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Speaker 1: It's within our power to do it. This is Bloomberg

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Speaker 1: Radio's live coverage of the New Hampshire primary with Tom Moroney,

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Speaker 1: I'm Kevin Curreli, chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television of

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio. It's like a Washington Boston doubleheader. We are

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Speaker 1: combining forces with our Boston bureau as we anticipate the

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Speaker 1: results tonight of the New Hampshire primary. Senator Bernie Sanders

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Speaker 1: leading the pack. But Joe Biden, the former Vice president President,

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Speaker 1: He's already jetted out of town to South Carolina. We've

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Speaker 1: got an all star team here at I'm Green, co

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Speaker 1: founder of the Progressive Change Campaign Committee of Warren World Insider.

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Speaker 1: She was trashing Joe Biden earlier today. And Fred Hackburg

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Speaker 1: my good friend, and of course the former Export Import

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Speaker 1: on this side, the Bostonians, we don't usually play well

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Speaker 1: I'm from Philly, so I don't know. I'm in the middle.

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Speaker 1: Kim Kerrigan, Joe short Slaven. We are happy to you

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Speaker 1: brought these two distinguished gentlemen along with you. You're very kind,

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Speaker 1: so gentlemen sentences. So yeah, so listen, I quick impressions around.

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Speaker 1: Is this a big insult? People are still voting? You know,

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Speaker 1: so immediately the Biden campaign was downplaying expectations. You get

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Speaker 1: last night. But I was in where Bedford, New Hampshire

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Speaker 1: What does that say for Democratic enthusiasm? Well, you know,

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Speaker 1: in someone's living room and convinced somebody why he should

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Speaker 1: be president. He hasn't really sat on that debate stage

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Speaker 1: with some pretty feisty Democrat candidates right now who aren't

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Speaker 1: going to let him off that stage easy. So he's

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Speaker 1: got a lot to answer for He could do fine,

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Speaker 1: but there's a lot to answer for there, and it's

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Speaker 1: gonna come to bear. Fred Hartberg series the former chairman

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Speaker 1: of the export in Fort Bank. You're Democrat, just you

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Speaker 1: know you're sitting next to the Republican governor. But you

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Speaker 1: want to how encounter? I was thinking selfies with the

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Speaker 1: Democrat Party in front of the booth over at the

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Speaker 1: polls today and they are you kidding? This is New Hampshire,

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Speaker 1: my friend. We are purple a view of the broken

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Speaker 1: convention and chaos and and all the socialism. That's a

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Speaker 1: wonderful Republican playbook of what do hope will happen? I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure it's a prediction what's going to happen. We've

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Speaker 1: got Super Tuesday early March, March three the delegates, and

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Speaker 1: by the middle of April the delegates are chosen. The

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Speaker 1: field now, I think the problem we had with Iowa

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Speaker 1: sort of imploding, the field is not narrowed, and we'll

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Speaker 1: see how much it narrows after tonight. We don't know

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Speaker 1: that yet, but it may narrow again. And I think

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Speaker 1: that we've got two key primaries coming up, with two

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Speaker 1: key states coming up. South Carolina Nevada, which will have

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Speaker 1: a much more diverse voter block and will have a

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Speaker 1: much better idea of what this looks like. So if

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Speaker 1: it's not a broken convention, somebody has to go in

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Speaker 1: with enough delegates. Who's it going to be. I don't

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Speaker 1: know yet. I think I've been supported talked to the

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Speaker 1: government here about how your guy is gonna beat Trump.

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Speaker 1: I think that be Buddhaga. I've known him for five years.

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Speaker 1: I met him when I was chairman of the Expert

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Speaker 1: Input Bank and he was He was mayor of South Bend.

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Speaker 1: He was keenly interested in economic development, supporting more jobs,

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Speaker 1: creating more jobs, and that's where we met, as to

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Speaker 1: find ways that companies in his city could export to

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Speaker 1: the rest of the world create more jobs at home. Alright, Governor, Uh,

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Speaker 1: he's a socialist, right? I think he's not, of course,

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Speaker 1: because he wait, Democrat is not equal socialists. Pick your policy.

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Speaker 1: He's about big government, give us more taxes, will solve

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Speaker 1: your problems. Is not you can take a look at

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Speaker 1: and how they pay for themselves. He is not a

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Speaker 1: big government, big tax kind of guy. Listen. Of course,

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Speaker 1: the democratic field is all progressive. Frankly, at the end

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Speaker 1: of the day, they all believe in greater social I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you that. The fact that when they said, who

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Speaker 1: would have a problem with a social set the top

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Speaker 1: of your ticket, and he didn't have the courage to

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Speaker 1: raise his hand to say, that's a real problem for

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Speaker 1: our party. Are they all socialists? Who's not a socialist? Socialist?

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Speaker 1: Selsea Gabbert is not a socialist? What is? Yeah, Chelsea

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Speaker 1: is a fighter. I'll say that I've never met Telsey.

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Speaker 1: She's got grit to cast here. First of law, Governor

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Speaker 1: Christian who was talking to listen just that lively interchange

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Speaker 1: was with Fred Hackberg. He's a former Export Import Bank chairman.

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Speaker 1: Kevin Surreally, host of sound on we are Bloomberg based

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Speaker 1: day Business. It's a large table here, Kevin, listen. I'm

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Speaker 1: just you know, I'm phoning an end today. I'm learning

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Speaker 1: from the expert. I'm like, here we go. God, you

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Speaker 1: know what my biggest problem is with the state. A

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Speaker 1: bunch of patriots fans are out and I everywhere I go,

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Speaker 1: I say, why are there's so many? I just I

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Speaker 1: did push ups with Chuck Grassley. I'd be a challenged

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Speaker 1: now to a duel by the Governor hands. The most

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Speaker 1: important thing is after we get through today, is what

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Speaker 1: happens to Tom Brady question if I have insight, but

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Speaker 1: I cannot give it if you have insight, insight for

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Speaker 1: he doesn't want to stay. Of course he wants to stay.

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Speaker 1: Say I don't have any insight, by the way, and

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Speaker 1: do any have you here? Talking about your what are

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Speaker 1: your aspirations for the for the year it's still February.

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Speaker 1: You have sports betting, you know, and for in terms

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Speaker 1: of the state, yeah, Look, we've created a lot of

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Speaker 1: opportunity here wee. Big thing is keeping up this momentum

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Speaker 1: for economic opportunity. When the economy is doing well, everything

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Speaker 1: falls into place. The state has more money to invest

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Speaker 1: in programs. We return it to cities and towns. People

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Speaker 1: have more economic opportunity for themselves, better quality of life,

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Speaker 1: I mean, the whole nine yards. Everything flows. Um. Look,

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Speaker 1: I get criticized, they say, oh, you pick on Massachusetts

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Speaker 1: too much, but look we've played we were playing second

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Speaker 1: fiddle economically to Massachusetts for a long time. We're now

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Speaker 1: we're now the guys to catch. Massachusetts made some bad

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Speaker 1: decisions and we are Why Why are we the number

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Speaker 1: one state ranked form millennials to command. Why are we

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Speaker 1: the only state in New England within migration? Why are

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Speaker 1: we the state that's pulling businesses out of Massachusetts, Connecticut,

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Speaker 1: New York and New Jersey. This isn't by accident, and everybody,

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Speaker 1: we're rocking it up here. We really are. We've we

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Speaker 1: haven't done some of the silly things Massachusetts and other

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Speaker 1: states have done. And I have all the respect in

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Speaker 1: the world for Charlie Baker, but let's use tc I

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Speaker 1: as an example. That's Insaney gas tax. It's going to

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Speaker 1: be done by executive ordering. You not think it's going

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Speaker 1: to impact your economy and people are gonna be furious

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Speaker 1: about it. That's crazy. That's crazy, real quickly, Kevin, I

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Speaker 1: don't think you could see this from your end of

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Speaker 1: the table, but the governor's sitting directly across from me.

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Speaker 1: He does twist his oreos open, take the icing. Also,

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Speaker 1: I only eat mega stuff and then I dip them

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Speaker 1: in peanut butter. At the Bloomberg Bureau down to watch

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Speaker 1: he does. They'll tell you what it's not a bad technique.

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Speaker 1: Come with you right there. We can agree on that.

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Speaker 1: Very porous. So as far as sports, I looked the

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Speaker 1: first month we about fifteen million dollars were bet, which

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Speaker 1: resulting about one point two million in net UH profits

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Speaker 1: to the education system of New Hampshire. And it's booming right.

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Speaker 1: We thought it would take years, a year or so

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Speaker 1: to get it done. I pushed him. We got it

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Speaker 1: done in five months, and I placed that first bet. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: for the Patriots to win the Super Bowl. I'm over

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Speaker 1: four in my sport. I'm not gonna lie. But people

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Speaker 1: are enjoying it. We got March Madness coming up. Yeah, well, Duke,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I can't that game the other night with

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Speaker 1: you and come on UNC. But let let me take

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Speaker 1: it back to politics for a second, because Governor soon

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Speaker 1: new New you represent a tone and and and seeing

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Speaker 1: you travel just within the last twenty four hours with

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Speaker 1: the vodka, you've got Republicans if they want to win

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Speaker 1: back the White House, you have to win suburbs. You

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Speaker 1: have to win the path that you put together in

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Speaker 1: this state in order to get President Trump reelected. In

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Speaker 1: all seriousness, is you look at us, at the Governor's

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Speaker 1: out there and on your side of the aisle, who

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Speaker 1: are your friends or not friends who are ideologically similar

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Speaker 1: to you? Across this country? And there's in there's battleground states.

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Speaker 1: Do they exist on the battleground states? Well, look, I

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Speaker 1: believe it. This isn't where governors are not like Congress.

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Speaker 1: We actually all get along really well, with a couple

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Speaker 1: of small exceptions. We all get along really really well,

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Speaker 1: Republican and Democrat. And this is this goes fundamentally what

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Speaker 1: the problem with the Democrat field is. We'll get to

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Speaker 1: in a second. They're not executives. Mayor Pete is and

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Speaker 1: I give him a lot of credit for that because

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Speaker 1: he's had to be a mayor, but may know what

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Speaker 1: he is. And and again he's he understands that he

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Speaker 1: doesn't understand this. We might not agree on policy, but

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Speaker 1: he understands accountability. Congress and senators don't understand that. Governor

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Speaker 1: Doocey in Arizona, UM, Governor Wolf in Pennsylvania Democrat that

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Speaker 1: we work with, you know fairly well. I work with

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Speaker 1: the Governor Scott. He's he's a Republican, but he has

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Speaker 1: a very tough legislative issues similar to what you see

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Speaker 1: in Massachusetts. We work very well working with Governor Mills

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Speaker 1: on offshore wind UM. I'm working with Governor de Santis

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Speaker 1: on some of the prescription drug stuff. With the model

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Speaker 1: that up his working in Florida, we hopefully we'll be

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Speaker 1: able to copy that here in New Hampshire. So we

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Speaker 1: share a lot of these innovative ideas. Did you hear

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Speaker 1: Secretary of State Mike Pompeo a couple of days ago

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Speaker 1: down and I think it was Florida when he spoke

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Speaker 1: to the National Governor's Association about China, And I apologize

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Speaker 1: it did not know because he was but he was

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Speaker 1: talking about China. Wanted to see if he thought I

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Speaker 1: was down At the n GA meeting, we all went

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Speaker 1: to dinner with the President. I didn't participate in some

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Speaker 1: of those meetings just because we were here. All right,

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Speaker 1: He's go and we are this. How's this going so far?

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm back home. I feel like I'm

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Speaker 1: an Irish Italian Catholic, can't get a word in, and

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Speaker 1: I'm the host at each other there. What's different about

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Speaker 1: see how I cover Congress Kim. And what's so different

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Speaker 1: is what the Governor's there is he's not afraid to

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Speaker 1: complement Democrats, and that is so that is so polar opposite.

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen it on the other side of the aisle.

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen it on the Republican side of the aisle.

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Speaker 1: He likes Bernie, but it's but he's truthful. I get

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Speaker 1: Bernie credit for being truthful. I give Mayor Peak credit

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Speaker 1: for being an executive. They don't do that in Congress anymore.

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Speaker 1: And Gritty Biden, I don't know about. Sorry where I

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Speaker 1: come from, Pritty is the mascot of the Flyers. We

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Speaker 1: talked to your brother and he's gonna be on later.

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Speaker 1: You didn't know. I have a lot more hair than him,

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Speaker 1: and I can beat him in arm wrestling. And anytime,

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Speaker 1: what is happening? Just joining us? You're just joining us?

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Speaker 1: What is happening? I'm Kevin Cirelli, Chief Wahington correspondent for

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Television and Bloomberg Radio. We're doing a double header

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Speaker 1: here with Bloomberg Radio sound on and Bays State Business

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Speaker 1: at the simulcast. Of course, we're carefully awaiting for there

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Speaker 1: to be the results that will come in in the

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Speaker 1: New Hampshire primary. And uh, we don't have a chance

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Speaker 1: to talk with the governor's brother, Johnson new Early for

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Speaker 1: the former U. S. Senitor, and he's gonna be on

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Speaker 1: a little bit later tonight. I think in our seven

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Speaker 1: o'clock hour, because we are on from seven until well

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Speaker 1: whenever tonight. In terms of Kevin, I just said Christine

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Speaker 1: brought executive. I'm going to Bernie Standers, right, Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to Bernie Sanders. Want to get all fairs check

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Speaker 1: in with you guys. You know I was upstate with

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Speaker 1: the Anina Turner was back on the trumble. Can I

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Speaker 1: bring in Adam Green? Who's so Adam welcome to the program,

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Speaker 1: first time, long time. He is the Adam Green is

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Speaker 1: co founder of the Progressive Change Campaign Committee. He's also

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Speaker 1: a prominent backer of Elizabeth Warren and the movement behind

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Speaker 1: Senator Elizabeth Warren. She's you know, what, where do you

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Speaker 1: expect her to finish? Like? Can she continue forward if

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Speaker 1: she doesn't get at least third place? Yeah? I think

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Speaker 1: you know, all the first four states are prelude to

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Speaker 1: Super Tuesday, which is the big cahuna. Right, there's no

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Speaker 1: spinning Super Tuesday. Either do well, you don't do well.

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Speaker 1: And what we have right now is actually voting happening

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Speaker 1: in Super Tuesday states where Elizabeth Warren is up in

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Speaker 1: the twenties. And you know, folks like mayor pete or

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Speaker 1: at four percent, and that's happening right now. I think

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Speaker 1: the biggest um, honestly, the biggest consequence of tonight is

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Speaker 1: for Joe Biden, not just because he left the state,

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Speaker 1: but when your entire campaign is premised on being invincible

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Speaker 1: and being inevitable and being electable and you keep, you know,

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Speaker 1: having that punctured, that's really bad. And most of the

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Speaker 1: candidates have another rationale for their candidacy. And I think

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Speaker 1: that especially as we go to more diverse states. Given

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Speaker 1: how well Elizabeth Warren has resonated with things like that

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Speaker 1: she the people, audience and others, um, she will be

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Speaker 1: received with open up. So adam, you know, we had

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Speaker 1: a gentleman not earlier in our program today. Kevin Landrigan

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Speaker 1: is the dean of the Political Press Corp up here

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Speaker 1: in New Hampshire, and he suggested to us that if

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth doesn't Elizabeth Warren doesn't have a third place finish,

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Speaker 1: this could be the end of the road. Respond to that, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know, Kevin, Um, I think that's a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a New Hampshire centric opinion. Um. You know, luck

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Speaker 1: she finished third in Iowa out of twenty five candidates.

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Speaker 1: Who initially were running and be an incumbent or sitting

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Speaker 1: the last sitting vice president. That that's been a little

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Speaker 1: bit of race from history for some reason. But you know,

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Speaker 1: she was ahead in Iowa for a time too. She

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Speaker 1: she was you know, I think that the main thing

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Speaker 1: is our voters open minded to people who come to

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Speaker 1: their states next. And I think that as long as

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Speaker 1: people do reasonably well here in New hamd sure the

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Speaker 1: answer will be yes. But but I think I think

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Speaker 1: the biggest the biggest pocket of voters that are four grabs, frankly,

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Speaker 1: will be Joe Biden voters because they've just been along

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Speaker 1: for the ride for a while. His invincibility is punctured.

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Speaker 1: They're taking a fresh look at people. I think Elizabeth

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Speaker 1: Warren will be received very well in places like South Carolina,

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Speaker 1: Nevada and to Produce days Day is considered a moderate,

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Warren is not. So why would voters consider her

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Speaker 1: coming from Biden? Yeah, for the same reason that voters

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Speaker 1: have been going all around for the last couple of months.

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Speaker 1: They want someone who is electable as a threshold issue.

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Speaker 1: And I think, honestly, some people just felt safe with

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden, and that has been punctured. The thing about

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Warren is if you want a candidate who is

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Speaker 1: a bold progressive, who is effective, and who can win

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Speaker 1: against Trump, She's the only candy in the race who

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Speaker 1: checks all three bucks. Stolen some of her momentum. I think, honestly,

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Speaker 1: she's cutting into my repeat a lot today. We're being

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Speaker 1: anecdotes out there. Uh yeah, I have that. She was

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Speaker 1: one of the polling booths, uh, polling stations in and

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Speaker 1: hooks it one the just the numbers were really down.

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Speaker 1: Talking to the people who were running at there, they

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Speaker 1: were surprised at the low total total attendants. Was just off. Um,

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Speaker 1: why is that? I wish I knew. I mean, obviously

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Speaker 1: they say, wea there's a problem. But people in New

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Speaker 1: Hampshires used to wield of candidates. You know what I found.

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Speaker 1: I did some canvassing, just trying to hear from voters.

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Speaker 1: I think because there's so many candidates still, because Iowa

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Speaker 1: did not narrow the field, it makes for a little

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Speaker 1: bit more model. There were more people I met in

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Speaker 1: the last was undecided still, and I would knock on

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Speaker 1: doors and see and they were. There was much more

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Speaker 1: undecided I think than probably two years ago when Bernie

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Speaker 1: won by twenty plus point because it was just a

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Speaker 1: two way race. Something I'm really curious about from a

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Speaker 1: PEP perspective is, you know, he went his last election

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Speaker 1: for mayor in South Bend with eight thousand votes. I

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Speaker 1: wonder if I'll get more than that number of votes

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Speaker 1: here today? What do you think that's the one talking

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Speaker 1: point from Elizabeth war and the headquarters. That's a very

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Speaker 1: nice talking bluebird. Leaves and numbers. That's why that's not

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Speaker 1: like Elizabeth one talking. And let me go back to

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth word for just a second here. What about the

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Speaker 1: fact that she, I mean, this is her sweet spot,

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Speaker 1: she lives next door, and I don't feel a lot

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Speaker 1: of enthusiasm for her right now. I feel like she

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Speaker 1: was a big, big balloon that all of a sudden

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Speaker 1: the air started to to seep out. So if she

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Speaker 1: can't come in two or three here, what makes you

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Speaker 1: think that in you know, out in Nevada or down

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Speaker 1: in South Carolina she can she can pull this off. Yeah, Well,

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Speaker 1: a couple of things. When I was at one of

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Speaker 1: her events last night in Portsmith and it was electric,

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Speaker 1: I mean, the crowd was if she's feeding off the crowd.

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Speaker 1: They were feeding off her. It was amazing. I think

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Speaker 1: Willie Geist was in the back of the room and

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Speaker 1: he was he called a celebratory and feeling that said.

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Speaker 1: You know, in her last campaign, some people criticize her

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Speaker 1: for it, some people love it. She ran zero TV

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Speaker 1: ads in Boston Television, which is the market next door.

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Speaker 1: She really didn't campaign as if she was, you know,

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Speaker 1: trying to wedge in on New Hampshire. But what we've

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Speaker 1: seen across the country is her core message of taking

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Speaker 1: on systemic corruption, returning government to the people. Her one

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Speaker 1: is that no matter what your first issue is, healthcare, education, childcare,

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Speaker 1: it's all skewed by big money lobbyists in corporate corruption

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Speaker 1: of our democracy. And that resonates everywhere, including I'll stay

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Speaker 1: with Republican voters. I met some Republican voters in Iowa

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Speaker 1: who just came to check her out and left committee

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Speaker 1: to caucusing for her because they were so compelled by

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Speaker 1: her personal story of struggles growing up poor in Oklahoma,

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Speaker 1: being a single mom in Texas, struggling with childcare. And

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Speaker 1: they were like, wow, we actually resonate with her. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's reset all this please, You're just listening to Adam Green,

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Speaker 1: co founder of the Progressive Change Campaign Committee, obviously supporting

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Warren. Before that, Fred Hawkburg, former Export Import Bank chairman,

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Speaker 1: he is supporting Pete Buddha Judge. Our co host here,

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Speaker 1: Kevin Sireli. His show is sound on. You're listening to

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Speaker 1: this in Washington, and I'm Tom Ronner, Kim Kirgan, and

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Speaker 1: Joe Short Slave Base State Business out of Boston. We're

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Speaker 1: here around this big table. It looks a little bit

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Speaker 1: like Thanksgiving with all these laptops, if you can imagine

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Speaker 1: those as turkeys instead of laptop and uh, you know, Adam,

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Speaker 1: back to you for a moment. You know, obviously people

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Speaker 1: are saying, and I want you to respond to this

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Speaker 1: that Elizabeth Warren's fatal mistake in all of this was

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Speaker 1: the rollout of Medicare for All. She she botched it.

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Speaker 1: She took too long and answering critics, how much is

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Speaker 1: this gonna cost your your too? Yeah? Well, I'll be honest.

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Speaker 1: You know, she took a couple of months of incoming

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Speaker 1: fire from people to judge who was using insurance, and

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Speaker 1: she talking points against Medicare for All which are not true.

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Speaker 1: It will not raise taxes, people will not lose their

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Speaker 1: healthcare and that that took a hit, you know, it

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Speaker 1: was unfortunate. But after she rolled out her plan, what's

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Speaker 1: interesting is that after two months of defending Borne Sanders plan,

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Speaker 1: when she rolled her own plan, the attack stop. And

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Speaker 1: I think that's because she is the most effective progressive

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Speaker 1: Sander out there. Heather Heather McGee, who's the former president Demos,

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Speaker 1: a very respected think tank. After Elizabeth Warren rolled out

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Speaker 1: her plan, was like, you know what, this is the

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Speaker 1: first time I actually see a path to passing Medicare

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Speaker 1: for all because it's so well constructed, it's intended to

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Speaker 1: bring the public along for the ride. I got a

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Speaker 1: or cold water, you know, and we talked about policy

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Speaker 1: all day. But I mean, in order for that to

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Speaker 1: ever get through, Democrats would have to win the House,

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Speaker 1: they have to win the Senate, they have to win

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Speaker 1: the White House, they have to have supermajorities. But what

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Speaker 1: I find fascinating about the Medicare for don't have to

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Speaker 1: have supermajorities. Well, Democrats to elect that to Congress. Only

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Speaker 1: one was for Medicare for A thirty nine were about

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Speaker 1: I don't want to reigate Medicare for all, okay, Well,

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Speaker 1: what I do want to do is to bring it.

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Speaker 1: What I find really interesting about your point, though, is

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Speaker 1: that Senator Sanders has continuously said Medicare for all. He's

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Speaker 1: continued to campaign for it at him, and he's climbed

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Speaker 1: and ever since. I think, yeah, I think the real

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Speaker 1: shift in the debate actually came when we saw briefly

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Speaker 1: Sanders and Warren clash on the debate stage, and they

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Speaker 1: were then trending Sanders up, Warren down, and then you

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Speaker 1: had the Hulu documentary with Hillary and Sanders continued that

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Speaker 1: is sent for whatever reason, I don't know. I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying she can't have another moment, but I'm saying she's

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Speaker 1: gonna have to have another moment between now and Nevada,

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Speaker 1: if she wants to continue, if she wants to research.

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Speaker 1: You would agree, well, between now on Super Tuesday, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and again, one of her best moments was that she

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Speaker 1: the people for him in front of a hundred percent

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Speaker 1: women of color, where she was one of the only

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Speaker 1: ones to get a standing ovation. Because her vision so

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Speaker 1: seamlessly stitches together economic justice and racial justice. That's not

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Speaker 1: something that can just be done by talking points. Right, Frankly,

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Speaker 1: Bernie's not as good as her on it. Pete uh

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Speaker 1: at negative percent in the polls with African American voters

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Speaker 1: is not as good on it, and she, I think

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Speaker 1: has a huge opportunity in South Carolina and Nevada to

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Speaker 1: have opportunity to have moments like that. I want to

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Speaker 1: go back to something that we've all been talking about,

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Speaker 1: and especially and you. This is you know, I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: the transplant here. I'm parachuting into your nuck in the

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Speaker 1: woods with the three all stars on the philadelph But

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Speaker 1: but seriously, down to Washington, I mean, the pundits, the

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Speaker 1: chattering class, they're all scratching their heads and they can't

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Speaker 1: understand why turnout is down for Democrats and that really listen.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we can glean too much information out

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Speaker 1: of the Democrats and running and the winnowing of the field.

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Speaker 1: But something's off. I mean, it feels off when I

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Speaker 1: was in De Moines, when I was in Bedford. You know,

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Speaker 1: something feels that turnout is down, and I'm curious is

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Speaker 1: it is it? Is it news fatigue, is it political fatigue?

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Speaker 1: Is it Trump fatigue? Or is it just I don't know?

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Speaker 1: But am I am I onto something here in my

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Speaker 1: way out. I mean, look, I think the two things

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Speaker 1: we've head on our program Bloomberg based business are one

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Speaker 1: the Democrats, and I don't say that they can't have

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Speaker 1: one yet. Well we've heard they don't have an inspirational

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Speaker 1: candidate at this point. They really don't. I mean, Warren

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Speaker 1: does attract a lot of energy within her circle, uh Buddha,

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Speaker 1: the same friend Hawk book, But they don't have a

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Speaker 1: transcendent candidate like Obama, like John Clinton, like Trump. The

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Speaker 1: other part that we hear a lot about is it

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Speaker 1: while they don't have a transcendent candidate, the other guys do.

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Speaker 1: I mean they he filled this this arena here in

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Speaker 1: Manchester last night with twelve thousand people. Now the chairman

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Speaker 1: of the Democratic Party for this date, Ray Buckley, said

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Speaker 1: here not long ago, right across from us, and said,

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Speaker 1: well none of those people are from New Hampshire. Well, okay,

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Speaker 1: that's a defense. Can I can I can I ask

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Speaker 1: you a follow up question on that particular point, because

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Speaker 1: we criticized Republicans rightfully, so we raised these questions, how

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Speaker 1: are they going to win the suburbs. Governor Sun really

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Speaker 1: seemed to push back on how on how Republicans need

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Speaker 1: to talk to two suburbs. Well, dare I say Democrats

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Speaker 1: got to take a page out of Raging Cajun James

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Speaker 1: Carville's book and what he's been out there saying that

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Speaker 1: they need to learn how to talk to to the

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Speaker 1: Penn State knitney Lyon crowd, to the l s U crowd.

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Speaker 1: Now you're using suburban voter interchangeable with swing voter, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I've heard they've gone from Republican to independent

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Speaker 1: and migrating to Democratics. So two things I think are happening. One,

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Speaker 1: it makes the Republican Party more and more concern VTIV.

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Speaker 1: And it makes the Democratic Party frankly more moderate. And

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Speaker 1: so that's a change. We're gonna have to see how

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Speaker 1: that plays out tonight and over the next two states,

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Speaker 1: because that is a change that the Republicans becoming much more.

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Speaker 1: That's why Donald Trump has as much as ninety No

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Speaker 1: Republican president has ever had that high in approval by

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Speaker 1: his own party. Ever, it was a size some high.

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Speaker 1: Adam Green, that you're the supporter of Elizabeth Warren, tell

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Speaker 1: us sometimes the the clues lie in the schedule. Tell

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Speaker 1: us about Elizabeth Warren over the next five to ten days,

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Speaker 1: where is she going? What's she doing? Well? First of

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Speaker 1: the next five tour, she will be here. He's not

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Speaker 1: going to South Carolina, like jump, yeah, you know she

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Speaker 1: actually is going to Virginia soon on the way to

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Speaker 1: other places. Like a great time for her to finally

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Speaker 1: give me another interview. I always can't believe I got

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Speaker 1: called out for saying that, Pea and and you're saying

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Speaker 1: this to me. I said it to Briantay the other day.

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Speaker 1: I totally in Congress. Come on, yes, go ahead, No,

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Speaker 1: I think that you know, she's running a national strategy

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Speaker 1: with the Big Huna being Super Tuesday, and it will

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Speaker 1: include South Carolina, it will include Nevada. But you know

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Speaker 1: the fact that she's coming to Virginia next, I think

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Speaker 1: is symbolic. That's the baka Hunallow me just to just

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Speaker 1: for a second to turn out question. Two things about that.

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Speaker 1: One I was knocking doors here and in Iowa. And

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Speaker 1: one thing I heard on the doors, which people who said,

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Speaker 1: you know, there's so many candidates, I feel guilty voting

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Speaker 1: because I don't know all of their policies. I'm just

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Speaker 1: gonna support whoever runs against Trump. So I wouldn't mistake

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Speaker 1: lower turnout for low energy for Democrats against Trump. The

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Speaker 1: other thing is, I do think it's significant for the

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Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders theory of the case. I said before that

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Speaker 1: when Biden's entire theory of the cases electability and he's

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Speaker 1: worth in the polls in the Democratic primary, that's not

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Speaker 1: very good. If part of Sanders strategy is I'm going

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Speaker 1: to have a revolutionary set of people storm the polls

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Speaker 1: and they don't, that also says something about his theory

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Speaker 1: of the case. Well, what does it say about the

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Speaker 1: quality of the Democratic candidates? If the Suffolk University Boston

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Speaker 1: Globe Pole is to be believed, and that in the

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Speaker 1: hours following the Iowa caucuses Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren

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Speaker 1: just fell from second and third place to fourth and

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Speaker 1: fifth place like that in seven days? What does that?

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Speaker 1: What does that say about the quality of the Democratic

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Speaker 1: field and how strongly supporters are you know, rallying around

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Speaker 1: a particular Canada. This broader point is the poll that

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Speaker 1: shows more in trending down and and a cent for

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Speaker 1: Sanders and British judge Yeah, I mean in the real

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Speaker 1: clear politics average, I think she's still third place. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's fine, but look again, but Biden. Biden is the one. No.

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Speaker 1: But I actually understand why that's being laughed at, because,

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Speaker 1: like again, Pete is at like four percent in California

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Speaker 1: and very low in the national polling. He's not spending

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Speaker 1: any time then, because what's important right now is Iowa,

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Speaker 1: New Hampshire. I don't know if wasn't it wasn't the

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Speaker 1: wine Cave in California, he was there. I thought we

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Speaker 1: were pasted the wine saves. I don't even drink, and

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Speaker 1: I'm still talking about wine cave. And you were listening

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Speaker 1: to a highbred and these highbreds are powerful. This one

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Speaker 1: sure is. Kevin's really host of Sound On. We are

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Speaker 1: the host of Bloomberg Based a business. Kim Karg and

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Speaker 1: Tom Roney short sleeve. We have two other gentlemen with us.

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Speaker 1: Adam Green is co founder of the Progressive Change Campaign Committee.

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Speaker 1: He's with Elizabeth Warren and Fred Hackberg, his former Export

902
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Speaker 1: Import Bank chairman. He's with Pete Buddha Judge. While we

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Speaker 1: have two of you, real live political activists, guys who

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Speaker 1: do real well in the radio. This is I have

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Speaker 1: a question for both of you about the Democrats. You

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Speaker 1: look at these guys in these women, and I don't

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Speaker 1: see a lot of humor there. Now, you may sivil,

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Speaker 1: what's humor got to do with it? Whether you like

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Speaker 1: him or not, Trump employees humor all the time. It's

910
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Speaker 1: a very powerful tool. I saw those Democratic candidates, some

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Speaker 1: of them were yours up on stage Friday night. They

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Speaker 1: were dour, they were humorless. They were people I don't

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Speaker 1: want to have a beer with. I think Bernie's funny. Well,

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Speaker 1: if you laughed, I gotta laugh. I think you're also

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Speaker 1: you're conflating. Frankly, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren have this

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Speaker 1: view of people being taken advantage of it's great and

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Speaker 1: corporate wealth and the corporate class that's holding people down.

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Speaker 1: I don't see that same dour view of America from

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Speaker 1: the other camera. I always feel like being lectured too.

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Speaker 1: Why Why can't they break out of character once in

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Speaker 1: a while and let's have a moment here. And I

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Speaker 1: sort of feel like that's been part of the appeal

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Speaker 1: for Amy Klobuchar. She has been a little more lighthearted,

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Speaker 1: she has been a little more real. She actually stood

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Speaker 1: on that stage and said, Hey, if you're somebody who

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Speaker 1: can't figure out how you're gonna pay your bills this month?

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Speaker 1: I got your back, you know that kind of thing.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's speak about that related to Elizabeth Warren and

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Speaker 1: we're looking at let's remember two, we're talking about the

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Speaker 1: two women here, and women are gonna some women are

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Speaker 1: going to go out and vote for a woman just

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Speaker 1: because they want to vote for a woman. If you've

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Speaker 1: got Amy Klobuchar, who maybe has a more momentum and

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Speaker 1: she's got a little bigger balance, isn't that a problem

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Speaker 1: for women who are just going to vote for a

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Speaker 1: women a woman. Wasn't that a problem for Elizabeth Warren? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And again there is a disconnect between how things come

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Speaker 1: across on TV and what is actually happened in the room.

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Speaker 1: I've been to a lot of Elizabeth Warren events. She

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Speaker 1: is really personal and quite funny in person um. But

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, when choosing in candidate,

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Speaker 1: what people are actually thinking about is what does this

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Speaker 1: mean for my kids, my family, my community. I think

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Speaker 1: there's women who vote they're looking for a woman. Yeah

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Speaker 1: that she and if Amy right now has got this bounce,

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Speaker 1: that that has to be concerning. I'm saying is that

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Speaker 1: if they're choosing between the two, I don't think they're

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Speaker 1: going to choose based on humor. I think they'll she

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Speaker 1: was based on Elizabeth Warren's planned for universal child care,

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Speaker 1: or canceling student debt, or things will actually impact their

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Speaker 1: family lives. Maybe it's ha ha, that's funny. Amy, i'men

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Speaker 1: to vote for Warren. I don't know, but I did

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Speaker 1: see actually, and I what there were some people choosing

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Speaker 1: between the two of them, and I think, actually, that's

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Speaker 1: a good thing for society. I was struck by Senator

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Speaker 1: Clover Chart at her route. I mean, having covered her

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Speaker 1: in Congress, she's much more aligned with the more McCain

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Speaker 1: ask establishment type of senator. But I was struck to

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Speaker 1: see her campaign. A lot of these folks I'm seeing,

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Speaker 1: including Senator Warren, I've never seen campaign before. I've only

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Speaker 1: seen them in the hearing room, taking on the heads

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Speaker 1: of the big banks and the and the thud Share

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Speaker 1: and all, and on the fred Akbards of the world.

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Speaker 1: But you know what was interesting about Klobachar is her pitch.

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Speaker 1: Kim seems to me to be listen centrist billionaire does

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Speaker 1: not equate to middle class. She's saying I am middle

967
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Speaker 1: class and uh and and that it's so nuanced, but

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Speaker 1: it's it's I think incredibly important for the contours and

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Speaker 1: dynamics of this race. And I do want to reset

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Speaker 1: because on my show, and I would love to throw

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Speaker 1: it out on the table here, but just to reset.

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Speaker 1: My name is Kevin Cereli. I'm the chief Washington correspondent

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Speaker 1: FRO Bloomberg Television of Bloomberg Radio, and I'm thrilled and grateful,

974
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Speaker 1: filled with so much gratitude to be learning from three

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Speaker 1: all stars of of Tom, Joe and Kim of course

976
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Speaker 1: Tom Roney, Joe short Sleeve. They are the host of

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Speaker 1: the Bay State Business Simulcast, and we're simulcasting today in

978
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Speaker 1: Boston on our Boston market as well as our Washington

979
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Speaker 1: d C. Market. We do this thing on my show

980
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: called What's your quick take on your Radar? Where you

981
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 1: where everyone says one thing that is their quick take

982
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Speaker 1: on their radar that maybe is a little in the

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Speaker 1: weeds or isn't getting enough play. And I would love

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Speaker 1: to hear from my colleagues and also from the panel

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Speaker 1: about what their quick take is on their radar. Um

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Speaker 1: who am I gonna put on the spot first. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna go with Fred. Did they yesterday? I would say, Um,

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Speaker 1: I think one the whole world, in the entire country

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Speaker 1: is really looking at tonight and in a way far

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Speaker 1: different than any of the year because of someone of

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Speaker 1: the even though Pete and Bernie came out ahead in

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Speaker 1: in in Iowa and Pete one by the traditional metrics,

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Speaker 1: Burnie by the other. But I think this stage is

994
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Speaker 1: going to be a little bit of a make or

995
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Speaker 1: break for for a number of the candidates. And I

996
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Speaker 1: don't know who's gonna win tonight. I know who I'd

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Speaker 1: like to win, But Bernie won by so much last time.

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Speaker 1: If he doesn't have that kind of big bounce, that

999
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Speaker 1: will be seen as a loss. And I think that's

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Speaker 1: right because he's been around here for a decade. Um.

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Speaker 1: And I would just add one other thing. You know,

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Speaker 1: all the Democrats running, Pete Bootage is actually the only

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Speaker 1: one who actually is in the middle class, lives in

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Speaker 1: the middle class house and does not have a million dollars,

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Speaker 1: unlike all of his all of his opponents. All right,

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Speaker 1: that's a good one. Go ahead. Um. You know, I

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Speaker 1: think coming out tonight, what's all my radars, voters in

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Speaker 1: South Carolina. I'm really curious how many of them moved

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Speaker 1: from the supporting someone to being undecided and where they

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Speaker 1: start moving to when they pick a candidate. I just

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Speaker 1: think it's gonna be a huge shuffling of the deck

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Speaker 1: in the near future after we leave New Hampshire Again,

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Speaker 1: why so before is the first four states are kind

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Speaker 1: of a preamble to Super Tuesday, But it represents a

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Speaker 1: constant reshuffling of the deck, a constant, constant reshuffling of expectations.

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Speaker 1: I think South Carolina will be the last springboard right

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Speaker 1: into Super Tuesday. Okay, but what but why? Why? It

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Speaker 1: will be the well class on the calendar. But why

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Speaker 1: is it significant? I mean, it really is. You know,

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Speaker 1: the caucus system in Avada is a little bit interesting.

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Speaker 1: It will be the next big primary where in the

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Speaker 1: first big primary with a racially diverse electric that is

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Speaker 1: more representative of Super Tuesday. So I think it will

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Speaker 1: just be the most accurate representation going to Super Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: I think I think in South Carolina you're gonna see

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden. It's last I mean, what we all have

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Speaker 1: been talking about Joe Biden's last name. But to Adam's point, Kim.

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Speaker 1: I think you know it's gonna be the gloves are

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Speaker 1: coming off. I mean, you're gonna see old school Biden.

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Speaker 1: I think you're already seeing it. I think you saw

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Speaker 1: it as attack at against Buddha Jedge. I think you're

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Speaker 1: gonna see it. And some of the conversations that have

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Speaker 1: been had, yes against former New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg.

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Speaker 1: I think it's gonna get real ugly, real fast. And

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Speaker 1: South Carolina traditionally is where it becomes a month fest.

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Speaker 1: So I think that's why he's there right now. By

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Speaker 1: the way, I think that the past couple of weeks,

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Speaker 1: when you watch things and you stand back and you

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Speaker 1: don't necessarily have a political point of view, you have

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Speaker 1: to look at the strength the political strength of Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: I mean, for him to have these approval ratings following

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Speaker 1: impeachment that are near record record levels. And then you know,

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Speaker 1: I watched the other day and Howard Dean was on

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Speaker 1: television talking about two thousand four and they, you know,

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Speaker 1: and they've talked about how that cost him, The Dean

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Speaker 1: Scream cost cost him, you know, his political future. And

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Speaker 1: I went back and I watched the Dean Scream and

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Speaker 1: you know what, it was nothing. It was nothing. But

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Speaker 1: today Donald Trump, and whether you love him or you don't,

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Speaker 1: he has normalized a certain particular behavior and people are

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Speaker 1: just sort of numb to it that he says something

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Speaker 1: that they're like, yeah, that's okay. And the fact that

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Speaker 1: he's normalized this behavior, the fact that its approval ratings

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Speaker 1: are up, the fact that he just I think the

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Speaker 1: past couple of the impeachment gone by. I just think

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Speaker 1: the past couple of weeks have really represent you know,

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Speaker 1: how strong candidate he really is well. And I would

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Speaker 1: follow up with that and sort of my quick take

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Speaker 1: care is again and I used the word transcendence a

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Speaker 1: few minutes ago, and I would go with that. I said,

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Speaker 1: I used the word humor, but it was in the

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Speaker 1: context of this. You look at the presidents who have

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Speaker 1: connected in a big way Obama, Clinton, Reagan, I mean

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Speaker 1: Republican and Democrat. They found a way to connect. Humor

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Speaker 1: is one way to connect. Warmth, there's another. Biden has

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Speaker 1: a little bit of that. I don't see a lot

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Speaker 1: of that in those candidates on stage Friday night. In fact,

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Speaker 1: in that regard, it looked like the JV because the

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Speaker 1: guy in the White House has found a way to connect.

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Speaker 1: And I think if the Democrats are going to hope

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Speaker 1: to be successful beyond the Hamphire, beyond this to the general,

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Speaker 1: somebody's going to find a way to be transcended and

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Speaker 1: get away from the policy papers on him Green. It's

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Speaker 1: not a conn It's about connection. And Democrats spend too

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Speaker 1: much time thinking about the head and I don't know

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Speaker 1: about the heart and emotion, how they connect with people

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Speaker 1: and the position paper aft, the position paper, the position

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Speaker 1: from She had a plan for everything. She has a

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Speaker 1: plan for everything, but that's not what people are here

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Speaker 1: in the room. Let me tell you a cook story.

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Speaker 1: And I mean it got named Wayne Minor, life long Republican,

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Speaker 1: but he better for Nixon and Reagan and Bush and

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Speaker 1: Bush and McCain and Romney and then Gary Johnson in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and sixteen, and he said that he started

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Speaker 1: crying when he heard Elizabeth Warren speak, and he said

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Speaker 1: it's because she told the story of growing up poor

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Speaker 1: in Oklahoma and her dad having a heart attack and

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Speaker 1: I'm almost losing the family home and her mom had

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Speaker 1: to go into the job market and was able to

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Speaker 1: save the family home with a minimum wage job, and

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Speaker 1: the story was, you can't do that in today's society.

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Speaker 1: And he's like, my dad had a heart attack when

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Speaker 1: I was ten and my mom had to go into

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Speaker 1: the job market, and his ears opened up to everything

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Speaker 1: she had to say after that, and he said that

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Speaker 1: he just keep the check her out because she was

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Speaker 1: in town and left actually committed to caucusing for her,

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Speaker 1: and he was a lifelong Republican. Room. Well, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about these small rooms. It's a big room. But

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Speaker 1: I agree with you. I mean, you know, on the

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Speaker 1: debate stage, it's tough in a seven person format to

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Speaker 1: get more than sixty seconds in edgewatse. But that's what

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Speaker 1: you're going to compare those two. Well, we'll see turns

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Speaker 1: the venue upside down. He makes, he takes control. You

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Speaker 1: know who understands tell you, I'm sorry, excuse. He under

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Speaker 1: watches so much television for the last twenty years, you know, listen,

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Speaker 1: and so you know you need someone who enjoys television

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Speaker 1: and it's really comfortable with it. Didn't we say the

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Speaker 1: same in some ways about Kennedy Nixon. Nixon showed up,

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Speaker 1: yet he has a heavy beard. I don't think I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's that he understands television. I think it's

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Speaker 1: that he understands social media. I think it's he understands

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Speaker 1: modern media and the way his legacy will not will

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Speaker 1: will not be respectfully, I would put forth, it will

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Speaker 1: be how he consumes modern media and how it fragmented media,

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Speaker 1: and how to penetrate each of those individual individual zones.

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Speaker 1: So just the flip of what everyone has just said,

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Speaker 1: now here's here's my my question. It's can you spend money,

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Speaker 1: get in late and still win a nomination. That's what

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at because Michael Bloomberg could very well make

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Speaker 1: a difference in this race, not connecting, not going to

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Speaker 1: somebody's living room, not talking, but instead spending money and

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Speaker 1: getting their name out and talking about how they can

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Speaker 1: beat the sitting president. Can that win cannot happen? I

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Speaker 1: gotta be candid here though. We're gonna find out and

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Speaker 1: about the next two weeks. I think the audio that

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Speaker 1: was released this morning has drawn criticism from former Vice

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Speaker 1: President Jill Biden. I didn't did Warren weigh in on it?

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Speaker 1: On this audio? I mean that was released about him

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Speaker 1: defending stop and frisk UH policies. I think I think

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Speaker 1: we're going to find out, you know, but what do

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Speaker 1: you think? I don't know. This is this again, I

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Speaker 1: think is very unconventional. This is unlike what we've seen

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Speaker 1: in years past. Have we ever had a candidate who

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Speaker 1: spent this kind of money, didn't go to the first

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Speaker 1: four states and you know this kind of thing. Let's

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Speaker 1: remind listeners, Michael Bloomberg is the majority owner of Bloomberg

1138
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Speaker 1: LP here, the parent company in Bloomberg Radio, which we

1139
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Speaker 1: are all on right now. I want to go back

1140
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Speaker 1: to our guests. This is a a double header? Is

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Speaker 1: Kevin surreally so aptly points out it's a sound on

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Speaker 1: his program with Bloomberg based Day Business. So a Patriots fans,

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Speaker 1: I don't think the lever get along, get along? This

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Speaker 1: is kind of weird. Who's well like our audience down

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Speaker 1: in d C and then you got Boston. It's just

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm a givern, none of take Let's get

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Speaker 1: Adam Marine is what Elizabeth Warren, Fred Hawkburg is with

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Speaker 1: Pete Boodha Judge. I want to ask you both to

1149
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Speaker 1: respond to this. If your candidate drops out, if and

1150
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: when who do you go to after that? Let's go

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Speaker 1: to Fred first year with Buddha judge, Who's who's number

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Speaker 1: two for you? Wow? I have this obviously who left?

1153
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Speaker 1: But but of the right now, the people left standing

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Speaker 1: right now could be Bloomberg, could be Bloomberg. I think

1155
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: you need to moderate. You know, as I made that

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Speaker 1: comment quickly about the Republicans leaving the suburbs and going

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Speaker 1: becoming Democrats. The party people do not like radical change.

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Speaker 1: They may excite a base, but it does not win elections.

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Speaker 1: I completely disagree with that. I'm not gonna answer that question,

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Speaker 1: but I will respond to that if I just want

1161
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 1: to understand before you talk, well that this would be

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Speaker 1: my prison for decision making and it does contract with that.

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00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 1: So I was in an uber couple of months ago

1164
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Speaker 1: and the driver heard me talking about politics and it

1165
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: was like, I voted for Trump? He said, I would

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Speaker 1: have voted for Bernie. I was like, let me ask

1167
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 1: you a question. Do you think Trump is shaking up

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Speaker 1: the system? And he, of course, do you think Bernie

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Speaker 1: it would shake up the system. He's like, yeah, Mike,

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Speaker 1: do you think Hillary or Biden would shake up the system?

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Speaker 1: He almost sort about the road, He's like, no, we're

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Speaker 1: you talking about I was like, do you think Elizabeth

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Speaker 1: Warren would chake up the system. Yes, so so many

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Speaker 1: things are not left versus right, but inside versus outside.

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Speaker 1: Your number two not not right now. I don't that's

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Speaker 1: a cop out, Isn't that right? Don't him back. I

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Speaker 1: really enjoyed this hour of radio with you. We have

1178
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Speaker 1: to feel like I was home. All we need is

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Speaker 1: a cheese steak. There we go. I'm going to my

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Speaker 1: uncle shop Friday. That's my light at the end of

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Speaker 1: the tunnel. I want to say thank you, thank you

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Speaker 1: to Adam, thank you to Fredam, to you three. All right,

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Speaker 1: Kevin s really he is the host of Sound On.

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Speaker 1: I'm Sam Roney with Joe shortz Ki Kargan. Joe. We

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Speaker 1: got another three hours after at seven o'clock. Tonie'll give

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00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: us a little up. Just be careful out there. It's Bloomberg, Bay, State,

1187
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 1: Business and Sound On altogether all at once. We're back

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Speaker 1: on at seven. Kevin's there with Bernie. This is