Speaker 1: Look mad oh, I see you? Why and look over there?
Speaker 1: How is that culture? Yes? Goodness, let's ding dong culture
Speaker 1: race is calling. Oh you know, I was just remarking
Speaker 1: to the non video participants on this zoom and I
Speaker 1: I had remarked that you and I have not really
Speaker 1: spoken to each other in several days, and I think
Speaker 1: that's good because it's sort of like we're, you know,
Speaker 1: saving the pop culture load up. You know, we're doing
Speaker 1: the no fab community reddit, you know, sort of philosophy
Speaker 1: of just um, you know, edging ourselves until we see
Speaker 1: each other. I mean, really, what we're gonna be doing
Speaker 1: here is catching up in real time. And also, let's
Speaker 1: just be fair to each other and say that we
Speaker 1: did spend a solid week together just the week before
Speaker 1: we did. We did so we were enjoying separate labor
Speaker 1: day weekends, and that's okay. How do you feel about um?
Speaker 1: Like Accordian cadence in friendships where it's like I see
Speaker 1: you a lot, a lot, a lot for a concentrated
Speaker 1: amount of time, and then I give you your space
Speaker 1: or you ask for space from me, or if I'm
Speaker 1: getting you too much space, you go, hey, you're giving
Speaker 1: me too much space, come back, come back. I feel
Speaker 1: like you and I have like this built in cadence
Speaker 1: around talking all the time with this podcast. But what
Speaker 1: do you what do you make of that? Well, let's
Speaker 1: just say I'm never worried about seeing you or corresponding
Speaker 1: with you because you are constant in my life, and
Speaker 1: I'm never feeling like, um, why the fund hasn't Boone
Speaker 1: texted me. I'm never angry. I'm always just like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'll check in with her. And also I don't feel
Speaker 1: like it's been that long. It hasn't. It's been like
Speaker 1: four days. But I'm sort of like, uh, thinking about, like,
Speaker 1: you know, in the extremes, like if I don't hear
Speaker 1: from you for let's say two weeks, that when I
Speaker 1: think right, right, right, But then I think, oh, but
Speaker 1: I saw Matt every hour of every day for you know,
Speaker 1: the four days before this two week period. I would think,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe this is healthy. I'm not. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of like thinking in terms of, um,
Speaker 1: what a healthy rhythm to a friendship could be. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, I believe it was Mariah Carrey who once said,
Speaker 1: while so obsessed with me, boy, I wanna enough you
Speaker 1: know what is an incredible song and I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: I'm gonna really support my sister and gas up my
Speaker 1: sister here. But one time, Matt Rogers, we were in
Speaker 1: the green we were in the green room for a
Speaker 1: show at ECB. I forget what show it was. I
Speaker 1: know it was popular. That's amazing Earth, amazing Earth. But
Speaker 1: this tune just came to you and I had to
Speaker 1: record it. Should I perform it? I think you should
Speaker 1: perform it? And what's well, well, I don't think you
Speaker 1: need to sort of introduce it and or just set
Speaker 1: up the title or anything. I think you can just
Speaker 1: sing it. No, this is what the song is. Okay, ready,
Speaker 1: He's a little obsessed with me. He's a little obsessed
Speaker 1: with me. He's a little obsessed than me in the
Speaker 1: morning and night. He's a little obsessed with me. When
Speaker 1: I say, all right, he's a little obsessed with me.
Speaker 1: He's a little obsessed with me. That's such such a
Speaker 1: good huck. I don't know why that song came to me,
Speaker 1: but I think maybe it was someone was acting a
Speaker 1: little obsessed with me, and I was like, he's a
Speaker 1: little obsessed with me. Yeah, good luck getting that ear
Speaker 1: worm out of your head, you readers. It's really burrowed
Speaker 1: its way in for me personally. All these years later,
Speaker 1: I think I was just you know, doing the dishes,
Speaker 1: and I thought he's a little that the interval of
Speaker 1: obsessed with me, Like, that's so good. I recently came
Speaker 1: up with a new song while Jared was playing video games?
Speaker 1: Do you want to hear what it is? Have I
Speaker 1: heard it? Well, maybe you heard it because he likes
Speaker 1: to sing it a lot. But um, Jared was playing
Speaker 1: video games, and I don't really play video games, as
Speaker 1: you know. I kind of just like either watch or
Speaker 1: do something else when people are playing video games towards me. Um,
Speaker 1: but I actually kind of just I sort of got
Speaker 1: this groove in my head and it became a hit song.
Speaker 1: It was I love the way he plays A love
Speaker 1: the way he plays A love the way he plays,
Speaker 1: love the way he plays, love the way he play
Speaker 1: And it really it never ends, so there's no more words.
Speaker 1: I love the way, I love the way he plays,
Speaker 1: and it's just he plays I love this. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: really it's it's a very sexy song. Well, it's the
Speaker 1: way it please your man. It's the inverse of video
Speaker 1: Games by Lonald L. Ray. It's like she's saying about
Speaker 1: how she hates how she hates the way he plays
Speaker 1: those video games, and you you're the partner who's like,
Speaker 1: I love the way he plays, and fact you're so
Speaker 1: emphatic about loving the way he plays that you that's
Speaker 1: all you can really express in the song. Musically, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's really very plain, and I think that Lana could
Speaker 1: learn a lot from me musically. I think, did you
Speaker 1: hear today she um? She did an interview with what's
Speaker 1: his face? With Oh, the guy who is really good?
Speaker 1: Um Bruno Mars Jack Antonov. Oh, yeah, it could have
Speaker 1: been um, the guy who is really really good. It's
Speaker 1: actually a really culture number. The guy who was really
Speaker 1: good could be either Bruno or Jack. But Lana Tolbi
Speaker 1: was doing this interview with Jack Antonof and I think
Speaker 1: it was published today, and she was like, despite her
Speaker 1: Grammy wins and like her record sales and all this,
Speaker 1: she's like, I will always be an underdog, which it
Speaker 1: feels like, it feels like I don't know about that.
Speaker 1: I would actually agree because I think that the reason
Speaker 1: why Lana del Rey can claim underdoghood, I think is
Speaker 1: because She's never going to be known as like a
Speaker 1: great singer or performer. She kind of relies on her
Speaker 1: um artistry, like she kind of relies on her songwriting
Speaker 1: and her musicianship. But the songwriting aspect is new. People
Speaker 1: are never going to think like, oh, you know, who's
Speaker 1: a gag every single time? Like knockdown, drag out Lana
Speaker 1: del Right. I think Lana del Right has like die
Speaker 1: hard fans, but I understand why she would claim underdog status.
Speaker 1: But I feel like a couple of things. I feel
Speaker 1: like it's a fairly recent development that everyone is universally
Speaker 1: like she's an incredible songwriter, which I think what she is.
Speaker 1: I think we can all agree despite what you what
Speaker 1: what reservations anyone has about Lana Um, you know, Norman
Speaker 1: fucking rock Well was it was a really really impressive achievement. Um.
Speaker 1: But this sort of like echoes. It has the same
Speaker 1: like subtext as when she back in June or late
Speaker 1: May was like kind of like low key dissing like
Speaker 1: all these black female artists being like I can't be
Speaker 1: a sexually realized person as in my musical persona the
Speaker 1: way that like Beyonce and Nikki and Rihanna and like
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh wait, like this is my thing.
Speaker 1: It's like if you were constantly in trining yourself in
Speaker 1: a victim and narrative, then like, is that is that
Speaker 1: good or bad? I'm just like I feel like I
Speaker 1: should just be very happy with the career, she said,
Speaker 1: And she's going to develop it. She's gonna build out
Speaker 1: even more, even though she's like she has all this
Speaker 1: like weird baggage now post post June. But like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was, I think that in her life and her
Speaker 1: daily life, is she an underdog? No? I mean she's
Speaker 1: like a rich, white, gorgeous woman, so she's not an underdog.
Speaker 1: I think in terms of um her music and the
Speaker 1: way that she's perceived. I could see herself thinking that
Speaker 1: she's an underdog. And I can understand her saying that
Speaker 1: because I don't think she's like a huge, huge, huge
Speaker 1: commercial success or like she's her critical success. But I
Speaker 1: don't know. But this is this is my relative of
Speaker 1: it today. Yeah, okay, okay, my perception of it is
Speaker 1: I get wise, she says. I understand where she's coming from. Obviously,
Speaker 1: when you contextualize it with the way that she spoke
Speaker 1: about all those women like it's shitty. Um, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I also have to I have to be fully honest.
Speaker 1: I don't think of her that much. Me neither, but
Speaker 1: I really don't care. I am trying to synthesize all
Speaker 1: these like thoughts that I've had around like oh, like
Speaker 1: I don't know, I've just I've just noticed this thing
Speaker 1: now where people are like I'm trying to do it
Speaker 1: less than my life too, where I'm like woe is me,
Speaker 1: Like I'm having such a hard go of it, where
Speaker 1: it's like wait, like you should actually just yeah, it's
Speaker 1: lately I have, it's been. Maybe it's just because like
Speaker 1: in quarantine, you deal with all the same people again
Speaker 1: and again and again, and you deal with yourself every
Speaker 1: single day, day in and day out and day out.
Speaker 1: But I have a come really sensitive to to that mentality,
Speaker 1: like the like I'm just so tired of hearing people complain,
Speaker 1: like every and everyone can complain, but everyone can complain
Speaker 1: just like I'm also allowed to I'm allowed to be
Speaker 1: annoyed with it though, because and also I think I
Speaker 1: think people can be annoyed with me too, Like anything
Speaker 1: that I say, if you want to be annoyed you're entitled,
Speaker 1: it's quarantine whatever. I just think, like, you know, I
Speaker 1: guess it's because I'm friends with a lot of entertainment
Speaker 1: industry people are like whatever, but hearing concerns about like
Speaker 1: what's happening with the entertainment industry, I'm like, Okay, this
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter to me, like you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just and Lana thinking she's an underdog is like
Speaker 1: I get a girl, but like also no, but okay, yeah, sure, okay,
Speaker 1: so it's okay, we're on the same page. That's good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think that Lana is just hey, you
Speaker 1: know what you don't think of her? What I don't
Speaker 1: think of her? And then you know, what's another thing
Speaker 1: that bothers me sometimes, Like remember when we were talking
Speaker 1: about Wildest Dreams by Taylor and you were like, this
Speaker 1: is Lana Drag. I was like, oh god, I would
Speaker 1: never even think of Lana. But then what sort of
Speaker 1: There were some songs on folklore that were Launa Drag,
Speaker 1: but not too many. I feel like it was it
Speaker 1: was it was Taylor was doing Laana Dragon in different
Speaker 1: eras of Lana, which I think is fine. I mean,
Speaker 1: I still believe that folklore is fantastic, and it's fantastic,
Speaker 1: but but I feel like if there was Lanna Drag,
Speaker 1: it was happening on folklore and not necessarily, but that's
Speaker 1: how I feel. But here's the thing. We're dancing around
Speaker 1: the subject, and I think I know what the subject.
Speaker 1: We're dancing around it because I don't think either of
Speaker 1: us want to say how we felt about Mulan, but
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about it. We got to talk
Speaker 1: about it. There's a lot to talk about. Do you
Speaker 1: want to take the floor. So Disney released their latest
Speaker 1: animated to live action adaptation of one of their Golden
Speaker 1: Age movies, the Renaissance Movies. This time it was Mulan.
Speaker 1: And you know, they love to take liberties with things
Speaker 1: in the films to make them feel current and make
Speaker 1: them feel you know, just cool and and and and
Speaker 1: snappy and fun. I mean, you know, Jennie gets his
Speaker 1: dick sucked in Aladdin and the remake. That's wonderful. That's
Speaker 1: a new thing that we needed to see. I feel
Speaker 1: like Mulan was kind of just soulless. Unfortunately, some good performances,
Speaker 1: um great technical sort of achievement in the film itself,
Speaker 1: but as far as a as far as capturing sort
Speaker 1: of the reason why we as an audience love the
Speaker 1: original animated Mulan. Um. I felt the same way watching
Speaker 1: this version of Mulan the way I did when I
Speaker 1: watched the live action Aladdin, where I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this just this just makes me want to watch you know,
Speaker 1: the source material. So that's like my that's like my
Speaker 1: like diplomatic, Like I don't even if that if that
Speaker 1: was diplomatic, that's just like my general feeling towards it.
Speaker 1: I would say you you were very um, you were
Speaker 1: very kind in that negative review, because I'm not going
Speaker 1: to be This movie was fucking garbage. Who was it for?
Speaker 1: It was for no one. It certainly wasn't for kids.
Speaker 1: It certainly wasn't for fans of the original. It wasn't
Speaker 1: for people who like good movies. It was for people
Speaker 1: who maybe love screensavers. It was for people who like
Speaker 1: It was for people who like to leave their Apple
Speaker 1: TV on and those Apple TV screensavers come on. They
Speaker 1: would love this movie Milan. Let's talk about the fact
Speaker 1: that they said cut the songs, add the sand, honey,
Speaker 1: there was there what the hell? There was one set
Speaker 1: piece this entire movie. It felt like just the sand
Speaker 1: I was shot, they shot and see young, which is
Speaker 1: like very controversial of them. Well then maybe they shouldn't
Speaker 1: have done it for that reason and the fact that
Speaker 1: it was born ring. It was just like there was
Speaker 1: a whole lot of nothing in this. Then let's talk
Speaker 1: about the characters. Mulan. So you took away her entire
Speaker 1: inner monologue because we didn't hear ship, because we didn't
Speaker 1: hear any of the songs, We didn't know what she
Speaker 1: was feeling. You took away all the humor and character
Speaker 1: of her. She was no longer a class that didn't
Speaker 1: fit in with the culture and the society that she
Speaker 1: was in. She was now just like had a power
Speaker 1: that she couldn't talk about. Her sister was a klutz
Speaker 1: and during the tea, during the tea pouring ceremony, she
Speaker 1: like has to save her sister instead of herself. Mulan
Speaker 1: was nothing. There was nothing to her character. It was
Speaker 1: literally like so ridiculous. And how do you pronounce this
Speaker 1: flu Uh? Yeah, Louie so always her lou is her
Speaker 1: last name. Yeah, but yeah, but that that's so you
Speaker 1: can you can the way you said, it's perfect lou perfect.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you Feilu, the beautiful, glamorous actress who
Speaker 1: plays Mulan. She's fine. She can give you a single tear,
Speaker 1: that's for sure. She and also found out she is
Speaker 1: a singer, which made this even worse. But they took
Speaker 1: everything out of this that was fun to the point
Speaker 1: where it was like hard to watch. I'm sitting there
Speaker 1: like forty five minutes in, dehydrated with boredom. And this
Speaker 1: is still with Gongli slaying. Gongli is slaying in the film.
Speaker 1: She looks stunning. The cheekbones are sitting honey, that she
Speaker 1: looks absolutely perfect. She's giving you a performance with nothing.
Speaker 1: She plays this which character they made up for this movie,
Speaker 1: who didn't make any sense at all. And then spoiler alert,
Speaker 1: I'll give you a second to put to flip flip ahead,
Speaker 1: she dies and doesn't have to Yeah, yeah she did.
Speaker 1: She did not have to die. Like and also, I
Speaker 1: don't even get me started on the love story, which
Speaker 1: when you make this live action, makes no sense because
Speaker 1: the guy who's plays the love interest is coming on
Speaker 1: to her as a dude and presenting presenting sex. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but my toxic patriarchal thought around the love interest. He
Speaker 1: was great. I mean, you know, given the source and
Speaker 1: given the given the material, but he needed to be
Speaker 1: about six inches taller. He was the same heighth at Mulan.
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, I'm sorry. This is so heteronormative. That's reductive.
Speaker 1: This is I know, and I'm and I'm owning up
Speaker 1: to it. I know. It's very it's very like women
Speaker 1: small man big. But like the chemistry was just was
Speaker 1: not there was not there between the two of them. Well,
Speaker 1: his performance was directed horribly because he comes in laying
Speaker 1: it on so thick that he wants to fun boy
Speaker 1: Mulan like. He's literally laying in the bed next to
Speaker 1: boy Mulan like making eyes like if anyone ever approached
Speaker 1: me and did these things, I would be sucking them
Speaker 1: in seconds if they look like that. Meanwhile, it's like,
Speaker 1: is he gay? Like? And then he comes over in
Speaker 1: the water. His body is pulsating with heat. He's so
Speaker 1: ripped and hot, and Mulana's like, leave me alone, and
Speaker 1: he's like dejected because literally the boy he wanted to
Speaker 1: fuck in the water turned him down, and that didn't
Speaker 1: make any sense. It made no sense. And then you
Speaker 1: find out that she is a woman when she comes
Speaker 1: back to battle with a full blowout, and he's like, actually,
Speaker 1: I actually we should trust her and I love her actually,
Speaker 1: and they have the hand grazing thing at the end.
Speaker 1: He doesn't even go back to the town, which is
Speaker 1: a good scene at the end of the movie. Yes,
Speaker 1: we were robbed. We were robbed of a scene where
Speaker 1: Mulan slices her hair off with the sword, which in
Speaker 1: you're not gonna do that. You're not gonna say, like, still,
Speaker 1: you can be a strong woman and have like this,
Speaker 1: this like non traditional hairstyle. You're gonna make her come
Speaker 1: back with an impossible blowout. Isn't that montage in the
Speaker 1: animated version so iconic? And they just skipped to the
Speaker 1: part where she like decides she's going to go to war,
Speaker 1: and then like cut, she's in the er and she's
Speaker 1: on the horse, and they like it's like, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: you skipped like such an important and like act break
Speaker 1: into the like in the movie where it's like, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, this doesn't like trapped And before I forget,
Speaker 1: separating the love interest with the general was such a
Speaker 1: dumb move because then it just removed the stakes from
Speaker 1: both of those characters. I mean there's just like why
Speaker 1: why does why do we care that? Like she like
Speaker 1: confesses to them what I do sort of I see
Speaker 1: what the movie was trying to do with um avoiding
Speaker 1: like the trauma of being outed, and she decides for
Speaker 1: herself that she's gonna like she's she's she decides she's
Speaker 1: going to tell people that she's a woman. Um, but
Speaker 1: I feel like there's no like I don't know, like
Speaker 1: none of it. It's there's no connective tissue from one
Speaker 1: moment to the next where she's like, I'm a woman. Um.
Speaker 1: I decided in the Sulfur Mind that I was gonna
Speaker 1: like be true to myself and like the loyal, brave
Speaker 1: and truth thing was called back nine thousand, seventy girl
Speaker 1: laying it on the thickest. It was just it was
Speaker 1: just I'm just like damn like Disney for some reason,
Speaker 1: like they can't get it right. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's a miss Eger thing, but it's like all of
Speaker 1: these you haven't had one good live action remake except
Speaker 1: maybe what like Jungle Book, Like I didn't I heard
Speaker 1: his great I'm literally holding my breath for the Little
Speaker 1: Mermaids because it's just like it better be better than
Speaker 1: all this garbage because this Mulan movie, I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: like this sounds weird to say, but it was, like,
Speaker 1: you know, the reason that they split up the Leshan
Speaker 1: character into two was because they felt it would be
Speaker 1: inappropriate for her to have a like that, for for
Speaker 1: the sexual love interest to be her trainer, her boss,
Speaker 1: her superior. But it's like, guys, it wasn't. It wasn't.
Speaker 1: It wasn't. And I said, maybe I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: You laid it on way too thick with this new
Speaker 1: character you've created, and that makes me feel like this
Speaker 1: feels insane to say, but this movie was two PC.
Speaker 1: It was like two concerned with like being received well
Speaker 1: that it was like literally not art. Also, the colors
Speaker 1: were so like oversaturated. It was bad. It was action,
Speaker 1: wasn't thrilling. No, we I watched it on a good
Speaker 1: TV and the menu went to menu and I set
Speaker 1: it up just right because I couldn't have been more
Speaker 1: excited to watch this when the trailer came out, like
Speaker 1: you know, we were so excited. It looked so good,
Speaker 1: and then you really realize, like this story does not
Speaker 1: work without the music and it really doesn't work when
Speaker 1: you throw in all these other complicating factors. And I'm
Speaker 1: not saying put Mushu in, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I understand why there's like no Mushu, no trickery, shenanigans,
Speaker 1: nothing like that, no animated characters, but you created so
Speaker 1: many complicators, Like can anyone describe to me in a
Speaker 1: sentence or two what the relationship between Gangli and Mulan was?
Speaker 1: What was that story? It was just like I've been
Speaker 1: ostracized to come with me. I mean, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: like it's it's truly it's so thinly applied. And Gongle
Speaker 1: deserved better. Even though she was the best part of
Speaker 1: the movie. She was by far the best part of
Speaker 1: the movie because she's one of the best actresses in
Speaker 1: the world. Famed Chinese bitch. She is the grand Diva,
Speaker 1: she is the bitch goddess of the world. And honestly,
Speaker 1: why was there Why couldn't she have just been the
Speaker 1: one antagonist? I know, I know, like who do we
Speaker 1: care about? Like the general, the leader of the other side.
Speaker 1: I gotta say, like, I just, I just we really
Speaker 1: got to give props to the original animated feature Hello
Speaker 1: it's so good. And after the movie ended, I watched
Speaker 1: one song from it, You'll You'll bring Her to Us all,
Speaker 1: and I was like, this three so so much better
Speaker 1: than that entire movie. And Make a Man out of
Speaker 1: You is just so such perfect. It's such a perfect
Speaker 1: vehicle to like show the audience that they're all getting
Speaker 1: better and they're all becoming competent warriors. And then like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just it's just such a solid film.
Speaker 1: And my favorite favorite part that gives me chills every
Speaker 1: time I watch it is when um, you know she
Speaker 1: chases First of all, I think it's the best Disney
Speaker 1: villain death in all of Disney history, is when um,
Speaker 1: oh god, what's the general's name? It doesn't matter, um
Speaker 1: the leader of anyway, he like finally like chases her
Speaker 1: up to the roof of the of the Imperial Palace
Speaker 1: and then she all she has as a fan and
Speaker 1: he goes it looks like you're running out of ideas.
Speaker 1: She takes, He stabs her, He swings at her, she
Speaker 1: grabs the sword with her fan, flips it disarms him.
Speaker 1: It's like so well done, and it's like a thing
Speaker 1: of like, oh, she's weaponizing her femininity and like whatever,
Speaker 1: she's like using it to like disarm and then like
Speaker 1: he gets killed by fireworks, so fun, so like well executed.
Speaker 1: And then in this one it's like she kills the
Speaker 1: guy by kicking an arrow back at him. Girl on
Speaker 1: a construction site in the middle of this like desert. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this it sucked. And honestly, I was just like, you're
Speaker 1: waiting the whole movie for that amazing set piece at
Speaker 1: the palace, like that incredible battle. And before I was
Speaker 1: talking to Greta about them, who also hated it, she
Speaker 1: was like, I think that, you know, when she's swinging
Speaker 1: on the Chinese lamps, like maybe they didn't want to
Speaker 1: be insensitive. And I'm like, no, that is so annoying.
Speaker 1: Like I was like that, if that is it, then congratulations.
Speaker 1: The movie is way worse for wear because you you
Speaker 1: just extended the same set piece we've been watching for
Speaker 1: an hour and a literal half, but also not for nothing.
Speaker 1: But what what's insensitive about them? But having the final
Speaker 1: climax at the palace, I don't think that was it.
Speaker 1: And then they just got lazy. Yeah, put a bit
Speaker 1: in the sensitivity thing. What I do you want to say?
Speaker 1: Is also what gives me chills every time I watched
Speaker 1: the animated is when the entire like crowd bows to
Speaker 1: her and they're all they're all watching this chase sequence.
Speaker 1: It's like it's so thrilling. It felt like, you know,
Speaker 1: like an Avenger's like third act thing before that, before
Speaker 1: those were like, you know, commonplace in cinema. I was
Speaker 1: just like, oh, this is so fun. It's like a
Speaker 1: big like showdown, like with a crowd watching, like that's
Speaker 1: so cool. And then what the sensitivity thing? It's so
Speaker 1: funny because nobody bts was East Asian, I mean almost nobody.
Speaker 1: You had white writer's, white director, you know, white producers,
Speaker 1: and you're just like, oh wait, like who cares if
Speaker 1: you're insensitive? What's insensitive is that you shot this in
Speaker 1: sins young where like it's the sight of like a
Speaker 1: wild Chinese political firestorm, And it's like, why, I don't know,
Speaker 1: there's no sensitivity here that I don't We're giving them
Speaker 1: too much credit for thinking that it was insensitive for
Speaker 1: her to be like grabbing a Chinese lantern, which existed.
Speaker 1: You know, It's like I don't know that there's just
Speaker 1: so many tonal things that were wrong with the film.
Speaker 1: I hated how the film was basically the original animated
Speaker 1: feature up until the battle sequences were for at least
Speaker 1: like twenty minutes, it became Crouching Tiger Jr. For kids,
Speaker 1: And it's just like, oh wait, like you can't you
Speaker 1: gotta have an even mixture here. It can't be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this chunk is where we make it like a fun
Speaker 1: war film and she's riding a horse with the blowout
Speaker 1: and then the rest of it is like a water
Speaker 1: down version of what we loved about the animated Future,
Speaker 1: where yeah, you're right, we don't hear her in a monologue.
Speaker 1: We don't know, we don't know anything about her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like there's no like you know that she's got this
Speaker 1: ability and her dad says, tamper that down because people
Speaker 1: couldn't handle it. Well that now that you know, that's
Speaker 1: the case, Like that is her entire personality has a secret,
Speaker 1: which is not a personality, whereas the animated Mulan was
Speaker 1: you know, tom boyish and goofy and you know, not
Speaker 1: in her body when it came to you know, being
Speaker 1: the quote unquote perfect or you know woman that you
Speaker 1: could that you could the perfect bride. You know, she
Speaker 1: did not fit into the mold of being a woman
Speaker 1: of that time in that culture, and you got that
Speaker 1: very clearly, whereas this movie made deliberate choices to say, no,
Speaker 1: it's not that, it's just that she has a power
Speaker 1: which is really unclear. And then it's even more unclear
Speaker 1: later when Gongli the Witch is like, you're just like me,
Speaker 1: and and so now we're like, okay, is she just
Speaker 1: like her? Could she turn into like a burden ship?
Speaker 1: Like what exactly is going on here? And not for nothing?
Speaker 1: But all of this would have been easier to take
Speaker 1: had the movie just not been so dreadfully boring. And
Speaker 1: I don't understand what Disney thought they were fixing, like
Speaker 1: by making a Disney movie without humor or music, like
Speaker 1: when that was the touchstones of the original film. Yes, um,
Speaker 1: we should I should correct that. There was one ep
Speaker 1: William Kong. He's from Hong Kong, has worked on House
Speaker 1: of Flying Diggers and Crouching Tiger, and in an interview,
Speaker 1: the director Nikki Kara said he was the one who
Speaker 1: encouraged is me to consider non Chinese directors, which, well,
Speaker 1: he's wrong. I it feels like I don't. I don't know,
Speaker 1: and it's also just like okay, well then you're you're
Speaker 1: you're putting sort of the responsibility on this one person
Speaker 1: and sort of like shirking the blame by being like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: this is the one Chinese guy we had as an EP,
Speaker 1: like had the individual responsibility and the power to be
Speaker 1: like to make this okay, which is sort of flawed,
Speaker 1: but regardless of regardless of like whatever decisions were made,
Speaker 1: like what we have is what we see, and like,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but the movie started to sort of get
Speaker 1: better for me for a second when she took her
Speaker 1: hair out, took her armor off, and arrived back in
Speaker 1: battle with with coming straight from the dry bar, like
Speaker 1: without a vest and like able to kick everyone's ass.
Speaker 1: I was like, cool, So this is like bordering on
Speaker 1: camp now, so maybe this should have been camp from
Speaker 1: the beginning, which means like I don't know, include the
Speaker 1: songs like I don't get this, like weird minimalist, but
Speaker 1: not thing they're doing. The sets are so grand. It's Disney.
Speaker 1: You've got the best actresses um for these parts doing
Speaker 1: it like you have people that are able to do this,
Speaker 1: but you're you come se and Another thing is like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, if you've looked at all these reviews,
Speaker 1: I believe they bought good reviews. I don't think that
Speaker 1: any any film reviewer worth their salt could in good
Speaker 1: conscience give this a good review. I think they're giving
Speaker 1: it a good review because they know what a difficult
Speaker 1: time it is right now for the film industry, and
Speaker 1: they really need this to succeed. And I guess I
Speaker 1: hope it does. But it's a shame that this movie
Speaker 1: is what it is. But there's like a weird too
Speaker 1: big to fail notion that we're attounting to Disney, which
Speaker 1: is like we love Disney with you you and I
Speaker 1: love Disney, um, but it's it's just so interesting. I
Speaker 1: do want to shout out you know, rosslyn Chowan, you
Speaker 1: and um Zema. I mean there are there are, there
Speaker 1: are good performances in this film. I think it didn't
Speaker 1: hit because also you know this, like the relationship between
Speaker 1: Mulan and her father, that's like, that's like classic stuff
Speaker 1: when they sit after after in the original movie, in
Speaker 1: the animated movie, when she messes up at the tea
Speaker 1: spilling ceremonial, or like her test with the matchmakers, in
Speaker 1: the garden and her dad sits down next to her
Speaker 1: and says, you know, look at all these beautiful flowers
Speaker 1: are in bloom, and that one hasn't yet, but I
Speaker 1: believe that when that one blooms a little bit later
Speaker 1: than everyone else, it will be the most beautiful. And like,
Speaker 1: I'm about to cry. Yeah, that's such. It's book ended
Speaker 1: when she comes back home after everything presents him the
Speaker 1: sword in the medal and he doesn't even look at it,
Speaker 1: throws it aside and hugs or oh my god, and
Speaker 1: he's sitting there and I felt like, it's crazy, you
Speaker 1: literally had that source material map it out for you
Speaker 1: and still that that moment at the end didn't emotionally hit.
Speaker 1: I feel like the original the animated feature is I'm
Speaker 1: going to call it perfect, and I feel like they
Speaker 1: I feel like they took liberties and wanted and like
Speaker 1: sort of hubristically thought, well, we can try to modify
Speaker 1: and improve this. It's like you can't. It's you might
Speaker 1: just just just stick us. I mean they kind of
Speaker 1: just beat for being stuck pretty closely to it, but
Speaker 1: just hollowed out, like all the emotion except for the
Speaker 1: except for the battle sequence where the way that the
Speaker 1: way that she provoked the avalanche didn't even make sense.
Speaker 1: It made no sense. I was like sitting there, like
Speaker 1: what just happened. It's it's so perfect in the animated
Speaker 1: where she just like it's hopeless. They're all about to die.
Speaker 1: They have one cannon left. And then she like sees
Speaker 1: from the reflection of her sword, oh my god, there's
Speaker 1: a huge mound of snow on that mountain and then
Speaker 1: like grabs mooshoe goes and then like that. That's such
Speaker 1: a perfect scene in that movie. And it and one
Speaker 1: of the first animated movies to u c G I
Speaker 1: because they had to c G I. All those um,
Speaker 1: all the huns coming down the mountain. UM just like
Speaker 1: technically such an epic. The original movie is epic, like
Speaker 1: balances the epic tone that it needs, that the story needs,
Speaker 1: and it bounces the fun and like the queer aspects
Speaker 1: of this story and all of these things and the
Speaker 1: action and like it's it's I think it's such a
Speaker 1: well executed movie. And this movie just barely barely barely
Speaker 1: met that occasion and to recreate that and then I
Speaker 1: do want to say that um with the Phoenix of
Speaker 1: it all Julio tore I was talking to Julio about this,
Speaker 1: and Julio Torres says, all the shots of the phoenix
Speaker 1: flying were very like earn your sky miles. It was
Speaker 1: literally a commercial for Delta for Delta or like for
Speaker 1: some for like you know, China East Airlines or something
Speaker 1: where it's like, wait a minute, like what are we
Speaker 1: are we supposed to like just be wild by the
Speaker 1: fact that it's a phoenix, Like I don't know, like
Speaker 1: like let me, let me ask you a question. So
Speaker 1: when when Mulan leaves in the beginning, um and the
Speaker 1: dad like sort of like praise to that medallion, was
Speaker 1: that the phoenix was okay? So now it makes sense
Speaker 1: to me because like he said, he's like spiritually sends
Speaker 1: the phoenix along to guide her. Yes, but then the phoenix,
Speaker 1: the phoenix just sort of like flies alongside her and
Speaker 1: then or was there when she like at the sulfur
Speaker 1: mine or whatever? I guess, but I don't know. I
Speaker 1: feel like I feel like I feel like you need
Speaker 1: Like Mushoe is such a perfect character. The Grandma in
Speaker 1: the original, such a perfect character because she's comic relief
Speaker 1: and she's like and she's like a tune to the ancestors,
Speaker 1: so she's like, ancestors, please protect Mulan. And then that's
Speaker 1: when you the smoke travels to the to the temple,
Speaker 1: to the shrine, and then you you meet Mushu and
Speaker 1: that's such a fun story. We has to prove himself again.
Speaker 1: It's like so well thought out in terms of like
Speaker 1: the plot, and this is just like so badly constructed
Speaker 1: and not even not even badly constructed, and like like, yes,
Speaker 1: if you were to look at the script on paper,
Speaker 1: it would work. But the fact of the matter is
Speaker 1: you can't just ignore the fact that we have the
Speaker 1: original movie to compare it to. And it's not like
Speaker 1: it came out a hundred years ago. You know, this
Speaker 1: came out when we were children. You know, a lot
Speaker 1: of Disney Um families now have seen this movie. Like
Speaker 1: I guess with all these live action remix it seems
Speaker 1: like the question I have after every single one is like,
Speaker 1: to what end? Like, to what end do we have? Milan?
Speaker 1: Y'all probably are going to make a ton of money,
Speaker 1: that's for sure, and maybe people will be interested again
Speaker 1: in the original, But it's not like this was like
Speaker 1: some I think the original movie was more of a
Speaker 1: nod so the culture and was more respectful and more
Speaker 1: like all encompassing of like all the beauty of the culture,
Speaker 1: and like it really my family watched we were My
Speaker 1: family watched that when we were young, and we were like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is so fun, Like this is
Speaker 1: like we just appreciated the fact that, like it was
Speaker 1: a Chinese movie about a Chinese myth and like all
Speaker 1: these and like culturally it seemed authentic, even though like
Speaker 1: that was also like you know, hell and by all
Speaker 1: these white people. But you know, I would like I
Speaker 1: bought the VHS when it came out, watched obsessively. They
Speaker 1: were all these futurets like around like you know, how
Speaker 1: they researched everything about you know, sort of like the
Speaker 1: the embellished details of the myth at the time or whatever.
Speaker 1: So I feel like it's there, there's a model of
Speaker 1: this being successfully done, even if you take out the
Speaker 1: representation aspects of it BTS, which is like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's not like the biggest issue, but it is
Speaker 1: tell it's sort of like sets up all the failures
Speaker 1: that this live action Munich is. Well, I feel like
Speaker 1: what I what it felt like they were going to do.
Speaker 1: When the trailer came out, which I was kind of
Speaker 1: on board with, was I heard they were taking out
Speaker 1: all the music. I was disappointed. But then I saw
Speaker 1: the trailer and I thought, Oh, they're gonna flat out
Speaker 1: and make an epic drama. And I was like, that's
Speaker 1: kind of cool. That's like different for them. And I
Speaker 1: saw that it was it's gonna it's gonna be like
Speaker 1: a Crouching Tiger. I was great. And I saw that
Speaker 1: it was rady to PG. Thirteen, and I was like this,
Speaker 1: maybe this, maybe this stands a chance at being an
Speaker 1: actual good movie. Maybe they want to make it like
Speaker 1: a prestige dramatic film. You can't have her go get
Speaker 1: a blood and blow out in the desert and and
Speaker 1: take off her armor and then swim through the air
Speaker 1: and not be the case. So it's just like, if
Speaker 1: it's not that and it's not what it was, what
Speaker 1: is it like? That's my ultimate question with about Mulan,
Speaker 1: Like I would love to set the filmmakers down and
Speaker 1: say who is this for? Who is it for? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's for like the Chinese market. I guess it's like
Speaker 1: truly a play it like that, It's like, well, the
Speaker 1: way that like Hollywood has had such a weird that's
Speaker 1: not weird, the way that Hollywood has had this like
Speaker 1: raging boner for like trying to capture like American and
Speaker 1: the staging audiences for like years and years and years.
Speaker 1: It like checked so many boxes for Disney, and like
Speaker 1: it makes sense why they remade it and why they
Speaker 1: like put a lot of fun too, modernizing it, reinventing it, whatever.
Speaker 1: But it's like I tried to model it, tried to
Speaker 1: reinvent in in this very checkered way throughout the film,
Speaker 1: but then it also like trying to stay true a
Speaker 1: little too much to what the animated was. It was
Speaker 1: trying to spin all these plates and I just feel
Speaker 1: like at this point, I mean, my favorite Disney movie
Speaker 1: from when I was little, I did not think they
Speaker 1: could remake because it's too revisionists. Like now, knowing what
Speaker 1: we know, which is Pocahonus, I feel like at this point,
Speaker 1: why not fucking just do it? Like because literally, why
Speaker 1: not just do it? Because it's not like you're trying
Speaker 1: to make them good. They but they shouldn't do it.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't care anything. I feel like
Speaker 1: they shouldn't do it because it's just like a fully
Speaker 1: traumatic thing about absolutely. But but but here's the thing, like,
Speaker 1: is there a way to do it? Where no, I
Speaker 1: guess there's no. There's the ending of that story is
Speaker 1: long term, is said, Well, just that's oh, is well,
Speaker 1: she gets the story, she should be rape and she
Speaker 1: she died of horrible disease. Yes, so so real. Pocohona's
Speaker 1: whatever gets like rage gets gets gets gets brought to England.
Speaker 1: People don't know this then what actually what actually had
Speaker 1: happened to Pocohona's is quite different than of course, of
Speaker 1: course what a great love affair this has been over
Speaker 1: four days. I have to stay behind and stay with
Speaker 1: my people. That is not what happened, even even if
Speaker 1: you were to do beat for beat the original, which
Speaker 1: I agree is I enjoy the movie and like I
Speaker 1: cry every time she like runs to the cliff and
Speaker 1: like waves goodbye John Smith on the boat. It's it's incredible,
Speaker 1: the final score, the overture that plays as he leaves.
Speaker 1: You can't I might watch that tonight. Oh my god. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And we're gonna if we do watch it, we'll watch
Speaker 1: it mindfully of the real story, but as a Disney
Speaker 1: animated film of those golden ages. I think it is
Speaker 1: in terms of like the music, of the humor, the adventure,
Speaker 1: the drama, it is the best one. That's interesting. I
Speaker 1: thought you're you're like all time paper was Beauty the Beast. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: Beauty and the Beast. Although I will say this, I
Speaker 1: didn't think that I would think this years ago when
Speaker 1: I saw Beauty and the Beast live action. But I
Speaker 1: kind of think the Beauty and the Beast live action
Speaker 1: was the best one that's come out. Um, that's interesting.
Speaker 1: I never I never saw it. Oh see, honestly outside
Speaker 1: of him and Watson says that it is outside of
Speaker 1: Emma Watson not being able to sing like she sounds
Speaker 1: like a fucking someone said, I forget who said it,
Speaker 1: but she sounds like serious singing and that's what it is. Um.
Speaker 1: But it is the best film out of all of them.
Speaker 1: Whereas this was adaptation Horrible and Lion King it just
Speaker 1: needn't even happen. It was also a lie to say
Speaker 1: it was live action. It literally wasn't. And um, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm really interested to see what's gonna happen with Little
Speaker 1: Mermaid because that it could be really goofy, but it's
Speaker 1: just gonna be It's I feel like it's just so
Speaker 1: technically hard to film something where everyone is underwater, Like
Speaker 1: just think about that, like because I remember during like
Speaker 1: in the making of Finding Nemo, like the animators had
Speaker 1: such a hard time figuring out the way to make
Speaker 1: this like like moving through water look authentic and real.
Speaker 1: And it's if you're gonna have a hard time making
Speaker 1: computer things do that, where like you can control every
Speaker 1: single aspect of this, how are you gonna make that
Speaker 1: look good when it's like human beings like who don't
Speaker 1: really know like where to put their arms, Like I
Speaker 1: don't even know where to put my damn arms when
Speaker 1: I'm on screen, when I'm on the ground. No, it's
Speaker 1: almost impossible when you're on even when you're on the ground,
Speaker 1: to know where to And that's and that's the rule
Speaker 1: of culture number nine four. It's almost almost impossible possible
Speaker 1: to know where to put ground on screen. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: I do want to say one more thing, speaking of
Speaker 1: like c G I jetly having a d R and
Speaker 1: c G I mouth is was truly very upsetting to
Speaker 1: watch and mulan Okay, I have to say, I have
Speaker 1: to say something. Yeah, I only found out Gently was
Speaker 1: in this until after who was Gently? He was the emperor?
Speaker 1: He was the emperor. Yes, you don't know who Jetly is? No,
Speaker 1: I know who Jetly is. I just did. It didn't
Speaker 1: connect with me. Maybe at that point I got too
Speaker 1: fucking high because I'm telling you thirty minutes and I
Speaker 1: was like, well, forget it, there's no turning back. Now
Speaker 1: I'm getting hired. They've ever been in my life. If
Speaker 1: you're on a if you're on an indicator or a hybrid,
Speaker 1: you see Jetly's mouth move along to the crazy mixed
Speaker 1: sound of his voice, and you go, this is taking
Speaker 1: me out of my body. I cannot watch this. I
Speaker 1: I don't. I I don't. I don't begrudge you for that.
Speaker 1: It's so upsetting to watch like he it's it's like
Speaker 1: eight it's like eighties kung fu movie dubbing. But it
Speaker 1: didn't have to happen because it's Disney. I did notice
Speaker 1: that he was kind of giving like a weird performance
Speaker 1: where it looked like he like when he was like
Speaker 1: up there on the on the thing, like and he
Speaker 1: was about to burn to death. I was like, why
Speaker 1: is he expressing no emotion at all. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Now it makes a lot of sense. The the original
Speaker 1: emperor in Mulan was so good too, where you know
Speaker 1: he was just like, no matter how hard the wind blows,
Speaker 1: the mountain cannot bow to. It's like, oh yeah, like
Speaker 1: think like like please have this character like spit out
Speaker 1: these Confucianisms like I don't care, like it's it's fun
Speaker 1: writing like I I as an audience member, enjoy like
Speaker 1: these like poetic illustrations of like Confucianism, like just give
Speaker 1: it to me, like give the children, like tever. It's
Speaker 1: essentially it's a movie like let's go, let's be the
Speaker 1: grand version of it. And I feel like it wasn't
Speaker 1: all the wrong ways and missed all the ways that
Speaker 1: it should have been. I will say this despite the
Speaker 1: fact that the movie didn't move me in the slightest.
Speaker 1: I did almost shutouts here at the mg Na cameo.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say that ming Na showing up is
Speaker 1: the most is the biggest emotional sort of flourish in
Speaker 1: that whole movie. You're like, oh my god, and she
Speaker 1: and she delivered exactly what she was supposed to deliver,
Speaker 1: which is like a knowing like Canio like, yeah, me, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's me. She did. She had that it's me energy
Speaker 1: and her voice is unmistakable when you hear it. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, that's Mulan's voice. And then
Speaker 1: she moves out of the way, and of course we
Speaker 1: have our Mulan, who's like fine. Can we talk about
Speaker 1: the voice cast in the original. You had Mgna, when
Speaker 1: you had Beaty Wong, you had Harvey fire Steen, you
Speaker 1: had so many, like I mean, two gay men in
Speaker 1: that cast. Vocals, Donnie Hausman vocals. I mean, give it up.
Speaker 1: What a great fucking movie. I fucking love Mulan so much.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's Mulan is my favorite sort of Renaissance Disney.
Speaker 1: Mulan and Hercules and Little Mermaid are my three and
Speaker 1: a lot of I'm gonna say, I'm I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: for me, it's Mulan pocahonas Little Mermaid and Hans, what
Speaker 1: do you mean three game Man? Three game Man? You
Speaker 1: can't just say three games it's a podcast, Hans. You
Speaker 1: have to like George. George was the lead ancestor. Yeah, yeah, yea,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. So And also I just want to say
Speaker 1: that Hans did say in the chat. He's been very
Speaker 1: vocal in the chat today, and he said, what about
Speaker 1: Aladdin in terms of the live action remix? And this
Speaker 1: is what I'd say about that. I prefer what Aladdin
Speaker 1: was to what Mulan was because at least Aladdin, while
Speaker 1: it was like bad, was having fun, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? At least there was things about it I
Speaker 1: can remember, like did I love the song Speechless? No,
Speaker 1: But at least song I didn't write that speech. I
Speaker 1: will not go speechless, remains speechless. I will not. I won't.
Speaker 1: It's actually a culture number one D eighty three. I
Speaker 1: remain speechless, Matt Rogers, I won't. And here's the thing.
Speaker 1: Aladdin might have been goof aloof and nothing compared to
Speaker 1: the origination, but at least it was fun and there
Speaker 1: was things about it that you can talk about. Mulan
Speaker 1: is just literally like if I saw one more dusty scene, girl, girl,
Speaker 1: that's all. That's how Mulan was dusty. It could have been. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I was, I was like whatever, sort of like making
Speaker 1: this like, you know, snarky comparison to Crouching Tiger. But
Speaker 1: it's like you go back and watch Crouching Tiger. What
Speaker 1: a fucking great movie, one of the greatest. If they
Speaker 1: just made like, you know, a more like yeah, if
Speaker 1: they if they made a PG. Thirteen Crouching Tiger, like
Speaker 1: who can It's like there were no limiting factors here.
Speaker 1: They had every resource in the world to make this
Speaker 1: a great film. Literally, here's how you fix the movie.
Speaker 1: And I'm not kidding like you have Mulan, it's a
Speaker 1: it's a musical. She she is going about her life.
Speaker 1: She's trying to do the right thing. You see that
Speaker 1: she's got like like you know, adventurous impulses, but she's
Speaker 1: going through the process of needing to become a wife
Speaker 1: and become a bride, and she's not fitting in. Um.
Speaker 1: You cut two very very very far across the land.
Speaker 1: You see like, um, there is like a spiritual force
Speaker 1: that's making that's like causing all these soldiers to like
Speaker 1: do evil things. You find out that's gongally controlling them.
Speaker 1: And and then and then their word comes back to
Speaker 1: the city. We need to send one man from every
Speaker 1: family out there. There's like an evil force that's invading.
Speaker 1: And then the father can't go. Mulan goes in his place,
Speaker 1: on her journey, she finds out that it's this woman.
Speaker 1: The woman takes an interest in her. That's the conflict
Speaker 1: right there, This like evil force, which is this woman
Speaker 1: who was not accepted, who had possessed great power and
Speaker 1: great um abilities. She tries to corrupt Mulan. It's up
Speaker 1: to them at the end. Um Eventually, like Mulan gets
Speaker 1: the Gongali to turn. It's too late to save her,
Speaker 1: but she like undergoes to understand what that meant, how
Speaker 1: that repression and how that denial of true essence turned
Speaker 1: her into something evil. Mulan says, that's not gonna be me.
Speaker 1: She's committing to who she is and at the end,
Speaker 1: like and honestly cut the love story. That's how that's
Speaker 1: how you could have fixed it. Just make it simpler.
Speaker 1: Matt Rodgers story breaker, extraordinarire script doctor, Well girl, I
Speaker 1: have that degree to cut the sand. Add girl. Add
Speaker 1: the Gongli Leo y FEI like you know, like sort
Speaker 1: of like duality narrative. Just lay that on me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like I was like shocked that there was
Speaker 1: more to it than that that like Gongli had to
Speaker 1: answer to this other evil guy. That and then he
Speaker 1: was like, if you go with me, you will be
Speaker 1: able to live in your true essence. And it's like, girl, no,
Speaker 1: she could live in her true essence, however she wants
Speaker 1: like the reason why she's listening to she could crush you.
Speaker 1: And in when she turns into a bird and takes
Speaker 1: the arrow from Mulan, I'm like, that didn't have to
Speaker 1: happen because we've seen that you're a witch who can
Speaker 1: like just move her arm and knock that thing out
Speaker 1: of the air. Why did you have to die? I
Speaker 1: hate that ship. I hate when something is like just
Speaker 1: deliberately destroys the logic of what's been established. It just
Speaker 1: bothered me so much. And then I looked on Rotten
Speaker 1: Tomatoes and it had such a high score and I'm like,
Speaker 1: y'all are not being real, okay. So Hans says, this
Speaker 1: is why Matt and Bowe need to be Flotsam and Jetsam.
Speaker 1: We were told, we have it on good authority that
Speaker 1: Flotsam and jets them are not in the live action.
Speaker 1: The rumor is that Flotsam and jets them are not
Speaker 1: in it. But they should have hired us to be
Speaker 1: Flotsam and Jetsam. So that we could be to be
Speaker 1: there at the same time playing the parts, also punching
Speaker 1: up the damn script. Yes, but if it if it
Speaker 1: wasn't ust, then we would have been okay with cock
Speaker 1: Destroyers getting it too. It should have been. Honestly, once
Speaker 1: I heard that there wasn't going to be Flatsam and jetsam,
Speaker 1: I was disappointed for us, but more disappointed for the
Speaker 1: cockstro Who really are the flatsam and jetsam that we deserve?
Speaker 1: If who's there, like Ursula, I want to I want
Speaker 1: to think, I like, you know, who would you can?
Speaker 1: I think you need to cast like within Ron Jeremy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh my god, that's so good. Even the Ron Jeremy
Speaker 1: ism entangled in a lot of legal troubles right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Ron Jeremy. And no, honestly, it's if it was going
Speaker 1: to be the cock Destroyers as flotsam and jetsam, then
Speaker 1: you would need to get a drag queen. Then you
Speaker 1: would need to get like Gingerman. Gingerman. Yeah, Ginger would
Speaker 1: be great. She really would have been. You know, it's
Speaker 1: Melissa McCarthy and she'll turn the fun performance. It should
Speaker 1: have been Charlene. Honestly, Charlene would have been an amazing ursula.
Speaker 1: Oh right, have you what else are you watching right now? Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll have Well, you need to watch you need to
Speaker 1: keep watching the vow. So Matt and I watched the
Speaker 1: first I was just gonna be I was just going
Speaker 1: to bring it up. Actually, wait, how far along are you?
Speaker 1: I've watched the three episodes that have been ounced. Okay,
Speaker 1: so what are your thoughts on it? Now? On it?
Speaker 1: My thoughts on it are that it is too slow
Speaker 1: and and and here's the thing. It is a compelling story.
Speaker 1: This could have been one documentary movie. This did not
Speaker 1: have to be a serious It's not. I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: that it's going to be nine episodes? Are you kidding me? Nine?
Speaker 1: But wait, wait wait, I think the way that these
Speaker 1: people are setting up the narrative is interesting because it
Speaker 1: is really, really really making this case that over such
Speaker 1: a long period of time, this cult nexium like very
Speaker 1: insidiously slowly like implanted into these people's brands that like,
Speaker 1: it's not a cult, and we're what we're doing is
Speaker 1: self improvement and we're optimizing um, and so it becomes
Speaker 1: very believable that these people would have dates so long,
Speaker 1: and it becomes all the more shocking to me as
Speaker 1: a viewer that as soon as you find out about
Speaker 1: all this um dust stuff, about all the sex cult stuff,
Speaker 1: that it's the branding that you're like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: like this and it's so and they're so entangled in
Speaker 1: this you know, structure of this organization that they have
Speaker 1: to very carefully plan their exit and it's genius that
Speaker 1: they're all and the and the reason it's so long
Speaker 1: is also because I think that um, the Mark guy
Speaker 1: and the Sarah person are just the Mark is a
Speaker 1: documentary and Sarah persons an actress, sort of gets what.
Speaker 1: They both get what they have to collect, and so
Speaker 1: they're collecting all of this footage, all these calls UM
Speaker 1: and it just builds. It creates such a compelling story
Speaker 1: that I'm sure there's there is definitely thought to be trimmed,
Speaker 1: but I think I am getting this dense fully painted,
Speaker 1: like you know, uh, presentation of how awful, awful awful this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I was when you just said it was nine.
Speaker 1: That's tough for me because I was actually just thinking
Speaker 1: that this is too long, that what I assumed must
Speaker 1: be only five episodes. But because they're literally repeating things
Speaker 1: we've already heard, like it's it's it's literally rehashing story
Speaker 1: beats in a way where I'm like, yeah, but Housewives,
Speaker 1: it's a different thing. No, no, no, it is. It
Speaker 1: is a completely different thing. Because Housewives, I have no
Speaker 1: defense of why you needed to be sixteen episodes of season.
Speaker 1: But the next thing, it's just like I think it's
Speaker 1: because we've seen we've seen things like this done before,
Speaker 1: and all I can say is I'm really engaged in
Speaker 1: the material until I'm just shocked at how long it's
Speaker 1: been going. Because they're not short episodes either. They're like
Speaker 1: over an hour. They come to such this like tense
Speaker 1: head that like each of them, and like it's only
Speaker 1: getting more and more distressing. The gaslighting is if you
Speaker 1: want a definition on what gaslighting is, it's this like
Speaker 1: like when when the Lauren person tells Sarah best friend,
Speaker 1: like there's actually nothing really that weird like about being branded,
Speaker 1: Like what's actually that weird about it? You know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like and like you know, like it's it's
Speaker 1: you're doing it because you know it's what we do.
Speaker 1: Like why is it bad? Can you actually answer me
Speaker 1: the question why is it bad? And then it's impossible
Speaker 1: for Sarah to be like, let me explain why it's
Speaker 1: bad for my body to be irrevocably branded with the
Speaker 1: initials of a man that owns the quote unquote like
Speaker 1: life coach business that I'm a part of. Like it's
Speaker 1: it's it's it's crazy. Well, I think the show does
Speaker 1: a good job of like making that makes sense where
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, this Lauren person, Laurence Saltzman, the daughter
Speaker 1: of Nancy Saltzman, who is the sort of co head
Speaker 1: of this cult. You're sort of taking in the fact
Speaker 1: that they are just it's a culture of like rejecting
Speaker 1: fear of like fear being this like this like shitty
Speaker 1: conditional thing that's inside of you. That's your fault you're
Speaker 1: at cause like all the all of this language is
Speaker 1: so chilling and terrifying because you and I were watching
Speaker 1: the first episode together with Greta and and the three
Speaker 1: of us were like, oh wait, like this kind of
Speaker 1: like this kind of like tracks for me, like this
Speaker 1: makes sense, Like well, that's how it works. Yeah, That's
Speaker 1: how they get people is because basically what they're in
Speaker 1: the scientology does the same thing they're basically in the
Speaker 1: intro uh sections of these cults, like in the entry
Speaker 1: level UM classes anyway, all they're really doing are you know,
Speaker 1: exposing you too helpful therapy techniques or helpful practices for
Speaker 1: sound thinking or you know, useful UM methods of sorting
Speaker 1: out the way that you feel. Can I say that's
Speaker 1: how conversion Therapy was for me to like the first
Speaker 1: like four sessions were like okay, wait, I'm like coming
Speaker 1: actually makes sense? Yeah, And I feel like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe the show is consciously like reflecting that where it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: like it's building a case for like how like, um,
Speaker 1: you know, innocuous or how helpful this organization is. And
Speaker 1: then what a fucking turn it takes when you get
Speaker 1: to the branding part. Because the branding part was very
Speaker 1: effectively portrayed to me um or just sort of like
Speaker 1: just like kind of like presented in this documentary form
Speaker 1: where I was like, on, I was so fucking tense
Speaker 1: watching it, And I don't usually have that sort of
Speaker 1: like visceral somatic response to to to that kind of
Speaker 1: thing when I'm watching it, but I'm just like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, oh my god, like you know, it's it
Speaker 1: was so distressing. I feel like it is a very
Speaker 1: distressing view and I find it very not educational. I
Speaker 1: just I just feel like it is informational and a
Speaker 1: very compelling way. Well yeah, I mean it's literally it.
Speaker 1: I would say there's a lot of really great choices
Speaker 1: that the documentary is making, Like this is small, but
Speaker 1: I do love the very long phone conversations that we see,
Speaker 1: and I love the backdrop that they appear on, and
Speaker 1: I love, um the way that those are presented like
Speaker 1: pretty much in real time without being edited. And I
Speaker 1: find that you really feel the intensity of those phone
Speaker 1: calls and when you're sitting in the pauses, and I
Speaker 1: really appreciate that those are being played as those conversations
Speaker 1: were had. One thing I'm not loving about the documentary
Speaker 1: are the acted re enactments like um, Bonnie Runnings with
Speaker 1: as salt flats, like with tears in her eyes, like
Speaker 1: when she was sitting on her husband's lap and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden she was crying, ah steirtical. I'm like,
Speaker 1: is this real time? Is this is this a re enactment?
Speaker 1: Like like close ups on people's faces while they're shaking
Speaker 1: and crying like um, and it's very clear that like,
Speaker 1: are these actresses just wanting to act right now? Like
Speaker 1: I just I think it's unclear, Yes, linearly what is
Speaker 1: happening time wise? And I do think that's bad. That
Speaker 1: is bad, and I think that is a result of
Speaker 1: these two documentarians, I forget their names, who have their
Speaker 1: name on the whole thing, but it's mostly marks footage
Speaker 1: and Marcus and Marcus this like award winning renowned documentarian
Speaker 1: himself and it's like if they had I'm kind of
Speaker 1: curious to know if they had, if he had just
Speaker 1: had full rain over, like how he wanted to tell
Speaker 1: the story with the footage that he had himself recorded
Speaker 1: and the calls that he had himself recorded with Sarah Um,
Speaker 1: that would have been interesting. I feel like there was
Speaker 1: this this extra editorial perspective from these two documentarians who
Speaker 1: took all that footage and then like sequenced it themselves
Speaker 1: through in these like re enactimancise weird everhead shots of
Speaker 1: people at like a different like frame rate and a
Speaker 1: different resolution, like these people like running and um doing
Speaker 1: all these things that sort of take you out of
Speaker 1: the storytelling. Yeah, for sure. I mean for me, my
Speaker 1: my reaction to the vow thus far has been Wow,
Speaker 1: I hate next to him. What an evil company, what
Speaker 1: an evil person that's running this? Like this is horrible,
Speaker 1: And that to me is separate from whether I think
Speaker 1: the documentary, which is like not really because I think
Speaker 1: that I think. I think it's just really sort of molasses.
Speaker 1: It is very it is very slow, and honestly, it's
Speaker 1: not super were bothering me the way that like, let's
Speaker 1: just say this, I'd rather watch nine episodes of this
Speaker 1: than Mulan again. But um, like I wish it was
Speaker 1: just a little crisper, you know what I mean, Because
Speaker 1: I've been watching so many documentaries lately and I'm so
Speaker 1: surprised what how much I'm willing to watch, Like you know,
Speaker 1: that Epstein documentary on Netflix, I was like flying through it.
Speaker 1: I was just like, so, I was like this, I
Speaker 1: didn't watched after the first episode because it's like I
Speaker 1: already kind of know everything there is to know about this,
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, And maybe that's the thing with Next
Speaker 1: Game is we haven't necessarily seen this story. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm expressed as explicitly and clearly, and you know, it
Speaker 1: is kind of crazy to know that, you know, they
Speaker 1: had like Kristen Kruek like in there and like um,
Speaker 1: I didn't watch Smallville, but apparently Alison mac had like
Speaker 1: a very large role on it. She was like his
Speaker 1: She was like Clark's best friend or whatever. She like them,
Speaker 1: was like the Alison Hannigan to like his Buffy. She
Speaker 1: her Um, Laurence Saltzman, Nancy Saltzman Key three are obviously
Speaker 1: and everyone in the first ring of that cult of
Speaker 1: that like sex sex cult um all deserve like just
Speaker 1: the worst, just the worst. They deserve prison time after
Speaker 1: we abolished the car the cars roal state. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but they are awful. How are they all in jail now?
Speaker 1: They're not, they're awaiting sentencing, um, but the the sentencing
Speaker 1: has been postponed due to COVID, so who knows, but
Speaker 1: and who knows how hopefull I mean, I'm sure, like
Speaker 1: you know, there's precedent for something like this where like
Speaker 1: a documentary comes out about the case and are about
Speaker 1: I mean, they're not. It's not gonna be easy for
Speaker 1: the easier for them now. I bet theyed the minimum
Speaker 1: for I want to say Lauren and Alison Mac I
Speaker 1: read was fifty. The maximum was fifteen years, which I'm like,
Speaker 1: maybe that ain't enough, Like these people are fucking evil.
Speaker 1: Well didn't Alison mac plead guilty to racketting. She played
Speaker 1: She played guy to racketeering. They all put guilty to
Speaker 1: their charges. Keith got the most. I think Nancy got
Speaker 1: all got the second most, and then Lauren and uh
Speaker 1: Lauren and Alison mack and then like the Seagram's eRASS
Speaker 1: that that that one. Can I say a question, what
Speaker 1: what is racketeering? So it's like a racket is just
Speaker 1: like basically like like like an ill way of making
Speaker 1: money where you're just like a protection racket is like
Speaker 1: pay me this money or all or all funk up
Speaker 1: your like, um, you know your business. Um, Like a
Speaker 1: racket is just like you get money through illegal ways.
Speaker 1: So they were like collecting collateral and you know, like
Speaker 1: collecting money and like all the ship and so, um
Speaker 1: you know that is the main charge. But I just
Speaker 1: feel like on the like, um just I don't know,
Speaker 1: on a dumb moral level, um, it's just so shitty
Speaker 1: that um yeah. And also just like the pain that
Speaker 1: people have to go through, like that women had to
Speaker 1: go through too, And honestly I haven't We're only three
Speaker 1: episodes in of the nine episode thing, so who knows
Speaker 1: how doctor is going to get to be honest with you.
Speaker 1: It hasn't really gotten into the specifics of the sexual
Speaker 1: relationships he had with any of them yet, which I'm
Speaker 1: sure is coming. But one thing I do like about
Speaker 1: the documentary is it really does like like an onion,
Speaker 1: like as as you peel, like it's just more and
Speaker 1: more and more, and it's really crazy. And another thing
Speaker 1: is like they are becoming terrifying as a as a continues,
Speaker 1: like Nancy from the first episode too. Now I'm like,
Speaker 1: you are a freak and Keith is like, that's a
Speaker 1: true crazy person, true crazy person. Anytime readers, anytime someone
Speaker 1: tells you that they know someone or they are this person,
Speaker 1: that they're the smartest person in the world, that they
Speaker 1: that the the the acet and I Q test. President
Speaker 1: Donald Trump I used to work at a Park Avenue
Speaker 1: doctor's office in college where he like would give all
Speaker 1: of his patients it's like Q test and like, um,
Speaker 1: you'd be like, I've used it, I've I've done all this.
Speaker 1: Like I was like, oh, you're running you're a snake
Speaker 1: oil salesman, and like these people use these meaningless you know,
Speaker 1: like meters or whatever the funk to like tell you
Speaker 1: or legitimize the fact that they are the smartest person
Speaker 1: in the world. Anytime someone's doing that, like like anytime
Speaker 1: someone's directing that knowledge at you, that information at you, Umm,
Speaker 1: call the police after we defund them, you know, like
Speaker 1: that that that that stuff. So it's just um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean everyone's getting more terrifying. Lawrence Saltzman is terrifying.
Speaker 1: She's she's crazy because it's so powerful to be like
Speaker 1: cool girl and be doing this like so sick Alison Mack,
Speaker 1: I don't believe. I don't find to be a cool
Speaker 1: girl her like sucking, strumming on the guitar, singing these
Speaker 1: corny as songs at people's weddings. I'm like, Oh you
Speaker 1: you fucking suck. I could like roast your ass, like
Speaker 1: any time of day if whatever. She is. So that
Speaker 1: girl though, that you worshiped for like a year and
Speaker 1: a half in college, not me, not me. I saw
Speaker 1: right through that show. I was like, Oh, you fucking suck,
Speaker 1: get out of my way any way, fish girl with
Speaker 1: an instrument. When I was in college, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, we're gonna go. We're gonna go see
Speaker 1: Cheyenne perform at the Shane. We're going to We're going
Speaker 1: to see Cheyenne Blessed performed tonight at the Crystal Head.
Speaker 1: Shyanne Blessed. No, I gotta say growing up in Mormon
Speaker 1: country in Colorado, like every girl that was like Alison
Speaker 1: Mac was Mormon, and I was like, ha, you dumb.
Speaker 1: I was just like, no, I don't. I don't need
Speaker 1: to see this now. Our Mormons dumb. Yeah, yeah, Mormon's.
Speaker 1: I can't wait for real house life of Salt Lake
Speaker 1: City either. I was talking I was talking to I
Speaker 1: was talking to Marty gold Commings. I was on their podcast.
Speaker 1: Um we're talking about house ives and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty excited for Saltake City because these Mormon women
Speaker 1: are very good giving you an exterior presentation of I'm cool,
Speaker 1: like oh yeah, I'm like a I'm a painter, and
Speaker 1: you know, I have this website that's really cheicly designed.
Speaker 1: They're very tech savvy, they're very like pr savvy. They
Speaker 1: can cultivate this persona of coolness and like it is
Speaker 1: kind of I want to say, like CULTI where it's
Speaker 1: like hey, come here, like we're cool, um, and this
Speaker 1: is all stuff that, like, you know, that you can
Speaker 1: get on board with. And so I'm very excited to
Speaker 1: see sort of that a new sort of Um. I
Speaker 1: know me too. Wait, what's going on? Well, it's coming
Speaker 1: out soon, and Andy tweeted about it. He was like, um,
Speaker 1: he described it like as a blow away. He's like,
Speaker 1: He's like, it is a whole different flavor of housewives,
Speaker 1: Like you've never seen the housewives like this. And I
Speaker 1: think that it is a really good opportunity with it
Speaker 1: because kind of like what you're saying, where it's like
Speaker 1: these Mormon women like there they're they're all Leah's rights,
Speaker 1: but they you know, I think everybody gets their own
Speaker 1: planet when they die, right. But I feel like my
Speaker 1: my estimation of what Mormon culture is like is it
Speaker 1: is very like keeping up present, keeping up appearances, but
Speaker 1: underneath the surface, like there's ship going on, there's jealousy
Speaker 1: going on, there's secrets going on. Whatever. So I think
Speaker 1: that like what we might get from Salt Lake City,
Speaker 1: especially with a new cast that we haven't seen interact
Speaker 1: with each other on television, and also they haven't seen
Speaker 1: themselves interact on television is we might get a sort
Speaker 1: of return to form which we used to have with
Speaker 1: the other franchises, which was you kind of saw the
Speaker 1: cracks in the China before they cracked. Like now it's
Speaker 1: like on every franchise, including Potomac, which has been unbelievable
Speaker 1: this season. It's kind of like everyone knows everyone's gig,
Speaker 1: you know, like there's no hiding anymore, like forget it.
Speaker 1: Like when you have someone like Lisa Renna on Beverly Hills,
Speaker 1: there's no hiding. And we have to say thank you
Speaker 1: to Lisa Randa because she did give one of the
Speaker 1: most iconic lines of the year with you liked the tweet,
Speaker 1: and in liking the tweet, it says everything. It says
Speaker 1: every everything. I still enjoy so angry, angry, angry. She's
Speaker 1: done it two episodes in a row. It's You're so angry,
Speaker 1: you are so angry. Then you liked the tweet, and
Speaker 1: in liking the tweet, it says everything everything. Like if
Speaker 1: that's not everything for the year, I don't know what is.
Speaker 1: You and I saw the finale of of Beverly Hills
Speaker 1: together and we both turned to each other and like
Speaker 1: we didn't need to like read like read read like
Speaker 1: the live tweets or anything. We were just like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's a fucking moment, Like wait, can we do it again? Yes, Denise,
Speaker 1: you're so angry angry. No, you're playing dirty. I'm not
Speaker 1: playing dirty dirty, Denise, you are so you forget Denise,
Speaker 1: you are angry and she's like laughing like but also
Speaker 1: the beginning of the scene, I really missed you. I
Speaker 1: miss you two Denise too, I missed Denise is also
Speaker 1: a star where she's like, what would she say? Who
Speaker 1: told you? Who told you that? Who told you that?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, she's an actress. She gets how to
Speaker 1: make something cinematic. Well they are they just actresses, but
Speaker 1: they are so stars. They are so stars, and they
Speaker 1: will give you the moment. Sitting on that couch. They
Speaker 1: knew exactly what was happening. They might not have been
Speaker 1: happy about it, but they are going to deliver on it.
Speaker 1: And the thing is, You've been having a lot of
Speaker 1: discussions recently about whether or not Denise is gonna return,
Speaker 1: and I'm torn about what she's gonna do because on
Speaker 1: the one hand, she's had such a miserable experience, like
Speaker 1: and it's been so clearly drawn in the sand, the
Speaker 1: line like we're on this side, you're on that side,
Speaker 1: And they've so clearly made it apparent how they feel
Speaker 1: about her and how they're going to feel about her
Speaker 1: going forward. But on the other hand, it's like she's
Speaker 1: hasn't been this famous irrelevant in years, and she is
Speaker 1: so powerful on the show because they all can't stop
Speaker 1: talking about her because they bother She bothers them so
Speaker 1: much because she doesn't made the show at all, and
Speaker 1: they can't stand it because Erica knows, and I love Erica,
Speaker 1: but Erica knows her career is pretty reliant on the show.
Speaker 1: Kyle is only the show. Brenda at this point, like
Speaker 1: she go do whatever she wants. But I think rin
Speaker 1: A relishes in the show and loves her job, and
Speaker 1: I think she comes. I I genuinely think she goes
Speaker 1: there to go to work. Garcell is out, she's not
Speaker 1: She's not coming back, And to be honest with you,
Speaker 1: I'm not actually gonna miss her because she's not actually
Speaker 1: a good housewife. I think she'll be great on the reel.
Speaker 1: I love Garcell, be like I I maybe I'd love
Speaker 1: her on another show. Maybe they want to spin her
Speaker 1: off and give her her own reality show. She's just
Speaker 1: not a good housewife. She doesn't mix it up, she
Speaker 1: doesn't get involved. She said some stuff about other housewives
Speaker 1: that they went over in the last episode of the reunion,
Speaker 1: and she really shied away from it, like she by
Speaker 1: the way, we should say it was so fucked up
Speaker 1: what Kyle said to her about not paying at the charity.
Speaker 1: Did you see this now? I I have not really
Speaker 1: kept up with Okay, So so at the reunion, Kyle
Speaker 1: richards Um and Garcella, we're getting into it and Kyle goes, Garcella,
Speaker 1: you came to my charity function and raised your hand
Speaker 1: for five thousand dollars and never paid. And Garcella was like,
Speaker 1: that is not true, and she said that it's not
Speaker 1: true about ten times, and Kyle was like, there's no
Speaker 1: payment been made. And it's just like, fuck you, Kyle,
Speaker 1: because we all know that five thousand, a a five
Speaker 1: thousand dollars is nothing. To Garcela, it was clearly just
Speaker 1: a mistake or something happened. Be you're really going to
Speaker 1: be the one who's gonna turn to the one black
Speaker 1: woman on the cast and be like you didn't pay.
Speaker 1: Not good? Yeah, and then Andy asked Garcela. He was like,
Speaker 1: what has it been like being the only black woman
Speaker 1: on this show? And she was answering, how, you know,
Speaker 1: she feels like a lot of the women like didn't
Speaker 1: make an issue about her with her about certain things
Speaker 1: because of her race, or like tiptote around her. And
Speaker 1: it was sort of intimating that, like she wasn't able
Speaker 1: to actually have like a Housewives experience because she felt
Speaker 1: like people felt nervous to get into it with her,
Speaker 1: but they didn't want to be the white They didn't
Speaker 1: want to be the white bitches getting into it with
Speaker 1: And Kyle was the first one to be like, I
Speaker 1: didn't think about that at all. And I was like, well,
Speaker 1: maybe you could have thought about it a little bit
Speaker 1: more because you just said to the one black woman
Speaker 1: that she didn't pay your charity event over five thousand bucks,
Speaker 1: which is nothing, and you kept that information. Of course
Speaker 1: I'll find she's got a new gig. Yeah, exactly. Um,
Speaker 1: how do you feel about someone just like posted a
Speaker 1: mem with this today so keeping up the Kardashians is
Speaker 1: over is no more? How do you feel about Chris
Speaker 1: Jenner joining joining Beverly Hills like that wouldn't that be fun? Oh,
Speaker 1: that would be an amazing idea. That would be an
Speaker 1: amazing idea and so smart. But the thing is, I
Speaker 1: think Chris Jenner would not do it because I think
Speaker 1: Chris Jenner ultimately needs to be in the edit room
Speaker 1: and as a producer, and I don't think that she
Speaker 1: would allow someone else to manipulate her image unless she
Speaker 1: was given producer credit. But I think in theory, it's
Speaker 1: an amazing idea. No, you're you're You're absolutely correct, though,
Speaker 1: in theory, I think it's great. And how do you
Speaker 1: feel about it ending? End of an era? I mean
Speaker 1: I never watched it there, but it is culturally significant
Speaker 1: that it ends, sure, but you know, I mean like
Speaker 1: the impact is forever sort of like done, Like you
Speaker 1: know that family is that family? Um? I know, Well,
Speaker 1: they will continue to have influence, they will continue to
Speaker 1: um be in the conversation. I mean, you know, not
Speaker 1: much will change beyond just the programming of E as
Speaker 1: a network. You know, Bryan Seacrest is out of is
Speaker 1: out of a job. So that's that that that's kind
Speaker 1: of all that means to me, even though I don't
Speaker 1: watch it. Yeah, I mean, on the beginning though if
Speaker 1: you watch that show early on though, like from this,
Speaker 1: like the few episodes I've seen from the early seasons,
Speaker 1: it's like the aetic Yeah, sure, but it's but it's
Speaker 1: just such an interesting like peek into like an inflection
Speaker 1: point of like massive fame where you're like, oh, this
Speaker 1: was like you know, this kind of like weird cookie
Speaker 1: household and you know, they were involved in the O
Speaker 1: J case and you know, the dad died and like
Speaker 1: all this stuff. But now it's and Kims paris his
Speaker 1: friend and now it's like, oh my god, what a
Speaker 1: fucking change. Yeah, I mean, I just think, like I
Speaker 1: think it might have a little bit to do with
Speaker 1: the fact that like their situation is now too sensitive
Speaker 1: it all. It's like, I don't I don't think. I
Speaker 1: don't think there's much left for them to mind out
Speaker 1: of what their situation is, because I think maybe Kim
Speaker 1: Kardashian and Kanye West are the real dealer and are
Speaker 1: gonna stay married, And like, if you're actually gonna sit
Speaker 1: and wallow in what Kim's every day issues are, it's
Speaker 1: going to get pretty fucking dark, pretty fucking soon, for sure.
Speaker 1: Fortunate overall, Listen, I think it might be time to
Speaker 1: move on. Okay to the segment that well, do you know?
Speaker 1: Do you remember the segment? I think I do. I
Speaker 1: was trying to think of a segment maybe reader let
Speaker 1: us know. I feel like we should add a new
Speaker 1: element to the to the U and Me shows, which is, like,
Speaker 1: you know, a miniature shortened version of too moment. I
Speaker 1: love that you said. I love the way you said miniature.
Speaker 1: You said it like miniature miniature. What do you mean miniature?
Speaker 1: And you say miniature, miniature, miniature. You're I'm just collapsing
Speaker 1: my val which is my right. I'm not impeding on
Speaker 1: your rights. I'm just saying, can I can I actually
Speaker 1: just ask you a question. So the other day I
Speaker 1: was with some people and apparently I say bagel weird
Speaker 1: when I when I use it in a sentence, Okay,
Speaker 1: I wonder I think that they might have been gaslighting me.
Speaker 1: But so listen, here's how I say the word bagel. Okay, bagel.
Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna use it in a sentence. Um, I'll
Speaker 1: just have assaulted bagel. I don't, I can't smie. Okay,
Speaker 1: then my friends are gaslighting me. Wait, okay, dude, do
Speaker 1: that again? Bagel? Yeah, Hey, if you guys are going
Speaker 1: to get a big I guess I'll just have everything. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I don't even care that you're I don't even
Speaker 1: care that your friends were gaslining. I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: going crazy now thinking it doesn't matter. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I I'm going crazy. It was Brendan Skinnell and Joe
Speaker 1: Kim Booster and they were cackling at me because I
Speaker 1: was saying bagel differently than I say. You don't know, Okay, fine,
Speaker 1: here's here's the word. Don't don't don't don't say the
Speaker 1: word isolated, just say the sentence. I'm like, okay, I've
Speaker 1: got so much scallion cream trees. What should I do
Speaker 1: with it? Well? I think what you should do is
Speaker 1: put it on a bagel? Am I saying? Am? I
Speaker 1: saying bagel? No? Okay? Good? Then okay, I'm sorry. But
Speaker 1: maybe but maybe, but maybe it's because like now you're
Speaker 1: like aware of it. I'm saying same, I was saying
Speaker 1: at the exact same, and they were laughing at me,
Speaker 1: and they were like, you are You're saying we're you're
Speaker 1: saying weird, And it was so infuriate. It was Sarahne
Speaker 1: and so infuriating, so infuriating you are, Denise. Did you
Speaker 1: see that trailer with Sisha and Kate Winslet being lesbian
Speaker 1: fossil diggers. Oh yeah, that's fun. I mean, isn't that
Speaker 1: like such a I feel like that's such a a
Speaker 1: throwaway joke though, when you're like a lesbian paleontologist, it's like,
Speaker 1: I mean, to lesbian fossil jaggers is a dirty rock joke.
Speaker 1: But um, the movie looks pretty good. I mean it's
Speaker 1: Kate Winslett and Sarasha. I love that. I love that
Speaker 1: being lesbian together. Search is in the new Wes Anderson
Speaker 1: movie that hasn't come out yet, but but apparent. But like,
Speaker 1: what was she she was? She's been in Wess Anderson
Speaker 1: stuff before, right that she was in it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: I don't know. She was in Grand Budapest probably, oh
Speaker 1: maybe one of those, yeah, something like one of those. Anyway, anyway,
Speaker 1: this is no no, no, no, no, no no. I
Speaker 1: want to say, I want to. I want to. We're
Speaker 1: we're just like sort of live pitching here, like a
Speaker 1: miniature version of Top of like topwo hundred. Maybe we
Speaker 1: like each each week we present We'll do this for
Speaker 1: the next time we do just the two of us.
Speaker 1: Here's good thing. Why don't we have Here's a good thing? Here,
Speaker 1: Here's Here's good title of apple, Here's good thing. Exclamation point. Um.
Speaker 1: I think that the readers should pitch topics of different things.
Speaker 1: We can count down and we'll come in the top
Speaker 1: five thing of those topics. I love that, and we'll
Speaker 1: both we'll both bring in and we'll compare notes. Yes,
Speaker 1: so um oh, even if there's overlap, we'll be like,
Speaker 1: oh my, had that too, Yes, and then we can
Speaker 1: call it top five. Here's no. I think we call
Speaker 1: it here's a good thing. Here's a good thing, Here's
Speaker 1: good thing. Um. Okay, Well, that's the title of this episode,
Speaker 1: and it's also the title of an upcoming segment um
Speaker 1: on this podcast. And the title of the episode is
Speaker 1: promo for the segment. Yes, oh genius. Lots of layers
Speaker 1: to the marketing. Okay. Um. So, so let's readers, let
Speaker 1: to know what you'd like us to talk about. We'll
Speaker 1: sort of get a collective sense of what you want
Speaker 1: us to count down. I like this. It's very Kelly Clarkson,
Speaker 1: Kelly Okey of us that crowdsource ideas and then come
Speaker 1: with our own takes, very kelly yucky of us. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is I don't think so honey. This is where
Speaker 1: we each take one minute to rail against something in
Speaker 1: the culture. Matt, you have something, I have something. I
Speaker 1: do well, I was I'll say this. I actually came
Speaker 1: into this episode thinking, my I don't think so honey
Speaker 1: would be Mulan. But I think what we ended up
Speaker 1: doing was a forty five minute Mulan. I don't think
Speaker 1: so honey. So I am. I do have something else.
Speaker 1: I love that. Okay, so um and you have it ready? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: this is Matt Rogers. I don't think so honey. As
Speaker 1: time starts now, I don't think so honey. The view
Speaker 1: recast Sarah Haynes um for what I kind of have
Speaker 1: the same response to this as I do with Mulan,
Speaker 1: certainly certainly not for her political insight. And y'all, I
Speaker 1: hate to remind you this, but we're in the election cycle.
Speaker 1: And also it's weird to me that you would replace
Speaker 1: Abby Huntsman with Sarah Haynes. That does not seem like
Speaker 1: a want to want. And I have to say I
Speaker 1: do think so honey. At a Navarro who was literally
Speaker 1: sitting there and being by far the most entertaining cast member,
Speaker 1: and you don't cast her as a permanent co host
Speaker 1: after what she's done for you. I don't think so, Honey.
Speaker 1: The disrespect that that has, the disregard that that has
Speaker 1: the ability to see gold right before your eyes, that
Speaker 1: that happens, lack of energy that that has, the lack
Speaker 1: of diversity that that has. Sarah, she's like this, she's
Speaker 1: like a you know, just she's like just like a mom,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, not that we don't need a mom,
Speaker 1: but like but like there's not anything anyway, but like
Speaker 1: she's just like an every woman in the way where
Speaker 1: it's like I don't need every woman on the show.
Speaker 1: I need some real political insights, some some die, diversity
Speaker 1: of opinion, and I don't think we're getting that with her.
Speaker 1: And after stray hand, Kiki and Sarah ended, I guess
Speaker 1: this was a good place to put her. But I mean,
Speaker 1: it's honestly nothing against her as a person. It's just
Speaker 1: I don't get it. Yeah, you're you're right, I mean,
Speaker 1: we're we're in a very consequential election. Obviously, I feel
Speaker 1: like you're you're bringing in you know, d n C
Speaker 1: ish moderate liberalism, like you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: it's kind of just like she's like like like Robin's bloom.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, fruit at the bottom, you know, fat free
Speaker 1: Greek yogurt. Very bad. I'm just kinda like bored. I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm just like, bring in Anna, bring in Anna Navarro,
Speaker 1: bring in Anna. She's she's politically to the right, but
Speaker 1: I you know, I I she's fun TV. She's fun TV.
Speaker 1: And I also get why they put Abby Huntsmananca. She
Speaker 1: was a moderate Republican and it's just like they was
Speaker 1: also a model Republican. Well she she would she would
Speaker 1: more identify as like a moderate period now. Um, I think,
Speaker 1: but because she doesn't moderate, you're bringing a moderate democrat
Speaker 1: in with Sarah Haynes. I felt what they should have
Speaker 1: done was bringing a very progressive person because I think
Speaker 1: that's like yes to the view. I was like, whoopee,
Speaker 1: is not super progressive, Sonny. I guess Sonny is um
Speaker 1: like progressive but not really. She's a little d NCI
Speaker 1: is for me. Um Joy can be frustrating pretty DNC
Speaker 1: and she's the most liberal but you know, and then god,
Speaker 1: they should have brought in someone like, uh, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I said Anaksperian from The Young Turks, although I don't
Speaker 1: think she would take the job, but maybe or someone
Speaker 1: like I'm you know, any Va Leela, Yeah, right, like
Speaker 1: just someone fun that's like I don't know, like engaged, involved,
Speaker 1: and I think that they're missing like a very aggressive voice,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like I don't. And the
Speaker 1: thing is like I feel like they think because this
Speaker 1: is the one to one people like them would make,
Speaker 1: they be like, well, if we have someone really progressive
Speaker 1: and then we need a trumper, which is not true
Speaker 1: because now that's not true at all, not true at all,
Speaker 1: because one is a valid point of view when one
Speaker 1: is an invalid point of view. So anyway, but I
Speaker 1: just I'm not I'm not excited about her coming back
Speaker 1: to the show because I just don't think she brings
Speaker 1: like a dynamicism. Sure totally. Anyway, are they doing are
Speaker 1: they doing it in studio? Again? The only one that's
Speaker 1: in studio right now is Sarah because Sonny is continuing
Speaker 1: to do it from home, so is Joyce, so is Whoopie,
Speaker 1: and Megan is like eight months pregnant. So um, okay, Well,
Speaker 1: we wish her the best, don't we um? All right,
Speaker 1: I've publicly made so many tasteless Megan McKay jokes that
Speaker 1: I'm like, she's I'm sadly not one of her gay friends.
Speaker 1: Isn't that I know? But here's here's here's what I
Speaker 1: have to ask you. Here's what I have to ask you.
Speaker 1: And I sometimes think about this. I'm being totally facetious.
Speaker 1: By the way, For anyone listening who's Andy looks you
Speaker 1: on Watch What Happens Live and you were on there
Speaker 1: with Megan McCain, would you have a good time with her? No,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't would be like her. I'd be like, Hi,
Speaker 1: it's nice to meet you, and I would I have
Speaker 1: such few opportunities to be because I'm not like I
Speaker 1: don't consider myself like a mean person. I have such
Speaker 1: a few opportunities to be like a bitch that I
Speaker 1: would relish in the opportunity. Oh my god, you but
Speaker 1: you you know me, like any time there's an opening
Speaker 1: for me to be like a hint of a bitch
Speaker 1: like you, like, well, when it's when it's justified, and
Speaker 1: so I like, you know, a couple of this thing
Speaker 1: happened in the base a couple of weeks ago, and
Speaker 1: I was like, this is my time to shine, and
Speaker 1: like I felt very good and comfortable about being a
Speaker 1: little bit of a bit because people deserved it. And
Speaker 1: so now I'm like, if if Megan McCain and I
Speaker 1: were on Watch What Happens Life together, be like, hi
Speaker 1: you or noxious you are? You are corrosive bile in
Speaker 1: our media landscape. Thank you. And this is this is
Speaker 1: where I differ because I think that I wouldn't know.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want it to ruin my experience. You have
Speaker 1: a duty to be cruel to Megan McCain. I would
Speaker 1: not want to be cruel to her. I would make
Speaker 1: it clear that we don't agree on very much of
Speaker 1: anything outside of the fact that Trump needs to fucking
Speaker 1: go make it clear. But I also know that Watch
Speaker 1: What Happens Live is not the space for me to
Speaker 1: get into it with Megan McCain. No, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: be like, it's not going to ruin my Watch what
Speaker 1: Happens Live, that's for fun. I'm not going to be
Speaker 1: rude to her while the cameras are rolling. I'm just like,
Speaker 1: when when like we like get walked onto set or whatever,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna be like, hey, yeah, this is all
Speaker 1: assuming that she would want to engage with us too. Sure,
Speaker 1: she probably hates us. She's always on that show. She's
Speaker 1: always on that show, which he books her so much. Um,
Speaker 1: but you know what's interesting about you and I? I
Speaker 1: bet people on face value would think that I'm the
Speaker 1: bigger bitch. Sure, really, yeah, I know I'm the bigger
Speaker 1: bitch when like, in very selective pockets of time, I
Speaker 1: am generally, I'm generally I try very hard to be
Speaker 1: I mean, but I I reject this notion that I'm
Speaker 1: not approachable like you, Like Matt's getting a lot of
Speaker 1: d m s from from people who are like, hey,
Speaker 1: send Bowen this nude or whatever I do, I literally
Speaker 1: will get. I literally will receive nudes from Bowen. And
Speaker 1: I have to say, I don't think so, honey, that
Speaker 1: I'm receiving nudes from Bowen requests for Bowen Like, I
Speaker 1: am not Bowen's publist. Oh that's yeah, I hate that.
Speaker 1: I don't think so many that man is not my publicist.
Speaker 1: Please do not like solicit things that have not his assistant.
Speaker 1: I am not his publicist. I am not that is
Speaker 1: I am I please direct to Bow and Yang himself
Speaker 1: if you would like to inquire with you. Thank you.
Speaker 1: It also makes me feel bad. I know, I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. It really doesn't. In fact, sometimes I'm like, well, actually,
Speaker 1: I'd rather get all this stuff so I can get
Speaker 1: some insight into how people are feeling. Oh that's that's fun. Um.
Speaker 1: I I just want to say that, UM, you and
Speaker 1: I are bitches. Indifferent ways. How am I a bit?
Speaker 1: You are? You? You? UM are very agile in your bitchiness.
Speaker 1: You can sort of like if you I'm saying, when
Speaker 1: you need to be a bit you do it on
Speaker 1: such a such a quick pivot. I'm like, I gotta
Speaker 1: really like let something like sit with me before I'm
Speaker 1: activated into my bitchy. I would say that I would
Speaker 1: say that you are more passive pressive, and I am
Speaker 1: more aggressive, but I can be aggressive. I think we
Speaker 1: both can be both. But I would say that on
Speaker 1: the sides of the spectrum. That's where like I think
Speaker 1: you're bitching, you are more of UM. You're more of
Speaker 1: a measured like sub twiteter, and I'm more of a
Speaker 1: what did you say? Yeah, I'm not. I would never
Speaker 1: go what did you say, yeah, that's amazing. I'm more
Speaker 1: of a here's me looking you in the eyes, confronting you,
Speaker 1: and you're more that happened, and then twenty five minutes later,
Speaker 1: something searing appears on social media, or I'll go like,
Speaker 1: you know, someone says something grude to me. I'll be like, oh,
Speaker 1: well the world needs dreamers, and then all look the
Speaker 1: way or something, whereas I'm throwing plates, but but apologizing immediately. Um, okay,
Speaker 1: so this is boone yangs. I don't know, this is
Speaker 1: this is mine, this is mine. I'm sorry. Yes, you
Speaker 1: had a wonderful one. Yes, this is boon. I don't
Speaker 1: think so. Wow he forgot that I did one. No,
Speaker 1: it was great. I just we we went on such
Speaker 1: a tangent. Anyway, this is I don't think so honey.
Speaker 1: His time he is starts now, I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: The price point on air purifiers. I am shopping for
Speaker 1: an air purifier and I'm looking at the cheapest models
Speaker 1: and they're like four hundred dollars. I go, you cannot
Speaker 1: do what my PlayStation four does, sweetheart. You zap little
Speaker 1: dust particles and that's all you do, and then you
Speaker 1: cycle them back out so so so I'm breathing cleaner air.
Speaker 1: That's wonderful. You should cost at most a hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty dollars. We're not doing that much. Sweet, You're doing
Speaker 1: one thing, and you're doing one thing decently, I would say,
Speaker 1: whereas my PlayStation four game console, Honey is doing everything
Speaker 1: it is. Oh, it is connecting me to the Internet
Speaker 1: where I can buy games, it is to New fantastic world,
Speaker 1: and it is opening up experiences to me that I'm enjoying.
Speaker 1: So air purifiers you got to be priced last. The
Speaker 1: market is real bullshit right now with the air purifiers.
Speaker 1: And that's when minute, you know, it's one of those
Speaker 1: things where it's like you always want one, but I
Speaker 1: actually never know what's what's a good price point to
Speaker 1: spend on them? Well, I feel like we are being
Speaker 1: like conned into thinking, oh, you know, it's it's I guess,
Speaker 1: I guess this is how much they cost, which I'm sure,
Speaker 1: like they're very sophisticated pieces of machinery, but I'm also
Speaker 1: like no, I mean, like I I bought the cheapest
Speaker 1: air purifier from Molecule. It's like that's crazy, And I
Speaker 1: was just like, what I guess this is my only option.
Speaker 1: See that's that's like, that's like one of those things
Speaker 1: where it's like you find out how much of much
Speaker 1: it is and you're like, no way, Like I I
Speaker 1: would never thought they would be more than two hulls.
Speaker 1: You know what's well, you know what's an expensive item
Speaker 1: that you never would think is this expensive? Like muscle guns,
Speaker 1: massage guns. Well, I bought one of those four hundred
Speaker 1: thirty dollars and it was worth it. Shears like shears
Speaker 1: that you cut hair with hundreds and hundreds of dollars.
Speaker 1: I found out while I was hosting Hot Dog. No,
Speaker 1: that's too much money. That is too much money. I
Speaker 1: can do. I can tag and rip something with my
Speaker 1: own two hands and it'd be free. My mother confirmed.
Speaker 1: I was like, I had no idea. She is really expensive.
Speaker 1: She's like, oh yeah, that's why I always get so
Speaker 1: mad when I dropped mine, because she feel like you
Speaker 1: understood your mother in a deeper way. Yeah, well, I
Speaker 1: had no idea that there were such an investment. But
Speaker 1: also there's so many different kinds you can get. But girl,
Speaker 1: this is for the readers. When you go into there
Speaker 1: to your beautition, just know that that is an expensive
Speaker 1: piece of machinery. So just another reason to sit absolutely still.
Speaker 1: Get your blowout, girl, because that blow out is gonna
Speaker 1: pay for some new shears that they deserve, honey, and
Speaker 1: then on for us. After you get your blow out,
Speaker 1: ride into the desert to fight the What a great song,
Speaker 1: what a great movie. I'm gonna watch pocahon Test even
Speaker 1: though I will be um shocked at mel Gibson's presence
Speaker 1: in my in my ears, you know, I think I
Speaker 1: actually might watch Pocohontas tonight too, to be honest, it's
Speaker 1: a horny movie. Yeah, and well, you know, he had
Speaker 1: it all. I think I think she should have taken this,
Speaker 1: she should have married. But honestly, the scene where John
Speaker 1: Smith and Pocohona's first see each other and then they're
Speaker 1: standing on the rocks in the midst and they're just
Speaker 1: staring at each other because they've never seen anything like
Speaker 1: each other. That to me was art. It's art. It
Speaker 1: transcends the medium. It's like it doesn't even matter that
Speaker 1: it's animation. It's like, oh my god, what a what
Speaker 1: a what a beautifully John we Outside of the fact
Speaker 1: that it's a revisionist and also that she looks like Alexandra,
Speaker 1: like Ambrosio, like with like eight inch waist and double
Speaker 1: de tips, like the cheekbones sitting high to this guy
Speaker 1: gangle like the longest hair you've ever imagined, like long
Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian hair, like a fucking banging Jamaican dance hall.
Speaker 1: Ass I was Tina fight calls it. Yes, I will
Speaker 1: say my my one big nott with Pocahona's um is.
Speaker 1: Too many animals, too many sidekicks. You got the pug,
Speaker 1: you got the little flit, you got the little hunting bird,
Speaker 1: and then you got the raccoon. It's like, there's too
Speaker 1: many animals here. Yeah, yeah, it's it's the same problem
Speaker 1: that Mohana had. Unfortunately, too many animals um and problem
Speaker 1: the whole middle was so boring. Well, Mulan had the
Speaker 1: perfect amount of animals, had mushi. You had the lucky cricket,
Speaker 1: that was it, and the horse, but like the horses
Speaker 1: more of like a was just there girl. Where was
Speaker 1: the cricket? Where was the cricket? Was the cricket? The
Speaker 1: cricket was important in the matchmaker scene. The crickets the
Speaker 1: reason the matchmakers, the matchmaker session failed and you got
Speaker 1: a damn spider coming out? Why is there a spider
Speaker 1: in that Matchmaker's house? Stupid? You know what it's actually like. Also,
Speaker 1: that part always bothered me because it's like in the
Speaker 1: animated movie, the grandmother gives the cricket for luck and
Speaker 1: then the cricket gets lose, So it really is essentially
Speaker 1: the grandmother's fault. So that's one note for the original movie.
Speaker 1: And also in this new movie, the spider being there.
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, all she had to do is be like,
Speaker 1: there's a spider under the spider there, and my sister,
Speaker 1: as you can see, is having a conniption fit. This
Speaker 1: this is what should have happened, and pretending mulan, poor
Speaker 1: the tea, dearest Matchmaker. There appears to be I apologize
Speaker 1: for talking out of turn. There appears to be an
Speaker 1: I rachnid creature making its way down into the teapot.
Speaker 1: May I please dispose of it? Thank you for telling me.
Speaker 1: You may pick up the cup and dispose and we'll
Speaker 1: begin again. Oh my god, you would have been great.
Speaker 1: The Matchmaker was fun, study and studient and I watched
Speaker 1: it together and then um, at that very moment when
Speaker 1: the spider comes down, Um, she goes, girl, what do
Speaker 1: you think of Mulan? Speak for her? Well, Sudi, Well,
Speaker 1: Sudie and I thought the same thing. And she was like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's these beautiful landscapes and these actor, these
Speaker 1: poor actors doing their best with their five word lines,
Speaker 1: you know, like it's just it is what it is.
Speaker 1: And um, unfortunately it's what we had anyway. So and
Speaker 1: unfortunately it's what we had. That's really what we have
Speaker 1: to say about Milan ultimately is unfortunately it's what that's
Speaker 1: what we had. Well, this has been a true culture
Speaker 1: catch up. Yes, I loved this culture catch up. It
Speaker 1: felt like a return to form. When she say, I
Speaker 1: would say, and you know, we really dug in on Mulan,
Speaker 1: and I guess our ultimate uh reaction is no no.
Speaker 1: And now we close every episode with the song We'll
Speaker 1: have you washed and try to print and bolster your
Speaker 1: glow with pride to trust by recipe for Instant Bride
Speaker 1: You Will Bride. Oh Bye Bye