1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast 2 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: Chris Harrison and Lauren Zema, and we just wanted to 3 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: come and wish everybody a happy holiday week, Happy Thanksgiving everybody. 4 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: I know it's a is it a hectic week? Is 5 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: it a crazy week? 6 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 2: You know? I think after the weddings, I feel so 7 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 2: much more comfortable with Thanksgiving because Thanksgiving is a known 8 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 2: you know. The weddings that we just came off of 9 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 2: planet were so much going on, lots of factors. This 10 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:38,840 Speaker 2: is a known. We are going to my childhood home 11 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 2: in Chicago, where my mom still lives, and Thanksgiving is 12 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 2: my family's biggest holiday because my extended family from Ohio, 13 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 2: my aunts, my cousins all come in and all descend 14 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 2: on our house in Chicago. You have never been to 15 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 2: this event with my family, So really, the question is 16 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 2: are you feeling no. 17 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: I'm excited. I've wanted to go to Chicago with you 18 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 1: and go to your childhood home for a long time, 19 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: and I don't. I just never really worked out. I 20 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: don't know why. 21 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 2: I think people think it's weird. It's just that I think, 22 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 2: you know, we have to think about where the kids 23 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 2: are at are they with their mom? Are they with us? 24 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 2: Then also, your parents are divorced, so you have to 25 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,320 Speaker 2: divide your time between them. And then my family's kind 26 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 2: of spread all across the country, so we were always, 27 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 2: as we've said, dividing and conquering. 28 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: But this is kind of our first, not kind of. 29 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: This is our first official holiday as a married couple, 30 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 1: and now we're doing it with your family. This is 31 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: I mean, this is it married couple. We're going back 32 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 1: home and we're going to Chicago. 33 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 2: We're doing this in the wrong order because I thought 34 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 2: what you were going to say is this is our 35 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 2: first holiday where we've ever gone to the other one's parents' home, 36 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 2: because I've actually never been to either of your parents' homes. 37 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, for a holiday, mom my mom has come to us, 38 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: my dad to us, and so you're right, yeah, we've never. 39 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 2: So we waited till we got married to go to Well. 40 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: We're out of we're long out of my childhood home 41 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 1: in Dallas, Texas, and so I really don't have that 42 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: to go back home too. Anyway, but your your mom 43 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: still lives in your childhood home. We are And by 44 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: the way, if y'all are thinking what I was thinking, 45 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: and it's not going to happen. What we're not going 46 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: to be in your bedroom? 47 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 2: Oh, my childhood bedroom no longer exists. 48 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: Okay. 49 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:26,959 Speaker 2: Also, I don't think anyone was thinking. 50 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 1: I think people were thinking that. 51 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 2: I don't think they were thinking. 52 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: Okay, I was thinking that when I. 53 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 2: Was wondering, weird to think? Is that a guy? Wait? 54 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: Maybe I think it's maybe it's a guy thing of Like, 55 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: just I thought it'd be interesting to be back in 56 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: your childhood bedroom. 57 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 2: Oh you weren't meaning it in like a dirty way. 58 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 1: You just meant like right, no, because you were a child. 59 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 2: Well here's a question, though, how long? Because I have friends? 60 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: Yeah? 61 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 2: Who, I'm thinking my friend Laura, I'll call her out 62 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 2: because she listens her childhood bedroom from like her teenage years. Yeah, 63 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 2: is still and we're in our thirties. It's still exactly 64 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 2: what it was. It is a time capsule. Her posters 65 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 2: are on the walls, her CDs are in the CD case, 66 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 2: And I think her parents should use that room to 67 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 2: whatever they When do you change your kids childhood bedroom? 68 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 1: Over and wed one full week after my kids left 69 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: for college. Yeah, no, it's no, it is true. I 70 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: mean I I they're you know, their rooms were changed, 71 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 1: you know, left to their own devices at first, but 72 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: their rooms, like the trophies and the posters and the 73 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: that stuff needs to come down. 74 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 2: I think if your kids are going to college, I 75 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 2: think you can give them a first year to come 76 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 2: back to their. 77 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: Room, because they are They're always going to come back. 78 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think through freshman year it's a new 79 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 2: time they can they still want to, you know. I 80 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 2: mean when they go to freshman year, they're essentially still 81 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 2: a high school kid. They're in such a new place. 82 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 2: But after that, I think it's okay to say, hey, 83 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 2: we have a bed for you here, but like your 84 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 2: room's a gastroom now. 85 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: It's a guest room. Yeah, it's transitioning over. It'll be 86 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: yours when you come. 87 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 2: Here, right, this is always your home, I fully Or 88 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 2: are we rushing it too much? 89 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 1: No? No, I think I think. Look, your job, I think, 90 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: partly as a parent, is to make them feel welcome 91 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: to come back home, but not too comfortable, like they 92 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: can always come live back home. 93 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 2: You want, well, you want to support independence and growth. 94 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, in all seriousness, I'm joking a little bit, 95 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: but all kidding aside I do want my kids to 96 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: start start thinking of their independence, and that just the 97 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: natural next stage is not to boomerang back home. The 98 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: next stage is you're going to graduate, you will work, 99 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: You're going to get an apartment or whatever you can afford, 100 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: and that's where you're going to live, and you're going 101 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 1: to start your life and establish your life. 102 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. My mom always said, like when my little brother 103 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 2: graduated law school and started working, she's like, Okay, my 104 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 2: job is done. Like they all have jobs, they're all working, 105 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 2: contributing members of. 106 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: Or whatever it is. Right, that is a huge step. 107 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: I've talked to your mom a little bit about that, 108 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 1: and it really is such a prideful, proud moment to 109 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: like you, you've done it, Like Donnazima, you've done it, 110 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: like you probably you have three amazingly successful children that 111 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 1: are living on their own, crushing it on their own. 112 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: That's not easy. 113 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 2: I mean, of course, first and foremost you want them 114 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 2: to be good people, yes, but of course yeah, I 115 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 2: mean I think you're right that you you want your 116 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 2: kids to always feel like this is your home, you 117 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 2: are always welcome here. I mean I love still feeling 118 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 2: that way. Obviously in my mom's home. I think you 119 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 2: want to make sure they have a place to sleep. 120 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 2: It's not like, hey, you can't stay here anymore. Your 121 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 2: room's a gym. Now find a hotel. That would hurt me, 122 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 2: But no, my childhood room is long gone. 123 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: So what am I in for? 124 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 2: You're in for? Actually, this has been very sweet. My 125 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 2: mom has a really used the moment of you coming 126 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 2: to our house. She's like, you know what, I'm going 127 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,239 Speaker 2: to like refresh the house in a way I haven't 128 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 2: in a while. So I'm feeling great because I've been 129 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 2: trying to get her to do this for a long time. 130 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 2: So Donna has been you know, I mean to the 131 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 2: point of like she's gotten some new faucets and some. 132 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 1: Bath nice new fixtures. 133 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, fixing up. 134 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 1: I know, she's been painting a little bit. Yeah, Like, 135 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: so it's going to be and I And by. 136 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 2: The way, let's take a moment for that. No matter 137 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 2: how much a parent loves their kid, it's like, we 138 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 2: don't listen to our family. I've been telling my mom 139 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 2: to paint the kitchen cabinets for years. Oh, all of 140 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 2: a sudden, Chris Harrison's coming home. She let you know 141 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 2: she likes she She probably likes having you in your 142 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 2: kitchen more than she likes me in there. 143 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: I know that I was going to say, what I 144 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 1: know I'm looking forward to is your mom's food, because 145 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 1: obviously she came in and cooked for our wedding, and 146 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: we've been she's come here for events and for holidays 147 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: as well, and she does she loves to be in 148 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: the kitchen as much as I do. We have kind 149 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: of this nice dance we do where we both kind 150 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 1: of well. 151 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 2: She's already assigned you things to cook for this. 152 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 1: I know I'm fired up. I am, and I'm in 153 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: charge of the tenderloin. She's doing the turkey. I'm doing 154 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: a tenderloin in mashed potatoes, and I'm bringing wine. 155 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 2: Let's out you for something that might be a hot take. 156 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 2: You don't like turkey. 157 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: It's not that a look. I'm just if you were 158 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: going to say, what would you like to have for 159 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: dinner tonight? Because I love the fixings. Give me your 160 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: green bean casserole, sweet potato, you name it, Yam's mashed potatoes, 161 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: anything that you're traditional stuffing all of it. 162 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 2: Skimming is very much about the side. 163 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: I love the sides. But if you're like Okay, what 164 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: do you want your man to be? If you're at 165 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: a restaurant, would you love a filet min yon, would 166 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: you love a tenderloin? Or would you like some turkey? 167 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but ninety nine nine percent of the time, 168 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: I'm going to say, give me a nice, beautiful steak. 169 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 2: I mean, I never eat turkey other than Thanksgiving, but 170 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 2: I look forward to it. But you comet at it 171 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 2: more from this chef's perspective of like that turkey's very 172 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 2: dry and you have to do a lot to it, 173 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 2: so I don't really have. 174 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: I fried a turkey, Redneck. I fried turkeys, and your 175 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: mom bakes once. She brinds it and then bakes it, 176 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: and it's one I've had your mom's turkey. It's incredible. 177 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: But at the same time, you know, it's funny. What 178 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: I look forward to the most about turkey is the 179 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:40,319 Speaker 1: turkey sandwich. 180 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 2: Later the moistmaker that Ross cites on friends. 181 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, he put it the fridge. Somebody ate his and 182 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: he really went after him. But I am a big 183 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: fan of Later, about three or four hours later turkey 184 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: and I make I'm kind of the same way I 185 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: put everything in the sandwich. It's cranberry sauce, turkey, gravy, 186 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:00,719 Speaker 1: some stuffing. It's all packed in there. 187 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, I agree with you. I the leftovers are 188 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 2: sometimes better the next day. Last year, actually, we had 189 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 2: Thanksgiving here and we had a leftovers and libations neighborhood party, 190 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 2: which was fun because every friends giving right to get 191 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 2: your leftovers. Yes, what I really appreciate about you is 192 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 2: that you are so helpful, like in the kitchen on holidays, 193 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 2: at events, at parties. We talked about this a lot 194 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 2: with the wedding, but you jump in and help. And 195 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 2: I really like that. You're not nervous or I don't 196 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:36,959 Speaker 2: know you're You're really good at Like you haven't met 197 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 2: all of my extended family, but I think you're You're 198 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:42,079 Speaker 2: I never worry about you in those situations. 199 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, And likewise, you and I are both good in 200 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: those situations where we can both handle each other, Like 201 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: you don't have to check on me. If I'm with 202 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: Aunt Sally, it's like I'm fine and I and I knew, 203 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 1: and I would know the same for you. I would 204 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: look over and just see you and I'm like, yeah, 205 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: she's got it now. 206 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 2: We met someone the other night who told a story 207 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 2: that you and I did not agree with. This person 208 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 2: was telling a story of the first time they went 209 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 2: home to the person they were dating, so or they 210 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 2: went to the person they were datings like family home, right, 211 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 2: And this woman is telling the story of how she 212 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 2: met the family and she is a vegetarian and she 213 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 2: was so offended because the family didn't have food that 214 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 2: she could eat, really, and that she actually got in 215 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 2: a fight with the guy she was dating over it, 216 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 2: and it became this big deal. And I maybe I'm 217 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 2: not being fair of the vegetarians out there, but if 218 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 2: I'm going to somebody i'm dating's family home to meet 219 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 2: their parents for the first time, I'm just gonna like 220 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 2: poke my food around on my plate, smile, and make 221 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 2: a good impression out of it. 222 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: You can go get a Tofu Burger later. Your job 223 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: is to just be happy. And I think on the 224 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 1: first time, yeah, put on your best face, make friends, 225 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: bring you know ingratiate yourself to the face family. And 226 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: if you realize, oh god, they even put bacon into 227 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: the green bean casserole, just just go with it, just 228 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: like you said, move it around, hide it under the 229 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: mashed potatoes, and then go eat later and then you know, 230 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 1: the next time you can broach that subject or the 231 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: next time your husband's not about you. 232 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 2: On the first time. It's not about whether you like them, 233 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:20,839 Speaker 2: it's that you're trying to get them to like you. 234 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 2: You're trying to put your best foot forward. 235 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: I totally agree with. 236 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 2: That, and I'm a big believer to I mean, I 237 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 2: get it if you've known someone for years and you're like, listen, 238 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,959 Speaker 2: I've told you I'm a vegetarian. Please. But also, by 239 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 2: the way, when you're the odd one out in a 240 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 2: group situation, I think you have to look out for 241 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,199 Speaker 2: yourself a little bit more. That's on you, Like bring 242 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 2: a dish that you're okay with eating, like make something 243 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 2: you know. I mean, I think it's always a bread 244 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 2: flag about a human if they think that the group 245 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 2: should accommodate them instead of like that they they're going 246 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 2: to say, hey, you know what I mean. 247 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: I don't know. It was Thanksgiving always huge in your family. 248 00:11:58,720 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 2: In terms of the number of people. 249 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 1: Just no, I mean like just big holiday like something 250 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: like for me growing up, it was actually something kind 251 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,839 Speaker 1: of odd because there was always the soccer tournament. There 252 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: was the Houston Thanksgiving Day soccer tournament, So we would 253 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: go to Houston and mostly we were in a hotel 254 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: and that I have an aunt and uncle in Houston 255 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 1: and we would go to them. But it was kind 256 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: of like that was for many many years, so it 257 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: wasn't like this. We always got together with fifty people 258 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 1: type of a holiday for a lot of years. And 259 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: then after soccer when we kind of grew up and 260 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: that stopped, then we kind of figured out what that was. 261 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: But has it always just been your house, your mom? 262 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: Like that's yeah. 263 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 2: And I actually saw there was some Maley Instagram quote 264 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 2: the other day about how how much your childhood continues 265 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 2: to affect like the way like everything in your life, 266 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 2: you know, in this particular quote was about relationship. But 267 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 2: I'm thinking about it right now because like the quote 268 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 2: was about that, like if someone you're in a relationship 269 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 2: with isn't treating you well, you have to realize that 270 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 2: they're modeling their childhood and they have to fix themselves. It's, 271 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,439 Speaker 2: you know, before they can work on you. So I 272 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 2: guess I'm applying that here with It's interesting because I 273 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 2: don't think you I've always you don't see Thanksgiving as 274 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 2: that big of a holiday. You've said before, You don't really, 275 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 2: it's like you wait more so look forward to Christmas. 276 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,439 Speaker 2: And maybe that's why, because it was always this other this. 277 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, we it was busy, and we made it something 278 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: on the actual day. Like you said, I'd go to 279 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 1: my aunt and uncles eventually and they would cook and 280 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: we'd be there and but there was always kind of 281 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: something going on, and it would always and I go, 282 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:45,559 Speaker 1: you're not going to love this sports reference, but the 283 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys are one of the teams that always plays 284 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: on Thanksgiving. And when I was a sportscaster and I 285 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 1: started my career, you're the low man on the totem pole. 286 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: That means you work Holidays. I spent many gosh five 287 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: or six Thanksgivings at Texas Stadium working the game, and 288 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: I would eat my meal in the press room with 289 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: the other press guys and they had bad turkey and 290 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 1: bad whatever. And I would cover the game and then 291 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: I would drive somewhere and meet family in Dallas after 292 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,079 Speaker 1: the game. But again it was kind of an afterthought 293 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: because I covered the football game that day and it 294 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: was it was It was funny because it was always 295 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: a tradition growing up that the Dallas Cowboys played and 296 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: then it turned into that was my job and I 297 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: was at that game on Thanksgiving Day. 298 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 2: So we're married. Now, yeah, we can create this ourselves. 299 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 2: What do we want Thanksgiving to be? 300 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: Well? I like, I mean number one. I like where 301 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: we're going. I like going to your childhood home. 302 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 2: Have you checked the weather? It's going to be things 303 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 2: are going to. 304 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: Be a little but well, what's funny is your mom thought, oh, 305 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: you know, if you come, you can play golf. And 306 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: I'm like, it's Chicago in November, it's cold. 307 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 2: Wait are you saying that as much as you love golf, 308 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 2: you wouldn't play this weather's to stop you. 309 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: Your people are of stronger blood than I am. 310 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 2: I yeah, growing up in Chicago, you have a bigger talk, 311 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 2: better term for sure. 312 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: People. I mean, I think even now people of Chicago 313 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: are stopping their golf season because it's going to get 314 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: down in the twenties. But yeah, that's the I draw 315 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: the line there as a divorced man with kids, You 316 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: and I and I just my heart goes out to everybody. 317 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: And by the way, I'm thinking about you if you 318 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: have children and you're not with your kids on the holiday, 319 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: because it's not your holiday. And so you know, the 320 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: way my ex and I have always done it is 321 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: we kind of split up the holidays is one would 322 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: get one would get Thanksgiving, the other gets Christmas, and 323 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: then you switch the opposite year. So and even though 324 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: the kids are in college, we kind of just keep 325 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: this going. And so, you know, if you don't have 326 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: your kids over the holidays, and especially if this is 327 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: your first time to go through the holidays divorced or 328 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: missing your kids, that's just I'm thinking about you. It's 329 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: a tough thing to get used to. You do get 330 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: used to it, as with all things. Time heals those wounds. 331 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: But it is a weird thing on a holiday to 332 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: not be with your kids, because it's just it's natural 333 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: and it's it's something that you do. And so, you know, 334 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: we'll be without the kids on Thanksgiving. I've been doing 335 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: it for over a decade now, so I'm very much 336 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: used to it. But I'll never not think about them, 337 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: and wonder you know, I've talked to them and obviously 338 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: we'll face time and all that, and it's wonderful and 339 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: we have a great relationship with their mom, but we 340 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 1: don't spend holidays together, and so if you are going 341 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: through that for the first time, the second time, third time, 342 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: and it's still raw for you, I feel you and 343 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: it will get better. And just you know, Holiday is 344 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: just today, but it's there is a loneliness to that 345 00:16:57,680 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: when you're missing your kids on those days. 346 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 2: So it's your advice, you know. 347 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: It's it's terrible advice. It is the time heels those wounds. 348 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: You will get used to it and it becomes the 349 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 1: new normal. 350 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 2: But I think one important thing you did was you 351 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 2: found chosen family like you started, because if you weren't 352 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 2: with your kids, you also didn't have family living near 353 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 2: you in California during those years, and you found really 354 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 2: good friends and made those friendships and they took you 355 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 2: in and shout out to Chip unless our our friendship. 356 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 1: Now infamously we can't go a week without mentioning Chip. 357 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: But they were and they were really good. You know. 358 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: I had I had dear friends who looked out for 359 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: me and said, Hey, if you're not with anybody this 360 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: Easter or this Thanksgiving or whatever, come to our house. 361 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: Just just show up Christmas night. Don't be alone Christmas night, 362 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: come show up. So finding that community, finding friends, don't 363 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: just sit alone in your own thoughts, and look, if 364 00:17:55,760 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: you don't have that, go volunteer, go to a soup kitchen, volunteer, 365 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: be active, be around people. And I think there's things 366 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: you can do where you can volunteer for Thanksgiving, for 367 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,439 Speaker 1: Christmas and all that, or if you have other friends 368 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,199 Speaker 1: you can be with that you know will kind of 369 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,199 Speaker 1: take you in, so to speak. I think that is 370 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 1: important and it doesn't make you just forget everything, but 371 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: at least you're surrounded by love and you're surrounded by that. 372 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: And I'm so grateful for Chip and lists were that 373 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: for me for many years, especially when it first started, 374 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: because you don't know, you don't know what to do. 375 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: You've had a set thing your whole life and then 376 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, and I'm guessing to put this 377 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 1: back on you, it's a little bit like when you 378 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 1: lose somebody, you know, when your dad first died. 379 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course my mind is going there a little 380 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 2: bit right now as you're talking about this, because we 381 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 2: talked about this a lot when I was doing experience 382 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 2: camps where I volunteered for kids who have lost their parents. 383 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 2: The holidays are hard when you've been through loss, especially 384 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 2: when that loss is fresh because everybody around you is 385 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 2: so happy. The focus is on family, and you're one less. 386 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 2: You know you're missing a person and you're it's not 387 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 2: even a divorce thing where you're going to see them 388 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 2: the next time, you know. If so, it's a harsh 389 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 2: reminder for sure. I think the same time heals wounds. 390 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 2: I would say, if you're going through grief right now, 391 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 2: my heart is with you, and I love the saying 392 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 2: grief is a river. It is always moving and always changing. 393 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 2: So you know you will always miss that person, but things, 394 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 2: the harsh pain will get better, it will lessen and 395 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 2: you will find joy in their memory, and things will 396 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 2: get better and the pain will change. So know that 397 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 2: it will get better. Know that we are with you. 398 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:53,199 Speaker 1: And I guess you said, what's your advice. My advice is, 399 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,199 Speaker 1: if you are that person, it's incumbent upon you to 400 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: try and find something and make yourself busy, find a commune, 401 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: something like that. But I would also say my advice 402 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,479 Speaker 1: is for people out there. If you know someone, if 403 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: one of your friends has just gotten divorced, if they 404 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 1: have just lost somebody, reach out to them this week 405 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: and just say hey, if you're not doing anything, And 406 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: I get it. Maybe you don't want them there for 407 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: the actual meal if it's very sacred just to have 408 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 1: your family there, but just say, hey, we're going to 409 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 1: be done eating around five five thirty, come over and 410 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,640 Speaker 1: watch the football game with us after or just something, yeah, 411 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 1: to try to just reach out to them. 412 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 2: Well, you know what I was thinking about as we 413 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 2: were just saying, we can choose our own Thanksgiving. I 414 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 2: am such a big believer in chosen family and friendships 415 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,439 Speaker 2: being just as important as family, and also in like, 416 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 2: you know, Thanksgiving, at the end of the day, it's 417 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 2: kind of just about food and people, right, Christmas move 418 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 2: gifts or you have religious aspects to that. Thanksgiving is 419 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 2: about food and people and so and being grateful hopefully, 420 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 2: so I think, like, find your people. I love that 421 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 2: friends Giving has become a bigger thing in recent years, 422 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 2: and I. 423 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: Think that Giving can be that holiday where you choose 424 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 1: who you want to be with. Yeah, whereas Christmas obviously 425 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 1: is a very religious holiday and it's typically with your family. Right. 426 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 2: I think as you and I move forward, and for 427 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 2: anybody out there, as you move forward with what you 428 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 2: want to do, like, I love that you're making a 429 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:24,360 Speaker 2: tenderline on Thanksgiving. You know who cares in my I've 430 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 2: been at Thanksgivings before where the tradition was, you know what, Uh, 431 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 2: we don't really want to do this whole big turkey thing. 432 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 2: Why doesn't everybody make something and bring your thing you're 433 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 2: going to make, and well what everybody makes and you 434 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 2: can really have fun with it, and I don't. I 435 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 2: have suddenly some family members who are very tied to tradition. 436 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 2: I'm not so much. 437 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I wasn't. I remember vividly the first Thanksgiving after 438 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,640 Speaker 1: my divorce, because you know, we've been married for seventeen years. 439 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 1: The kids were for you know, we're ten years old, 440 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: and so they'd grown up with these traditions, and so 441 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: I just thought, let's shake it up, and so I 442 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: took them on a Disney cruise. I grab the kids 443 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 1: and I grabbed my mom, and I know we're not 444 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 1: cruise people, but we went on a Disney cruise for Thanksgiving. 445 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,679 Speaker 1: I was like, what the heck, let's just I just 446 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: wanted to make the kids, just distract them. They're like, oh, 447 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 1: this is okay, and so I've yeah, exactly. So that's 448 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: what we did. And there were a couple of friends 449 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: and they brought their kids, and that's what we did, 450 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: and so and then we kind of found our place. 451 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 1: But when you ask me, like, okay, what would our 452 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 1: tradition be, or we can start one, well, kind of 453 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,479 Speaker 1: every other year, it's going to be. You know, it's 454 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: a little different because the kids are with us, then 455 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: they're not. The kids are with us, and then the 456 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: kids get older, right, and then they're probably going to 457 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 1: get married, and then they'll have their truth, you know. 458 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: So it's interesting. I'm a big believer of I will 459 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: go where family is, I will go where the love is. 460 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: I'm all in. If it's this year, it's your family 461 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: and we're going to Chicago. If next year we happen 462 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,640 Speaker 1: to host it, great whatever. If that's where we can 463 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: gather everybody, that's really all I care about is if 464 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: you're there as much family, as many friends as we 465 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: can see, that's great with me totally. 466 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,640 Speaker 2: I was thinking before we sat down, you know, I mean, 467 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 2: maybe my favorite part of Thanksgiving is going around the 468 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 2: table and acknowledging what everybody's grateful for, because it's a 469 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 2: really good moment in a chaotic, busy world to pause 470 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 2: and reflect and I am so grateful for this year. 471 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 2: I think we've had. When I look back, I've had, 472 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 2: you know, just some really good trips with friends. We 473 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 2: were so lucky with both of the weddings. They went 474 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 2: so well. We were surrounded by so much love. The 475 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 2: kids are in a good, healthy, happy place. My siblings, 476 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 2: my mom, you know, your parents. Everybody's like, you have 477 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 2: to be really grateful for a good season. So I 478 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 2: just want to soak that in and really pause and 479 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 2: be thankful and reflect on that. 480 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 1: And I know we live in tumultuous times and there's 481 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: crazy things going on around the world, so I think 482 00:23:56,040 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: it's really really incumbent upon all of us this week 483 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 1: to just take a deep breath and also give thanks 484 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 1: and that's what Thanksgiving is all about. And so yes, 485 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: we can look at the dark side of things and 486 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: talk about that, and no doubt those topics will be 487 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: brought up at Thanksgiving tables in an unbelievably awkward way. 488 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: And by the way, that'll be a good show afterwards 489 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: to try and find people to come on the show, like, Okay, 490 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: who is the person that brought up that really awkward 491 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: moment topic of. 492 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 2: By the way, as I'm sitting here saying toxic family members. Look, 493 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 2: I've laughed with my friends about this. Sometimes you want 494 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,120 Speaker 2: the crazy aunt at Thanksgiving. You don't know what she's 495 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 2: going to do. You want a story out of it. 496 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 2: You want to grab your cousin, go in the other 497 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 2: room and say, did you hear what she just said? 498 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 2: Like maybe that's the best part of Thanksgiving is. 499 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,439 Speaker 1: The crazy And there is a lot of that, But 500 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: embrace it all. And I have so much to be 501 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: thankful for this year. Obviously, I'm sitting right next to 502 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: what I'm most thankful for this year, the love of 503 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 1: my life and getting married and the kids being healthy. 504 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 1: It's a good season, and so we have a lot 505 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 1: to give thanks for. And one of the things we 506 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: can give thanks for is you, guys, and the fact 507 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: that we've all been together this year, and we've been 508 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: doing this podcast for going on a year now, and 509 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: we've enjoyed so much talking to you and so on 510 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 1: these holiday weeks, we love to connect. And I hope 511 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,479 Speaker 1: wherever you find yourself, whoever you're with, I hope you 512 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: have a wonderful, wonderful holiday and be safe and come 513 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: back to us, because we have a lot more to 514 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: talk about happy Thanksgiving everybody. Thanks for listening. Follow us 515 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 1: on Instagram at the most dramatic pod ever, and make 516 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,360 Speaker 1: sure to write us a review and leave us five stars. 517 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 1: I'll talk to you next time.