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Speaker 1: Buck Brief. Wilfred Riley back in the mix. He is
Speaker 1: a professor an author of lies. My liberal teacher told me,
Speaker 1: Who's an excellent book. Highly recommend you get it. Professor.
Speaker 1: Great to have you back in the mix.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me on. Good to be back on
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 1: How are you feeling about the situation in this twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four election right now? Kamala Harris. They're changing everything
Speaker 1: about her. They're telling us all kinds of things that
Speaker 1: are either untrue or they're saying things that we're true
Speaker 1: or not true. What's going on? Is this going to work?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean I'm kind of worried. As a guy
Speaker 2: that generally votes Republican. I mean, I think it might work. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think what you had in this election where a
Speaker 2: lot of the double haters I've heard people call him
Speaker 2: from other consultants in my side field over to commentators
Speaker 2: like Ben Shapiro. Those are people that just hated you know,
Speaker 2: Orange Julius Caesar, Donald Trump, and that also hated Joe Biden,
Speaker 2: who's been you know, dead for three years. They wanted nothing,
Speaker 2: no part of either candidate. And now Biden is gone.
Speaker 2: And Democrats who have been on the race and gender
Speaker 2: bandwagon for a decade, now I have a chance to
Speaker 2: vote for a black woman who's fifty nine, which is
Speaker 2: a spring chicken in US politics right now. And so
Speaker 2: you've seen that vote that was at fourteen percent for
Speaker 2: Independence right for a while, RFK, Cornell West, all these people,
Speaker 2: Jorgenson that we've got in the race. Technically that's down
Speaker 2: to about five percent, and I think that's cut almost
Speaker 2: all away from Trump. So I'm a little word.
Speaker 1: I feel like in the end it'll all be okay.
Speaker 1: But maybe I'm just that's a coping mechanism at this
Speaker 1: point because the Trump campaign does seem to be a
Speaker 1: little bit of a of a tough patch, rough spot.
Speaker 1: I would say. I know they're bringing back Corey Lewandowski.
Speaker 1: That was some of the news today from twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1: He wasn't even on the campaign for that long in
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. So it feels a bit like they are
Speaker 1: unhappy at where the numbers have gone. But with Kamala Harris.
Speaker 1: It's fascinating to me, Professor. It seems like everyone knows
Speaker 1: that she's trying to do the bare minimum of campaigning
Speaker 1: and that that's the best thing for her, and somehow
Speaker 1: that doesn't seem to be a big problem. Right, Like
Speaker 1: hiding from the public at some level is tactically smart
Speaker 1: and everyone knows it, and no one seems to find
Speaker 1: that to be disingenuous or dishonest.
Speaker 2: Well, I think we've gotten used to this from these
Speaker 2: politicians during COVID nineteen and then during mad guess this
Speaker 2: is during COVID nineteen. I mean the Biden campaign, you know,
Speaker 2: the subsequent this campaign where Biden didn't want to engage
Speaker 2: Trump until that one disastrous debate. So, I mean, it's
Speaker 2: almost Kamala Harris has taken some heat for giving the
Speaker 2: same speech every time she talks, and I don't like
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris, but I want to remind you guys that
Speaker 2: that's called a stump speech. We used to see a
Speaker 2: lot of this, where a politician would go give five
Speaker 2: or six speeches a week and it'd all be eighty
Speaker 2: percent identicals. You go to Cleveland, Cincinnati, Toledo, Dayton, That's
Speaker 2: what they're supposed to do. So we've gotten used to
Speaker 2: politicians not really engaging the media, not really engaging the public. Harris,
Speaker 2: as I just implied, is actually doing that more than
Speaker 2: a lot of people, so as Trump was doing israellies.
Speaker 2: And the awkward reality there is that we're almost in September,
Speaker 2: the elections in November. So can Harris get away without
Speaker 2: more than say, two tough press conferences, without more than
Speaker 2: one debate? Yeah? Probably, Like I don't think Harris would
Speaker 2: have had much of a chance against Trump if this
Speaker 2: had been a full on year and a half traditional campaign,
Speaker 2: but it's not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's remarkable that the truncated timeline does seem to
Speaker 1: be uh, clearly an advantage for Harris, right. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know anyone who's disagreeing with that right now,
Speaker 1: and they're really hoping they can pull this off just
Speaker 1: as as quickly as possible and with the bare minimum
Speaker 1: of vetting. But what do we do with Actually, before
Speaker 1: I get to that question, I want to ask you this,
Speaker 1: what do you find to be the most objectionable thing
Speaker 1: about Kamala Harris as somebody who is trying to become
Speaker 1: president the United States? Like, what is the worst thing
Speaker 1: about Harris as far as you can see.
Speaker 2: It's not really I mean the things people bring up
Speaker 2: about past dating and all that, it's not really any
Speaker 2: of that at all. It's the most the most objectionable
Speaker 2: thing about Kamala Harris I think is that she's not
Speaker 2: the people's choice in any real way. And I mean
Speaker 2: you could say, well, she might be if she wins
Speaker 2: this election. I mean she might if she goes forward
Speaker 2: and she gets fifty one percent over someone as popular
Speaker 2: as Trump. Okay, you know she proved it. But Kamala
Speaker 2: Harris has never gotten a vote in a presidential election.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is someone we hear this. We hear
Speaker 2: this about Advance. We even heard it about Obama. I
Speaker 2: pay well, then the Senate for a year. Harris is
Speaker 2: the classic example of this. I mean, she was a
Speaker 2: short term senator from California. As I understand, she ran
Speaker 2: against Joe Biden for the presidency and she was out
Speaker 2: by the first primary. And she was pretty ruthless in
Speaker 2: that campaign. I mean, she called Joe Biden a racist.
Speaker 2: She said some things that were right on the verge
Speaker 2: of lying, like when you know, I was a young
Speaker 2: girl that had to be bussed to school and a
Speaker 2: racist America. I mean, Kamala Harris grew up in Berkeley,
Speaker 2: I mean in a wealthy Indian American household. As I recall,
Speaker 2: the bust she took was to Magnet School. So I
Speaker 2: mean she really went hard at mister Biden. You know,
Speaker 2: despite that he said he wanted a diverse woman. He
Speaker 2: kind of picked her up off the scrap peat she
Speaker 2: became vice president. She was pulling at one point seventy
Speaker 2: nine percent when he kind of rescued her. She became
Speaker 2: the vice president. She was one of the least popular
Speaker 2: vps we've had, and now all of a sudden, because
Speaker 2: Biden is bringing her to the four against Trump. I mean,
Speaker 2: she's polling very well. So we're in this weird situation
Speaker 2: where we could see Kamala Harris win or narrowly lose
Speaker 2: a presidential race despite never having gotten a presidential vote.
Speaker 1: It does look a little bizarre, yes, And I think
Speaker 1: also in the context of a party that had the
Speaker 1: super delegates essentially rigged the system against Hillary in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: and then had the party powers that be decide that
Speaker 1: Joe Biden in twenty twenty would become the nominee after
Speaker 1: he was way behind everybody else all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: South Carolina. It does feel like there's a system at
Speaker 1: work here that gets to make the important decisions for them.
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Speaker 1: the border, clearly there's sensitivities about the Biden administration letting
Speaker 1: in eight to ten million illegals. No one, there's no
Speaker 1: real number, and we're still finding out even what the
Speaker 1: official number is going to be for a fiscal year
Speaker 1: twenty four. But it's a huge number. Everyone knows that.
Speaker 1: And they're trying to run stories about Kamala Harris as
Speaker 1: though she's a border hawk. Now even some ads you've
Speaker 1: probably seen these. Is the audience for this, essentially people
Speaker 1: who are looking for an excuse to vote for Harris?
Speaker 1: Or is the audience people that just don't know anything
Speaker 1: and so you know they'll see this and actually believe it.
Speaker 2: Well, I think the audience is Democrats and independents, So
Speaker 2: I mean it's people who think that Harris is maybe
Speaker 2: five percent too soft on the border and who are
Speaker 2: ready to be convinced or something like that, Like who
Speaker 2: could hear that Trump blocked a bipartisan immigration bill that
Speaker 2: Harris supported. I mean, for conservatives who are fairly well
Speaker 2: educated on immigration, the impression would be something like, well,
Speaker 2: Harris is two hundred percent too soft on the border.
Speaker 2: I mean, there tends to be some knowledge from your
Speaker 2: audience in mind that Harris was, in fact the quote
Speaker 2: unquote borders are That's a pretty good title for it.
Speaker 2: So people aren't really gonna fall for the nonsense. But
Speaker 2: I mean you're pitching people who don't really know a
Speaker 2: lot about immigration, and you're pitching people who are from
Speaker 2: her party who think she was just a little bit
Speaker 2: on the soft side. Yeah, that's what your target base
Speaker 2: is going to be there. And I mean there's a
Speaker 2: lot of stuff like this. I mean generally when you
Speaker 2: do something like I mean the bearded white guys for
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris call, where you had all these guys, I mean,
Speaker 2: some of them were a feat nerds, but some of
Speaker 2: them were in a pretty good lumberjack cosplay. But where
Speaker 2: all of them were saying, you know, as a white
Speaker 2: man who played Gannadelf on television, I'll be given to
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris, You're not really pitching to base camps in
Speaker 2: North Dakota. And so with that sort of thing. What
Speaker 2: you're doing is appealing to a general, mostly female audience
Speaker 2: of independence by saying, well, look, I mean there's a
Speaker 2: diverse pool of people coming out for this candidate. I mean,
Speaker 2: I would assume that one of the big effects of
Speaker 2: that is that you increase donations from white women. So
Speaker 2: there's actually a sophisticated kind of chess play that goes
Speaker 2: on with that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: He's I'm the wrong candidate now that Kamala Harris is
Speaker 1: the Democrat candidate.
Speaker 2: That's actually a great question. I mean, is Trump the
Speaker 2: wrong candidate? I mean, I've I've always liked the big
Speaker 2: guy myself, but I mean, so Trump's advantages over Biden
Speaker 2: were very clear and evident. I mean, so Trump is
Speaker 2: an older guy, but he's this big, vigorous man. He's
Speaker 2: mid seventies. Biden, as I believe, over eighties eighty one.
Speaker 2: So Trump can come out and make Biden look pretty foolish.
Speaker 2: But I mean mid to late seventies, that's pretty old.
Speaker 2: So when Harris, who's fifty nine, comes out and speaks,
Speaker 2: and you have Trump on the other side of the podium,
Speaker 2: it's possible for her to do to him what Trump
Speaker 2: did to Biden. Yeah, and a lot of Harris also,
Speaker 2: as a black woman, has advantages on the Democratic side
Speaker 2: that Biden really didn't. The Democrats have played a race
Speaker 2: and sex based game for a really long time. So
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris is kind of a dream candidate for a
Speaker 2: lot of their basis. I mean, black women are the
Speaker 2: most reliable Democratic voting block, and Kamala Harris can do
Speaker 2: the entire dim pitch to them, like every four years,
Speaker 2: you have to come out and save America, my sisters.
Speaker 2: I went to Howard I pled aka Alpha Kappa Alpha.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not going to do the sorority noise,
Speaker 2: you know, but like it's just like, I mean I've
Speaker 2: dated people that are from that background. Like it's going
Speaker 2: to be pretty effective that the whole like boss lady thing,
Speaker 2: race aside, all of that is going to be brought
Speaker 2: against Trump. I mean Trump was civilly found liable not
Speaker 2: of rape and all, but of sexual assault public sexual
Speaker 2: contact with a woman like Harris can bring all that
Speaker 2: against Trump. Whereas Biden, who's an older male and a
Speaker 2: Brooks brother suit who also has been charged with worse
Speaker 2: sexual contact. I mean, he could not have done any
Speaker 2: of that.
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Speaker 1: accomplish betwe now in the election to win this.
Speaker 2: Election, Well, that's a good question. I think what Trump
Speaker 2: has to accomplish is getting his voters as excited as
Speaker 2: Harris's voters and getting them out to the pulls. And
Speaker 2: it's going to be somewhat uphill for Trump because he
Speaker 2: also has to overcome a certain degree of I don't
Speaker 2: say cheating, but flexibility in the voting rules that benefits
Speaker 2: the other party. So like when we talk about the
Speaker 2: last election, I mean, people ask was the election rigged?
Speaker 2: Almost every time as a right leaning political consultant, you talk,
Speaker 2: and there are two ways to look at that. One
Speaker 2: is like, did they actually have boxes of fake votes
Speaker 2: hidden under tables in Chicago? And, as tempting as it
Speaker 2: is to say yes as a former Chicago businessman, no,
Speaker 2: probably not. But the second question is were there people
Speaker 2: that were by one vote in state legislatures with a
Speaker 2: two vote Democratic margin changing the election laws so that
Speaker 2: you could vote by mail for four weeks before the election,
Speaker 2: with votes being counted for six days after the election,
Speaker 2: this sort of thing like we both know that happened,
Speaker 2: I mean, and there were votes being counted for a
Speaker 2: week in some states after voting had closed. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's that famous graphic of his boxes of votes were
Speaker 2: coming in, the vote totals changing from pro Trump to
Speaker 2: pro Biden. Now that I actually I'm a trained statistician,
Speaker 2: that does not necessarily indicate technical fraud. But what it
Speaker 2: does indicate is something that you almost never see in
Speaker 2: a first world electoral process. I mean, you don't normally
Speaker 2: allow people to fill out ballots and then put four
Speaker 2: of them in the same time in the mailbox in
Speaker 2: front of their house and wait for someone else to
Speaker 2: collect them. And all of that stuff advantages the Democrats
Speaker 2: who live in concentrated urban areas, who have well organized
Speaker 2: ballot harvesting operations. I don't know why there was never
Speaker 2: any mainstream media attention paid to this, but there's quite
Speaker 2: a famous Veritas or something video of someone in ilhan
Speaker 2: Omar's Minneapolis driving around with a car full of votes saying,
Speaker 2: you know, I got them pretty much legally, but here's
Speaker 2: a car full of votes. So the Republicans are going
Speaker 2: to have to overcome all of that, which is worth
Speaker 2: maybe half a point point. So to do that, Trump
Speaker 2: is going to have to have a really on point message,
Speaker 2: a really on point operation Now, when I think Trump,
Speaker 2: I think, you know, a decent, effective leader. I don't
Speaker 2: actually think really on point. I don't think a guy
Speaker 2: in every state of you know, Scott Presler quality going
Speaker 2: out knocking on doors, getting everyone ready to go on message. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: I do think that Trump has a pretty effective message,
Speaker 2: which is that Biden has been one of the worst
Speaker 2: presidents in recent history. And I don't say that just
Speaker 2: because I'm more likely to vote for the other party.
Speaker 2: I mean, when you think about the Biden administration, there's
Speaker 2: been kind of this default if you've ever owned a parrot,
Speaker 2: kind of almost avian squat from the media, best ever.
Speaker 2: But I mean, like, if you look at what's happened,
Speaker 2: I mean, you saw crime after George Floyd skyrocket over
Speaker 2: twenty thousand murders for two or three years, I mean
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two. You can't
Speaker 2: blame that on Trump. Trump's that office for two of
Speaker 2: those years. I mean, inflation got up to nine percent.
Speaker 2: This went on until early last year. I mean immigration,
Speaker 2: this has been yeah, bad, it's a bad recon good
Speaker 2: good summary.
Speaker 1: It's been pretty crazy the whole twenty two because Kamala.
Speaker 1: Depending on what the issue is is either a continuation
Speaker 1: of the Biden legacy or has nothing to do with Biden, right,
Speaker 1: and it changes day to day. It's it's been a
Speaker 1: pretty pretty astonishing process to see how that goes. I
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Speaker 1: pick up your copy, Professor. The debates we've got Harris
Speaker 1: and Trump in two that have been agreed on. She
Speaker 1: won't do Fox News, which I said on radio, there's
Speaker 1: no way she's going to the Fox News debate, and
Speaker 1: which is ridiculous, but that's the way it. Jd Vance
Speaker 1: and Tim Walls Mono amano one time. Does it matter?
Speaker 1: If so, why or if not why?
Speaker 2: Well, the debates do matter, because I mean, as we
Speaker 2: saw with Joe Biden, a good debate can really make
Speaker 2: or break a race. I don't expect Trump and Harris
Speaker 2: are both fairly good debaters. I mean, they both have
Speaker 2: the potential for an embarrassing moment, but I don't really
Speaker 2: see that as incredibly likely. You know, I think Harris
Speaker 2: will come at Trump and try to play the tough prosecutor,
Speaker 2: you know, saying things like you're convicted of thirty four felonies.
Speaker 2: I'm the kind of person that puts bad white men
Speaker 2: like you in jail. But I mean I think Trump
Speaker 2: can come back and easily note, well, you haven't put
Speaker 2: a lot of people in jail recently at all, have you,
Speaker 2: And bring up crime, bring up the border. The borders
Speaker 2: are role so on down the line. You know, the
Speaker 2: only people you put in jail were poor young black
Speaker 2: men with bags of weed twenty five years ago. So
Speaker 2: they can go back and forth at each other. The
Speaker 2: Vance Walls debate. I'd give the edge to Vance there
Speaker 2: because of the quote unquote stolen valor issue, and I
Speaker 2: mean I looked into that and it seems like this
Speaker 2: is a real albatross for Tim Walls. Like I feel
Speaker 2: like Harris didn't have the time to investigate this. You know,
Speaker 2: Walls was a guy who was in the National Guard
Speaker 2: for twenty four years, didn't deploy beyond trips to Italy
Speaker 2: and Germany, and essentially found out his regiment was going
Speaker 2: to be sent to Iraq and left. I mean mentioned
Speaker 2: that he was in the middle of a congressional race,
Speaker 2: filed papers of separation papers to leave the military. Obviously
Speaker 2: pulled some strings because he was in the middle of
Speaker 2: that that run for a power position to get out.
Speaker 2: You can't separate after four years if you're in for
Speaker 2: six have a lot of buddies in the military and
Speaker 2: officer roles not out. He was able to leave and JD.
Speaker 2: Vance was a He was a combat marine. I mean
Speaker 2: he was in a combat zone. I don't know if
Speaker 2: he took fire himself, but I mean that's something that
Speaker 2: is going to be brought up. The other thing with this,
Speaker 2: because otherwise they both would have served honorably. Walls seems
Speaker 2: to have spent years arguing that he was in not
Speaker 2: just a war, but a combat zone. I mean he's
Speaker 2: said things like, I care no one should carry an
Speaker 2: AR fifteen like I did in the war. Like I've
Speaker 2: listened to these quotes, and as someone who respects the troops,
Speaker 2: I listened with the most sympathetic here possible. It's it's
Speaker 2: impossible to mistake. I mean he did this over and
Speaker 2: over again. I mean his Congressional medal, the sort that
Speaker 2: they can give to friends and local leaders. I mean
Speaker 2: it has a command sergeant major's insigny on it. You
Speaker 2: can just google Walls metal and you'll see it. I
Speaker 2: mean it's the top, rocker the bottom. It's got ten
Speaker 2: stripes on it, star in the middle. So I mean
Speaker 2: I think jad Vance is going to be savvy enough
Speaker 2: about the military speaking to a heavily Republican audience to
Speaker 2: point some of that out, to have drawings with him
Speaker 2: and so on. So I think Vance wins out. Walls
Speaker 2: is probably going to try to play the weird card.
Speaker 2: But by this point Van's is dirty tricks guys, if
Speaker 2: you're on Twitter, of similar stories about Wall. So both
Speaker 2: of them may just avoid mutually assured destruction there. In
Speaker 2: terms of actual practice, I think Vance has a heavy
Speaker 2: advantage there. Trump and Harris, i'd expect a more even fight.
Speaker 2: Again right now, I'd give Harris a slight advantage just
Speaker 2: based on that edge of novelty. And again, this is
Speaker 2: something a Republican can never forget, the electoral advantage of
Speaker 2: the way the election is structured, and the fact that
Speaker 2: Harris has the entire media behind her running stories like
Speaker 2: this is the Kamala Namenat. That's a real headline.
Speaker 1: Well, I know the media has been doing crazy stuff,
Speaker 1: creating this whole it's fabricating this whole narrative. Aou kama.
Speaker 1: Before I let you go, your professor, you're a very
Speaker 1: very well read guy. We've talked before about some history stuff.
Speaker 1: It's mid August. Some people like me are gonna be
Speaker 1: taking off some time soon. Want a book to read.
Speaker 1: If someone's looking for a book to read, a history
Speaker 1: recommendation that you would say is just can't miss. It's
Speaker 1: so well written, such an interesting topic. What would it be.
Speaker 1: What would be your recommendation for whether you're by the lake,
Speaker 1: the pool, the you know, out in the woods, whatever.
Speaker 2: I am, my buddies. Right now, we're reading some of
Speaker 2: those really manly man's history books, like one is called
Speaker 2: The Washing of the Spears, which is about the Bantu migration.
Speaker 2: The Bantu migration is the forgotten Great Conquest. It's how
Speaker 2: the sort of medieval tech level black people that we
Speaker 2: think of as black took over Africa. There used to
Speaker 2: be a lot of other people in Africa, Pigmies which
Speaker 2: call Koiitson, bushmen, coastal Caucasians, basically whites North Africans. Now
Speaker 2: there aren't. The Black warriors basically killed them all got
Speaker 2: a little more primitive as they moved south. So Washing
Speaker 2: of the Spears is about the Zulus and all that
Speaker 2: how they came into South Africa. The Zulus invading from
Speaker 2: the north basically got into South Africa when the whites
Speaker 2: invading from the south got into South Africa, and this
Speaker 2: proved to be very bad for like the sort of
Speaker 2: lovely sheep hurting people that were there at the time.
Speaker 2: So The Washing of the Spears is a good book
Speaker 2: about the Zulu Wars. There's another one called The Wheel,
Speaker 2: the Horse and Fire or something. You'll google The Wheel,
Speaker 2: the Horse, you'll find it. But that's the one we
Speaker 2: have queued up. After that. It's about the yam Naya.
Speaker 2: There were these fairly civil, sort of chariot writing people
Speaker 2: that existed before recorded history. They had kind of a
Speaker 2: written language, they just couldn't really figure out how to
Speaker 2: write it down before paper. But those were the people
Speaker 2: that came out of like the Great Step and sort
Speaker 2: of began European civilization. And they were almost forgotten until
Speaker 2: people started doing archaeology out in the Sea of Grass
Speaker 2: there and they had had some amazing, beautiful stuff. So
Speaker 2: we're now starting to rediscover them. So those are my
Speaker 2: two books about like historical travels and conquests. Right now,
Speaker 2: what one group of white guys, one group of black guys.
Speaker 1: All right, there we go, I'm gonna pick them up
Speaker 1: and lies my liberal teacher told me, which is Wilford
Speaker 1: Riley's book. Professor, have a great rest of summer. We'll
Speaker 1: talk to you after Labor Day, and thanks so much
Speaker 1: for being with us.
Speaker 2: Thank you, sir, thanks for having me on