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Speaker 1: Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought us. Well, we
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Speaker 1: mechanical issues with Dame Burglar, so we're gonna miss him today.
Speaker 1: David Hellman and I will carry on with you this
Speaker 1: uh this morning and make do right, make do. We've
Speaker 1: got a couple of things that we can talk about today,
Speaker 1: mainly with what's going on with the wide receiver position.
Speaker 1: We've hinted that there was a possibility that the stay
Speaker 1: would come when they were released, as Brian and now
Speaker 1: you as that transfers into another area of reality. Now
Speaker 1: it's reality now, and you know all the things that
Speaker 1: we've talked about in round tables and speculations and things
Speaker 1: like that, it's it is reality. And so David, I
Speaker 1: want to get into these wide receivers this morning, and
Speaker 1: everybody else, Yeah, and and and I want to get in.
Speaker 1: I think we've talked about wide receivers plenty on this
Speaker 1: on this program. That's can I just I mean and
Speaker 1: I get I mean, trust me, I get it. Um,
Speaker 1: you know you're talking about one of the best receivers
Speaker 1: in franchise history. Sure, we're leading the touchdown leader, uh
Speaker 1: you know, face of the franchise for the last eight
Speaker 1: or so years. But I feel a little bit surprised
Speaker 1: at what seems like the number of people who were
Speaker 1: caught off guard by this. Um. It shouldn't have I know.
Speaker 1: And that's that's my point. Is I feel like, and no, UM,
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to say I told you so, because
Speaker 1: I think most of us there was always an air
Speaker 1: of uncertainty. It was all way as well. I don't
Speaker 1: know for sure, but this timeline David, Yeah, yeah, timeline,
Speaker 1: the way the fact that they didn't talk to Dez
Speaker 1: Bryant absolutely since the end of the seat, I guess
Speaker 1: I can talking to Dez Bryant. He was like, they haven't,
Speaker 1: They've been spoken to me. My point is, like Hindsight's
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, I definitely wasn't and you, to be fair,
Speaker 1: you went a lot firmer than I did. I went like,
Speaker 1: he's gone, you went very firm. Yeah, And I wasn't
Speaker 1: quite ready to do that, but I wasn't surprised. And
Speaker 1: I would hope that nobody that listens to this show
Speaker 1: was either which you know people, I would hope that
Speaker 1: it's people who don't really follow this thing as closely
Speaker 1: as we do. Sure they're like, well, what does that
Speaker 1: change at wide receiver? What they got to pick at
Speaker 1: nineteen that like, no, they don't very reactionary fan base. Well,
Speaker 1: I think that's just people in general, like nothing has changed,
Speaker 1: because if you're doing this the right way, you've been
Speaker 1: bracing for this possibility since February. We've talked about this
Speaker 1: on the Draft Show. The fact that that of guys
Speaker 1: they brought in for thirty visits, you know, two potential
Speaker 1: first round guys with Ridley and Moore. Yep, they've visited Washington.
Speaker 1: We talked about they looked at every receiver worth looking at.
Speaker 1: They had private workouts with with Sutton, They've had workouts
Speaker 1: with Kirk, They've done everything in there. They went down
Speaker 1: to Baton Rouge to work out Shark. You know, they've
Speaker 1: tried to figure out this you should have seen, really
Speaker 1: the old proverbrial, the writing on the wall, writing was
Speaker 1: on the wall. You know, they add two receivers and
Speaker 1: now they look at the draft. I want to ask you,
Speaker 1: David Hellman, Yeah, does this mean, though you absolutely have
Speaker 1: to draft a wide receiver at nineteen. No, I don't
Speaker 1: think so either, not even I'm glad you said that,
Speaker 1: And that's I mean, it's if you listen to this show.
Speaker 1: It's well documented how much I like DJ Moore, But
Speaker 1: it's looney tunes to say that you got a draft
Speaker 1: a receiver at nineteen just because Dez is gone. I
Speaker 1: don't buy it. And that's not the way that they've
Speaker 1: operated in the draft any in the last five years.
Speaker 1: I think I've been saying this since Friday when the
Speaker 1: news came down. I think it's a damn near lock
Speaker 1: that they're gonna draft, gonna take one. They're gonna They're
Speaker 1: definitely gonna draft one, and I would be very comfortable
Speaker 1: betting that it'll be on Day one or Day two,
Speaker 1: pick nineteen, pick fifty, pick eighty one, or maybe a
Speaker 1: trade's involved. Yet I feel even better. On Thursday, I
Speaker 1: came in here and I said, I think you're in
Speaker 1: a situation where if you don't draft a receiver at nineteen,
Speaker 1: you might have to trade up to get the guy
Speaker 1: you want. Yeah, so I wouldn't be shocked if they
Speaker 1: picked a wide receiver at thirty nine or forty, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So they're saying move the fifty up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I could see that. I think, I mean, you gotta
Speaker 1: get a wide receiver, not just because the group could
Speaker 1: use the extra talent, but I think we've talked about
Speaker 1: it a few times. The long term future of this
Speaker 1: entire group is not very clear. You got guys in
Speaker 1: contract years, you got guys playing on short deals. Switzer
Speaker 1: and Noah Brown are the only guys with more than
Speaker 1: two years left on the our current contract and their
Speaker 1: Day three draft picks. So that doesn't mean a whole lot.
Speaker 1: So put yourself as a fly on the wall, or
Speaker 1: as you're sitting in the in the war room right now,
Speaker 1: as they're working through these receivers, who do you think
Speaker 1: they have on the top of their board? Who would
Speaker 1: you say? Who would you project would be? Okay, this
Speaker 1: is the type of guy that I could see them
Speaker 1: going to get with with what they've added, what they
Speaker 1: have like you said, what would be the type of
Speaker 1: guy that they would go and get of the of
Speaker 1: the top. And it doesn't have to be Ridley and
Speaker 1: more and Sudden or any of those guys. Really, but
Speaker 1: I'm really glad you said that because it's something with
Speaker 1: Dez Bryant gone. I think it's something you've got to
Speaker 1: talk about in more detailed terms than just they need
Speaker 1: a wide receiver, right, So what we're looking at these
Speaker 1: guys and it's I think it's all gonna hinge on
Speaker 1: what they think these guys can do, right because you
Speaker 1: let you just let go of the prototypical X receiver, right. Yes.
Speaker 1: And then the thing that Dane has been telling us
Speaker 1: for three months is that Calvin Ridley is probably a
Speaker 1: really high end Z. Yeah, he's not an X. Uh.
Speaker 1: You've got Alan Hearns who can do a little bit
Speaker 1: of all three. But with Dez out of the picture,
Speaker 1: you would assume he's gonna play X. So it's so
Speaker 1: it's what do you want? And it goes back to
Speaker 1: the debate about Courtland Sutton, like, yeah, he's an X,
Speaker 1: he's got a lot of upside, but he's raw. Would
Speaker 1: you would you rather draft an X with upside, would
Speaker 1: you rather draft a really polished Z. Where does DJ
Speaker 1: Moore fit in that equation? What do you want him
Speaker 1: to do? I think dj Moore could play both. I
Speaker 1: think so. I think he could too. But what do
Speaker 1: they think? Yeah, that's what I'm trying to like, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to get your idea what you would think? You
Speaker 1: you really painted the picture? Well what all it is?
Speaker 1: It's and I think you know, but what are they
Speaker 1: hurting more at? They hurt him more at this? People
Speaker 1: might think they're hurting it both X and Z. I
Speaker 1: think I And to be clear, I don't think this
Speaker 1: is some kind of doomsday scenario. Um, this is not
Speaker 1: the most talented receiver corps. I saw, you know, after
Speaker 1: they released Dez. Somebody on Twitter was like, uh, you
Speaker 1: think any defensive coordinators are losing sleep about this group?
Speaker 1: And it was you know the current Cowboys receivers And
Speaker 1: it's no, They're not going to be at the top
Speaker 1: of any Bleacher Report lists of the best receiver groups.
Speaker 1: But on a team that is designed to run the ball,
Speaker 1: there you go. Uh you know, do you need you
Speaker 1: need a one? Do you need a one receiver? This
Speaker 1: is probably what the Cowboys receiver corps is supposed to
Speaker 1: look like in the Ezekiel Elliott era. You know, like,
Speaker 1: if you're spending forty million dollars on your offensive line
Speaker 1: and eight million dollars a year on your running back,
Speaker 1: absolutely probably what your receiver corps get a fourth round
Speaker 1: quarterback play. Yeah. Um, I don't think this receiver corps
Speaker 1: is in as diers like I think you can win
Speaker 1: games with the six guys that are that are here
Speaker 1: right now. I mean people love to point out that
Speaker 1: when Dez was hurt in twenty sixteen for three weeks,
Speaker 1: they didn't miss a beat, right, Um, So I don't
Speaker 1: think it's a dire situation. But like I said, I
Speaker 1: think you would like to upgrade, get younger, give yourself
Speaker 1: some long term stability in the sense that whoever you
Speaker 1: draft is gonna be guaranteed to be here for four
Speaker 1: or five years. But it's all about what they want.
Speaker 1: And so I think I think Courtland Sutton is a
Speaker 1: name much more worth knowing now than he was a
Speaker 1: week ago. Yes, because of where he plays, because where
Speaker 1: he plays, because of what he can do, because of
Speaker 1: what he could bring to your receiver group. But if
Speaker 1: you think DJ Moore can do both and he's the guy,
Speaker 1: or Calvin Riley for that matter. Sure, I mean, don't
Speaker 1: change the way you're looking at this just because you
Speaker 1: let go of a true X receiver, you know what
Speaker 1: I Mean's kind of where I'm at um. But I
Speaker 1: think that's however they rank these guys, that comes down
Speaker 1: to what they think they can do. I mean DJ Chark,
Speaker 1: where where does he fit in? See Dane talks about him.
Speaker 1: If you get a guy at sixty three that runs
Speaker 1: four three, yeah, but you and I have lived that one.
Speaker 1: It's it's I mean, you and I have lived that
Speaker 1: one every weekend. We've lived the highs and the lows
Speaker 1: of a guy like that, and that's it's kind of
Speaker 1: the But that might be your have to trade up guy.
Speaker 1: That's that's your scenario where you're saying trade up for
Speaker 1: a guy. This is what I think is going to happen.
Speaker 1: I think if the pick is not DJ Moore or
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley at nineteen or even maybe you have to
Speaker 1: trade up to fifteen to get Ridley's Sure if it's
Speaker 1: not one of those two guys, if they want one
Speaker 1: of their highly prized receivers, that I think I'd be
Speaker 1: surprised if they wait till fifty to get him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I really do, because I think Courtland Sutton's gone by
Speaker 1: pick forty probably. I think DJ Chark you're probably talking
Speaker 1: about him going pick you know, definitely by pick fifty. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's kind of where I am is, like, all right,
Speaker 1: if you want one of these five or six dudes
Speaker 1: that we keep talking about, that's what I think is
Speaker 1: going to have to happen. Or you know, you could
Speaker 1: look at it the other way and say, maybe they
Speaker 1: don't view receiver as a dire need, Like maybe just
Speaker 1: what you just explained, because they're there run first team,
Speaker 1: you just wait until you wait until fifty and go
Speaker 1: with what you got, or you go in another direction
Speaker 1: if you don't like it, I don't disagree with you.
Speaker 1: And then I really like what you said about this
Speaker 1: is a run first team. And so now, okay, this
Speaker 1: doesn't make what has to have tens of millions of
Speaker 1: dollars tied up in your receivers with the way this
Speaker 1: thing is constructed right now, I mean that's just true.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so I don't know, I but pick nineteen
Speaker 1: and pick fifty or somewhere in between. I feel like
Speaker 1: I feel more important. Okay, so we're gonna keep the
Speaker 1: board open though, right, you have to. That's the whole Like,
Speaker 1: that's what aggravates me. And I'm not calling out the
Speaker 1: various listeners of this podcast because I think y'all know better,
Speaker 1: But to like to act like something that happened on
Speaker 1: April twelfth is gonna drastically change what you've been working
Speaker 1: on for months. No way. They've been working on getting
Speaker 1: a receiver here for the last several weeks. Didn't we
Speaker 1: get super excited in February when all these receivers kept
Speaker 1: saying like, yeah, I met with the Cowboys. Yeah, sure
Speaker 1: we did this. We did that. They had some guys
Speaker 1: on thirty visits. Like, just because Dez was taking up
Speaker 1: a roster spot in March doesn't mean that the Cowboys were, Oh,
Speaker 1: they were working hard on Why we're say they were
Speaker 1: hunting them at the combine. We talked about that when
Speaker 1: we were there. This is not a surprising development or
Speaker 1: something that they weren't ready for. And so it shouldn't
Speaker 1: change anything about the way you want to do this.
Speaker 1: It shouldn't mean that wide receiver is necessary at nineteen.
Speaker 1: It shouldn't mean it's necessary at fifty you're doing it
Speaker 1: wrong if that's the case. I mean, like Alan Hearns
Speaker 1: is here, so that you don't have to do something
Speaker 1: drastic in the draft, that's the whole point. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I agree with you on that. Do you like the
Speaker 1: the Would you rather trade up for a guy in
Speaker 1: the second or go ahead and hit the pick at nineteen? Uh?
Speaker 1: Talking fucking receiver, talking receiver. I mean, I'd rather draft
Speaker 1: DJ more, But it depends on who's there though, And
Speaker 1: so you would rather draft DJ more than than Evans
Speaker 1: or Vanderis or one of those guys, right, no one
Speaker 1: would you know about this? That's defense, that's no and
Speaker 1: that like me personally, Okay, Landry, Dave Hellman, Okay, now
Speaker 1: we're here, here we go. I want DJ more the most, right,
Speaker 1: But I think he makes the least amount of sense
Speaker 1: of those options. Yeah, we went through all those guys
Speaker 1: the other day. If if Harold Landry's there, he should
Speaker 1: be the pick in my opinion. But Landry Miller Leonard
Speaker 1: remember that scenario again? Yeah, absolutely, that was That'll have
Speaker 1: that And that's a nice little haul. I'm totally down with.
Speaker 1: I mean, I kind of like going back to that,
Speaker 1: the Landry Miller Leonard when I don't know how much
Speaker 1: they like Miller. No, and that's what I that's what
Speaker 1: I kind of worry about. Maybe maybe maybe we like
Speaker 1: Miller and I And again this is not me saying
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not I haven't talked to anybody about Miller.
Speaker 1: Anthony Miller has been conveniently as far as I know,
Speaker 1: he's not really part of that. You know, I haven't
Speaker 1: heard he didn't come here. No, he didn't. I haven't
Speaker 1: heard about anybody going to Memphis. Yeah. Um, so that's
Speaker 1: something you got to keep an eye in the scenarios
Speaker 1: of the eight scenarios I gave you Thursday with like
Speaker 1: Ridley Jewel Bates, that was scenario one that includes a
Speaker 1: wide receiver, more DJ Moore, Shepherd and more, the safety
Speaker 1: from Southern miss That was scenario two. Yeah. And then
Speaker 1: there's a scenario I have with with Saint Brown. But
Speaker 1: that's with Vanderish Harrison and Saint Brown. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: liked that one a lot. Maybe Saint Brown might go
Speaker 1: earlier than eighty one, and I think Harrison might go
Speaker 1: earlier than fifty. It's possible, Yeah, it's possible. Okay, and
Speaker 1: then we talked about the Landry Miller. That's another scenario,
Speaker 1: Landry Miller, Leonard. If Landry's there, I would pick him otherwise.
Speaker 1: Now you're talking wide receiver, let's say DJ Moore, DJ Moore, Verse,
Speaker 1: Rashaun Evans or Clayton Vanderesh. Now I mean she's and
Speaker 1: everyone and most of everyone included a wide receiver. Fernandez, Gallop, Avery,
Speaker 1: Dane doesn't like Avery, he'll be wrong about him. U
Speaker 1: slander the guy. Now he knows, he knows, he knows.
Speaker 1: I mean he knows how much like Gabriethy. Gabriel's gonna
Speaker 1: be fine. And then I had Hamilton's you know Hamilton,
Speaker 1: he had Hamilton is one of his best route runners.
Speaker 1: The kid from Penn State Day, Shawn Hamilton, Yeah, balled
Speaker 1: out at the Senior Bowl. Had one of them. And
Speaker 1: that that was the veya Golden Again, we're probably putting
Speaker 1: golden in there when the Cowboys don't really like Golden.
Speaker 1: To go back to my point, you know, there's gonna
Speaker 1: be so much focus on wide receiver for this team.
Speaker 1: Now's like, oh, it's got to be at nineteen, it's
Speaker 1: got to be at fifty Dayshawn Hamilton I mean that
Speaker 1: maybe he's not there at eighty one, but you could
Speaker 1: certainly get him at fifty. You could certainly trade up
Speaker 1: from eighty one. Like they're gonna have options deep into
Speaker 1: the draft, and I think they with Deonta Thompson and
Speaker 1: Alan Hearns. I think I'm not trying to sell anybody
Speaker 1: that these guys are all pros, but they've done a
Speaker 1: good enough job of covering the cracks in that group
Speaker 1: that if it doesn't work for him early, I think
Speaker 1: they're gonna be fine with it. I don't think this
Speaker 1: is this creates a situation of desperation by any stretch.
Speaker 1: And if I would be surprised if they don't have
Speaker 1: a receiver by Saturday, but I wouldn't be surprised if
Speaker 1: they don't get their guy till Friday night. I mean
Speaker 1: round three something, you know, late on Friday, something like
Speaker 1: that. That That wouldn't surprise me. And you add that to
Speaker 1: what you already have, it's not terrible. You think, Okay,
Speaker 1: now the comparison's going to be if they take one
Speaker 1: of these wide receivers at nineteen and then what defensive
Speaker 1: player goes Yeah, you know that that'll be okay? Should
Speaker 1: they have waited, should they? I honestly I would rather
Speaker 1: have DJ more on this team. See if the choice
Speaker 1: is between a receiver and one of the linebackers, I
Speaker 1: think I would take the linebacker because I think you're
Speaker 1: gonna have a harder time winning games with what you
Speaker 1: got at linebacker right now than wide receiver. Does this
Speaker 1: go to their theory that they did last year with Okay,
Speaker 1: we took Taco because that's the position that there wasn't
Speaker 1: that they got through the draft. It wasn't as deep
Speaker 1: at the defensive end spot. You got to keep that
Speaker 1: in mind. And I'd certainly feel better about my options
Speaker 1: on Day two and Day three at receiver and I
Speaker 1: do a linebacker, right, I mean absolutely. How many linebackers
Speaker 1: do you really feel great about after the first round?
Speaker 1: And I know, I mean, okay, you love Josie Jewel,
Speaker 1: Yeah I don't. I don't know how much they loves it. Again,
Speaker 1: I did my Top fifty this weekend. Yeah, I saw it,
Speaker 1: and I did on my top fifty and like players
Speaker 1: forty seven, forty eight, forty and fifty year all like
Speaker 1: my guys that I don't care. Yeah, it's it's my
Speaker 1: top fifty. You gotta do what I do it. Damn
Speaker 1: one got shat Griffin and yeah I got chat Griffin
Speaker 1: in my top fifty. Okay, but that's because I want
Speaker 1: shat Griffin in my top fifty. I'm not gonna let
Speaker 1: somebody tell me that the guy can't play. Okay, I
Speaker 1: get it. But the thing about it is, though I
Speaker 1: kind of it was, it was, it was tough to
Speaker 1: kind of fear, but I felt like that through my
Speaker 1: top fifty, David I had more wide receivers and I
Speaker 1: did than I did like defensive ends guys like that.
Speaker 1: We just did this like linebackers for that matter, I
Speaker 1: can go all day with I mean, okay, DJ Moore,
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley, Courtland Sutton, James Washington, Christian Kirk, DJ Shark, Uh,
Speaker 1: Anthony Miller, Yeah, jam On More, Um, Equanimius, Saint Brown,
Speaker 1: say Gallup, Michael Gallop, like the list goes on. In Pettis,
Speaker 1: Dante Pettis, Yeah, there's about Obbs Fountain. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I would, especially knowing that you know, Herns Hearns and
Speaker 1: Terrence Williams can start for it, like you don't need
Speaker 1: this guy to carry that. And that was the whole
Speaker 1: reason I didn't think it was a good idea to
Speaker 1: let go of Dez in the first place. Is I
Speaker 1: don't want to put that on a rookie, but you
Speaker 1: have veterans who can step in and do that until
Speaker 1: he's more acclimated. I'm the guy to tell you that
Speaker 1: Hearns has some similar trades to Dez. As far as
Speaker 1: the Ralph, there's we had Pete Prisco I did Radio
Speaker 1: one oh five three. Yes, say, Pete lives in Jacksonville.
Speaker 1: You know, covers the Jags, knows the Jags. He was
Speaker 1: talking about Hearns. He's saying, hey, listen, he's very similar
Speaker 1: Dez Bryant in the way he runs. You know, Dez
Speaker 1: is not the fastest guy, and Alan Hearns is a
Speaker 1: little bit of the same type of guy. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to figure out some things outside I have.
Speaker 1: I have a good feeling about Alan Hearns. Um I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm with you on that. Yeah, I'm with not that
Speaker 1: I wanted to get rid of because I felt like
Speaker 1: they should have tried to do something with Dez Bryant.
Speaker 1: Agreed they never did though, you know, but to the
Speaker 1: original point, there's about ten receivers that I think could
Speaker 1: develop into really good players. Although and some of them
Speaker 1: you can get as late as the third round linebacker,
Speaker 1: I don't feel quite as good. Okay, how about this one.
Speaker 1: I gave you scenarios six Evans Shark and sent it
Speaker 1: from the from South ful Okasa defensive tackle, the one technique.
Speaker 1: They've got some three technique traits. Yeah, Evans the linebacker.
Speaker 1: There's your trade up, probably for Shark right there, right,
Speaker 1: And I'm in it for that. Honestly, you did a
Speaker 1: I'm worried about those scenarios because I like them all
Speaker 1: so much, though I assume they're not very realistic because
Speaker 1: I never feel that good about it. Yeah, I tried
Speaker 1: to put them where spots were. Okay, of More and Ridley, Yeah,
Speaker 1: give me why yes? And then why not? I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'll play with you on this one too, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I mean, I wouldn't hate either of those picks, right.
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley's size scares me a little bit. He's a
Speaker 1: mean see Marvin Harrison, I keep tweeting that out. He
Speaker 1: kind of looks like Marvin Harrison body type to me.
Speaker 1: He Okay, you just compared him to a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1: I know, but body type, I didn't compare him to
Speaker 1: like the guy catching them. He catched the football. He
Speaker 1: can run routes. Bruglar has him is one of his
Speaker 1: three best route runners in the draft. He Isn't that
Speaker 1: something we need here? Yeah? Absolutely, he came in here
Speaker 1: on a thirty visit. Yeah. And I saw him in
Speaker 1: the looks slight. I was just like, dude, you look
Speaker 1: like you're gonna get broken in half in the fl
Speaker 1: which I mean, the production speaks for itself. He balled
Speaker 1: out at the in the SEC so but so so
Speaker 1: size is a no. Yes is what he's I mean,
Speaker 1: he's the best route runner in the draft. He can
Speaker 1: create separation, he can do all that good stuff. Um.
Speaker 1: I mean, and and I'm not dame, but like I wonder,
Speaker 1: is there more flexibility than we give him credit for
Speaker 1: just playing the Z And I'm saying, does he could
Speaker 1: he do more than that? I think he could. That's yeah,
Speaker 1: I kind of it. But it'd probably be the best
Speaker 1: to keep him on the move, like you say, so
Speaker 1: you don't break him in half. I would not dislike
Speaker 1: that pick that I just and you know, there's just
Speaker 1: something I really liked about DJ more it's his physicality
Speaker 1: more than anything, you know, with the ball, with the
Speaker 1: ball in hand, he's making he looks he looks like
Speaker 1: a running back once he gets the ball in his hands,
Speaker 1: and he's a tough guy to bring down. He makes
Speaker 1: plays out of nothing. Um, what's the no. That's a
Speaker 1: good question. Probably, Like maybe I wonder about you know,
Speaker 1: him playing outside against NFL corners, you know, just I mean,
Speaker 1: and I know he came in at six foot at
Speaker 1: the combine, but like, he's not this super big dude.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's gonna be able to go
Speaker 1: downfield and consistently beat the types of guys he's gonna
Speaker 1: be lining up against in the NFL. Yeah, that's probably it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just yeah, I'm with you on that. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a lot with both those guys. There's more yeses
Speaker 1: than there are nos. Yeah, you know, and maybe you
Speaker 1: could say that the no. One more might have been well, wait,
Speaker 1: he's he's a he's not short, but the perception was
Speaker 1: that he was short. And then I mean, okay, you know,
Speaker 1: for all my five alarmed people who think they have
Speaker 1: to have a receiver at nineteen and DJ Mortar again,
Speaker 1: favorite player in the draft. But you could easily make
Speaker 1: the argument. I mean we're talking about the number one
Speaker 1: and two receiver in this draft class being there for
Speaker 1: you at nineteen. Yeah, that kind of says something about
Speaker 1: the quality of the receivers in this draft. Maybe you
Speaker 1: get more the first round. Well, I mean at the top. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm saying maybe you get more bang for your buck
Speaker 1: draft and a guy because the guy that you can
Speaker 1: get at fifty is probably not that much I mean,
Speaker 1: he's not that too much of a worse player than
Speaker 1: the guy you can get at nineteen. And they heard
Speaker 1: a coach say that one time in a war room,
Speaker 1: And yeah, you told that story the other day, Stephen Jackson.
Speaker 1: I mean, all right, no, it's funny that I mean
Speaker 1: twenty Yeah, no, no, that you could say that about
Speaker 1: everything in the draft. All right, David, thank you. We're
Speaker 1: going to take our first break of the day. When
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Speaker 1: thank you very timely question from Van and I know
Speaker 1: we just kind of touched on it, but it is
Speaker 1: it is interesting to me because now it all comes
Speaker 1: down to preference and what you're looking for. I guess
Speaker 1: which is you know, the question is, does this roster
Speaker 1: move releasing Dez Bryant change your thinking in the sense
Speaker 1: that you're looking more at Courtland Sutton and Equanimius Saint Brown, right,
Speaker 1: and you're less interested in a guy like a Calvin
Speaker 1: Ridley or a DJ Moore. I mean, should that should
Speaker 1: that alter the way you're looking at these receivers that
Speaker 1: maybe you're looking for that big body type that you
Speaker 1: now don't really have so much. Yeah. I think though
Speaker 1: that if you look at we've seen Alan Hearns, he's
Speaker 1: not like, he doesn't look physically like this, right. He's
Speaker 1: a big receiver, though it's not like he's a Cole
Speaker 1: Beasley or or Switzer that type of body type. I
Speaker 1: think he could play the X. I think that Jacksonville,
Speaker 1: the way they used him last year, playing in the slot,
Speaker 1: I think that was just more out of necessity for
Speaker 1: them to try and kind of create things for him.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I looking more at an X. I don't
Speaker 1: know if they're necessarily if that's the whole idea. I
Speaker 1: think they're looking for a guy that they can compliment
Speaker 1: with Hearns right now and say okay, but and that
Speaker 1: to your point more, what if things don't work out
Speaker 1: with Hearns, then you can move in, you can move
Speaker 1: into Dj Moore to play the X. I think Ridley
Speaker 1: could play the X if he had to, but I
Speaker 1: think he's a little bit better. I would be out
Speaker 1: of Ridley and more if they took Sudden, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: would be a little bit more. Okay. Then it's to
Speaker 1: your theory or the question of hey, they went for
Speaker 1: a big receiver. They went for the guy. You know.
Speaker 1: Let's Sutton runs four five five. He didn't run again
Speaker 1: in his pro day, right, that's about what he is.
Speaker 1: I mean, you do see some separation, but he is
Speaker 1: a big guy. So you know, if you if you're
Speaker 1: looking for that speed, I think Thompson's going to be
Speaker 1: the speed here. Yeah. I think that's the guy that's
Speaker 1: going to be the speed down the field guy. And
Speaker 1: then the quickness with Beasley, I think. But to look
Speaker 1: at just to say okay, we're only looking at X's Now,
Speaker 1: I don't think that's I don't think that's necessarily the
Speaker 1: case because I think Kirk's still I think Kirk's in
Speaker 1: the equation there. Yeah, even though he plays slot. I
Speaker 1: mean I think you'd want him on the move as well.
Speaker 1: Where does the big homie Noah Brown factor into all that?
Speaker 1: For see? Now, this is this is where, this is
Speaker 1: where don't sleep on him. Because we did the mail
Speaker 1: back question today, Yeah, and it was and I was thinking,
Speaker 1: lance Lenore. I was thinking, you know, just don't sleep
Speaker 1: on the receivers. The thing about I think with Noah Brown.
Speaker 1: Noah Brown and from all I've seen standing up and
Speaker 1: watching Captain's workouts, you know looking out the window, he's
Speaker 1: one of them, never misses, He's always there. I know.
Speaker 1: Ah Brown and Ryan Switzer have they figured it out.
Speaker 1: They figured out that this Lancellor, they figured out though
Speaker 1: this wide receiver thing could be a little bit of
Speaker 1: a mess. So they've now figured out, Okay, well, hey
Speaker 1: be here, work out, be ready, have a great training camp,
Speaker 1: make this football team be productive, keep going. You know
Speaker 1: that's where these guys. So, yeah, I'm not sleeping on
Speaker 1: Noah Brown at all. I'm always I'm reluctant to put
Speaker 1: a ton of faith into a seventh round draft pick.
Speaker 1: Should Okay, But but after a year of being here, absolutely,
Speaker 1: he You now have an idea of like, Okay, this
Speaker 1: is what he did for me, can he do more? Sure?
Speaker 1: You throw on the Ohio State game of his last
Speaker 1: year at this time, and you'd swear he's a first
Speaker 1: round pick. There's every reason to be optimistic that Noah
Speaker 1: Brown can develop into badass X type receiver. Absolutely, but
Speaker 1: I'm just not that's that's perhap Yeah, yeah, um, okay,
Speaker 1: I mean, as you might imagine, a lot of wide
Speaker 1: receiver questions, Bryson, my least favorite phrase in the entire
Speaker 1: world DAK friendly. Which one of these guys strikes you
Speaker 1: as a more DAK friendly receiver? He said? He said
Speaker 1: Dj Moore or Courtland Sutton. But I mean whoever you
Speaker 1: feel like, Well, we've seen I'll tell you what, Miller,
Speaker 1: you know, give me the guy with the big catch radius.
Speaker 1: If DAK is not going to be accurate all the time,
Speaker 1: give me the guy with the big with the big
Speaker 1: catch radius. Give me the guy that's gonna snatch the
Speaker 1: ball behind him over his head. Low Miller's that type
Speaker 1: of guy. Yeah, you know, I've seen I've seen I've
Speaker 1: seen more Dj Moore catch up eight different quarterbacks, all
Speaker 1: kinds of things going on. I mean, he makes some
Speaker 1: circus catches too. Give me the guy though you need,
Speaker 1: You need the guy that could separate because he obviously
Speaker 1: has to throw to somebody that's open. Give me the
Speaker 1: guy that could separate. Give me the guy that could
Speaker 1: finish the play with the catch. Give me the guy
Speaker 1: that's got some run after catch. Yeah, you know, the
Speaker 1: thing was sudden, big body guy catches the ball well,
Speaker 1: but not the route runner. Is he gonna struggle with
Speaker 1: routes because he hasn't done it in his career? Is
Speaker 1: it gonna be one of those things that you're gonna learn.
Speaker 1: Is he gonna have to learn? Yeah. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: you can't get better at it, but I'm also saying,
Speaker 1: you know, hey, give me the guy that can from
Speaker 1: the jump, can get in there. Whatever he has to do, routes,
Speaker 1: he gets open, finds a way, find some space, give
Speaker 1: it up for the quarterback finish the play. And I
Speaker 1: you know, we're so used to that. I mean, for
Speaker 1: the last decade, Des Bryant, and I mean he was
Speaker 1: a very good all around receiver, but he struggled last
Speaker 1: year with some of that catch and stuff. Though, well
Speaker 1: big time. Why he's not here, but he used he
Speaker 1: used his insane athleticism to make up for a lack
Speaker 1: of polish in other areas. I would be interested to
Speaker 1: see what this team would look like with a very
Speaker 1: polished receiver who used that to make up for non
Speaker 1: elite athletics. Yeah, I mean you see that work all
Speaker 1: over the league. Um looking down here at I'm looking
Speaker 1: down here to hit me, No, just periscope. People are like,
Speaker 1: you need to address the coaching situation here. I think
Speaker 1: we address the coaching situation all the time on this show,
Speaker 1: which on this show, on all our shows, and I
Speaker 1: try and fire the guy every year. I mean, please, folks,
Speaker 1: don't leave the coaching thing along. Were they more? They're
Speaker 1: they're like, you know, why why the problems? You know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's coaching. Yeah, we try, we talk about that. People
Speaker 1: are saying, you should address the coaching situation. You know,
Speaker 1: he's got it. There'll be a new receivers coach here,
Speaker 1: you know, there'll be some new ideas. No, they're just
Speaker 1: making comments. They don't. They're they're tired of blaming the players.
Speaker 1: Periscope comments are my favorite. Yeah, yeah, that's that's I mean,
Speaker 1: there we go. Yeah, need to separate the head coach
Speaker 1: from the team, much bigger concern, Rob. Okay, yeah, we
Speaker 1: get you. Wow, I've tried. Yeah, let's not act like
Speaker 1: I haven't. So Rob, you can kind of walk into
Speaker 1: the draft now you've you've had your say, I've got
Speaker 1: you out there. That is a word wild conversation in
Speaker 1: the Sinuary, December and January. Sure it is. If they
Speaker 1: don't win games, then Rob, you'll get your wish on
Speaker 1: April sixteenth. If you're absolutely whining about that, I don't
Speaker 1: know what to tell you. Yeah, exactly. We'll see what
Speaker 1: happens this coming season. Okay, go ahead, I'm starting a
Speaker 1: new reptation. So you're good. They caught my eye there,
Speaker 1: you know. And I feel like we talk about the
Speaker 1: coaching situation a lot on all our platforms. Yeah, we do.
Speaker 1: We do. It's not some of these things that like, oh,
Speaker 1: because Jerry Jones signs our Chucks, you guys can't talk.
Speaker 1: That's such bs. Yeah, it is such bs. Absolutely yep.
Speaker 1: Um Okay, So here's and I mean, okay, wide receiver,
Speaker 1: but now you're looking linebacker, wide receiver and then a
Speaker 1: lot of people and I think they're right. Offensive guard
Speaker 1: is another thing you gotta consider. So Chad says, you know,
Speaker 1: between wide receiver and guard, where do you get the
Speaker 1: better value at nineteen? And where do you get the
Speaker 1: better value at fifty? And the guard thing, the guard
Speaker 1: thing at fifty is gonna not be as I think
Speaker 1: you would have to trade up. I just see In
Speaker 1: and Hernandez being late ones, early twos if we not
Speaker 1: and we we beat winning Hernandez into the ground in
Speaker 1: February early we did because and now we're not talking
Speaker 1: about it at all. Yeah, is that a mistake. No,
Speaker 1: I think that. I think that they're still in play.
Speaker 1: I think a guard. They didn't visit either one. Yeah
Speaker 1: but this, but but they visited a guy like Daniels. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they visited He could be like a guard center or
Speaker 1: center guard combination guy. This team also has a relationship
Speaker 1: with Hernandez. I mean, like they do him, they do well,
Speaker 1: So they do but well and okay, well let's talk
Speaker 1: about about that. I mean, can this team get away
Speaker 1: with not drafting a guard until day three, Well, obviously
Speaker 1: feel pretty good about Martin Marcus Martin, or or feel
Speaker 1: pretty good that they're gonna move Vile College. That's that
Speaker 1: to me. Dave is the ultimate thing. Did you see
Speaker 1: Did you see his Instagram post last night? You probably
Speaker 1: probably not what happened on a millennial like me. He
Speaker 1: just he posted a photo of himself and he's like,
Speaker 1: I can't wait to get back to work. But he
Speaker 1: put hashtag right side. Yeah, and he's I mean, it's
Speaker 1: not up to Collins at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: but I know where he wants to be. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: figured things out on that right side. I don't move
Speaker 1: Vile Colins now that that's what this team does. I know,
Speaker 1: they move guys around. And then like again, we go
Speaker 1: back to forty eight games of Byron Jones. Hey, Byron,
Speaker 1: by the way, We're gonna move you the corner now,
Speaker 1: you know, and maybe maybe Christi Shard has a better
Speaker 1: plan for him. Maybe it's the secondary. You'll see some
Speaker 1: things differently here with this with this group, may you know,
Speaker 1: I mean as the way they play, the concepts, how
Speaker 1: they attack people. Let's not Rob Mary Nolly can learn
Speaker 1: some things. He could definitely learn some things from Christier
Speaker 1: Shard especially. I mean, yeah, a former defensive coordinator on
Speaker 1: his staff absolutely is like a young buck. Absolutely absolutely. Um.
Speaker 1: I really like this question from Eric. It's really more
Speaker 1: just about scouting in general than any specific player. But
Speaker 1: he wants to know how many games of tape do
Speaker 1: you need to watch to get a player? And then, yeah,
Speaker 1: compare Obviously you're trying to get as many guys as possible,
Speaker 1: you're doing it for a podcast. Compare what you do
Speaker 1: now to what you did then. Well, back then in
Speaker 1: two thousand and five, when I was lasting in a
Speaker 1: draft room, in a scattering room, you had beta tapes, sape.
Speaker 1: She just popped the tape into the and so you
Speaker 1: had games. He's just wall of beta tapes and you
Speaker 1: went and okay, let's grab the Florida State Miami game.
Speaker 1: Boom pop it in. Nowadays, with the way with the
Speaker 1: DV sport and the way they have things cut up
Speaker 1: for us, I mean I could physically go in and
Speaker 1: watch every third down throw that Josh Allen made, right
Speaker 1: from from the first throw to the last throw. I
Speaker 1: could say, okay, I could program and say show me
Speaker 1: all his intercepts, show me show me all his interceptions,
Speaker 1: show me all his touchdown passes. Yeah, when we want. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's how we watch it. Oh, we're watching tape and
Speaker 1: it's just one crappy play after the next one, like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this guy's terrible, and you realize that
Speaker 1: it's all lumped together. Yeah, then you get to the
Speaker 1: good plays and you're like, oh, this guy never does
Speaker 1: anything wrong. They had they had it now to the
Speaker 1: point where they could break plays down to like for
Speaker 1: an offensive lineman run pass. You know, they could break
Speaker 1: it down to pass sets. They could break it down
Speaker 1: to down a distance. They could. It's so much different
Speaker 1: than when I was. But to feel good about a player,
Speaker 1: like I say, when they cut up a player here
Speaker 1: and put it in that machine, I could watch a
Speaker 1: wide receiver and it's thirteen games, right, you know it's
Speaker 1: or you know some of the case of Ridley you're playing,
Speaker 1: you got playoff games. You could even go to well,
Speaker 1: we and we have talked to scouts though that's saying
Speaker 1: you can't undervalue that. You can't forget the value of
Speaker 1: watching a full game of tape, not at all. How
Speaker 1: many how many games usually four per per player. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when you sit down back again back in the day
Speaker 1: and then in the nineties and early two thousands, you
Speaker 1: would sit down and you would you would you would
Speaker 1: find four really good games of a guy. You always
Speaker 1: want to see him against good competition. You know, you
Speaker 1: would skip through some. You know, you would skip through
Speaker 1: some if a team had a really good set of
Speaker 1: wide receivers and you're watching a corner, that's what you
Speaker 1: try and do. You try and watch him. I was
Speaker 1: watching today. I was watching Boseman, the center from Alabama. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he was playing in the in the National Championship game,
Speaker 1: and I was watching him trying block Roquant Smith. That
Speaker 1: sounds fun and you know, and he you know, if
Speaker 1: he was getting him one at it every four times,
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, that's a pretty good day right there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think that usually four games, if you're
Speaker 1: just doing straight, straight tape, is what you would do.
Speaker 1: You made me do this in the first segment, So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna return the favor Dylan wants us to compare
Speaker 1: Rashaan Evans and Leyton vander esh and say, two of
Speaker 1: the definite favorites to be the pick at number nineteen.
Speaker 1: Just what are you getting in each of them? What
Speaker 1: does one do that the other doesn't do as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just looking at my notes for Rashaun Evans, and
Speaker 1: if he gave me a choice of one over the other,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take Evans. Okay, So I'm gonna take And
Speaker 1: I think that with Evans, and this is a square player,
Speaker 1: and I mean squaring the way the way he plays
Speaker 1: along the line of scrimmage. He finds his way to
Speaker 1: the ball. He plays off blocks. He sometimes he'll guess
Speaker 1: a little bit, not as much as what we saw
Speaker 1: with our guy at at the University of Texas that
Speaker 1: tends to guests at linebacker Malik Malik. But but he
Speaker 1: does have quick reactions. He can work through the cracks
Speaker 1: and the gaps. He'll fall back inside to make tackles.
Speaker 1: He's not afraid to step up and take on blockers.
Speaker 1: He's a physical player. I think that's the biggest difference
Speaker 1: between him and Vanderish. I think this guy is I
Speaker 1: think Evans is a much more physical player. I think Vanderish,
Speaker 1: for his size, relies more on his athletic ability to
Speaker 1: get sideline to sideline to kind of avoid blocks. Danes right,
Speaker 1: you watch the Oregon game Oregon in block. But Oregan's
Speaker 1: got one player Crosby the offensive tackle. You know everybody
Speaker 1: else's can't block. Yeah, you know that's why the coach
Speaker 1: left to go to Florida State. I mean it's a
Speaker 1: good job, but still, you know you're in a situation
Speaker 1: right now where you know Vanderish, I'm watching him and
Speaker 1: he's just running past guys. Guys aren't even be getting
Speaker 1: second level blocks on him. So I think that's the really,
Speaker 1: really biggest the difference I like to evans I think
Speaker 1: he will give himself up to help a teammate, Like
Speaker 1: he will give himself up on a block, take on
Speaker 1: two blocks. So some one of his teammates, you know,
Speaker 1: Mica Fitzpatrick or somebody, can come up and make a tackle.
Speaker 1: He will. He will do that. So I think he's
Speaker 1: got a really good concept of that. Like Vanderesh, though
Speaker 1: he can cover some ground. I just like the physicality
Speaker 1: of him more than I do Vanderish. That's the way
Speaker 1: I kind of say that is the one thing I
Speaker 1: love about evans Y. He just brings the thunder. Oh
Speaker 1: he just keeps. He attacks, He attacks, he attacks, and
Speaker 1: he's he's physical. He hits and like I say, Vanderesh
Speaker 1: tends to get when he is in like position to
Speaker 1: take on Blox, he will kind of his head will
Speaker 1: go down. He will go down like his shoulders. His
Speaker 1: head goes down, and then he kind of misses, you know,
Speaker 1: he kind of a miss miss taken on the block
Speaker 1: and then it kind of affects him on the tackle.
Speaker 1: Vanderish can cover. Though. Vanderesh can cover. His athletic to cover,
Speaker 1: he can run. He is the sideline to online player.
Speaker 1: Don't compare him to Bobby Carpenter, though I know some
Speaker 1: people out there they're thinking because he's a white linebacker,
Speaker 1: he's Bobby Carpenter. He's not Bobby Carpenter. He's a much
Speaker 1: better player, much better athlete than Bobby Carpenter. How much
Speaker 1: more time we got, I'll tell you what one more
Speaker 1: and then we will. How about I promise oft the
Speaker 1: board here? I promised to go off the board. Uh
Speaker 1: let's see here, everybody's on board with Jack SINCHI, by
Speaker 1: the way, that's something. Yeah, fire question real quick. The
Speaker 1: next question I see here on Oh boy, let's see. Yeah,
Speaker 1: vander Esh gets lost in the trash. I don't always
Speaker 1: see that, you know, I don't, But anyway. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: we gotta go to break. I didn't get a question,
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Speaker 1: it's all about. You said something about the elephant in
Speaker 1: the room up, that elephant residing in the Great Northwest,
Speaker 1: the elephant that wears teal and navy blue. You're yeah,
Speaker 1: whatever those damn colors are. I don't know. Um, I'll
Speaker 1: get I mean, okay, is this why you made this move?
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're freeing up money to do
Speaker 1: this or you fear you have money to go All right,
Speaker 1: let's let's let's bring it and let's tie it into
Speaker 1: the draft. Are you willing to again? I am not
Speaker 1: John Schneider, my my long time buddy, an intern, former intern.
Speaker 1: He is not getting anything more than my fiftieth pick.
Speaker 1: That's it. I'm not going to give him any more
Speaker 1: than fifty. And I think to get this guy done,
Speaker 1: that's a great way to set this up, because I
Speaker 1: think you're making a mistake if you think that that's
Speaker 1: what this means. You're like, oh, they cut that you
Speaker 1: were going here? Yeah, I like it, I like it. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're making a mistake if you think that. They're just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is what we're doing. We're freeing up some space.
Speaker 1: We're going after Earl. Yeah. But again, that's kind of
Speaker 1: the MLA. This team is. You make moves, free you
Speaker 1: up to be as flexible as possible in the draft,
Speaker 1: right right, Well, you got three picks in the first
Speaker 1: two days. You got way more cap space than you
Speaker 1: used to. You know, this is just me supposing, but
Speaker 1: Seattle is probably asking for a lot right now. They
Speaker 1: do not have a second or a third round. Maybe
Speaker 1: when that clock starts ticking on Thursday or Friday, all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, that price becomes a little more negotiable. Right,
Speaker 1: And again, I have no idea if this is going
Speaker 1: to happen. If I was a betting man, I would
Speaker 1: say no way, I really, I don't think so. If
Speaker 1: I had to guess, I would say no. But it
Speaker 1: is not like a week ago it was not possible.
Speaker 1: I don't think you can't, Like you can't give up
Speaker 1: what you'd have to give to get him and pay
Speaker 1: him and manage all those salaries. Yeah, it is possible
Speaker 1: now it is. It's totally possible now it is. Will
Speaker 1: it happen? I doubt it. But maybe you call him
Speaker 1: on Thursday or Friday and have a little chat and
Speaker 1: see how they I talked to him Thursday morning for
Speaker 1: the day the morning the draft. You would I would
Speaker 1: I thought you said you did talk to him. No, No,
Speaker 1: I would tell me more. If I was the Cowboys, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd call John Snyder Thursday morning, I said, you've changed
Speaker 1: your mind on that guy. I'd call him again Friday morning,
Speaker 1: Oh sure, and say, yeah, you're not going to pick
Speaker 1: tonight unless you want to do to do some business. Yea.
Speaker 1: So well, that's the thing about it, too, is he's
Speaker 1: got to figure out that he's got to look at
Speaker 1: the situation, say, he's probably not going to get role
Speaker 1: Thomas back, and he's dismantling that defense one piece at
Speaker 1: a time. Is what he's doing. Would you give you
Speaker 1: would not give up fifty and eighty one? Nope? What
Speaker 1: about fifty and one sixteen? Nope? Fifty and one ninety
Speaker 1: two nope? Really seriously, seriously, I would give up fifty.
Speaker 1: I would give up fifty and one thirty seven. No
Speaker 1: reason too, Okay, no reason too. He's the one, He's
Speaker 1: the one all pro well. Would let me ask you this,
Speaker 1: would you would you give up eighty one on a
Speaker 1: one year rental? Yes? Only eighty one? Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But I would I would give up fifty
Speaker 1: and a fourth with the nah, I would not sure,
Speaker 1: I would do it. I would do it, I know what,
Speaker 1: because he's the one. You've got the leverage here. He
Speaker 1: knows he's not going to resign the guy you've got
Speaker 1: the leverage. But it like, you know what's if you
Speaker 1: if you don't you know what, if you don't want them,
Speaker 1: if you don't want my pick, I'll go draft a player.
Speaker 1: I just scared money. Don't make money. That's the cliche
Speaker 1: I was trying to use. Yeah, I don't, I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm not sing. You know what. Let me let me
Speaker 1: be honest with you. We gave Seattle two first round picks,
Speaker 1: one time for a player they owe the Cowboys. That's
Speaker 1: not how this works. Oh, it should be none if
Speaker 1: the football gods, Oh, Jerry Garry and Stephen Jones are
Speaker 1: the only people on either side who are still around
Speaker 1: to be part of it. I'm here. Oh I remember
Speaker 1: when he said he two ones. I almost I threw
Speaker 1: up in my mouth. You're not in the room where
Speaker 1: it happens, John Hamilton, John Mike Holmgren told me he said, Hey,
Speaker 1: I only asked for the one. I only ask for
Speaker 1: the one first one. I some I severely doubt that
Speaker 1: this happens. But you know, okay, but but but all
Speaker 1: all spring, I've kind of rolled my eyes, like, sure,
Speaker 1: why are we talking about this? But it's I'm not
Speaker 1: rolling my eyes anymore. You're trying to get a Seattle
Speaker 1: type of a scheme in the secondary with players, you know,
Speaker 1: moving byron, join whatever you have to do. Why not
Speaker 1: go get the guy that could play free safety, that
Speaker 1: understands it to explain it to those young kids better
Speaker 1: than anybody. If you can get Seattle to play ball,
Speaker 1: I think it's it's a good idea. Probably not good
Speaker 1: talking about a guy in or contract this way. But yeah,
Speaker 1: we're it's all speculation. Literally. I was going to talk
Speaker 1: about it on Twitter on the twenty. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: couldn't assign it to one guy because so many people
Speaker 1: out know. They wanted on on periscope too, They were
Speaker 1: asking about that. But to them, I say to you, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. If I'm on camera right now pointing
Speaker 1: right at you. Yeah, there we go. You. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: you're expecting it to happen, you're making a mistake. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it is in the realm of we've talked about
Speaker 1: it now, it's plausible. Yeah, it's plausible. Absolutely, it's it's plausible.
Speaker 1: So that's how I feel. I don't give up more
Speaker 1: than I have to, Dave, because I don't feel I
Speaker 1: have to. I feel like a second round pick is
Speaker 1: more than the fair for a thirty year old safety
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna have to pay fifty for Earl. I
Speaker 1: know we've definitely we've talked about going fifty up to
Speaker 1: go get with somebody maybe better. I know we've had
Speaker 1: this exact conversation, but I forgot your answer. Fifty for
Speaker 1: Earl or nineteen and fifty for Darwin James or Roquan
Speaker 1: whatever I like you, like Smith, Smith or James is
Speaker 1: the one I'm trading up for. You like you, you
Speaker 1: always want the younger guy. And I you know, fifty
Speaker 1: fifty for the linebacker would be good for me. Fifty
Speaker 1: for the safety would be good for me. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to say. I'm just trying to say, though,
Speaker 1: if you want fans out there to be back on
Speaker 1: board with what you're trying to do in this front office,
Speaker 1: oh boy, you go make this move. I mean, not
Speaker 1: that they not that they care what we think. That
Speaker 1: I mean I was about to say, but that is
Speaker 1: on out of the way to let us know how
Speaker 1: much they don't care what we Well, no, that's a thing.
Speaker 1: Oh no, absolutely. But see that's what I'm saying though,
Speaker 1: that you could you say, hey, we had to take
Speaker 1: Dez's money to go do this right. Like I've said
Speaker 1: all spring long, that you're a You're not a better
Speaker 1: team with Dez Bryant off the roster, Bright, but with
Speaker 1: Alan Hearns on the roster, Das off the roster, and
Speaker 1: he who must not be named he must not be
Speaker 1: named yet on the roster. I'm sure. Yeah, you're cooking
Speaker 1: with gas you might, and you'd still have nine other
Speaker 1: picks to do this stuff with. I just worry about
Speaker 1: going up in this draft now, David, Why because I
Speaker 1: think these I think the quarterback situation is still so murky.
Speaker 1: You know, where's where's it gonna you know what, what's
Speaker 1: the price going to be? It's somebody gonna hold me
Speaker 1: up for a two and a four to get up
Speaker 1: in there. You know. Yeah, I've done this, I've done
Speaker 1: all those studies. If I want to go to San
Speaker 1: Francisco at two and a four, I want to go
Speaker 1: to Oakley at ten two and five. There's there's there's
Speaker 1: your you know, there's your having to give up multiple
Speaker 1: picks and then and you know, I see, to me,
Speaker 1: that's worth it more so than paying a giving it
Speaker 1: for a thirty year old safety. Yeah, that's where I
Speaker 1: could stomach given to two and a four to San
Speaker 1: Francisco if I knew I was gonna get Quand Smith
Speaker 1: or Derwin James. Yeah, but I hear you, you know
Speaker 1: with with a thirty year old safety that I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have to really pay. Yeah, John take my fifty police.
Speaker 1: I know I said it at the top of the show.
Speaker 1: I mean nothing that happened with Dez should drastically alter
Speaker 1: their their their strategy. But does this team do you
Speaker 1: think this team hasn't has so many pressing needs that
Speaker 1: they can't afford to trade up, Like between you want
Speaker 1: to find a receiver week that's obvious. You need a
Speaker 1: linebacker who can play right away, and you probably at
Speaker 1: least want a guard who can compete with the guys
Speaker 1: that are here for that starting staff. Is that well?
Speaker 1: I wonder if this is a big smoke screen not
Speaker 1: bringing in any guards, but they put in those tackles.
Speaker 1: They brought in mcclinchey and Miller, which tells me that
Speaker 1: they would consider are moving Lyle Collins that they drafted mcclinchy.
Speaker 1: They brought in, didn't they brought in like a mid
Speaker 1: some mid round guard type guys, didn't they Washington State kid? Yeah? Madison,
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right about it, Yeah, Madison. So maybe maybe
Speaker 1: they're talking about a top guy like Hernandez or win
Speaker 1: between Lyle, Marcus Martin, and Joe Looney. Maybe they just
Speaker 1: think that the guys that are here can do it.
Speaker 1: Not to say they don't want to draft the guy,
Speaker 1: but they don't want to spend a top fifty pick
Speaker 1: on a guy, and I can hear a lot of
Speaker 1: people screaming about that. I'm just offering there what they
Speaker 1: might be thinking. What would they scream more about? Honestly,
Speaker 1: what would be the one position that do you think
Speaker 1: they would scream about the offense of the guard? Would
Speaker 1: they scream if they drafted mcclinchy. Somebody would, for sure,
Speaker 1: I mean I would. Why would you take it? Well,
Speaker 1: then they would probably say, we're gonna move Le Collins
Speaker 1: a guard, thank you very much. Their needs are so
Speaker 1: diverse and the options that we've presented are so far
Speaker 1: flung that I think somebody will be really happy about
Speaker 1: damn near anything that they do, and somebody will be
Speaker 1: really mad about it. I mean, I wouldn't want them
Speaker 1: to draft Mike McGlinchey because I don't want them to
Speaker 1: move Lyle Collins. But I can make a compelling case
Speaker 1: for why Mike McGlinchey is a great pick. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean it's easy to do. But sure, Tyrone's injury history,
Speaker 1: the fact that he could start right away, the fact
Speaker 1: that he gives you great depth. Yeah, you put him
Speaker 1: next to Zach Martin. Yeah, and hopefully you get him
Speaker 1: and him McGlinchey and Nelson Collin and then I mean,
Speaker 1: it won't make Lyle Collins happy, but you'll I mean,
Speaker 1: you move him to guard, you'll have a pretty fantastic
Speaker 1: starting five. I'm not doubting that so but that, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the beauty of it. It's it's so wide open
Speaker 1: that I think there will be people that will be
Speaker 1: really happy about whatever they decide to do and people
Speaker 1: that will be really mad about it. That's I mean,
Speaker 1: if they don't, if they have not drafted a guard
Speaker 1: by the end of Friday, there will be a lot
Speaker 1: of people that are really upset about that. I don't
Speaker 1: know if they will be, but yeah, just the way
Speaker 1: it goes, all right, man, that's about all the time.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, look at that. About that, I thought we
Speaker 1: were gonna miss Dane. We did just fine without him.
Speaker 1: Well sometime, Yeah, we do miss Dane out Sterile as
Speaker 1: a fountain of knowledge, no doubt about that. Again. I
Speaker 1: want to thank David Hellman for always coming with some
Speaker 1: great content. Ken Garrison, we thank Kayden, Dave, those guys
Speaker 1: and TV. I want to thank everybody out there for
Speaker 1: fall along with us. I want to thank the folks
Speaker 1: out there on periscope as well. Folks that watched us
Speaker 1: later on, we appreciate you stay tuned. Shannon Gross and
Speaker 1: his band of pirates are going to come in here
Speaker 1: and do a little show for you and hang out
Speaker 1: with him, maybe some carry on, some conversation, maybe some
Speaker 1: more desk talk for you, Bill Drafts, you will be
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