1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: Now from our nation's capital. This is Bloomberg Sound on 2 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: the United States is not looking for escalation. We simply 3 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: provided her information and context so that she can make 4 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: decisions about her traps. Some people are describing this as 5 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: a culmination of her career. Bloomberg Sound On Politics, Policy 6 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 1: and Perspective from DC's top name. See we just got 7 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: President Trump's endorsement, and we are honored to have it. 8 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: Who knows you know? We're proving conservative fighters shot or 9 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: intimidation and efforts to suppress her block people is illegal. 10 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Sound On with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. Nancy 11 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: Pelosi is in Taiwan. China is furious. Welcome to the 12 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: fastest hour in politics, says the speakers. Visit prompts Beijing 13 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: to schedule military drills surrounding the island. We'll talk about 14 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: a new level of tension between the two countries and 15 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: whether this is a turning point with Douglas Luke, former 16 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: US Ambassador to NATO and former White House Deputy National 17 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 1: Security Advisor for Iraq and Afghanistan. Later this hour. 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Bloomberg 22 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: Politics contributor Democratic analyst Jeanie Schanzano is here alongside Doug 23 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: High Today, former communications director for the Republican National Committee. 24 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: It's just after five o'clock in the morning now in Taipei, 25 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: or Speaker Pelosi spent the night after touching down in darkness. 26 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: Still caught a good glimpse though, of Pelosi's welcome on 27 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: the tarmac, even though it was nighttime live video streaming 28 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 1: from the airport on the terminal. It was remarkable to 29 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: see it. And as soon as you landed, Beijing issued 30 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: a series of scathing comments saying the visit severely impacts 31 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: that's a quote, severely impacts the China US Foundation, and 32 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: then announced military drills that well apparently surround the island 33 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: starting on Thursday with live ammunition. Back here in Washington, 34 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: the White House is still playing it cool. Retired Admiral 35 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: John Kirby here speaking for the National Security Council. Here 36 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: he is. This trip was the Speaker's decision. Congress is 37 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 1: an independent branch of Government, y'all know that when we're 38 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,519 Speaker 1: obviously monitoring her travel as we always do for members 39 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: of Congress, and we've taken all appropriate measures to ensure 40 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:28,119 Speaker 1: the safety of her travel throughout the region. We get 41 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,799 Speaker 1: the view of former Ambassador to NATO Douglas Lute, now 42 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: with the Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs. He 43 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: was Deputy National Security Advisor for Iraq and Afghanistan and 44 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: the w Bush administration carrying into the Obama years, former 45 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,239 Speaker 1: Director of Operations for US Central Command. Mr Ambassador, welcome 46 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: back to Bloomberg. Thanks, it's good to be with you. 47 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: It's great to have you here. As we consider the 48 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: long term impacts of this visit. Do you think it 49 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,119 Speaker 1: was a good idea for the Speaker of the House 50 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: to visit Taiwan? Well, I have to question the timing. 51 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: I'm not sure exactly what benefit we're getting from the trip, 52 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: and it comes to the comes to a sensitive time, 53 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: just as the three senior Executive Branch officials have regained 54 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: contact with their Chinese counterparts and begun to discuss the 55 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: ramifications of the war in Ukraine. So it sort of 56 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: sets us back. I think from some momentum that's been 57 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 1: established in the last several weeks momentum in our relationship 58 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: with China. How do you mean that? Yeah, it's not 59 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: clear that the relationship itself will change, But I'm of 60 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: the view that dialogue, even dialogue with your opponents or 61 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: your challengers, is not a bad thing. Does this save 62 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: the chances of a face to face meeting? I don't 63 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: think it faces it, but it sets it back. I 64 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: don't think the Chinese leaders are in a position right 65 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: now to justify a face to face meeting to their public, 66 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: especially as they moved towards the Party Congress UH in 67 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: the falls, so it'd be difficult I think for them 68 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: to justify it domestically. Some argue that that that twentie 69 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: Party Congress reference and this timing now is actually a 70 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: good reason for Nancy Pelosi to go that this is 71 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: this is the United States finally showing up for Taiwan 72 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: and and not taking UH orders in this case from Beijing. 73 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: If she had canceled this trip, what would we be 74 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: saying then? Well, I think the difficulty here is that 75 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: trip was announced wall and advanced and publicized, right, so 76 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: there were any number of options where Speaker Pelosi could 77 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: have made her point in a more subtle way and 78 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: not sort of generated a Chinese reaction um which was 79 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: inevitable given the very public announcement of the trip. So, 80 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: for example, she could have met with Taiwanese counterparts elsewhere, 81 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: or she could have done a stop and go without 82 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: all the prelude. So I think there are any number 83 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 1: of ways to handle this that would have perhaps lessened 84 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: the downside. The trip was originally set for April, as 85 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: I'm sure you know, nobody was fussing about this. Then, 86 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: of course she got COVID and had to postpone the trip. 87 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: What if she had just own up in Taiwan then 88 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 1: and did not have all the weeks of rhetoric as 89 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 1: as you mentioned, the sort of publicity that came before 90 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: this worst kept secret, even the president saying that the 91 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: military thought it was a bad idea. Would this be 92 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: a completely different scenario. I think so. The less public 93 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: these things until they actually happen, or perhaps even after 94 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 1: they've happened, the more digestible they are by both sides. 95 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 1: China will stave stage live AMMO drills starting Thursday, apparently, 96 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: exercises that will surround the island and go through the weekend. 97 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: Uh does this response match the occasion or is this 98 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 1: completely over the top? Well, I think it's over the top. 99 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: But again, this response is much more in my view, 100 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 1: about President she addressing his position inside China than it 101 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: is to have some sort of meaningful signal to us. 102 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 1: I mean, look, they conduct live fire exercises quite frequently. Uh, 103 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: and and and I don't think that's especially threatening if 104 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: there is an element of risk here, though it is. 105 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: We are also operating in the area now not includes 106 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 1: proximity to the Chinese forces. But any time you get 107 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: too sophisticated, large um military sort of in close proximity, 108 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: there's always the chance of an accident or a miscalculation, 109 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,359 Speaker 1: and of course we want to avoid that at all costs. 110 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 1: We've actually seen it before, and it wasn't that long ago, 111 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: right when a Chinese fighter plane apparently clipped the wing 112 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: of a Navy reconnaissance plane I think it was a 113 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: P three. The the Chinese fighter went down, the pilot 114 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: was lost, and uh, our our sailors and airmen on 115 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: that on that airplane ended up in custody for some time. 116 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: These little mistakes can go a long way, I think 117 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: can set back progress that should be at least able 118 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: to be discussed between the two leaders. So that's the 119 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: sort of risk here, and what we have to do 120 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 1: is compare that risk, which we're incurring now against the 121 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 1: benefit of the trip. And it's not clear to me 122 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,359 Speaker 1: exactly what the benefit is. So, Ambassador, is this a 123 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: turning point in US China relations? Are we were rethinking 124 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: the One China policy? Or is this just another chapter 125 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: in a troubled relationship. No, it's I don't think it's 126 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: a turning point. I mean, I think the President has 127 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: been quite clear. Last week. National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan 128 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: was very clear that we stand by our longstanding policy 129 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: One China UH and and and yet we reserve the 130 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: right to continue to support Taiwan's defensive capabilities. So I 131 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: don't think it's a turning point. Ambassador. You were the 132 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: White House Deputy National Security Advisor for Iraq and Afghanistan 133 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: the George W. Bush administration. You carried on the Obama 134 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: administration in a slightly different role. But talk to us 135 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: about the significance of this announcement last night from the President, 136 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: of the significance of ZA how are you killing knowing 137 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: that the country as well as you do. Do you 138 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: believe the Taliban is in fact harboring terrorists? Is that 139 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: a breach of our withdrawal deal? Yes, in both cases 140 00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: it is they are harboring. I think that's quite clear. 141 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: I mean, we have the clearest possible evidence now, having 142 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: found Zawari in downtown Cobble, apparently, at least according to 143 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: two reports, in the house owned by a senior Taliban affiliate. UH. 144 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: And it's it's quite clear to me that someone of 145 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: Zawahi's prominence wouldn't be in Cobbal at all without the 146 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: Taliban officials knowing about it. So they're clearly in breach 147 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: of that uh that provision of the February agreement. Did 148 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: the administration prove the effectiveness of over the horizon mission 149 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: capability or is that being overdone in the conversation today. 150 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: I think, at least in this case, in this specific 151 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 1: set of circumstances, they did prove the over the horizon capability, which, 152 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: of course, you know a year ago many were doubting 153 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: that we could actually do this. So this is a 154 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: significant step forward both in terms of our intelligence over 155 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: the horizon, finding Zawari and putting him in a place 156 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: and time where we could strike him, but also the 157 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: capability to strike that with precision. So I think this 158 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 1: is a significant advance. What does it tell you when 159 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: you you knew this guy has been around for a 160 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: long time and he's been running or was running al 161 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: Qaeda for the better part of a decade. The significance 162 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 1: of the imagery of Zawahiri hanging out on the patio 163 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 1: or on the balcony. I guess you'd like to go 164 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: out there every day. We've been watching him for weeks. 165 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: The idea of of seeing this safe house presented to 166 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: the President of the United States. I guess the intelligence 167 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: community made it into a model. Maybe that's something that 168 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: you used to be involved in. But clearly living with 169 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: no fear in the middle of the capital, you know, 170 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: he was an open public view with his family in 171 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: the city of over five million people um controlled by 172 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: the Taliban, So I mean, I think it's quite clear 173 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: that he was comfortable there. Um. I think what's really 174 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: important here, however, is to put the responsibility back on 175 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: the Taliban, who did sign an agreement, an agreement, by 176 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: the way, which we abided by with regard to our 177 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: full withdrawal last year right, and which now they have 178 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: proven they have not abided by the counter terrorism provisions 179 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 1: of this UH, and they've also not UM, they've not 180 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: abided by their agreement that they would UH support an 181 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: inclusive government not inclusive UM, and that that all Afghans 182 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: would benefit from the same sense of human rights and 183 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: so forth. How do you manage any of that when 184 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: you're gone? I mean we we Withdrew, who do we 185 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: deal with or do we just walk away? Well, I 186 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: don't think we can completely walk away because we still 187 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: have responsibilities there first and foremost a counter terrorism responsibility, 188 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: which is just demonstrated, right, I mean we have that's 189 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: in our own interests. But you know, Afghanistan is now 190 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: a failed state attempted to be ruled by the Taliban. 191 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: But the Taliban are finding that their ability to resist 192 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: the previous Afghan governments to be an insurgency, that that 193 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: is much easier than actually governing. And they've got significant 194 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: problems now trying to run a failed state, a failed 195 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: state that's suffering and poverty, drought, so there's a food 196 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:06,439 Speaker 1: crisis and they're largely unvaccinated against COVID, so it's it's 197 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: a real crisis where do you think the intelligence came 198 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: from on his whereabouts? Do we have people who are 199 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: are providing information who are on the ground. Was this 200 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: the million dollar bounty working for us? You know, we've 201 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 1: had multimillion dollar bounties on terrorist leaders across the years. 202 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: Frankly they haven't often paid off. But I suppose, and 203 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: I have no inside knowledge on this, but based on experience, 204 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: I suppose this was a combination of different forms of intelligence. 205 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: I do suspect that there were human intelligence assets, sources, 206 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: if you will, on the ground. I suspect that we 207 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: probably had some element of signals intelligence, so intercepted communications, 208 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: maybe not from Zawahie himself, perhaps family members for still 209 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: its right. And then I think all of that was 210 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: was tied to image intelligence, so either SAD light based 211 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: intelligence or unmanned aerial vehicles. And it's the composite of 212 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: all that info that that draws the conclusion get together, 213 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 1: that's right, and that's what takes weeks. First of all, 214 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: to arrive at the time and the place that you 215 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 1: can reliably count on him to be, and then to 216 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: strike with precision, walking us through a dangerous world. Ambassador 217 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,559 Speaker 1: Douglas Looke, we thank you for being with us again 218 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:25,199 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg. Thanks for the insights today at all. We'll 219 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: assemble the panel next as Nancy Pelosi sleeps. This is Bloomberg. 220 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg. Sound on on Bloomberg Radio. Nancy Pelosi today, 221 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: at least Taiwan time today, will meet with the President 222 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 1: of Taiwan President's side with a joint press briefing to follow, 223 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: remembering that just the news of her landing hours ago 224 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: sent Beijing on a tear announcing missile test military drills 225 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: that will encircle the island starting later on this week. 226 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: The image dree ought to be something, if only for 227 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: the domestic audience. President, she is trying to impress. Let's 228 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: assemble our panel. Jennie Schanzana was with us Bloomberg Politics 229 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: contributor and Democratic analysts, joined today by Doug Highes, Back, 230 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 1: Republican strategist, former r n C communications director, former deputy 231 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: chief of staff to Erik Canter. Alright, Jennie, she's there. 232 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: Last time we spoke, it was believed that she would 233 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: be there, but she actually touched down. Things went smoothly. 234 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 1: It was in the in the dark of night, which 235 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 1: I understand was by design, but we still saw her 236 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: pink suit a warm greeting on the tarmac. Now that 237 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: you've seen it, was this a smart move? You know, 238 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: I love the pink suit. Um, you know that is 239 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 1: pure Nancy Pelosi. She doesn't go quietly. But you know, 240 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: I think there is a question to be asked, and 241 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: and you know she has a right to go, yes, 242 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: But the question is doesn't make sense for her to go? 243 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: And you know we've all been talking about Tom Friedman's 244 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 1: editorial in the New York Times Day calling it utterly reckless. 245 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: And you know, the real question in my mind is 246 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: what's the upside? What's the point? You know, when you 247 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: look at this from a long term perspective, does it 248 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: serve the United States interests? Or does it just serve 249 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 1: her short term domestic interests. So I think there's a 250 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 1: lot of questions here, and I'm really on the fence. 251 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: I know there's a view that she had to go 252 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: once it was announced. I'm not so sure it's in 253 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: the bench best interest of the United States at this point. 254 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: How you just heard from Jeannie Chanzano, listen to Mitch McConnell, 255 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: and I'm starting to think that Nancy Pelosi just just 256 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: struck the most bipartisan chord she could have found. Here's 257 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: the minority leader in the Senate earlier today. I think 258 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: it's important that the Speaker did go to Taiwan. I 259 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: don't think the Chinese uh tell members of Congress where 260 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: they can go. He signed a letter with twenty five 261 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: Republican senators supporting the trip, Doug. This is this is 262 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: a brand new day when Nancy Pelosi's stock is rising 263 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: with Republican leadership. Do they mean this or are they 264 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: kind of goading her on? They do? And I'll tell 265 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: you you know, in two thousand ten, Joe, when I 266 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: was at the Republican National Committee, I was part of 267 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: what was called the Fire Pelosi campaign. And right now 268 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: I'm drinking from my red fire Pelosi cup, but I'm 269 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: also raising the cup to her. You know. One of 270 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: the things that Republicans are very mindful of when it 271 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: comes to Nancy Pelosi, once you get away from the 272 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: political jargon and so forth, is that she's Nancy Dallassandro, 273 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: a street fighter from from Baltimore, and she does not 274 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: back down. And Republicans, you know, quite often hate her 275 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: so much because she's so effective, and when it was 276 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: clear that once it was leaked that this may happen, 277 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: it was very clear that she was never going to 278 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: back down. I think it's smart to be there, though 279 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: I guess those are two different questions. Well, they are 280 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: different questions, and and I think we can ask about 281 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: what this strategy behind it was um but clearly she 282 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: was not going to back down. And she's mindful of 283 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: the fact that, you know, while so much of our 284 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: focus is on Ukraine, what happened in Ukraine very easily 285 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: could have or could happen in Taiwan. And she definitely 286 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: wanted to send a message that the United States stands 287 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: with Taiwan. If you think about it the other way, 288 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: g D If Taiwan is off limits to the speaker, 289 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: if that's the new rule here, Speaker of the House 290 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: in the United States not allowed to go to Taipei, 291 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: Don't we have bigger issues to address? Is it not 292 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: time to take another look at the One China policy? 293 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: Or is that just kicking the hornet's nest. We do 294 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: have a bigger issues to address, and I don't think 295 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: the fact is she's not allowed to go. Clearly she 296 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: has a right to go. I think the question is 297 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: about US foreign policy. We need to take a long 298 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: term view the way China does, and you know, we 299 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: need to understand the sensitivity to the issue of Taiwan. 300 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: And is this sort of you know, raising the level 301 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: of humiliation that they feel they suffered in the late 302 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: nineteenth century into the early twentieth century visa VI Taiwan. 303 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: Does it make sense then for her to go at 304 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: this point, and you know you mentioned Ukraine, Well what 305 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: about if China turns around and starts supporting Russia and Ukraine? 306 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: We can't as as Freedman was saying, fight on both fronts. 307 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: So you know, US foreign policy, you know, and she's 308 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: not obviously in charge of it, and she has every 309 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 1: right to go and grant her that But doesn't make sense, 310 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: I think is a real big question. And I'm not 311 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: so sure it does. And she's not just a congress person, 312 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 1: she's Speaker of the House, she's third in line to 313 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 1: the presidency. Doug, you're a communication specialist. This didn't have 314 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,439 Speaker 1: to be quite as intense as it has been. It 315 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 1: strikes me if we hadn't heard from the President himself 316 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: that the Pentagon didn't want to see this, If the 317 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: the leaking hadn't happened weeks in advance. Could this have 318 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 1: been contained a little bit more effectively. Yes. Look, certainly, 319 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: one of the challenges in Washington is what we focus 320 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 1: so much on the partisan issues. There are very real 321 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: differences between the House and Senate and Congress and the administration. 322 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: This is one of these. They have different priorities. The 323 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 1: fact that we heard that the President speak on this 324 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: was certainly surprising, and that up to the level of 325 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: the US you know, significantly. And you know, one of 326 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 1: the reasons that Pelosi now is being applauded by some 327 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 1: Republicans and obviously that will be short term applause, is 328 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: that it became clear to McConnell, to Kevin McCarthy and 329 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 1: other Republicans that backing down to China would essentially send 330 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: China the message that they can get away with whatever 331 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,120 Speaker 1: they want to. And you know, as we see what's 332 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 1: going on in Hong Kong just over the past few years, 333 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 1: China's betting that they can do whatever they want and 334 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: flex whatever muscles they wants. That's why Pelosi made such 335 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: I think an important statement, and when she landed, her 336 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 1: plane was greeted but with applause, um, and and that 337 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 1: was certainly a message that was being sent to the 338 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,120 Speaker 1: people of Taiwan. And tell you that joint news conference 339 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: tomorrow is going to be a delicate dance and we'll 340 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 1: talk more about all of it with Jeanie Schanzano and 341 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:51,640 Speaker 1: Doug High are sound on panel today the fastest hour 342 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: in politics, as we round the bends and turned to 343 00:18:55,240 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 1: primary day next with Greg Darrow. This is Bloomberg. Congressman 344 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: Peter Meyer had only been in the US House for 345 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 1: a couple of days when the Republican from Michigan voted 346 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: to impeach Donald Trump, who since vowed retribution. We've heard 347 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: this story before, choosing to endorse John Gibbs in today's 348 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 1: primary to defeat Congressman Meyer first term or Donald Trump 349 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 1: really does not like Peter Meyer. He doesn't even like 350 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: his name, as we learned at a recent rally. Listen, 351 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: one of the ten impeachers a guy who spells his 352 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:38,880 Speaker 1: name Emmy I j e Er, but they pronounced it Meyer. 353 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 1: The hell kind of a spelling is that Meyer? Meiser, 354 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: It's Meser, but it's actually pronounced Meyer. I said, how 355 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 1: the hell do you pronounce this guy's name, nobody knows 356 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 1: if he's done nothing in Washington. I said, how do 357 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 1: you pronounce his name? Is it major Meijer? They said, 358 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,640 Speaker 1: it's Meyer. How the hell do you get Meyer out 359 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 1: of it? Well, it's Meyer, and I don't know. Maybe 360 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: he helped with the name recognition there. That's back in 361 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: in April at a Save America rally in Washington Township, 362 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: the former President of the United States guessing maybe the 363 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: first time he read it he didn't realize it was Meyer. 364 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 1: But again, you heard the president. One of ten Republicans 365 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: who voted to impeach, Three of them are facing primaries today. 366 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 1: And that's where we begin with Bloomberg Elections Reporter Greg Darrow. 367 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: It's a big one, Greg. We actually have what five 368 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: states in play here as far as this race goes. Though, 369 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 1: Peter Meyer, who's who's gotten a fair amount of media attention. 370 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: How much trouble is he in? He's in trouble? Um 371 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 1: about that Donald Trump rally, though, it's kind of a 372 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,159 Speaker 1: curious strategy to make fun of a duck surname in 373 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: western Michigan. But that was very odd to hear Trump 374 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,120 Speaker 1: do that. But a war veteran, we'll see we'll see 375 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: what the voters have to say later today. In Michigan's 376 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: third district, which includes the Grand Rapids area that Jerry 377 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 1: Ford used to represent, UH, Meyer's in a tough spot. 378 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: He has that Trump endorsed challenger John Gibbs, as you mentioned, 379 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 1: and what's uh, He's also getting opposition from the Democratic 380 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,919 Speaker 1: Congressional Campaign COMMNTEE, which has decided to spend money on 381 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 1: TV ads boosting Gibbs because the Democrats think that after redistricting, 382 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: the district now leans a little bit Democratic and that 383 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 1: Gibbs would be an easier candidate to defeat than Meyer. 384 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: We're gonna have a few instances of that, I realize 385 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: in this conversation. Other than Meyer, as you point out 386 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:38,120 Speaker 1: in your column on the terminal, UH, You've got Jamie 387 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:42,120 Speaker 1: Butler in UH and Dan new House, both in Washington State. 388 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 1: Those are the other two Republicans voted to impeach Donald Trump. 389 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: Are they in the same situation? I don't think there 390 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: isn't as perilous a situation as Meyer. Tough races and 391 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: only the voters will only will know from the voters 392 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 1: later today, and it takes some time to count the 393 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 1: ballots and Washington State. They have a very drawn out process, 394 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: so it may take some time to know the verdict. 395 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 1: The other difference is that Washington State uses what's known 396 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 1: as a top two primary, under which all candidates of 397 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 1: all parties run on one ballot and the top two 398 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: advance of the general election. So two Republicans could advance 399 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: and that could give a little bit of a boost 400 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 1: to um Jamie Horrera Butler in the third district and 401 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: Dan new House in the fourth district. So not quite 402 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: the straits that Mr Meyer is in, right, Yeah, Meyer 403 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: has a straight up you know what they call a 404 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 1: closed Republican primary against John Gibbs. That's a little bit 405 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: different than the Washington races some of the other races 406 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: to watch. It's hard to ignore what's happening in Arizona, 407 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 1: and you've got Trump effect there as well. In fact, 408 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: it's a Trump Pence proxy in the gubernatorial race here 409 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: with Karen Taylor Robson endorsed by Doocey the the the 410 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: the governor now Doug Doozy, along with Mike Pence carry Lake, 411 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:54,199 Speaker 1: a former television news anchor endorsed by Donald Trump. This 412 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: is actually a pretty close one. It really is it 413 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: looked like Lake was a you know, a clear front 414 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 1: runner for most that but it looks like Karen Taylor Robson. 415 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 1: Robson has really cut into the lead and it's probably 416 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if i'd want to call 417 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,919 Speaker 1: or predicted race today should be pretty close, but it 418 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: is one of those one of many races where Donald 419 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: Trump has a cast his lot in with the preferred candidate. 420 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: Not only the governor's race, but you go down about 421 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,159 Speaker 1: the secretary of State's race, which is open because the 422 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: Democratic secretary state is running for governor attorney general's race. 423 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: So Arizona is definitely a state to watch. Then I'm 424 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 1: glad you mentioned both of those because they might not 425 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: get as much attention, not being you know, national, uh 426 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: type races, but they're very important as Donald Trump tries 427 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,199 Speaker 1: to plant seeds with election deniers. Right, if either of 428 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 1: them won those primaries and won those races, you could 429 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: have election deniers essentially running the election and one of 430 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: the most important battleground states in the country. Yes, and 431 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: those down don't bound down ballot races, excuse me, deserve 432 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: a lot more attention than they're getting. The Secretary of 433 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: States primary for example, Trump is backing Mark Fincherman state 434 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 1: representative who's advanced Trump's bogus claims of widespread voter fraud. 435 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: He has a candidate in the attorney general's race, and 436 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: the incumbent attorney General, Mark Bernovitch, is a came under 437 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: fire from Trump. He's running for the U. S. Senate, 438 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: and Trump didn't endorse him because he felt that Bernovitch 439 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,199 Speaker 1: didn't agree with his false claims about widespread fraud. So 440 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: he did endorse Blake Masters in that race. As I 441 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: see he's leading by gosh, almost twenty points. Is that 442 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 1: is that a done deal for Masters and Trump? It 443 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,880 Speaker 1: looks like Blake Matches is going to win the nomination. 444 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 1: Polling has has shown him with a consistent double digit lead, 445 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: and I think the Trump endorsement will help there as 446 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: will you know at least fifteen million dollars that was 447 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: donated to a pro Master superpack by Peter Thield, the 448 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: technology billionaires backing his protege in that election. I need 449 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: to bounce around too much, but we do have a 450 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,400 Speaker 1: number of states in play, and I have to ask 451 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: you about the erics. I mean, what a bizarre story 452 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: we're talking about here. Eric Brighten's the former governor of Missouri, 453 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: Eric Schmidt, the former attorney general, both running to replace 454 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 1: Senator Roy Blunt. There has been a great effort, as 455 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: you see in a lot of these races, to get 456 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,120 Speaker 1: the backing of Donald Trump. And so he says last night, 457 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: after advertising it on social media, I endorse Eric with 458 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: no last name, and so they both ran to take 459 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: credit for it. Greg, how does that end? Yeah, that's 460 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: one of the more bizarre endings of a U. S. 461 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: Senate Republican primary I've seen in sometimes Donald Trump's fooling around. Yeah, 462 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: I'm not, you know, he's Donald Trump is someone who 463 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 1: likes to boost his win loss record in endorsements in primaries, 464 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: and I think, you know, endorsing Eric Gryden's even though 465 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: Gryden's has been running a full throated you know, pro Maga, 466 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: you know, anti Mitch McConnell campaigned very much alliance with 467 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 1: Trump's views. Um, you know, I don't still be a 468 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: risky endorsement for Trump to take, and he doesn't like 469 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,679 Speaker 1: losing on endorsements. Well, I guess that's one way to 470 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: do it. Just give them one name. Greg, Happy primary day, 471 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: Thanks for being with us. As always, will throw this 472 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 1: to the panel. Next the Battle of the Erics on 473 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 1: the fastest hour in politics. This is Bloomberg. This is 474 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: Bloomberg sound on on Bloomberg Radio. It's from the KOFEFI playbook. 475 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 1: I can only assume or was that kofif I never 476 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: quite got it right? From the former president endorsing Eric 477 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: without a last name, even though there are two Eric's 478 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: running in the Republican primary in Missouri, and you're gonna 479 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 1: recognize at least one of them before we pull the 480 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 1: panel into this. Eric Brighten's the former governor, and he 481 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: actually he left as governor. He stepped down and was 482 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: facing all kinds of allegations, including domestic abuse, which his challenger, 483 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,440 Speaker 1: Eric Schmidt, has been glad to remind people of. Eric 484 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:54,360 Speaker 1: Schmidt is the attorney General. But Gryten's and Schmidt seized opportunity. 485 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: They saw the statement, Eric says he endorsed Eric. Well, 486 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: that's me, and of course they both jumped for the ball. 487 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: Here's Eric Graighten's the former governor. In a social media 488 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: post immediately after team we just got President Trump's endorsement 489 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: and we are honored to have it. He was very 490 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 1: clear that he wants a maggot champion. That's what I am. 491 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 1: My opponent, Eric Schmidt, He's a rhino. President Trump was 492 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 1: clear he wants a warrior. I'm a Navy seal, Eric 493 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: Schmidt's career politician. Is it coming back to you? Navy 494 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: seal rhino rhino hunting. Remember the ad Eric Riten's kicked out, 495 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: the ad that was really made for, you know more 496 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 1: to get people like me talking about it. The name. 497 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 1: He was walking down the street with a with an 498 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 1: assault style weapon and comes upon a house where apparently 499 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: rhinos live. Listen, remember this, I'm Eric Brighten's Navy seal 500 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: and today we're going to rhino hunting. That's the rhino 501 00:27:55,119 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 1: corruption and is marked by the stripes of Cowardice Wild 502 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 1: World of Animals. So they blow their way into this house. 503 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: There's smoke Bob's guy's bearing armor and action movie music. 504 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:14,880 Speaker 1: That guy Eric Righten's who again said, you know, Eric Schmidt, 505 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 1: he's no warrior. This is the Attorney General and so 506 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: did to to keep up with well the Griten's Eric 507 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 1: Schmidt puts up an ad of him holding a blowtorch 508 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: and lighting it on camera. Listen, I'm Eric Schmidt, and 509 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 1: I think Joe Biden is a total disaster. That's why 510 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: I'm taking my blowtorch to a socialist agenda. It's just 511 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: massive flamey standing in a very manly looking workshop, and 512 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: I start thinking, boy, I really should have gone into 513 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 1: the political ad business because it's too fun. Ask Doug 514 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: High as we reassemble our panel. Doug High as with 515 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: us former comms director at r N c UH Republican strategist, 516 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: and Jeannie Schanzano Bloomberg Politics contributor, Democratic analyst. What's going 517 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 1: on here, dougus? Is Donald Trump playing a plactical a 518 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: practical joke? Is this cofefy Part two? Oh? Absolutely, Look, 519 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: he likes getting attention, and what better way to do 520 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 1: it than to have a weird endorsement that gets people talking. 521 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: But I've actually I was actually in Missouri the week 522 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: before last in Kansas City and Lake of the Ozarks, 523 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: and it's interesting, especially in Lake of the Ozarks that 524 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 1: is still Trump country. You still see a lot of 525 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: Trump flags, some frags flags about a guy named Brandon 526 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 1: as well, and talking to voters there, it seemed very 527 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: clear from what we also see in the polling that 528 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: this was really a race between Eric Schmidt and Vicky 529 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:48,239 Speaker 1: Hartchler with Eric Wrighton's fading. And you know this, this 530 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: may becomes too little, too late, even if it is 531 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: a real endorsement or not um for Grighten's. But what 532 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: I heard so often from voters in um in Lake 533 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: of the Ozarks was that they just weren't Brighton fans 534 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 1: because of all the personal baggage that he has gets 535 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: into some kind of nasty stuff. I remember one lady 536 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: told me when I asked about right, and she said, 537 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: he's a real sick. Oh. So that's language you don't 538 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: always hear every day. Tells you a lot about this. 539 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: And indeed, I'm glad you mentioned Vicky Hartzler here. Uh, 540 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: if this is what it's come to with a Trump endorsement, 541 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: we're actually not sure which candidate he's chosen A genie. 542 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 1: How do he engage the impact? Yeah, and it's nice 543 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 1: to hear what Doug is talking about that the people 544 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 1: are on the side of the Republican Party, who's definitely 545 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: afraid that if they get an endorsement, or if Eric 546 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: Rayton's does win this primary seems unlikely at this point, 547 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: but he could that they will be spending a lot 548 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 1: of time with this seat and trying to get this seat, 549 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 1: hold the seat that they should be able to hold, 550 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: and look out elsewhere. So this is a real problem 551 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: for them. But I think that my favorite part of 552 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: this story is the fact that when the idea of 553 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 1: this dual endorsement of Eric, which he puts in all caps, 554 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 1: came up, President Trump Report Lee Alex Eisenstadt has a 555 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: great piece on this, reportedly asked if it was spelled 556 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 1: the same, which is a good question, because you can 557 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 1: spell Eric with a K, you can spell it c H. 558 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: He said, it's not going to work unless the names 559 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: are spelled the same, and good thing for Trump, they're 560 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 1: spelled the same, and so he was able to proceed 561 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: with this, and they were very happy about that. It's 562 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: apparently he also called both of these candidates. I mean, 563 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 1: he's just playing with them. Yeah. Absolutely, Again, this is 564 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: all about Trump being Trump, getting attention, having fun, you know, 565 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 1: getting in on the joke himself and and so forth. 566 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: It's not anything serious about this race or other races. 567 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: But one thing I should add, and sort of the 568 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 1: genie's point is, you know, Republicans in Washington are very 569 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: mindful that this looks that it could be a good 570 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 1: year for Republicans, but they've got challenging can candidates out 571 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: there who could cost them seats. And in Missouri, you know, 572 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 1: the feeling at the Republican Senatorial Committee is if it's 573 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 1: Vicky Hartzler, the race is over. If it's Eric Schmidt, 574 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 1: the race is over. If it's Eric Rayton's it's a 575 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 1: real race about that. Uh boy, I need to get 576 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: both of your takes on the three Republicans who voted 577 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: for impeachment. As we discussed with Greg Darrow, this is 578 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 1: not looking good for Peter Meyer in Michigan. By the way, 579 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 1: remember that you heard Donald Trump. You couldn't believe that's 580 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: how you pronounced his name. I don't know if you 581 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 1: heard Greg mentioned, but that that is if you're not 582 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: from that part of the country. The Meyer superstore chain 583 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: is his family. Everyone knows how to pronounced that name. 584 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 1: But I digress. You've got two others in Washington State here, 585 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:37,719 Speaker 1: as Greg wrote about Dan new House, Jamie Herrera, Butler, uh, Jeanie. 586 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: This is probably not going to be a clean sweep 587 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: for Trump, but looks like he picks off another He 588 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 1: may pick off another and I think what we're starting 589 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 1: to see is that you can win even if you 590 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 1: didn't support the big lie. And didn't and I voted 591 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 1: to impeach or voted to impeach Trump, but you're probably 592 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 1: going to have to do it the way we've seen, 593 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 1: you know, the governor of Georgia do it um you know, 594 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: which is that you've got to and and the governor 595 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 1: of Virginia, quite frankly, is that you've got to not 596 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: take him on. You've got to sort of go around 597 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: him if you will. And some of these candidates have 598 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: done that and some of them have not. And you know, 599 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: I think Peter Mayer is fascinating because there's an add 600 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: out in Michigan where he is saying that with the 601 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: Triple C and you know, pushing Gibbs, he is now 602 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: pushing that back on Nancy Pelosi. So while she's talking 603 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: about democracy in Taiwan, he is saying that this is, 604 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: you know, the height of sort of hypocrisy, and she's 605 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: pushing this guy who believes in the big Lie. So 606 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: this has been a continuing sort of controversy as we've 607 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: talked about on the Democratic side, should they be pushing 608 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: these big lie candidates. Good thing. This isn't confusing for anyone. 609 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 1: We've seen a couple of different results here at David 610 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: Valladio in California kept his job, Tom Rice in South 611 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 1: Carolina not so much. How how does this cut or 612 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,719 Speaker 1: or we just you know, back to going district by 613 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 1: disc trick different feelings about Trump and their own incumbent. Yes, 614 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: I mean that's that's exactly where it stands now. Part 615 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: of this also is happening, you know, in in the 616 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 1: atmosphere of redistricting, where members are also running in slightly 617 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,760 Speaker 1: different districts than than they used to, which which presents 618 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: its own challenge. We often see member versus member primaries, 619 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 1: which has played itself out to where their campaigning to 620 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: be who can be the most Trump like? And what 621 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 1: we see is that, you know, Donald Trump is still 622 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,320 Speaker 1: the alpha dog to the party. It's a diminished alpha 623 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,959 Speaker 1: dog that was a smaller alpha dog. His endorsement gets 624 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 1: you the vote, for sure, That's not what gets you 625 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 1: the other third unless voters feel that basically you're not 626 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,799 Speaker 1: representing them by opposing not all things Donald Trump, but 627 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 1: one big thing Donald Trump. Well, we'll be talking a 628 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 1: lot more about results of course, at this time tomorrow. 629 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 1: The other incumbent on incumbent is a Democratic race we're 630 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,799 Speaker 1: watching in Michigan, Andy Levin Hayley Stevens, who have both 631 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 1: been on this program multiple times. One of them will 632 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:02,319 Speaker 1: not continue on in the eleventh aggresitional district newly redrawn 633 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: at suburban Detroit. You might have heard mentioned, were seen 634 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: the headline on the terminal that Nancy Pelosi tomorrow is 635 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 1: going to t SMC The Washington Post is you will 636 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,880 Speaker 1: meet with the chair of Taiwan Semiconductor to talk about, 637 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 1: you know, the chip acts of fifty two billion dollars. 638 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,400 Speaker 1: Take a little bit of credit for that. T s 639 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 1: MC stands to benefit as they open a chip plant 640 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 1: and expand potentially those plans uh into Arizona. Of course, 641 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,799 Speaker 1: voting on this primary day, Genie, is this getting to 642 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 1: be a little bit too big of a visible trip 643 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,719 Speaker 1: here or is this the type of itinerary you were expecting. 644 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,319 Speaker 1: She's going to have a joint news conference with the 645 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,439 Speaker 1: President of Taiwan in the morning. I think it's very 646 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 1: much in keeping with Nancy Pelosi. You know, Doug described 647 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 1: her as a street fighter. She certainly is. She was 648 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 1: never gonna go do this quietly. Um, you know it's 649 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 1: it's and it's going to be a very very sort 650 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 1: of fraud fort you know, ninety six hours as China 651 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 1: has to respond to us, and we've seen some of 652 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 1: that already. But the bolder she gets, the more bold 653 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 1: potentially their responses. Although I don't think they'll go over 654 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 1: a line. Doug. We have less than a minute. But 655 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: are you worried about her safety in departing? Do we 656 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 1: have to worry about Chinese fighter jets fooling around or 657 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,799 Speaker 1: anything like that? No, I'm not. They know that that 658 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 1: would be the ultimate kind of escalation, which you know 659 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 1: China doesn't want to do either. Um, they want to 660 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,759 Speaker 1: see how much they can get away with. But you know, 661 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 1: Genie talks about a line. This would be the biggest 662 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:32,239 Speaker 1: and brightest line that there could be no interceptions. Doug Hide, 663 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,240 Speaker 1: it's great to have you, Genie. Chancey. No our panel 664 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 1: for today. They'll be back with us tomorrow. Here on 665 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,279 Speaker 1: the fastest hour in politics? Where does it go? If 666 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 1: you showed up late? 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