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Speaker 1: Today's guest is a Washington native who many may say

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Speaker 1: has made better life decisions than I have and moved

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Speaker 1: him to consistently hunt spring bears year in and year out.

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Speaker 1: In addition to being a season spring bear hunter. He

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Speaker 1: to pursue. We're talking about mister Ryan Lampers, also known

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Speaker 1: by many as the Stealthy Hunter. Over the past few years,

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Speaker 1: Ryan and his crew have had a ton of success

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Speaker 1: to him, and this puts him in spots where he

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Speaker 1: will find big bears year in and year out. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the show, Ryan, Thank you, Jason. Wow, quite an

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Speaker 1: intro there. I appreciate the acknowledgement of making better life

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Speaker 1: on one level it definitely is um As I moved

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Speaker 1: to Montana and away from the state of Washington. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would agree with you there. Yeah, about this point,

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Speaker 1: all of these Washington residents that just realize we're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about spring bear hunting. They've all just like

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Speaker 1: that turned us off. Yeah, because there's no there's no

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Speaker 1: hope for hims. They need more turkey calling probably in

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Speaker 1: their world right now with Washington and where it's at it. Oh, so,

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Speaker 1: how's everything going there in Montana? It's very white, very snowy,

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Speaker 1: very um. I don't know. It's been a long winter

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Speaker 1: and we're ready for it to be done. It's uh,

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Speaker 1: but it it doesn't look like it's melting out there. Man,

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Speaker 1: It's the mounds are white. Um. But now we're we're

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Speaker 1: all ready ready for season. It's coming quick or a

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Speaker 1: we're not going to jump the gun here, but a

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Speaker 1: I appreciate having you. Like I said, you've been you know,

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Speaker 1: I would say you even joke with me, which I

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Speaker 1: hope it's a joke that you may even put like

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Speaker 1: spring bearing above archery, running elk, which is it's tough

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Speaker 1: of those hunts that I kind of I'm jealous of,

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Speaker 1: Like I just want to be out there and see

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Speaker 1: what you guys do. The country that you guys are

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Speaker 1: boards here for the most part, Man, there's spring bear hunting.

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Speaker 1: You know, I can honestly say, coming from Washington, we

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Speaker 1: But um fall bear was always very popular with us.

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Speaker 1: in my heart because I I wasn't lying Jason. It

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Speaker 1: is my number two um right Rice square behind Meal

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Speaker 1: there which will never be overtaken. But I there's just

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Speaker 1: So the challenge of a spring bear hunt is incredible.

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Speaker 1: You can you can basically plan a trip around whatever

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Speaker 1: m I absolutely love the places that bears bring you

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Speaker 1: They're probably going to be running about generally the same time.

428
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,639
Speaker 1: Maybe it pushes it back a little bit, but not much.

429
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,639
Speaker 1: You know, usually by late May, you know, those bears

430
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 1: are starting to travel. You're grabbing bars, running ridges and

431
00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 1: looking for sALS and then yeah, usually you know, come

432
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:17,439
Speaker 1: June they can be lockdown pretty good at times. Yeah.

433
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 1: The next question we got is how often can you

434
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,400
Speaker 1: reliably find bears or bears of kind of the same

435
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:29,879
Speaker 1: caliber in the same area year after year. Yeah, surprisingly

436
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,679
Speaker 1: quite often. And I'll have disagreements with people. I know

437
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 1: guys will say, no, it's not the case, they just

438
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 1: moved too much. But I can't tell you how many

439
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:44,399
Speaker 1: bears we've been able to relocate and with absolute certainty,

440
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 1: you know, year to year, that is the same bear

441
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:52,199
Speaker 1: we saw last year. Now it changes, you know, But

442
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,440
Speaker 1: early in the season, I keep going back to early

443
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 1: in the season, the front end of the season. I've

444
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,200
Speaker 1: found that a lot of those older mature bars will

445
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 1: frequent the same general area as they did the year prior.

446
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,920
Speaker 1: On multiple occasions, I've gone back and found bears that

447
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 1: I've seen I had seen the year prior, and gone

448
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 1: back and relocated that bear the following spring. Now everything

449
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:24,400
Speaker 1: changes once that green wave just goes from top to bottom.

450
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 1: When it's green from two thousand to sixty five feet,

451
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 1: you know, number one, it's going to be hard to

452
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 1: pinpoint those bears. They're kind of all over the place.

453
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,159
Speaker 1: They're really starting to range at that point. You know,

454
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 1: they'll hang more into the timber where they're not as visible.

455
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,640
Speaker 1: You know, the green up is just such that it's

456
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 1: kind of everywhere. But absolutely, I've even found fall bears

457
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 1: in similar drainages. When I think back to my Washington

458
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 1: fall bear days, I've found bears that I could relocate

459
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:58,679
Speaker 1: year after year after year in the same small drainage

460
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:04,919
Speaker 1: on Barryfield. So it's definitely it's definitely something that that

461
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 1: you can It's not going to happen every year, but

462
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 1: we've proven it to be the case that you can

463
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 1: go back and relocate year after year. Yeah, And on

464
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 1: that same thread, um, do you feel you know, similar

465
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 1: to deer and elk. You know, you take a giant

466
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 1: buck or a giant bowl or a big buck or

467
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,199
Speaker 1: big bowl out of it, do you feel that you

468
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,159
Speaker 1: can like overharvest you know, the more mature bars if

469
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 1: you're hunting the same areas or are they just pulling

470
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 1: sALS into an areas out like their home range? Um?

471
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 1: Or will the quality eventually go down? Like? What's your

472
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 1: opinion on that? I have a theory, Jason, have a theory.

473
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's fright or not, UM, but

474
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,919
Speaker 1: I will take an area, for example, there's an area

475
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 1: that I'd hunted and took some incredibly old bears out

476
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 1: of for years, so multiple years UM and took the

477
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 1: oldest and baddest mofos up on the mountain and U

478
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: and then about year five you go back and not

479
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: seeing those old mature bears, you know, there hadn't been

480
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 1: enough time for another one to move in and take

481
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 1: these prime feed locations. You know, generally what you find

482
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,679
Speaker 1: with the oldest, most mature is they finally these just

483
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: magical areas out on the mountain. It's got everything, it's

484
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 1: got feed, it's got the water, it's got everything. They

485
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 1: need now. Eventually that area will get filled in with

486
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: another old bore. But I've noticed that when you hunt

487
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 1: an area out and you've taken the oldest baddish bears

488
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,360
Speaker 1: on the mountain for multiple years in a row, You're

489
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 1: gonna hit a point where there's gonna be a little

490
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: gap from what I've seen. And for example, last year,

491
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 1: I'd gone back to an area that I'd taken some

492
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: great bears out of, and all of a sudden, you know,

493
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 1: in years past, I hadn't been seeing a whole lot

494
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,919
Speaker 1: of cubs. It's rare, you see, Like I don't know,

495
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: on a trip, you might see a couple of South

496
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: Cub combos right last year, I can't remember the exact numbers,

497
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 1: like eleven, twelve or thirteen different South Cub combos in

498
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 1: these areas where now I'm not seeing any old boars,

499
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,360
Speaker 1: but I'm seeing these young bears and the sALS or

500
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: like feeling, you know, confident enough to run their cubs

501
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 1: through there. I feel like what happened. And I'm just

502
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 1: telling myself this, Maybe it's not true, but those old

503
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: boars were were annihilating those cubs for years and and

504
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: I think by taking them all out. It actually caused

505
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: a boom in bear population in that general region because

506
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:44,199
Speaker 1: now there is just most every south cub combo we

507
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: were seeing had at least two cubs, often three and so. Um,

508
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 1: but we were really struggling to pick up the most

509
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 1: old mature boars. It was slim pickings on that front.

510
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: But man, we saw a lot of bears. Yeah, that

511
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. And then you always wonder

512
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 1: once there's that high of a population of bears and

513
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: there is that not allowing like boars to reach that

514
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,479
Speaker 1: like very high level of maturity or have they just

515
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 1: not moved in? Um? Interesting? So I know we've talked

516
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,199
Speaker 1: a lot about food source or you even said like

517
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: finding some of those big bares like before the food

518
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: even starts to grow there. So we know food's very important. Um.

519
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 1: What do you like to see as far as like

520
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: certain features or a combination of food and features? So

521
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: if you're to take you know this this prime lush

522
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: green food. Is that all that matters? Or are there

523
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 1: features you like to see, like the ability to go

524
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,360
Speaker 1: lay in timber? You know where we hunt in the blues.

525
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 1: It seemed like when it rained, Um, you know when

526
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: when when it stopped raining, you were going to find

527
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 1: them right on the fringes right there coming back out

528
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: from stand dry or um, you know, holding up. What

529
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: features are you looking for during a spring hunt to

530
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: kind of combine with the food source. UM. I'd say

531
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: the most obvious like UM, Like I mentioned before, my

532
00:27:55,760 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: go to areas are steep, nasty, rocky type drainages that

533
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: have a lot of water in the bottom. Generally they're

534
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: a longer drainage and uh, you know, you get that

535
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: moss covered rock kind of on the bottom end of

536
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,239
Speaker 1: the drainage and then it kind of goes up from

537
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 1: the air and opens up. I'm looking for those type areas.

538
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: But one thing I've found on these spring spring bears

539
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: is when you can find and high on the mountain

540
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 1: spring like a spring that's up there forty five to

541
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: six thousand feet and that snow receeds and you gotta

542
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 1: you know, you got this ridge and you got a

543
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: north slope on the other side with deep timber. Those

544
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 1: bears are able to go back and forth, you know,

545
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: grab that shade on the north slope and then come

546
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: right back up and over and get that lush green.

547
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: Oftentimes it's like avalanche lilies that inhabit that area, you know,

548
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,479
Speaker 1: the very tip top of the hill, and then you

549
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: know balsam flowers and the leaves that come with them

550
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. But man, when you

551
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: can find a traditional water source, a spring that just

552
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: runs and offers some good green up on the top

553
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: of a mountain, man, that has been money for me.

554
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: I've really done well in those type places. Now they

555
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: can be hard to find. There's a lot of boots

556
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: on the ground to find them. A lot of these

557
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: don't show up on the map. But but those spots

558
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: have been really really good. But like you said, I

559
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: think having the ability to most often these bears aren't

560
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: out in the wide wide open, especially the bigger ones.

561
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: They are on the fringes. They are in an area

562
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: where they can tuck back in and grab a nap.

563
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: They're pretty lazy on the front end of spring and

564
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: then just come on out and and they like that

565
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: fringe habitat where the sunlight's grabbing. It's growing grass just

566
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: inside the timber and just outside the timbers, getting enough

567
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: shade that it's not getting burnt off and enough sun

568
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: to allow it to grow. And those little fringe areas

569
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: that are kind of um, you know, fifty yards inside

570
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: the timber, fifty yards outside of timber. Those just whole

571
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: grasses longer, and that stays greener there if you ever

572
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: you kind of notice that when you're on glass and yep. Okay,

573
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: so we've kind of elevation and feed kind of end

574
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: up going together, especially with the snow. Right we've we've

575
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: determined all right, there are bears at this elevation throughout

576
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: a hunt. Will you stick to the elevation or will

577
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: you start to like diverge from what? Will you go

578
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: up and see if you're finding bears above it? Or

579
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: once you see that there are big boars at a

580
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: certain elevation, Let's say it's a seven day hunt, things

581
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: aren't going to change drastically, or maybe they will. Are

582
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: you going to kind of hone in on that or

583
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: are you going to still continue to venture out and

584
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: and you know, go up or down and just continue

585
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: to look or is it similar to like when you

586
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: find that dough group meal deer hunting, Like I'm going

587
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: to stay focused here or do you continue to branch?

588
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, so generally with I'm gonna keep hammering

589
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: on the old mature boars because young bears they travel,

590
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: they do all kinds of stuff. I mean, you can't

591
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: they're not patternable in my and they'll wander all over

592
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: the place. They'll be on a rock slope one day,

593
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: and north slope and then south slope. They just kind

594
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: of wander. Now, the oldest, most mature boars that we're

595
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: going for, boy, it's really hard to pull them off

596
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: of that elevation band. When you find them at an

597
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: elevation band, say they're at fifty two hundred feet. Now, yeah,

598
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: they'll dip down there a little bit, but it's rare

599
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: that they're going all the way down to the bottom.

600
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: And so once we find multiple bears that, say fifty

601
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: two hundred feet, we're going to continue to look at

602
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: those places, and you know, we're going to start going

603
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: to our maps and really keying into areas if we're

604
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: in a new place, looking at that elevation exactly, and

605
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: we're going to keep basically our eyes on that level

606
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: as much as possible. You know, they tend to not

607
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: go back down. Opinion, those older ones, they ride that

608
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: green wave right up to the top. And once it's

609
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: to the top and up and over they can absolutely

610
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: disappear on you, but that that front end, when they're

611
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: just slowly working their way up that that receding snow line.

612
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: I would say what I've noticed, and what is seven

613
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty feet below the snow line to a

614
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: thousand It's kind of like a rough estimate as to

615
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: where you generally find that green up starting. You know,

616
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: you're seeing the shoots from the avalanche lilies and whatnot.

617
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's a little bit higher than that, but that's

618
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: kind of a good range to focus in on. Is

619
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: seven fifty to one thousand feet below snow line. I've

620
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: found that that's really where those older bears really like

621
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: to focus, and they just don't tend to come back down,

622
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: you know, even though there's a ton of green grass,

623
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: and I know a lot of guys will get stuck

624
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: on looking at these shartrusse lime green patches way down

625
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: on the mountain. But if there's a shar trees patch

626
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,719
Speaker 1: on the top of the mountain that just popped up,

627
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: he's going to be there nine times out of ten

628
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: versus that spot lower on the mountain. Yeah, and you

629
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: just mentioned, you know, when green's up to the very

630
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: top bears getting up and out of there. So my

631
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: question for you is, do you feel if you spot

632
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: a bear like in a drainage or in a basin,

633
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: that you until that snow line gets all the way

634
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: to talk to the ridge, it kind of walks him

635
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: in that basin. Or do you feel like if you

636
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: spot a mature boar in a basin, you should be

637
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: able to stay there for three or four days and

638
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: you're going to turn him back up? Or is there

639
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: a chance he's gonna leave? Or what happens most of

640
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: the time there, Most of the time we turn them

641
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: back up. Now, bears. Bears are like teenagers, man. They

642
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: sleep a lot, they take naps, and they'll fall behind

643
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: a log and disappear for you on you for like

644
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: a half a day, and you'll think he's gone, But

645
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: oftentimes they're still there. You know, if you if you

646
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: see on the front end of that spring within a

647
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: couple weeks of green up, if you find a big

648
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: old bore, I'm going to focus on that spot, and

649
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: you know, I may grab different bandages to look at

650
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: different angles of the mountain and look at little creases

651
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: where I may not be able to see from that

652
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: first glassing point. But oftentimes I've found that they will

653
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: tend to stick to that area. Now, once calving happens,

654
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: once fawns start dropping, you know, things get crazy. Bears

655
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: go every which way and they disappear. And I wouldn't

656
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: expect to see that bore in late May in that

657
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: same drainage when they're keyed into some meat and they've

658
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: heard some or they've smelled some fawns dropping. Man, there

659
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: are all over the place changes them like it changes

660
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 1: it does. But at that front end, when they're still,

661
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: you know, they're kicking out the mucous plug and they're

662
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: keyed into that fibrous grass and and um, they need

663
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: that to get their digestive digestive track back. Man, they

664
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: just don't move that far. So when they're when they're

665
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: focused on a little green patch. You know, unless it's

666
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: just a brown mountain and that bear is traveling from

667
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: his say, his dan to somewhere where there might be

668
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: some food. Now that could be different. Um, a traveling

669
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: bear could end up anywhere. But if you witness a

670
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: bear that is just parked on a green line, Patrick

671
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 1: ass An, he's stuff in his face and there's not

672
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 1: a whole lot of green above him. That's that's a

673
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: bear that I would expect to be able to relocate, gotcha. Yeah,

674
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 1: So we've talked a lot about where to find these

675
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: bears and more specifically these mature bars. Um so somebody's

676
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 1: getting ready to go out. They may not be as

677
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: confident as you. You know, we've talked about a lot

678
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: of it, but you still get out there. You're unsure.

679
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: So our next question was how long do you give

680
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 1: an area before you write it off? Do you feel

681
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 1: you need to give it an evening, a morning, both

682
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: multiple days like you know, and this all this is

683
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 1: very dependent on your glassing skill right there. There's different

684
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: there's different levels of people's ability to glass. Where you're

685
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: very you know, you may be very confident, but but

686
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: kind of what do you fuel? Um your confidence level

687
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: is how much how much time you need to give

688
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: an area before you need to, you know, pull the

689
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,280
Speaker 1: anchor and go somewhere else to find a bear? Yeah.

690
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: Um so bears aren't really just they're not hiding, you know,

691
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: they don't they don't hide from you. They're just outdoing

692
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: their thing and feeding that that front end of spring.

693
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: They are there to feed and put some weight back on. Um. So,

694
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: like I said, I love traveling and cruising country and

695
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: all that, but depending on the topography that I'm looking at.

696
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: If I'm looking at a burn, that's that's got some

697
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: good green growth underneath it, and I know that I'm

698
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: just not being able to see everything. There's enough timber

699
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: in there that I just can't pick everything up if

700
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: it was there, Um, I'll probably stay a little longer

701
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: in that type place. But if I'm able to see

702
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: most of everything, and there's a day spent there and

703
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: I don't pick up a bear, I'm out of there.

704
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: I'm going to go check something else, you know, off

705
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: the list. Um. And that's that's just me. You know.

706
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: I feel like at some point throughout the day, if

707
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: there's a bear on an adjacent hillside and I'm glassing it,

708
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: I should be able to pick that thing up. And

709
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: you know, as far as timing goes, don't put all

710
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: your eggs into just glassing in the morning. That may

711
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: be a time when that bear is just not standing yet.

712
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,919
Speaker 1: You may be sleeping in a little bit. But I'd

713
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: say from ten eleven twelve to the end of the days.

714
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: That is my opinion, that is your prime glassing time,

715
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,720
Speaker 1: and it changes as the season progresses. It'll get much

716
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: more evening dependent. But man, that time for him in April,

717
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: front half of May. You know that ten o'clock to noon.

718
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many bears we start seeing

719
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: moving around from ten to noon and then one to

720
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: two they're just up and on their feet. And that's

721
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 1: a great time. That is not the time for you

722
00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 1: to take a nap like sleep in, if anything, and

723
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: grab a little extra coffee in the morning, but focus.

724
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,760
Speaker 1: You're glassing throughout the day, even if it's sunny and bright,

725
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: and you know, if you're thinking about if you're a

726
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: new bear hunter and you're an elk guy or a

727
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: dear guy, and that's the time that you kind of

728
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: lay off the glass. It's kind of the opposite when

729
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: it comes to bears. If you're going to sleep in,

730
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: sleep in in the morning, and make sure you keep

731
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: eyes on the mountain through that throughout the day. Because

732
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 1: it's what's funny, Jason, is one thing I've noticed. I'd

733
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: be curious if anybody else has noticed this too. But

734
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: sometimes I'll be looking at a mountain and it'll be

735
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: dead till about ten o'clock and then all of a sudden,

736
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 1: I'll pick up like three or four bears on this

737
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: open face right and they're all on their feet, and

738
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: then they're all napping again, you know, and say thirty

739
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 1: forty five minutes, they're napping again, and then say like

740
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: one o'clock at the age almost the exact same time,

741
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: they're all on their feet again and they're feeding around.

742
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: It's like this internal time clock that gets them up

743
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 1: and then puts them back down. I've noticed that over

744
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: and over and over again, like, well, that one's on

745
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: his feet, I bet if I look hard, I might

746
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: be able to pick up another one. Um. That's just

747
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: something that I've always wondered why that is. But it

748
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: seems like they have these certain times throughout the day.

749
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: It's almost like the old soul in art chart when

750
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 1: you're fishing, you know, you know, a moon phase or whatever.

751
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: There's there's something to it. I just haven't quite put

752
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: my finger on it. Yeah, I'm in the same boat,

753
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: you know, being originally only hunting blacktails and elk here,

754
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: it was always, you know, very first half hour of

755
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: the day, very last half hour of the day were

756
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: always your best. And then I got to experience CU's

757
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: deer hunting, and it was kind of the first animal, like, man,

758
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 1: I might as well just slept in because I mean,

759
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:40,919
Speaker 1: but you you never miss that. I mean, I would

760
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 1: still never miss the you know, first first part of

761
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: the day, even spring bear hunting. But the same thing

762
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: on these spring bear hunts I've been on. It's like, man,

763
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: am I really wasting like my focus and I wit,

764
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: you know, my but you're still out there. But the

765
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: same thing, um, you know, ten o'clock on eleven o'clock on,

766
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 1: we've seen a lot more bears. And the one time

767
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: if I had to, like, you know, if I was

768
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: to write a spot off, it would be as we

769
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: talked about, we get a lot of those spring showers

770
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: in the spring, you know, and ours rain and then

771
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: it suns up right after that, like in the blues.

772
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: Especially like if I didn't see a bear in that

773
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: like sun up time, when then I was like, all right,

774
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: there's no bears here, because we could almost set our

775
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: clocks to it, you know, all right, rain, let's let's

776
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: let's not glass or let's stay in the dry And

777
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: then as soon as that sun started hitting those slopes, um,

778
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: it seemed like everything popped at the same time all

779
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 1: over the mountain. I'll bet you if you would take

780
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: to take a pole from guys that have spring bear

781
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 1: hunted a ton a tony of years over their lifetime,

782
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 1: they would all agree with you on that one. Like

783
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 1: when you get a storm, even if it's a multi

784
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: day storm or it's just a half day storm, and

785
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 1: then the sun comes out and the grasses start steaming

786
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: and the mountains warming up. I don't know that there's

787
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: a better time to be bear hunting than that time

788
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: right there. Those are far and away the best days

789
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 1: I've ever had and experienced, where I've had the most

790
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: sightings are those days. And you're right, if you're not

791
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: seeing a bear after that happens, after that big nasty

792
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: storm or even like a snow storm and then the

793
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: sun comes up and it just starts melting everything. If

794
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: you're not seeing bears at that point, move it along,

795
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 1: you know, hike to a different drainage. They're just not there. Yep. Okay,

796
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: So these bears in the springtime, I've heard. I've heard

797
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: things up to thirty to thirty five percent body weight

798
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: down from where they'll be in August. You know, they're

799
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: down whatever percentage that is. But they don't necessarily look

800
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,439
Speaker 1: like they do in the fall, and it may cause

801
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: some difficulty on sexeing a bear. But but what are

802
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: some of the telltell signs or what do you look

803
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: for specifically when you're trying to tell you know, if

804
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 1: it's a mature boar, mature boars or maybe the anomaly right,

805
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 1: because they can carry some features that maybe those tweeters don't.

806
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:57,919
Speaker 1: But walk us through the features you're looking at. Yes,

807
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: every time I immediately up a bear in the glass,

808
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes and often is the case in the

809
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: first few seconds, you know, like, wow, that is a

810
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: tank of a bear. Like it's just blatantly obvious. There's

811
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 1: some features that you always key into. I think with boars,

812
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: you know, we'll speak to the obvious. The front end

813
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: of a boar is much blockier, much bulkier than that

814
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: of a female, you know, the female. The front end,

815
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: you know, those legs kind of go straight down. It's

816
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: much more narrow upfront, much wider in the back. It's

817
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: much fatter back there, complete opposite. You know, bears have

818
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 1: that old man look. It's like they don't have an

819
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: ass and they've got them, but they've got them big

820
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: like pitbull shoulders on them, you know, the big rolling

821
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: shoulders when they walk. And I think, for me, you know,

822
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: when I'm trying to size up a bear, I'm looking

823
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 1: for more of their their mannerisms, like their behavior, how

824
00:42:55,880 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 1: they're feeding, how they're moving through country. It is a

825
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: very slow, deliberate movement through the mountains. On those older

826
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: age class boars, the younger or just sus in general,

827
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: younger bars, they're gonna have a much faster pace. Their

828
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: steps are gonna be less deliberate. They're gonna walk with

829
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: their shoulders a little straighter. You know, there's much more

830
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: streamline versus that big, rounded, you know, waddle that a

831
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 1: big old boar will do. Now, one thing you got

832
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: to be careful of because I have seen on multiple

833
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: occasions young boars try to bear stomp like an older boar.

834
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: Like you'll see a young bear do the bear stamp

835
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 1: and try to act as if but um, it's funny

836
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: to watch them do that. They just don't have the

837
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: swagger that a big old boar is gonna have. Now,

838
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: there's some other things to look at, you know, obviously,

839
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:58,720
Speaker 1: when you're going for size you know. One way I've

840
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 1: found to to help in that, because you don't have

841
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: a barrel or whatever, you know, when you're out glass

842
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 1: and to size them up to you know, I'll use

843
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: just some of the vegetation that's out there. Balsom user

844
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: balsom flowers are easy. You can you can kind of

845
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: get the general idea of the size of them and

846
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: the and the vegetation that's around there, you know, the

847
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: trees and whatnot, and they'll give you a good idea

848
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: of how tall that bear is or how big that

849
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,760
Speaker 1: bear's head is, you know, because their faces are buried

850
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: in those flowers like crazy in the springtime. Um, you

851
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,399
Speaker 1: know obviously the blockiness of the head, but you got

852
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: to be careful with that. I mean blocky heads, you

853
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,439
Speaker 1: know where there's a very defined triangle between the tip

854
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: of the nose and both ears. Yeah, that's probably a

855
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: big old headed bear. But there are some skinny headed

856
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: bears out there that'll fool you and you'll pass on

857
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: that might be a great bear to take, you know,

858
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: I've I've taken some bears that are very streamline in

859
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: their in their features and yet their bodies they're like

860
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: polar bears. They're just like a polar bear. Some of

861
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: the longest bears are just like that. They're not those

862
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: those front heavy blockheads. They're more of a slender, long

863
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 1: bodied bear, and some of those are the best bears

864
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: to go for. So, yeah, there's a lot of different ways.

865
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: But my favorite way to kind of determine if it's

866
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: a bear that we really want to target and go for,

867
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 1: obviously targeting the mature boars, is just that we watch

868
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: them for a long period of time. We watch for

869
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: that swagger. Yeah, and that when you say swagger, I

870
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 1: kind of related it to it's almost like they've got

871
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 1: to throw their shoulder out and around in front of them.

872
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 1: They got to throw their back leg. They can't just

873
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: walk in a straight line. They're kind of throwing their

874
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: arm out in front and then they kind of almost,

875
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: you know, zig zag as they walk because they're they're

876
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: not walking in a linear line. They're kind of waddling

877
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: side to side. One thing we didn't touch on. I'm

878
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: curious to get your take on. One thing that we

879
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: do look at a lot is ears. Earplacement on the

880
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 1: head and then how big the ears look like relative

881
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: to the head. Is that something you look out as

882
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 1: well to kind of help determined size, but it is

883
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 1: I think ears. Ears also are one of those things

884
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: that can be They can kind of throw you at

885
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 1: times though, too, because I've seen some pretty big eared

886
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: old boars. But the one thing you won't see is

887
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: a very small bear with ears on the side of

888
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,240
Speaker 1: its head that look like buttons. You know, those are obvious,

889
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: that's a giant. But I've also taken some big noggin

890
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: bears that have had fairly larger ears. Now they're not

891
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 1: going to be pointed like a younger bear, they're not

892
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: going to look like a German shepherd, but larger than

893
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 1: other older bears. You know, there's a there's definitely a difference,

894
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: there's a range there. But yeah, they do help. I

895
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: think again, though, you might pass on something that may

896
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 1: have been worth taking if you only are going by

897
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: button ears on the side of their head. Yeah, you know,

898
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: there's a lot of bears that don't have that. Yeah. Yeah,

899
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: we put a little more weight into location versus like

900
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: the size of the ear, like when they start to

901
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,760
Speaker 1: roll over, you know, pass on top seem to seem

902
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: to be be a better indicator, at least the more

903
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 1: mature boards that we've killed, but yeah, it was. It

904
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: can still foil you. You You know, anything on a bear

905
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 1: can foil you some of the time. But yeah, if

906
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: you start I think the important thing is if you

907
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: start to similar to like when I was mountain go hunting,

908
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: like you should be able to pick up like the

909
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: dark patch on their rump. You should be able to

910
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: pick up this. And then when you put three or

911
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: four of those things together, like you said, they've got

912
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: the swagger, they've got the small ears. You know, one

913
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 1: of those features may be off, but at least if

914
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,959
Speaker 1: you can put two or three together, your confidence level

915
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: of what you're what you're looking at should go up. Yeah,

916
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: And I think, um, you know, just throw it in

917
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 1: there as well. But that crease in the forehead, you know,

918
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 1: on a big bear, they get those big cheeks. You know,

919
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 1: there's big meat cheeks on the top of their head

920
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: there that we like to cook out later. Um, but man,

921
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: those things they'll throw a pretty mean crease right down

922
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: the side or out forehead. And that's another way, Like

923
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: if you see that on a bear that's got some swagger, man,

924
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 1: that's gonna be a good bear for sure. All Right.

925
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: So we've identified a bear. Um. And and before we

926
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 1: get going after that, I'm gonna throw another question in there.

927
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: You know, bears probably their best scent is you know,

928
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: they can see, okay, not very not great by any means, um,

929
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: but they can they can smell well. Um, what in

930
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: your opinion he closest too close? If you're if you're

931
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: glassing across like a real steep box canyon. Um, if

932
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: the wind's not right, like what's your safe distance? Man?

933
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 1: If if I'm glassing across canyon, I'm not gonna be

934
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: as worried about it. Often I find the scent doesn't

935
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: go from one I do any other. You know, when

936
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: there's a crick raising through the bottom, I'm much less

937
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 1: concerned about my scent. Just traveling over and even getting

938
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 1: five hundred yards to the adjacent side on a on

939
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: a forty degree or you know, thirty five degree pitched slope,

940
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: I'm not as worried there. But if he's on the

941
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 1: same side as me, you know, and that bear is

942
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: eight hundred yards away from me, and I got a

943
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: wind to my back, the bear is probably gonna smell

944
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 1: me without hesitation, even if he's a thousand yards out.

945
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: If I got wind to my back and he's on

946
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 1: the same side as me, and there's no cuts between us.

947
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: I would put no faith in that. I would bookie

948
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: and try to eliminate that. Yeah, I was a little

949
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: taken back. There was an episode with Stephen Clay bear

950
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 1: hunting there in Montana, I believe spring bear hunting, and

951
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 1: you know, there's extra guy camera guys and whatnot. But

952
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: Steve couldn't believe that that bear winded him at eight

953
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: nine hundred yards and there were a few rolls in

954
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: the same hillside that they were on, but it was

955
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: on the same face that they were on, and that thing,

956
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: you know, it just by its mannerisms, it picked up

957
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 1: something that didn't like and got out of there. And

958
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: it was like, all right, these things are at a

959
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 1: different level. Um man nose on those things is unbelieve.

960
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: What is it like a hundred times better than humans

961
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: or whatever. I don't know how many how close it

962
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: is to a bloodhound. I know it's above and beyond that.

963
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: But one thing I've noticed on that front as well,

964
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: and people may have picked up on this, but when

965
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: you're hunting an area in the beginning, you know, you

966
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,839
Speaker 1: tend to see everything but once you've moved through an area,

967
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: especially with predators, you know, wolves and bears, it seems

968
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: as if like once they've picked up your scent in

969
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,879
Speaker 1: that area, all of a sudden, your sightings go way down.

970
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 1: Like it's not it's not, it's not just that you're

971
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: in front of them at the time. But once you've

972
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: put a little scent on the mountain, you may have

973
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: a bear wand or through that spot, but the likelihood

974
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 1: of you seeing a bear that's not at heightened at

975
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:01,240
Speaker 1: a heightened state is pretty slim. Man. Your scent sticks

976
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: to the mountain and they will pick it up. If

977
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,240
Speaker 1: you've ever seen one come across to your scent after

978
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 1: a line that you've taken, they stop and they know

979
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,879
Speaker 1: exactly where you were. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's a great

980
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: point and maybe something people should pick up on. Like

981
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: with a very defined you know, move with a purpose.

982
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: Don't just you know, walk through a base unless you

983
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: need to, you know, similar to white tail deer hunt,

984
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 1: and you don't go through you know, their betting area,

985
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: you know, on a on a predator um you know

986
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: hunt of any hunt, like be very careful on where

987
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: you're putting your feet, um you know, stay in it,

988
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: stay in the kind of a neutral area. I think

989
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: the best approach is always in those type mountain scenarios

990
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,760
Speaker 1: is you know, it's always trying to find that great

991
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: vantage point that doesn't throw your scent into where you're

992
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: looking obviously, and try to stay there unless you absolutely

993
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 1: have a bear to go for and you have to move. Um, yeah,

994
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 1: less movement to better in bear country in my opinion, yep,

995
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 1: unless you're moving drainages. So we've taken all this information

996
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 1: you know, you've shared, and you finally you've spotted your bear.

997
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: So now we're gonna, you know, decide on are we

998
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 1: gonna stalk this bear? Are we're gonna wait and kind

999
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: of all the factors that dictate that decision. And then

1000
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: once you do decide, what factors dictate your approach. So

1001
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: I'm I know you're very patient. You say you're impatient,

1002
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:25,879
Speaker 1: but you're very patient when you need to be. I think,

1003
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 1: you know, we talk, we go back to like the

1004
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: big Colorado buck that you killed like at what six

1005
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: seven days until you made your move and you finally

1006
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 1: slipped up. Um, I'm guessing you're the same way with bears.

1007
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 1: You're you're impatient until you need to be and then

1008
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: you're very patient. Um, what are some I guess this

1009
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 1: question kind of all rolls into itself when you decide

1010
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: to stock and when you do what what? What do

1011
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 1: you have to think about? Then you know? And there

1012
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: there's all of those things like you know where you're

1013
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: gonna shoot from, bear movement, time of day, all that stuff.

1014
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: But kind of give us, give us your your opinion

1015
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 1: on all that. I think with patients, you know it.

1016
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,280
Speaker 1: It plays more of a role in bear hunting almost

1017
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: than anything else. Patience and glassing is one thing. You know,

1018
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: your day is consumed with just glassing and not seeing

1019
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: much with another small percentage of it hopefully making a

1020
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 1: play on a bear. But even when you pick up

1021
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: a bear, you kind of have to make the call

1022
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: of am I gonna potentially blow this bear out if

1023
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: I go hastily over after him right now? Say the

1024
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:37,800
Speaker 1: wind isn't perfect or whatever, and it's just my style, Jason,

1025
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 1: but I will tend to if it's not, it's never

1026
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: gonna be perfect. But if the deck isn't stacked in

1027
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 1: my favor, like if the cars aren't stacked in my favor,

1028
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:52,839
Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna sit back and wait for a better play.

1029
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 1: You know, maybe that bear is just not in the

1030
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 1: right spot at the moment. And you know, especially if

1031
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:00,839
Speaker 1: you pick up a traveling bear, you know, a bear

1032
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: that hasn't been just parked in in a spot for

1033
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 1: an hour. You know that bear, I feel like I'll

1034
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: probably be able to pick him back up when I

1035
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 1: get over to this area, and you know, put myself

1036
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,919
Speaker 1: in a place to shoot him. But a traveling bear,

1037
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: sometimes it's best to sit back. And I can think

1038
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: of multiple areas where I've hunted, you know, steep sided

1039
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: river type drainages where I'll pick up a bear maybe

1040
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: on the other side of the drainage, and probably the

1041
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: worst thing that I could have done is taking my

1042
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: eyes off that bear and change locations because they're moving

1043
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: so much. You know, there are times when they just

1044
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: they grab a bite and they're walking. They grab a

1045
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: bite and they're walking. You kind of want to sit

1046
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: back and maybe this is a bear that you won't

1047
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: even get a play on. But maybe he's gonna feed

1048
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: right out of the basin, or he's gonna park it,

1049
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: take a little snooze. It's gonna give you time, But

1050
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 1: you want to know where that bear's going. You want

1051
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: to know where he stops and give yourself the best chance.

1052
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:07,919
Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna jeopardize the hunt by moving too

1053
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,439
Speaker 1: fast crossing the canyon getting up on the other side

1054
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,399
Speaker 1: if I don't have to, Because again we just talked

1055
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: about the scent thing. I want to keep that scent

1056
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 1: lockdown as much as possible. Um. You know, I like

1057
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 1: gimmes when it comes to bear hunting. I don't take

1058
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:23,399
Speaker 1: a whole lot of chances. It's just like anything else.

1059
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm very patient with you know, trying to

1060
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: not put a bear to bed necessarily or really get

1061
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: an idea of what that bear's doing. Does it look

1062
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 1: like he's gonna stick to this spot? Can I get

1063
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: closer all the things that you know, similar to what

1064
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: you do on a on a classic mule deer hunt

1065
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 1: or whatever. Yep, yep. And you know, as you just mentioned,

1066
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 1: you don't want to necessarily go over there and not

1067
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 1: get a shot. Now you've just you know, stunk up

1068
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: his favorite area and put your scent there, and yeah,

1069
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: so be I like it. Um. Yeah, A lot of

1070
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: times we use the phrase like what do we say

1071
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,959
Speaker 1: is because we'll see something and media we're like, well,

1072
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 1: he's ours. All we gotta do is not screw it up,

1073
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: like it's on us, like we'll get this thing unless

1074
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,399
Speaker 1: we screw it up. And that's often the case with bears. Yep.

1075
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:15,359
Speaker 1: And like the bear I killed specifically, we were three

1076
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 1: hours away from where he was at from where we

1077
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:19,320
Speaker 1: spotted him, like in order to go all the way around,

1078
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 1: hike out the ridge, get down on the finger. But

1079
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 1: you know, some of the things we were looking at

1080
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 1: was all right, there's one sow and two bars. There

1081
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: is that going to change the equation. And then we

1082
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 1: really monitored like where when we first spotted him to

1083
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 1: where we last seen him, it's been half an hour

1084
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 1: and they've moved fifty yards, so they're not interesting getting

1085
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 1: out of the area. We've got two bears or actually

1086
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: three bears to look at instead of two, and so

1087
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: we used all of those things. Time of day it was,

1088
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: you know, earlier in the morning. I think we picked

1089
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: him up at like nine to thirty, so we had

1090
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 1: all day to go over there and try to relocate them.

1091
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 1: They were in a pretty isolated basin, so like you said,

1092
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 1: this is kind of all those stacking the deck features. Right,

1093
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 1: We've now got all of this in our favor. Yeah,

1094
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 1: there's still a chance they can get out of there,

1095
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: but it was worth the time and f for to

1096
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 1: go over there, um, you know because of these things. Now,

1097
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:05,800
Speaker 1: if they would have been moving, if they would have moved,

1098
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 1: you know that that five hundred yards in five minutes,

1099
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 1: then it would have been very we would if we

1100
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 1: would have went over there, would have just been hastily

1101
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,240
Speaker 1: you know, we would have stunk the area up, probably

1102
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: never relocated them. And so similar to you, um, you know,

1103
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 1: you just you put all those factors together and like

1104
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 1: if the probability of me thinking to have a ninety

1105
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 1: percent chance of killing them, you know, or him on

1106
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 1: this this plan, then let's just sit back and wait

1107
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: so we don't screw it up. Yeah, And it's a

1108
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 1: case by case basis, right. I can I can think

1109
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: of a time where you know, I I picked up

1110
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: a bear and he was over two miles away, you know,

1111
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 1: on an evening and that bear um was coming out

1112
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: like he was like three o'clock or something like that,

1113
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 1: and you know we at that time obviously we're not

1114
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 1: going to get get to it. We had a river

1115
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: to cross, we had all kinds of stuff to deal with, um,

1116
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 1: so we made the call like it was an area

1117
00:57:56,520 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 1: where the best feet feature was a play that we

1118
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 1: could get a great shot on if we just got

1119
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: within three hundred and fifty yards of this thing. But

1120
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 1: we had to spend the rest of that night and

1121
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 1: next morning to move country to get to this new

1122
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: spot where now we're gonna sit there and park it

1123
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: and wait for this bear to come out and most

1124
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: likely get back on that feeding feature, which is like

1125
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 1: this grassy meadow. And it worked like like a charm,

1126
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 1: you know, we ended up taking a giant bear, but

1127
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 1: it took us a long time to get there. And

1128
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 1: then once we got there, we basically took turns napping,

1129
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 1: and one guy was always on the glass and we

1130
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: just waited that bear out, and sure enough that evening

1131
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: started rolling by and and out came to bear, and

1132
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: we got him exactly where we wanted to. But then

1133
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: there's also the other situation where you pick up a

1134
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 1: bear in the evening and I've seen them, you know,

1135
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 1: just feeding in this big basin, and you know, you

1136
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 1: might be getting a little bit low on light, and

1137
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 1: you might be getting a little bit low on days

1138
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 1: at the end, you know, maybe you only have a

1139
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: couple of days to do this. You know, that would

1140
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 1: be a scenario where I would say, go for it, like,

1141
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 1: do whatever it takes to get there, hustle your tail off,

1142
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 1: and there's a great chance that you're probably going to

1143
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: get a shot at that bear. M It's just it's

1144
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 1: situation by situation, right, yep, yea. So one of my

1145
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 1: favorite parts of hunting is the calling aspect. But I

1146
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 1: feel maybe out of any other animal I go out

1147
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 1: there to call spring bear, I feel like my calling

1148
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 1: is like the very small portion, and I'm curious, um,

1149
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 1: you know, being as we mentioned the whole everything we've

1150
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 1: been talking about mainly has been like a spot in

1151
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 1: stock type hunting, which is exactly how I spring hunt

1152
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 1: for bears. Um, when do you use calling? What calls

1153
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 1: you use? Kind of what's your approach on when you

1154
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 1: pull a call out? And then when you do kind

1155
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 1: of what's your your technique or strategy for calling and

1156
00:59:55,760 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 1: spring bears. Yeah, so generally we you know, spring bear

1157
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 1: calling is so hit and miss, you know, on the

1158
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: front end of it. It's just I've never found it

1159
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 1: to work. I've never found it to work much in April.

1160
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 1: I've not found it to work much the front end

1161
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 1: of May. As you get later and pushing towards the

1162
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 1: calving time, you know, they're digestive, tracks are moving along

1163
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: and they're maybe already kicking around some rocks and feeding

1164
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 1: on some grubs and larva, and now they're eating a

1165
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: ground scorel on occasion, they're ready for some meat. Man.

1166
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 1: That is the time where calling can be probably the

1167
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 1: most intense, exhilarating way to hunt bears that you'll ever experience.

1168
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't work all the time, but you

1169
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 1: know when you hit that later part of the season,

1170
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 1: just before the rut, oftentimes the bears aren't going to

1171
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 1: be out maybe as long during the day, and that's

1172
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 1: a great opportunity to get yourself on almost like a

1173
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 1: glassing knob type place and just rip on that distress call.

1174
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 1: You know, you've built some incredible distress calls. I've got

1175
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: three of them, and those things work great. But man,

1176
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 1: it is a ton of fun just sitting on a

1177
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 1: knob hitting that distress call. Keep on with it. You know,

1178
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 1: you don't want to let off the gas on a

1179
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 1: distress call, and oftentimes those bears will be on you

1180
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 1: in no time, you know, within seconds if they're close.

1181
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 1: And I've also had experiences where I'm looking at a

1182
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 1: bear and I'm hitting with a distress call and he

1183
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 1: may look my direction, but it's just not that time

1184
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 1: for him. It wasn't his day, and he's not going

1185
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 1: to make the decision to come my way. But I've

1186
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 1: also seen the opposite where a bear is, you know,

1187
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 1: five six hundred yards away and he hears that thing

1188
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 1: and he is booking it. I mean he is boogieing

1189
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 1: across that mountain to get to where you are. So

1190
01:01:56,600 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 1: sometimes they come in slow. Sometimes they come in extremely fast,

1191
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 1: and you better be ready for it. Yeah, you know,

1192
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 1: to kind of reiterate what you said, bears get they

1193
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 1: get sidetracked very easy. So you said, kind of whale

1194
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 1: on the call and don't let up, which is one thing,

1195
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 1: and then m Yeah, the speed that they approached the

1196
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 1: ones that we've called tom we used a calf distress

1197
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:22,919
Speaker 1: on my buddy Charlie's hunt. You know, it's twelve hundred

1198
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 1: yards away across canyon. We couldn't get any closer. Is

1199
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 1: that we started whaling on just a calf distress, just

1200
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 1: our our normal col call, and that being closed six

1201
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 1: hundred yards within a mere minute, you can see him

1202
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 1: just sprint down through the timber. Of course he never

1203
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 1: came all the way and he had to cross the

1204
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 1: creek and come up. But at that point we had

1205
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 1: no other option, Like it was either gonna work or

1206
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 1: we weren't gonna kill him anyway, so it could only add.

1207
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 1: You know, we've used distressed calls a little bit, like

1208
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 1: we know he's went maybe into a patch of timber,

1209
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 1: we're maybe running out of light, and we're maybe our hunt,

1210
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 1: like maybe that will pull him out so we can

1211
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 1: at least see him. But yeah, a lot of times

1212
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 1: it may actually I don't want to I don't want

1213
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 1: to say, it can screw up, but early in the

1214
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 1: season when they just want to be a little bit

1215
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:05,479
Speaker 1: isolated and left alone, like all you're doing is drawn

1216
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 1: attention to yourself and they may not be that interested

1217
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 1: in it. It may be for nothing anyways. So yeah, yeah,

1218
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 1: and oftentimes, you know, if you're a rifle guy, the

1219
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 1: distress call just gets him out of the timber, just

1220
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 1: gets them interested enough to get that clean shot. You know,

1221
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 1: you don't necessarily need to call them within a hundred

1222
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 1: yards or whatever. But you know, many many times, if

1223
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 1: you're in an area with a cut, you know, some

1224
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 1: type of an edge to it, you can at least

1225
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 1: draw those bears to the edge and they're curious and

1226
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 1: they look and you know, maybe not to the point

1227
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 1: of coming all the way in, but just enough time

1228
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 1: to get that shot. And you know, I think I'll

1229
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 1: just say, be careful in Grads country when you're in

1230
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 1: Grays country, which, yeah, calling in Montana is is different

1231
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 1: than a lot of the places we've chased them in

1232
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 1: Idaho where there are no grays, calling can be very effective,

1233
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 1: but it sure brings grizzlies into all right. Uh, so

1234
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 1: we've did everything right. We've either made our stock, we've

1235
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:07,920
Speaker 1: called him in. Um walk us through middle of middle

1236
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 1: a little bit. Um, we're getting ready to shoot this bear.

1237
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of um. I believe it was

1238
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 1: iron Will. Maybe he had made a post here recently

1239
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 1: on where you shoot a bear, and um, there was

1240
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 1: a lot of confusion. There was even a lot of

1241
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 1: arguing on you know, some of us answered middle of

1242
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 1: the body, you know, halfway up, halfway between the legs,

1243
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 1: like literally the center of the body where you wouldn't

1244
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 1: think about being a great shot on a deer. And

1245
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 1: now walk us through that. You guys have killed a

1246
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 1: bunch of bears, and I know on some of your

1247
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:34,960
Speaker 1: videos are you know, people have maybe out it's like,

1248
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 1: why the heck did you shoot him so far back?

1249
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 1: But um explain that to us and maybe a little

1250
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 1: of the anatomy and then why it works so well. Yeah,

1251
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 1: it's going to be controversial every time when you talk

1252
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 1: about shot placement on bears, for sure. But I I

1253
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:53,040
Speaker 1: can confidently say you shoot a bear middle in the middle,

1254
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 1: that bears not going far at all. You shoot a

1255
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 1: bear in the front shoulder, you may be trying to

1256
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 1: track a bear for a very, very long ways. Now

1257
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 1: maybe this changes when you're talking about like a coastal

1258
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 1: brown bear or something in Alaska. You know, I know

1259
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 1: those guys are trying to knock those shoulders out. Number one.

1260
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 1: I think, I don't shoot anything in the shoulder, Jason.

1261
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 1: I don't shoot deer in the shoulder. I don't shoot

1262
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 1: open the shoulder moose. I care about that meat to

1263
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 1: the point that I'm just not gonna risk wasting any

1264
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 1: meat whatsoever. So I'm always a little off the shoulder.

1265
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:34,400
Speaker 1: But with bears, you are so far better off shooting

1266
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 1: middle of middle. If you want to bring it a

1267
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 1: little bit forward, maybe two three inches front of middle

1268
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 1: of middle. Great, But those lungs on a bear, I

1269
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 1: will challenge anybody next time you break a bear down,

1270
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:49,560
Speaker 1: look at how far those lungs go back. Those things

1271
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 1: literally go back to like that second rib back rib

1272
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 1: on a bear. And man, nothing deflates a bear. Bears,

1273
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 1: in my opinion, are softer than even a white tail

1274
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:07,919
Speaker 1: Jason soft. They're soft. You shoot a middle of middle,

1275
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 1: those things deflate and they go down fast and hard.

1276
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 1: But where most people run into trouble is they shoot

1277
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 1: a little too far forward and good love track and

1278
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 1: a wounded bear. And that's where those wounded bears come from.

1279
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 1: This guy shoot them in the shoulders. You're not going

1280
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:25,640
Speaker 1: to track a bear far. If you shoot middle of

1281
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 1: the middle, they're never gonna happen. But I'm sure there's

1282
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 1: guys that will forever and always claim to shoot them

1283
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 1: on the front quarter there. But I have seen, and

1284
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 1: I have heard from, and I have had so many

1285
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:42,120
Speaker 1: people reach out and frustration about hitting them in that

1286
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 1: front shoulder. Now, is a bear that they tried to track,

1287
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 1: and we all know how hard they are to track

1288
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 1: if they're not if they're not down within you know,

1289
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 1: fifty to one hundred yards. Man. You know, they get

1290
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 1: into that timber and they don't leave blood. They tend

1291
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 1: to clog up with the at and the hat and

1292
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:04,000
Speaker 1: the hair. It can be tough. So you want to

1293
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 1: put them down quick and the best way, in my opinion,

1294
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 1: to do that is to take out those lungs. It's

1295
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 1: not to go shoulder. Um. You spend a lifetime of

1296
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 1: hitting shoulders, you're gonna have a good amount of wounded

1297
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 1: bears at the end of it. You shoot middle of

1298
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 1: the middle, you ain't gonna have any ye. Yeah, Well,

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Speaker 1: thanks for joining us there, Ryan Um. Inclosing, what is

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01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 1: one tip you'd give a new spring bear hunters maybe

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01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:34,440
Speaker 1: somebody hasn't found a bunch of success, just kind of

1302
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:37,920
Speaker 1: that main tip, like, what's what's your voice of encouragement

1303
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:42,120
Speaker 1: for him? Here? Oh man, I think I think bear

1304
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:46,480
Speaker 1: hunting has been overlooked by many. I think it's underrated.

1305
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:50,320
Speaker 1: In my opinion, absolutely love it. I spoke to It's

1306
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:53,360
Speaker 1: overtaken Elk for me as far as like one of

1307
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:56,720
Speaker 1: my most anticipated I'm gonna I'm gonna pretend like I

1308
01:07:56,760 --> 01:08:00,920
Speaker 1: didn't hear that. Yeah, but I would encourage people to

1309
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 1: go give it a shot. We got a ton of

1310
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 1: opportunity here in these Western states. It's a great time

1311
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:08,440
Speaker 1: to be out bear meat. We didn't even talk about.

1312
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 1: It's incredible. There's a lot of different ways I've got

1313
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 1: I've got some in the suvied right now from last year.

1314
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:20,720
Speaker 1: Then I'm gonna feed some folks with tonight. But I

1315
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 1: think as anything else, you know, make the hunt however

1316
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:28,040
Speaker 1: it works for you. If you don't have the time,

1317
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:30,680
Speaker 1: you know, look to those areas that aren't too far

1318
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:32,800
Speaker 1: off the beaten path where you're just going to have

1319
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:38,879
Speaker 1: nice you know, feed zones to glass or get yourself

1320
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:42,519
Speaker 1: in wicked ass good shape and treat it like any

1321
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:45,160
Speaker 1: mountain hunt, whether it's like a sheep hunt or a

1322
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:47,680
Speaker 1: goat hunt. You know, you can get yourself into some

1323
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:51,920
Speaker 1: awfully incredible places chasing spring bears if that's the hunt

1324
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 1: that you're looking for. So for adventure, guys, I don't

1325
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:57,920
Speaker 1: know that there is a better time to do it

1326
01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:00,559
Speaker 1: than after we've kind of shaken the rust off this

1327
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 1: winter to get out there and start chasing bears. Um,

1328
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:08,880
Speaker 1: you know, take your time, be picky, you know, trying

1329
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 1: to take those older age class bears. Number one, I

1330
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 1: think they're better to pull out of the pool. Number two,

1331
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:18,360
Speaker 1: You get a whole lot more meat off of a

1332
01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:20,760
Speaker 1: big bear than you do with some medium size bear.

1333
01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 1: So I would just I would just say, um, you know,

1334
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:27,799
Speaker 1: get after it. I encourage anybody to give it a shot.

1335
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:31,640
Speaker 1: Maybe it's not for you, but give it a try. Yeah,

1336
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:34,720
Speaker 1: I spring bear hunting, you know, on those times I've

1337
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:37,120
Speaker 1: got to go. It may not pass oak, but it was.

1338
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 1: It was an absolute blast I had. I loved it.

1339
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:43,960
Speaker 1: I loved the glassing aspect um. And and they're just

1340
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 1: cool critters. And and like you said, we didn't talk

1341
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 1: a lot about it, but my kids, Um, when they

1342
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:50,879
Speaker 1: found out you can kill two of them here in Washington,

1343
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:52,880
Speaker 1: wanted to know why I only brought one home. So

1344
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 1: they eat it really, really well, and they do. We

1345
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:58,760
Speaker 1: love them. So inclosing, Graham, Um, how can people find

1346
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:00,920
Speaker 1: out more about you? Where can they all your adventures

1347
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 1: get a hold of you? Um? Give them give everybody

1348
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 1: a way to contact you or to follow with your adventures. Yeah,

1349
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 1: I guess the easiest is on the old ig um

1350
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:17,240
Speaker 1: at Stealthy Hunter st el and um. And then yeah,

1351
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 1: we we have put a lot of bear videos out

1352
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:24,320
Speaker 1: over the years. Um, folks can find that over on

1353
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:29,120
Speaker 1: the gritty youtubees. Um. We're about to drop some more

1354
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 1: that we haven't shown in the past. In fact, this

1355
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:35,679
Speaker 1: weekend we're dropping some of the trips from last spring,

1356
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:37,960
Speaker 1: so guys want to kind of see some of the

1357
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:41,200
Speaker 1: country we're hunting and the ways we're doing it, you know,

1358
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:45,479
Speaker 1: maybe tune into some of those, um those YouTube videos. Yeah, well,

1359
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 1: like always really appreciate having you here. UM, I'm a

1360
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 1: little bum like we'd kind of semi planned the spring

1361
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:54,599
Speaker 1: bear hunt together and then, um, I let a trip

1362
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:57,679
Speaker 1: to Disneyland get in the way at that, So maybe

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01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:01,839
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four Sarah alright, alright, yeah, thanks Jess, carry

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01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:32,680
Speaker 1: and have a good one. H