talked about for probably what's been the

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01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:19,880
Speaker 1: last ten minutes seems like the most probable. I also

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Speaker 1: have seen enough art students that I almost wonder if

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01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:29,680
Speaker 1: this is a crappy crappy art projects or some sort

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Speaker 1: of a long con some Reddit types. Yeah, yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'll do this, and you do this portion,

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01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:39,240
Speaker 1: and the one person who does the beginning get does

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Speaker 1: a ton of stuff and then burns out, and the

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Speaker 1: person who does all the genealogy side, it's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: oh look, I set myself a reminder for every two

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Speaker 1: and a half two months and twelve days, and it's

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Speaker 1: been that time. Let's log in and post some weird stuff. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm much happier having to do it

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Speaker 1: done an episode. If it's like a coded message number

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Speaker 1: station thing, well that's because you've got a thing for that.

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Speaker 1: But I think they didn't do a very good job

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Speaker 1: of keeping a little profile if that was the purpose.

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Speaker 1: And I think I just think it's somebody that I

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01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:16,360
Speaker 1: think is probably sufferings from some wellness something. I like

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01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:18,439
Speaker 1: the long con a little bit better, just because I

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01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:22,040
Speaker 1: like conspiracies. But there's one person who knows, and that's Karen. So, Karen,

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01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:26,479
Speaker 1: send us an email or friend us on Facebook. There's

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01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:29,040
Speaker 1: a problem with that is that you're presuming that she's

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Speaker 1: real and that she exists. Yeah, that's true, that's true,

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01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:34,040
Speaker 1: but somebody made her up. Well you can friend us too.

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01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:36,800
Speaker 1: That okay, but then we'll never know. Well, let us

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01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:40,600
Speaker 1: just that fess up. Keep you, we'll keep it. Send us,

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01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:47,080
Speaker 1: send a messenger. We won't tell. We promise that bombshell.

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Speaker 1: Are you if you are Karen Um? Yeah, please contact

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01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:55,720
Speaker 1: Please contact us. No. So we'll post some links from

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01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 1: the research on our website. You can also listen and

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01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:01,679
Speaker 1: download the episode on the website, as well as find

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01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 1: our entire what is it like two hundred and five

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01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:10,040
Speaker 1: episode archive or something like that. You can count the

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01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:13,880
Speaker 1: short five thousand, four hundred seventy two millions. Yeah, I'm

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01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:16,360
Speaker 1: pretty sure that's how it is. Yeah. So you can

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01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:18,400
Speaker 1: find all that stuff on our website, which is Thinking

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01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:22,080
Speaker 1: Sideways podcast dot com. There's also links to our merch

1323
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:25,400
Speaker 1: sites on the website. If you want to buy a

1324
01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:28,360
Speaker 1: shirt or a mug up. We got a new shirt up.

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01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:31,880
Speaker 1: That's right, new shirt cool. If you want to find

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01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:34,479
Speaker 1: us on social media, as previously mentioned, we do have

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Speaker 1: a Facebook. Don't friend us? Actually, um, you can like

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01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:41,720
Speaker 1: our page. You can join our group, but if you

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01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:46,920
Speaker 1: friend us, we will reject your request. Sorryct, we just

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01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:50,639
Speaker 1: reject all the requests exactly. We can still join the group.

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Speaker 1: We don't like you, It's true. We also have a

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Speaker 1: Twitter which is Thinking Sideways um, and we have a

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01:19:57,640 --> 01:20:01,680
Speaker 1: sub credit which is UM thinking site ways. You can

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01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:03,880
Speaker 1: also email us, like I said, if you're Karen and

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01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:06,519
Speaker 1: you like are scared of social media, now send us

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01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:10,639
Speaker 1: an email. Yep. That email address is Thinking Sideways Podcast

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Speaker 1: at gmail dot com. And I think all of that

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01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 1: having been said, uh, we're just going to get out

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Speaker 1: of here. I think it's time yeah logging off, sweet,

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Speaker 1: I'm craving a Waldorf salad. I am related to everybody,

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Speaker 1: and I will now begin to list off every person

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Speaker 1: that I am related to in history. Okay, in reverse

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Speaker 1: chronological order. Great Okay, hit hit the record button.