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Speaker 1: and you're just like, oh wait, like who cares if

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Speaker 1: you're insensitive? What's insensitive is that you shot this in

425
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 1: sins young where like it's the sight of like a

426
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 1: wild Chinese political firestorm, And it's like, why, I don't know,

427
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 1: there's no sensitivity here that I don't We're giving them

428
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 1: too much credit for thinking that it was insensitive for

429
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 1: her to be like grabbing a Chinese lantern, which existed.

430
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 1: You know, It's like I don't know that there's just

431
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,679
Speaker 1: so many tonal things that were wrong with the film.

432
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 1: I hated how the film was basically the original animated

433
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 1: feature up until the battle sequences were for at least

434
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 1: like twenty minutes, it became Crouching Tiger Jr. For kids,

435
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 1: And it's just like, oh wait, like you can't you

436
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 1: gotta have an even mixture here. It can't be like, Okay,

437
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 1: this chunk is where we make it like a fun

438
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 1: war film and she's riding a horse with the blowout

439
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,160
Speaker 1: and then the rest of it is like a water

440
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 1: down version of what we loved about the animated Future,

441
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 1: where yeah, you're right, we don't hear her in a monologue.

442
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 1: We don't know, we don't know anything about her. Yeah,

443
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,399
Speaker 1: like there's no like you know that she's got this

444
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 1: ability and her dad says, tamper that down because people

445
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 1: couldn't handle it. Well that now that you know, that's

446
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: the case, Like that is her entire personality has a secret,

447
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 1: which is not a personality, whereas the animated Mulan was

448
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 1: you know, tom boyish and goofy and you know, not

449
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 1: in her body when it came to you know, being

450
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 1: the quote unquote perfect or you know woman that you

451
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 1: could that you could the perfect bride. You know, she

452
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 1: did not fit into the mold of being a woman

453
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: of that time in that culture, and you got that

454
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 1: very clearly, whereas this movie made deliberate choices to say, no,

455
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: it's not that, it's just that she has a power

456
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: which is really unclear. And then it's even more unclear

457
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 1: later when Gongli the Witch is like, you're just like me,

458
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 1: and and so now we're like, okay, is she just

459
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: like her? Could she turn into like a burden ship?

460
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: Like what exactly is going on here? And not for nothing?

461
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: But all of this would have been easier to take

462
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: had the movie just not been so dreadfully boring. And

463
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 1: I don't understand what Disney thought they were fixing, like

464
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: by making a Disney movie without humor or music, like

465
00:25:55,040 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: when that was the touchstones of the original film. Yes, um,

466
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 1: we should I should correct that. There was one ep

467
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,400
Speaker 1: William Kong. He's from Hong Kong, has worked on House

468
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: of Flying Diggers and Crouching Tiger, and in an interview,

469
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 1: the director Nikki Kara said he was the one who

470
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 1: encouraged is me to consider non Chinese directors, which, well,

471
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: he's wrong. I it feels like I don't. I don't know,

472
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 1: and it's also just like okay, well then you're you're

473
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: you're putting sort of the responsibility on this one person

474
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,479
Speaker 1: and sort of like shirking the blame by being like, oh, well,

475
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 1: this is the one Chinese guy we had as an EP,

476
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: like had the individual responsibility and the power to be

477
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 1: like to make this okay, which is sort of flawed,

478
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 1: but regardless of regardless of like whatever decisions were made,

479
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: like what we have is what we see, and like,

480
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but the movie started to sort of get

481
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: better for me for a second when she took her

482
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: hair out, took her armor off, and arrived back in

483
00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: battle with with coming straight from the dry bar, like

484
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 1: without a vest and like able to kick everyone's ass.

485
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 1: I was like, cool, So this is like bordering on

486
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 1: camp now, so maybe this should have been camp from

487
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: the beginning, which means like I don't know, include the

488
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 1: songs like I don't get this, like weird minimalist, but

489
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: not thing they're doing. The sets are so grand. It's Disney.

490
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 1: You've got the best actresses um for these parts doing

491
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 1: it like you have people that are able to do this,

492
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: but you're you come se and Another thing is like,

493
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: I don't know, if you've looked at all these reviews,

494
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 1: I believe they bought good reviews. I don't think that

495
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: any any film reviewer worth their salt could in good

496
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 1: conscience give this a good review. I think they're giving

497
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: it a good review because they know what a difficult

498
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 1: time it is right now for the film industry, and

499
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 1: they really need this to succeed. And I guess I

500
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: hope it does. But it's a shame that this movie

501
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: is what it is. But there's like a weird too

502
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: big to fail notion that we're attounting to Disney, which

503
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: is like we love Disney with you you and I

504
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 1: love Disney, um, but it's it's just so interesting. I

505
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 1: do want to shout out you know, rosslyn Chowan, you

506
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,199
Speaker 1: and um Zema. I mean there are there are, there

507
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 1: are good performances in this film. I think it didn't

508
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 1: hit because also you know this, like the relationship between

509
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: Mulan and her father, that's like, that's like classic stuff

510
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: when they sit after after in the original movie, in

511
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: the animated movie, when she messes up at the tea

512
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: spilling ceremonial, or like her test with the matchmakers, in

513
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,959
Speaker 1: the garden and her dad sits down next to her

514
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: and says, you know, look at all these beautiful flowers

515
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,959
Speaker 1: are in bloom, and that one hasn't yet, but I

516
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: believe that when that one blooms a little bit later

517
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: than everyone else, it will be the most beautiful. And like,

518
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: I'm about to cry. Yeah, that's such. It's book ended

519
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: when she comes back home after everything presents him the

520
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: sword in the medal and he doesn't even look at it,

521
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: throws it aside and hugs or oh my god, and

522
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: he's sitting there and I felt like, it's crazy, you

523
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: literally had that source material map it out for you

524
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: and still that that moment at the end didn't emotionally hit.

525
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: I feel like the original the animated feature is I'm

526
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: going to call it perfect, and I feel like they

527
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: I feel like they took liberties and wanted and like

528
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: sort of hubristically thought, well, we can try to modify

529
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: and improve this. It's like you can't. It's you might

530
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: just just just stick us. I mean they kind of

531
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: just beat for being stuck pretty closely to it, but

532
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: just hollowed out, like all the emotion except for the

533
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: except for the battle sequence where the way that the

534
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: way that she provoked the avalanche didn't even make sense.

535
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: It made no sense. I was like sitting there, like

536
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: what just happened. It's it's so perfect in the animated

537
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: where she just like it's hopeless. They're all about to die.

538
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: They have one cannon left. And then she like sees

539
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: from the reflection of her sword, oh my god, there's

540
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: a huge mound of snow on that mountain and then

541
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: like grabs mooshoe goes and then like that. That's such

542
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: a perfect scene in that movie. And it and one

543
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: of the first animated movies to u c G I

544
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 1: because they had to c G I. All those um,

545
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: all the huns coming down the mountain. UM just like

546
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: technically such an epic. The original movie is epic, like

547
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: balances the epic tone that it needs, that the story needs,

548
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: and it bounces the fun and like the queer aspects

549
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: of this story and all of these things and the

550
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: action and like it's it's I think it's such a

551
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: well executed movie. And this movie just barely barely barely

552
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: met that occasion and to recreate that and then I

553
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: do want to say that um with the Phoenix of

554
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: it all Julio tore I was talking to Julio about this,

555
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: and Julio Torres says, all the shots of the phoenix

556
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: flying were very like earn your sky miles. It was

557
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: literally a commercial for Delta for Delta or like for

558
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: some for like you know, China East Airlines or something

559
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 1: where it's like, wait a minute, like what are we

560
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: are we supposed to like just be wild by the

561
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: fact that it's a phoenix, Like I don't know, like

562
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: like let me, let me ask you a question. So

563
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: when when Mulan leaves in the beginning, um and the

564
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: dad like sort of like praise to that medallion, was

565
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: that the phoenix was okay? So now it makes sense

566
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: to me because like he said, he's like spiritually sends

567
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: the phoenix along to guide her. Yes, but then the phoenix,

568
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: the phoenix just sort of like flies alongside her and

569
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: then or was there when she like at the sulfur

570
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: mine or whatever? I guess, but I don't know. I

571
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: feel like I feel like I feel like you need

572
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: Like Mushoe is such a perfect character. The Grandma in

573
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: the original, such a perfect character because she's comic relief

574
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: and she's like and she's like a tune to the ancestors,

575
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: so she's like, ancestors, please protect Mulan. And then that's

576
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: when you the smoke travels to the to the temple,

577
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: to the shrine, and then you you meet Mushu and

578
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: that's such a fun story. We has to prove himself again.

579
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: It's like so well thought out in terms of like

580
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: the plot, and this is just like so badly constructed

581
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: and not even not even badly constructed, and like like, yes,

582
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: if you were to look at the script on paper,

583
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: it would work. But the fact of the matter is

584
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: you can't just ignore the fact that we have the

585
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: original movie to compare it to. And it's not like

586
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: it came out a hundred years ago. You know, this

587
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: came out when we were children. You know, a lot

588
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: of Disney Um families now have seen this movie. Like

589
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: I guess with all these live action remix it seems

590
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: like the question I have after every single one is like,

591
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: to what end? Like, to what end do we have? Milan?

592
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: Y'all probably are going to make a ton of money,

593
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,479
Speaker 1: that's for sure, and maybe people will be interested again

594
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: in the original, But it's not like this was like

595
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: some I think the original movie was more of a

596
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: nod so the culture and was more respectful and more

597
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: like all encompassing of like all the beauty of the culture,

598
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: and like it really my family watched we were My

599
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: family watched that when we were young, and we were like,

600
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is so fun, Like this is

601
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: like we just appreciated the fact that, like it was

602
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: a Chinese movie about a Chinese myth and like all

603
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: these and like culturally it seemed authentic, even though like

604
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: that was also like you know, hell and by all

605
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: these white people. But you know, I would like I

606
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: bought the VHS when it came out, watched obsessively. They

607
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: were all these futurets like around like you know, how

608
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: they researched everything about you know, sort of like the

609
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: the embellished details of the myth at the time or whatever.

610
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: So I feel like it's there, there's a model of

611
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: this being successfully done, even if you take out the

612
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: representation aspects of it BTS, which is like, you know,

613
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: it's it's not like the biggest issue, but it is

614
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: tell it's sort of like sets up all the failures

615
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: that this live action Munich is. Well, I feel like

616
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: what I what it felt like they were going to do.

617
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: When the trailer came out, which I was kind of

618
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: on board with, was I heard they were taking out

619
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: all the music. I was disappointed. But then I saw

620
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: the trailer and I thought, Oh, they're gonna flat out

621
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: and make an epic drama. And I was like, that's

622
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 1: kind of cool. That's like different for them. And I

623
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: saw that it was it's gonna it's gonna be like

624
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: a Crouching Tiger. I was great. And I saw that

625
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: it was rady to PG. Thirteen, and I was like this,

626
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 1: maybe this, maybe this stands a chance at being an

627
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: actual good movie. Maybe they want to make it like

628
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 1: a prestige dramatic film. You can't have her go get

629
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: a blood and blow out in the desert and and

630
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 1: take off her armor and then swim through the air

631
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: and not be the case. So it's just like, if

632
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: it's not that and it's not what it was, what

633
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: is it like? That's my ultimate question with about Mulan,

634
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: Like I would love to set the filmmakers down and

635
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 1: say who is this for? Who is it for? Yeah,

636
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: it's for like the Chinese market. I guess it's like

637
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: truly a play it like that, It's like, well, the

638
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: way that like Hollywood has had such a weird that's

639
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: not weird, the way that Hollywood has had this like

640
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 1: raging boner for like trying to capture like American and

641
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: the staging audiences for like years and years and years.

642
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: It like checked so many boxes for Disney, and like

643
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: it makes sense why they remade it and why they

644
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:29,240
Speaker 1: like put a lot of fun too, modernizing it, reinventing it, whatever.

645
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: But it's like I tried to model it, tried to

646
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: reinvent in in this very checkered way throughout the film,

647
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: but then it also like trying to stay true a

648
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: little too much to what the animated was. It was

649
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,959
Speaker 1: trying to spin all these plates and I just feel

650
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 1: like at this point, I mean, my favorite Disney movie

651
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,399
Speaker 1: from when I was little, I did not think they

652
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 1: could remake because it's too revisionists. Like now, knowing what

653
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: we know, which is Pocahonus, I feel like at this point,

654
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 1: why not fucking just do it? Like because literally, why

655
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: not just do it? Because it's not like you're trying

656
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: to make them good. They but they shouldn't do it.

657
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't care anything. I feel like

658
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: they shouldn't do it because it's just like a fully

659
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: traumatic thing about absolutely. But but but here's the thing, like,

660
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: is there a way to do it? Where no, I

661
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: guess there's no. There's the ending of that story is

662
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: long term, is said, Well, just that's oh, is well,

663
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: she gets the story, she should be rape and she

664
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: she died of horrible disease. Yes, so so real. Pocohona's

665
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: whatever gets like rage gets gets gets gets brought to England.

666
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: People don't know this then what actually what actually had

667
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: happened to Pocohona's is quite different than of course, of

668
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,919
Speaker 1: course what a great love affair this has been over

669
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: four days. I have to stay behind and stay with

670
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: my people. That is not what happened, even even if

671
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,439
Speaker 1: you were to do beat for beat the original, which

672
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: I agree is I enjoy the movie and like I

673
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: cry every time she like runs to the cliff and

674
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: like waves goodbye John Smith on the boat. It's it's incredible,

675
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: the final score, the overture that plays as he leaves.

676
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: You can't I might watch that tonight. Oh my god. Yeah,

677
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: And we're gonna if we do watch it, we'll watch

678
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 1: it mindfully of the real story, but as a Disney

679
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: animated film of those golden ages. I think it is

680
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: in terms of like the music, of the humor, the adventure,

681
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: the drama, it is the best one. That's interesting. I

682
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 1: thought you're you're like all time paper was Beauty the Beast. No, no, no, no,

683
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: Beauty and the Beast. Although I will say this, I

684
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: didn't think that I would think this years ago when

685
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: I saw Beauty and the Beast live action. But I

686
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: kind of think the Beauty and the Beast live action

687
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: was the best one that's come out. Um, that's interesting.

688
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: I never I never saw it. Oh see, honestly outside

689
00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:00,040
Speaker 1: of him and Watson says that it is outside of

690
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,720
Speaker 1: Emma Watson not being able to sing like she sounds

691
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: like a fucking someone said, I forget who said it,

692
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: but she sounds like serious singing and that's what it is. Um.

693
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: But it is the best film out of all of them.

694
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 1: Whereas this was adaptation Horrible and Lion King it just

695
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,879
Speaker 1: needn't even happen. It was also a lie to say

696
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: it was live action. It literally wasn't. And um, you know,

697
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,399
Speaker 1: I'm really interested to see what's gonna happen with Little

698
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:36,399
Speaker 1: Mermaid because that it could be really goofy, but it's

699
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: just gonna be It's I feel like it's just so

700
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: technically hard to film something where everyone is underwater, Like

701
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: just think about that, like because I remember during like

702
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: in the making of Finding Nemo, like the animators had

703
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: such a hard time figuring out the way to make

704
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: this like like moving through water look authentic and real.

705
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: And it's if you're gonna have a hard time making

706
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,919
Speaker 1: computer things do that, where like you can control every

707
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: single aspect of this, how are you gonna make that

708
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: look good when it's like human beings like who don't

709
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: really know like where to put their arms, Like I

710
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: don't even know where to put my damn arms when

711
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: I'm on screen, when I'm on the ground. No, it's

712
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 1: almost impossible when you're on even when you're on the ground,

713
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: to know where to And that's and that's the rule

714
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: of culture number nine four. It's almost almost impossible possible

715
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: to know where to put ground on screen. Yeah. Um,

716
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: I do want to say one more thing, speaking of

717
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: like c G I jetly having a d R and

718
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: c G I mouth is was truly very upsetting to

719
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: watch and mulan Okay, I have to say, I have

720
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: to say something. Yeah, I only found out Gently was

721
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: in this until after who was Gently? He was the emperor?

722
00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: He was the emperor. Yes, you don't know who Jetly is? No,

723
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: I know who Jetly is. I just did. It didn't

724
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 1: connect with me. Maybe at that point I got too

725
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: fucking high because I'm telling you thirty minutes and I

726
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 1: was like, well, forget it, there's no turning back. Now

727
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: I'm getting hired. They've ever been in my life. If

728
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: you're on a if you're on an indicator or a hybrid,

729
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: you see Jetly's mouth move along to the crazy mixed

730
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 1: sound of his voice, and you go, this is taking

731
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: me out of my body. I cannot watch this. I

732
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: I don't. I I don't. I don't begrudge you for that.

733
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: It's so upsetting to watch like he it's it's like

734
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: eight it's like eighties kung fu movie dubbing. But it

735
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 1: didn't have to happen because it's Disney. I did notice

736
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: that he was kind of giving like a weird performance

737
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: where it looked like he like when he was like

738
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 1: up there on the on the thing, like and he

739
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: was about to burn to death. I was like, why

740
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 1: is he expressing no emotion at all. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

741
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 1: Now it makes a lot of sense. The the original

742
00:40:55,440 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: emperor in Mulan was so good too, where you know

743
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: he was just like, no matter how hard the wind blows,

744
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: the mountain cannot bow to. It's like, oh yeah, like

745
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: think like like please have this character like spit out

746
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: these Confucianisms like I don't care, like it's it's fun

747
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: writing like I I as an audience member, enjoy like

748
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: these like poetic illustrations of like Confucianism, like just give

749
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,399
Speaker 1: it to me, like give the children, like tever. It's

750
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: essentially it's a movie like let's go, let's be the

751
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: grand version of it. And I feel like it wasn't

752
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: all the wrong ways and missed all the ways that

753
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: it should have been. I will say this despite the

754
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: fact that the movie didn't move me in the slightest.

755
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: I did almost shutouts here at the mg Na cameo.

756
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: I was gonna say that ming Na showing up is

757
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: the most is the biggest emotional sort of flourish in

758
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: that whole movie. You're like, oh my god, and she

759
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: and she delivered exactly what she was supposed to deliver,

760
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: which is like a knowing like Canio like, yeah, me, yeah,

761
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: it's me. She did. She had that it's me energy

762
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: and her voice is unmistakable when you hear it. I

763
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, that's Mulan's voice. And then

764
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: she moves out of the way, and of course we

765
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: have our Mulan, who's like fine. Can we talk about

766
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: the voice cast in the original. You had Mgna, when

767
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 1: you had Beaty Wong, you had Harvey fire Steen, you

768
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: had so many, like I mean, two gay men in

769
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: that cast. Vocals, Donnie Hausman vocals. I mean, give it up.

770
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: What a great fucking movie. I fucking love Mulan so much.

771
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: It's it's it's Mulan is my favorite sort of Renaissance Disney.

772
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: Mulan and Hercules and Little Mermaid are my three and

773
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: a lot of I'm gonna say, I'm I'm gonna say

774
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: for me, it's Mulan pocahonas Little Mermaid and Hans, what

775
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 1: do you mean three game Man? Three game Man? You

776
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: can't just say three games it's a podcast, Hans. You

777
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: have to like George. George was the lead ancestor. Yeah, yeah, yea,

778
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. So And also I just want to say

779
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: that Hans did say in the chat. He's been very

780
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: vocal in the chat today, and he said, what about

781
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: Aladdin in terms of the live action remix? And this

782
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 1: is what I'd say about that. I prefer what Aladdin

783
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:21,439
Speaker 1: was to what Mulan was because at least Aladdin, while

784
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: it was like bad, was having fun, you know what

785
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: I mean? At least there was things about it I

786
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 1: can remember, like did I love the song Speechless? No,

787
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: But at least song I didn't write that speech. I

788
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: will not go speechless, remains speechless. I will not. I won't.

789
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 1: It's actually a culture number one D eighty three. I

790
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: remain speechless, Matt Rogers, I won't. And here's the thing.

791
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: Aladdin might have been goof aloof and nothing compared to

792
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 1: the origination, but at least it was fun and there

793
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: was things about it that you can talk about. Mulan

794
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: is just literally like if I saw one more dusty scene, girl, girl,

795
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 1: that's all. That's how Mulan was dusty. It could have been. Honestly,

796
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,280
Speaker 1: I was, I was like whatever, sort of like making

797
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: this like, you know, snarky comparison to Crouching Tiger. But

798
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: it's like you go back and watch Crouching Tiger. What

799
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: a fucking great movie, one of the greatest. If they

800
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: just made like, you know, a more like yeah, if

801
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: they if they made a PG. Thirteen Crouching Tiger, like

802
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: who can It's like there were no limiting factors here.

803
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: They had every resource in the world to make this

804
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,280
Speaker 1: a great film. Literally, here's how you fix the movie.

805
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: And I'm not kidding like you have Mulan, it's a

806
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 1: it's a musical. She she is going about her life.

807
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: She's trying to do the right thing. You see that

808
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: she's got like like you know, adventurous impulses, but she's

809
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: going through the process of needing to become a wife

810
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: and become a bride, and she's not fitting in. Um.

811
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: You cut two very very very far across the land.

812
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: You see like, um, there is like a spiritual force

813
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: that's making that's like causing all these soldiers to like

814
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: do evil things. You find out that's gongally controlling them.

815
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: And and then and then their word comes back to

816
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: the city. We need to send one man from every

817
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 1: family out there. There's like an evil force that's invading.

818
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: And then the father can't go. Mulan goes in his place,

819
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: on her journey, she finds out that it's this woman.

820
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: The woman takes an interest in her. That's the conflict

821
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: right there, This like evil force, which is this woman

822
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: who was not accepted, who had possessed great power and

823
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: great um abilities. She tries to corrupt Mulan. It's up

824
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 1: to them at the end. Um Eventually, like Mulan gets

825
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 1: the Gongali to turn. It's too late to save her,

826
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 1: but she like undergoes to understand what that meant, how

827
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: that repression and how that denial of true essence turned

828
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: her into something evil. Mulan says, that's not gonna be me.

829
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 1: She's committing to who she is and at the end,

830
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: like and honestly cut the love story. That's how that's

831
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 1: how you could have fixed it. Just make it simpler.

832
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: Matt Rodgers story breaker, extraordinarire script doctor, Well girl, I

833
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:30,720
Speaker 1: have that degree to cut the sand. Add girl. Add

834
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: the Gongli Leo y FEI like you know, like sort

835
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,439
Speaker 1: of like duality narrative. Just lay that on me. Yeah,

836
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 1: I was like I was like shocked that there was

837
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: more to it than that that like Gongli had to

838
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: answer to this other evil guy. That and then he

839
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 1: was like, if you go with me, you will be

840
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: able to live in your true essence. And it's like, girl, no,

841
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: she could live in her true essence, however she wants

842
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: like the reason why she's listening to she could crush you.

843
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: And in when she turns into a bird and takes

844
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: the arrow from Mulan, I'm like, that didn't have to

845
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 1: happen because we've seen that you're a witch who can

846
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: like just move her arm and knock that thing out

847
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: of the air. Why did you have to die? I

848
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: hate that ship. I hate when something is like just

849
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: deliberately destroys the logic of what's been established. It just

850
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: bothered me so much. And then I looked on Rotten

851
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: Tomatoes and it had such a high score and I'm like,

852
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: y'all are not being real, okay. So Hans says, this

853
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: is why Matt and Bowe need to be Flotsam and Jetsam.

854
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: We were told, we have it on good authority that

855
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: Flotsam and jets them are not in the live action.

856
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: The rumor is that Flotsam and jets them are not

857
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: in it. But they should have hired us to be

858
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: Flotsam and Jetsam. So that we could be to be

859
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:52,720
Speaker 1: there at the same time playing the parts, also punching

860
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: up the damn script. Yes, but if it if it

861
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: wasn't ust, then we would have been okay with cock

862
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 1: Destroyers getting it too. It should have been. Honestly, once

863
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,760
Speaker 1: I heard that there wasn't going to be Flatsam and jetsam,

864
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: I was disappointed for us, but more disappointed for the

865
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 1: cockstro Who really are the flatsam and jetsam that we deserve?

866
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: If who's there, like Ursula, I want to I want

867
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 1: to think, I like, you know, who would you can?

868
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: I think you need to cast like within Ron Jeremy. Yeah,

869
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 1: oh my god, that's so good. Even the Ron Jeremy

870
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: ism entangled in a lot of legal troubles right now. Yeah,

871
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: Ron Jeremy. And no, honestly, it's if it was going

872
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: to be the cock Destroyers as flotsam and jetsam, then

873
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: you would need to get a drag queen. Then you

874
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: would need to get like Gingerman. Gingerman. Yeah, Ginger would

875
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: be great. She really would have been. You know, it's

876
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,839
Speaker 1: Melissa McCarthy and she'll turn the fun performance. It should

877
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 1: have been Charlene. Honestly, Charlene would have been an amazing ursula.

878
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,479
Speaker 1: Oh right, have you what else are you watching right now? Okay,

879
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,399
Speaker 1: we'll have Well, you need to watch you need to

880
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: keep watching the vow. So Matt and I watched the

881
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 1: first I was just gonna be I was just going

882
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: to bring it up. Actually, wait, how far along are you?

883
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 1: I've watched the three episodes that have been ounced. Okay,

884
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,879
Speaker 1: so what are your thoughts on it? Now? On it?

885
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: My thoughts on it are that it is too slow

886
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: and and and here's the thing. It is a compelling story.

887
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: This could have been one documentary movie. This did not

888
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 1: have to be a serious It's not. I don't think so, honey,

889
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: that it's going to be nine episodes? Are you kidding me? Nine?

890
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: But wait, wait wait, I think the way that these

891
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: people are setting up the narrative is interesting because it

892
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:38,879
Speaker 1: is really, really really making this case that over such

893
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: a long period of time, this cult nexium like very

894
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: insidiously slowly like implanted into these people's brands that like,

895
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 1: it's not a cult, and we're what we're doing is

896
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: self improvement and we're optimizing um, and so it becomes

897
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: very believable that these people would have dates so long,

898
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: and it becomes all the more shocking to me as

899
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: a viewer that as soon as you find out about

900
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: all this um dust stuff, about all the sex cult stuff,

901
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: that it's the branding that you're like, oh my god,

902
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: like this and it's so and they're so entangled in

903
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 1: this you know, structure of this organization that they have

904
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: to very carefully plan their exit and it's genius that

905
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: they're all and the and the reason it's so long

906
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 1: is also because I think that um, the Mark guy

907
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: and the Sarah person are just the Mark is a

908
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 1: documentary and Sarah persons an actress, sort of gets what.

909
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: They both get what they have to collect, and so

910
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: they're collecting all of this footage, all these calls UM

911
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,720
Speaker 1: and it just builds. It creates such a compelling story

912
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: that I'm sure there's there is definitely thought to be trimmed,

913
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: but I think I am getting this dense fully painted,

914
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: like you know, uh, presentation of how awful, awful awful this. Yeah,

915
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 1: so I was when you just said it was nine.

916
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 1: That's tough for me because I was actually just thinking

917
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:19,280
Speaker 1: that this is too long, that what I assumed must

918
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:25,240
Speaker 1: be only five episodes. But because they're literally repeating things

919
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: we've already heard, like it's it's it's literally rehashing story

920
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: beats in a way where I'm like, yeah, but Housewives,

921
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: it's a different thing. No, no, no, it is. It

922
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 1: is a completely different thing. Because Housewives, I have no

923
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: defense of why you needed to be sixteen episodes of season.

924
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 1: But the next thing, it's just like I think it's

925
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 1: because we've seen we've seen things like this done before,

926
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: and all I can say is I'm really engaged in

927
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: the material until I'm just shocked at how long it's

928
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: been going. Because they're not short episodes either. They're like

929
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 1: over an hour. They come to such this like tense

930
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: head that like each of them, and like it's only

931
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: getting more and more distressing. The gaslighting is if you

932
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: want a definition on what gaslighting is, it's this like

933
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: like when when the Lauren person tells Sarah best friend,

934
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: like there's actually nothing really that weird like about being branded,

935
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 1: Like what's actually that weird about it? You know what

936
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 1: I mean? Like and like you know, like it's it's

937
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,760
Speaker 1: you're doing it because you know it's what we do.

938
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: Like why is it bad? Can you actually answer me

939
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: the question why is it bad? And then it's impossible

940
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 1: for Sarah to be like, let me explain why it's

941
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: bad for my body to be irrevocably branded with the

942
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 1: initials of a man that owns the quote unquote like

943
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: life coach business that I'm a part of. Like it's

944
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:04,919
Speaker 1: it's it's it's crazy. Well, I think the show does

945
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 1: a good job of like making that makes sense where

946
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, this Lauren person, Laurence Saltzman, the daughter

947
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: of Nancy Saltzman, who is the sort of co head

948
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 1: of this cult. You're sort of taking in the fact

949
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: that they are just it's a culture of like rejecting

950
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: fear of like fear being this like this like shitty

951
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 1: conditional thing that's inside of you. That's your fault you're

952
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: at cause like all the all of this language is

953
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: so chilling and terrifying because you and I were watching

954
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,839
Speaker 1: the first episode together with Greta and and the three

955
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 1: of us were like, oh wait, like this kind of

956
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 1: like this kind of like tracks for me, like this

957
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: makes sense, Like well, that's how it works. Yeah, That's

958
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 1: how they get people is because basically what they're in

959
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 1: the scientology does the same thing they're basically in the

960
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: intro uh sections of these cults, like in the entry

961
00:53:56,040 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 1: level UM classes anyway, all they're really doing are you know,

962
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 1: exposing you too helpful therapy techniques or helpful practices for

963
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: sound thinking or you know, useful UM methods of sorting

964
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: out the way that you feel. Can I say that's

965
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,720
Speaker 1: how conversion Therapy was for me to like the first

966
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: like four sessions were like okay, wait, I'm like coming

967
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: actually makes sense? Yeah, And I feel like, I don't know,

968
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: maybe the show is consciously like reflecting that where it's like, oh,

969
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 1: like it's building a case for like how like, um,

970
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 1: you know, innocuous or how helpful this organization is. And

971
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: then what a fucking turn it takes when you get

972
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 1: to the branding part. Because the branding part was very

973
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: effectively portrayed to me um or just sort of like

974
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: just like kind of like presented in this documentary form

975
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: where I was like, on, I was so fucking tense

976
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: watching it, And I don't usually have that sort of

977
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: like visceral somatic response to to to that kind of

978
00:54:58,120 --> 00:54:59,799
Speaker 1: thing when I'm watching it, but I'm just like, oh

979
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 1: my god, oh my god, like you know, it's it

980
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: was so distressing. I feel like it is a very

981
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: distressing view and I find it very not educational. I

982
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: just I just feel like it is informational and a

983
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 1: very compelling way. Well yeah, I mean it's literally it.

984
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: I would say there's a lot of really great choices

985
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 1: that the documentary is making, Like this is small, but

986
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:28,720
Speaker 1: I do love the very long phone conversations that we see,

987
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: and I love the backdrop that they appear on, and

988
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 1: I love, um the way that those are presented like

989
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 1: pretty much in real time without being edited. And I

990
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 1: find that you really feel the intensity of those phone

991
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 1: calls and when you're sitting in the pauses, and I

992
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: really appreciate that those are being played as those conversations

993
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: were had. One thing I'm not loving about the documentary

994
00:55:55,560 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 1: are the acted re enactments like um, Bonnie Runnings with

995
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 1: as salt flats, like with tears in her eyes, like

996
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: when she was sitting on her husband's lap and all

997
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 1: of a sudden she was crying, ah steirtical. I'm like,

998
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 1: is this real time? Is this is this a re enactment?

999
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: Like like close ups on people's faces while they're shaking

1000
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: and crying like um, and it's very clear that like,

1001
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 1: are these actresses just wanting to act right now? Like

1002
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 1: I just I think it's unclear, Yes, linearly what is

1003
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: happening time wise? And I do think that's bad. That

1004
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: is bad, and I think that is a result of

1005
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 1: these two documentarians, I forget their names, who have their

1006
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 1: name on the whole thing, but it's mostly marks footage

1007
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 1: and Marcus and Marcus this like award winning renowned documentarian

1008
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 1: himself and it's like if they had I'm kind of

1009
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: curious to know if they had, if he had just

1010
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 1: had full rain over, like how he wanted to tell

1011
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 1: the story with the footage that he had himself recorded

1012
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:04,320
Speaker 1: and the calls that he had himself recorded with Sarah Um,

1013
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 1: that would have been interesting. I feel like there was

1014
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 1: this this extra editorial perspective from these two documentarians who

1015
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 1: took all that footage and then like sequenced it themselves

1016
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: through in these like re enactimancise weird everhead shots of

1017
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 1: people at like a different like frame rate and a

1018
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 1: different resolution, like these people like running and um doing

1019
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 1: all these things that sort of take you out of

1020
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: the storytelling. Yeah, for sure. I mean for me, my

1021
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 1: my reaction to the vow thus far has been Wow,

1022
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: I hate next to him. What an evil company, what

1023
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: an evil person that's running this? Like this is horrible,

1024
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 1: And that to me is separate from whether I think

1025
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:49,439
Speaker 1: the documentary, which is like not really because I think

1026
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 1: that I think. I think it's just really sort of molasses.

1027
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: It is very it is very slow, and honestly, it's

1028
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 1: not super were bothering me the way that like, let's

1029
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: just say this, I'd rather watch nine episodes of this

1030
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 1: than Mulan again. But um, like I wish it was

1031
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: just a little crisper, you know what I mean, Because

1032
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 1: I've been watching so many documentaries lately and I'm so

1033
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 1: surprised what how much I'm willing to watch, Like you know,

1034
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 1: that Epstein documentary on Netflix, I was like flying through it.

1035
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 1: I was just like, so, I was like this, I

1036
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 1: didn't watched after the first episode because it's like I

1037
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: already kind of know everything there is to know about this,

1038
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:32,919
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, And maybe that's the thing with Next

1039
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 1: Game is we haven't necessarily seen this story. That's what

1040
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: I'm expressed as explicitly and clearly, and you know, it

1041
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 1: is kind of crazy to know that, you know, they

1042
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 1: had like Kristen Kruek like in there and like um,

1043
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 1: I didn't watch Smallville, but apparently Alison mac had like

1044
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 1: a very large role on it. She was like his

1045
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 1: She was like Clark's best friend or whatever. She like them,

1046
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 1: was like the Alison Hannigan to like his Buffy. She

1047
00:58:57,160 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 1: her Um, Laurence Saltzman, Nancy Saltzman Key three are obviously

1048
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 1: and everyone in the first ring of that cult of

1049
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: that like sex sex cult um all deserve like just

1050
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 1: the worst, just the worst. They deserve prison time after

1051
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 1: we abolished the car the cars roal state. I don't know,

1052
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 1: but they are awful. How are they all in jail now?

1053
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 1: They're not, they're awaiting sentencing, um, but the the sentencing

1054
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 1: has been postponed due to COVID, so who knows, but

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00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 1: and who knows how hopefull I mean, I'm sure, like

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00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 1: you know, there's precedent for something like this where like

1057
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:33,919
Speaker 1: a documentary comes out about the case and are about

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00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 1: I mean, they're not. It's not gonna be easy for

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00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 1: the easier for them now. I bet theyed the minimum

1060
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 1: for I want to say Lauren and Alison Mac I

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00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 1: read was fifty. The maximum was fifteen years, which I'm like,

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00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 1: maybe that ain't enough, Like these people are fucking evil.

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Speaker 1: Well didn't Alison mac plead guilty to racketting. She played

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00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: She played guy to racketeering. They all put guilty to

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Speaker 1: their charges. Keith got the most. I think Nancy got

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01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 1: all got the second most, and then Lauren and uh

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Speaker 1: Lauren and Alison mack and then like the Seagram's eRASS

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Speaker 1: that that that one. Can I say a question, what

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01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 1: what is racketeering? So it's like a racket is just

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01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 1: like basically like like like an ill way of making

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01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 1: money where you're just like a protection racket is like

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01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 1: pay me this money or all or all funk up

1073
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 1: your like, um, you know your business. Um, Like a

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01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 1: racket is just like you get money through illegal ways.

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01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:37,919
Speaker 1: So they were like collecting collateral and you know, like

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01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 1: collecting money and like all the ship and so, um

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01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 1: you know that is the main charge. But I just

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01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: feel like on the like, um just I don't know,

1079
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: on a dumb moral level, um, it's just so shitty

1080
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 1: that um yeah. And also just like the pain that

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01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 1: people have to go through, like that women had to

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01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 1: go through too, And honestly I haven't We're only three

1083
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 1: episodes in of the nine episode thing, so who knows

1084
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 1: how doctor is going to get to be honest with you.

1085
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 1: It hasn't really gotten into the specifics of the sexual

1086
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 1: relationships he had with any of them yet, which I'm

1087
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 1: sure is coming. But one thing I do like about

1088
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 1: the documentary is it really does like like an onion,

1089
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 1: like as as you peel, like it's just more and

1090
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 1: more and more, and it's really crazy. And another thing

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01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 1: is like they are becoming terrifying as a as a continues,

1092
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 1: like Nancy from the first episode too. Now I'm like,

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01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 1: you are a freak and Keith is like, that's a

1094
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 1: true crazy person, true crazy person. Anytime readers, anytime someone

1095
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 1: tells you that they know someone or they are this person,

1096
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 1: that they're the smartest person in the world, that they

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01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 1: that the the the acet and I Q test. President

1098
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 1: Donald Trump I used to work at a Park Avenue

1099
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 1: doctor's office in college where he like would give all

1100
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 1: of his patients it's like Q test and like, um,

1101
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: you'd be like, I've used it, I've I've done all this.

1102
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 1: Like I was like, oh, you're running you're a snake

1103
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 1: oil salesman, and like these people use these meaningless you know,

1104
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 1: like meters or whatever the funk to like tell you

1105
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 1: or legitimize the fact that they are the smartest person

1106
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 1: in the world. Anytime someone's doing that, like like anytime

1107
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 1: someone's directing that knowledge at you, that information at you, Umm,

1108
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 1: call the police after we defund them, you know, like

1109
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 1: that that that that stuff. So it's just um, yeah,

1110
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 1: I mean everyone's getting more terrifying. Lawrence Saltzman is terrifying.

1111
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 1: She's she's crazy because it's so powerful to be like

1112
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 1: cool girl and be doing this like so sick Alison Mack,

1113
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 1: I don't believe. I don't find to be a cool

1114
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 1: girl her like sucking, strumming on the guitar, singing these

1115
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 1: corny as songs at people's weddings. I'm like, Oh you

1116
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 1: you fucking suck. I could like roast your ass, like

1117
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 1: any time of day if whatever. She is. So that

1118
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 1: girl though, that you worshiped for like a year and

1119
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 1: a half in college, not me, not me. I saw

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01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 1: right through that show. I was like, Oh, you fucking suck,

1121
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 1: get out of my way any way, fish girl with

1122
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 1: an instrument. When I was in college, I was like,

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01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 1: oh my god, we're gonna go. We're gonna go see

1124
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 1: Cheyenne perform at the Shane. We're going to We're going

1125
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 1: to see Cheyenne Blessed performed tonight at the Crystal Head.

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01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 1: Shyanne Blessed. No, I gotta say growing up in Mormon

1127
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 1: country in Colorado, like every girl that was like Alison

1128
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 1: Mac was Mormon, and I was like, ha, you dumb.

1129
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 1: I was just like, no, I don't. I don't need

1130
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 1: to see this now. Our Mormons dumb. Yeah, yeah, Mormon's.

1131
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 1: I can't wait for real house life of Salt Lake

1132
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 1: City either. I was talking I was talking to I

1133
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 1: was talking to Marty gold Commings. I was on their podcast.

1134
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 1: Um we're talking about house ives and I was like,

1135
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 1: I'm pretty excited for Saltake City because these Mormon women

1136
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 1: are very good giving you an exterior presentation of I'm cool,

1137
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 1: like oh yeah, I'm like a I'm a painter, and

1138
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 1: you know, I have this website that's really cheicly designed.

1139
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 1: They're very tech savvy, they're very like pr savvy. They

1140
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 1: can cultivate this persona of coolness and like it is

1141
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 1: kind of I want to say, like CULTI where it's

1142
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 1: like hey, come here, like we're cool, um, and this

1143
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 1: is all stuff that, like, you know, that you can

1144
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 1: get on board with. And so I'm very excited to

1145
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 1: see sort of that a new sort of Um. I

1146
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 1: know me too. Wait, what's going on? Well, it's coming

1147
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 1: out soon, and Andy tweeted about it. He was like, um,

1148
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 1: he described it like as a blow away. He's like,

1149
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 1: He's like, it is a whole different flavor of housewives,

1150
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 1: Like you've never seen the housewives like this. And I

1151
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 1: think that it is a really good opportunity with it

1152
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 1: because kind of like what you're saying, where it's like

1153
01:04:57,160 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 1: these Mormon women like there they're they're all Leah's rights,

1154
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 1: but they you know, I think everybody gets their own

1155
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 1: planet when they die, right. But I feel like my

1156
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 1: my estimation of what Mormon culture is like is it

1157
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 1: is very like keeping up present, keeping up appearances, but

1158
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 1: underneath the surface, like there's ship going on, there's jealousy

1159
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 1: going on, there's secrets going on. Whatever. So I think

1160
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 1: that like what we might get from Salt Lake City,

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01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 1: especially with a new cast that we haven't seen interact

1162
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 1: with each other on television, and also they haven't seen

1163
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:37,439
Speaker 1: themselves interact on television is we might get a sort

1164
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 1: of return to form which we used to have with

1165
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 1: the other franchises, which was you kind of saw the

1166
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 1: cracks in the China before they cracked. Like now it's

1167
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 1: like on every franchise, including Potomac, which has been unbelievable

1168
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 1: this season. It's kind of like everyone knows everyone's gig,

1169
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 1: you know, like there's no hiding anymore, like forget it.

1170
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 1: Like when you have someone like Lisa Renna on Beverly Hills,

1171
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 1: there's no hiding. And we have to say thank you

1172
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 1: to Lisa Randa because she did give one of the

1173
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 1: most iconic lines of the year with you liked the tweet,

1174
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 1: and in liking the tweet, it says everything. It says

1175
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 1: every everything. I still enjoy so angry, angry, angry. She's

1176
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 1: done it two episodes in a row. It's You're so angry,

1177
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 1: you are so angry. Then you liked the tweet, and

1178
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 1: in liking the tweet, it says everything everything. Like if

1179
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 1: that's not everything for the year, I don't know what is.

1180
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 1: You and I saw the finale of of Beverly Hills

1181
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 1: together and we both turned to each other and like

1182
01:06:57,560 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 1: we didn't need to like read like read read like

1183
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 1: the live tweets or anything. We were just like, oh,

1184
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:07,760
Speaker 1: that's a fucking moment, Like wait, can we do it again? Yes, Denise,

1185
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 1: you're so angry angry. No, you're playing dirty. I'm not

1186
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 1: playing dirty dirty, Denise, you are so you forget Denise,

1187
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:23,000
Speaker 1: you are angry and she's like laughing like but also

1188
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 1: the beginning of the scene, I really missed you. I

1189
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:29,040
Speaker 1: miss you two Denise too, I missed Denise is also

1190
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 1: a star where she's like, what would she say? Who

1191
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 1: told you? Who told you that? Who told you that?

1192
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 1: Oh my god, she's an actress. She gets how to

1193
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 1: make something cinematic. Well they are they just actresses, but

1194
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 1: they are so stars. They are so stars, and they

1195
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 1: will give you the moment. Sitting on that couch. They

1196
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 1: knew exactly what was happening. They might not have been

1197
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:56,000
Speaker 1: happy about it, but they are going to deliver on it.

1198
01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:58,520
Speaker 1: And the thing is, You've been having a lot of

1199
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:02,320
Speaker 1: discussions recently about whether or not Denise is gonna return,

1200
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 1: and I'm torn about what she's gonna do because on

1201
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 1: the one hand, she's had such a miserable experience, like

1202
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 1: and it's been so clearly drawn in the sand, the

1203
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:19,759
Speaker 1: line like we're on this side, you're on that side,

1204
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 1: And they've so clearly made it apparent how they feel

1205
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 1: about her and how they're going to feel about her

1206
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 1: going forward. But on the other hand, it's like she's

1207
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 1: hasn't been this famous irrelevant in years, and she is

1208
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 1: so powerful on the show because they all can't stop

1209
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:41,759
Speaker 1: talking about her because they bother She bothers them so

1210
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 1: much because she doesn't made the show at all, and

1211
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 1: they can't stand it because Erica knows, and I love Erica,

1212
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:53,880
Speaker 1: but Erica knows her career is pretty reliant on the show.

1213
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 1: Kyle is only the show. Brenda at this point, like

1214
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:01,800
Speaker 1: she go do whatever she wants. But I think rin

1215
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:05,840
Speaker 1: A relishes in the show and loves her job, and

1216
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:08,320
Speaker 1: I think she comes. I I genuinely think she goes

1217
01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:10,880
Speaker 1: there to go to work. Garcell is out, she's not

1218
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:13,320
Speaker 1: She's not coming back, And to be honest with you,

1219
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 1: I'm not actually gonna miss her because she's not actually

1220
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:18,639
Speaker 1: a good housewife. I think she'll be great on the reel.

1221
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 1: I love Garcell, be like I I maybe I'd love

1222
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:23,640
Speaker 1: her on another show. Maybe they want to spin her

1223
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:25,720
Speaker 1: off and give her her own reality show. She's just

1224
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 1: not a good housewife. She doesn't mix it up, she

1225
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:31,520
Speaker 1: doesn't get involved. She said some stuff about other housewives

1226
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:33,639
Speaker 1: that they went over in the last episode of the reunion,

1227
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:37,760
Speaker 1: and she really shied away from it, like she by

1228
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:39,640
Speaker 1: the way, we should say it was so fucked up

1229
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:42,719
Speaker 1: what Kyle said to her about not paying at the charity.

1230
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:45,680
Speaker 1: Did you see this now? I I have not really

1231
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:49,559
Speaker 1: kept up with Okay, So so at the reunion, Kyle

1232
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 1: richards Um and Garcella, we're getting into it and Kyle goes, Garcella,

1233
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:56,360
Speaker 1: you came to my charity function and raised your hand

1234
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 1: for five thousand dollars and never paid. And Garcella was like,

1235
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:02,040
Speaker 1: that is not true, and she said that it's not

1236
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:04,519
Speaker 1: true about ten times, and Kyle was like, there's no

1237
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:07,800
Speaker 1: payment been made. And it's just like, fuck you, Kyle,

1238
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 1: because we all know that five thousand, a a five

1239
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:13,880
Speaker 1: thousand dollars is nothing. To Garcela, it was clearly just

1240
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:17,439
Speaker 1: a mistake or something happened. Be you're really going to

1241
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:19,880
Speaker 1: be the one who's gonna turn to the one black

1242
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:22,640
Speaker 1: woman on the cast and be like you didn't pay.

1243
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 1: Not good? Yeah, and then Andy asked Garcela. He was like,

1244
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:29,240
Speaker 1: what has it been like being the only black woman

1245
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 1: on this show? And she was answering, how, you know,

1246
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:35,559
Speaker 1: she feels like a lot of the women like didn't

1247
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:37,719
Speaker 1: make an issue about her with her about certain things

1248
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:40,320
Speaker 1: because of her race, or like tiptote around her. And

1249
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 1: it was sort of intimating that, like she wasn't able

1250
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 1: to actually have like a Housewives experience because she felt

1251
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 1: like people felt nervous to get into it with her,

1252
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:51,599
Speaker 1: but they didn't want to be the white They didn't

1253
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 1: want to be the white bitches getting into it with

1254
01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 1: And Kyle was the first one to be like, I

1255
01:10:56,479 --> 01:10:58,880
Speaker 1: didn't think about that at all. And I was like, well,

1256
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:00,840
Speaker 1: maybe you could have thought about it a little bit

1257
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:03,599
Speaker 1: more because you just said to the one black woman

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Speaker 1: that she didn't pay your charity event over five thousand bucks,

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Speaker 1: which is nothing, and you kept that information. Of course

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Speaker 1: I'll find she's got a new gig. Yeah, exactly. Um,

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01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:19,080
Speaker 1: how do you feel about someone just like posted a

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01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:21,760
Speaker 1: mem with this today so keeping up the Kardashians is

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01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:24,519
Speaker 1: over is no more? How do you feel about Chris

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01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:30,160
Speaker 1: Jenner joining joining Beverly Hills like that wouldn't that be fun? Oh,

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01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:32,960
Speaker 1: that would be an amazing idea. That would be an

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01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 1: amazing idea and so smart. But the thing is, I

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Speaker 1: think Chris Jenner would not do it because I think

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01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:40,200
Speaker 1: Chris Jenner ultimately needs to be in the edit room

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Speaker 1: and as a producer, and I don't think that she

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01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:46,120
Speaker 1: would allow someone else to manipulate her image unless she

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Speaker 1: was given producer credit. But I think in theory, it's

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01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 1: an amazing idea. No, you're you're You're absolutely correct, though,

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01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 1: in theory, I think it's great. And how do you

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01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 1: feel about it ending? End of an era? I mean

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01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:01,960
Speaker 1: I never watched it there, but it is culturally significant

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01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:04,320
Speaker 1: that it ends, sure, but you know, I mean like

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Speaker 1: the impact is forever sort of like done, Like you

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01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:13,439
Speaker 1: know that family is that family? Um? I know, Well,

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01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:16,120
Speaker 1: they will continue to have influence, they will continue to

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Speaker 1: um be in the conversation. I mean, you know, not

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01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:23,240
Speaker 1: much will change beyond just the programming of E as

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01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:25,760
Speaker 1: a network. You know, Bryan Seacrest is out of is

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01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:29,240
Speaker 1: out of a job. So that's that that that's kind

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01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:31,200
Speaker 1: of all that means to me, even though I don't

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Speaker 1: watch it. Yeah, I mean, on the beginning though if

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01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:37,479
Speaker 1: you watch that show early on though, like from this,

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01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:40,559
Speaker 1: like the few episodes I've seen from the early seasons,

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01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 1: it's like the aetic Yeah, sure, but it's but it's

1289
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:48,480
Speaker 1: just such an interesting like peek into like an inflection

1290
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:51,240
Speaker 1: point of like massive fame where you're like, oh, this

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01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 1: was like you know, this kind of like weird cookie

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01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:58,439
Speaker 1: household and you know, they were involved in the O

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01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:00,840
Speaker 1: J case and you know, the dad died and like

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01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:03,080
Speaker 1: all this stuff. But now it's and Kims paris his

1295
01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:05,920
Speaker 1: friend and now it's like, oh my god, what a

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01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 1: fucking change. Yeah, I mean, I just think, like I

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01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:13,559
Speaker 1: think it might have a little bit to do with

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01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:16,520
Speaker 1: the fact that like their situation is now too sensitive

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01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:20,439
Speaker 1: it all. It's like, I don't I don't think. I

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01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:24,599
Speaker 1: don't think there's much left for them to mind out

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01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:26,840
Speaker 1: of what their situation is, because I think maybe Kim

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01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:29,080
Speaker 1: Kardashian and Kanye West are the real dealer and are

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01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:31,559
Speaker 1: gonna stay married, And like, if you're actually gonna sit

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01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:34,160
Speaker 1: and wallow in what Kim's every day issues are, it's

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01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 1: going to get pretty fucking dark, pretty fucking soon, for sure.

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01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:41,760
Speaker 1: Fortunate overall, Listen, I think it might be time to

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Speaker 1: move on. Okay to the segment that well, do you know?

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Speaker 1: Do you remember the segment? I think I do. I

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01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 1: was trying to think of a segment maybe reader let

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01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:52,400
Speaker 1: us know. I feel like we should add a new

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01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:55,880
Speaker 1: element to the to the U and Me shows, which is, like,

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01:13:56,000 --> 01:14:00,680
Speaker 1: you know, a miniature shortened version of too moment. I

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01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:03,520
Speaker 1: love that you said. I love the way you said miniature.

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01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:08,680
Speaker 1: You said it like miniature miniature. What do you mean miniature?

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01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:16,879
Speaker 1: And you say miniature, miniature, miniature. You're I'm just collapsing

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01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:20,720
Speaker 1: my val which is my right. I'm not impeding on

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01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:22,519
Speaker 1: your rights. I'm just saying, can I can I actually

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01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:26,559
Speaker 1: just ask you a question. So the other day I

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01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:31,679
Speaker 1: was with some people and apparently I say bagel weird

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01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:36,479
Speaker 1: when I when I use it in a sentence, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I wonder I think that they might have been gaslighting me.

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01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:43,799
Speaker 1: But so listen, here's how I say the word bagel. Okay, bagel.

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01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:47,439
Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna use it in a sentence. Um, I'll

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01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:51,599
Speaker 1: just have assaulted bagel. I don't, I can't smie. Okay,

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01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:54,400
Speaker 1: then my friends are gaslighting me. Wait, okay, dude, do

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Speaker 1: that again? Bagel? Yeah, Hey, if you guys are going

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01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 1: to get a big I guess I'll just have everything. Okay, yeah,

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01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 1: but I don't even care that you're I don't even

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01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 1: care that your friends were gaslining. I feel like I'm

1330
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:15,000
Speaker 1: going crazy now thinking it doesn't matter. Oh my god,

1331
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:17,880
Speaker 1: I I'm going crazy. It was Brendan Skinnell and Joe

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01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:22,120
Speaker 1: Kim Booster and they were cackling at me because I

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Speaker 1: was saying bagel differently than I say. You don't know, Okay, fine,

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01:15:28,479 --> 01:15:31,439
Speaker 1: here's here's the word. Don't don't don't don't say the

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01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:34,400
Speaker 1: word isolated, just say the sentence. I'm like, okay, I've

1336
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 1: got so much scallion cream trees. What should I do

1337
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:38,280
Speaker 1: with it? Well? I think what you should do is

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01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:42,840
Speaker 1: put it on a bagel? Am I saying? Am? I

1339
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:47,439
Speaker 1: saying bagel? No? Okay? Good? Then okay, I'm sorry. But

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01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:49,800
Speaker 1: maybe but maybe, but maybe it's because like now you're

1341
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:54,400
Speaker 1: like aware of it. I'm saying same, I was saying

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01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:57,559
Speaker 1: at the exact same, and they were laughing at me,

1343
01:15:57,640 --> 01:15:59,639
Speaker 1: and they were like, you are You're saying we're you're

1344
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:03,120
Speaker 1: saying weird, And it was so infuriate. It was Sarahne

1345
01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:08,559
Speaker 1: and so infuriating, so infuriating you are, Denise. Did you

1346
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:12,439
Speaker 1: see that trailer with Sisha and Kate Winslet being lesbian

1347
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 1: fossil diggers. Oh yeah, that's fun. I mean, isn't that

1348
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:18,559
Speaker 1: like such a I feel like that's such a a

1349
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:22,400
Speaker 1: throwaway joke though, when you're like a lesbian paleontologist, it's like,

1350
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:26,080
Speaker 1: I mean, to lesbian fossil jaggers is a dirty rock joke.

1351
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 1: But um, the movie looks pretty good. I mean it's

1352
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:31,960
Speaker 1: Kate Winslett and Sarasha. I love that. I love that

1353
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:34,920
Speaker 1: being lesbian together. Search is in the new Wes Anderson

1354
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:37,439
Speaker 1: movie that hasn't come out yet, but but apparent. But like,

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01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:39,439
Speaker 1: what was she she was? She's been in Wess Anderson

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01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:42,760
Speaker 1: stuff before, right that she was in it doesn't matter.

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01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:45,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. She was in Grand Budapest probably, oh

1358
01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:49,840
Speaker 1: maybe one of those, yeah, something like one of those. Anyway, anyway,

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01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:52,280
Speaker 1: this is no no, no, no, no, no no. I

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01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 1: want to say, I want to. I want to. We're

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01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:57,800
Speaker 1: we're just like sort of live pitching here, like a

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01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:00,680
Speaker 1: miniature version of Top of like topwo hundred. Maybe we

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01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:03,240
Speaker 1: like each each week we present We'll do this for

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01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:05,040
Speaker 1: the next time we do just the two of us.

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01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:08,400
Speaker 1: Here's good thing. Why don't we have Here's a good thing? Here,

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01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:14,640
Speaker 1: Here's Here's good title of apple, Here's good thing. Exclamation point. Um.

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01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 1: I think that the readers should pitch topics of different things.

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01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:22,080
Speaker 1: We can count down and we'll come in the top

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01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:25,880
Speaker 1: five thing of those topics. I love that, and we'll

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01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:29,240
Speaker 1: both we'll both bring in and we'll compare notes. Yes,

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Speaker 1: so um oh, even if there's overlap, we'll be like,

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Speaker 1: oh my, had that too, Yes, and then we can

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01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:38,639
Speaker 1: call it top five. Here's no. I think we call

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Speaker 1: it here's a good thing. Here's a good thing, Here's

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01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 1: good thing. Um. Okay, Well, that's the title of this episode,

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01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:47,599
Speaker 1: and it's also the title of an upcoming segment um

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01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:50,680
Speaker 1: on this podcast. And the title of the episode is

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01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:54,879
Speaker 1: promo for the segment. Yes, oh genius. Lots of layers

1379
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 1: to the marketing. Okay. Um. So, so let's readers, let

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01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:02,000
Speaker 1: to know what you'd like us to talk about. We'll

1381
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:04,559
Speaker 1: sort of get a collective sense of what you want

1382
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:08,439
Speaker 1: us to count down. I like this. It's very Kelly Clarkson,

1383
01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:12,559
Speaker 1: Kelly Okey of us that crowdsource ideas and then come

1384
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:17,400
Speaker 1: with our own takes, very kelly yucky of us. Okay,

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01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:18,880
Speaker 1: this is I don't think so honey. This is where

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01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:21,960
Speaker 1: we each take one minute to rail against something in

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01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:24,560
Speaker 1: the culture. Matt, you have something, I have something. I

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01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:27,599
Speaker 1: do well, I was I'll say this. I actually came

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01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:30,040
Speaker 1: into this episode thinking, my I don't think so honey

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01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:32,519
Speaker 1: would be Mulan. But I think what we ended up

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Speaker 1: doing was a forty five minute Mulan. I don't think

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01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:36,519
Speaker 1: so honey. So I am. I do have something else.

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01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:42,120
Speaker 1: I love that. Okay, so um and you have it ready? Yeah, okay,

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01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:44,040
Speaker 1: this is Matt Rogers. I don't think so honey. As

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01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:46,760
Speaker 1: time starts now, I don't think so honey. The view

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Speaker 1: recast Sarah Haynes um for what I kind of have

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01:18:52,360 --> 01:18:55,799
Speaker 1: the same response to this as I do with Mulan,

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01:18:56,479 --> 01:18:59,840
Speaker 1: certainly certainly not for her political insight. And y'all, I

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01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:03,280
Speaker 1: hate to remind you this, but we're in the election cycle.

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01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:05,679
Speaker 1: And also it's weird to me that you would replace

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01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:08,400
Speaker 1: Abby Huntsman with Sarah Haynes. That does not seem like

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01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:11,040
Speaker 1: a want to want. And I have to say I

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01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:13,799
Speaker 1: do think so honey. At a Navarro who was literally

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01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:16,880
Speaker 1: sitting there and being by far the most entertaining cast member,

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01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:18,920
Speaker 1: and you don't cast her as a permanent co host

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01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:21,400
Speaker 1: after what she's done for you. I don't think so, Honey.

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01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:25,200
Speaker 1: The disrespect that that has, the disregard that that has

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01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:29,640
Speaker 1: the ability to see gold right before your eyes, that

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01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:34,040
Speaker 1: that happens, lack of energy that that has, the lack

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Speaker 1: of diversity that that has. Sarah, she's like this, she's

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01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:43,080
Speaker 1: like a you know, just she's like just like a mom,

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01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:44,720
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, not that we don't need a mom,

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01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:50,680
Speaker 1: but like but like there's not anything anyway, but like

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01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:52,760
Speaker 1: she's just like an every woman in the way where

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01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 1: it's like I don't need every woman on the show.

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01:19:56,120 --> 01:20:00,400
Speaker 1: I need some real political insights, some some die, diversity

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01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:02,880
Speaker 1: of opinion, and I don't think we're getting that with her.

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01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:07,719
Speaker 1: And after stray hand, Kiki and Sarah ended, I guess

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01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:10,240
Speaker 1: this was a good place to put her. But I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's honestly nothing against her as a person. It's just

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01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:16,080
Speaker 1: I don't get it. Yeah, you're you're right, I mean,

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01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:19,280
Speaker 1: we're we're in a very consequential election. Obviously, I feel

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01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:23,160
Speaker 1: like you're you're bringing in you know, d n C

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01:20:23,439 --> 01:20:26,080
Speaker 1: ish moderate liberalism, like you know what I mean, Like

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01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:30,719
Speaker 1: it's kind of just like she's like like like Robin's bloom.

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01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:34,360
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, fruit at the bottom, you know, fat free

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01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:37,680
Speaker 1: Greek yogurt. Very bad. I'm just kinda like bored. I'm

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Speaker 1: just I'm just like, bring in Anna, bring in Anna Navarro,

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Speaker 1: bring in Anna. She's she's politically to the right, but

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Speaker 1: I you know, I I she's fun TV. She's fun TV.

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Speaker 1: And I also get why they put Abby Huntsmananca. She

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01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:54,840
Speaker 1: was a moderate Republican and it's just like they was

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01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:57,120
Speaker 1: also a model Republican. Well she she would she would

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01:20:57,200 --> 01:21:01,439
Speaker 1: more identify as like a moderate period now. Um, I think,

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01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:06,919
Speaker 1: but because she doesn't moderate, you're bringing a moderate democrat

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01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:09,160
Speaker 1: in with Sarah Haynes. I felt what they should have

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01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:12,880
Speaker 1: done was bringing a very progressive person because I think

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01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:18,280
Speaker 1: that's like yes to the view. I was like, whoopee,

1439
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:24,240
Speaker 1: is not super progressive, Sonny. I guess Sonny is um

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01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:27,120
Speaker 1: like progressive but not really. She's a little d NCI

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01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:31,599
Speaker 1: is for me. Um Joy can be frustrating pretty DNC

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01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:37,800
Speaker 1: and she's the most liberal but you know, and then god,

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01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:41,960
Speaker 1: they should have brought in someone like, uh, I don't know,

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01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:44,720
Speaker 1: I said Anaksperian from The Young Turks, although I don't

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01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:47,920
Speaker 1: think she would take the job, but maybe or someone

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01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:52,439
Speaker 1: like I'm you know, any Va Leela, Yeah, right, like

1447
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:58,160
Speaker 1: just someone fun that's like I don't know, like engaged, involved,

1448
01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:00,840
Speaker 1: and I think that they're missing like a very aggressive voice,

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01:22:01,200 --> 01:22:03,040
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like I don't. And the

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01:22:03,080 --> 01:22:05,519
Speaker 1: thing is like I feel like they think because this

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01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:08,240
Speaker 1: is the one to one people like them would make,

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01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 1: they be like, well, if we have someone really progressive

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01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:12,040
Speaker 1: and then we need a trumper, which is not true

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01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:14,280
Speaker 1: because now that's not true at all, not true at all,

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01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:16,320
Speaker 1: because one is a valid point of view when one

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01:22:16,360 --> 01:22:19,400
Speaker 1: is an invalid point of view. So anyway, but I

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01:22:19,479 --> 01:22:22,120
Speaker 1: just I'm not I'm not excited about her coming back

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01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 1: to the show because I just don't think she brings

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01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:27,960
Speaker 1: like a dynamicism. Sure totally. Anyway, are they doing are

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01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:30,760
Speaker 1: they doing it in studio? Again? The only one that's

1461
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:34,240
Speaker 1: in studio right now is Sarah because Sonny is continuing

1462
01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 1: to do it from home, so is Joyce, so is Whoopie,

1463
01:22:36,439 --> 01:22:40,840
Speaker 1: and Megan is like eight months pregnant. So um, okay, Well,

1464
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:44,800
Speaker 1: we wish her the best, don't we um? All right,

1465
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:49,000
Speaker 1: I've publicly made so many tasteless Megan McKay jokes that

1466
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:53,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, she's I'm sadly not one of her gay friends.

1467
01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:56,360
Speaker 1: Isn't that I know? But here's here's here's what I

1468
01:22:56,400 --> 01:22:58,240
Speaker 1: have to ask you. Here's what I have to ask you.

1469
01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:01,480
Speaker 1: And I sometimes think about this. I'm being totally facetious.

1470
01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:03,600
Speaker 1: By the way, For anyone listening who's Andy looks you

1471
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:05,599
Speaker 1: on Watch What Happens Live and you were on there

1472
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:09,160
Speaker 1: with Megan McCain, would you have a good time with her? No,

1473
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:12,639
Speaker 1: you wouldn't would be like her. I'd be like, Hi,

1474
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:15,040
Speaker 1: it's nice to meet you, and I would I have

1475
01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:18,760
Speaker 1: such few opportunities to be because I'm not like I

1476
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:21,760
Speaker 1: don't consider myself like a mean person. I have such

1477
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:25,240
Speaker 1: a few opportunities to be like a bitch that I

1478
01:23:25,240 --> 01:23:29,840
Speaker 1: would relish in the opportunity. Oh my god, you but

1479
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:31,719
Speaker 1: you you know me, like any time there's an opening

1480
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:35,559
Speaker 1: for me to be like a hint of a bitch

1481
01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:40,960
Speaker 1: like you, like, well, when it's when it's justified, and

1482
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:43,200
Speaker 1: so I like, you know, a couple of this thing

1483
01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:45,320
Speaker 1: happened in the base a couple of weeks ago, and

1484
01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:47,760
Speaker 1: I was like, this is my time to shine, and

1485
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:50,880
Speaker 1: like I felt very good and comfortable about being a

1486
01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:54,040
Speaker 1: little bit of a bit because people deserved it. And

1487
01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:56,360
Speaker 1: so now I'm like, if if Megan McCain and I

1488
01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:59,240
Speaker 1: were on Watch What Happens Life together, be like, hi

1489
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:05,720
Speaker 1: you or noxious you are? You are corrosive bile in

1490
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:09,360
Speaker 1: our media landscape. Thank you. And this is this is

1491
01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:13,080
Speaker 1: where I differ because I think that I wouldn't know.

1492
01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:17,320
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want it to ruin my experience. You have

1493
01:24:17,479 --> 01:24:21,519
Speaker 1: a duty to be cruel to Megan McCain. I would

1494
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:23,479
Speaker 1: not want to be cruel to her. I would make

1495
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:26,320
Speaker 1: it clear that we don't agree on very much of

1496
01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:29,240
Speaker 1: anything outside of the fact that Trump needs to fucking

1497
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:32,000
Speaker 1: go make it clear. But I also know that Watch

1498
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:33,840
Speaker 1: What Happens Live is not the space for me to

1499
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:36,760
Speaker 1: get into it with Megan McCain. No, I'm not gonna

1500
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:38,920
Speaker 1: be like, it's not going to ruin my Watch what

1501
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:41,360
Speaker 1: Happens Live, that's for fun. I'm not going to be

1502
01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:43,720
Speaker 1: rude to her while the cameras are rolling. I'm just like,

1503
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:47,639
Speaker 1: when when like we like get walked onto set or whatever,

1504
01:24:47,680 --> 01:24:50,120
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna be like, hey, yeah, this is all

1505
01:24:50,120 --> 01:24:52,920
Speaker 1: assuming that she would want to engage with us too. Sure,

1506
01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:57,559
Speaker 1: she probably hates us. She's always on that show. She's

1507
01:24:57,720 --> 01:25:02,400
Speaker 1: always on that show, which he books her so much. Um,

1508
01:25:02,439 --> 01:25:05,519
Speaker 1: but you know what's interesting about you and I? I

1509
01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:07,519
Speaker 1: bet people on face value would think that I'm the

1510
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:16,519
Speaker 1: bigger bitch. Sure, really, yeah, I know I'm the bigger

1511
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:20,960
Speaker 1: bitch when like, in very selective pockets of time, I

1512
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:25,400
Speaker 1: am generally, I'm generally I try very hard to be

1513
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:27,800
Speaker 1: I mean, but I I reject this notion that I'm

1514
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:31,560
Speaker 1: not approachable like you, Like Matt's getting a lot of

1515
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:34,160
Speaker 1: d m s from from people who are like, hey,

1516
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:38,559
Speaker 1: send Bowen this nude or whatever I do, I literally

1517
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:41,760
Speaker 1: will get. I literally will receive nudes from Bowen. And

1518
01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:43,640
Speaker 1: I have to say, I don't think so, honey, that

1519
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:47,519
Speaker 1: I'm receiving nudes from Bowen requests for Bowen Like, I

1520
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:50,960
Speaker 1: am not Bowen's publist. Oh that's yeah, I hate that.

1521
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:53,600
Speaker 1: I don't think so many that man is not my publicist.

1522
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:57,400
Speaker 1: Please do not like solicit things that have not his assistant.

1523
01:25:57,640 --> 01:25:59,720
Speaker 1: I am not his publicist. I am not that is

1524
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:06,080
Speaker 1: I am I please direct to Bow and Yang himself

1525
01:26:06,120 --> 01:26:09,439
Speaker 1: if you would like to inquire with you. Thank you.

1526
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:14,200
Speaker 1: It also makes me feel bad. I know, I'm just

1527
01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:17,519
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. It really doesn't. In fact, sometimes I'm like, well, actually,

1528
01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:19,880
Speaker 1: I'd rather get all this stuff so I can get

1529
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:25,360
Speaker 1: some insight into how people are feeling. Oh that's that's fun. Um.

1530
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:29,920
Speaker 1: I I just want to say that, UM, you and

1531
01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:33,519
Speaker 1: I are bitches. Indifferent ways. How am I a bit?

1532
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:40,439
Speaker 1: You are? You? You? UM are very agile in your bitchiness.

1533
01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:42,760
Speaker 1: You can sort of like if you I'm saying, when

1534
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:44,200
Speaker 1: you need to be a bit you do it on

1535
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 1: such a such a quick pivot. I'm like, I gotta

1536
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:51,639
Speaker 1: really like let something like sit with me before I'm

1537
01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:56,280
Speaker 1: activated into my bitchy. I would say that I would

1538
01:26:56,400 --> 01:27:01,120
Speaker 1: say that you are more passive pressive, and I am

1539
01:27:01,200 --> 01:27:05,120
Speaker 1: more aggressive, but I can be aggressive. I think we

1540
01:27:05,200 --> 01:27:08,080
Speaker 1: both can be both. But I would say that on

1541
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:10,880
Speaker 1: the sides of the spectrum. That's where like I think

1542
01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:16,120
Speaker 1: you're bitching, you are more of UM. You're more of

1543
01:27:16,160 --> 01:27:19,640
Speaker 1: a measured like sub twiteter, and I'm more of a

1544
01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:26,040
Speaker 1: what did you say? Yeah, I'm not. I would never

1545
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:29,519
Speaker 1: go what did you say, yeah, that's amazing. I'm more

1546
01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:33,559
Speaker 1: of a here's me looking you in the eyes, confronting you,

1547
01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:37,080
Speaker 1: and you're more that happened, and then twenty five minutes later,

1548
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:41,840
Speaker 1: something searing appears on social media, or I'll go like,

1549
01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:45,880
Speaker 1: you know, someone says something grude to me. I'll be like, oh,

1550
01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:48,640
Speaker 1: well the world needs dreamers, and then all look the

1551
01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:59,519
Speaker 1: way or something, whereas I'm throwing plates, but but apologizing immediately. Um, okay,

1552
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:01,519
Speaker 1: so this is boone yangs. I don't know, this is

1553
01:28:01,560 --> 01:28:03,120
Speaker 1: this is mine, this is mine. I'm sorry. Yes, you

1554
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:05,599
Speaker 1: had a wonderful one. Yes, this is boon. I don't

1555
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:08,160
Speaker 1: think so. Wow he forgot that I did one. No,

1556
01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:10,479
Speaker 1: it was great. I just we we went on such

1557
01:28:10,479 --> 01:28:15,679
Speaker 1: a tangent. Anyway, this is I don't think so honey.

1558
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:20,360
Speaker 1: His time he is starts now, I don't think so, honey.

1559
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:24,120
Speaker 1: The price point on air purifiers. I am shopping for

1560
01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:27,160
Speaker 1: an air purifier and I'm looking at the cheapest models

1561
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:30,559
Speaker 1: and they're like four hundred dollars. I go, you cannot

1562
01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:35,439
Speaker 1: do what my PlayStation four does, sweetheart. You zap little

1563
01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:37,960
Speaker 1: dust particles and that's all you do, and then you

1564
01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:41,559
Speaker 1: cycle them back out so so so I'm breathing cleaner air.

1565
01:28:41,680 --> 01:28:45,640
Speaker 1: That's wonderful. You should cost at most a hundred and

1566
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:50,880
Speaker 1: fifty dollars. We're not doing that much. Sweet, You're doing

1567
01:28:50,920 --> 01:28:54,080
Speaker 1: one thing, and you're doing one thing decently, I would say,

1568
01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:59,400
Speaker 1: whereas my PlayStation four game console, Honey is doing everything

1569
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:02,559
Speaker 1: it is. Oh, it is connecting me to the Internet

1570
01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:05,879
Speaker 1: where I can buy games, it is to New fantastic world,

1571
01:29:06,240 --> 01:29:12,320
Speaker 1: and it is opening up experiences to me that I'm enjoying.

1572
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:15,240
Speaker 1: So air purifiers you got to be priced last. The

1573
01:29:15,320 --> 01:29:19,160
Speaker 1: market is real bullshit right now with the air purifiers.

1574
01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:21,400
Speaker 1: And that's when minute, you know, it's one of those

1575
01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:23,680
Speaker 1: things where it's like you always want one, but I

1576
01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:26,920
Speaker 1: actually never know what's what's a good price point to

1577
01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:29,840
Speaker 1: spend on them? Well, I feel like we are being

1578
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:33,759
Speaker 1: like conned into thinking, oh, you know, it's it's I guess,

1579
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:35,880
Speaker 1: I guess this is how much they cost, which I'm sure,

1580
01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:39,800
Speaker 1: like they're very sophisticated pieces of machinery, but I'm also

1581
01:29:39,880 --> 01:29:47,280
Speaker 1: like no, I mean, like I I bought the cheapest

1582
01:29:47,320 --> 01:29:52,920
Speaker 1: air purifier from Molecule. It's like that's crazy, And I

1583
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:55,120
Speaker 1: was just like, what I guess this is my only option.

1584
01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:57,400
Speaker 1: See that's that's like, that's like one of those things

1585
01:29:57,439 --> 01:29:59,559
Speaker 1: where it's like you find out how much of much

1586
01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:01,360
Speaker 1: it is and you're like, no way, Like I I

1587
01:30:01,640 --> 01:30:03,800
Speaker 1: would never thought they would be more than two hulls.

1588
01:30:04,040 --> 01:30:06,360
Speaker 1: You know what's well, you know what's an expensive item

1589
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:09,559
Speaker 1: that you never would think is this expensive? Like muscle guns,

1590
01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:12,800
Speaker 1: massage guns. Well, I bought one of those four hundred

1591
01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:15,759
Speaker 1: thirty dollars and it was worth it. Shears like shears

1592
01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:21,519
Speaker 1: that you cut hair with hundreds and hundreds of dollars.

1593
01:30:22,120 --> 01:30:24,760
Speaker 1: I found out while I was hosting Hot Dog. No,

1594
01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:28,280
Speaker 1: that's too much money. That is too much money. I

1595
01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:31,600
Speaker 1: can do. I can tag and rip something with my

1596
01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:34,280
Speaker 1: own two hands and it'd be free. My mother confirmed.

1597
01:30:34,360 --> 01:30:36,280
Speaker 1: I was like, I had no idea. She is really expensive.

1598
01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:38,080
Speaker 1: She's like, oh yeah, that's why I always get so

1599
01:30:38,120 --> 01:30:43,160
Speaker 1: mad when I dropped mine, because she feel like you

1600
01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:45,559
Speaker 1: understood your mother in a deeper way. Yeah, well, I

1601
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:47,800
Speaker 1: had no idea that there were such an investment. But

1602
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:50,800
Speaker 1: also there's so many different kinds you can get. But girl,

1603
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:52,639
Speaker 1: this is for the readers. When you go into there

1604
01:30:52,680 --> 01:30:55,960
Speaker 1: to your beautition, just know that that is an expensive

1605
01:30:55,960 --> 01:30:59,120
Speaker 1: piece of machinery. So just another reason to sit absolutely still.

1606
01:31:00,600 --> 01:31:02,559
Speaker 1: Get your blowout, girl, because that blow out is gonna

1607
01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:06,280
Speaker 1: pay for some new shears that they deserve, honey, and

1608
01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:08,040
Speaker 1: then on for us. After you get your blow out,

1609
01:31:08,120 --> 01:31:13,240
Speaker 1: ride into the desert to fight the What a great song,

1610
01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:15,760
Speaker 1: what a great movie. I'm gonna watch pocahon Test even

1611
01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:19,120
Speaker 1: though I will be um shocked at mel Gibson's presence

1612
01:31:19,200 --> 01:31:21,120
Speaker 1: in my in my ears, you know, I think I

1613
01:31:21,160 --> 01:31:24,559
Speaker 1: actually might watch Pocohontas tonight too, to be honest, it's

1614
01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:29,960
Speaker 1: a horny movie. Yeah, and well, you know, he had

1615
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:31,880
Speaker 1: it all. I think I think she should have taken this,

1616
01:31:32,200 --> 01:31:37,280
Speaker 1: she should have married. But honestly, the scene where John

1617
01:31:37,320 --> 01:31:40,559
Speaker 1: Smith and Pocohona's first see each other and then they're

1618
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:42,240
Speaker 1: standing on the rocks in the midst and they're just

1619
01:31:42,360 --> 01:31:44,640
Speaker 1: staring at each other because they've never seen anything like

1620
01:31:44,680 --> 01:31:48,760
Speaker 1: each other. That to me was art. It's art. It

1621
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:50,880
Speaker 1: transcends the medium. It's like it doesn't even matter that

1622
01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:53,120
Speaker 1: it's animation. It's like, oh my god, what a what

1623
01:31:53,160 --> 01:32:01,080
Speaker 1: a what a beautifully John we Outside of the fact

1624
01:32:01,120 --> 01:32:04,320
Speaker 1: that it's a revisionist and also that she looks like Alexandra,

1625
01:32:04,840 --> 01:32:08,599
Speaker 1: like Ambrosio, like with like eight inch waist and double

1626
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:12,400
Speaker 1: de tips, like the cheekbones sitting high to this guy

1627
01:32:12,479 --> 01:32:16,479
Speaker 1: gangle like the longest hair you've ever imagined, like long

1628
01:32:16,560 --> 01:32:20,400
Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian hair, like a fucking banging Jamaican dance hall.

1629
01:32:20,439 --> 01:32:23,120
Speaker 1: Ass I was Tina fight calls it. Yes, I will

1630
01:32:23,160 --> 01:32:26,120
Speaker 1: say my my one big nott with Pocahona's um is.

1631
01:32:26,240 --> 01:32:28,759
Speaker 1: Too many animals, too many sidekicks. You got the pug,

1632
01:32:29,200 --> 01:32:31,479
Speaker 1: you got the little flit, you got the little hunting bird,

1633
01:32:31,479 --> 01:32:33,639
Speaker 1: and then you got the raccoon. It's like, there's too

1634
01:32:33,680 --> 01:32:37,080
Speaker 1: many animals here. Yeah, yeah, it's it's the same problem

1635
01:32:37,080 --> 01:32:41,679
Speaker 1: that Mohana had. Unfortunately, too many animals um and problem

1636
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:46,080
Speaker 1: the whole middle was so boring. Well, Mulan had the

1637
01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:48,400
Speaker 1: perfect amount of animals, had mushi. You had the lucky cricket,

1638
01:32:48,439 --> 01:32:50,160
Speaker 1: that was it, and the horse, but like the horses

1639
01:32:50,240 --> 01:32:52,760
Speaker 1: more of like a was just there girl. Where was

1640
01:32:52,800 --> 01:32:56,160
Speaker 1: the cricket? Where was the cricket? Was the cricket? The

1641
01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:59,640
Speaker 1: cricket was important in the matchmaker scene. The crickets the

1642
01:32:59,640 --> 01:33:03,240
Speaker 1: reason the matchmakers, the matchmaker session failed and you got

1643
01:33:03,280 --> 01:33:06,000
Speaker 1: a damn spider coming out? Why is there a spider

1644
01:33:06,040 --> 01:33:10,880
Speaker 1: in that Matchmaker's house? Stupid? You know what it's actually like. Also,

1645
01:33:10,960 --> 01:33:13,160
Speaker 1: that part always bothered me because it's like in the

1646
01:33:13,200 --> 01:33:15,720
Speaker 1: animated movie, the grandmother gives the cricket for luck and

1647
01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:17,839
Speaker 1: then the cricket gets lose, So it really is essentially

1648
01:33:17,840 --> 01:33:20,439
Speaker 1: the grandmother's fault. So that's one note for the original movie.

1649
01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:23,120
Speaker 1: And also in this new movie, the spider being there.

1650
01:33:23,200 --> 01:33:25,160
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, all she had to do is be like,

1651
01:33:25,320 --> 01:33:27,639
Speaker 1: there's a spider under the spider there, and my sister,

1652
01:33:27,720 --> 01:33:31,000
Speaker 1: as you can see, is having a conniption fit. This

1653
01:33:30,760 --> 01:33:35,400
Speaker 1: this is what should have happened, and pretending mulan, poor

1654
01:33:35,520 --> 01:33:42,920
Speaker 1: the tea, dearest Matchmaker. There appears to be I apologize

1655
01:33:42,920 --> 01:33:44,960
Speaker 1: for talking out of turn. There appears to be an

1656
01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:49,679
Speaker 1: I rachnid creature making its way down into the teapot.

1657
01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:53,519
Speaker 1: May I please dispose of it? Thank you for telling me.

1658
01:33:53,960 --> 01:33:56,599
Speaker 1: You may pick up the cup and dispose and we'll

1659
01:33:56,640 --> 01:33:59,320
Speaker 1: begin again. Oh my god, you would have been great.

1660
01:33:59,400 --> 01:34:01,519
Speaker 1: The Matchmaker was fun, study and studient and I watched

1661
01:34:01,560 --> 01:34:04,120
Speaker 1: it together and then um, at that very moment when

1662
01:34:04,120 --> 01:34:10,120
Speaker 1: the spider comes down, Um, she goes, girl, what do

1663
01:34:10,120 --> 01:34:13,719
Speaker 1: you think of Mulan? Speak for her? Well, Sudi, Well,

1664
01:34:13,720 --> 01:34:16,360
Speaker 1: Sudie and I thought the same thing. And she was like,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's these beautiful landscapes and these actor, these

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01:34:20,720 --> 01:34:23,839
Speaker 1: poor actors doing their best with their five word lines,

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01:34:23,960 --> 01:34:27,160
Speaker 1: you know, like it's just it is what it is.

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Speaker 1: And um, unfortunately it's what we had anyway. So and

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01:34:32,280 --> 01:34:34,800
Speaker 1: unfortunately it's what we had. That's really what we have

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01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:38,160
Speaker 1: to say about Milan ultimately is unfortunately it's what that's

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01:34:38,200 --> 01:34:41,799
Speaker 1: what we had. Well, this has been a true culture

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Speaker 1: catch up. Yes, I loved this culture catch up. It

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Speaker 1: felt like a return to form. When she say, I

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01:34:47,000 --> 01:34:49,920
Speaker 1: would say, and you know, we really dug in on Mulan,

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Speaker 1: and I guess our ultimate uh reaction is no no.

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Speaker 1: And now we close every episode with the song We'll

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01:35:01,160 --> 01:35:04,600
Speaker 1: have you washed and try to print and bolster your

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01:35:04,640 --> 01:35:08,479
Speaker 1: glow with pride to trust by recipe for Instant Bride

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Speaker 1: You Will Bride. Oh Bye Bye