1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: As a manager, you criticize players, that's okay, but you've 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: got to take accountability yourself, and that's the thing that 3 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: Wash didn't do here. Welcome everyone to the Thursday edition 4 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 1: of Fair Territory. I'm Ken Rosenthal. We're here with Alana Rizzo. 5 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: Alana as usual, We've got a ton to talk about, 6 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: hot teams, cold teams, a cranky manager, a historic night 7 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: for women. But let's start off. Well, you tell me 8 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: what we're going to start off with. 9 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, don't forget everybody to get your 10 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 2: questions into the chat for Grill and Ken, we love 11 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 2: to hear from you. We want you to participate here 12 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 2: on Fair Territory. But yes, Ken, there is something that 13 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 2: it seems like we're always talking about. I post this 14 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 2: question the other day and people thought I was nuts. 15 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 2: Would show, hey, Otani be better off doing just one thing. 16 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 1: It is a great question, and Alana, the question has 17 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: come up throughout his career, and if you go back 18 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: to the twenty nineteen season, that was the last time 19 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: he was just a hitter back from Tommy John surgery. 20 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: That was his worst offensive season, and a couple of 21 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: years after that, I spoke with the Angels hitting coach 22 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: at the time, Jeremy Reid, and I said, hey, what 23 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 1: do you think? And Jeremy Reid's position was he needs both. 24 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: He needs to do both pitching and hitting because that 25 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 1: way he doesn't get too obsessed with one side. Well, 26 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: I think now maybe we have a different opinion because 27 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,839 Speaker 1: he is a one way player this season, and my goodness, 28 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: it has been unbelievable to see what he has done offensively. 29 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: And there's always been a sensalana too that he prefers 30 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: hitting to pitching. And I'm curious what you think might 31 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: go on here going forward. 32 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 2: It's interesting that you asked me that, Ken, because we're 33 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 2: going to actually have Mark Pryor coming up on Dodgers 34 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 2: territory at three this afternoon, three pm Eastern this afternoon, 35 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 2: and I'm going to ask him has he started working 36 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 2: with Showhy on any sort of pitching thing. Obviously we 37 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 2: know he's not pitching this year because of the off 38 00:01:56,360 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 2: season surgery, but or the offseason issues. But you have 39 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 2: to wonder, do you think that the Dodgers would have 40 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 2: signed him to seven hundred million dollars knowing that he 41 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 2: was only going to hit. I'd have to say no. 42 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 2: I think they know they want him to do both 43 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 2: sides of the play. But we'll certainly ask the mark 44 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 2: that I don't know though, ken that Showhey would be 45 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 2: willing to just hit. 46 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 1: It's a great question, and I don't know either. But 47 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: again there's always been that undercurrent. He prefers hitting. He 48 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: doesn't really love pitching as much. And the financial question 49 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: is a big one because certainly the idea of Atani 50 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 1: is he does both. That is why presumably he got 51 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: the seven hundred million. But I would contend that this 52 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: dude is going to be worth the money regardless. They 53 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: seem to sign a new sponsorship agreement every week. They've 54 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: of course deferred sixty eight million of the seventy million annually. 55 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: They're investing that, probably making money off it, making money 56 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: at the stadium off this guy. If he just hits, 57 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 1: they'll probably still be okay financially. 58 00:02:58,200 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 2: Well, I think if you give a guy seven hundred 59 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 2: million dollars, you're basically expecting to get two point eight 60 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 2: billion in return, right, isn't it four times the amount 61 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 2: that the player gets? By the way, it is, Show 62 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 2: Hey Otani Bobblehead night tonight at Dodgers stadium, So I'm 63 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 2: sure that'll be really easy to get into the stadium tonight. 64 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 2: All right, go in from show, hey Otani can to 65 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 2: the scorching white hot Philadelphia Phillies. Best record in the league. 66 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 2: Can they sustain this though. 67 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: Well it's a great question, and of course we're only 68 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: in mid May here, But let's look at where the 69 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: Phillies rank with regard to ERA and runs per game 70 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: in the league, because it shows you just how good 71 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: that they've been. They are among the leaders in both categories. 72 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: Here are the era leaders. You see the Red Sox, Yankees, Dodgers. 73 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: Phillies are fourth, with a great three at the top 74 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: of the rotation, Rangers Suarez eight to noh the one 75 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: point three seven Wheeler and Nola runs per game even 76 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: without Trey Turner of late, they are also way up there. 77 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: In fact, they lead the Dodgers by percentage points for 78 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: first in the majors in game Dodgers' next Brewers Orioles 79 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: and the Diamondbacks. I love what they're doing. They're twenty 80 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: three and five in their last twenty eight games, and Ilana, 81 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: I've said this before. This team has a special quality 82 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: to it. And I know all teams that are winning. 83 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: I think they have great chemistry and camaraderie and all that. 84 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: The Phillies have a toughness. And if you ask the 85 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: Braves and the Dodgers if they would like to face 86 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:24,919 Speaker 1: them in the playoffs, I know what the answer would be. 87 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: The answer would be no, absolutely not. 88 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 2: And I had a conversation with Sam full the vice 89 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 2: president and general manager of the Phillies yesterday, and of 90 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 2: course you mentioned the innings pitched, you mentioned the era, 91 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 2: you're mentioning the runs per game that they're getting. But 92 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 2: this is just a team that wanted to get off 93 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 2: to a very early start. 94 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 3: Ken. 95 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 2: Of course, Rob Thompson, the manager, said we waited way 96 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 2: too long the last couple of years to get hot. 97 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 2: They are doing that. Here's the only challenge I see 98 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 2: so far with the Phillies. If you're ranking the Phillies 99 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 2: amongst the top five teams in our game right now, 100 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,679 Speaker 2: I think we can all argue Braves, Dodgers, Oh's, Yankees, Phillies. 101 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 2: If you look at the Phillies is obviously they have 102 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 2: the pitching and they have the bats. But they've only 103 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 2: played three games KEN against a team with a winning record. 104 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 2: The Atlanta Braves. So there's only been three games, so again, 105 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 2: you play your schedule. That's what their schedule is. But 106 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 2: it'll be interesting to see when they play some of 107 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 2: these other teams that are equally as good or close 108 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 2: to being as good, to see what happens to them. 109 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 2: All right, coming up, of course, get those questions in 110 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 2: for Grill and Ken. We're going to get to that 111 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 2: segment in just a minute. You wanted to have a conversation, though, Ken, 112 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 2: about who won the trade in terms of who was 113 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 2: the better acquisition. Was it Dylan Sees from the White 114 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 2: Sox to the San Diego Padres or was it Chris 115 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 2: Sale from the Red Sox to the Atlanta Braves. 116 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:42,919 Speaker 1: Actually a lot of credit where credit is due. This 117 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 1: is something you raised last night and I thought it 118 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: was an amazing question. So these were two big trades. Cease, 119 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: of course, that was not something that happened until March. 120 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,679 Speaker 1: Sale was much earlier in the offseason, and the Braves 121 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: not only acquired him, they signed him to your extension. 122 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: So let's look at what the trades were and then 123 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: we'll get into just where these guys are because both 124 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: are pitching at cy young levels For their respective teams. 125 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 1: Dylan Cees two point five sorry, two point four to 126 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: five ERA and fifty five innings he's acquired was acquired 127 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: from the White Sox for Drew Thorpe, a top pitching 128 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: prospect in three others, including the veteran reliever Steven Wilson. 129 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 1: Chris Sale almost identical numbers two point five four ERA, 130 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: forty nine and two thirds innings he was acquired for 131 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 1: Vaughan Grissom. And remember the Braves got seventeen million from 132 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 1: the Red Sox in that deal, So essentially, Chris Sale 133 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 1: for this season is pitching for free from the Atlanta 134 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: Braves perspective. So if you look at it in that sense, 135 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: of course the Braves made the better deal. They didn't 136 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: have to give up as much. But the reason they 137 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: didn't have to give up as much is Chris Sale's 138 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: injury history. Dylan Cease has been for the most part, 139 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: a workhorse. He's a younger guy, he's been healthy. He 140 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: is also much more affordable right now, he's eight million 141 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 1: this year than one more year before he becomes a 142 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: free agent. So I'm interested to see how this plays 143 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 1: out a lot of because right now, yes, it's very 144 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: close but can Sale go through a whole season when 145 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: he's had so many issues over the years, some of 146 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: them freakish. That's my question. 147 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 2: I ask you this question, where did Dylan or where 148 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 2: did Chris Sale slider come from? Again, I don't know 149 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 2: what he's doing, but that slider has been so dominant. Again, 150 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 2: this is an Atlanta pitching staff can that doesn't have 151 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 2: Spencer Strider, and Chris Sale has been everything that they 152 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 2: hoped he would be at basically no cost. 153 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: To your point, the slider is the slider that we 154 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: used to see from Chris Sale, or maybe a little 155 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: bit enhanced. But to me, this comes from health. Everything 156 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: flows from health with pitchers. And he is one of 157 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: the most competitive people in the game. And we're talking 158 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: about a game of extremely competitive people. All these guys 159 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: are competitive. He is off the charts, competitive, off the charts, accountable, 160 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: And what is so satisfying to me from a fan 161 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: media standpoint is seeing a guy who kind of beat 162 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: up himself the last few years when he didn't pitch well. 163 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: He was very frustrated and at times he didn't pitch 164 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: well because he simply wasn't healthy. To see him now 165 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: at this level, it's really cool, because Chris Sale is 166 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: certainly back. 167 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 2: Who is the most competitive guy that you've been around? 168 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 2: You just mentioned this is basically, you know, seven hundred 169 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 2: and eighty guys on an opening day roster for thirty teams, 170 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 2: and they're all the competitors. Amongst the competitors, Who's the 171 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 2: most competitive guy you've ever covered? 172 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 3: You know what? 173 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: It's a guy I work with right now, John Smoltz, Okay. 174 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: And the reason I say that is obviously he was 175 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 1: competitive as a pitcher, and the Braves had that Maddox 176 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: Glavin Smolts thing. They golf together, they compete against each other. 177 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: That way, they compete each other on the against each 178 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: other on the field. But Smoltz is still playing competitive golf. 179 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: He's tried to make the Tour and or the Older Tour, 180 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: whatever it's called. He is a guy who competes at everything. 181 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 1: But he's not unusual in that regard a lot. And 182 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: I'd ask you the same question to me. These guys, 183 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: especially the ace pitchers, they are so similar in makeup. 184 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: They're crazy competitors. Kershaw is another great example. 185 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 2: That's who I would say, just in my limited you know, 186 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 2: years in the game, compared to what you've been able 187 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 2: to do. Kershaw's ridiculous. I mean his routine. He's so 188 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 2: routine oriented, it's scary, all right. Who would you want 189 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 2: in a cage match? Would it still be Smolts. 190 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: Cage match? Sure? I want I would want Albert Bell 191 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: in a cage match. Albert Belle was a bad match. 192 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: Remember when he snapped the bat over his knee. I mean, 193 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: like other guys have done that, but Albert Bell was 194 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,959 Speaker 1: someone who evoked fear in his teammates and opponents. It's 195 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: not like that anymore. Pretty much, players are nicer than 196 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: they were kind of back then and even before that 197 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: when I started. But Albert Bell was a guy that 198 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: no one wanted to mess with. So I will take 199 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: him in the cage match. 200 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 2: Okay, I will see your Albert Bell. I will raise you, 201 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,959 Speaker 2: YadA your Molina. I'm sorry, I don't want to meet 202 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 2: YadA or Molina in an alley anywhere. In a cage match. 203 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 2: I would want him to be covering me to make 204 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 2: sure that I was okay. Before we get to Grill 205 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 2: and Ken though, just to kind of to tie a 206 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 2: bow to what we were talking about with Chris Sale 207 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 2: and Dylan Ceese Chris Sale pit seven shoutout innings the 208 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 2: other day, but it has starts so far six and 209 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 2: one o two five for e er Cease leads all 210 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 2: qualifiers with a one forty one opponent average against. But 211 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 2: again it's like, what about the trades, what are they doing? 212 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 2: Can If you look at right hand or Drew Thorpe, 213 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 2: he's excelling in double A okay, one point seven to 214 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 2: three and seven starts. Hiro ERRt two point seven to 215 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 2: zero seven starts also in double A. Another right handed pitcher, 216 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 2: Von Grissom right now ken for the White For the 217 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:49,599 Speaker 2: Red Sox, a one thirty four batting average two RBIs 218 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 2: five hits only with no home runs. So if you're 219 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 2: looking at it based on return for Chris Sale and 220 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 2: Dylan Cease, I'd say definitely that Chris continues to win 221 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 2: that trade. 222 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,199 Speaker 1: Well, what's interesting here too is Gristin was hurt for 223 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: a while, so he's just kind of getting into the flow. 224 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: We'll grant him that small sample size and all of that. 225 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: The White Sox, some people thought that they didn't get 226 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: enough for Dylan Cease, and there are people in the 227 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: game divided about Drew Thorpe. We don't have to get 228 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: into it too detailed here. But some people love him, 229 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: some people don't think he's all that, and he was 230 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 1: the centerpiece of this. So yes, he is dominant at 231 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: Double A right now. And we will see in three 232 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 1: or four years how this all played out. These things 233 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: are impossible to judge in the moment. I always remind 234 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: people of that. We have to wait and see, especially 235 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: when prospects were involved, to see just how it all 236 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 1: evolves and how the players turn out to be. 237 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 2: Derek Lewandowski does a tremendous job on all of the 238 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 2: foul territory platforms here. But he just said Albert Bell 239 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 2: evoked fear in trigger treaters. I don't know that story. 240 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 2: Do you want to fill me in on this? 241 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: I don't quite recall it vividly. This was a long 242 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: time ago. But if I'm correct here, maybe Derek can 243 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: help us out. Basically, Albert Bell one Halloween trick or 244 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: truders came to his door and he was, I don't know, 245 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 1: yelling at them or whatever. So again, he was a 246 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: scary individual, great hitter, but man, he was a big 247 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: bad human being, big bad man. 248 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 2: There's your cage match guy all right. Time now for 249 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,439 Speaker 2: grill and Ken continue to get your questions in the 250 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,959 Speaker 2: chat as we grill Ken here on fair territory. It's 251 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 2: next up before we get to that, Ken is dealing 252 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 2: with a team when they are incredibly ill. Let's go 253 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 2: ahead and call them the flu Jays right now, because 254 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 2: the flu absolutely was rampant through the Toronto Blue Jays clubhouse. 255 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 2: But you and I have been there the base You 256 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 2: know baseball doesn't stop just because you're sick. 257 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: No, it doesn't. And credit to the Blue Jays for 258 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 1: getting through it and winning that game that night that 259 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 1: they had only nine available players. It is interesting to 260 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:03,439 Speaker 1: navigate as a media member when you're dealing with players 261 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: in the clubhouse because we are allowed in the clubhouse 262 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: before and after games, and when guys are sick, generally 263 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: they stay away and they'll tell you don't come to 264 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: your be But it's kind of a curious existence. Now. 265 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: It hearkens back for me alt it to the COVID 266 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: times when we all were required to wear masks, and 267 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: I would say, if I were covering the J's right now, 268 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,079 Speaker 1: I can go with the mask. Probably pretty supposed to 269 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: think to do. 270 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 2: No question, it has mat suit. Perhaps you go in there, 271 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 2: you know, completely covered in a hazmat suit. And I 272 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 2: remember when we went through the COVID times and then 273 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 2: they wouldn't let us back into the clubhouse right away. 274 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 2: I'm thinking the players were digging that because there's so 275 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 2: many non media areas pen in clubhouses that they're probably like, no, 276 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 2: keep the reporters away. But it is better that we 277 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 2: are there. We can tell better stories and we can 278 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 2: have better relationships. It is important to have that access. 279 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 1: Of course. 280 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 2: I remember there were sometimes when the you know, flu 281 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 2: or illness goes through the clubhouse and you're kind of 282 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,199 Speaker 2: trying to keep your distance, but it's a little hard 283 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 2: to do on television when you're trying to talk to 284 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 2: people on camera all right. Time now for Drill and Ken. 285 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 2: The first question is injuries since Spencer Strider's injury. Jordan, 286 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 2: thanks for taking the time to be with us here 287 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 2: on Fair Territory. Ken, this is for you. Since the 288 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 2: injury on Slot, like Spencer Strider, there haven't been many 289 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 2: major injuries since then. Has something been figured out? 290 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: That's a great point and the answer is no, nothing 291 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: has been figured out. But if you talk to baseball people, 292 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: what they will say and what they were saying in April, 293 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: is that the worst months for this are March and April. 294 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: Guys just getting back into flow in spring training season, 295 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: starting intensity ramped up, and the rate of injury for 296 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: pitchers is always higher in those first two months than 297 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: it is the rest of the season. So it's not 298 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: unusual to see what is happening to see the injury 299 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: thing level off a little bit. That said, I will 300 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: repeat everything I was saying in April about the sport 301 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: needing to do something and needing to figure ut solutions. 302 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: Jason Stark and I wrote a number of articles this week, 303 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: three of them actually mostly dealing with starting pitching and 304 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: bringing back the starting pitcher. But injuries play a role 305 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: in that. And Baseball is conducting the study right now 306 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: trying to figure out the source of the problem or 307 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: sources of the problem. No one seems to know. There 308 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: probably isn't one answer, if there is an answer at all. 309 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: But yes, the rate of injuries does decline as the 310 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: season continues. 311 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 2: And by the way, this has nothing to do with 312 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 2: what we're talking about in terms of injury. But Garrett 313 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 2: Cole is throwing off of a mound. He's getting closer, 314 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 2: so that is good news for the New York Yankees, 315 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 2: a team that is already very good in the absence 316 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 2: of Garrett Cole, largely in part to what Carlos Rodon 317 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 2: has done as well. Another question in the chat for 318 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 2: Girl and Ken, and this does have to do with 319 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 2: show Hey Atani, but they would like to know would 320 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 2: the Dodgers play Otani in the field at all this year? 321 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 2: And Ken, honestly, is there even a reason to do so? 322 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: I don't believe there is, and I know Dave Roberts 323 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: alot On maybe you can illuminate me further on this 324 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: has kind of floated this a little bit. Maybe he 325 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: could play the outfield toward the end of the year, 326 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: but the Dodgers aren't all that worried about it. It's 327 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: not something that they seem to be focusing on in 328 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: any way at all. And I would expect they'll just 329 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: take his eleven hundred ops the rest of the year 330 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: and be cool with that. 331 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty good. I mean, why would they have 332 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 2: to though, I mean, what's the point. The Dodgers don't 333 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 2: need him to play in the outfield at this point 334 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 2: unless they all went down with injuries of some kind 335 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 2: that would be silly to put him out in the outfield. Okay, Again, 336 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 2: it seems like every time we have this Grill and 337 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 2: Ken segment, there's a question regarding the White Solocks, like 338 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 2: why are they still even in Major League Baseball? But 339 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 2: that's not the question. The question comes from Eli. He 340 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 2: wanted to know what type what white socks can let 341 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 2: me sleep? I can read. First, wanted to know what 342 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 2: white socks can they type of package or what type 343 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 2: of package they can get for Tommy Fam and Eric Foddy, 344 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 2: And did they get very good? Okay, so I think 345 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 2: they just picked those guys. I think Eli's from This 346 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 2: is our friend from Israel joining us. 347 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: On a lot of give yourself a little grace. The 348 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: English there, the syntax is a little bit off Betty Fodi. 349 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: But hey, Eli, thanks for the question, and not too 350 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: early to ask that the White Sox I am quite 351 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: certain will sell and sell those two guys in particular. 352 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: We'll talk more about Fam later in the show as well, 353 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: but it depends, of course how they're doing. But Fetti 354 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: in particular, as a starting pitcher would command a pretty 355 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: good haul, not like an ace type hall. But if 356 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: he continues at this the way he has been. I 357 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: would expect, Yeah, you can get a prospect for him, 358 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: maybe two. 359 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 2: That'd be great. All right, Next is a super chat 360 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 2: We love these. Continue to get your questions in here 361 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 2: on fair Territory for Grill and Ken. A super chat 362 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 2: Ken about Kevin Gossman. Daniel wants to know could Kevin 363 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 2: Gosman be on the trade market this year? If the 364 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 2: Jays want to sell, wouldn't he be the top piece? 365 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 2: I think it's a great question. I didn't think the 366 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 2: Blue Jays would be in the cell conversation, but perhaps 367 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 2: they will be. 368 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: It's a great question. And we've talked when we've spoken 369 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: about the Jays and possibly be sellers, mostly about Guerrero 370 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 1: and Bishett, who are free agents after next year, after 371 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:09,959 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. But the question is right on because 372 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 1: if you're going to make a trade, who better to 373 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 1: trade than Kevin Gosman, who also is under control beyond 374 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 1: this year. I believe it's two more years after this one. 375 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: I might be wrong about that, and he's a guy 376 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 1: that when he is right, is an absolute ace quality pitcher. 377 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: So if the Jays do this, and I do not 378 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 1: expect that they will, then yes, Kevin Gosman would be available. 379 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: But keep in mind that front office mark Shapiro Ross 380 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: Atkins at the top. If they decide to take apart 381 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: this team, that is a condemnation of the team that 382 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: they've put together. And both are nearing the ends of contracts, 383 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 1: and I don't know if they're going to be willing 384 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: to concede so easily, especially in a world of expanded playoffs. 385 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 2: And nobody wants to admit that they've made a mistake. 386 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 2: Is John Snyder on the hot seat? 387 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,719 Speaker 1: I don't know, because John Schneider was the guy that 388 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: they elevated over Charlie Montoyo just I don't know, a 389 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: couple of years ago, and he was their guy. John 390 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 1: Schneinder is an organizational man. We love him. He's our guy. 391 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 1: It's like Ali Marvel and Saint Louis. It just gave 392 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 1: him an extension. You might argue that he should be 393 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: on the hot seat, but he got an extension two 394 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:24,360 Speaker 1: months ago. Similar type deal, handpick guy front office's preference. Well, 395 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: you fired John Schneider. You're basically condemning the hiring of 396 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: John Schneider in the first place. 397 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, And the same thing as you mentioned in Saint Louis. 398 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 2: I never understood the firing of Mike Schilt, you know, 399 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:39,160 Speaker 2: differences of opinion, differences in philosophy, and the Cardinals haven't 400 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 2: been any better since his departure. Next question for you, 401 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 2: Pete Alonso coming in on this grill and Ken Bill 402 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 2: wants to know. Hi, Bill, good to see you. Wouldn't 403 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 2: the Mets get more for Pete Alonzo now than at 404 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,919 Speaker 2: the trade deadline? The receiving team gets many more games 405 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 2: with Alonso and the Mets could have a greater return. 406 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:57,479 Speaker 2: I mean, I know he wants to be a Met forever, 407 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 2: and I know Cohen has the money. Does it make sense, Bill? 408 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: There's no question that the earlier you trade a player 409 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: with value, the more you get back in return. It's 410 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: simply what you said, You're giving the team that acquires 411 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: the player more time with him. With the Mets, though, 412 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: despite Steve Cohen's ill advised tweet yesterday that was quickly deleted, 413 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 1: they are not ready to sell yet. They have not 414 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 1: been playing well. Their pitching's kind of falling apart a 415 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 1: little bit. Offensively, they haven't been great the entire time, 416 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:31,439 Speaker 1: But I don't expect them, at least to dispoint to 417 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: entertain anything along those lines, and ultimately, if they are 418 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 1: not in contention, and again it's difficult not to be 419 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: in contention with expanded playoffs and three wild cards, But 420 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: if that is the case come July, then yes, they 421 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: have to look at it because Alonso probably is not 422 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:52,439 Speaker 1: going to resign there if they're not going to be 423 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: a good team, if they're not going to value him 424 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: the way he probably wants to be valued, and this idea, 425 00:20:58,119 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: well you can trade them and then resign them. That 426 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 1: never works. It hardly ever works. The Yankees did it 427 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 1: with the world as Chapman, but it hardly ever comes 428 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 1: to pass like that. So it's going to be a 429 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: difficult question for the Mets if indeed they're out of contention. 430 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: I'm not so sure in wild card world they will be. 431 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 2: What do you think you can get on the open market? 432 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,439 Speaker 2: Hits forty home runs, bats two twelve? 433 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 1: This is a great question, Anna and I wrote about 434 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 1: it a couple of weeks ago. Because he's going to one, 435 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: I would expect two hundred million, right, But what have 436 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: we seen in recent years for first basement they're not 437 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: getting the contracts that Albert Poohols and Miguel Cabrera and 438 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: Joey Vadro got early twenty tens, Freddy Freeman one hundred 439 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 1: and sixty two million. Matt Olsen believe it was one 440 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:46,640 Speaker 1: eighty over a lengthier term, and there was one other 441 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: I'm losing, Oh, Paul Goldschmid five years, one thirty. So 442 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: these guys are all in that similar range. And would 443 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: you pay Pete Alonzo more than Freddy Freeman on the 444 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: open market? Well, maybe the Mets would because he's their guy, 445 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 1: he's home grown, he's popular. But to me, the problem 446 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 1: is going to be justifying that Pete Alonzo is a 447 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: more valuable player and should be paid more than Freddy Freeman. 448 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: That's going to be the challenge for Alonzo for Scott 449 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 1: Boris's agent, I don't know where this goes, and I 450 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: don't know if the Mets under David Stearns are going 451 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: to value Alonso the way he wants to be valued. 452 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 1: He is a terrific slugger, there's no question about. He's 453 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,639 Speaker 1: worked hard on his defense and base running. But this 454 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 1: is going to be a very interesting situation. 455 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, Freddy Freeman is a Hall of Famer. Pete Alonso 456 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 2: is not a Hall of Famer time Now for Dude 457 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 2: and dork of the Week. Ken and I each give 458 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 2: a deserving dude and a deserving dork. Ken, We'll start 459 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 2: with your dude. 460 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 1: Believe it or not, Alana, I'm gonna go with the 461 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 1: team that you used to roll on the sidelines for 462 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 1: a team that is largely irrelevant, a team I rarely 463 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: even think about. I'm talking about the Colorado Rockies. The 464 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 1: Colorado Rockies have won seven straight games, and they did 465 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,719 Speaker 1: it against pretty decent competition. The Giants won, then they 466 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 1: swept the Rangers and swept the Padres in San Diego. 467 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: And what's interesting about them in this run, They've allowed 468 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 1: only fourteen runs in the seven games, two per game. 469 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 1: And some of their younger players now are starting to 470 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,120 Speaker 1: come on a little bit. And I'm talking about Ezekiel 471 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: Tovar and Brenton Doyle and Beck. It's interesting to see 472 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 1: these guys starting to play a little bit better. Austin 473 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: Gombers pitched like an age Jalen Beeks three saves during 474 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: this streak. There are some good things happening. I'd like 475 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: to see them sustain it a little bit, but good 476 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: for the Rockies. Seven straight Dudes of the week. 477 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, good for them. I'd love to see them sustain 478 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 2: that as well. But Black's a good baseball man. My 479 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 2: dude of the Week is actually a couple of dude ets, Ken, 480 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 2: And the reason I do that is because Jenny Kavnar 481 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 2: and Julia Morales Clark. I've known them for a long time. Collectively, 482 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 2: they have thirty three years of baseball experience under their belts. 483 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 2: But they made history on Monday, first play by play, 484 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 2: both women in the booth for play by play action. 485 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 2: Of course, Julia covering the Houston Astros. She's been with 486 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,640 Speaker 2: them for twelve She's been in the game for fifteen. 487 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 2: Jenny Kavnar eighteen years of baseball experience. She also covered 488 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 2: the Rockies, but now she is the full time, first 489 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 2: full time TV play by play woman ever in baseball history. 490 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,919 Speaker 2: She now covers the Oakland Athletics. They did a broadcast together. 491 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 2: Their daughters were there. You can see Valerie, you can 492 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 2: see Emery, just very proud of them. Well earned, incredibly 493 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 2: baseball minded women. They've worked their tails off for it, 494 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 2: and they are my Dudets of the week. So congratulations 495 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 2: to Jenny and to Julia. All Right, Ken, how about 496 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 2: your dork of the week. 497 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: All right, I'm going to do this one reluctantly because 498 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 1: this is one of my favorite people in the game. 499 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: But Ron Washington the other night when Luis Gillormey did 500 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: not get down that squeeze. But well, let's hear what 501 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 1: he said and then I'll address it. 502 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 2: The army messed it. 503 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 3: But why did you want to call that left the 504 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 3: own left fee. I didn't a Shanke a ball left hander. 505 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 3: I didn't want him to hit into a double play. 506 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 3: He can handle a bat. He didn't do the job. 507 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 3: It wasn't anything I did wrong. He didn't do the job. 508 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: All right. Now, people who know what Ron Washington in 509 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: the game, the players that he has coached, the players 510 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 1: he has managed, Everyone knows that he is direct, knows 511 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:16,120 Speaker 1: that he has no nonsense, no bs. And what he 512 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,959 Speaker 1: said there and the way he said it was perfectly 513 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: in character with Ron Washington. And essentially I kind of 514 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 1: a sort of a wash his side here from the 515 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: perspective of it's not such a terrible thing to call 516 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: out players once in a while, and we shouldn't be 517 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,199 Speaker 1: able to be so sensitive that we can hear criticism. 518 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: But here's my problem with it. When you do that, 519 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: when as a manager you criticize players, that's okay, but 520 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: you've got to take accountability yourself. And that's the thing 521 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: that Wash didn't do here. I didn't do anything wrong, 522 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: that's what he said. Well, okay, maybe it was the 523 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: proper call, maybe it wasn't. We can debate that. But 524 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,239 Speaker 1: if you're going to criticize players, you got to have 525 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,400 Speaker 1: that we're all in it together meant and Wash didn't 526 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: do that here. That's why he's dork of the week 527 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: for me. 528 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 2: As far as calling out players, my only caveat to 529 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 2: that Ken is be consistent. There are managers in this game. 530 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 2: You mentioned Ron Washington. I think of Tony LaRusso when 531 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 2: he was still managing that he that's just kind of 532 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 2: who they are, and I'm okay with that. You can't 533 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 2: pick and choose players though, you have to be consistent. 534 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 2: It can't be different rules for different guys. And I 535 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 2: think that's what is good about Washing and what was 536 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 2: good about Larusa is that he would do that to anybody. 537 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 2: You can't pick and choose, you know, based on superstars 538 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,479 Speaker 2: performance those types of things. Just be consistent in that, 539 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 2: all right, My dork of the week is Renel Blanco 540 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,719 Speaker 2: with the Houston Astros. This is a guy obviously earlier 541 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 2: this year that threw a no hitter the first of 542 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,199 Speaker 2: the twenty twenty four season. You can't claim that you 543 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 2: didn't know that sunscreen, you know, and rozen and that 544 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 2: whole type of thing leads you into this sticky situation. 545 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 2: The Houston Astros can ill afford to lose Ronel Blanco. 546 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 2: He was suspended for ten games. But keep in mind 547 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 2: ken they had a six man rotation, so it's really 548 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 2: only one start for Renel Blanco. There are seven and 549 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 2: one when he starts, they're eleven and twenty four when 550 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 2: anybody else starts, so they cannot afford to lose him. 551 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 2: Don't tell me that you didn't know what was going on. 552 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,959 Speaker 2: I mean in all of the years that Las Diez 553 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 2: has been in this game, and also you know, and 554 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 2: speaking with that umpiring crew, so that it was one 555 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 2: of the stickiest substances ever. Now he's not appealing the suspension, 556 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 2: so it goes back till Wednesday. He says he didn't 557 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 2: know that it was illegal. I'm calling bs on that 558 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,640 Speaker 2: he's not appealing, as I said, but he's really basically 559 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 2: going to miss one start and you know has an 560 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 2: undisclosed Fine, he's my dork of the week. 561 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: All on a not a perfect analogy here, but what 562 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: he said, I didn't know the rule. I didn't know 563 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: I couldn't have sticky stuff on my glove. It was 564 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: kind of reminiscent of what players who get caught for 565 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,919 Speaker 1: ped say, I didn't know. No, no, there's no excuses. 566 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,719 Speaker 1: The rules are clear, they're printed out, everyone knows them 567 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 1: or everyone should know them, and when you violate them, 568 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 1: well you've suffered the consequences. And now the question is okay, 569 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: was Ronel Blanco sticky stuff the whole time? We will 570 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 1: see how he performs the rest of the way. 571 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 2: That and this MaTx Scherzer lost his mind when he 572 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 2: was called out for having a sticky substance. If you 573 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 2: look at the body language of Ronel Blanco, it almost 574 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 2: was like I got caught, but I'm not that surprised 575 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 2: because I actually did know what I was doing was wrong. 576 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 2: But I'm gonna go ahead and say I didn't know 577 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 2: what I was doing was wrong, and not for nothing. 578 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 2: Ken if it's any other team, you're like, man, we're 579 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 2: gonna give the guy a pass. This is the Astros. 580 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 2: You don't get away with cheating like you can't. You 581 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 2: can't have this happen to you because you already have 582 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,680 Speaker 2: that label of being Now he wasn't on that twenty 583 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 2: seventeen team, But my point is, you got to be 584 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 2: very careful when you're in the Houston Astros on what 585 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 2: you're doing. 586 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: Fair enough, I don't know that the two things really 587 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 1: can be linked, but a lot of certainly the eyes 588 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: of a lot of people, the minds of a lot 589 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: of people, the astros of the Astros, they're subject to 590 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: this kind of thing. 591 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 2: And in the eyes of the twenty seventeen Los Angeles 592 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 2: Dodgers reporter that lost out on a World Series ring, 593 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 2: I can see it that way, Ken. It doesn't make sense, 594 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 2: is incredible? Probably not, but that is the way all 595 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 2: He's good. 596 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: It is a free country. People are in titles of 597 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: whatever opinions they might have, and yours in this particular 598 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: case is certainly understandable. All right. 599 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 2: It is always great to be with Ken Rosenthal here 600 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 2: on fair Territory. Don't forget we are partnered with bet MGM. 601 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 2: We appreciate them being a part of our show. Bet 602 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 2: MGM's first bet fifteen hundred dollars offer is on How 603 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 2: to get this offer in four easy steps. 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