WEBVTT - Child's Welfare w/ Michael Weston 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:04.240 Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.480 --> 0:00:07.040 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:10.520 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on These are our stories. 0:00:10.880 --> 0:00:31.480 Done done, Yay, that's messed up. In sv podcast, I'm 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:36.320 Liza Trigger and I'm Kara Klank and we're here hosting 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:41.800 episode recaps of SVU true crime deep dives and. 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:45.000 Interviews with actors and other esteemed guests. 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:49.800 Wait, Kara, what did you see the Minions movie? You 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:53.040 always see every kid's movie or babkay. Well, because I 0:00:53.080 --> 0:00:54.960 just got a text from a friend going the Minions 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:57.040 movie is incredible, by the way, and I was, I'm like, 0:00:57.200 --> 0:00:58.000 I will got to ask. 0:00:58.120 --> 0:00:59.040 I got that was. 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:03.640 Great actually, like because it's like all about movies. It's 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:07.360 like they the Minions get to like nineteen forties or 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:10.520 fifties Hollywood, and that's like what it's about. Or maybe no, 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:13.400 probably earlier earlier, because at one point they're using like 0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:16.800 a real like they're silent, but yeah, like early Hollywood 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:19.520 and one of the minions just really wants to make movies. 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:24.080 And then it also incorporates Call of Cthulhu, which is 0:01:24.120 --> 0:01:27.240 a game that Jared plays. Yes, and there's this little 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:31.680 Cthulhu monster name Goomi that is voiced by Trey Parker, 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:33.880 I think from South Park. 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:35.520 And he does such a good. 0:01:35.440 --> 0:01:38.520 Job voicing this little guy because he sounds to me 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:41.280 like Jerry Blank from Strangers with Candy, which you know 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:45.000 is Amy Sedaris, and it made me laugh so much. Obviously, 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:46.399 I'm like there with my two kids. They don't know 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:49.280 what Strangers with Candy is, But like, I loved it. 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:53.520 Minions versus monsters go to it. Everybody catch us. It's like, 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:55.400 what do I see? First session? 0:01:55.760 --> 0:02:00.440 Honestly, minions, Like, I feel like you're gonna obsession. 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:02.440 And I say that as somebody he was not laid 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:04.240 an eye on a frame of it, but I think 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:06.080 you're gonna love it. I got an invite to day 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:08.640 to go, but I just would wrap. We were working 0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:10.679 and then I I'd rather nap. I have spots, I 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:13.679 have a birthday party. I mean, I'm squeezing it all in. Look, 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:17.160 I think that's really really smart. You need to rest, 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:22.800 but I'm gonna miss it, like scared. I know, I 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:26.360 you know, I missed fucking stop that train. And I 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:28.359 was sad because that's a movie that I wanted to 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:31.920 see in the theater, like surrounded by other crazy people. 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:35.480 So I wanted to see that, but sadly I missed 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:38.079 it because I was like in the Grand Canyon or whatever. 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:43.359 But yeah, but I've bess. I really love Robert Pattinson. 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:46.080 I mean obviously watched Twilight on the patrenot. We've talked 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:48.200 about it whatever. Like he's won me over in a 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:51.480 way that I could never see coming. Interesting. His press 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:55.120 is just so funny. He's so silly, like I don't know, 0:02:55.160 --> 0:03:00.520 he just seems really cool. He's yeah cool, you don't hatch. 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:02.320 To make a friend of No, he's attached to make 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:03.959 a movie with if not a friend of mine wrote 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:06.160 And I'm like really hoping it happens because it's really 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:07.840 good and I think he'll be really awesome in it. 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:11.440 No, it seems like he's really talented. It's like, so 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:14.120 I saw a meme that was like, it's who Timothy 0:03:14.160 --> 0:03:19.880 Shalla may thinks he is? Yes, you know, yeah, yeah, 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:23.120 we really turned on Timothy. He's having his Anne Hathaway moment. 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:28.200 Yeah yeah, but he's doing fucking Calshie commercials. It's just 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:31.840 like he is, Yeah, your your bro is showing and 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:36.160 we don't like it. Ew that's a cool saying, right, 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:38.880 your bro is showing. Oh that's been so fun with 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:42.280 my backgammon lessons. Is like there's all these little sayings 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:45.960 and I really like them, like what like clear from 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:49.840 the rear, and then the other one like when you 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:51.960 take like a peg, you put it on the middle bar, 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:55.760 and so that's called dancing on the bar. Okay, So 0:03:55.800 --> 0:03:59.200 I like that, Like those are the only two I 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:00.000 could think of right now. 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:05.360 Oh, when in dowt knockout, When in doubt knockout? Okay? 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:08.680 Yeah, so yeah, that's that's helping me. Let's attack, build 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:13.560 your pride, Like yeah, there's just like all these things amazing. 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:15.160 I like clear from the rear. 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:19.280 That sounds like it could be applied to some other things. 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:26.960 I think of what right now? But yeah, oh god, 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:28.359 backam it on my mind. 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:32.520 But there's a tournament that guy told me in January 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:35.039 in New Jersey, So I think I'm going to try 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:37.520 to train for that as well and go without like 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:40.960 just go to play and see domestic and they'll bring 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:44.279 me another tournament and league in September, like I might 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:44.720 dive in. 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:47.120 We'll see, we'll see, or it could be a flash 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:51.640 in the pace pants. Yeah is that not a sing? 0:04:57.920 --> 0:04:59.040 It's flash in the pan? 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:02.800 But I love the pants and it should absolutely stay. 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:07.240 Babe, It'll just be a flash in the pants. Oh 0:05:07.279 --> 0:05:10.760 my god, I'm dying. I love it. Oh so funny. 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:13.039 Wait, there's a guy getting evicted right now in New 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:15.160 York because he had too many books and the landlord 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:18.160 and victim like used hoarding laws to. 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:19.040 Get him out. 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:22.280 Oh no, I didn't read the article, but has been 0:05:22.279 --> 0:05:23.600 sent to me by a few people. 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:27.920 Wait, he has too many what books? Oh god, I'll 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:30.200 send it to Jared. I make him do one in 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:31.960 one out. I'm like, if you're gonna get like fine 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:33.760 new books, you gotta like you got it. You gotta 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:34.919 just we gotta get rid of some of these that 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:35.440 you don't touch. 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:38.040 That's one of the first times I met you was 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:40.280 or we hung out, was in your West Hollywood apartment. 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:41.920 You were moving and you were forcing him to get 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:44.200 rid of books and drop them off and those boxes. 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:45.760 And it's like, for as. 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:47.719 Long as I've known you, guys, there's always just been 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:49.599 like a kind of a pressure to get books out 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:52.960 of the homes. Yep, yep, there's constantly a box that's 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:54.400 half full, where I'm like, what are we gonna fill 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:56.120 this bad boy up and get it off? Because he 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:59.200 really I'm I'm gonna post a photo of just his 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:02.360 bedside table at my mother's house right now. There are 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:05.719 probably twenty books on his bedside table on our summer 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:06.800 trip at my mom. 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:09.480 Bet you'll read them all, you know, think. 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:13.640 So he probably probably probably, but but no, no, he'll 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:15.880 probably read half. I think he just likes to bounce around. 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:17.640 He likes to have options. It's a lot of books 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:20.080 to travel with. It's a lot of books. But we 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:22.000 did I guess seeah, we had more space. 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:23.800 Okay, So I don't know if I already talked. 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:25.760 About this or in the time machine, I apologize, but 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:29.279 you know we talked about like Hudson Williams spat kind 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:32.280 of with the paparazzi. Yes, and I saw something come 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:34.840 up in my feed where he was trying to light 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:38.120 something on fire like one of the pictures. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:41.760 So so this is the thing like he likes to 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:44.120 post and so then I think like he he gave 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:46.320 it to us because thank god. But I think it 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:48.839 was also like we don't need the paparazzi. I will 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:49.680 share my life with you. 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:50.240 Yeah. 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:53.360 So he ended up posting like an eighteen photo fucking 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:56.320 main grid post of like him and his girlfriend and 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:58.240 friends and art museums. I love that he loves art 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:01.400 museums obviously, and just like all fun stuff and like 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:03.320 out at bars. And then he posted a ton of 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:06.800 stories and then he posted this, and he compared the 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:08.760 pop we have to post this on the Instagram. But 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:11.040 he posted this, and that's the guy who tried to 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:13.720 get the autograph. 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:15.400 It's Mode baby. 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:20.360 And I just like, oh, that's freaking what's his name 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:21.320 from Dispicable Me? 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:23.160 Yeah, that's why I'm showing it because. 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:27.320 His name is it not the main Is it not 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:29.400 Steve Krell's character as a kid. 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:31.680 No, that's not Grue. 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:33.840 That's the bad guy who tries to seal the pyramids 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:34.200 hold on. 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:37.400 So yeah, so it's like and the paparazzi guy does 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:41.080 look like him Vector, it's Vector, yeah, and the hairdoo's 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:44.840 the same. Like, so Hudson posts it, I'll text it 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:47.240 to you now, so we'll post it on the Instagram. Yeah, 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:50.880 But so he immediately like posted roasting this guy to 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:54.880 his like four point five million followers, and I'm just like, yeah, 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:57.520 like let us fuck it, like let him live. 0:07:57.640 --> 0:07:59.840 He will share with us, I know. 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:02.680 But that guy's job is to get money, right, like 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:04.840 for his website. 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:07.400 Whatever. Fucking yeah. 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:09.440 I mean I've said it before on this podcast, like 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:11.480 the paparazzi people that I've had to be around have 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:12.080 been some of the. 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:15.240 Most vile people I've I've ever shared space with. 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:18.240 Well, I was watching one thing and it was like 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:21.760 a paparazzi that actually was like respectful and kind. And 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:24.400 now he has such close relationships with all these celebs 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:27.760 that they call him. Yeah, and because he's been respectful, 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:29.520 it's like nothing, but I don't. 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:31.320 Know, I haven't that's probably the way to do it. 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:32.960 And then there's these other guys that are just like 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:35.800 disgusting that sit in these pits going nobody knows who 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:38.440 you are, move on, and they like they disrespect like 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:39.800 people that are young. 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:42.920 Stars on the rise. Yeah, and people are just so rude. 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:46.720 And then yeah, whatever, but he's posting from like his 0:08:46.800 --> 0:08:49.439 trip to Greece and like his like I don't know, 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:51.880 like he shares, so it's like there's no reason to stock. 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:55.959 Him actually yeah, yeah, yeah, but whatever, and also probably. 0:08:57.240 --> 0:09:01.280 So much it doesn't really make it probably makes the 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:02.760 photos less valuable. 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:06.240 So yeah, and he does wear the same shirts a lot. 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:08.439 He wears like one T shirt all the time. 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:15.880 Good for him, I like too, Yeah, good for him. 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:17.199 I'm trying to think. 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:20.240 Because Daniel Radcliffe did that, I think it was him 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:23.160 where like he just wore the exact same outfit every 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:25.360 time he went anywhere, so like they just became less 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:27.320 valuable because he looks the same and everything. 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:31.240 Oh that's funny. Yeah, and it's like, what are we 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:35.800 getting speaking of Daniel Radcliffe. I just when I was 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:38.200 at the shore, we watched a little bit of The 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:41.959 Fall and Rise of Reggie Dinkins, which Daniel Radcliffe is in, 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:45.040 and it's funny and Bobby moynihan, it's funny. It's very 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:48.040 thirty Rock, which is like a show I loved, So 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:49.640 it's like very thirty rock. 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:51.240 Also, do you know what we watched that I liked? 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:54.559 Have you ever watched Seth Myers do his day drinking 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:56.440 thing with people where they get day drunk. 0:09:56.920 --> 0:09:59.440 Of course you know him on YouTube and you know 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:02.959 I'm watching stuff. Do you like them? I love them? Oh, okay, okay. 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:06.960 That's where we got the Viralna Carpenter clip where he goes, oh, right, 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:10.079 were you on SVU and she goes a victim yeah, 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:12.360 and he goes of what and she goes of what, 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:16.600 come on? Well, the best one is Rihanna Like that's 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:18.280 the best one. Oh, I gotta watch it. 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:21.200 We watched the Paul Rudd, which, you know what, I 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:23.600 don't believe in Hall passes, but Paul Rudd's like Jared 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:25.200 when he asks me for a name, I'm like, it's 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:28.440 Paul Rudd. And then we watched the Julia Louis Dreyfus, 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:30.440 which I loved because at the beginning she has no 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:31.160 respect for him. 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:32.960 At the beginning, she has and she has no respect 0:10:33.040 --> 0:10:34.720 and she's like this is such a dumb idea. 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:36.480 But then she does have a lot of fun like 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:39.360 as it goes on, and I loved that. I loved 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:43.040 how they were. It's so funny. I'm sorry, watching famous 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:44.200 people get drunk is funny. 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:46.959 Yeah, And I like that seth probably goes like he 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:49.200 has to tell his wife, like, listen, today's my drunk 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:49.839 day at work. 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:51.040 Yeah, block it out. 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:59.000 I can't help Yeah, sincerely, Oh my God, Well it's 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:02.200 kind of rude because they're in our like orbit, I guess, 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:05.920 but they are famous. I don't know, but the Tom 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:11.080 Sigora and Christina Prasinski divorcing after nineteen years. Yeah, and 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:13.720 YouTube does not like him. I mean they're just like 0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:16.440 finding all these clips where he's like saying nasty shit 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:19.720 and you know their podcast like he's an irreverent person, 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:22.200 but it does, you know. But it's like her talking 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:24.839 about how they're touring so much, like he tours so much, 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:28.720 and you know, it's like your kids are really small, 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:32.080 and he just goes, do you like your fucking life? 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:33.559 And it's like I bet if you did half the 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:35.800 dates you'd still be really rik. Yeah, but like for sure. 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:39.440 Showed me his poster when like a while ago, and 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:41.560 I was like, that's a lot of dates for a 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:44.320 guy with two kids. Like I remember thinking that, like 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:47.760 especially when your wife also does this job. 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:51.320 You know, no, like Nikki Glee is there toer posters 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:53.800 or that like aggressive, but it's like she's a single girl. 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:56.440 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, like on this on the Lamb, 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:59.000 it's like different, but who knows. I don't want to 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:01.600 talk about like a guest business but they are famous people. 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:02.080 I don't know. 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:05.120 Yeah, I was very like I was. I thought about 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:06.160 you when I heard about that. I was like, I 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:07.360 wonder if she has scoop. 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:10.320 I don't have scoop. They don't really talk to me 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:18.920 in any capacity, but but I will say, oh, I 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:20.920 ring a guy's gal never pays. 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:21.960 I'll tell you that much. 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:26.480 Speaking of Austin comedians, I was talking with my friends 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:29.720 about like they were like talking about the Kevin Hart 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:31.560 roast and stuff like that, and they were like, those 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:35.480 guys seemed gross and I go, oh, yeah, like Tony Hinchcliff. 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:36.160 These like guys or whatever. 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:39.400 And I was like, you know, I watched I saw 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:43.559 Yaminika and Jess Curson do this little podcast bit where 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:46.079 they were like, he's always been nice to me. They 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:48.520 both said he's always been nice to me. But Yaminika 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:51.360 was like, but when you are the king of the 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:54.080 white in Cell boys, you need to like own that 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:58.200 and say something and you don't. And my friend, who 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:01.360 is very involved in like the back basketball world, was 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:04.800 like that you're describing Caitlyn Clark right now. She's like, 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:07.360 that's what people get mad at Caitlyn Clark about. Because 0:13:07.440 --> 0:13:10.200 all her fans are super racist. Not all, many of 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:13.640 her fans are racists, say really awful shit, and she 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:16.840 never speaks up about it. Yeah, I didn't know that, 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:19.720 and I was like, that's interesting. I didn't know that. Yeah, 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:23.920 so you know, wants that money? I get I want. 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:26.520 I don't know. I have an idea because the. 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:28.840 Nike mad at you if you say, hey, guys, stop 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:32.120 calling my teammates racist names or my opponents, Like, that's 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:32.960 not the spirit of. 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:36.080 Maybe she's maybe she's a racist. Sooner she's friends with 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:38.280 the Cunningham Girls. That's her name, right, Sophie. 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:39.800 I don't know. 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:41.600 Is that the girl with the pointed finger, the blonde 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:43.680 one like she's they call her Maga Barbie. 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:46.160 Oh I know. I don't know who that one is. 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:50.160 I don't Yeah, I don't know about any of it. 0:13:50.360 --> 0:13:53.240 I just got you know, anytime I kind of engage 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:55.240 on Instagram, I always regret it because I forget people 0:13:55.280 --> 0:14:00.880 are so stupid. But I just like people that believe 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:04.640 that their partners should not have friends of the opposite 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:05.679 sex are. 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:06.000 Just like. 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:09.920 You must they must be stupid, right. 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:12.599 Like, because I said something, I go, I go to me, 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:16.680 it's a red flag I go, because it's going backwards. Basically, 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:19.680 like we got into a tiff at the bar with 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:21.400 one of our guy friends because he's friends with a 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:23.280 guy that we both hate, me and my friend and 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:24.200 like he's. 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:25.560 Like, that's my friend, stop talking ablah blah blah. 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:26.800 And I had to tell my friend, I go, at 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:28.800 the end of the day, bro, you have tons of 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:31.760 female friends and he has zero. And that's something to 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:34.800 think about. Like you are with a man who is 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:38.760 so many women hate and you ignoring that? 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:39.840 Is it weird? 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:42.880 Yeah, when you're actually here with six women who are 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:44.000 all telling you he sucks. 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:44.440 Yeah. 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:48.000 So and we were all drinking, there was a lord whatever, 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:50.600 so like that is a conversation that happened. Oh one 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:51.920 one of the girls there was a listener, but I 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:53.000 think sure left her flight. 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:53.680 What up canvas? 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:57.920 But anyway, so in this I go to me, it's 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:00.280 actually a red flag. I'm like, I would I don't 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:02.880 think I would ever entertain the idea of. 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:04.720 Being with a man who had no female friends. 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:06.720 And so I wrote that on this thing that was 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:08.600 like a clip from some show and this guy being 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:10.480 like you better. This woman's like I've had a guy 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:12.600 best friend for like decades, and he goes, well, you're 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:14.320 not gonna be able to see him unless I'm there, 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:16.880 Like that doesn't work for me. And people are in 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:18.920 the art, you know, comments back and forth, and I 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:20.200 just feel like, to me, it's a red flag. And 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:22.240 then of course a man's like, well, you're project, you know, 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:25.640 in like using complicated language for no reason, you know 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:28.840 about how like because I have male friends. Women who 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:30.560 have male friends are always trying to excuse it, but 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:32.840 it's and I go, no, no, no, it's not about me. 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:34.840 I just I think it's a red flag. 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:37.040 If a man doesn't like, if you do not see 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:39.680 women as people and can interact with women outside of 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:41.280 a romantic sexual. 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:43.160 Setting, that is scary to me. 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:45.520 That means women do not feel safe around you and 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:48.080 you do not respect women outside of fucking like to me, 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:49.000 that's gross that. 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:51.560 You only see women as romantic objects or not. 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:53.680 And most of the people that are arguing me and 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:56.760 someone's like, well, do your parents have friends of the 0:15:56.760 --> 0:16:00.080 opposite sex? I go, there's nothing I want less in 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:02.080 the world in a relationship like my parents, Like are 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:03.920 you out of your mind? Like why would I use them? 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:06.280 These fucking eighty year olds like my mom has friends. 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:07.960 She didn't have running water till she was forty five. 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:09.360 I don't know if I look at her for like 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:12.560 the foundations of how I'd like to live outside of 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:17.520 like maybe you know, generosity and hosting, but like it's yeah, 0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:19.240 and she goes, yeah, but tell me, And I'm like, 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:21.360 my mom has no friends, men or women. She's an 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:24.000 antisocial person. But it's like, why are you addicted to 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:26.160 what my friends are doing? Like, well, my parents are doing. 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:28.280 And then some young girl goes, I don't care. I 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:30.880 don't have male friends my husband. It's not sad, you're 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:33.720 I go, no, it is misogynistic, Like I think you're 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:36.520 all too stupid to see it. But it is a 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:38.400 hell I'm willing to die And maybe if I do, 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:40.240 subway takes like that could be so weird. 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:43.520 I think it's so weird to say there is not 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:46.040 a single person in the fifty percent of the world 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:49.960 that is the opposite gender from mine that I would 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:50.360 be And. 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:53.360 I wrote like gay people exist, and the girl goes, yeah, 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:55.560 And if I was a lesbian, my my wife would 0:16:55.560 --> 0:17:00.240 not have any female friends. And I'm like, lol, Elle, oh, 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:02.640 like you clearly don't know gay people, like you clearly 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:03.720 don't have gay people in your life. 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:06.320 You don't if that's what you're saying, you know what 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:06.640 I mean. 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:09.480 And then it's a lot of like dudes mostly, but 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:12.920 these girls are just arguing so hard, and I'm like, well, 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:15.320 you also don't see your humanity, like you're lost in 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:18.760 something too, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, but being a 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:21.119 guy's gal it never works out. It works out for 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:23.520 a while. You might make bank, you might make money, 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:26.040 but at the end of the day, these men will 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:27.879 never pick you when you put them on top of 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:31.000 like above women, and it's it's strange. 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:31.720 Yeah. 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:34.479 I also wrote in the comments, I'm like, I'm friends 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:39.040 with married couples where I hang out with both sexes. 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:41.240 Yeah, separately and together. 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:44.400 As somebody I call his horror wife, like he has 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:46.240 like a girl he only goes to the movies with 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:48.679 all the time, and they sit in the dark together 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:50.600 and they're not sexually attracted to each other. 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:54.280 I know, I just I feel sex I wrote, So 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:56.000 I go, yeah, I think it's sad, but you do 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:57.720 you girl, And she's like, it's not sad and you're 0:17:57.760 --> 0:17:59.080 not married, so it doesn't even matter. 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:02.560 I'm like, Okay, out Okay, yeah, you shouldn't really be speaking. 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:03.920 And I go and I don't think I would ever 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:06.600 be with someone that said you can't do this, Like 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:09.280 that's crazy. Yeah, Like I don't hang out with this 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:13.199 kind of person unless I'm there. She goes, if he 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:17.800 needs to laugh with a woman, I'm here. I'm like, okay, okay, ew, 0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:22.159 this is like so much hate. It is it is, 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:24.639 and of course I'm getting tat and it's like I 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:26.520 actually don't want to be a part of this anymore. 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:29.600 But it was just like to something I care about, 0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:30.880 to pass up a comment, I. 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:32.720 Guess, oh yeah, you got to dip a toe back 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:34.720 into that hate pool every once in a while. 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:38.040 I know it. 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On today's EPP. 0:20:31.520 --> 0:20:36.159 We're gonna be doing an episode called Child's Welfare, Season thirteen, 0:20:36.400 --> 0:20:40.960 episode sixteen from oh air date February twenty ninth, twenty twelve. 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:45.480 A Leapier, Leapier February Well leapier episode. Yeah that Juel 0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:49.480 Kimmooster is a leapier baby. Yeah, my most famous leapier 0:20:49.480 --> 0:20:53.919 baby that I know of. I'm sure there's others. Okay, 0:20:54.000 --> 0:20:56.960 Child's Welfare. Obviously this isn't gonna be good. So we 0:20:57.040 --> 0:21:02.359 hear children crying, also deep straight breathing basement vibes. There's 0:21:02.600 --> 0:21:06.080 rock walls like it's an ancient castle. It's pretty scary 0:21:06.560 --> 0:21:09.640 that we see like a garbage bag, a door, there's 0:21:09.640 --> 0:21:12.960 an outside lock. A child is screaming. It hurts. There's 0:21:12.960 --> 0:21:15.679 more screaming that we see. Someone is tied to a 0:21:15.720 --> 0:21:19.600 bed screaming and she and she's giving birth. 0:21:19.840 --> 0:21:21.240 So someone is giving birth. 0:21:21.280 --> 0:21:24.439 We don't really see her face, and she wants it 0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:26.639 to stop, but she has to keep pushing. And then 0:21:26.680 --> 0:21:28.480 we see there's a toilet just in the side of 0:21:28.520 --> 0:21:31.480 the room. So someone is being held in a room 0:21:31.560 --> 0:21:34.879 giving birth with a toilet in a like a cell rock. 0:21:35.440 --> 0:21:38.040 It's a nightmare. It's honestly what nightmares are made of. 0:21:38.080 --> 0:21:40.320 And it's what I am haunted by day in a. 0:21:40.400 --> 0:21:43.040 Day out, I would say, And not the first time 0:21:43.080 --> 0:21:45.800 we've honestly talked about this on the podcast. 0:21:46.600 --> 0:21:51.520 No No, but the fear is so huge. Yeah. 0:21:52.080 --> 0:21:55.679 Yeah, it's just because you know no one's. 0:21:55.440 --> 0:21:57.679 Looking for you. Yeah. 0:21:57.800 --> 0:22:01.719 So it cuts to so that it cuts to an 0:22:01.720 --> 0:22:05.920 amazing character actress, and in character actress fashion, we don't 0:22:05.920 --> 0:22:08.840 know her name, we don't know her, but she is 0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:11.320 the woman from Aaron Brockovich with two wrong feet and 0:22:11.440 --> 0:22:14.840 ugly shoes and she's in Seinfeld. She's the one that 0:22:14.880 --> 0:22:19.679 heckles Jerry Elaine's coworker, where she's like boo hiss, and 0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:23.960 then you know, Jerry goes to the office to heckle her. 0:22:24.520 --> 0:22:27.400 So she has red hair. We're obsessed with her. She's 0:22:27.520 --> 0:22:33.840 like so severe. This woman like, yeah, yeah, she's an 0:22:33.880 --> 0:22:37.120 amazing monologue where Julia Roberts gets to go and what 0:22:37.240 --> 0:22:38.480 number do you need? 0:22:39.760 --> 0:22:42.320 Do you need to know their diseases too? You know? 0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:44.520 So it's pretty incredible. So it's her. 0:22:44.680 --> 0:22:46.840 I think she's always played this kind of character, and 0:22:47.000 --> 0:22:49.639 she's back. Then we cut to Simon and his wife 0:22:49.800 --> 0:22:52.239 and obviously it's not gonna be good news because it's 0:22:52.280 --> 0:22:55.200 Simon's involved, and he has the Benson curse, you know 0:22:55.240 --> 0:22:57.200 what I mean, Like nothing can. 0:22:57.040 --> 0:22:58.680 Go right in your life. 0:22:58.880 --> 0:23:02.280 So the redhead, she's from Child Protective Services and she's 0:23:02.359 --> 0:23:05.520 talking to one of their kids and they're in the 0:23:05.560 --> 0:23:09.439 background watching and they're getting judged heavily, and it's just 0:23:09.560 --> 0:23:12.480 like the kid is super cute, and every time the 0:23:12.520 --> 0:23:15.280 parents talk, this woman gets mad, but like she's come 0:23:15.359 --> 0:23:17.359 in to be pissed, you know what I mean, Like 0:23:17.440 --> 0:23:20.240 it's really crazy. Kids have bruises. Like everything's fine. The 0:23:20.320 --> 0:23:22.800 younger baby starts crying. Again everything is normal, but she's 0:23:22.840 --> 0:23:25.560 being cold as hell and like starts to leave. Simon 0:23:25.600 --> 0:23:28.800 looks worried. And now we're back to the illegal birth 0:23:28.880 --> 0:23:29.760 and that woman's name. 0:23:29.720 --> 0:23:33.280 Is woman's name is von cox Van I've never heard 0:23:33.320 --> 0:23:34.840 that name before van. 0:23:35.400 --> 0:23:39.920 So now from via we cut to the illegal birth, 0:23:40.200 --> 0:23:42.119 and it's like, why don't we try focusing god cases 0:23:42.160 --> 0:23:44.640 like this, like who's this? Like who's getting locked up? 0:23:44.680 --> 0:23:47.240 Like why are you bothering fucking Simon and his wife. 0:23:47.680 --> 0:23:50.960 So the person delivering the baby goes, oh, it's a boy. No, 0:23:51.320 --> 0:23:53.280 and then we hear the mob plead like please don't 0:23:53.320 --> 0:23:55.359 take him, Please don't take him, and they take him. 0:23:55.760 --> 0:23:58.159 So she screams no, come back, and then they and 0:23:58.280 --> 0:24:01.760 now it cuts to Simon kids being taken away and 0:24:01.800 --> 0:24:04.960 they're pleading it's an emergency intervention, Like what the hell? 0:24:05.040 --> 0:24:08.160 Like this sucks? Like what emergency? Like this is the thing? 0:24:08.240 --> 0:24:10.600 Like what was so bad in that apartment that ripping 0:24:10.640 --> 0:24:14.040 the kids out of that house is safer and better 0:24:14.080 --> 0:24:18.160 for the children. It really is insane to me. There's 0:24:18.200 --> 0:24:20.800 gonna be a hearing. The sun is screaming as they 0:24:20.840 --> 0:24:24.080 carry him out. The mother is so upset, and she's 0:24:24.240 --> 0:24:27.000 really pretty as well. So they all look worried. And 0:24:27.200 --> 0:24:28.960 thank god he has a sister he can turn to 0:24:29.119 --> 0:24:32.200 am I. Right, So now we hear a baby crying 0:24:32.200 --> 0:24:34.400 and she's in a box. I mean, the boy it's 0:24:34.400 --> 0:24:36.840 obviously a boy. He said, no boys. So the boy 0:24:37.000 --> 0:24:40.000 baby is in a box on the church steps, amongst 0:24:40.359 --> 0:24:42.800 the homeless that are sleeping on the church steps. I mean, 0:24:42.960 --> 0:24:45.800 God forbid they open the door and let them inside. Right, 0:24:46.680 --> 0:24:50.120 So then they only wanted to keep the girl baby 0:24:50.320 --> 0:24:53.679 and probably like to raise for child trafficking stuff like 0:24:53.760 --> 0:24:56.200 I don't know, I don't know what's going on. So 0:24:56.359 --> 0:24:58.320 but we know the homeless people will help the baby. 0:24:58.359 --> 0:25:01.280 And now Tomorrow is at work. Look sexy as hell. 0:25:01.680 --> 0:25:03.439 He's in a white button down shirt. He looks like 0:25:03.440 --> 0:25:05.680 an uncle getting loose at a wedding. You know, it's 0:25:05.720 --> 0:25:09.960 not really work attire. It's like he's worriing evening wear 0:25:09.960 --> 0:25:13.000 in to the office. And so they amara's gonna go 0:25:13.040 --> 0:25:15.159 beat the baby at the hospital, and bet says like, 0:25:15.200 --> 0:25:17.800 I'm right behind you. But at this exact moment, Simon 0:25:17.880 --> 0:25:20.640 runs in, so she's like, Simon, this isn't a good time. 0:25:20.680 --> 0:25:23.160 He goes it's an emergency, and Rollin says, I'll cover 0:25:23.280 --> 0:25:26.400 for you. Benson doesn't seem like she wants to help, 0:25:26.440 --> 0:25:28.200 and she's like, okay, well five years and not a 0:25:28.240 --> 0:25:31.600 word and no call. So and she's obviously like triggered 0:25:31.600 --> 0:25:34.280 as hell because this is Seasont thirteen. So Stabler left 0:25:34.280 --> 0:25:36.320 without a phone call, without a trace, and now her 0:25:36.359 --> 0:25:39.399 brother has been ignoring her for five years. So he's like, 0:25:39.440 --> 0:25:41.600 the city has taken my kids, and she's like, you 0:25:41.640 --> 0:25:44.480 have kids, and he goes, yeah, Stepsud, who's a boy. 0:25:44.640 --> 0:25:47.679 The baby girl named after you, Olivia, it's your niece, 0:25:48.000 --> 0:25:51.400 and they just they just took them. He says, it's 0:25:51.400 --> 0:25:54.280 my fault, but please help me. She looks like hardship, right, 0:25:54.359 --> 0:25:56.320 Like she's like, what do you want? Like, obviously she's 0:25:56.320 --> 0:25:59.480 gonna help him, but she doesn't want to. So it 0:25:59.520 --> 0:26:01.680 goes to it's off of her gorgeous face. 0:26:02.400 --> 0:26:07.080 I completely forgot that he has a full child named 0:26:07.119 --> 0:26:09.359 Olivia who exists in the world. 0:26:09.440 --> 0:26:12.080 They have to like bring her back. Well at the 0:26:12.280 --> 0:26:13.440 you know Tracy too, Like. 0:26:13.640 --> 0:26:15.520 Well, right, but like at some point in this series, 0:26:15.560 --> 0:26:19.200 this is like Odia Benson's only living relative besides I mean, 0:26:19.240 --> 0:26:19.680 you know, no. 0:26:19.880 --> 0:26:23.640 But yeah, hopefully herd he sweets her. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:26:23.760 --> 0:26:25.800 I would love that. So we're in wood room blinds 0:26:25.920 --> 0:26:28.160 and he met Tracy two years ago. He was working 0:26:28.200 --> 0:26:30.560 at a clinic and she brought in tie for a checkup. 0:26:30.600 --> 0:26:33.680 They're getting married in Jude. Oh, I sped ahead, I said, 0:26:33.680 --> 0:26:37.080 his wife, but fiance. So there's a cute photo in 0:26:37.160 --> 0:26:39.280 his wallet of the whole family. And she's like, we'll 0:26:39.320 --> 0:26:41.120 be honest, what's the reason. And he's like, I did 0:26:41.119 --> 0:26:43.600 make a mistake. I rode through a stop side the 0:26:43.640 --> 0:26:46.679 cop had an attitude, made exit the car, searched me 0:26:46.760 --> 0:26:49.439 and I had a joy in my pocket, and you know, 0:26:49.480 --> 0:26:52.000 his wife and kids are in the car, and she's like, but. 0:26:51.960 --> 0:26:52.680 It's also like. 0:26:54.320 --> 0:26:57.720 For a joy, like why are everyone is pretending they 0:26:57.760 --> 0:26:59.840 care about the kids, And it's like, none of you, 0:27:00.160 --> 0:27:02.840 like you think it's cooler for these children to be 0:27:02.920 --> 0:27:07.000 scared with someone, you know, their parents being taken out whatever. Yeah, 0:27:07.040 --> 0:27:09.440 and then she acts like it's this crazy thing too, 0:27:09.640 --> 0:27:13.600 like oh really, and it's hard to watch now as 0:27:13.600 --> 0:27:18.560 it's fully legal. Yeah, And so he's like, listen, I 0:27:18.560 --> 0:27:20.560 had dental work, I lost its seat of weight and 0:27:20.840 --> 0:27:23.280 the smoking like helped boost my appetite. It'side a big 0:27:23.320 --> 0:27:27.280 deal and it's also still again one joint and ed 0:27:27.480 --> 0:27:29.639 he the cop said do you have anything on you 0:27:29.960 --> 0:27:32.320 made him take it out of his pocket and then 0:27:33.080 --> 0:27:37.520 got in trouble for public display, so it's really fucked up, 0:27:37.600 --> 0:27:39.960 and then they call child services for this. 0:27:39.960 --> 0:27:43.360 This whole thing too is like really kind of unbelievable 0:27:43.400 --> 0:27:47.480 to me because I just feel like it's to me, 0:27:47.560 --> 0:27:49.760 it's more likely, and I'm sure we have tons of 0:27:49.880 --> 0:27:52.600 listeners who like work with like the foster care system 0:27:52.680 --> 0:27:54.920 and CPS and stuff like that, but like, to me, 0:27:55.000 --> 0:27:58.160 it's more likely that they would sort of give custody 0:27:58.200 --> 0:28:00.480 to Tracy and say you can take the kids, like, 0:28:00.520 --> 0:28:01.640 but they have to be out of the house where 0:28:01.640 --> 0:28:03.480 they have to be away from him. If he's the 0:28:03.520 --> 0:28:05.080 one with the joint and he's the one that you 0:28:05.119 --> 0:28:08.120 think gave the bruise or whatever, then like, I don't 0:28:08.200 --> 0:28:10.840 really see what they set up that would be a 0:28:10.840 --> 0:28:15.080 problem with them staying with their mother. Oh, racism, yes, 0:28:15.640 --> 0:28:19.040 And also they would definitely try to make sure that 0:28:19.600 --> 0:28:21.399 he didn't have a family member they could go with 0:28:21.520 --> 0:28:23.720 before they just rip them into the arms of foster care. 0:28:23.760 --> 0:28:25.600 They would say, they would look and say, oh, he's 0:28:25.640 --> 0:28:29.119 related to a decorated detective of Law and Order Special Victims. 0:28:29.160 --> 0:28:30.760 You did, she would have gotten a call to probably 0:28:30.800 --> 0:28:34.600 take those kids, you know, like she probably has family 0:28:34.600 --> 0:28:36.679 that they could have gone to again racism. It's just 0:28:36.720 --> 0:28:40.600 like that this doesn't feel like it's being done correctly 0:28:41.080 --> 0:28:41.480 at all. 0:28:42.120 --> 0:28:44.400 No, And you know, we'll get into this and like 0:28:44.480 --> 0:28:48.200 the patterns and stuff, but yeah, it's just like how 0:28:48.200 --> 0:28:50.080 they pick and choose. And I think there's a reason 0:28:50.120 --> 0:28:54.120 they did like both of these cases in one episode 0:28:54.240 --> 0:28:56.880 to kind of show like the horrors that happened that 0:28:56.920 --> 0:28:59.280 fall through the cracks, so that this family being broken 0:28:59.320 --> 0:29:00.560 apart because of a joint. 0:29:00.840 --> 0:29:03.320 Yeah, and racism and a dash of racism. 0:29:03.440 --> 0:29:03.680 Yeah. 0:29:03.720 --> 0:29:06.640 And it's like you're taking someone out of a car 0:29:06.680 --> 0:29:09.760 for a rolling stop, side making them take the joint out, 0:29:09.800 --> 0:29:14.480 then then arresting them for public display. It's like it is, 0:29:14.680 --> 0:29:15.800 it's truly crazy. 0:29:15.920 --> 0:29:18.640 And he's like yeah, and the amount of taxpayer money 0:29:18.680 --> 0:29:22.400 that you're pouring into this also from the traffic stop 0:29:22.440 --> 0:29:26.960 to the like like him getting in trouble to her 0:29:27.200 --> 0:29:28.840 to taking the kids, This is like a lot of 0:29:28.880 --> 0:29:32.120 taxpayer money going towards a guy who has a joint. 0:29:32.400 --> 0:29:35.040 Yeah, it's just like it's part of it where it's 0:29:35.080 --> 0:29:37.920 like if you inherently think black people are bad, then 0:29:38.000 --> 0:29:41.840 that's that And like Simon is what you know, it's 0:29:41.840 --> 0:29:44.360 a mixed race couple. I don't know. It can't be me, 0:29:44.800 --> 0:29:47.959 it can't be me. So they call child services. They 0:29:48.000 --> 0:29:49.760 came to their house. He lives at a walk up 0:29:49.760 --> 0:29:52.080 in West Harlem, and then tie out a bruce from 0:29:52.080 --> 0:29:55.080 an accident, but they don't hurt their kids. And she's like, 0:29:55.200 --> 0:29:57.120 let me look at the removal order and he's like, 0:29:57.160 --> 0:29:57.920 can you do something? 0:29:58.080 --> 0:29:58.960 She says, she'll try. 0:29:59.320 --> 0:30:03.680 Craigan sees her in the office and am I delusion 0:30:03.760 --> 0:30:05.160 to like, I feel like we haven't done a Craigan 0:30:05.240 --> 0:30:08.240 episode in forever, Like I feel like I haven't seen Cragan. 0:30:08.600 --> 0:30:10.280 We haven't seen Fragan in a minute, because we've been 0:30:10.320 --> 0:30:11.880 doing some more recent episodes. 0:30:12.120 --> 0:30:14.120 And right away he's like, what does he want? 0:30:14.360 --> 0:30:16.360 And you know, last time he was here he almost 0:30:16.360 --> 0:30:19.680 cost to your shield and Met says to remind him that 0:30:19.720 --> 0:30:22.120 he was framed. He was framed for that crime that 0:30:22.200 --> 0:30:25.400 he did not commit. But again he goes and what 0:30:25.440 --> 0:30:28.000 does he want. She's like, Hey, it's the only family 0:30:28.080 --> 0:30:30.800 I have, and Craigan says, and believe me, he knows it. 0:30:31.680 --> 0:30:34.520 Watch your step and then Craigan walks off. So we're 0:30:34.560 --> 0:30:37.320 at Mercy Hospital. The baby has cared for no side 0:30:37.320 --> 0:30:40.120 of abuse, wrapped in a blanket, and like someone wanted 0:30:40.120 --> 0:30:43.280 the baby to be found, but like why not do 0:30:43.440 --> 0:30:45.560 like a safe haven drop off at a fire department, 0:30:45.600 --> 0:30:47.120 up on a borrow, guests is it's someone who does 0:30:47.160 --> 0:30:48.480 not want to be involved in the system. 0:30:48.520 --> 0:30:49.520 But anyway, and. 0:30:49.520 --> 0:30:52.280 Then a nurse brings the baby to him and rawlins 0:30:52.360 --> 0:30:54.360 and he was delivered within twenty four hours. 0:30:54.400 --> 0:30:55.760 The stuff wasn't even dry. 0:30:56.000 --> 0:30:58.320 I don't want to talk about it, but it was 0:30:58.400 --> 0:31:01.840 cut and whoever gave birth like did have help. So 0:31:01.840 --> 0:31:03.880 that Rollins is like I'm missing kids I'm used to 0:31:03.960 --> 0:31:06.440 but like just lost, like fucking left babies. 0:31:06.480 --> 0:31:07.040 This is a lot. 0:31:07.080 --> 0:31:09.480 And again it's season thirteen, so it's Rollin's and Tomorrow's 0:31:09.520 --> 0:31:12.080 first season, so they're getting used to the more hainous crimes. 0:31:12.720 --> 0:31:14.920 So they are gonna get the DNA and in the 0:31:14.960 --> 0:31:17.360 meantime they're going to canvass the neighborhood. So like maybe 0:31:17.400 --> 0:31:19.520 someone saw a pregnant woman who's no longer pregnant but 0:31:19.520 --> 0:31:21.840 doesn't have a baby. So then Fit and Munch talk 0:31:21.920 --> 0:31:24.120 to the guy from the church stairs and they're getting 0:31:24.280 --> 0:31:26.360 not really a lot. The only thing they say is 0:31:26.400 --> 0:31:29.239 there's a red van that drove by for days like 0:31:29.360 --> 0:31:32.120 circling and circling, and Benson's on the phone. It's ce 0:31:32.120 --> 0:31:34.880 met room, bars on her brother's case, and Craigan interrupts like, 0:31:34.920 --> 0:31:37.720 are you busy, bitch? And there's a team meeting and 0:31:37.800 --> 0:31:41.000 Munch is leading, so Munch brings up the van. But 0:31:41.080 --> 0:31:44.360 also as of now, familial search, no hits, no women 0:31:44.440 --> 0:31:47.080 have come, like looking for help in a hospital. And 0:31:47.160 --> 0:31:49.800 Benson is texting on her phone with her personal business, 0:31:50.080 --> 0:31:54.880 and Craigan goes, everyone's stay focused, emphasis on everyone, because 0:31:55.400 --> 0:31:56.920 this is gonna be a media circus. 0:31:57.000 --> 0:31:57.440 He says. 0:31:57.720 --> 0:32:00.760 Amorrow notices Bence has distracted and they kind of zoom 0:32:00.800 --> 0:32:01.160 in on. 0:32:01.080 --> 0:32:02.200 Each others faces. 0:32:02.600 --> 0:32:05.960 So then he's focused on her and she's focused somewhere else. 0:32:06.480 --> 0:32:10.280 And then bay aren't Ellis is here aka Andre Brarr 0:32:10.720 --> 0:32:14.840 and may he rest? And he did look into the 0:32:14.840 --> 0:32:17.200 case and he's like, it's really wild that they took 0:32:17.240 --> 0:32:19.360 the kid for one joint and Ellis is like, yeah, 0:32:19.400 --> 0:32:21.960 this has happened before, and in all other instances the 0:32:22.040 --> 0:32:24.760 parents were black or Hispanic, and so the Ben says like, 0:32:24.800 --> 0:32:26.800 well his fiance is black, and he goes, oh, well 0:32:26.800 --> 0:32:29.680 that makes sense now I was confused, and he's going 0:32:29.760 --> 0:32:31.680 to take the case since there is a clear pattern. 0:32:32.200 --> 0:32:35.160 She's quite relieved and he asks about him and she's like, well, 0:32:35.160 --> 0:32:37.720 we have the same father, and he nods and gets 0:32:37.760 --> 0:32:41.640 it immediately and says family secrets. So now Craig asks 0:32:41.680 --> 0:32:43.800 Fitt and Robin's if they found something, and Fit asks 0:32:43.840 --> 0:32:47.000 if he remembers Celia Barber, a thirteen year old girl 0:32:47.000 --> 0:32:50.760 who got kidnapped outside of Montclair, that's New Jersey about 0:32:50.800 --> 0:32:53.240 three years ago, and he says, yes, you know, she 0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:56.360 was never found, but her DNA is in the system 0:32:56.480 --> 0:32:59.959 and she is the mother. So Celia is a lot 0:33:00.360 --> 0:33:03.040 and is the mother of this baby. And then the 0:33:03.120 --> 0:33:05.560 report she was snatched by somewhat in a red van. 0:33:06.040 --> 0:33:09.000 So now we have like the holest church crew bringing 0:33:09.080 --> 0:33:11.480 up the red van and these old reports with the 0:33:11.520 --> 0:33:14.920 red van. So why red is such a wild color? 0:33:15.200 --> 0:33:18.720 But they could tell the parents my dad used to 0:33:18.800 --> 0:33:21.600 drive a red van. It looked like an absolutely straight out. 0:33:21.440 --> 0:33:21.880 Of s view. 0:33:22.360 --> 0:33:23.600 No red is fine. 0:33:23.680 --> 0:33:27.480 I'm just saying in terms of committing crimes, yeah, it's 0:33:27.480 --> 0:33:29.440 a little bit more attention getting. 0:33:29.320 --> 0:33:31.720 Yes, But I will say that like the van my 0:33:31.800 --> 0:33:34.040 dad used to drive more of a maroon. I would 0:33:34.080 --> 0:33:36.520 say it like, it's not like a flashy cherry red 0:33:36.640 --> 0:33:38.440 you know, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think he could have 0:33:38.480 --> 0:33:41.320 easily picked up a couple of random kids and you 0:33:41.360 --> 0:33:43.239 wouldn't have really even clocked it. 0:33:46.760 --> 0:33:49.480 So they could tell the parents like she's alive, so 0:33:49.560 --> 0:33:51.640 that's cool, but they do still have to find her, 0:33:52.040 --> 0:33:53.000 so it's pretty sad. 0:33:53.000 --> 0:33:53.680 They go to the mob. 0:33:53.760 --> 0:33:55.800 She's wearing a pearl necklace at ear eggs and she 0:33:55.840 --> 0:33:59.760 cannot believe this information, and she's, you know, the dad 0:33:59.840 --> 0:34:03.560 is her ex. She got remarried since and Oborro's that's 0:34:03.600 --> 0:34:05.840 so crazy, like your daughter got kidnapped three years ago, 0:34:05.920 --> 0:34:09.759 you got divorced, found a new partner, and already reburied, Like. 0:34:10.000 --> 0:34:12.320 How many years has she been gone? The girl? Three years? 0:34:12.400 --> 0:34:15.680 Three, that is, But I'll tell you in the real 0:34:15.719 --> 0:34:20.440 case something that's so oh oh, not all the way similar. 0:34:20.080 --> 0:34:21.640 But some interesting. 0:34:21.840 --> 0:34:23.800 I just like, I don't know, it's just so wild 0:34:23.880 --> 0:34:29.080 to like reburry so fast, but you know what do 0:34:29.160 --> 0:34:32.279 I know? So Obarro's like you'd never brought you never 0:34:32.320 --> 0:34:34.480 bought the story, and she's like it's just always felt off, 0:34:34.520 --> 0:34:36.320 like they're on a bike ride and all of a sudden, 0:34:36.480 --> 0:34:38.719 you know, a red van. She's like, and I'm not 0:34:38.760 --> 0:34:41.080 the only one who had doubts. The cops asked if 0:34:41.160 --> 0:34:43.239 Leo and her were ever too close, and she was 0:34:43.280 --> 0:34:45.799 always a daddy's girl. She's like, I thought maybe something 0:34:45.840 --> 0:34:47.719 happened and he tried to cover it up. And she's 0:34:47.760 --> 0:34:51.280 obviously upset by all this information. You know, she blamed 0:34:51.320 --> 0:34:53.239 Leo for something he didn't do. But it is good. 0:34:53.239 --> 0:34:55.640 She's alive, but like she is shade and giving birth 0:34:55.640 --> 0:34:58.359 in a basement, so like, what's gonna happen. So now 0:34:58.360 --> 0:35:00.239 we're with the dad and she got ahead of him 0:35:00.239 --> 0:35:02.000 on the bike and I do recognize this man and 0:35:02.040 --> 0:35:03.879 I yelled at him in a boxing class in La 0:35:04.040 --> 0:35:05.840 He was like annoying me. I don't remember for what, 0:35:06.560 --> 0:35:08.680 and I kind of like gave him attitude and then 0:35:08.719 --> 0:35:09.640 he was like, my bad. 0:35:09.760 --> 0:35:11.839 I think I totally like shut up or something. But 0:35:12.120 --> 0:35:13.520 I did fight him. 0:35:13.880 --> 0:35:16.000 So he peddled as hard as he could to catch up, 0:35:16.040 --> 0:35:19.360 but couldn't. And he's been praying for this day. He's like, 0:35:19.400 --> 0:35:22.359 nobody would believe me. And he's with like Ben sit 0:35:22.440 --> 0:35:24.799 at the office and he has nightmares about chasing this van. 0:35:25.160 --> 0:35:27.840 He lost his marriage, his savings, everything. He spent all 0:35:27.880 --> 0:35:30.239 this money out of PI trying to find her. Fit 0:35:30.360 --> 0:35:32.239 asked if there were any leads with the PI, and 0:35:32.280 --> 0:35:34.560 he has a giant binder filled with all this information. 0:35:35.080 --> 0:35:37.520 Two years ago, a clerk at a thrift shop recognized 0:35:37.560 --> 0:35:38.320 Celia's photo. 0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:39.160 He said. 0:35:39.160 --> 0:35:41.239 The girl started crying and asked the clerk to call 0:35:41.280 --> 0:35:44.319 her father, and the older woman pulled her away and 0:35:44.360 --> 0:35:47.400 said that girl, like, you know, you're acting out. So 0:35:47.600 --> 0:35:50.880 and they were shopping for baby clothes and she was pregnant, 0:35:51.160 --> 0:35:54.080 but that was two years ago, and he, you know, 0:35:54.320 --> 0:35:57.200 he talked to her himself. He says, so she might 0:35:57.280 --> 0:36:00.399 have two kids by now, because obviously that's too years ago. 0:36:00.440 --> 0:36:02.359 And they were shopping for baby clothes and she just 0:36:02.400 --> 0:36:03.600 gave birth like days ago. 0:36:04.160 --> 0:36:05.400 So this is diabolical. 0:36:05.800 --> 0:36:08.040 So they're gonna go find the clerk, but Benson is 0:36:08.080 --> 0:36:10.839 asking him to cover for her, and he's like, yeah, duh, 0:36:10.840 --> 0:36:13.480 I'm thin, I'll do whatever. So then Ellis is on 0:36:14.040 --> 0:36:17.760 the so okay so Bugsy Kane Kevin Kane aka Bruno 0:36:18.200 --> 0:36:20.759 in one of his five other parts on SVUS on 0:36:20.800 --> 0:36:24.280 the Stand, and he's the arresting officer who arrested Simon, 0:36:24.719 --> 0:36:28.440 and Ellis is like, obviously you're lying, bro, Like you're 0:36:28.480 --> 0:36:30.400 telling me he like just took a joint out of 0:36:30.440 --> 0:36:32.480 his pocket in front of a cop and started. 0:36:32.360 --> 0:36:33.000 You know, doing it. 0:36:33.040 --> 0:36:34.880 And he goes, why I smelled pot? And he's like, 0:36:34.960 --> 0:36:37.719 you smelled pot on a nod liit joint? Like I 0:36:37.920 --> 0:36:42.560 fucking doubt it, bro, and the whatever. Kevin Kane's a 0:36:42.600 --> 0:36:45.040 great actor. He's so young, he's so evil, he's so smug. 0:36:45.480 --> 0:36:47.520 And basically, how many traffic stops have you made in 0:36:47.520 --> 0:36:49.800 the last six months? He says sixty to seventy. Ellis 0:36:49.840 --> 0:36:52.800 has seventy eight. And how many did you make an arrest? 0:36:52.960 --> 0:36:55.719 And that's twenty two and all except for three year 0:36:55.760 --> 0:36:56.960 above ninety sixth Street. 0:36:57.239 --> 0:36:59.000 And he's like, well, I don't really have an opinion 0:36:59.040 --> 0:36:59.400 about that. 0:36:59.480 --> 0:37:03.120 Ellis is like, well you're under oath actually, and he's like, listen, 0:37:03.200 --> 0:37:06.120 something seemed off and that's that. And it's like did 0:37:06.160 --> 0:37:08.360 something seem off because it was a mixed race family. 0:37:08.520 --> 0:37:12.799 So now both lawyers approach the bench and Kevin Kaye's 0:37:12.840 --> 0:37:16.640 lawyer and Ellis are but basically she's like, we're down 0:37:16.680 --> 0:37:19.480 to bring it down to disorderly, and Ellis goes, no, 0:37:19.680 --> 0:37:22.800 it's a bad search, pure and simple. The judge agree 0:37:22.840 --> 0:37:26.279 is huge, motion is suppressed, case dismissed. Everyone feels like 0:37:26.320 --> 0:37:28.560 they can breathe again. So, now, like, when are they 0:37:28.560 --> 0:37:30.200 going to get their kids back? And they're walking down 0:37:30.200 --> 0:37:32.799 the courtroom stairs and he's like, listen, like the main 0:37:32.880 --> 0:37:35.880 reason they were taken out is no longer valid, so 0:37:36.000 --> 0:37:36.960 you'll get your kids. 0:37:37.000 --> 0:37:38.879 But we obviously know it can't be this easy. 0:37:39.040 --> 0:37:41.319 Or like eight minutes in, so Simon is like, you 0:37:41.360 --> 0:37:44.040 want to meet your niece and they go to the 0:37:44.040 --> 0:37:46.960 center and she's holding maybe Olivia. It's all so cute, 0:37:46.960 --> 0:37:50.000 and she's talking to Tyler too, and they really are 0:37:50.080 --> 0:37:52.840 super cute kids. And then Simon says, this is your family. 0:37:53.280 --> 0:37:54.960 And then when the kids come home, we should set 0:37:55.000 --> 0:37:57.040 up a regular Sunday dinner. And Ben said, is so 0:37:57.200 --> 0:37:59.840 touched by this idea. So now we're back with the team. 0:38:00.160 --> 0:38:03.680 Basin is fully focused on the case now. But now 0:38:03.719 --> 0:38:06.759 bet everything's taken care of LOLJK. So this is a 0:38:06.800 --> 0:38:09.160 lot of New Jersey talk, and like, I was scared 0:38:09.160 --> 0:38:11.279 there's gonna be state line issues and stuff like that. 0:38:11.600 --> 0:38:15.000 But they found another case similar that happened outside of 0:38:15.040 --> 0:38:17.560 Newark Hospital, so they're opt to figure out if that 0:38:17.680 --> 0:38:20.680 baby and this baby and all these babies are connected. 0:38:21.080 --> 0:38:23.239 So now we're in a family court and Ellis is 0:38:23.280 --> 0:38:25.160 doing his thing and the judge is like, sorry, he 0:38:25.160 --> 0:38:27.719 had weed and that's legal, so fuck him. And then 0:38:27.920 --> 0:38:31.720 this Aaron Brockovich bitch springs up fast because there's other issues. 0:38:32.000 --> 0:38:34.719 The house was disorganized, and it's like who gives a shit? 0:38:35.239 --> 0:38:37.560 And again the bruise, and it's like kids get bruises. 0:38:37.600 --> 0:38:39.640 I have bruises right now, No one beat me up. 0:38:39.719 --> 0:38:40.040 Okay. 0:38:40.440 --> 0:38:43.280 I mean I've talked about this in my COSSA training 0:38:43.520 --> 0:38:46.960 that like those are biases that you're supposed to look past, 0:38:47.120 --> 0:38:49.799 like like sure, maybe you would have a rug on 0:38:49.840 --> 0:38:52.560 the living room floor and you're like the floor is bare. 0:38:52.840 --> 0:38:55.040 That doesn't mean the kids are unsafe, do you know 0:38:55.080 --> 0:38:56.359 what I mean? You have to like get past your 0:38:56.400 --> 0:38:59.920 biases that are like that tell you the toys were everywhere? 0:39:00.040 --> 0:39:01.440 Okay, the toys were everywhere in a lot of. 0:39:01.480 --> 0:39:03.640 Rich people's houses, you know what I mean, Like it 0:39:03.880 --> 0:39:07.399 just like you have to just the home being disorganized 0:39:07.480 --> 0:39:10.000 is like truly, I don't think a reason ever to 0:39:10.040 --> 0:39:13.759 take children, rip them out of their homes and traumatize them. 0:39:14.200 --> 0:39:17.319 Agree, And we're trained for that to know that. So 0:39:18.040 --> 0:39:18.359 and the. 0:39:18.400 --> 0:39:20.800 Judge brings up like this rape case and Elis is 0:39:20.840 --> 0:39:24.040 like they were false charges by a disgraced cop, Like 0:39:24.080 --> 0:39:28.360 what are we even doing here? And the judge is like, yeah, yeah, 0:39:28.480 --> 0:39:30.440 even though none of this is real and it's just 0:39:30.520 --> 0:39:32.880 one joy and I think it's better that these children 0:39:32.920 --> 0:39:36.279 stay in foster care where there's smoke, there's fire, and 0:39:36.360 --> 0:39:38.600 that's that we have to protect these kids. And like, 0:39:39.640 --> 0:39:43.040 I can't believe it. I really can't believe it. So 0:39:43.120 --> 0:39:46.120 she goes, when we hagnore neglected abuse, it's led to 0:39:46.160 --> 0:39:48.680 tragic results, but this isn't it, And that Ellis states 0:39:48.719 --> 0:39:50.439 the obvious, which is like this is not the best 0:39:50.440 --> 0:39:53.200 case of the children. And they both have loving parents, 0:39:53.239 --> 0:39:55.160 like what's going on? And he's like if it was 0:39:55.200 --> 0:39:57.240 two white parents, I'm sure you wouldn't have an issue, 0:39:57.600 --> 0:40:01.319 and he calls what's happening unconsciousable, and the judge tells 0:40:01.360 --> 0:40:05.640 him enough, so now he has to do drug rehab 0:40:05.800 --> 0:40:08.080 and in six months they'll review the case and the 0:40:08.160 --> 0:40:13.080 kids will be left in foster care like I can't, 0:40:13.600 --> 0:40:16.799 I really can't, And so everyone is shocked. And now 0:40:16.800 --> 0:40:19.239 they're on the streets and Simon is screaming like they 0:40:19.320 --> 0:40:22.000 dropped the pot charge. How could they even do this? 0:40:22.440 --> 0:40:24.640 And Olivia says, we're gonna fight this, and he goes 0:40:24.640 --> 0:40:26.759 stop trying to convince me to trust the system and 0:40:26.800 --> 0:40:29.960 the process, like obviously I don't trust any of you motherfuckers. 0:40:30.440 --> 0:40:31.200 They storm off. 0:40:31.239 --> 0:40:34.040 Allison Benson are watching them walk away, and so now 0:40:34.080 --> 0:40:37.440 back to like the other case, Omaro and Rollins come 0:40:37.480 --> 0:40:40.120 in and this other baby's DNA does not match Celia, 0:40:40.440 --> 0:40:44.239 but both boys have the same father, So what are 0:40:44.239 --> 0:40:47.200 we looking at This father's been at this for fucking years. 0:40:47.520 --> 0:40:51.360 Four days ago we have baby baby John Doe abandoned 0:40:51.360 --> 0:40:53.680 our West thirty third Street. And then three years ago 0:40:53.719 --> 0:40:57.760 we have baby John Doe. Number two was found in Newark, 0:40:57.960 --> 0:41:00.840 both well cared for, left near hospital, so Ben's but 0:41:00.880 --> 0:41:02.960 then Benson gets a text. The rest of the team 0:41:03.040 --> 0:41:06.960 keeps chatting about the baby docases and it's like state 0:41:07.000 --> 0:41:09.760 by state, the hospitals are closed, the vans, the labs, 0:41:09.800 --> 0:41:12.279 like there's so many different things going on, like how 0:41:12.320 --> 0:41:13.560 are they going to get to the bottom of it. 0:41:13.880 --> 0:41:16.000 So obviously they have to go to Newark and Amaro 0:41:16.160 --> 0:41:19.200 and Rollins head on down. So the nurse is doing 0:41:19.200 --> 0:41:21.239 a walk and talk and there's a copy. Oh we're 0:41:21.280 --> 0:41:23.440 at a CPS style office. That's what I figure out. 0:41:23.480 --> 0:41:27.000 And they call this baby a miracle baby. They're like, 0:41:27.040 --> 0:41:30.239 the baby was healthy, there was even ointment on the arm, 0:41:30.400 --> 0:41:33.160 and nobody ever claimed the baby. And she's like, I did, 0:41:33.400 --> 0:41:35.480 but I did get a strange call from the Foster 0:41:35.560 --> 0:41:38.840 family last summer and they wanted to know about the 0:41:38.840 --> 0:41:43.080 statue of limitations of when bioparents can reclaim their children. 0:41:43.760 --> 0:41:44.759 Huh okay. 0:41:44.880 --> 0:41:48.840 So now Bensid goes to apologize to Alice. Alice is like, 0:41:48.880 --> 0:41:51.440 don't worry. Everything that's happening is fucked up. It's an 0:41:51.440 --> 0:41:54.240 abuse of power, like it's fine that Simon's piston screaming, 0:41:54.360 --> 0:41:56.600 like it's fine. Ben say's like, well, what can we do? 0:41:56.680 --> 0:41:59.160 And he says, well, I've been reviewing the judges cases 0:41:59.480 --> 0:42:03.320 and whatever. There's minority parents, she's upheld removal but ruled 0:42:03.320 --> 0:42:06.000 the other way whenever it's two white parents, and he's 0:42:06.040 --> 0:42:08.600 trying to set up a ruling. Ben said, asks the 0:42:08.719 --> 0:42:11.920 Siwich yeah, I. 0:42:11.840 --> 0:42:13.680 Don't even think I caught that. I didn't know the 0:42:13.760 --> 0:42:16.279 judge was fucked up too, Like what is the luck 0:42:16.360 --> 0:42:18.920 to get the bad cop and the bad judge? I mean, 0:42:18.960 --> 0:42:20.680 like I knew the judge was fucked up, but like 0:42:20.719 --> 0:42:22.000 I didn't know it was like a history. 0:42:23.120 --> 0:42:26.120 I didn't I miss that part. Yeah. 0:42:26.239 --> 0:42:29.240 So then but Benson is like, well for the hearing, 0:42:29.280 --> 0:42:31.040 should Simon be there? And he's like, well, only if 0:42:31.080 --> 0:42:34.200 he could stay chill. He can't be blowing up in court. 0:42:34.880 --> 0:42:37.239 So now we cut to the home of Will and 0:42:37.320 --> 0:42:40.799 Jenna Fleming and there's a little blonde boy playing and 0:42:40.880 --> 0:42:42.719 the parents are pissed. They're like, why the fuck is 0:42:42.760 --> 0:42:45.759 the NYPDR at our house? We haven't done anything wrong. 0:42:45.760 --> 0:42:47.160 And they're like, hey, I know we're here in a 0:42:47.160 --> 0:42:51.120 different case because you asked about like Dylan's biological parents, 0:42:51.160 --> 0:42:54.200 and they're rights like correct, and he goes why and 0:42:54.280 --> 0:42:57.880 so basically, something happened in July. The dad tells Tomorrow 0:42:57.960 --> 0:43:01.279 and rowins they were in the city house sitting for 0:43:01.960 --> 0:43:04.719 you know, the mom's parents, and a homeless young girl 0:43:04.760 --> 0:43:07.000 came up to them in Central Park and asked how 0:43:07.080 --> 0:43:09.920 Dylan was and then said it was her baby and 0:43:10.000 --> 0:43:12.080 that he had been taken, and. 0:43:12.239 --> 0:43:14.400 When they adopted the baby, the Times read. 0:43:14.239 --> 0:43:16.800 An article about them, and the photo of them was 0:43:16.840 --> 0:43:19.640 in Central Park. So like, this girl I think has 0:43:19.680 --> 0:43:22.640 just been walking around Central Park for years waiting for 0:43:22.760 --> 0:43:26.800 this opportunity to like find her baby. And the dad goes, whatever, 0:43:26.880 --> 0:43:29.879 she's just a crazy girl who forfeited her rights when 0:43:29.960 --> 0:43:32.640 she left him in a box. And they're like, well, 0:43:32.680 --> 0:43:34.960 you felt it was serious enough to inquire about it, 0:43:35.000 --> 0:43:38.719 so like, maybe not that crazy, and it's she has 0:43:38.800 --> 0:43:41.439 been looking and I guess she like sniffed his hat 0:43:41.520 --> 0:43:43.200 and that's when she was like, I know for sure 0:43:43.200 --> 0:43:45.720 it's my baby. And so then Will took a photo 0:43:45.800 --> 0:43:47.719 on his cell phone of the woman just in case 0:43:47.760 --> 0:43:50.840 in a file a restraining order. So also it's like 0:43:50.880 --> 0:43:53.360 if you see an almost young girl who's like, I 0:43:54.200 --> 0:43:57.120 guess our education and knowledge about all these matters is 0:43:57.120 --> 0:43:59.840 deeper than the regular person. But it's like to just 0:43:59.880 --> 0:44:02.160 be well, a stupid bitch forfeited her rights and not 0:44:02.280 --> 0:44:03.800 like is this an abuse victim? 0:44:03.840 --> 0:44:04.439 You know what I mean? 0:44:04.600 --> 0:44:07.359 Like right, and I know it's like you're protecting your 0:44:07.360 --> 0:44:10.880 own kid, obviously, that's your number one priority. In this moment, 0:44:11.080 --> 0:44:15.360 but just the leaps people do to villainize people that 0:44:15.400 --> 0:44:17.080 are clearly struggling, you. 0:44:17.000 --> 0:44:17.520 Know what I mean. 0:44:17.719 --> 0:44:21.239 Yeah, but I guess if someone approached you, well you 0:44:21.280 --> 0:44:25.320 gave birth, yeah, because like if someone approached. 0:44:24.920 --> 0:44:26.560 You and said that's my kid, you'd be like, I 0:44:26.600 --> 0:44:27.759 feel like you're probably not. 0:44:28.880 --> 0:44:30.799 So now we have the photo of the girl, and 0:44:30.960 --> 0:44:33.920 Rawlin's and Munch are out and about and they're talking 0:44:34.000 --> 0:44:37.560 to a woman like doing a food bank line outside 0:44:37.600 --> 0:44:39.839 and she goes, that's Laurie. They call her Crackers because 0:44:39.880 --> 0:44:42.759 she always wants stupid crackers, but also obviously because they 0:44:42.760 --> 0:44:46.719 think she's crazy. So and then they're like, she might 0:44:46.800 --> 0:44:49.480 be bipolar. We're not sure, but late teens and a 0:44:49.520 --> 0:44:52.920 lot of mileage, like something definitely happened to her. So 0:44:53.000 --> 0:44:55.520 this food bank woman knows what's up. And she had 0:44:55.520 --> 0:44:58.040 a story that she was kidnapped and held in a dungeon. 0:44:58.120 --> 0:45:00.399 But she's like, lots of people have a story here, 0:45:00.560 --> 0:45:03.799 you know. And the last summer she told this woman 0:45:03.840 --> 0:45:05.600 that she found her baby and she's going to be 0:45:05.680 --> 0:45:08.839 a real bob And they're like, well where is she now? 0:45:08.880 --> 0:45:11.520 The lady doesn't know, but Munch suggests looking for her 0:45:11.520 --> 0:45:14.880 at women shelters. Cuts to Benson meets up with Amorrow 0:45:15.120 --> 0:45:17.040 and he fills her in that Rollins and Munch found 0:45:17.120 --> 0:45:19.920 the girl, and then Simon comes up and interrupts, and 0:45:19.920 --> 0:45:22.160 she's like, this is not a great time. I am working, 0:45:22.200 --> 0:45:23.840 and he's like, I don't know what to do. We 0:45:23.960 --> 0:45:26.360 visited them at the foster home. They're crying and they're hungry. 0:45:26.400 --> 0:45:28.600 They don't like the food there, and someone said that 0:45:28.600 --> 0:45:30.800 they might even put them up for adoption, and she goes, no, 0:45:30.920 --> 0:45:32.160 Ellis will not let that happen. 0:45:32.239 --> 0:45:33.480 He's filing for a hearing. 0:45:33.520 --> 0:45:37.200 We're on it and Simon screams when and she's like, 0:45:37.239 --> 0:45:38.879 can you give him time to do his job? 0:45:39.000 --> 0:45:39.520 Like please? 0:45:39.600 --> 0:45:41.840 He is a probe and she sends him off to 0:45:41.880 --> 0:45:44.760 go home and be with Tracy and wait. But obviously 0:45:44.840 --> 0:45:46.960 he's stressed it or stand that, but it's just like 0:45:48.239 --> 0:45:50.920 it's all really a mess. Like I understand his frustration 0:45:51.080 --> 0:45:53.120 and fears, but it's like, you do have to be patient, 0:45:53.160 --> 0:45:55.439 but I'm not a patient person when I'm stressed out 0:45:55.520 --> 0:45:57.960 and like things like this happened, So you know, I 0:45:58.520 --> 0:45:58.879 get it. 0:45:58.920 --> 0:46:02.680 I get where he's coming from. But it's like bro relax. 0:46:03.600 --> 0:46:06.040 And so then they're at now we cut and we're 0:46:06.040 --> 0:46:09.120 at the shelter where Laurie is and her parents never 0:46:09.160 --> 0:46:11.879 reported her missing even though she always and it's because 0:46:11.920 --> 0:46:15.279 she was always running away. She said, she constantly was 0:46:15.320 --> 0:46:18.640 running away. She never felt settled. And they're like, but 0:46:18.680 --> 0:46:21.640 why didn't your parents report you missing? She goes, why 0:46:21.640 --> 0:46:25.239 I always came back except for this last time. And 0:46:25.680 --> 0:46:27.919 they took me and they kept me lopped up, and 0:46:28.280 --> 0:46:30.799 Bensay goes like who who? And it was a man 0:46:30.840 --> 0:46:33.000 and his wife and they made her call them Bobby 0:46:33.080 --> 0:46:35.400 and Daddy, and they found her in pen station. She 0:46:35.480 --> 0:46:37.680 was asking for money for a trade ticket back home. 0:46:38.040 --> 0:46:40.080 Like this makes me like, anyone that asks me money 0:46:40.080 --> 0:46:41.319 for a trade ticket, I'm gonna do it. 0:46:41.680 --> 0:46:43.880 I'm doing it. I'm doing it. 0:46:43.920 --> 0:46:46.360 You heard it here now, like anyone that asked me 0:46:46.640 --> 0:46:48.480 for a ticket, I will buy them a ticket. Yeah, 0:46:48.680 --> 0:46:51.640 because this is this is gonna haunt me. So they're like, oh, 0:46:51.640 --> 0:46:53.840 we'll just give you a ride. And since it was 0:46:53.880 --> 0:46:56.239 a couple, she felt okay. And obviously this reminds me 0:46:56.320 --> 0:46:58.560 of the Colleen standcase the Girl in the Box, which 0:46:58.600 --> 0:47:01.440 is hot to be for since we started this podcast, 0:47:02.800 --> 0:47:06.680 and I think about Colleen NonStop. But Benson asks what 0:47:06.719 --> 0:47:11.040 they looked like, and it is crazy the cases we 0:47:11.160 --> 0:47:14.879 did for our first like ted, like we really went 0:47:15.000 --> 0:47:18.720 hardcore all the way. Yeah to the paint, Yeah, because 0:47:18.719 --> 0:47:20.880 we did like the full Burned episode, like we just 0:47:22.360 --> 0:47:23.000 full it. 0:47:23.680 --> 0:47:25.120 Are those horrific. 0:47:24.719 --> 0:47:26.840 Episodes and it's so cool we got to talk to 0:47:26.840 --> 0:47:27.800 the writer of that episode. 0:47:27.840 --> 0:47:28.120 Whatever. 0:47:28.200 --> 0:47:29.400 We have such a fun podcast. 0:47:29.719 --> 0:47:34.000 I don't know if funds the word informative, informative, informative, cool. 0:47:34.320 --> 0:47:36.520 Passion, last speak for yourself. 0:47:37.040 --> 0:47:39.439 So yeah, anyone that needs a trade ticket, I will 0:47:39.480 --> 0:47:41.560 be buying it for you. And she does look super 0:47:41.560 --> 0:47:46.080 dirty and like small blonde girl, and she looks very tired, 0:47:46.160 --> 0:47:48.360 like life has really fucked her up. And she explains 0:47:48.400 --> 0:47:51.040 that this man was big and sweaty and not a 0:47:51.040 --> 0:47:53.600 lot of hair and that the woman was shorter with long, 0:47:53.680 --> 0:47:55.759 dark hair, and they drugged her and she just woke 0:47:55.840 --> 0:47:57.680 up and she was in a room and she could 0:47:57.680 --> 0:48:00.960 hear a boiler and once her or twice they let 0:48:01.000 --> 0:48:03.839 her out, but they did go far. And Tomorrow asks 0:48:03.880 --> 0:48:06.120 if she remembers anything, and she's like, yes, there was 0:48:06.120 --> 0:48:08.719 like a tall silver building with tons of triangles a 0:48:08.719 --> 0:48:11.400 few blocks away, so they guess it's the Hearst Building 0:48:11.440 --> 0:48:14.680 on fifty seventh in Manhattan. I'm like, now you find 0:48:14.680 --> 0:48:16.400 the room for a cellar in Manhattan. 0:48:16.520 --> 0:48:19.160 The audacity to be like kidnapping people and holding them 0:48:19.160 --> 0:48:22.399 long enough to like impregnate them and have them give 0:48:22.440 --> 0:48:24.880 birth in Manhattan, I don't under I mean. 0:48:24.760 --> 0:48:27.000 I guess there are a basements, but. 0:48:26.440 --> 0:48:28.520 But yeah, he would give her lemonade and vodka and 0:48:28.840 --> 0:48:30.520 then he would get on top of her and bedsit 0:48:30.640 --> 0:48:32.719 is listening, and it's so upsetting. They kept her for 0:48:32.760 --> 0:48:34.880 over a year and she had the baby and the 0:48:34.920 --> 0:48:37.160 guy said no boys in this house, and then they 0:48:37.160 --> 0:48:38.960 took the baby and that was it, and she couldn't 0:48:38.960 --> 0:48:41.040 stop crying. So they put her in the van and 0:48:41.080 --> 0:48:44.120 dubbed her by Yankee Stadium and then Craigan walks it 0:48:44.160 --> 0:48:47.560 to the shelter. So Benson excuses herself and it's like, uh, oh, captain, 0:48:47.600 --> 0:48:49.160 what's going on? And he's like, when's the last time 0:48:49.200 --> 0:48:51.439 he talks to Simon. She says it an hour ago, 0:48:51.600 --> 0:48:53.640 and then he asks if she knows where he is, 0:48:53.680 --> 0:48:56.239 and she says she has no idea. So he has 0:48:56.320 --> 0:48:59.720 been calling her, but she hasn't answered. What's going on. Well, 0:49:00.080 --> 0:49:03.120 fortunately Simon and his fiance kidnap the children for foster care. 0:49:03.200 --> 0:49:05.120 There's an Amber alert out for him, Like, are you 0:49:05.200 --> 0:49:08.080 out of your fucking mind, Simon, Like, we're rooting for you, 0:49:08.120 --> 0:49:10.200 We're fucking rooting for you. We're on our side. You've 0:49:10.200 --> 0:49:13.439 been fucked over the system. You have a fucking lieutenant 0:49:13.480 --> 0:49:16.680 on your side. You have, you know, bayern al Alice 0:49:16.800 --> 0:49:19.280 on your side. I like that they made his character 0:49:19.360 --> 0:49:21.720 name as hard to say as his as his real 0:49:21.800 --> 0:49:24.800 actor name, you know what I mean, Like Broad brought 0:49:24.800 --> 0:49:27.760 her so hard for me to say, and but Bayard 0:49:27.840 --> 0:49:29.000 Ellis is so hard for me. 0:49:29.560 --> 0:49:31.160 They're both really difficult. 0:49:31.239 --> 0:49:33.279 And now that I'm like stuffed up and sick, like 0:49:33.320 --> 0:49:35.520 I mean, it's it's just like been hard for me. 0:49:35.680 --> 0:49:38.640 But like this fucking guy, like if you remember when 0:49:38.680 --> 0:49:40.320 he was going through his whole case where he was 0:49:40.320 --> 0:49:42.520 getting like framed for the rape back in Jersey or whatever, 0:49:42.680 --> 0:49:45.680 he jumped bail and Olivia got in trouble for like no, 0:49:45.800 --> 0:49:48.000 and so now it's like he's stealing his kids. It's 0:49:48.040 --> 0:49:50.080 like you want to feel bad for this guy. But 0:49:50.080 --> 0:49:52.480 he's just keeping making all these boneheaded decisions. 0:49:53.040 --> 0:49:56.600 Yeah yeah, and so that he of course, Craigan of 0:49:56.640 --> 0:49:59.000 course goes, I use your photo. You don't have a choice. 0:49:59.040 --> 0:50:01.439 So she's stunned. It's like, what the fuck? Why would 0:50:01.480 --> 0:50:04.680 he do this? So obviously they've been found. Immediately they're 0:50:04.719 --> 0:50:07.799 being arrested, the kids are being taken. A uniform cop 0:50:07.960 --> 0:50:10.200 slams Simon on the hood of the car, and Benson 0:50:10.280 --> 0:50:12.880 runs up like, hey, hey, he's not resisting, and the 0:50:12.920 --> 0:50:14.560 guy goes, who the hell are you, and it's like, 0:50:14.600 --> 0:50:17.880 you're Superior's buddy. Shut the fuck up. So then Craigan 0:50:17.880 --> 0:50:20.080 begs to take custody of them. He's like, fine, but 0:50:20.200 --> 0:50:23.120 just follow us to booking. So the Benson enters the 0:50:23.120 --> 0:50:25.480 cage with him and Simon. At least he makes a 0:50:25.480 --> 0:50:29.239 little joke and goes, god, I love Belodi sandwiches. And 0:50:29.360 --> 0:50:31.919 she asked what was he thinking and he says, well, 0:50:31.920 --> 0:50:35.919 obviously I wasn't. And then Tracy had family at South 0:50:35.960 --> 0:50:38.359 Carolina and like, I just thought I would go there, 0:50:38.400 --> 0:50:39.760 and it's like, you're a fucking idiot. 0:50:40.080 --> 0:50:41.040 He goes, I messed up. 0:50:41.080 --> 0:50:43.560 I'm sorry, and she's like, well, yeah you did, and 0:50:43.680 --> 0:50:45.759 he just wanted to be a good father. She knows that, 0:50:46.000 --> 0:50:48.560 and then he says, what is weird, as my father 0:50:48.760 --> 0:50:50.680 was a better dad to me that I've been to 0:50:50.760 --> 0:50:53.600 my own kids. She gives him a death stare and 0:50:53.600 --> 0:50:57.800 he's like oops, and it's like, yeah, your dad's a rapist, 0:50:58.320 --> 0:51:00.200 So if you're done with him, and he goes, if 0:51:00.200 --> 0:51:03.400 you're done with me, I completely understand, and Mezico's just stop, Simon, 0:51:03.560 --> 0:51:04.200 just stop. 0:51:04.680 --> 0:51:05.839 And she sighs and. 0:51:05.760 --> 0:51:07.600 She's like, I'm going to talk to Ellis, but the 0:51:07.640 --> 0:51:10.440 bail's gonna be hard, and he does understand that, and 0:51:10.520 --> 0:51:11.440 she looks very pretty. 0:51:11.480 --> 0:51:11.960 I love her. 0:51:12.080 --> 0:51:14.880 So he says I'm sorry, and she goes like, you 0:51:14.920 --> 0:51:17.680 want to be a good dad, grow up. And he's 0:51:17.680 --> 0:51:20.520 locked away and she leaves. So now rollins Hays, Laurie 0:51:20.719 --> 0:51:23.120 and woodroom blinds, and she asked that the man and 0:51:23.160 --> 0:51:25.480 women are the only people she saw. 0:51:25.840 --> 0:51:27.280 She says that she heard other people. 0:51:27.360 --> 0:51:29.719 Sometimes they would have parties in the courtyard, but she 0:51:29.760 --> 0:51:32.239 didn't scream because there were rules in the house. But 0:51:32.280 --> 0:51:35.520 one time police came and she did start screaming. This 0:51:35.600 --> 0:51:39.120 peaks Tomorrow's interest, and then the h and then she goes, well, 0:51:39.160 --> 0:51:41.520 the mommy came in and gagged and drugged me and 0:51:41.680 --> 0:51:44.480 it was with a needle, like surrendered something into her arm. 0:51:44.600 --> 0:51:47.600 So then she heard the radios and like someone maybe 0:51:47.600 --> 0:51:49.960 got shot, and she did hear a gunshot. 0:51:50.040 --> 0:51:51.360 There was a man screaming. 0:51:51.400 --> 0:51:54.400 There were sirens and it was July fifth, the first 0:51:54.440 --> 0:51:56.680 year with them. And the reason she clocked that is 0:51:56.680 --> 0:51:58.759 because the day before there were fireworks, so she knew 0:51:58.760 --> 0:52:02.239 it was July fourth. Smart girl. So she doesn't want 0:52:02.280 --> 0:52:04.880 to go back to the shelter. She doesn't blame her, 0:52:04.920 --> 0:52:06.640 and she's going to make some calls and figure some 0:52:06.640 --> 0:52:09.799 stuff out and like help her out. So now if 0:52:09.800 --> 0:52:11.680 we could help Cibon, I think we can help Laurie. 0:52:12.040 --> 0:52:12.279 Yeah. 0:52:12.280 --> 0:52:16.920 So then it's a raiment core and Alice is like, okay, listen, 0:52:16.960 --> 0:52:18.719 my clients are earn a flight risk and it's like, 0:52:18.719 --> 0:52:21.400 are you kidding me? They truly kidnapped and tried to 0:52:21.440 --> 0:52:24.640 flew the coop the day before. But he goes, what 0:52:24.680 --> 0:52:26.520 they want more is to be that anything, is to 0:52:26.560 --> 0:52:27.759 be reunited with their kids. 0:52:27.840 --> 0:52:29.319 And there's a new judge, thank god. 0:52:29.360 --> 0:52:31.920 And she's like, well, that's one way to rationalize kidnapping 0:52:32.400 --> 0:52:34.759 and she gives the wife bail since it's her first time, 0:52:34.800 --> 0:52:37.480 but he gets no bail. Betson and Ellis are walking 0:52:37.480 --> 0:52:39.399 back down the court steps and he is like, well, 0:52:39.440 --> 0:52:42.360 we've lost the high ground, and you know, he's like, 0:52:42.520 --> 0:52:44.480 arguing that the state had no right to take their 0:52:44.560 --> 0:52:47.280 kids is one thing, but now we're talking second degree kidnapping, 0:52:47.320 --> 0:52:50.120 which is a class B felony. Like, girl, he could 0:52:50.160 --> 0:52:52.880 get twenty five. And she's like, there's got to be 0:52:52.920 --> 0:52:55.120 a way to reduce the charges. She's like, I hate 0:52:55.120 --> 0:52:57.680 pushing you, and Alice is like, listen, he's made it 0:52:57.840 --> 0:53:00.319 very hard for us and like, how could I It's 0:53:00.320 --> 0:53:02.120 a stable home now, and she's like, well, what about 0:53:02.120 --> 0:53:04.560 the class action lawsuit? He goes, yeah, I'm preparing that, 0:53:04.640 --> 0:53:07.439 but like, I have to find a different test case now. 0:53:07.960 --> 0:53:10.319 So now Amara walks in and Finn is sitting on 0:53:10.360 --> 0:53:14.000 top of his desk hip cool. Love that they walked 0:53:14.040 --> 0:53:16.520 Laurie around Hell's kitchen and besides the Hearst building, like 0:53:16.600 --> 0:53:19.399 nothing else really looked familiar to her. So now Munch 0:53:19.440 --> 0:53:21.520 walks in and goes, well, what about this July shooting 0:53:21.560 --> 0:53:24.080 and Rollins is like, well, yeah, dozens of police reports 0:53:24.080 --> 0:53:26.680 it's fucking three day holiday weekend. Do you think people 0:53:26.680 --> 0:53:28.799 will remember anything? Like, what are the odds of that? 0:53:28.960 --> 0:53:31.560 Finn turns around and gives her a nasty look because 0:53:31.560 --> 0:53:33.200 it's like, okay, gambling at it. What are we talking 0:53:33.200 --> 0:53:36.960 about odds for? And she goes, it's just an expression. 0:53:37.520 --> 0:53:39.880 And she's also like, let's just check the ers and 0:53:39.920 --> 0:53:43.120 see what's up. So they're at Mercy Hospital and okay, 0:53:43.160 --> 0:53:44.160 this is what's crazy. 0:53:44.400 --> 0:53:45.160 You're telling me. 0:53:45.400 --> 0:53:49.439 A New York City er nurse remembers the case from 0:53:49.520 --> 0:53:54.280 three and a half years ago. I'm sorry, you've reached 0:53:54.320 --> 0:53:57.319 the limits of what I can do. But she goes, oh, 0:53:57.360 --> 0:53:59.920 the rat slayer, I remember that because the uncle well, 0:54:00.080 --> 0:54:02.560 I guess this is funny, but an uncle shot his 0:54:02.640 --> 0:54:04.880 nephew in the foot, claiming he was aiming at a 0:54:05.000 --> 0:54:09.360 rap So they're like, you know, so it's a hero nurse. 0:54:09.440 --> 0:54:12.760 She remembers this. She also says that when he got in. 0:54:12.640 --> 0:54:15.080 Though, the wound had already been well taken care of, 0:54:16.160 --> 0:54:18.960 and it's like, well, that's crazy, and they're like, well, 0:54:19.120 --> 0:54:20.279 his aunt brought him in. 0:54:20.480 --> 0:54:21.360 Who's the aunt? 0:54:21.719 --> 0:54:24.480 Magda Plaski and she works here and she's one of 0:54:24.480 --> 0:54:28.399 the best neonatal nurses are that's ever been And they 0:54:28.400 --> 0:54:30.520 go and did she used to work in New Jersey 0:54:30.960 --> 0:54:33.520 And they go and she the other the nurse goes, yeah, 0:54:33.680 --> 0:54:36.920 the New Work Hospital General before it closed. So they 0:54:37.040 --> 0:54:39.879 find Magda and she's like, give me a minute, there's 0:54:39.880 --> 0:54:42.120 a baby that needs my help. But they're like, actually, bitch, 0:54:42.160 --> 0:54:44.600 I don't think so, and he's like, you're gonna make 0:54:44.680 --> 0:54:47.400 us chase you. So she knows what's up and she goes, well, 0:54:47.400 --> 0:54:49.359 i'll talk to you in an hour when my shift's done, 0:54:49.440 --> 0:54:51.319 and they're like, you're a dumb bitch, Like I truly 0:54:51.360 --> 0:54:52.640 want to grab her by her ponytail. 0:54:52.640 --> 0:54:53.200 It's slammer. 0:54:53.200 --> 0:54:56.799 It gets the ground and Rala's screams, try now, where 0:54:56.880 --> 0:54:57.440 is Celia? 0:54:57.560 --> 0:54:58.120 She asks. 0:54:58.400 --> 0:55:00.359 She goes, I don't know what you mean, and they're like, oh, 0:55:00.400 --> 0:55:03.000 you know, and you know about the baby that was abandoned, 0:55:03.040 --> 0:55:06.279 so stop playing stupid. You know where his mother is 0:55:06.320 --> 0:55:09.680 and we know that. Robin says, it's over. You worked 0:55:09.760 --> 0:55:12.400 near the hospital where Laurie's son was found too. We 0:55:12.520 --> 0:55:15.600 know everything. You made sure both babies were taken care of, 0:55:16.000 --> 0:55:18.200 and you took care of them, so we know what's 0:55:18.239 --> 0:55:20.759 going on, got it And she responds that you know 0:55:20.800 --> 0:55:23.479 I would let anything bad happen to them, and he's 0:55:23.560 --> 0:55:26.240 sickened by her, and she says, it's just Daddy didn't 0:55:26.239 --> 0:55:29.160 want boys. So your husband, you mean, we know it's 0:55:29.239 --> 0:55:31.120 him and it's not you. So tell us where he's 0:55:31.200 --> 0:55:34.200 keeping Celia. So they head down to the basement. She's 0:55:34.280 --> 0:55:37.160 crying but like, you know, leading them to where she's 0:55:37.200 --> 0:55:37.680 locked up. 0:55:38.160 --> 0:55:41.120 This space is so expansive. What is this? 0:55:41.640 --> 0:55:45.160 It like truly feels like the underground of a school 0:55:45.320 --> 0:55:48.640 or something. Like it's giant a factory. Like how do 0:55:48.680 --> 0:55:50.440 they have access to the space? 0:55:51.920 --> 0:55:52.120 Yeah? 0:55:52.200 --> 0:55:56.439 Or he's a landlord like or a super or something super. Yes, 0:55:56.680 --> 0:55:58.400 so he can get into like a big basement of 0:55:58.440 --> 0:55:59.240 a large building. 0:55:59.400 --> 0:56:02.000 I guess yeah he look yeah because the way he's 0:56:02.040 --> 0:56:03.680 dressed when they get yeah, he could be a super. 0:56:04.080 --> 0:56:06.080 So they head down to the basement and she's crying 0:56:06.160 --> 0:56:08.560 but leading them there and it's locked from the outside. 0:56:08.600 --> 0:56:11.240 The whole swat team's there. We do find Celia. Benson 0:56:11.360 --> 0:56:13.719 is comforting her. Roalin's is in the back. She's like, 0:56:14.280 --> 0:56:16.600 this girl has no expression on her. She goes, no, 0:56:16.880 --> 0:56:19.440 don't hurt her and We're like, who and a toddler 0:56:19.560 --> 0:56:21.399 is there? There's a fucking little girl in there. 0:56:21.920 --> 0:56:22.600 Oh my god. 0:56:23.719 --> 0:56:27.280 So Benson immediately is like high sweetheart, bends down, grabs 0:56:27.320 --> 0:56:30.280 a little toddler girl. It's okay, baby girl. She reaches 0:56:30.360 --> 0:56:33.040 for Celia, and then a borrow's screaming at bag to 0:56:33.160 --> 0:56:35.759 where is your husband? And they let her call him 0:56:35.800 --> 0:56:37.960 and it's like she's a dumb bitch, you guys, what 0:56:38.080 --> 0:56:40.479 are you talking about? So she speaks in I'm gonna 0:56:40.480 --> 0:56:45.880 assume Polish because of the name, and she gives him clues, 0:56:46.160 --> 0:56:49.640 so he starts running. A barrow runs after him. There's 0:56:49.680 --> 0:56:52.400 a full pursuit up the fire escapes. They're running up 0:56:52.480 --> 0:56:54.480 now they're on the roof. In my head, I'm like, 0:56:54.520 --> 0:56:56.560 I want him to jump off and die, but also 0:56:56.600 --> 0:56:58.959 I do want him locked up in prison so he can. 0:56:58.960 --> 0:57:00.960 Live the way he like locked up these young girls. 0:57:01.360 --> 0:57:01.560 Yes. 0:57:02.080 --> 0:57:05.759 So Tomorrow gets him and goes it's over daddy and 0:57:05.920 --> 0:57:09.359 drags him away and we're in SeMet room bars and he's, 0:57:09.840 --> 0:57:13.120 you know, signing papers, so probably confessed, and like he 0:57:13.239 --> 0:57:15.560 knows he's caught. So he says, I know you probably 0:57:15.600 --> 0:57:18.120 think you save those girls, but I was their whole world. 0:57:18.280 --> 0:57:21.720 They'll never forget me again. Losers trying to grasp for 0:57:21.800 --> 0:57:23.720 power in this world, and I want to know more 0:57:23.760 --> 0:57:25.360 about them, to be honest, Like I want to know 0:57:25.440 --> 0:57:27.480 more about how they got together. If Magda's going to 0:57:27.760 --> 0:57:31.600 obviously Maga's going to prison too. But they leave him 0:57:31.600 --> 0:57:33.760 below at cemet room bars and scream to get him 0:57:33.760 --> 0:57:36.160 out of there, and Benson says, I need a shower. 0:57:36.800 --> 0:57:39.240 Also, what was again? What was that fucking building? 0:57:39.560 --> 0:57:42.040 Robin says, Celia will be reunited with her family and 0:57:42.080 --> 0:57:44.600 her father's going to petition to have custody of the baby, 0:57:44.680 --> 0:57:47.160 and the two year old daughter, Laurie is getting help 0:57:47.240 --> 0:57:49.760 and the adoptive parents have agreed to let her have visitation, 0:57:49.920 --> 0:57:52.400 which is huge, Like I didn't see that dad agreeing 0:57:52.440 --> 0:57:55.120 to that, And then Craigan says nice work to everyone. 0:57:55.360 --> 0:57:59.080 Benson's phone rings tomorrow, asks what's up, and she just 0:57:59.160 --> 0:58:01.440 walks past him. Tomorrow's due in her life, like she 0:58:01.480 --> 0:58:04.560 doesn't give a fuck, And so that now we're like 0:58:04.640 --> 0:58:08.080 a in prison Simon and Ellis, and she's like Ellis 0:58:08.120 --> 0:58:10.360 worked on a deal between child Services in the DA's 0:58:10.400 --> 0:58:13.960 office to reduce it from kidnapping to custodial interference, which 0:58:14.000 --> 0:58:16.400 is a misdemeanor, which is a huge win, and he'll 0:58:16.440 --> 0:58:19.840 only serve sixty days. And he goes, wait, where's Tracy. 0:58:19.880 --> 0:58:22.000 Shouldn't Tracy be here? And Ben's goes, well, she had 0:58:22.000 --> 0:58:24.760 to get her own lawyer. They're separating the cases. It's 0:58:24.840 --> 0:58:28.160 the only way for Tracy to regain custody. One condition 0:58:28.320 --> 0:58:31.600 is you will give up your custody petition. And he screams, 0:58:31.880 --> 0:58:33.760 so I have to give up my daughter. And it's like, 0:58:34.400 --> 0:58:38.200 you were about to serve twenty five years for kidnapping, 0:58:38.360 --> 0:58:43.080 Like this motherfucker is pissing me off. And he like 0:58:43.320 --> 0:58:45.520 he thinks the cops sister will just like get him 0:58:45.520 --> 0:58:49.320 out of everything, Like come on, bro, so Ellis explains, 0:58:49.360 --> 0:58:51.080 for the next three years, you can only see your 0:58:51.160 --> 0:58:53.240 kids in a supervised setting and he has to move 0:58:53.280 --> 0:58:54.920 out of the apartment and get his own place. He 0:58:54.960 --> 0:58:57.080 looks at Benson and goes, this is the best he 0:58:57.200 --> 0:58:59.040 could do, and it's like, seems pretty good to me. 0:58:59.680 --> 0:59:02.240 And then Benson says, it's better than your daughter visiting 0:59:02.320 --> 0:59:03.000 you in jail. 0:59:04.320 --> 0:59:04.560 Again. 0:59:04.640 --> 0:59:07.080 You were looking at twenty five years. You're serving sixty years. 0:59:07.120 --> 0:59:09.360 You'll still get to see your children, just supervised. Like, 0:59:09.480 --> 0:59:12.480 I am shocked that Simon is acting like this. That's 0:59:12.560 --> 0:59:15.440 like what is annoying is like he's He's like, I 0:59:15.520 --> 0:59:17.120 was just trying to do the right. It's you did 0:59:17.240 --> 0:59:17.800 a dumb thing. 0:59:18.000 --> 0:59:21.560 Like yeah, he doesn't really take any responsibility. The judge 0:59:21.720 --> 0:59:24.200 will revisit that. This is even amazing. The judge will 0:59:24.280 --> 0:59:26.640 revisit in one year if he doesn't violate his parole. 0:59:27.120 --> 0:59:27.760 He shocked. 0:59:27.840 --> 0:59:29.720 Tracy went along with this, and it's like, yeah, what 0:59:29.840 --> 0:59:33.240 are the other options for kids sit in foster care? Yeah, 0:59:34.160 --> 0:59:36.439 so that he says, well, we're getting married, and Ellis goes, 0:59:36.560 --> 0:59:39.720 not right now, Tracy needs some time. He gets up 0:59:39.760 --> 0:59:42.120 to leave, and he's like, that's it to medicine. So 0:59:42.480 --> 0:59:44.280 she keeps looking at him, and he's like, I really 0:59:44.320 --> 0:59:46.320 thought I could get the right this time. She goes, 0:59:46.360 --> 0:59:48.920 I know, and they hold hands and she goes me too, 0:59:49.480 --> 0:59:51.800 and uh tears well up in his eyes and that's 0:59:51.840 --> 0:59:55.280 dick wolf baby. And now I'm like, so, I mean, 0:59:55.360 --> 0:59:57.640 I know the names of the cases. They're famous cases, 0:59:57.760 --> 0:59:59.640 but I'm really interested in the details. 0:59:59.680 --> 0:59:59.880 Whatever. 1:00:00.360 --> 1:00:03.640 Yeah, then we yeah, and we also don't see Simon 1:00:04.160 --> 1:00:06.720 now for like nine more seasons, Like that's goodbye. 1:00:06.840 --> 1:00:10.080 That's a wrap. That's a wrap on Simon for nine seasons. 1:00:17.760 --> 1:00:21.560 So you know there was two like there was another 1:00:21.600 --> 1:00:23.520 case being floated around that this was like about, but 1:00:23.800 --> 1:00:27.040 that person has never been that's a kidnapping that the 1:00:27.080 --> 1:00:28.960 person's ever been found. So I'm just going to focus 1:00:29.040 --> 1:00:30.680 on like the one major case that I think this 1:00:30.920 --> 1:00:33.800 is about, which is the JC DO Guard case. And 1:00:34.760 --> 1:00:38.720 I've heard of this and I guess I just I 1:00:38.840 --> 1:00:41.360 think I thought a lot of this case was what 1:00:41.480 --> 1:00:45.520 happened to Elizabeth Smart, Yeah, but it's not. It happened 1:00:45.520 --> 1:00:49.720 to JC D Guard first. So first to get into 1:00:49.760 --> 1:00:52.960 this story, let's get some backstory on Philip Garrito. 1:00:53.240 --> 1:00:53.479 Okay. 1:00:54.040 --> 1:00:57.720 In nineteen seventy two, when he's nineteen years old, Philip Garrido, 1:00:57.800 --> 1:01:01.080 a California native, is arrested in charged with repeatedly raping 1:01:01.160 --> 1:01:04.480 a fourteen year old girl after drugging her, but the 1:01:04.560 --> 1:01:08.800 case never goes to trial after the girl declines to testify. Okay, 1:01:09.560 --> 1:01:13.040 In nineteen seventy six, he kidnaps twenty five year old 1:01:13.160 --> 1:01:16.880 Catherine Callaway in South Lake Tahoe, California, sexual assault her 1:01:16.960 --> 1:01:20.320 for over five hours in a reno warehouse. Luckily, a 1:01:20.360 --> 1:01:23.080 fucking cop noticed a car and went up and knocked 1:01:23.120 --> 1:01:25.400 on the door, and when he opened it, the girl 1:01:25.520 --> 1:01:27.680 was like help, and so he was arrested. 1:01:28.360 --> 1:01:31.280 He got court ordered psychical. 1:01:31.880 --> 1:01:35.400 He was diagnosed as a sexual deviant and chronic drug abuser, 1:01:35.440 --> 1:01:38.800 as he frequently abused meth and LSD, and he was 1:01:38.840 --> 1:01:42.280 convicted in nineteen seventy seven. He was sentenced to fifty 1:01:42.640 --> 1:01:46.480 years in a federal prison. Awesome, right, No, what do 1:01:46.560 --> 1:01:49.280 we know about the seventies and eighties and fucking jail sentences? 1:01:49.400 --> 1:01:52.480 They basically the numbers are all made up and make 1:01:52.600 --> 1:01:58.120 no sense. So after eleven years, he's released to Nevada 1:01:58.400 --> 1:02:01.640 so that he can serve a five year to life 1:02:01.720 --> 1:02:04.800 sentence there. He does seven months of that. Okay, so 1:02:04.920 --> 1:02:08.280 he's done eleven years and some change on this sentence. 1:02:08.880 --> 1:02:13.440 And if this is after raping a woman, yes, for 1:02:13.600 --> 1:02:15.160 holding a woman and raping her. 1:02:15.200 --> 1:02:18.840 For multiple hours, yeah yeah, yeah, kidnapping her like removing 1:02:18.880 --> 1:02:20.760 her from a place like yeah. 1:02:21.000 --> 1:02:22.400 So he. 1:02:24.200 --> 1:02:27.240 Is released and so the in his first sentence at 1:02:27.280 --> 1:02:30.280 the federal institution, he did meet he did. 1:02:30.880 --> 1:02:31.959 There was a romance Okay. 1:02:32.000 --> 1:02:35.120 He met his wife, Nancy, who met him in prison 1:02:35.160 --> 1:02:37.480 because she was there visiting an uncle or something. They 1:02:37.560 --> 1:02:39.840 got married while he was in prison, and then when 1:02:39.880 --> 1:02:43.080 he got out, he moved with Nancy in with his 1:02:43.240 --> 1:02:47.360 elderly mother in Antioch, California. So he was ordered to 1:02:47.600 --> 1:02:52.000 wear like a GPS enabled inkle monitor and regularly check 1:02:52.040 --> 1:02:53.960 in with his parole officer like he had. 1:02:54.080 --> 1:02:55.800 Interactions with law enforcement a lot. 1:02:55.960 --> 1:03:00.200 Okay, So now let's talk about September nineteen ninety, ten 1:03:00.280 --> 1:03:03.240 year old Jac Duguard moves with her mother's stepfather and 1:03:03.320 --> 1:03:07.080 half sister from Arcadia in Los Angeles, where I enjoy 1:03:07.160 --> 1:03:10.600 the mall frequently to a town about seven miles south 1:03:10.840 --> 1:03:14.040 of Southlake Tahoe, where I've also been, and I. 1:03:14.920 --> 1:03:17.920 Love Southlake Tahoe. It's so beautiful because they wanted to 1:03:18.000 --> 1:03:19.280 move somewhere safer. Okay. 1:03:20.040 --> 1:03:22.960 Nine months later, it's June tenth of nineteen ninety one, 1:03:23.160 --> 1:03:26.520 eleven year old Jac leaves for school. She walks up 1:03:26.560 --> 1:03:28.600 the hill to where the bus stop is, the school 1:03:28.640 --> 1:03:31.480 bus stop, and when she's halfway up the hill, this 1:03:31.720 --> 1:03:35.280 grace car with two people in it, like kind of you, 1:03:35.480 --> 1:03:38.480 turns around and stops and stops beside her, and she 1:03:38.560 --> 1:03:42.400 thinks they need directions, and sadly, the person driving the 1:03:42.480 --> 1:03:45.400 car is at this point forty year old Philip Gurrito 1:03:45.840 --> 1:03:49.240 and Nancy, his wife, who's riding shotgun. He rolls down 1:03:49.280 --> 1:03:53.760 his window tases Jac with a stun gun. She goes unconscious. 1:03:53.880 --> 1:03:56.720 Nancy drags her into the car takes off all of 1:03:56.760 --> 1:03:59.520 her clothing. The only item they forgot to remove was 1:03:59.560 --> 1:04:02.720 a butter fly shaped ring, which she went on to 1:04:03.000 --> 1:04:06.320 like hide from them for a long time. So what's 1:04:06.400 --> 1:04:13.080 crazy is Jac's stepfather, Carl Probin. He sees the whole 1:04:13.400 --> 1:04:16.320 kidnapping and he jumps on his mountain bike and tries 1:04:16.400 --> 1:04:19.600 to like bike after them, but he can't catch up 1:04:19.640 --> 1:04:19.880 to them. 1:04:19.880 --> 1:04:26.680 They're too fast, so uh yeah, it's like really terrible. 1:04:26.960 --> 1:04:33.080 And then he becomes a suspect, as does Jac's biological father, 1:04:33.200 --> 1:04:36.400 Ken Slayton, but he gets cleared pretty quick. And Carl 1:04:36.560 --> 1:04:39.400 the stepfather, like, by the way, he wasn't the only witness. 1:04:39.400 --> 1:04:40.920 There were kids at the bus stop who witnessed it 1:04:40.960 --> 1:04:44.080 as well. So like the stepfather, I think did a 1:04:44.120 --> 1:04:48.200 couple of like compulsory like polygraphs, but he passed. 1:04:47.920 --> 1:04:49.920 Them all and like he was cleared pretty quickly as well. 1:04:50.400 --> 1:04:53.960 But Carl and jc's mother, Terry, their marriage did not 1:04:54.160 --> 1:04:58.600 survive the abduction. He later told CBS News, losing JC 1:04:58.880 --> 1:05:02.120 ended the marriage between us. We've never had a fight. 1:05:02.240 --> 1:05:05.280 We're best friends right now. But losing JC just changed 1:05:05.280 --> 1:05:10.440 her life. So it's not the same as being remarried 1:05:10.640 --> 1:05:12.120 like what happened to the other person. 1:05:12.280 --> 1:05:13.120 But they did. 1:05:13.200 --> 1:05:15.280 Their marriage did break up like pretty quickly, I think 1:05:15.360 --> 1:05:19.160 after it was done. So meanwhile, JC gets driven three 1:05:19.240 --> 1:05:22.880 hours to the Grido's home in Antioch, California. She's in 1:05:22.960 --> 1:05:25.480 and out of consciousness. Nancy's like holding her down underneath 1:05:25.520 --> 1:05:27.480 a blanket. She begs them to let her go. She's like, 1:05:27.520 --> 1:05:28.920 my parents won't have any money to pay for a 1:05:29.000 --> 1:05:32.160 ransom behind their home. It's exactly what I think of 1:05:32.240 --> 1:05:36.320 when I think of Elizabeth Smart's thing, or like even no, 1:05:36.560 --> 1:05:38.440 like the turbans, I feel like I think of them 1:05:38.520 --> 1:05:41.080 being inside, but like Elizabeth Smart, I think of being 1:05:41.120 --> 1:05:44.920 in like tents and sheds and like ramshackle kind of structures. 1:05:45.200 --> 1:05:46.520 That's like the whole backyard. 1:05:46.800 --> 1:05:48.840 And there are pictures if you want to click on 1:05:48.960 --> 1:05:52.000 some of my show note links where you can see 1:05:52.040 --> 1:05:54.720 what like the back looked like, and they put JC 1:05:54.920 --> 1:05:57.240 into this very small shed that had been soundproofd. He 1:05:57.360 --> 1:06:00.560 handcuffed her naked in the shed and told her that 1:06:00.640 --> 1:06:03.040 there were trained Doberman's outside that would attack her if 1:06:03.080 --> 1:06:05.280 she tried to escape, and he bolted the door shut. 1:06:07.480 --> 1:06:09.400 That first week, he forced her to take a shower 1:06:09.480 --> 1:06:11.680 with him. She had never seen like a grown naked 1:06:11.760 --> 1:06:15.760 man before. She was always handcuffed and Gerrito was the 1:06:15.840 --> 1:06:18.959 only person she saw. He brought her fast food, talked 1:06:19.000 --> 1:06:20.560 with her, and he gave her a bucket to go 1:06:20.720 --> 1:06:23.400 to the bathroom in. And a week into the kidnapping 1:06:23.480 --> 1:06:24.320 is the first time. 1:06:24.360 --> 1:06:27.360 Were they looking for her or did they have the 1:06:27.440 --> 1:06:29.680 setup for any random person they could snatch? 1:06:31.000 --> 1:06:31.640 Good question. 1:06:32.640 --> 1:06:39.160 The district attorney who tries them later believes that Nancy 1:06:39.840 --> 1:06:42.720 found him found her, excuse me, and like brought her 1:06:43.280 --> 1:06:45.400 brought like like they captured Like it was like a 1:06:45.480 --> 1:06:46.200 prize for him. 1:06:47.280 --> 1:06:51.080 So yeah, Nancy's not good. 1:06:51.480 --> 1:06:54.000 Yeah, So it's like it's sort of believed obviously that 1:06:54.080 --> 1:06:56.160 this wasn't just like a random like let's see who 1:06:56.200 --> 1:06:58.560 we can grab, like that they had like the idea 1:06:58.680 --> 1:07:04.040 for her, And although he had like later confessed to 1:07:04.120 --> 1:07:06.560 like masturbating outside of elementary schools all the time, Like 1:07:06.600 --> 1:07:08.520 I mean, he's just like disgusting, So it's possible he 1:07:08.680 --> 1:07:11.400 like saw her and she like then Nancy did the 1:07:11.440 --> 1:07:14.520 reconnaissance like who knows, So a week into the kidnapping, 1:07:14.640 --> 1:07:17.120 he rapes her and then he continues to do that 1:07:17.280 --> 1:07:21.040 at least once a week for three years, and eventually 1:07:21.880 --> 1:07:23.560 he gave her a TV, but she wasn't allowed to 1:07:23.560 --> 1:07:26.200 watch the news, and she had no clue that anybody 1:07:26.280 --> 1:07:30.360 was searching for her, and she said later that she 1:07:30.520 --> 1:07:33.560 watched a lot of QVC, so like at the beginning, 1:07:33.560 --> 1:07:36.760 it was like only QBC. So about six weeks into 1:07:36.760 --> 1:07:38.760 the kidnapping, he moved her from the shed into a 1:07:38.840 --> 1:07:41.000 larger room, where he handcuffed her to the bed. He 1:07:41.160 --> 1:07:44.920 told her that demon angels let him take her so 1:07:45.040 --> 1:07:47.360 that she could help him with his sexual debancy, so 1:07:47.520 --> 1:07:49.520 like he knew he had some kind of problem. And 1:07:49.600 --> 1:07:51.880 by the way, his father always said that he was 1:07:51.960 --> 1:07:54.360 like a perfectly normal, good kid, but then he got 1:07:54.400 --> 1:07:56.880 into a motorcycle accident and that's where he went. So 1:07:56.960 --> 1:07:59.200 it's possible this man has a brain injury that is 1:07:59.640 --> 1:08:04.880 count contributing to his horrible drug abuse and sexual deviancy. 1:08:04.960 --> 1:08:09.120 I have no idea, he told her, Basically, you're helping 1:08:09.200 --> 1:08:11.040 other people because if I have you, I'm not going 1:08:11.080 --> 1:08:12.000 to do this to other people. 1:08:12.880 --> 1:08:14.960 So super fucked. 1:08:15.760 --> 1:08:18.519 He would go on these drug binges that he called runs, 1:08:18.600 --> 1:08:21.160 and they would last for days. He would force jac 1:08:21.439 --> 1:08:25.000 to perform sex acts on him and ask her to 1:08:25.040 --> 1:08:27.760 listen for the voices that he could hear, like coming 1:08:27.800 --> 1:08:29.560 from the walls and stuff, and he told her he 1:08:29.680 --> 1:08:32.200 was like a chosen servant of God. And then at 1:08:32.200 --> 1:08:35.000 the end of the drug run, he would cry and 1:08:35.080 --> 1:08:37.559 apologize to her, but then also threaten to sell her 1:08:37.600 --> 1:08:39.560 to even worse people, like I'm going to sell you 1:08:39.600 --> 1:08:40.640 to people that are going to put you in a 1:08:40.720 --> 1:08:44.599 cage and stuff like that. So then seven months into 1:08:44.640 --> 1:08:49.320 the kidnapping, Gurrido introduces jac to Nancy, So she doesn't 1:08:49.560 --> 1:08:52.360 see Nancy the first seven months, and I don't know 1:08:52.439 --> 1:08:54.960 if he's like studied this or what this is, but 1:08:55.120 --> 1:08:58.439 he's basically like forming a bond with her, but also 1:08:58.560 --> 1:09:02.160 torturing her to the point that she is like really 1:09:02.240 --> 1:09:05.720 really hoping for Nancy's approval and love right, like, oh 1:09:05.840 --> 1:09:07.519 my God, a mother figure, you know, like a woman, 1:09:08.120 --> 1:09:10.559 And so Nancy brings her a stuffed animal and chocolate 1:09:10.680 --> 1:09:13.640 milk and also cries and apologizes to her. But it 1:09:13.720 --> 1:09:16.000 turns out Nancy is just as horrible and manipultave as 1:09:16.040 --> 1:09:21.800 her husband. She basically vacillates between motherly comfort and insane 1:09:21.880 --> 1:09:25.280 cruelty to this girl. She's very jealous of Jc because 1:09:25.280 --> 1:09:28.360 of like obviously the attention that the husband gives her 1:09:28.960 --> 1:09:31.840 and Nancy much like in the episode, she's not a 1:09:31.960 --> 1:09:35.040 nurse in like a baby nurse, but she's an in 1:09:35.240 --> 1:09:38.920 home aid like a nursing aid. So at one point, 1:09:39.520 --> 1:09:41.920 when Garrito failed a drug test, he went back to 1:09:42.000 --> 1:09:45.040 prison briefly and she took over as Jac's captor. Like 1:09:45.160 --> 1:09:47.760 she could have released her at that point, but she 1:09:48.080 --> 1:09:49.720 or say, oh my god, she escaped. I don't know 1:09:49.760 --> 1:09:51.880 what to do, but just kept her while he was 1:09:51.920 --> 1:09:55.920 in jail. A neighbor said that he met Jac at 1:09:55.960 --> 1:09:57.920 one point through the fence and she said her name 1:09:58.040 --> 1:10:01.599 was Jac and that she lived there. She never saw 1:10:01.640 --> 1:10:05.960 a doctor, she never saw a dentist. And another like 1:10:06.080 --> 1:10:09.599 insane psychological torture thing they did to her was twice 1:10:10.160 --> 1:10:12.840 they gave her kittens, but then the cats would like 1:10:12.920 --> 1:10:15.320 disappear without a word, like they would just like take 1:10:15.360 --> 1:10:18.080 the cats away and do god knows what. But she 1:10:18.320 --> 1:10:20.720 was never permitted to say or write her full name 1:10:20.720 --> 1:10:22.679 because she had like a journal she kept about the kittens, 1:10:22.720 --> 1:10:24.920 and one time she wrote her full name down and 1:10:25.000 --> 1:10:27.560 they were like rip out that page, and she was 1:10:27.640 --> 1:10:29.599 told that she could never say or write her name 1:10:29.680 --> 1:10:32.720 down ever again, her full name. So about three years 1:10:32.760 --> 1:10:35.719 into her kidnapping, he puts up like an eight foot 1:10:35.760 --> 1:10:38.200 tall fence around the backyard and a tent for her, 1:10:38.400 --> 1:10:41.400 and that's when she's finally allowed to walk around outside 1:10:41.439 --> 1:10:44.040 without handcuffs for periods of time. She still locked in 1:10:44.080 --> 1:10:45.880 the bolted room for like the rest of the time, 1:10:45.960 --> 1:10:48.320 but they let her. You know, it's kind of like 1:10:48.439 --> 1:10:50.960 what with Colleen stan right, Like after this period of time, 1:10:51.320 --> 1:10:53.280 she was allowed some freedom. She was even allowed to 1:10:53.360 --> 1:10:56.200 go back and see her family. So he's allowing her freedom. 1:10:56.680 --> 1:10:59.400 And then the Gurridos tell JC when she's around thirteen, 1:11:00.200 --> 1:11:03.760 two and a half years into the kidnapping, that they 1:11:03.800 --> 1:11:05.880 thought she was pregnant, and she knew she was gaining weight, 1:11:05.920 --> 1:11:09.160 but she didn't know why, right, so she would watch 1:11:09.240 --> 1:11:12.120 TV shows about childbirth to like prepare because she knew, 1:11:12.200 --> 1:11:13.800 like a doctor was not going to be helping her, 1:11:13.920 --> 1:11:15.960 like she was gonna have to like just give birth 1:11:16.360 --> 1:11:19.640 with just these two insane people. So in August of 1:11:19.720 --> 1:11:21.840 nineteen ninety four, when she was fourteen years old, she 1:11:21.880 --> 1:11:26.639 gave birth to her daughter. After this, he slowed down 1:11:26.920 --> 1:11:29.280 on like the habitual rapes, he would still do it 1:11:29.880 --> 1:11:33.439 on his drug binges, and then the last time he 1:11:33.520 --> 1:11:36.880 sexually assaulted JC led to the conception of her second daughter, 1:11:37.400 --> 1:11:41.200 who was born in nineteen ninety seven when JC was seventeen. 1:11:42.120 --> 1:11:48.519 So JC basically parents her children, learning information she gathers 1:11:48.560 --> 1:11:51.840 from the television. She planted a garden and flowers. She 1:11:51.960 --> 1:11:55.080 homeschools her kids. She tries to protect them from Grito, 1:11:55.120 --> 1:11:58.880 who's still a drug crazed, ranting maniac. He demanded that 1:11:59.000 --> 1:12:01.920 the girls refer to Nancy as their mother and that 1:12:02.080 --> 1:12:04.840 JAC is their older sister. I kind of read some 1:12:04.960 --> 1:12:07.439 conflicting reports that that's like what the girls actually thought, 1:12:07.560 --> 1:12:10.840 that they actually thought JAC was their sister, their older sister, 1:12:10.880 --> 1:12:13.960 and not their mom, and whenever they met other people, 1:12:14.640 --> 1:12:16.400 they had to keep up that whole charade. 1:12:16.439 --> 1:12:18.519 That like this is their mom and these you know, 1:12:18.600 --> 1:12:19.639 these are the three sisters. 1:12:20.200 --> 1:12:24.599 So Garrito ran a print shop and jac worked as 1:12:24.640 --> 1:12:27.120 a graphic artist for him at the print shop, and 1:12:27.360 --> 1:12:29.920 customers said she did great work. She had interactions with 1:12:30.000 --> 1:12:32.760 customers who said they never noticed anything weird. She never 1:12:32.840 --> 1:12:34.760 told anyone who she was or like that she was 1:12:34.880 --> 1:12:37.479 abducted and at the shop she had access to a 1:12:37.560 --> 1:12:40.360 phone in an email, but she never used them to escape. 1:12:41.040 --> 1:12:43.639 And I mean, we saw this again with Colleen stan 1:12:44.360 --> 1:12:46.200 There's a lot of reasons for that. But also she 1:12:46.280 --> 1:12:49.400 has her two children, Like she if she's not with 1:12:49.560 --> 1:12:53.400 the children, she's not gonna call and possibly get picked 1:12:53.479 --> 1:12:57.000 up by the police, and then what happens to her kids. 1:12:56.760 --> 1:12:58.479 Like he could just kill them, Like so she's too 1:12:58.520 --> 1:12:59.320 scared to ever do that. 1:13:00.360 --> 1:13:02.760 On at least two occasions, law enforcement comes to the 1:13:02.840 --> 1:13:05.639 home but never asks to see the backyard and never 1:13:05.720 --> 1:13:09.000 saw any signs of JC or her kids. The police 1:13:09.160 --> 1:13:12.559 never kidnapped, never connected Sorry that the kidnap and rape 1:13:12.600 --> 1:13:15.680 that Garrido committed in nineteen seventy six. He also took 1:13:15.760 --> 1:13:18.000 that victim from South Lake Tahoe, which is only minutes 1:13:18.000 --> 1:13:20.320 away from where Jay c was taken, and I know 1:13:20.400 --> 1:13:22.760 there's like fifteen years between those, but you would kind 1:13:22.840 --> 1:13:25.920 of think this is like a small rural area. Let's 1:13:26.000 --> 1:13:28.240 like look into some past cases and maybe see if 1:13:28.240 --> 1:13:32.200 there's any or maybe just like check the yard, yeah, 1:13:32.800 --> 1:13:34.439 or maybe like check and see if there were any 1:13:34.520 --> 1:13:39.200 paroles around the area, like when I mean, if it's 1:13:39.560 --> 1:13:44.360 supposed to be a fucking ankle bracelet that is monitorable anyway, 1:13:44.760 --> 1:13:48.040 In two thousand and six, fifteen years into her abduction, 1:13:48.439 --> 1:13:54.280 all seem yeah, fifteen years, oh my god, fifteen years 1:13:54.320 --> 1:13:57.160 into production of one of the neighbors calls nine one 1:13:57.160 --> 1:13:59.280 one to say that there's kids living in these tents 1:13:59.680 --> 1:14:01.479 in the back of the property and that he's a 1:14:01.600 --> 1:14:04.600 fucking psycho sex addict. The cops came, they talked to 1:14:04.680 --> 1:14:06.600 him for thirty minutes, and then they left and said, like, 1:14:06.640 --> 1:14:08.120 you're gonna get fined if you have anyone living in 1:14:08.200 --> 1:14:12.679 that backyard. So finally, in August of two thousand and nine, 1:14:13.280 --> 1:14:17.120 Garrido stops by the San Francisco office of the FBI. Okay, 1:14:17.520 --> 1:14:20.920 he leaves a four page essay about religion and sexuality 1:14:21.280 --> 1:14:24.200 and how he's figured out how to solve the problems 1:14:24.200 --> 1:14:26.679 that caused his past crimes, and he could help cure 1:14:26.760 --> 1:14:29.599 other sexual predators. All you have to do is kidnap 1:14:29.760 --> 1:14:33.280 one young child and make her your sex slave, and 1:14:33.320 --> 1:14:36.080 then you won't hurt other people. That's basically, And he's 1:14:36.080 --> 1:14:39.920 saying he's cured because he did stop sexually assaulting her 1:14:39.960 --> 1:14:42.400 in nineteen ninety seven, so he has not sexually assaulted 1:14:42.439 --> 1:14:46.840 her now in twelve years. But it's just beyond So 1:14:47.000 --> 1:14:49.840 he swings after that, he swings by UC Berkeley, and 1:14:49.920 --> 1:14:52.400 he's got Jac's two daughters with him, okay, who at 1:14:52.439 --> 1:14:54.679 the time are eleven and fifteen, and they're his daughters 1:14:54.680 --> 1:14:57.800 as well. They're eleven and fifteen at this point, and 1:14:57.960 --> 1:15:00.719 he's asking Berkeley about coming to host to talk about 1:15:00.800 --> 1:15:04.519 God and all these crazy fucking ideas, and the event manager, 1:15:05.520 --> 1:15:09.000 this woman, Lisa Campbell, is like, this man is reading 1:15:09.760 --> 1:15:11.920 fully bonkers, and she's concerned. 1:15:11.560 --> 1:15:12.320 About the daughters. 1:15:12.479 --> 1:15:14.639 Like she's like, why don't you leave your name, make 1:15:14.640 --> 1:15:18.599 an appointment, leave your name and like for the next day, 1:15:18.840 --> 1:15:22.280 and then she calls authorities officer Ali Jacobs. 1:15:22.439 --> 1:15:26.800 Finally a mother, a woman runs away. What did I 1:15:26.960 --> 1:15:29.200 do with the letter? I don't even know, if they 1:15:29.320 --> 1:15:31.080 just like chopped it up to it being a crank. 1:15:32.680 --> 1:15:36.200 Maybe they didn't even look at it until this all 1:15:36.280 --> 1:15:39.519 came out later, but that just kind of, you know, 1:15:40.760 --> 1:15:45.439 like it's yeah, I don't know. So this woman officer, 1:15:45.520 --> 1:15:48.680 Ali Jacobs, she runs a background check and discovers that 1:15:48.800 --> 1:15:51.880 he's a registered sex offender on federal parole for kidnapping 1:15:51.920 --> 1:15:57.160 and rape. And when Gerrito and the girls come back 1:15:57.200 --> 1:16:00.719 for their appointment the next day, the off or attended 1:16:00.880 --> 1:16:04.599 the appointment as well, and she said the girls looked pale, 1:16:04.680 --> 1:16:07.479 like they hadn't been exposed to sunlight. Their behavior was unusual, 1:16:08.080 --> 1:16:10.960 and then she called Grito's PO to relay her concerns. 1:16:11.280 --> 1:16:15.439 So two POS parole officers drive to the Grito's house 1:16:15.520 --> 1:16:16.160 later that day. 1:16:16.479 --> 1:16:19.280 They cut his name didn't sound so close to Douredo. 1:16:19.680 --> 1:16:23.640 I know. They cuff Gurrito. They searched the house. They 1:16:23.720 --> 1:16:27.160 find only Nancy and his elderly mother at home. I'm like, damn, 1:16:27.200 --> 1:16:29.160 the mom is still alive. They've been there with her 1:16:29.240 --> 1:16:31.800 for like twenty years. Like I didn't realize that she 1:16:31.840 --> 1:16:35.559 would still be alive. The parole agents then drove him 1:16:35.600 --> 1:16:37.800 to the parole office and he told the cops that 1:16:37.840 --> 1:16:40.960 the girls are the relative, the children of a relative, 1:16:41.000 --> 1:16:43.280 and he had permission to take them to Berkeley. And 1:16:43.640 --> 1:16:47.360 even though he was not allowed to associate with miners, 1:16:47.840 --> 1:16:51.920 and Berkeley was fifteen miles beyond the area that he 1:16:52.040 --> 1:16:55.240 is allowed to travel as a parole, the parole officers 1:16:55.360 --> 1:16:58.360 did nothing. They dropped him back off at home and 1:16:58.520 --> 1:17:00.519 told him to report to the office next day to 1:17:00.640 --> 1:17:03.719 discuss the Berkeley visit and follow up about the two girls, 1:17:03.760 --> 1:17:06.000 but they like allowed him another night in his home. 1:17:06.760 --> 1:17:09.920 He arrives at the parole office in Concord, California, on 1:17:10.000 --> 1:17:13.360 August twenty sixth with Nancy, the two girls, and Jac 1:17:13.720 --> 1:17:18.519 who he's introducing as Alyssa, and the parole officer decides, 1:17:18.800 --> 1:17:20.640 I'm going to separate the women and the girls from 1:17:20.720 --> 1:17:24.920 Garrito to speak to them. He like, Jac's still calling 1:17:24.960 --> 1:17:29.360 herself Alyssa. She's like and she told them that the 1:17:29.520 --> 1:17:32.000 girls were her daughters, and she told them that she 1:17:32.120 --> 1:17:34.120 knew that Garita was a sex offender, but that he's 1:17:34.439 --> 1:17:36.680 a changed man and a great person and he's good 1:17:36.720 --> 1:17:38.960 with her kids. And the girls agreed, they're like, we 1:17:39.240 --> 1:17:43.479 like him. So when they questioned Jac to verify her 1:17:43.560 --> 1:17:46.960 identity more. She got very annoyed and defensive and was like, 1:17:47.000 --> 1:17:50.559 why am I being interrogated? And she claimed like, I'm 1:17:50.600 --> 1:17:52.960 a battered wife from Minnesota and I'm hiding from my 1:17:53.000 --> 1:17:56.160 abusive husband, and you know, this man's taken me in 1:17:56.240 --> 1:17:59.160 and blah blah blah. The parole officer eventually called the 1:17:59.240 --> 1:18:02.920 conquered police, and when they arrived, Garto just admitted to 1:18:02.960 --> 1:18:05.679 the kidnapping and rape. I don't know, like, I don't 1:18:05.680 --> 1:18:07.280 even know if he was just like the jig is up, 1:18:07.360 --> 1:18:10.080 or maybe he's just like so batshit that he's just like, 1:18:10.479 --> 1:18:12.040 let me explain to you. And he tried to tell 1:18:12.080 --> 1:18:15.920 people I've registered my thoughts with the FBI, which is 1:18:15.960 --> 1:18:19.080 like leaving a four page basically like manifesto confessing to 1:18:19.720 --> 1:18:20.839 sexual predation. 1:18:21.120 --> 1:18:24.320 I mean, if he didn't confess, I wonder if these 1:18:24.400 --> 1:18:25.719 girls would ever have been saved. 1:18:26.120 --> 1:18:29.679 I know, because here's what happens. Girito and Nancy get arrested, 1:18:29.720 --> 1:18:32.800 and only once they're arrested does jac finally identify herself 1:18:32.800 --> 1:18:35.280 as jc do guard and says that she was scared 1:18:35.280 --> 1:18:37.000 her children will be taken if she didn't keep up 1:18:37.000 --> 1:18:40.360 the story and an FBI agent lets her talk to 1:18:40.400 --> 1:18:43.880 her mom, Terry Proben, immediately on the phone. They reunite 1:18:44.680 --> 1:18:47.000 like a day later, on August twenty seven, two thousand 1:18:47.000 --> 1:18:50.280 and nine, and she'd been missing for eighteen years. Taken 1:18:50.320 --> 1:18:56.840 at eleven, found at twenty nine. So Jace was like, 1:18:57.080 --> 1:18:59.720 you know a lot of people have said, oh, she 1:19:00.000 --> 1:19:03.200 it was possibly suffering from Stockholm syndrome. But she did 1:19:03.240 --> 1:19:08.000 this big interview with ABC News in twenty sixteen, and 1:19:08.760 --> 1:19:11.880 she said that compassion and willingness to interact with Grito 1:19:11.920 --> 1:19:13.280 were her only means of surviving. 1:19:13.360 --> 1:19:15.560 It's like very Olivia benstencoded. It's like she did what 1:19:15.640 --> 1:19:16.000 she had to do. 1:19:16.160 --> 1:19:19.719 She survived, And she says, quote the phrase Stockholm syndrome 1:19:19.720 --> 1:19:23.360 implies that hostages cracked by terror and abuse become affectionate 1:19:23.400 --> 1:19:27.040 towards their captors. Well, it's really it's degrading, you know, 1:19:27.479 --> 1:19:29.280 having my family believe that I was in love with 1:19:29.400 --> 1:19:31.240 this captor and wanted to stay with him. I mean, 1:19:31.280 --> 1:19:32.840 that is so far from the truth that it makes 1:19:32.880 --> 1:19:36.200 me want to throw up. I adapted to survive my circumstance. 1:19:36.960 --> 1:19:40.000 And she repeatedly stated that victims are forced to sympathize 1:19:40.000 --> 1:19:42.400 with their captors as a way to survive. And she 1:19:42.520 --> 1:19:45.360 also said, quote he was always my captor. I never 1:19:45.479 --> 1:19:45.920 forgot that. 1:19:46.280 --> 1:19:46.479 Never. 1:19:47.680 --> 1:19:50.040 But she did like have a bond with Grito and 1:19:50.080 --> 1:19:52.880 sorted her kids. They cried when he was arrested, and 1:19:53.040 --> 1:19:55.599 a few weeks after she was free, she asked if 1:19:55.640 --> 1:19:57.360 she could have the pets from the home that had 1:19:57.400 --> 1:20:01.120 been living at the home, and you know, she was 1:20:01.400 --> 1:20:04.200 somewhat attached to, like the life that she'd been living 1:20:04.240 --> 1:20:09.080 for eighteen years. Shortly after his arrest, Garrito told KCRATV 1:20:09.200 --> 1:20:12.960 Sacramento in a jailhouse phone interview, quote in the end, 1:20:13.040 --> 1:20:16.679 this is going to be a powerful, heartwarming story end quote. 1:20:17.000 --> 1:20:18.920 And he told them like all about how he turned 1:20:18.960 --> 1:20:20.880 his life around, how he loved his daughters and he 1:20:20.960 --> 1:20:23.720 never harmed them, and his whole life changed once they 1:20:23.760 --> 1:20:29.400 were born. And like, I mean, similar to the end 1:20:29.400 --> 1:20:31.800 of the store of the episode where he's like, I 1:20:31.920 --> 1:20:34.120 mean a lot to these girls, like we actually had 1:20:34.120 --> 1:20:37.479 a great family or whatever. So Nancy's bail gets set 1:20:37.520 --> 1:20:41.080 at thirty million. Garrito is not given bail, duh. And 1:20:41.479 --> 1:20:44.640 on April twenty eight, twenty eleven, there's some back and 1:20:44.720 --> 1:20:46.559 forth where like first they say they're gonna plead guilty, 1:20:46.560 --> 1:20:49.280 they plead not guilty. But eventually, on April twenty eight, 1:20:49.320 --> 1:20:52.760 twenty eleven, the Grito's plead guilty to kidnapping and rape 1:20:52.760 --> 1:20:56.200 by force. He is sentenced to four hundred and thirty 1:20:56.240 --> 1:20:59.360 one years to life. Nancy is sentenced to thirty six 1:20:59.479 --> 1:21:02.759 years to life. I read that she's eligible for parole 1:21:02.880 --> 1:21:05.840 in August of twenty twenty nine, although another source that 1:21:05.920 --> 1:21:07.519 I read said that they can both be up for 1:21:07.560 --> 1:21:08.720 parole in twenty thirty four. 1:21:09.479 --> 1:21:11.559 So well, we got to start. 1:21:11.360 --> 1:21:13.599 Writing yeah, we're gonna yeah, Like I started a letter 1:21:13.640 --> 1:21:15.920 writing campaign. I'm sorry you guys are not allowed out ever, 1:21:16.120 --> 1:21:19.080 Like you got your chance of evading a fifty year sentence, 1:21:19.400 --> 1:21:21.640 you got out of eleven years and you did unspeakable 1:21:21.720 --> 1:21:25.600 fucking crimes. So and the woman, it's like, you know, 1:21:27.040 --> 1:21:28.400 I don't know, It's like, I know, we have like 1:21:28.439 --> 1:21:32.200 a lot of conversations about the abuse that like accomplices 1:21:32.800 --> 1:21:35.560 you know, can sort of yeah, but like she was 1:21:35.640 --> 1:21:37.320 like only with him for like a year when they 1:21:37.400 --> 1:21:41.840 kidnapped JC, so she was just and she met him 1:21:41.880 --> 1:21:46.599 in jail knowing that he was in there for Roace. Yes, yes, exactly, Yeah, 1:21:47.520 --> 1:21:49.800 she knowingly married a rapist in jail, in a jail 1:21:49.840 --> 1:21:53.320 house wedding. So after j C was found alive, the 1:21:53.479 --> 1:21:58.479 Contra Costa County Sheriff, which is where Antioch is, Warren E. 1:21:58.680 --> 1:22:01.160 Erupp he issued it apology to the victims in a 1:22:01.200 --> 1:22:01.839 news conference. 1:22:02.560 --> 1:22:05.960 Were people fired? Were officers fired? Well? 1:22:06.360 --> 1:22:09.120 On November fourth of two thousand and nine, the California 1:22:09.200 --> 1:22:12.720 Office of the Inspector General issued a report then enumerated 1:22:12.800 --> 1:22:16.400 lapses by the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation that 1:22:16.520 --> 1:22:20.880 had contributed to Jac's continued captivity. The central finding was 1:22:20.960 --> 1:22:25.560 that he was incorrectly classified as needing only low level supervision, 1:22:26.120 --> 1:22:28.640 and then every other lapse that happened after that. 1:22:29.160 --> 1:22:31.200 Was born from that massive mistake. 1:22:31.960 --> 1:22:35.120 So in the report the General the Inspector General even 1:22:35.120 --> 1:22:38.120 talked about a point at which a Pearle agent encountered 1:22:38.160 --> 1:22:41.040 a twelve year old girl at the home but accepted 1:22:41.080 --> 1:22:43.800 Gurto's explanation that she was his niece and did nothing 1:22:43.840 --> 1:22:48.280 to verify that. And even when Garrido's brother verified that 1:22:48.360 --> 1:22:50.160 he did not have any children. But I thought that 1:22:50.240 --> 1:22:51.519 was too fucking hard. To pick up the phone and 1:22:51.560 --> 1:22:54.280 find out, like does this man have a niece? Like 1:22:54.360 --> 1:22:58.160 there are public records of people's family members. So there's 1:22:58.280 --> 1:23:00.920 just so many instances of the cat being like right 1:23:01.040 --> 1:23:03.040 there or like not figuring out, and it's like he 1:23:03.240 --> 1:23:05.519 is a rapist, like he should not be. 1:23:05.680 --> 1:23:05.960 He's not. 1:23:06.360 --> 1:23:08.679 I mean, I guess if his trial of the fourteen 1:23:08.760 --> 1:23:11.559 year old had gone to trial, they would be more 1:23:11.960 --> 1:23:14.200 because the woman that he attacked was twenty five, So 1:23:14.240 --> 1:23:17.120 maybe they thought, oh, kids aren't really his mo but 1:23:17.320 --> 1:23:17.599 they are. 1:23:18.000 --> 1:23:21.720 He's insane. So she sued the State of California. 1:23:22.040 --> 1:23:24.599 Good for her and since this psycho was on parol 1:23:24.640 --> 1:23:26.799 with them when she was abducted, and the numerous lapses 1:23:26.800 --> 1:23:29.040 by law enforcement who could have discovered her in captivity 1:23:29.120 --> 1:23:31.200 but did not. In July of twenty ten, she got 1:23:31.200 --> 1:23:34.040 a settlement of twenty million dollars, which is the equivalent 1:23:34.040 --> 1:23:35.559 of twenty eight million in twenty twenty four. 1:23:36.280 --> 1:23:36.639 I read. 1:23:37.720 --> 1:23:40.800 Jac has done horse therapy, among other things, to process 1:23:40.920 --> 1:23:43.320 her trauma. She's written two books. One is called A 1:23:43.360 --> 1:23:46.800 Stolen Life, a memoir and was published in twenty eleven, 1:23:46.840 --> 1:23:49.240 and then Freedom, my book of first in twenty sixteen. 1:23:49.680 --> 1:23:52.120 She learned to drive, she adopted pets. She started checking 1:23:52.160 --> 1:23:53.880 off items from a bucket list that she wrote when 1:23:53.920 --> 1:23:56.800 she was in captivity, like swimming with dolphins, writing in 1:23:56.840 --> 1:23:59.320 a hot air balloon, and going to see pyramids in Belize. 1:24:00.080 --> 1:24:03.000 She told ABC News she's mostly stepped out of public life, 1:24:03.000 --> 1:24:06.519 but she occasionally reappears, like speaking at events and fundraising 1:24:06.560 --> 1:24:10.080 on Facebook, like her foundation that she started raised funds 1:24:10.120 --> 1:24:12.719 to support the Urpin Children, and in May of twenty 1:24:12.800 --> 1:24:16.040 twenty two, she joined Elizabeth Smart in a panel on 1:24:16.200 --> 1:24:19.560 trauma responses for the Malouf Foundation. So she's appeared to 1:24:19.600 --> 1:24:23.880 Elizabeth Smart, but her kidnapping was eighteen years and Elizabeth Smart, 1:24:23.960 --> 1:24:26.640 I believe was gone for one year. So it's like 1:24:26.960 --> 1:24:30.920 and I don't think Elizabeth Smart was impregnated, but it's 1:24:31.080 --> 1:24:38.320 just like so horrific. And that's the details of JC Dugard. 1:24:46.040 --> 1:24:48.720 Our guest today is an actor who you've seen in 1:24:48.840 --> 1:24:52.040 movies like Pathology, State of Play, and Garden State. You've 1:24:52.040 --> 1:24:54.719 also seen him recurring on shows like Scrubs and House, 1:24:55.200 --> 1:24:59.000 but you know him best as Olivia Benson's dipshit brother Simon. 1:24:59.560 --> 1:25:03.240 Please enjoy our interview with the lovely Michael Weston. 1:25:03.880 --> 1:25:04.760 Let's get into this. 1:25:05.000 --> 1:25:07.600 How did you How did you end up in like 1:25:07.720 --> 1:25:11.519 the Sview universe because you did three episodes of season 1:25:11.600 --> 1:25:15.439 eight at where there's like the Discovery of Simon did. 1:25:15.479 --> 1:25:18.320 Like over a span of like twenty Yeah, there's like. 1:25:18.320 --> 1:25:21.000 The Discovery assignment, and then five seasons later they're like 1:25:21.200 --> 1:25:24.439 Simon's gonna lose his kids, and then eight season, nine 1:25:24.479 --> 1:25:25.200 seasons later. 1:25:25.120 --> 1:25:26.519 They're like Simon's dead. 1:25:27.640 --> 1:25:32.920 This yeah, like he just kept getting wrong accusation after 1:25:32.960 --> 1:25:36.879 wrong accusation, but then also making really stupid decisions in response. 1:25:37.640 --> 1:25:40.920 Yeah, he was a their tough and he never really 1:25:41.200 --> 1:25:41.960 got a leg up. 1:25:42.200 --> 1:25:44.080 I don't know how I got involved in it, Like, 1:25:44.280 --> 1:25:45.640 you know, it's just one of those I think, like 1:25:45.760 --> 1:25:48.000 every New York actor finally does SVU. 1:25:48.600 --> 1:25:50.760 It's just like it has to happen for you. It's 1:25:50.800 --> 1:25:51.439 like right past. 1:25:51.479 --> 1:25:53.360 But when you got the audition, was it always for 1:25:54.200 --> 1:25:56.479 like Olivia Benson's brother, because that must have felt like 1:25:56.560 --> 1:26:00.360 pretty bigger than like guy who is a witness whatever. 1:26:00.479 --> 1:26:02.200 You know, I had no idea what it was. 1:26:02.280 --> 1:26:04.920 Honestly, I hadn't even seen the show, and like I 1:26:05.080 --> 1:26:07.320 got offered the role and was like, oh yeah. 1:26:07.240 --> 1:26:08.840 Shooting in New York because I was living in LA 1:26:08.880 --> 1:26:09.720 and I was like, yeah, let's go. 1:26:10.400 --> 1:26:13.200 And so I had a ball doing it because it's 1:26:13.280 --> 1:26:15.760 so rare these days that you get to shoot in 1:26:15.840 --> 1:26:17.080 New York or LA. 1:26:17.400 --> 1:26:18.720 You're always shooting somewhere else. 1:26:18.800 --> 1:26:21.439 So so anytime I get to work in New York, 1:26:21.479 --> 1:26:24.600 I'm excited and uh and this is like the quintessential 1:26:24.760 --> 1:26:28.120 New York show. So as you're you know, I don't 1:26:28.120 --> 1:26:31.559 think i'd watched an episode of of SVU, even though 1:26:31.560 --> 1:26:32.200 I'd seen. 1:26:32.160 --> 1:26:34.800 Like, you know, all the other law and orders over time, 1:26:35.439 --> 1:26:35.840 and but. 1:26:35.920 --> 1:26:37.479 It's it's one of those things that if you live 1:26:37.560 --> 1:26:39.559 in New York, it's just like it's always shooting down 1:26:39.600 --> 1:26:42.000 your block and you're like, oh, that's. 1:26:41.760 --> 1:26:45.080 Traffic, and you got an offer, and I got an offer, 1:26:46.120 --> 1:26:48.120 you offer it to me on New York. I'm gone, 1:26:48.240 --> 1:26:49.280 I'm on the plane, let's go. 1:26:49.640 --> 1:26:54.519 Do you got stopped by people? Because I do, Yeah, 1:26:54.640 --> 1:26:54.840 I do. 1:26:55.400 --> 1:27:01.040 If they can put together the goatee, especially, they're like, yeah, 1:27:01.160 --> 1:27:03.479 I mean yeah, I think that show has I mean people, 1:27:03.840 --> 1:27:05.960 you know, the beauty of that show is that it 1:27:06.080 --> 1:27:09.560 actually like changes people's lives, like it like, you know, 1:27:09.720 --> 1:27:13.160 people like it touches them and gets them, you know, 1:27:13.520 --> 1:27:16.920 in their guts and so and so what I always 1:27:17.160 --> 1:27:20.479 refined astounding about it is that people are like really 1:27:20.640 --> 1:27:23.479 moved by it all, and so they you know, they 1:27:23.840 --> 1:27:27.360 they speak sort of passionately and truthfully about it, and 1:27:27.880 --> 1:27:29.000 and it stops me in my try. 1:27:29.120 --> 1:27:29.240 You know. 1:27:29.280 --> 1:27:31.519 It's one of those things I always feel as an actor, 1:27:31.560 --> 1:27:33.920 you're so you're so lucky to do this period. 1:27:35.080 --> 1:27:37.720 But then if you know, if anyone cares about your 1:27:37.760 --> 1:27:39.920 work and all that, it's you know, it's big bonus. 1:27:39.960 --> 1:27:42.680 So it's yeah, and Simon's journey is tough, and I'm 1:27:42.720 --> 1:27:46.559 sure people relate to it. And that final episode, like Mauritia, 1:27:46.960 --> 1:27:50.200 I mean, Olivia Benson's going to live with that guilt forever. 1:27:50.840 --> 1:27:51.200 She is. 1:27:51.520 --> 1:27:53.240 She is that voice Smail was me. 1:27:54.120 --> 1:27:55.920 She really, you know, she was sort of there for 1:27:56.040 --> 1:27:58.439 me and then she was like not there for twenty years, 1:27:58.520 --> 1:28:00.280 so and then she was there for me for like 1:28:00.360 --> 1:28:05.080 a second when I had my kid, and yeah, it 1:28:05.200 --> 1:28:07.760 was really you know, it was funny we had I 1:28:08.160 --> 1:28:11.599 remember that the first go around of those first episodes 1:28:11.640 --> 1:28:14.160 because it was so you know, it's such like heightened 1:28:14.280 --> 1:28:17.720 drama and like I've I've done terrible things, but I 1:28:17.800 --> 1:28:20.479 haven't done terrible things, but I maybe I did sort 1:28:20.479 --> 1:28:21.320 of do terrible. 1:28:21.120 --> 1:28:22.639 Things, and I'm like, I'm not a great guy. 1:28:22.720 --> 1:28:26.040 And then I'm holding everyone at gunpoint and everyone's yelling 1:28:26.040 --> 1:28:28.360 at each other and it was really fun. 1:28:28.720 --> 1:28:31.880 Yeah, you got to do Kim Delaney episode. 1:28:33.439 --> 1:28:36.639 And she was the bad one, wasn't she there? Yeah, 1:28:37.600 --> 1:28:38.760 I haven't forgiven her. 1:28:39.600 --> 1:28:40.320 Set you up. 1:28:41.120 --> 1:28:44.559 When I was looking you up, obviously doing some digging 1:28:44.760 --> 1:28:47.360 for this, I was seeing that you come from like 1:28:47.479 --> 1:28:52.479 this long line of musicians and piano players and like 1:28:52.640 --> 1:28:56.599 virtuosos and stuff like what and then severe to acting 1:28:56.840 --> 1:28:58.600 like what tell us the story of that? 1:28:59.240 --> 1:28:59.720 Yeah? Yeah. 1:29:00.080 --> 1:29:04.200 My grandfather was Arthur Rubinstein, like very very famous concert 1:29:04.280 --> 1:29:07.479 pianist and amazing and sort of like I didn't know 1:29:07.840 --> 1:29:10.439 much about it until I was like ten, eleven, twelve, 1:29:11.760 --> 1:29:13.640 and he was just sort of my grandfather, but he's this, 1:29:13.840 --> 1:29:17.760 you know, he's sort of iconic pianist, sort of one 1:29:17.800 --> 1:29:18.360 of the greats. 1:29:18.439 --> 1:29:20.920 Yeah, and so that that's part of that, you know, 1:29:21.000 --> 1:29:23.080 it's a sort of peripheral part of my life, but 1:29:23.439 --> 1:29:25.240 a big part of it, but more from a sort 1:29:25.280 --> 1:29:26.920 of familial standpoint. 1:29:26.479 --> 1:29:29.520 But like my dad was is an actor, John Rubinstein, 1:29:29.560 --> 1:29:32.439 and so he has done a lot of theater, and 1:29:32.800 --> 1:29:35.720 he did like he was like the original Pippin. He 1:29:35.960 --> 1:29:38.599 wanted Tony for Children of a Lesser God. Like he's 1:29:38.600 --> 1:29:39.639 a wonderful actor. 1:29:39.520 --> 1:29:40.599 The original Pippin. 1:29:40.800 --> 1:29:41.040 Wow. 1:29:41.120 --> 1:29:45.600 Yeah, like he's the old Guard and and still like 1:29:45.760 --> 1:29:47.840 right now, I just had dinner with him last night, 1:29:47.880 --> 1:29:52.439 and he's going he's gonna star in the musical tour 1:29:52.760 --> 1:29:53.680 of the Notebook. 1:29:53.760 --> 1:29:56.720 He's going for ten months at like, you know, eighty 1:29:56.800 --> 1:29:59.720 years old around and I'm like, wow, yeah, I know. 1:30:01.080 --> 1:30:04.000 So he So that's my That was my transition really 1:30:04.160 --> 1:30:09.479 as a kid. My dad found acting, musical theater, all 1:30:09.520 --> 1:30:12.800 that stuff. And so I grew up basically in New 1:30:12.880 --> 1:30:15.960 York City, and I would sort of spend a large 1:30:16.080 --> 1:30:19.320 chunk of my time backstage, you know, playing in like 1:30:19.400 --> 1:30:22.400 the Broadway Show League, like softball teams and hanging out 1:30:22.439 --> 1:30:25.360 with all these actors and you know, and uh and 1:30:25.520 --> 1:30:27.519 I I mean honestly, I didn't. 1:30:27.720 --> 1:30:30.160 I didn't. I wasn't gonna be my trajectory at all. 1:30:30.200 --> 1:30:31.720 I didn't. I wanted to play baseball, but. 1:30:31.920 --> 1:30:34.760 I was never realized I was not built for that 1:30:35.880 --> 1:30:38.320 and uh and so then like, yeah, when I got 1:30:38.400 --> 1:30:41.000 to school in Northwestern, I got into theater, but it 1:30:41.120 --> 1:30:43.519 was it was mostly through him, and he's you know, 1:30:43.680 --> 1:30:46.120 I I got to live backstage, and you see, what 1:30:46.240 --> 1:30:49.720 a sort of wonderful what a wonderful like life that is, 1:30:50.600 --> 1:30:51.200 the life of. 1:30:51.800 --> 1:30:53.759 A theater actor in New York is sort of amazing. 1:30:53.880 --> 1:30:57.679 Any back stage stories you can share, I mean. 1:30:59.280 --> 1:31:02.920 There's nothing, really, you know, nothing really amazing about that. 1:31:03.680 --> 1:31:05.960 I don't know. I you know, I think I sat 1:31:06.040 --> 1:31:08.560 on wonder Woman's lap and I embarrassed myself. That's about it. 1:31:08.720 --> 1:31:11.240 Oh my gosh. Wait, your dad was the judge in 1:31:11.320 --> 1:31:12.280 the episode raw. 1:31:15.040 --> 1:31:17.479 Oh see, I tell you every New York actor is that. 1:31:17.640 --> 1:31:20.559 This is one of our favorite episodes. Michael. Oh really 1:31:20.760 --> 1:31:24.200 and the shoot he gets shot? Oh he gets shot, 1:31:24.560 --> 1:31:24.960 get shot. 1:31:25.080 --> 1:31:28.599 Yes, there's a there's like a Nazi shootout, White supremacist shootout. 1:31:29.720 --> 1:31:34.440 Belser gets shot. Like stay, Marcia gay Harden's in that episode. 1:31:34.800 --> 1:31:39.040 Oh wow, wow, wow, your dad shot in that one. 1:31:39.880 --> 1:31:41.720 Oh no, I'm sorry, it's a good one. 1:31:42.000 --> 1:31:45.639 And I quote your parole officer's parents haven't even been 1:31:45.720 --> 1:31:46.240 born yet. 1:31:47.040 --> 1:31:50.000 Oh yeah, we say that around the famous around the house, 1:31:51.720 --> 1:31:52.479 slinging around. 1:31:52.880 --> 1:31:55.080 I can't believe it. So did you play piano as 1:31:55.120 --> 1:31:55.400 a kid? 1:31:56.280 --> 1:31:59.960 Yeah, poorly. I used to go to my piano teacher 1:32:00.080 --> 1:32:01.000 and I'd like, I'd try. 1:32:01.080 --> 1:32:02.640 I knew I had an hour there and it was 1:32:02.760 --> 1:32:05.320 like jail time, so I would like try and figure 1:32:05.320 --> 1:32:07.960 out how to like get through it without playing the piano. 1:32:07.720 --> 1:32:09.800 Which I never like practice. So I'd be like, Yo, 1:32:09.880 --> 1:32:10.439 I'm starving. 1:32:10.520 --> 1:32:12.120 Can I get like a like a PB and J 1:32:12.400 --> 1:32:14.600 And then like, I'm thirsty, could we like cook up 1:32:14.680 --> 1:32:16.280 like a little like you know, milkshake or like. 1:32:16.280 --> 1:32:16.920 A little what what? 1:32:17.000 --> 1:32:17.040 What? 1:32:17.160 --> 1:32:19.040 He got back there? But it was in the print. 1:32:19.200 --> 1:32:20.680 And then I'd sit there and try and talk to 1:32:20.720 --> 1:32:22.479 her about my life and like string it out and 1:32:22.520 --> 1:32:23.680 she's like, all right now we got to play some 1:32:23.760 --> 1:32:24.400 fucking scales. 1:32:24.800 --> 1:32:29.600 Tyll. Okay, wait back to the s VU of it all, 1:32:29.680 --> 1:32:33.920 because we obviously talk about So do you remember Andre 1:32:34.080 --> 1:32:35.400 Brower being on sete? 1:32:35.439 --> 1:32:39.479 Oh? Yeah, I loved him, I of I mean I 1:32:39.600 --> 1:32:40.559 had that one episode. 1:32:40.560 --> 1:32:42.360 I didn't know him before that, but we just hit 1:32:42.439 --> 1:32:45.080 it off because he's such a lovely fellow and. 1:32:46.560 --> 1:32:48.880 He's just one of those amazing actors who has. 1:32:48.800 --> 1:32:52.360 This like you know, like I was like a fan 1:32:52.479 --> 1:32:56.479 of his forever and you know, uh, and and he 1:32:56.640 --> 1:32:59.320 had just he was so humble and he was in 1:32:59.439 --> 1:33:02.280 this role on this you know, one episode of SVU. 1:33:02.840 --> 1:33:04.240 He had no ego about it. 1:33:04.360 --> 1:33:06.160 He was just like the life of the party and 1:33:06.360 --> 1:33:09.600 just like the kindest I just loved him and so 1:33:09.680 --> 1:33:10.879 we hit it off on that episode. 1:33:10.920 --> 1:33:13.439 And you're in this episode when he's playing your lawyer. 1:33:13.960 --> 1:33:16.519 His wife is the judge, his real life wife. 1:33:17.200 --> 1:33:18.960 Oh was that so I didn't even know that. Yeah, 1:33:19.920 --> 1:33:21.800 you're like in the room with like I had the 1:33:21.840 --> 1:33:22.719 whole Brower family. 1:33:22.800 --> 1:33:25.400 Yeah, you had the whole back and forth. It was. 1:33:26.280 --> 1:33:28.479 It's it's great working on those shows because you meet 1:33:28.560 --> 1:33:31.519 all these actors that have you know, just they they've 1:33:31.560 --> 1:33:33.560 all been in New York forever and so you you 1:33:33.720 --> 1:33:36.720 know so many different people, and you know, like, uh, 1:33:37.040 --> 1:33:40.240 it's the sort of hang outside of the shooting, like 1:33:40.320 --> 1:33:42.280 you you shoot your thing, but the hang outside of it, 1:33:42.439 --> 1:33:44.880 just being around New York and you have lunch somewhere 1:33:44.920 --> 1:33:47.160 outside of you know, catering, and you walk around the 1:33:47.240 --> 1:33:49.960 city and you're I don't know, I always love love 1:33:50.040 --> 1:33:52.360 working on those shows because you you have this sort 1:33:52.400 --> 1:33:55.880 of you know, alternative like backstage existence with. 1:33:55.920 --> 1:33:57.719 All the actors where you're all just like fucking around 1:33:57.720 --> 1:33:59.960 and having a good time. That's great. Have you been 1:34:00.240 --> 1:34:01.960 on set? Have you gotten to know any of the 1:34:02.160 --> 1:34:03.240 sort of peace some. 1:34:03.280 --> 1:34:05.960 Of the regulars on the on the pod? But I 1:34:06.080 --> 1:34:06.960 haven't been to the set. 1:34:07.000 --> 1:34:09.719 I mean the dream is when we finally interview Marishka, 1:34:09.840 --> 1:34:12.840 that we can go to see her in her workplace 1:34:13.080 --> 1:34:16.000 and oh. 1:34:14.800 --> 1:34:19.120 Yeah, she's the best. She's like the mother head of 1:34:19.200 --> 1:34:21.760 the place and she like is so professional, but. 1:34:21.880 --> 1:34:23.840 She takes care of everyone. I mean, at least in 1:34:23.920 --> 1:34:26.880 my working experience. So there was awesome and it felt 1:34:26.960 --> 1:34:30.400 like family and she uh, yeah, she's a great person. 1:34:30.600 --> 1:34:30.720 You know. 1:34:31.040 --> 1:34:33.400 What's amazing is like she's been on that show forever 1:34:33.600 --> 1:34:36.920 and ninety nine percent of the actors would start phoning 1:34:37.000 --> 1:34:38.120 it in at some point. 1:34:38.560 --> 1:34:39.280 And she doesn't. 1:34:39.640 --> 1:34:42.400 Yeah, you know, like and she doesn't take any of 1:34:42.479 --> 1:34:45.000 it for granted, or any of the people that that 1:34:45.320 --> 1:34:47.679 you know, in my circles I was working with for granted. 1:34:47.760 --> 1:34:50.320 And so you have this I mean, that's why it 1:34:50.720 --> 1:34:52.880 continues in the way that it does because it's like, 1:34:53.439 --> 1:34:56.080 you know, the Captain of the ship is formidable, and 1:34:56.200 --> 1:34:58.640 she's passionate about it, and you know she's got her 1:34:58.680 --> 1:35:00.600 whole charity on the side and all that stuff. But 1:35:00.720 --> 1:35:02.960 I you know, she comes out here and does all 1:35:03.000 --> 1:35:05.360 these things with it, and it's she's the sort of 1:35:05.400 --> 1:35:07.800 amazing person to steerhead. 1:35:07.400 --> 1:35:07.880 Something like that. 1:35:08.880 --> 1:35:10.600 Yeah, I think it's the only reason the show is 1:35:10.600 --> 1:35:13.640 still on. Honestly, Oh for sure, without a doubt. You 1:35:13.760 --> 1:35:15.640 can't do it and it's hard to keep up. Like 1:35:16.040 --> 1:35:17.960 it's a grind, that show, even if you're doing like 1:35:18.080 --> 1:35:19.479 three episodes of it in a. 1:35:19.560 --> 1:35:21.479 Row, like and then like in her free time, she's like, 1:35:21.520 --> 1:35:25.639 please let me do Broadway and then walked Aboudison Square 1:35:25.680 --> 1:35:26.799 Garden for the next. 1:35:26.880 --> 1:35:30.320 Well, yeah you heard that right. She had a two 1:35:30.400 --> 1:35:32.839 show days. So she did the matinee for that Wednesday 1:35:32.920 --> 1:35:35.960 game four. So she did the matinee, did her seven o'clock, 1:35:36.040 --> 1:35:38.920 shaved off four minutes off the play, and then I 1:35:39.040 --> 1:35:42.519 did ten blocks to the game to get their time. 1:35:43.080 --> 1:35:47.519 Dude, I love those stories. That's like such New York actresses. 1:35:47.560 --> 1:35:50.240 Well then people are like, can you imagine like seeing Muritia, 1:35:50.320 --> 1:35:52.360 I bet people like were losing their minds. 1:35:52.200 --> 1:35:57.240 Just like speaking so I have, like with my dad 1:35:57.320 --> 1:35:59.679 one time, because my dad was doing a show called 1:35:59.760 --> 1:36:03.479 k Mutiny Court Martial with this wonderful actor j O Sanders, 1:36:03.520 --> 1:36:05.960 another great actor who's probably been a SVU a ton, 1:36:06.520 --> 1:36:10.240 and and we wanted to see like Return of the Jedi. 1:36:10.360 --> 1:36:13.439 It was like a kid in between shows, and so 1:36:13.720 --> 1:36:16.519 like he did his matinee and then we ran across 1:36:16.600 --> 1:36:19.200 town and we watched like Return of the Jedi, and 1:36:19.240 --> 1:36:21.120 then like their show was starting. You have to be 1:36:21.200 --> 1:36:22.920 there for half hour, and they missed it, and they 1:36:23.040 --> 1:36:26.040 like literally like ran on stage, and I just love it. 1:36:26.120 --> 1:36:26.439 I love that. 1:36:26.479 --> 1:36:28.760 It's just like such a New York theater actor thing, 1:36:28.880 --> 1:36:30.439 being like what can I get away with this show? 1:36:31.240 --> 1:36:34.240 Well? Because also like obviously a Broadway schedule is very 1:36:34.280 --> 1:36:36.559 grueling and that's what it's known for. But then I'm thinking, 1:36:36.640 --> 1:36:40.240 I'm like, she's doing sixteen hour days. I'm sure like, yeah, 1:36:40.280 --> 1:36:42.439 Broadways kind of a chiller experience for her. 1:36:42.680 --> 1:36:44.640 It's certain, No, it's so much easier you kidding me. 1:36:44.720 --> 1:36:46.080 It's like you have your entire day. 1:36:46.240 --> 1:36:48.360 That's why, like the Broadway schedule is the best you have, 1:36:48.479 --> 1:36:51.040 Like you know, your two hour show at night and 1:36:51.160 --> 1:36:53.000 you have all day free and then you know, you 1:36:53.200 --> 1:36:54.040 just hang around. 1:36:54.200 --> 1:36:57.080 You gotta take care of your Like that's what I think. Yeah, 1:36:57.200 --> 1:37:01.439 night there Like the body and voice is yeah, yeah, 1:37:01.479 --> 1:37:01.880 you get. 1:37:01.800 --> 1:37:04.720 Ragged, get ragged. Yeah, that that is that's the sort 1:37:04.720 --> 1:37:06.000 of anxiety behind it all. 1:37:06.520 --> 1:37:11.519 What are your go to on set snacks, my croft 1:37:11.600 --> 1:37:12.599 service moments? 1:37:13.600 --> 1:37:15.559 I like I like to like, you know, the hot 1:37:15.640 --> 1:37:17.920 food sort of offerings that come out. They're always a 1:37:17.960 --> 1:37:21.160 little collected, a little risky. You could you could find yourself, 1:37:21.960 --> 1:37:23.280 you know, regretting it later. 1:37:23.400 --> 1:37:24.960 But you know, I like living on the. 1:37:25.040 --> 1:37:27.120 Edge, so I'll take some of those hot offerings in 1:37:27.160 --> 1:37:30.000 the sort of mid the mid like late night meals 1:37:30.160 --> 1:37:34.960 like uh like a ta yeah, a tilapia and a 1:37:35.000 --> 1:37:39.120 little serving train. No I I never do the fish. 1:37:39.280 --> 1:37:41.160 I rarely do the fish. And that's just because of 1:37:41.240 --> 1:37:43.200 the movie Airplane and it has nothing to do for 1:37:43.320 --> 1:37:48.400 literally anything else. It's just because I have paranoia. No 1:37:48.640 --> 1:37:51.519 I you know, I go, I go sweets usually I go, 1:37:52.280 --> 1:37:54.799 I go. If there's a donut, I'm fucked. 1:37:55.920 --> 1:38:00.439 A donut will take me down immediately, and then uh yeah, goes, 1:38:00.520 --> 1:38:00.720 I'll go. 1:38:01.080 --> 1:38:01.280 I'll go. 1:38:01.439 --> 1:38:03.559 I'll do some I never eat candy but on set, 1:38:03.600 --> 1:38:04.200 I'll eat candy. 1:38:05.200 --> 1:38:07.200 Yeah, like when they have like a big ass tub 1:38:07.280 --> 1:38:11.519 of those jelly bellies, I'm always say that's another one 1:38:11.600 --> 1:38:12.040 and another. 1:38:12.160 --> 1:38:14.120 It's like, right, you take. 1:38:13.960 --> 1:38:16.439 Sort of like some nuts take all of this and 1:38:16.520 --> 1:38:19.080 then now fuck do some jelly bellies and a handful 1:38:19.120 --> 1:38:19.760 of Eminem's. 1:38:19.800 --> 1:38:25.200 And that's true. We're all children at craft services. 1:38:25.320 --> 1:38:25.960 You regress. 1:38:26.760 --> 1:38:29.160 That's not your like rice Krispy Treats and candy. 1:38:30.800 --> 1:38:33.960 Wait, I'm just clopped in your IMDb that you were 1:38:34.000 --> 1:38:36.240 in Coyote Ugly, which is one of my favorite movies 1:38:36.280 --> 1:38:36.760 of all time. 1:38:36.880 --> 1:38:42.880 Oh yeah, oh yeah, that's where I met Piper and 1:38:43.120 --> 1:38:47.760 Melanie too. Wonderful just friends and actresses and yeah, that 1:38:47.840 --> 1:38:48.160 was great. 1:38:48.320 --> 1:38:50.120 That was like one of my first Yeah, it was 1:38:50.160 --> 1:38:51.800 like I was looking it was one of your early 1:38:52.560 --> 1:38:53.400 your early gids. 1:38:54.600 --> 1:38:59.760 Yeah, I remember, Yeah, that was That was Jerry Bruckheimer 1:38:59.840 --> 1:39:03.920 and I and I only met him one time and 1:39:04.000 --> 1:39:06.000 then I saw him, I think when I was really 1:39:06.120 --> 1:39:10.000 drunk in Prague on another movie and and I reintroduced 1:39:10.080 --> 1:39:12.400 myself to him and he's like, it's it's Michael, It's 1:39:12.640 --> 1:39:13.080 I'm Jerry. 1:39:13.160 --> 1:39:17.760 And I was like, hasn't hired me, since what. 1:39:17.920 --> 1:39:21.160 Other SVU memories do you have of any of the epps? 1:39:22.200 --> 1:39:25.000 Oh gosh, you know, I was thinking of something today, 1:39:25.040 --> 1:39:27.679 but I realized it was on Elementary, which is sort 1:39:27.680 --> 1:39:31.240 of like those two things are like they meld to 1:39:31.320 --> 1:39:33.080 me because they're just all in New York and they 1:39:33.120 --> 1:39:35.240 had a sort of similar I was like a weird 1:39:35.360 --> 1:39:37.880 junkie on that that was like the nemesis of the 1:39:38.200 --> 1:39:39.240 and so like it all sort of. 1:39:39.320 --> 1:39:41.880 I was like Lucy Lou and we were No, it's 1:39:41.920 --> 1:39:47.320 not the same thing, Lucy directed, I mean, it connects 1:39:47.520 --> 1:39:51.439 all New Yorker's connected and SVU no matter what. 1:39:52.080 --> 1:39:55.479 Yeah, I mean, you know, to me, it's so to me. 1:39:55.640 --> 1:39:58.400 Most of the sort of memories of that were you know, 1:39:58.520 --> 1:40:00.600 with Mariska and just sort of doing thing and just 1:40:00.760 --> 1:40:02.920 like you know, being a New York actor in New 1:40:03.000 --> 1:40:05.479 York and getting to sort of you know, tread the 1:40:05.520 --> 1:40:07.439 boards there and get a little. 1:40:07.280 --> 1:40:09.360 Piece of New York in your system for a while. 1:40:09.479 --> 1:40:12.760 That's that's usually where you know, shooting shooting there, you 1:40:12.840 --> 1:40:15.400 shooting all these sort of fun locations, and when you're 1:40:15.400 --> 1:40:18.360 shooting in the city, it's just the best. Yeah, And 1:40:18.520 --> 1:40:21.560 having grown up there, you you have a you know, 1:40:21.680 --> 1:40:24.200 you have a like a sort of professional idea of 1:40:24.280 --> 1:40:26.439 and a kid's perspective on it, and it's all the 1:40:26.479 --> 1:40:27.080 same building. 1:40:27.120 --> 1:40:28.640 You know, what neighborhood did you grow up in? 1:40:30.240 --> 1:40:34.800 I grew up on seventy six and West End. Yeah. Yeah, 1:40:35.280 --> 1:40:37.040 it was awesome, and it was like, you know, it 1:40:37.160 --> 1:40:39.559 was very sort of middle class. Now it's a little 1:40:39.600 --> 1:40:43.240 hoity tody. Yeah, it wasn't that. When I was growing up. 1:40:43.280 --> 1:40:45.240 The West Side was very just sort of chill. 1:40:45.600 --> 1:40:47.719 I lived on eighty yea, it was just like Jewish 1:40:47.760 --> 1:40:48.559 and chill. 1:40:49.200 --> 1:40:53.639 I lived on and Amsterdam for like eleven ar Yeah, 1:40:53.720 --> 1:40:55.160 oh really, yeah right. 1:40:55.400 --> 1:40:58.760 Those are my stopping bars. 1:40:59.000 --> 1:41:01.080 My mom lived right behind bars, and that was our 1:41:01.200 --> 1:41:03.920 go to and she used to like go I think 1:41:03.960 --> 1:41:05.720 she used to. I think she did when she was 1:41:05.760 --> 1:41:09.120 still living there. So I think I came for SVU 1:41:09.520 --> 1:41:12.280 and she we'd go to Zay Bars. We'd get like 1:41:12.320 --> 1:41:14.720 a coffee and like a ham and cheese croissan. We'd 1:41:14.720 --> 1:41:16.519 go down to the Riverside Park and she would like 1:41:16.600 --> 1:41:18.680 run lines with me, and that was that was our 1:41:19.760 --> 1:41:23.160 She was. She was an old actress and so if 1:41:23.200 --> 1:41:25.719 you ever saw the Fortune Cookie, she was an actress 1:41:25.760 --> 1:41:28.360 in that so she used to she stopped acting, but 1:41:28.479 --> 1:41:30.240 she used to run all my lines and sort of 1:41:30.280 --> 1:41:31.120 got me into this thing. 1:41:31.320 --> 1:41:31.880 So nice. 1:41:32.280 --> 1:41:33.040 I know, it's cute. 1:41:33.760 --> 1:41:36.519 When you did these first eight episod these first three 1:41:36.560 --> 1:41:38.799 episodes of season eight ones, did you work with Christopher 1:41:38.840 --> 1:41:39.519 Maloney too. 1:41:39.960 --> 1:41:43.040 Yeah, yeah, for sure he was. I met him up 1:41:43.080 --> 1:41:47.800 in Williamstown, which is another staple of New York sort 1:41:47.800 --> 1:41:49.800 of the best like young theater. 1:41:50.320 --> 1:41:52.680 Yeah he was, you know, yeah, we we worked on that. 1:41:52.800 --> 1:41:55.840 I think the first go around. I don't remember him 1:41:55.840 --> 1:41:58.000 from the other ones. Maybe he was off the show 1:41:58.080 --> 1:41:59.200 by that time, but. 1:41:59.760 --> 1:42:02.080 He I met him up, like he left in season twelve, 1:42:02.160 --> 1:42:03.880 So your last two episodes he would have been gone, 1:42:03.920 --> 1:42:05.600 but those first three were you're introduced. 1:42:05.720 --> 1:42:07.519 Yeah, first three I was. He was definitely there. 1:42:07.640 --> 1:42:11.280 He was great and he's a great, really funny, excellent actor. 1:42:11.439 --> 1:42:14.040 And yeah, I met him up in Williamstown, which is 1:42:14.120 --> 1:42:16.400 like the sort of summer theater of New York. But 1:42:16.479 --> 1:42:19.479 it's also just like it's a great place. It's a 1:42:19.520 --> 1:42:21.840 great place for like young actors to go. And I 1:42:22.040 --> 1:42:24.400 don't know if it is still, but it used to be. 1:42:24.760 --> 1:42:28.600 And uh, and like that's where I met like, like, 1:42:28.960 --> 1:42:32.000 you know, other wonderful like Catherine Hahn. I went to 1:42:32.040 --> 1:42:34.639 school there, but like she was up there, and Charlie 1:42:34.760 --> 1:42:37.040 Day and Jimmy Simpson and all these sort of really 1:42:37.320 --> 1:42:41.200 wonderful young actors would go up there and we'd work 1:42:41.280 --> 1:42:44.400 as like non equity and worship all the equity actors 1:42:44.439 --> 1:42:47.479 who want to be like them and uh and uh 1:42:47.600 --> 1:42:50.160 yeah that was a great place to do theater another 1:42:50.280 --> 1:42:50.960 sort of Yeah. 1:42:51.000 --> 1:42:53.559 Yeah, we've talked to other guests of dun Williams Town. 1:42:53.600 --> 1:42:56.240 Everybody always says, like, what a formative experience. 1:42:56.280 --> 1:42:58.400 It was so awesome. Scott Wolfe was up there in 1:42:58.479 --> 1:43:01.320 his like Heyday party five times. 1:43:01.560 --> 1:43:04.519 Yeah, all the girls were like, he was on my wall, man, 1:43:04.600 --> 1:43:08.760 he was on my wall. Oh yeah, I love that. 1:43:08.880 --> 1:43:11.320 You your mom would run lines. 1:43:12.120 --> 1:43:15.360 Oh yeah, she's played like everyone that's you know, she's 1:43:15.400 --> 1:43:17.439 played like you know, like on that she was like, 1:43:17.560 --> 1:43:20.400 you know, killing me and like whatever, shooting me down, 1:43:20.680 --> 1:43:21.080 calling me. 1:43:22.080 --> 1:43:24.240 When they brought you back for season twenty one, were 1:43:24.280 --> 1:43:26.439 you like, all right, Simon's back in the mix and 1:43:26.520 --> 1:43:29.120 then like you read the script, Shit, I'm dead. 1:43:30.200 --> 1:43:32.120 I mean that it was. 1:43:32.439 --> 1:43:33.360 It was great to go. 1:43:33.520 --> 1:43:33.960 Back on it. 1:43:34.040 --> 1:43:37.439 And see everyone again and it was really fun. Yeah, 1:43:38.200 --> 1:43:39.000 I mean I can't. 1:43:39.200 --> 1:43:39.479 I don't. 1:43:39.680 --> 1:43:41.760 I mean I think I died pretty quickly on that. 1:43:41.840 --> 1:43:44.920 I sort I was like hi and then but uh, 1:43:45.200 --> 1:43:47.320 but yeah, it was it was it came out of nowhere. 1:43:47.400 --> 1:43:49.560 I was like with my wife's family, I think in 1:43:50.120 --> 1:43:52.479 Pennsylvania and we were sort of it was like in summer, 1:43:52.479 --> 1:43:52.960 and they're. 1:43:52.800 --> 1:43:54.519 Like, hey, why don't you do SVU one more time? 1:43:54.560 --> 1:43:57.160 And I was like, really, it's like twenty years later, 1:43:57.360 --> 1:43:59.000 and I was like, all right, what am I doing? 1:43:59.640 --> 1:44:02.680 And it was fun. So I just I zipped into 1:44:02.720 --> 1:44:03.600 the city and I did it. 1:44:03.680 --> 1:44:05.960 And that was They have to just keep torturing Olivia 1:44:06.080 --> 1:44:08.519 with various deaths and horrible thing. 1:44:10.400 --> 1:44:11.960 Who can we get rid of that? 1:44:12.960 --> 1:44:16.439 They have to bring back your daughter Olivia at some point, 1:44:16.600 --> 1:44:20.240 like she has a living niece, right, yeah, you got 1:44:20.360 --> 1:44:24.160 to get her back like she was one in season 1:44:24.200 --> 1:44:24.680 twenty one. 1:44:24.920 --> 1:44:27.120 Hey, that's a really good idea. I'm going to float 1:44:27.120 --> 1:44:27.759 that to the writers. 1:44:27.760 --> 1:44:28.920 We've got to get her back in there. 1:44:28.960 --> 1:44:31.800 That's not bad. Maybe I could like I could haunt 1:44:31.880 --> 1:44:34.520 at least in like you know somewhere. 1:44:35.760 --> 1:44:37.640 Flashbacks. They can bring you in for flashbacks. 1:44:37.760 --> 1:44:41.479 Yeah, exactly, exactly, some nurturing time. Yeah, we went to 1:44:41.600 --> 1:44:42.479 the park the zoo. 1:44:43.680 --> 1:44:46.439 Are you working on anything now or things coming out 1:44:46.520 --> 1:44:47.599 that you're excited about? 1:44:48.479 --> 1:44:49.560 Yeah, I'm so. 1:44:49.720 --> 1:44:52.880 I've recently I've done I've sort of started this little 1:44:52.920 --> 1:44:55.959 company called Early Bird Pictures and uh, and we're producing 1:44:56.040 --> 1:44:57.519 a bunch of stuff now. 1:44:57.720 --> 1:44:59.679 So we're just getting off the ground. 1:45:00.080 --> 1:45:03.000 Have a couple of films that we just got some 1:45:03.240 --> 1:45:06.360 dough for, so hopefully that's gonna happen, and we're gonna 1:45:06.360 --> 1:45:09.120 have a couple announcements coming. I've written a couple of 1:45:09.160 --> 1:45:12.200 films that we have just the beginnings of dough for, 1:45:12.479 --> 1:45:14.920 so I'm hoping to direct one of those and get 1:45:14.960 --> 1:45:15.360 those up. 1:45:15.840 --> 1:45:17.640 So that's that's what I've been sort of busy with 1:45:17.760 --> 1:45:18.760 over the last two years. 1:45:18.840 --> 1:45:21.280 And I thought it would be this really like smooth 1:45:21.320 --> 1:45:24.439 and easy segue because I felt like I had such 1:45:24.479 --> 1:45:27.320 a nice foothold in this biz. But it's it's a 1:45:27.360 --> 1:45:30.519 whole other job producing and uh, and I'm learning it 1:45:30.680 --> 1:45:33.760 like a startup company. So we're we're doing that. It's 1:45:33.800 --> 1:45:34.240 been great. 1:45:34.360 --> 1:45:36.760 It's been a total adventure and we'll see where these 1:45:36.800 --> 1:45:38.400 films go. But I think we're gonna are The. 1:45:40.640 --> 1:45:43.600 Things I wrote are a romantic comedy and a and 1:45:43.680 --> 1:45:47.760 an action comedy. And then uh, and then we have, 1:45:48.080 --> 1:45:51.960 you know, a couple. One is as a film based 1:45:52.080 --> 1:45:58.639 on a beautiful book called The Dressmakers of Auschwitz about 1:45:58.720 --> 1:46:04.400 these these women who basically sort of stayed together and 1:46:04.520 --> 1:46:07.719 knit their way out of Auschwitz. It's a true story 1:46:08.520 --> 1:46:10.320 and it's just a it's based on a New York 1:46:10.320 --> 1:46:13.320 Times bestseller, beautiful book. 1:46:13.840 --> 1:46:16.479 And so we're we we've adapted that, we're adapting it 1:46:16.520 --> 1:46:18.160 to a script and we're getting that out. 1:46:18.760 --> 1:46:22.040 And then we've got another one which is sort of 1:46:22.920 --> 1:46:27.600 a dark, sort of romantic thriller that we're working on 1:46:28.360 --> 1:46:30.720 that we just got funded, so that should be coming 1:46:30.760 --> 1:46:33.040 out soon. I mean, we have to make it and everything, 1:46:33.120 --> 1:46:35.920 but we're doing a little deadline thing on that pretty 1:46:35.960 --> 1:46:40.320 soon and then we'll see, we'll see what else. I mean, 1:46:40.360 --> 1:46:42.439 that's sort of you know, that's the first things. We've 1:46:42.439 --> 1:46:44.479 got a couple of TV shows we're working on as well, 1:46:44.600 --> 1:46:46.200 so we'll see where it all goes. 1:46:46.680 --> 1:46:49.240 This has been so fun, though, Michael, thank you so 1:46:49.400 --> 1:46:51.920 much for I can't wait to hopefully see your rom 1:46:52.040 --> 1:46:53.519 com Yeah. 1:46:53.880 --> 1:46:54.200 Me too. 1:46:54.560 --> 1:46:57.240 It's fun. 1:46:57.400 --> 1:46:58.360 Yeah, I know, I love it. 1:46:58.720 --> 1:46:59.200 I love it. 1:46:59.360 --> 1:47:03.080 I like a little bit of grit to it, you know, yeah, come. 1:47:02.960 --> 1:47:06.200 On, we need it. Thanks for taking the time to. 1:47:06.280 --> 1:47:08.840 Talk to a pleasure. Nice to chat with you guys. 1:47:12.720 --> 1:47:15.240 Oh my gosh, my mom is so gagged that I 1:47:15.320 --> 1:47:20.280 talked to the grandson of this piano virtuoso. I mean, 1:47:20.360 --> 1:47:24.040 this is awesome. But also we've got a member of 1:47:24.080 --> 1:47:26.560 the Benson family. I mean not Benson, but you know, 1:47:26.640 --> 1:47:27.439 Olivia's family. 1:47:27.760 --> 1:47:30.479 And I also love you know, I love hearing about 1:47:30.479 --> 1:47:32.320 a kid that grew up on set or in the 1:47:32.400 --> 1:47:38.240 backstage and like running around the city and just uh yeah, 1:47:38.400 --> 1:47:39.200 what a cool life. 1:47:39.680 --> 1:47:40.880 Totally totally. 1:47:41.160 --> 1:47:44.519 Andrew Rynolds was on Watch What Happens Live and someone 1:47:44.640 --> 1:47:48.200 asked if he's ever had sex backstage and Broadway, and 1:47:48.320 --> 1:47:50.720 I know people do fuck there, but he said during 1:47:50.760 --> 1:47:55.800 intermission with one of his cast members, whoa, that's a 1:47:55.880 --> 1:47:58.720 way to get power person and a half. He's like, 1:47:58.800 --> 1:48:01.080 do you think we could do it? And they're like, yeah, 1:48:01.120 --> 1:48:05.680 I think so, and they did it. Wow, scandaloso. 1:48:06.240 --> 1:48:11.760 Thanks for sharing. Yeah, thank you. Yeah. Post mortem on 1:48:11.800 --> 1:48:12.800 this episode is tough. 1:48:12.880 --> 1:48:16.719 I mean this, like obviously Simon makes the worst choices 1:48:17.040 --> 1:48:17.880 one after another. 1:48:18.400 --> 1:48:22.120 But also the reason that they even lost their kids 1:48:22.160 --> 1:48:23.160 for a day over. 1:48:23.080 --> 1:48:25.320 A joint is so insane to me, As I said, 1:48:25.479 --> 1:48:29.960 but I mean ten years later, it's that would never happen. 1:48:30.200 --> 1:48:32.240 It's not like a long time has passed. Yeah, and 1:48:32.479 --> 1:48:36.160 just such blatant racism and patterns. It's like so strange 1:48:36.479 --> 1:48:42.720 and like it's very disappointing. It's very upsetting. But then 1:48:42.760 --> 1:48:44.640 he decided to make every wrong like he could have 1:48:44.720 --> 1:48:46.880 sued the city and made millions of the yes, yeah, 1:48:47.120 --> 1:48:48.160 like Andre. 1:48:48.080 --> 1:48:48.439 Was on it. 1:48:48.880 --> 1:48:50.840 They could have made it work. But even though like 1:48:51.880 --> 1:48:55.080 I'm sorry, you're an idiot, Like I don't. I mean, 1:48:55.160 --> 1:48:57.160 rest in peace to the character, of course, but like 1:48:57.360 --> 1:49:00.439 every wrong decision you could possibly make, Yeah. 1:49:00.640 --> 1:49:01.599 Stop jumping bail. 1:49:01.720 --> 1:49:03.960 That didn't work for you, so neither will napping your 1:49:04.040 --> 1:49:06.080 children and taking them to another state. 1:49:06.960 --> 1:49:10.040 Like it's so confused. His reasoning is like we just 1:49:10.040 --> 1:49:12.040 thought we could start over in South Carolina. It's just 1:49:12.240 --> 1:49:15.680 so dumb. But also, god, the JC DO. 1:49:15.800 --> 1:49:19.320 Guard story what a fun I mean, like, I know 1:49:19.560 --> 1:49:22.360 the amount of cop intervention that could have happened, and 1:49:22.439 --> 1:49:24.280 they were so lazy and bad at their job. 1:49:24.360 --> 1:49:26.880 And just like equally trusting of this guy. It's just 1:49:27.040 --> 1:49:28.120 like it's my god. 1:49:29.120 --> 1:49:31.680 I just feel also like I do believe that we 1:49:31.800 --> 1:49:34.720 have the rights to privacy as the Constitution allows, but 1:49:34.800 --> 1:49:37.559 I do think if you've built essentially a small shanty 1:49:37.600 --> 1:49:39.920 town in your backyard, we got to check those every 1:49:39.960 --> 1:49:41.880 once in a while, like every couple of years. Your 1:49:41.920 --> 1:49:44.840 little backyard shanty town needs like a permit because it 1:49:45.000 --> 1:49:48.240 keeps being the home of girls that have been kidnapped. 1:49:48.120 --> 1:49:50.519 And like outside of the shanty town, it's like he's 1:49:50.560 --> 1:49:52.639 not allowed to be around kids. So why the niece 1:49:52.880 --> 1:49:56.680 the appointments? Like, yeah, like what is wrong with you? 1:49:57.040 --> 1:49:58.560 And I think they did an amazing job in this 1:49:58.720 --> 1:50:02.519 episode of showing like, instead of messing around and harassing 1:50:02.600 --> 1:50:06.480 black people in Harlem for having joints or like getting stopped, 1:50:06.960 --> 1:50:10.360 you could actually help J. C. Duggard get out, you 1:50:10.439 --> 1:50:14.720 know what I mean. And I just really liked what 1:50:14.880 --> 1:50:19.720 they were able to show in this episode. Yeah matter storytelling. 1:50:20.360 --> 1:50:24.400 And I think to me, like, I know, I'm obsessed 1:50:24.400 --> 1:50:29.400 with family annihilators, but I'm also like really really like obsessed, 1:50:29.439 --> 1:50:33.040 but also terrified of these like men that just have 1:50:33.200 --> 1:50:36.560 to like hold women as like cattle and just have 1:50:36.720 --> 1:50:40.720 babies with them. Like it's so sick, and we just 1:50:40.800 --> 1:50:42.920 have heard so many stories of it happening. It's not 1:50:43.000 --> 1:50:45.080 like it's a once in a while ooh, this spooky guy. 1:50:45.120 --> 1:50:49.160 It's like many many people have done this. And yeah, 1:50:49.240 --> 1:50:54.400 and it's one of my biggest fears. Yes, like basement 1:50:55.520 --> 1:50:59.120 locks from the outside or whatever, can't get out if 1:50:59.160 --> 1:51:01.920 you kill your cap, sure you can't get out upstairs whatever, 1:51:02.080 --> 1:51:02.680 that whole thing. 1:51:02.920 --> 1:51:04.000 Oh yeah, And I. 1:51:04.040 --> 1:51:06.439 Also like that Jacy after getting out was like fuck 1:51:06.520 --> 1:51:08.719 all of you for thinking I'm in love with a captor. 1:51:08.960 --> 1:51:09.160 Yeah. 1:51:09.560 --> 1:51:12.040 I've talked about this before, like someone will just casually 1:51:12.160 --> 1:51:14.240 mention a beauty in the beast bit and I'm like, actually, 1:51:14.280 --> 1:51:17.760 Stockholm syndrome is not real and it's sexis and but 1:51:18.040 --> 1:51:22.560 it does like sicken me that like they think it's like, no, 1:51:22.720 --> 1:51:25.879 that's the way to fucking survive, you fucking idiot. 1:51:26.240 --> 1:51:28.240 I don't know. It's scary. I can't believe what she survived. 1:51:28.280 --> 1:51:33.519 I'm so glad she's out and safe and I'm helping 1:51:33.600 --> 1:51:36.840 others and yeah, I don't I'm not a religious person, 1:51:36.960 --> 1:51:42.200 but definitely God bless Yeah, absolutely, I just did a 1:51:42.240 --> 1:51:45.240 friend's podcast and they're like, you know, I know you're Jewish, 1:51:45.320 --> 1:51:48.000 but what is like we are actual beliefs, because it's 1:51:48.000 --> 1:51:50.160 not like I'm like, you know, keeping kosher. 1:51:52.280 --> 1:51:53.160 I go, I don't know. 1:51:53.400 --> 1:51:56.720 I think like we have goodness and God within all 1:51:56.800 --> 1:51:59.479 of us and the YadA YadA, and I went, I 1:51:59.520 --> 1:52:02.439 think maybe I'm Quaker, And he goes, isn't there a 1:52:02.479 --> 1:52:04.560 whole thing like peace and not being volatile? 1:52:04.720 --> 1:52:08.760 And I go, Okay, I guess I'm not. I guess 1:52:08.800 --> 1:52:09.639 I'm not a Quaker. 1:52:09.960 --> 1:52:13.280 Checkmate, Okay, but I do believe we all have like 1:52:13.479 --> 1:52:17.040 intuition and spirit inside of ourselves, and religion quelches it 1:52:17.120 --> 1:52:19.160 and takes all of our power away from us, but 1:52:19.320 --> 1:52:23.280 really all the goodness and everything is within us well. 1:52:23.320 --> 1:52:27.120 And also like helping them, helping your neighbor and being 1:52:27.200 --> 1:52:29.280 kind to your fellow man, and not because it's going 1:52:29.360 --> 1:52:33.080 to get you into some like fictional like heaven afterwards 1:52:33.240 --> 1:52:34.360 or send you to hell. 1:52:35.120 --> 1:52:39.680 Ooh look at those stickers so cute beautiful. Are your 1:52:39.800 --> 1:52:40.879 kids into stickers? 1:52:41.560 --> 1:52:43.679 Yeah they are, they're sticker boxes at home. 1:52:44.200 --> 1:52:46.479 And but wait, didn't I tell you on this trip 1:52:47.000 --> 1:52:49.680 we got a sticker every place we stopped and they 1:52:49.760 --> 1:52:53.000 definated their suitcase with it. Use so their suitcase has 1:52:53.080 --> 1:52:55.639 stickers of every place we stopped. We got cool stickers 1:52:55.680 --> 1:52:58.920 in every town. We got a little Chicago, a little 1:52:59.479 --> 1:53:02.280 Grand Can't, Cheyenne, went Wyoming, all the places. 1:53:02.880 --> 1:53:06.920 So that was fun. But they do like stickers. I 1:53:06.960 --> 1:53:09.280 wouldn't say that was in one of my gay books. 1:53:09.400 --> 1:53:09.720 They had to. 1:53:10.360 --> 1:53:13.519 I am real cowboy town, a lot of people walking 1:53:13.560 --> 1:53:16.280 around in boots and cowboy I know. 1:53:16.400 --> 1:53:17.840 And then the rich kind of not that like I 1:53:17.880 --> 1:53:20.000 think like that part of the world's great, but it's 1:53:20.000 --> 1:53:22.559 like rich people go and just really displace and fuck 1:53:22.640 --> 1:53:25.760 up people and communities everywhere constantly. 1:53:25.880 --> 1:53:29.320 It's really crazy. Yeah, mountain towns. 1:53:29.600 --> 1:53:32.320 Yeah, I remember people going to Boise a lot during 1:53:32.400 --> 1:53:34.559 the pandemic, and I feel like they were like, get 1:53:34.600 --> 1:53:37.559 out of here, but I don't want supposedly a lovely 1:53:37.640 --> 1:53:41.800 place to live. Okay, well let's get into let's get 1:53:41.840 --> 1:53:45.720 into what would Sister Peg Do, which connects to this 1:53:45.880 --> 1:53:46.639 week's episode. 1:53:46.720 --> 1:53:48.360 Obviously, this is a segment. 1:53:48.640 --> 1:53:51.160 I'm sorry do this to you, but I know I 1:53:51.200 --> 1:53:53.120 talked about the gay Book last week, but it's the 1:53:53.200 --> 1:53:53.639 same day. 1:53:53.720 --> 1:53:55.160 Sorry, guys. The jig is up. 1:53:55.320 --> 1:53:59.240 So but goodbye Paradise. You know, it's like this call 1:53:59.320 --> 1:54:01.800 it's a polygamon cults. And we talk about these crimes 1:54:01.840 --> 1:54:03.280 all the time, and like even with this episode with 1:54:03.400 --> 1:54:06.880 JC Duggart and like connects to homeschooling and everything, but 1:54:07.040 --> 1:54:10.080 like with this polygamous cull, like you don't think about 1:54:10.120 --> 1:54:12.360 what it takes to really escape. Like if you're born 1:54:12.439 --> 1:54:14.600 on the compound, you don't have a birth certificate, you 1:54:14.640 --> 1:54:17.400 don't have a Social Security number, you don't exist, You 1:54:17.479 --> 1:54:20.479 can't get an ID. So they like you know, they 1:54:20.600 --> 1:54:23.240 like kicked him out or whatever and just left him 1:54:23.240 --> 1:54:24.960 at a bus stop. But it's like they can't get 1:54:25.000 --> 1:54:27.680 on a plane, they can't get a job because they 1:54:27.760 --> 1:54:30.559 don't have ID. You have to learn, like the state 1:54:30.640 --> 1:54:34.040 has to give you a birth certificate, and just how 1:54:34.160 --> 1:54:37.520 long it takes to actually survive outside of these environments 1:54:37.560 --> 1:54:38.920 and how dangerous they really. 1:54:38.800 --> 1:54:40.240 Are, like the government. 1:54:40.560 --> 1:54:43.440 I'm not pro government, but it's like no one knows 1:54:43.520 --> 1:54:45.480 you exist except your abusers. 1:54:47.080 --> 1:54:49.720 Yeah, and it's really hard to get a birth certificate. 1:54:50.040 --> 1:54:53.720 Also, like the process and these kids, so like these 1:54:53.760 --> 1:54:55.760 boys only had like a sixth grade education. You had 1:54:55.800 --> 1:54:57.680 to get a ged like I don't know, it's like 1:54:57.840 --> 1:55:01.680 obviously this gay romance book, but it's like it really 1:55:01.880 --> 1:55:03.680 made me and we think about this all the time, 1:55:04.320 --> 1:55:07.560 of course, especially with Jason, like and the kids that 1:55:08.040 --> 1:55:12.520 she gave birth to, but it's like had she escaped, Yeah, 1:55:12.920 --> 1:55:16.880 but like the fact that you're uneducated, you probably can't 1:55:16.920 --> 1:55:20.880 really read, have comprehension, you don't know the internet, you've 1:55:21.000 --> 1:55:27.240 never watched TV, like these guys thought like everything in 1:55:27.360 --> 1:55:30.040 the compound was was real and then they like watched 1:55:30.080 --> 1:55:32.000 TV for the first time and see gay guys and 1:55:32.120 --> 1:55:35.040 they like didn't know that that was acceptable in the world. 1:55:36.200 --> 1:55:38.800 And so it's like, I know this is like stating 1:55:38.840 --> 1:55:41.080 the obvious, but it's like such a limited point of view, 1:55:41.160 --> 1:55:44.720 and then like no way to survive, like right, so hard, 1:55:44.800 --> 1:55:47.400 like they had resources and they're fictional guys, and like 1:55:47.480 --> 1:55:49.080 people are dealing with this all the time. And I 1:55:49.200 --> 1:55:51.440 just think, because we're talking about wyoming in that place 1:55:51.520 --> 1:55:55.160 in Utah and just like you're just born and married 1:55:55.240 --> 1:55:57.680 to a fifty year old man giving birth and no 1:55:57.760 --> 1:56:00.720 one knows about these kids or you, and there you 1:56:00.800 --> 1:56:04.880 can't get a job, Like fuck, when people go why 1:56:04.920 --> 1:56:07.680 can't you leave. Why don't you leave? Why didn't you escape? 1:56:07.680 --> 1:56:10.120 Why didn't you know connected to Stockholm? Like always trying 1:56:10.160 --> 1:56:13.080 to figure out like that, and it's like instead of 1:56:13.360 --> 1:56:16.960 questioning these people that are trying to survive, like why 1:56:17.000 --> 1:56:20.320 don't you ask yourself the question and try to answer it. 1:56:20.400 --> 1:56:21.560 And like see that? 1:56:22.200 --> 1:56:26.080 Yeah, yeah, I mean I was just trying to help 1:56:26.120 --> 1:56:28.760 somebody get a birth certificate recently, And don't remember if 1:56:28.760 --> 1:56:31.480 I talked about this already. You need a debit card 1:56:31.680 --> 1:56:34.240 to get one, and if you don't have a bank accountant, 1:56:34.560 --> 1:56:36.880 you can't get one. So like I had to go 1:56:37.160 --> 1:56:39.200 get a prepaid debit card and then that has to 1:56:39.280 --> 1:56:41.120 match that because that's the way that you could circumvent 1:56:41.240 --> 1:56:43.400 the address that you're shipping it to, because I couldn't 1:56:43.440 --> 1:56:44.920 use my own credit card because I has to match 1:56:44.920 --> 1:56:46.760 the address for shipping it to. Like they make it 1:56:47.240 --> 1:56:50.080 so impossible, and I'm talking about this is also for 1:56:50.160 --> 1:56:52.560 people that are like like I just I don't. I 1:56:53.080 --> 1:56:55.680 mentioned last week that I met and a guest stier 1:56:55.880 --> 1:56:58.040 at a party and she was telling us about how 1:56:58.080 --> 1:57:01.920 our friends started this organized to basically help people that 1:57:02.040 --> 1:57:04.400 just got out of jail get like all their documents, 1:57:04.480 --> 1:57:07.440 get all these things, because like you know, recidivism is 1:57:07.480 --> 1:57:12.160 so bad. But yeah, leaving any sort of secluded, isolated 1:57:12.240 --> 1:57:16.440 community and reintegrating into the world is really hard, especially 1:57:16.520 --> 1:57:17.960 these religious environments. 1:57:18.040 --> 1:57:18.520 Oh my god. 1:57:18.800 --> 1:57:20.760 Yeah, we need to find like maybe that should be 1:57:20.960 --> 1:57:22.760 a goal for us in the future for what with 1:57:22.960 --> 1:57:27.640 Sister Peg, to try to find a place that helps 1:57:28.000 --> 1:57:29.560 people that escape these. 1:57:29.400 --> 1:57:35.200 Situations cults and stuff. Yeah, yeabsolutely, because. 1:57:37.520 --> 1:57:39.480 Yeah, like I said, we study this all the time 1:57:39.560 --> 1:57:41.480 and like look into these but until I read this 1:57:41.640 --> 1:57:47.160 fictional book, Yeah, I really really well because settled we. 1:57:47.280 --> 1:57:50.200 Believe these cults. It's like they were sixteen. They were 1:57:50.240 --> 1:57:51.840 like lured in as like a twenty year old. So 1:57:51.880 --> 1:57:53.800 they just go back to their families. But if you're 1:57:53.960 --> 1:57:58.680 born into one, it's like the children in Yesteryear, what 1:57:58.840 --> 1:58:02.400 the hell's gonna you know, luckily they have, you know whatever. 1:58:03.400 --> 1:58:05.440 I hate the people that don't like Ester Year. 1:58:05.680 --> 1:58:09.440 It's so annoying because someone's like, wow, the premise isn't 1:58:09.480 --> 1:58:11.120 exacting this and that, and I'm like, well, because if 1:58:11.120 --> 1:58:13.680 you did, then it wouldn't be fun, like like fuck off, 1:58:14.480 --> 1:58:14.880 fuck off. 1:58:14.920 --> 1:58:17.240 I just I kind of think that when people just 1:58:17.360 --> 1:58:19.240 think that they don't like the main character, so they 1:58:19.280 --> 1:58:20.040 can't like the book. 1:58:20.160 --> 1:58:22.080 That's like, I don't know if I don't think we 1:58:22.160 --> 1:58:26.240 can be friends, but suddenly I have a lot of 1:58:26.320 --> 1:58:28.040 strong points of view as a new reader. 1:58:28.240 --> 1:58:32.040 But yeah, well, and another plug for our Patreon, we 1:58:32.120 --> 1:58:35.160 do a whole yesteryear recap over there, guys, if you're interested, 1:58:35.960 --> 1:58:36.400 all right. 1:58:36.320 --> 1:58:40.640 Yeah, and dm us if you have any requests for stocks, 1:58:40.960 --> 1:58:44.200 crime stuff, people, people you know that like you that 1:58:44.240 --> 1:58:44.760 are famous. 1:58:44.880 --> 1:58:45.400 Yeah, whatever. 1:58:45.800 --> 1:58:49.280 Yeah, So for what, let's get into what would Sister 1:58:49.360 --> 1:58:51.680 Peg do? That's our weekly segment where we direct you 1:58:51.800 --> 1:58:56.280 to a book, a documentary, an organization, something to give 1:58:56.320 --> 1:58:58.240 you more information. And obviously I wanted to point you 1:58:58.320 --> 1:59:02.560 to JC du Guard's memoir called A Stolen Life. That's 1:59:02.640 --> 1:59:04.600 one of her books. Her other one is called Freedom. 1:59:05.000 --> 1:59:09.160 If you want to hear more firsthand about her saga 1:59:09.320 --> 1:59:11.920 and how like she's honestly sort of turned it into 1:59:11.960 --> 1:59:16.920 a beautiful story of survival, check it out and that 1:59:17.000 --> 1:59:19.800 will be linked in our show notes and as always 1:59:19.920 --> 1:59:23.720 saved on our Instagram page in our WWSPD highlights and 1:59:23.800 --> 1:59:25.560 our Instagram is that messed up pod. 1:59:26.400 --> 1:59:29.720 I'm gonna go buy her book I gotta go get it. 1:59:29.920 --> 1:59:31.200 I gotta support our girl. 1:59:31.600 --> 1:59:33.720 I'm sorry, Like bon Goodreads, like there are a couple 1:59:33.760 --> 1:59:35.200 of people give it one star? 1:59:35.520 --> 1:59:36.040 How dare you? 1:59:36.440 --> 1:59:38.080 How dare you give this girl who wrote a book 1:59:38.080 --> 1:59:41.920 about her fucking horrific kidnapping one star? Give it five stars? 1:59:41.960 --> 1:59:43.760 To keep your fucking mouth shut, That's what I say. 1:59:44.800 --> 1:59:49.640 I'm sorry, a memoir about your eighteen year kidnapping. It's like, people, 1:59:49.800 --> 1:59:51.560 it's like, how there's one star reviews of the Grand 1:59:51.600 --> 1:59:55.040 Canyon kind of sandy, Get the fuck, get up, find 1:59:55.080 --> 1:59:55.480 a hobby. 1:59:55.680 --> 2:00:02.920 Really truly, that's really tickling me. I can't imagine. Yeah, 2:00:02.920 --> 2:00:05.360 I don't know if the sentence structure and metaphors. 2:00:05.040 --> 2:00:11.680 Right for me right, Like, oh my god, school, like 2:00:11.880 --> 2:00:13.080 she didn't pass fifth grade. 2:00:16.760 --> 2:00:19.560 That's so fucked up. People are so fucked up. 2:00:19.720 --> 2:00:21.760 I also, so many people are telling me to join 2:00:21.800 --> 2:00:23.960 good Reads, and I'm just like, I don't want to 2:00:24.000 --> 2:00:25.920 do homework. I don't want to clock a thing that 2:00:25.960 --> 2:00:28.560 I just found. You're here giving your book reviews. You're 2:00:28.600 --> 2:00:30.480 not gonna go type them and put them. Maybe I'll 2:00:30.520 --> 2:00:33.160 make little videos casually for fun, but like I don't 2:00:33.320 --> 2:00:35.200 because someone else was like, but then it recommends this, 2:00:35.320 --> 2:00:36.760 and then I'm like, I'll just take a photo of 2:00:36.840 --> 2:00:39.200 your phone. I'll screenshot a thing, I'll google it, Like 2:00:39.320 --> 2:00:44.080 I don't Yeah, I don't actually need the good Reads algorithm. 2:00:44.120 --> 2:00:44.680 You'll be okay. 2:00:45.000 --> 2:00:48.400 I just don't want pressure or people being like, how 2:00:48.440 --> 2:00:50.040 many books did you read this year? 2:00:50.080 --> 2:00:51.880 It's like, get out of my fuck. I know that's 2:00:52.640 --> 2:00:55.520 I don't raise like my friends read more books than me. 2:00:55.760 --> 2:00:57.160 Who cares? Just read? 2:00:58.600 --> 2:01:01.800 Yeah, being sick was cool. I mean it wasn't cool 2:01:02.000 --> 2:01:04.600 health as wealth. But I did get to like read 2:01:04.680 --> 2:01:06.600 while it was raining outside for like five hours. 2:01:06.720 --> 2:01:09.440 Oh that sounds gorgeous. I am so rainy today. I 2:01:09.560 --> 2:01:10.080 want to read. 2:01:10.720 --> 2:01:14.080 I'm going to read into an app. I got an 2:01:14.080 --> 2:01:17.560 app today, okay, And yeah, thank you for that. And 2:01:17.800 --> 2:01:20.959 next week we're back, baby, welcome to the Pedo Motel. 2:01:21.200 --> 2:01:22.320 I wonder what that's about. 2:01:23.160 --> 2:01:26.560 So you can't even imagine Season twenty two, episode ten. 2:01:26.680 --> 2:01:29.560 We're obsessed with all of you. Thanks for listening. 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