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Speaker 1: Bushkin.

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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of Who's with Me?

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Speaker 2: Episode thirteen. Today's guest is Margaret Show. Before we get

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Speaker 2: to Margaret, let me share my stand up dates. September

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Speaker 2: twenty fifth and twenty six, I'll be in Stanford, Connecticut

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Speaker 2: the New York Comedy Club. October first, I'll be at

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Speaker 2: Stanford University. And then the Bellingham, Washington date, which was

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Speaker 2: in November, has been moved to February twentieth of next year,

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Speaker 2: February twentieth, twenty twenty seven. I had to move it

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Speaker 2: because I had a career conflict and so I wanted

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Speaker 2: to be able to do both things, so we moved

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Speaker 2: it to next year. Sorry, if you're in Bellingham and

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Speaker 2: you're expecting to see me November, your ticket is still there.

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Speaker 2: You still have the ticket if you want to use it,

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Speaker 2: or you can get a refund. But anyway, the date

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Speaker 2: will be February twentieth, twenty twenty seven. Black History Month.

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Speaker 2: Maybe they'll still be a Black Hastrey a month that'll

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Speaker 2: be exciting to find out if Donald Trump, let's us

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Speaker 2: still have Black History Mouth next February. Today's guest again

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Speaker 2: is Community Margaret Choe Friend of mine, Barry Comedian Barry Comedies, Undefeated.

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Speaker 2: As I was always say, she's a political activist, she's

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Speaker 2: a voice for the LGBTQ community, she is queer, she

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Speaker 2: is Korean American. She's here, damn it, she's not here.

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Speaker 2: But we did talk to her. This conversation was taped

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Speaker 2: a few weeks ago, so we didn't talk about the

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Speaker 2: things that we would have talked about if I was

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Speaker 2: talking today, like you know, Lindsey Graham passing away, and

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Speaker 2: also like things going on in the WNBA.

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Speaker 1: We definitely would have talked about that.

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Speaker 2: But this was from a few weeks weeks ago, and

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Speaker 2: as usual, I had not talked to her in a

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Speaker 2: long time. So we talked about some things and didn't

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Speaker 2: gotten too areas, which I was surprised about, but we'll

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Speaker 2: talk about that later. I really would like to talk

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Speaker 2: to Margaret about everything going on the WNBA. I don't

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Speaker 2: know if she's a huge WNBA fan. I am a

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Speaker 2: last year, took my daughter. Both my daughters play basketball,

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Speaker 2: so I think that has made me pay more attention

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Speaker 2: to women's basketball. Also, like everybody's been like, who is

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Speaker 2: this Asian Wilson, I've been hearing a lot about, And

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Speaker 2: who is this Kaitlin Clark, I've been hearing a lot about.

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Speaker 1: Oh, you know, so like I'm.

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Speaker 2: Just sort of like learning in real time, don't really

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Speaker 2: watch the games. But really I'm enjoying the fact that

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Speaker 2: the WNBA is having its moment. Remember when they started

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Speaker 2: thirty years ago. I'm enjoying that it is having its moment.

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Speaker 2: But not everybody's enjoying that the WNBA is having its moment.

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Speaker 1: And it's so funny.

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Speaker 2: I hurt somebody else say this that men who didn't

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Speaker 2: like women's sports useduld just not pay attention to them,

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Speaker 2: and maybe the most they condescended to them. But now

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Speaker 2: men who don't like women's sports are sticking their fingers

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Speaker 2: that sounds gross and it is gross, but they're saying

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Speaker 2: trans women from playing women's sports. I know I've said

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Speaker 2: this other places. I probably said this before. It's just exhausting.

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Speaker 2: And I only know this because I've learned it. I'm

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Speaker 2: not some sort of like born lightened person. This are

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Speaker 1: Let's say that you.

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Speaker 2: Had an issue with trans women playing sports. Let's say

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Speaker 1: Know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: It's like people who are bothered by trans women in

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Speaker 2: he was like, trans people should play in their own

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Speaker 1: That's how small the problem is. It just it just doesn't.

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Speaker 2: There's you're you're you're inventing a transports league, and then

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Speaker 2: as in the billionaires who are destroying our world, like

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Speaker 2: I and I did not come up with that, but

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Speaker 2: is h two x NBA Nobody's they played in his

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Speaker 2: let's accentuate the positive. And in this Cantor Freedom, who's

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Speaker 2: the definition of NBA journeyman. He played for he had

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Speaker 2: He pa he was tall in centers getting money in

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Speaker 2: saying that apparently he thinks the WNBA guidelines say that

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Speaker 2: He's clearly you know, clearly going forward. And then Royce

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Speaker 2: White put up a video saying, I identify as someone

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Speaker 2: They're each grifting, and they both decided to grift the

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Speaker 2: to not do the grifts, because now your grifts look

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Speaker 1: Just a couple of dufises, just a couple.

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Speaker 2: Here's the weird part. And I heard I was listening

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Speaker 2: his family's from Turkey. He lived in Turkey, he came

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Speaker 2: Am I saying that right, the Turkish president at the time,

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Speaker 2: If I'm getting some of these, maybe it's the Prime

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Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just going right now.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, he stood up called out human rights violations

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Speaker 1: In his cantor.

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Speaker 2: Back then, he was in his cantor and he liked

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Speaker 2: his country, especially the NBA a lot of business in China,

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Speaker 2: so they were and he called out Lebron James for

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Speaker 2: not calling out China. He was like, you've stood up

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Speaker 2: But that's when Fox News was like, oh, he's he's

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Speaker 2: And he was like Fox News was like, come to

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Speaker 2: and apparently Royce White, who also had a moment. The

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Speaker 2: He just so he ended up not making a the NBA,

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Speaker 3: That's so weird how they grow up.

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Speaker 4: It is weird, so weird, you see, they're.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very It's funny.

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Speaker 2: They don't they didn't get the social contract, wasn't downloaded

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Speaker 1: These like for seven year old.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really cool.

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Speaker 1: Are we going? I I'm just yammering. We got all

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Speaker 1: that good Margaret show.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for being here, Thank you, this is great.

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Speaker 3: Of course always.

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Speaker 2: And the first I got home, took the bart back

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Speaker 3: To La right, and Patton and Blaine and Brian lived

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Speaker 3: It was like, roach, that's such a weird thing, like

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Speaker 3: Of the fifth towns, everybody moved through. So then who

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Speaker 2: So this is like I always say that we were

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Speaker 2: there was no more deals. So at the time, I

433
00:19:33,264 --> 00:19:34,824
Speaker 2: felt like he was ahead of me. But now I

434
00:19:34,864 --> 00:19:37,144
Speaker 2: look back, Jim Short was the king of San Francisco.

435
00:19:37,184 --> 00:19:40,344
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, Jim Short, ARJ Barker, You'd be in

436
00:19:40,344 --> 00:19:42,504
Speaker 2: town a lot, right, I mean in comics, you know,

437
00:19:42,544 --> 00:19:46,424
Speaker 2: like Robert Hawkins. Yes, Kevin Avery, my good friend Kevin Avery.

438
00:19:46,584 --> 00:19:48,424
Speaker 2: You know, so we were like the baby comics at

439
00:19:48,424 --> 00:19:52,584
Speaker 2: that point. But yeah, like it was really like we

440
00:19:52,584 --> 00:19:54,904
Speaker 2: we were sort of waiting for Hollywood to discover us.

441
00:19:55,264 --> 00:19:56,864
Speaker 2: And at some point we were like, I don't think

442
00:19:56,864 --> 00:20:00,704
Speaker 2: that happens anymore. And then this next generation started Ali Wong,

443
00:20:00,864 --> 00:20:04,904
Speaker 2: Hassan Minhaj, the comics who like Whore Like, oh no, no,

444
00:20:04,944 --> 00:20:08,023
Speaker 2: we we have social media, we understand how to market,

445
00:20:08,264 --> 00:20:10,264
Speaker 2: you know Ali Wong. I remember Ali Wong would do

446
00:20:10,264 --> 00:20:12,504
Speaker 2: shows with the Punchline, would be sold out and she

447
00:20:12,624 --> 00:20:13,144
Speaker 2: was opening.

448
00:20:13,224 --> 00:20:16,464
Speaker 1: I'm like, how is she sung? Because she she was from.

449
00:20:16,304 --> 00:20:18,704
Speaker 2: The San Francisco and she knew how to like sell

450
00:20:18,744 --> 00:20:21,384
Speaker 2: tickets and so yeah, so I really like, you know,

451
00:20:21,384 --> 00:20:24,384
Speaker 2: it was like like mush of Casher, you know, all

452
00:20:24,384 --> 00:20:27,344
Speaker 2: these comics who are now working down here out Madrigal,

453
00:20:27,944 --> 00:20:29,384
Speaker 2: you know, but I sort of had to like I

454
00:20:29,424 --> 00:20:30,744
Speaker 2: sort of went back and go, I think I need

455
00:20:30,744 --> 00:20:33,304
Speaker 2: to repeat my grade with those guys.

456
00:20:33,384 --> 00:20:34,263
Speaker 1: I sort of hung out with them.

457
00:20:34,424 --> 00:20:36,544
Speaker 2: I'm going to hold myself back a couple of years

458
00:20:36,744 --> 00:20:39,783
Speaker 2: and hang out with these guys to relearn how to

459
00:20:39,784 --> 00:20:40,464
Speaker 2: be a comedian.

460
00:20:40,544 --> 00:20:44,824
Speaker 3: Well, because technology changed, it was a lot of the

461
00:20:44,904 --> 00:20:47,344
Speaker 3: sort of old media and then becoming new media and

462
00:20:47,344 --> 00:20:50,344
Speaker 3: then social media. So it was a shift in the

463
00:20:50,384 --> 00:20:54,544
Speaker 3: way that we perceive entertainment as a kind of business too.

464
00:20:55,104 --> 00:20:57,504
Speaker 2: And everybody sort of understood, oh, my social media page

465
00:20:57,544 --> 00:20:59,263
Speaker 2: is not just for my friends, It's for my career,

466
00:20:59,944 --> 00:21:02,304
Speaker 2: like my brand, I'm building a following.

467
00:21:02,304 --> 00:21:03,584
Speaker 1: And that's what Ali I think understood.

468
00:21:03,584 --> 00:21:05,144
Speaker 2: It is like, oh no, I'm not I'm not wasting

469
00:21:05,264 --> 00:21:07,584
Speaker 2: time getting followers on my space just for fun?

470
00:21:08,144 --> 00:21:09,944
Speaker 1: Is or how I can have a career so.

471
00:21:09,864 --> 00:21:12,464
Speaker 3: Smart And then when you do that and also have

472
00:21:13,104 --> 00:21:15,944
Speaker 3: the talent to back it up, that's that's a truly

473
00:21:15,984 --> 00:21:16,944
Speaker 3: incredible thing.

474
00:21:17,304 --> 00:21:19,864
Speaker 2: Well, so, I mean, so I start every episode although

475
00:21:19,904 --> 00:21:22,784
Speaker 2: we've already started because of course by giving people their flowers,

476
00:21:23,184 --> 00:21:25,144
Speaker 2: because it's not just the show where I'm just booking

477
00:21:25,144 --> 00:21:27,344
Speaker 2: people based on we have a slot open. So it's

478
00:21:27,344 --> 00:21:28,904
Speaker 2: really important me to say so. I just want to,

479
00:21:28,904 --> 00:21:32,264
Speaker 2: first of all, thank you. You gave me the first

480
00:21:32,304 --> 00:21:34,824
Speaker 2: like quote of my career that I was able to

481
00:21:34,824 --> 00:21:37,224
Speaker 2: like put on my website and in my bio where

482
00:21:37,264 --> 00:21:40,424
Speaker 2: you compared me to like Bill Hicks, and it was

483
00:21:40,464 --> 00:21:42,424
Speaker 2: just such a like I remember, I said, can you

484
00:21:42,504 --> 00:21:45,464
Speaker 2: I asked you, can you give me a quote? And

485
00:21:45,544 --> 00:21:47,504
Speaker 2: it was it was in my bio for a long time.

486
00:21:47,824 --> 00:21:49,544
Speaker 2: You know, Margaret Chow says, he's funny, you know what

487
00:21:49,544 --> 00:21:49,824
Speaker 2: I mean.

488
00:21:49,944 --> 00:21:53,224
Speaker 3: Well, then you've transcended Bill Hicks. If you know now

489
00:21:53,264 --> 00:21:55,744
Speaker 3: you've done so much more than I'm doing.

490
00:21:56,024 --> 00:21:58,904
Speaker 2: I feel like I've headed my own direction and like

491
00:21:58,944 --> 00:22:01,944
Speaker 2: which I'm very you know understand that we're all ultimately

492
00:22:01,944 --> 00:22:04,624
Speaker 2: we're all trying to find ourselves, right, but it really

493
00:22:04,744 --> 00:22:07,464
Speaker 2: was important that you for me, you gave me that

494
00:22:07,864 --> 00:22:11,544
Speaker 2: opportunity that like you understood the value of that. And

495
00:22:11,584 --> 00:22:13,504
Speaker 2: you because sometimes you ask comic for a quote and

496
00:22:13,544 --> 00:22:15,264
Speaker 2: they'll write you a funny quote.

497
00:22:15,264 --> 00:22:16,504
Speaker 1: Like this does no good.

498
00:22:16,904 --> 00:22:17,624
Speaker 4: That's no good.

499
00:22:18,144 --> 00:22:18,544
Speaker 3: Yeah.

500
00:22:18,544 --> 00:22:20,224
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean that's funny, but it's not going to

501
00:22:20,264 --> 00:22:23,624
Speaker 2: help me book any gigs. He gave me a full

502
00:22:23,664 --> 00:22:25,304
Speaker 2: throated like this person is.

503
00:22:25,744 --> 00:22:29,904
Speaker 3: Important, you know, a resonant thing that's going to have value.

504
00:22:30,144 --> 00:22:30,384
Speaker 1: Yeah.

505
00:22:30,464 --> 00:22:33,624
Speaker 2: So I really appreciated that. And uh and you know,

506
00:22:33,664 --> 00:22:35,744
Speaker 2: at one point we had the same manager. That's a

507
00:22:35,784 --> 00:22:38,304
Speaker 2: whole story. So but it just like I really look

508
00:22:38,344 --> 00:22:40,304
Speaker 2: at you as someone who like helped me like get

509
00:22:40,304 --> 00:22:42,104
Speaker 2: through the door. And then I've seen you sort of

510
00:22:42,424 --> 00:22:45,024
Speaker 2: take pride in that with other people. Oh yeah, like

511
00:22:45,064 --> 00:22:47,424
Speaker 2: you really do take this sort of like you know,

512
00:22:48,264 --> 00:22:49,504
Speaker 2: I don't know how you describe it, but like I've

513
00:22:49,544 --> 00:22:52,783
Speaker 2: call the mother of like you know, the of Asian

514
00:22:52,784 --> 00:22:55,184
Speaker 2: comedians and the comedy mother and like yeah, and I

515
00:22:55,184 --> 00:22:57,584
Speaker 2: think that's important because not everybody values that.

516
00:22:58,024 --> 00:23:01,784
Speaker 3: I love doing that because when I look and see

517
00:23:01,824 --> 00:23:04,344
Speaker 3: people that are doing great work, I want to take

518
00:23:04,384 --> 00:23:05,104
Speaker 3: ownership of it.

519
00:23:05,264 --> 00:23:06,704
Speaker 1: Yeah.

520
00:23:06,824 --> 00:23:10,104
Speaker 3: It's not like so altruistic like I for me, it's like,

521
00:23:10,184 --> 00:23:13,704
Speaker 3: oh that's because of me. I did something similar. They

522
00:23:13,704 --> 00:23:15,864
Speaker 3: saw me do something similar and they thought I could

523
00:23:15,904 --> 00:23:18,264
Speaker 3: do that. And then so I'm like Okay, I basically

524
00:23:18,264 --> 00:23:21,384
Speaker 3: did that, and they're taking my work and making it better. Yeah,

525
00:23:21,464 --> 00:23:24,784
Speaker 3: they're taking what they saw me do and doing so

526
00:23:24,904 --> 00:23:27,303
Speaker 3: much better. And it's like, oh gosh, it's such a

527
00:23:27,344 --> 00:23:28,384
Speaker 3: great thing to see.

528
00:23:28,784 --> 00:23:31,944
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and I think that you certainly I'm the

529
00:23:31,944 --> 00:23:35,944
Speaker 2: one that I want your show, your stand up show,

530
00:23:35,944 --> 00:23:37,744
Speaker 2: solo show, how do you call it? Because I feel

531
00:23:37,744 --> 00:23:39,344
Speaker 2: like living in the barrier. It's all the same to me.

532
00:23:39,504 --> 00:23:42,864
Speaker 2: But like, really, like, you know, was such a bold

533
00:23:42,944 --> 00:23:44,744
Speaker 2: statement for a comedian to make, and now that's the

534
00:23:44,824 --> 00:23:47,624
Speaker 2: kind of things that like, yeah, the comedians do that now. Yeah,

535
00:23:47,824 --> 00:23:49,184
Speaker 2: but you really kicked o from the door for a

536
00:23:49,184 --> 00:23:52,224
Speaker 2: comedian who is known to be vulnerable on stage and

537
00:23:52,264 --> 00:23:53,304
Speaker 2: to give a damn.

538
00:23:53,424 --> 00:23:57,744
Speaker 3: Yeah and to feel like you can choose yourself that

539
00:23:57,784 --> 00:24:01,384
Speaker 3: you don't. It doesn't have to be self deprecation, you know,

540
00:24:01,544 --> 00:24:04,424
Speaker 3: or where we reject ourselves, which is so much of

541
00:24:04,464 --> 00:24:06,824
Speaker 3: what comedy is based on. There's something that's very funny

542
00:24:06,824 --> 00:24:09,424
Speaker 3: about that too. Yeah, but it's a place where we

543
00:24:09,464 --> 00:24:12,464
Speaker 3: could actually feel like, no, I'm I'm going to matter

544
00:24:12,584 --> 00:24:13,704
Speaker 3: and it's okay to matter.

545
00:24:14,104 --> 00:24:16,303
Speaker 1: Well, it's also I always find the self deprecation thing.

546
00:24:16,304 --> 00:24:19,344
Speaker 2: It's like it just means something different if you if

547
00:24:19,344 --> 00:24:22,784
Speaker 2: a if a white male comedian self deprecates himself in

548
00:24:22,864 --> 00:24:25,424
Speaker 2: front of a group of white people, it's different than

549
00:24:25,464 --> 00:24:28,184
Speaker 2: if an Asian woman goes in front of a mostly

550
00:24:28,184 --> 00:24:30,984
Speaker 2: white audience and self deprecates because there's not the same

551
00:24:31,064 --> 00:24:34,184
Speaker 2: level of like of like, oh, you're just having fun.

552
00:24:34,744 --> 00:24:38,344
Speaker 3: No, it's it's a kind of re establishing of white

553
00:24:38,344 --> 00:24:41,664
Speaker 3: supremacy that you don't want to do, that you don't

554
00:24:41,784 --> 00:24:44,384
Speaker 3: need to do because society is always going to do

555
00:24:44,464 --> 00:24:47,504
Speaker 3: that for us. So if we can stand out against

556
00:24:47,504 --> 00:24:52,144
Speaker 3: that and use our intelligence and our gifts to supersede that,

557
00:24:52,504 --> 00:24:56,184
Speaker 3: then you're making a dent in the idea of white supremacy.

558
00:24:56,304 --> 00:24:56,664
Speaker 4: Entirely.

559
00:24:57,704 --> 00:24:58,744
Speaker 1: I knew we'd get there eventually.

560
00:24:58,744 --> 00:25:01,263
Speaker 2: I didn't know in early white supremacy, said multiple times

561
00:25:01,824 --> 00:25:03,384
Speaker 2: when Margaret, we get there, So thank.

562
00:25:03,264 --> 00:25:03,904
Speaker 1: You for being sold.

563
00:25:03,944 --> 00:25:06,783
Speaker 3: All we do is fight against it, and you know,

564
00:25:06,824 --> 00:25:09,664
Speaker 3: we have to be really canny about it because people

565
00:25:09,704 --> 00:25:12,744
Speaker 3: don't want to hear a about like dealing with it.

566
00:25:12,784 --> 00:25:14,664
Speaker 3: They want to feel like we live in a post

567
00:25:14,744 --> 00:25:18,344
Speaker 3: racism world. And that's just the Yeah.

568
00:25:18,424 --> 00:25:21,024
Speaker 2: Most it is true, yeah, yeah, most, more and more

569
00:25:21,064 --> 00:25:22,904
Speaker 2: every day. Yeah, And I really do appreciate the fact

570
00:25:22,944 --> 00:25:25,184
Speaker 2: that you're not. You have this sort of great ability

571
00:25:25,224 --> 00:25:27,824
Speaker 2: to be high minded and also gutter, which I think

572
00:25:27,904 --> 00:25:30,904
Speaker 2: makes the best comedians. Like I'm not I'm not so

573
00:25:31,064 --> 00:25:32,544
Speaker 2: woke that I can't be in the gutter.

574
00:25:32,664 --> 00:25:34,624
Speaker 4: You know, we have to like do it.

575
00:25:34,584 --> 00:25:40,144
Speaker 3: From the gutter because it's so important. That's what comedy is.

576
00:25:40,584 --> 00:25:43,344
Speaker 3: It's but to hit the high and low. That's where

577
00:25:43,384 --> 00:25:44,784
Speaker 3: I want to be all the time.

578
00:25:44,984 --> 00:25:46,584
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Yeah.

579
00:25:46,864 --> 00:25:48,384
Speaker 2: The other thing I want to thank you for is

580
00:25:48,424 --> 00:25:50,224
Speaker 2: give your flowers for is like I don't know if

581
00:25:50,224 --> 00:25:51,704
Speaker 2: you've heard me tell I told the story a lot

582
00:25:51,744 --> 00:25:55,584
Speaker 2: and it mentions you. So we were on Celebrity Jeopardy together. Yeah,

583
00:25:55,824 --> 00:25:59,264
Speaker 2: last season we were on the same episode. And I've

584
00:25:59,264 --> 00:26:01,263
Speaker 2: said repeatedly the only reason I made it to the

585
00:26:01,304 --> 00:26:03,864
Speaker 2: finals is because Margaret Show went too hard of the

586
00:26:03,904 --> 00:26:04,584
Speaker 2: daily doubles.

587
00:26:04,624 --> 00:26:04,904
Speaker 4: I did.

588
00:26:04,944 --> 00:26:08,864
Speaker 3: So I just sin a pride the ciner pride. Pride

589
00:26:08,904 --> 00:26:11,744
Speaker 3: goes before the fall, and that's what it is, such

590
00:26:11,744 --> 00:26:15,744
Speaker 3: a biblical thing. I just have so much pride when

591
00:26:15,744 --> 00:26:17,424
Speaker 3: I go out there and I try to compete on

592
00:26:17,464 --> 00:26:17,864
Speaker 3: that show.

593
00:26:18,064 --> 00:26:20,344
Speaker 2: I'd never seen you like that before, Like you were

594
00:26:20,384 --> 00:26:23,024
Speaker 2: like ready, you had studied. Yeah, I never I've never

595
00:26:23,064 --> 00:26:25,384
Speaker 2: seen like the sort of the the I don't know

596
00:26:25,424 --> 00:26:29,984
Speaker 2: the Asian student version of Margaret Show exists, like your

597
00:26:29,984 --> 00:26:31,744
Speaker 2: own Tiger Mom would come out and you're like, I'm

598
00:26:31,784 --> 00:26:33,864
Speaker 2: here to win. Yeah, we'll tell a couple, we'll tell

599
00:26:33,904 --> 00:26:35,144
Speaker 2: a couple jokes, but just a couple.

600
00:26:35,544 --> 00:26:36,024
Speaker 1: I'm here.

601
00:26:36,424 --> 00:26:38,504
Speaker 2: And just because you went I think you went true

602
00:26:38,544 --> 00:26:41,224
Speaker 2: daily double twice on that episode, yes, which just how

603
00:26:41,264 --> 00:26:42,944
Speaker 2: the things fell. And if you hadn't done that, and

604
00:26:42,944 --> 00:26:45,344
Speaker 2: if you hadn't gone true Daily double, I don't think

605
00:26:45,384 --> 00:26:46,144
Speaker 2: I would have won.

606
00:26:45,984 --> 00:26:46,744
Speaker 1: That that game.

607
00:26:46,824 --> 00:26:48,824
Speaker 3: So I know, I think you did very well. I

608
00:26:48,824 --> 00:26:53,104
Speaker 3: mean you you were so good on like sports knowledge

609
00:26:53,144 --> 00:26:55,384
Speaker 3: and things that I had no idea. I mean, you know,

610
00:26:55,464 --> 00:26:59,184
Speaker 3: it's weird how you'll find these hidden veins of knowledge

611
00:26:59,424 --> 00:27:00,064
Speaker 3: in yourself.

612
00:27:00,264 --> 00:27:02,624
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it is fun. I remember there's a and

613
00:27:02,704 --> 00:27:04,464
Speaker 2: I think it's the first episode I did in Jeopardy.

614
00:27:04,624 --> 00:27:06,744
Speaker 2: There's a part of me like the question is about

615
00:27:07,184 --> 00:27:10,104
Speaker 2: this Japanese religion blah blah blah, and I ring in,

616
00:27:10,384 --> 00:27:11,584
Speaker 2: and I'm like why am I bring in? And I

617
00:27:11,624 --> 00:27:15,224
Speaker 2: go what is Shintoism? And and Ken is like you're right,

618
00:27:15,344 --> 00:27:17,144
Speaker 2: did you surprise yourself. I go, yeah, I did. I

619
00:27:17,184 --> 00:27:18,944
Speaker 2: don't know why. I don't know why I thought I

620
00:27:18,984 --> 00:27:20,544
Speaker 2: knew that. I don't know why I thought to guess.

621
00:27:20,544 --> 00:27:21,824
Speaker 2: I don't know why I took a chance. But it

622
00:27:21,904 --> 00:27:24,263
Speaker 2: is weird how that when you're on the show, if

623
00:27:24,344 --> 00:27:26,584
Speaker 2: you get into the right zone, you're just sort of

624
00:27:26,704 --> 00:27:27,384
Speaker 2: it's like the matrix.

625
00:27:27,424 --> 00:27:28,864
Speaker 1: You're just like, oh, I see it, it's right there.

626
00:27:28,944 --> 00:27:31,544
Speaker 3: Yeah, and your mind will capture these things that you

627
00:27:31,584 --> 00:27:34,184
Speaker 3: didn't even realize. So that's why it's so it's so

628
00:27:34,304 --> 00:27:37,304
Speaker 3: fun to watch people when those answers surprised them.

629
00:27:37,504 --> 00:27:40,304
Speaker 2: And then I went back for Celebrit Jeffrey All Stars

630
00:27:40,744 --> 00:27:43,744
Speaker 2: and I didn't I uh Mina comes one the whole thing.

631
00:27:43,784 --> 00:27:45,104
Speaker 1: I lost my round.

632
00:27:45,184 --> 00:27:47,224
Speaker 2: Because when you they brought us back the winners of

633
00:27:47,264 --> 00:27:49,783
Speaker 2: Selebri Jefrey for the for the semi finals. So but

634
00:27:49,824 --> 00:27:52,024
Speaker 2: that didn't go as well for me. But it's it's.

635
00:27:51,864 --> 00:27:53,544
Speaker 1: Also it's hard to get back in that zone of

636
00:27:53,664 --> 00:27:54,783
Speaker 1: like it's a real thing.

637
00:27:54,824 --> 00:27:56,464
Speaker 3: You have to see the button and everything, and it's

638
00:27:56,584 --> 00:27:59,184
Speaker 3: really hard. Yeah, but yeah, I always wonder like how

639
00:27:59,264 --> 00:28:02,304
Speaker 3: they go with the champions, and because I've seen the

640
00:28:02,384 --> 00:28:06,304
Speaker 3: champions come back like Ike and and Lisa. You know,

641
00:28:06,384 --> 00:28:08,624
Speaker 3: they've come back on you, so they come back. So

642
00:28:08,664 --> 00:28:11,664
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, it's it's so it's not like drag Race.

643
00:28:11,984 --> 00:28:13,464
Speaker 4: It's not like I.

644
00:28:13,384 --> 00:28:15,144
Speaker 3: Was thinking, oh, this is a lot like drag Race,

645
00:28:15,184 --> 00:28:16,504
Speaker 3: but it's actually not like drag Race.

646
00:28:16,984 --> 00:28:18,664
Speaker 2: I kind of wish I didn't have to go back

647
00:28:18,664 --> 00:28:20,944
Speaker 2: and lose, but I did go back and lose, but different.

648
00:28:21,184 --> 00:28:24,624
Speaker 2: But I definitely think they they enjoy they. I think

649
00:28:24,664 --> 00:28:26,624
Speaker 2: there's clearly going to be more celebrit Jeopardy. I'm sure

650
00:28:26,624 --> 00:28:27,264
Speaker 2: you'll get back there.

651
00:28:27,344 --> 00:28:30,464
Speaker 3: I'm sure I have a vendetta now now I really

652
00:28:30,744 --> 00:28:31,984
Speaker 3: I have something to prove.

653
00:28:32,264 --> 00:28:33,024
Speaker 1: You should win.

654
00:28:33,224 --> 00:28:35,664
Speaker 2: You should definitely not end your time without a celebrity

655
00:28:35,704 --> 00:28:38,824
Speaker 2: Jeopardy championship because you deserve. Like I said, I've told

656
00:28:38,824 --> 00:28:40,464
Speaker 2: the story on stage a lot and people love it,

657
00:28:40,464 --> 00:28:43,144
Speaker 2: and I say it's mart I only won because of Margaret.

658
00:28:43,224 --> 00:28:44,504
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so thank you for that.

659
00:28:44,624 --> 00:28:47,064
Speaker 3: Well, thank you, and now you know I'll go back

660
00:28:47,064 --> 00:28:49,664
Speaker 3: and yeah, if I I'll go back kind of with

661
00:28:49,704 --> 00:28:51,904
Speaker 3: an eye patch, like I'm like, I mean, it really

662
00:28:51,944 --> 00:28:54,904
Speaker 3: approved in a very kill bill kind of it is

663
00:28:54,944 --> 00:28:58,144
Speaker 3: really the bride Like it's very that kind of feeling,

664
00:28:58,304 --> 00:29:00,384
Speaker 3: you know, when you when you sort of like go

665
00:29:00,504 --> 00:29:01,824
Speaker 3: and you do really well, and then you go and

666
00:29:01,944 --> 00:29:05,944
Speaker 3: you fail and you're like, I cannot that that last

667
00:29:05,984 --> 00:29:07,064
Speaker 3: experience be failure.

668
00:29:07,144 --> 00:29:09,824
Speaker 2: So I mean I felt like with the New Subberty

669
00:29:09,864 --> 00:29:12,304
Speaker 2: Jeopary arst All Stars, knowing people knew I had won

670
00:29:12,344 --> 00:29:14,144
Speaker 2: the season before and like, I see you're gonna be

671
00:29:14,184 --> 00:29:15,704
Speaker 2: on again, I'd be like, yeah, I'm gonna be on.

672
00:29:16,104 --> 00:29:18,024
Speaker 2: I just felt so like I just wish I could

673
00:29:18,064 --> 00:29:19,504
Speaker 2: just be a winner, just just a winner.

674
00:29:19,544 --> 00:29:21,624
Speaker 3: But yeah, cause people get so excited because when you

675
00:29:21,664 --> 00:29:24,144
Speaker 3: won before, they're so excited to see you on again,

676
00:29:24,224 --> 00:29:25,944
Speaker 3: and then you don't want you can't say anything.

677
00:29:26,144 --> 00:29:27,624
Speaker 2: When it aired, I was in I was in a

678
00:29:27,704 --> 00:29:29,384
Speaker 2: hotel in New York near the airport because I was

679
00:29:29,424 --> 00:29:31,864
Speaker 2: saving money, and I went and the day before I

680
00:29:31,904 --> 00:29:32,704
Speaker 2: ran into this guy He's like.

681
00:29:32,664 --> 00:29:35,104
Speaker 1: You're gonna be on Slurry Jeopardy and then I go yeah.

682
00:29:35,184 --> 00:29:36,984
Speaker 2: And then the next day I'm standing like, you know,

683
00:29:37,024 --> 00:29:38,824
Speaker 2: getting your coffee at the free breakfast and he's like,

684
00:29:39,104 --> 00:29:40,264
Speaker 2: you really disappointed me?

685
00:29:40,344 --> 00:29:45,984
Speaker 3: Oh no, Well, because the fandom get really really invested,

686
00:29:46,544 --> 00:29:48,384
Speaker 3: you know, when if they like you as a player,

687
00:29:49,024 --> 00:29:54,224
Speaker 3: they get like really like I get a bunch of like,

688
00:29:54,704 --> 00:29:57,584
Speaker 3: you know, messages on social media with the right answer.

689
00:29:59,544 --> 00:30:00,904
Speaker 4: How could you not know that?

690
00:30:01,304 --> 00:30:03,704
Speaker 3: Canopy? Canopy?

691
00:30:04,304 --> 00:30:05,504
Speaker 4: It's a gone alot.

692
00:30:06,384 --> 00:30:07,304
Speaker 1: That was one of them that.

693
00:30:09,464 --> 00:30:12,184
Speaker 2: I mean, people don't realize that is your brain is

694
00:30:12,224 --> 00:30:13,984
Speaker 2: such a soup at least that's how I experienced it

695
00:30:14,104 --> 00:30:16,024
Speaker 2: because you're just going from because also you did that

696
00:30:16,024 --> 00:30:18,464
Speaker 2: thing where you jump from category category and my brain

697
00:30:18,504 --> 00:30:19,824
Speaker 2: is I got to stay in one category at a

698
00:30:19,864 --> 00:30:21,424
Speaker 2: time just because my brain gets on.

699
00:30:21,344 --> 00:30:22,224
Speaker 4: A track better.

700
00:30:22,984 --> 00:30:24,904
Speaker 2: I just but like, I know, there's all the strategies

701
00:30:25,064 --> 00:30:26,784
Speaker 2: and so my brain just becomes a soup of like

702
00:30:26,944 --> 00:30:29,824
Speaker 2: I like they could be like come out, spell come out.

703
00:30:29,904 --> 00:30:32,384
Speaker 1: Like ah, I see.

704
00:30:32,384 --> 00:30:35,144
Speaker 4: So hard, you know, yeah it's so hard.

705
00:30:35,744 --> 00:30:38,424
Speaker 3: But yeah it's yeah, we'll we'll, we'll return.

706
00:30:58,224 --> 00:31:00,784
Speaker 1: So I want to just talk to you about you

707
00:31:00,824 --> 00:31:02,824
Speaker 1: have you like you are a stand.

708
00:31:02,584 --> 00:31:04,984
Speaker 2: Up who came out of the gate very quickly and

709
00:31:05,024 --> 00:31:06,704
Speaker 2: we're on the scene and it was like that is

710
00:31:06,944 --> 00:31:10,464
Speaker 2: Margaret like and stand up comedy. It is very rare

711
00:31:10,464 --> 00:31:12,744
Speaker 2: for comedians come out of the gate quickly. It takes

712
00:31:12,784 --> 00:31:14,904
Speaker 2: a while to like, first of all, it's weird to

713
00:31:14,904 --> 00:31:16,704
Speaker 2: be on stage. Yeah, you gotta learn how to write

714
00:31:16,704 --> 00:31:18,584
Speaker 2: for yourself. You got to learn how to handle a

715
00:31:18,624 --> 00:31:20,184
Speaker 2: bad show. You got to learn how to you gotta

716
00:31:20,264 --> 00:31:21,544
Speaker 2: learn how to handle a good show. You don't look

717
00:31:21,584 --> 00:31:23,184
Speaker 2: like you're excited up there when you're having a good show.

718
00:31:23,304 --> 00:31:25,464
Speaker 1: Yeah. And so when I think about these sort.

719
00:31:25,384 --> 00:31:28,664
Speaker 2: Of like these young child prodigy stand ups, it's like

720
00:31:29,944 --> 00:31:32,504
Speaker 2: Hicks was one of those, Chappelle was one of those,

721
00:31:32,824 --> 00:31:34,184
Speaker 2: and you were one of those sort of like out

722
00:31:34,184 --> 00:31:36,144
Speaker 2: of the gate pretty quickly and just like suddenly, like

723
00:31:36,384 --> 00:31:38,944
Speaker 2: on the scene, it was like she's the next one. Yeah,

724
00:31:38,984 --> 00:31:40,584
Speaker 2: And yet and now you're at this place of like

725
00:31:40,664 --> 00:31:44,264
Speaker 2: you've got a career, this whole like, how does does

726
00:31:44,344 --> 00:31:47,344
Speaker 2: young you understand what what would where you were headed?

727
00:31:47,504 --> 00:31:50,584
Speaker 3: I think so, I think so. I guess I didn't

728
00:31:50,624 --> 00:31:54,064
Speaker 3: realize it would always be such a mystery. Comedy is

729
00:31:54,064 --> 00:31:56,144
Speaker 3: still kind of a mystery, and you're still trying to

730
00:31:56,184 --> 00:31:58,224
Speaker 3: discover it. And I, you know, I work on it

731
00:31:58,264 --> 00:32:00,344
Speaker 3: every day and I try to figure it out, but

732
00:32:00,824 --> 00:32:05,424
Speaker 3: it's mostly like how do I figure out how to

733
00:32:05,504 --> 00:32:07,064
Speaker 3: say something? How do I figure out how to tell

734
00:32:07,064 --> 00:32:08,384
Speaker 3: a story? How do I figure out to make a

735
00:32:08,424 --> 00:32:12,224
Speaker 3: point and do it in a with economy of words

736
00:32:12,624 --> 00:32:14,984
Speaker 3: and also do it with like with getting my point across.

737
00:32:15,024 --> 00:32:17,944
Speaker 3: So I didn't realize. I thought at some point I

738
00:32:17,944 --> 00:32:21,024
Speaker 3: would figure it out, but we actually don't.

739
00:32:21,064 --> 00:32:23,464
Speaker 1: I'm a fully fledged comedian, and yeah I do.

740
00:32:23,784 --> 00:32:25,824
Speaker 3: You know, I do a lot of sets like in town,

741
00:32:26,144 --> 00:32:28,824
Speaker 3: like I do, Like I'll go to like the Comedy Store,

742
00:32:28,824 --> 00:32:32,264
Speaker 3: and sometimes that's really challenging, yeh, because you know, you

743
00:32:32,384 --> 00:32:36,184
Speaker 3: have people there that don't necessarily know you or know

744
00:32:36,224 --> 00:32:39,024
Speaker 3: what you're about, and then you're playing with a lot

745
00:32:39,064 --> 00:32:42,664
Speaker 3: of other people who are some very very famous and

746
00:32:42,744 --> 00:32:45,464
Speaker 3: you know, mostly actually at that place is everybody's pretty famous,

747
00:32:45,984 --> 00:32:49,224
Speaker 3: you know, and so you just kind of have to

748
00:32:49,624 --> 00:32:52,144
Speaker 3: You don't have a safe place to like work out

749
00:32:52,584 --> 00:32:55,104
Speaker 3: as much, especially if you have a little bit of notoriety,

750
00:32:55,264 --> 00:32:55,744
Speaker 3: because if you.

751
00:32:55,784 --> 00:32:57,664
Speaker 1: Hit the stage and there's people, oh my god, Margaret

752
00:32:57,664 --> 00:32:58,304
Speaker 1: shows here.

753
00:32:58,184 --> 00:33:01,144
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's this kind of expectation and you want to

754
00:33:01,184 --> 00:33:03,384
Speaker 3: deliver that. But at the same time, like, how where

755
00:33:03,384 --> 00:33:06,264
Speaker 3: do you go about working your stuff out?

756
00:33:06,664 --> 00:33:09,584
Speaker 2: I remember when I had my first show, Totally Biased,

757
00:33:09,904 --> 00:33:12,824
Speaker 2: and Chris Chris was the producer, and I would see

758
00:33:12,864 --> 00:33:15,144
Speaker 2: him do sets around town when he would pop in

759
00:33:15,184 --> 00:33:16,064
Speaker 2: and do surprise thats.

760
00:33:15,904 --> 00:33:17,304
Speaker 1: Of court, people be like, oh my god, Chris Rock.

761
00:33:17,544 --> 00:33:20,184
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he would say, calm down, you did not

762
00:33:20,304 --> 00:33:22,944
Speaker 2: pay the Chris Rock ticket price, so you're not going

763
00:33:23,024 --> 00:33:24,784
Speaker 2: to get that act.

764
00:33:23,864 --> 00:33:26,664
Speaker 1: I love that you did not.

765
00:33:26,904 --> 00:33:29,584
Speaker 2: You didn't pay Madisquare Garden prices, so you're not going

766
00:33:29,624 --> 00:33:31,344
Speaker 2: to get a Madis Square Garden show. And it was

767
00:33:31,344 --> 00:33:34,064
Speaker 2: a way to sort of like disarm the audience quickly

768
00:33:34,104 --> 00:33:36,264
Speaker 2: from like I'm just up here to try some stuff out.

769
00:33:36,344 --> 00:33:39,504
Speaker 3: That's so charming. I mean, that's really but it's true.

770
00:33:39,824 --> 00:33:43,544
Speaker 3: How great that's really that's really special. I always feel though,

771
00:33:43,584 --> 00:33:46,064
Speaker 3: for me, like my ego can't take it, like I

772
00:33:46,104 --> 00:33:49,184
Speaker 3: always have to kill no matter what, and so ego

773
00:33:49,944 --> 00:33:52,664
Speaker 3: egotistically like I think I get so much of my

774
00:33:52,824 --> 00:33:57,264
Speaker 3: own self esteem from comedy, which is dangerous for sure,

775
00:33:57,304 --> 00:34:00,544
Speaker 3: and like wrong, but I've been playing, but I've been

776
00:34:00,544 --> 00:34:02,144
Speaker 3: doing it since I was a child, so I never

777
00:34:02,184 --> 00:34:05,784
Speaker 3: developed the adequate like frontal lobe coping mechanisms that an

778
00:34:05,824 --> 00:34:09,143
Speaker 3: adult this, So I still, you know, do that, and

779
00:34:09,224 --> 00:34:12,263
Speaker 3: so really it's wrong, but I can't help it.

780
00:34:13,064 --> 00:34:13,864
Speaker 1: I mean, there is this.

781
00:34:14,104 --> 00:34:15,664
Speaker 2: I do feel like there's a part of being incentive

782
00:34:15,704 --> 00:34:19,383
Speaker 2: comic that is about sort of maintaining a sense of

783
00:34:19,464 --> 00:34:22,623
Speaker 2: arrested development. You're always looking at the world like I

784
00:34:22,623 --> 00:34:25,143
Speaker 2: don't know if I trust that, you know, or everything

785
00:34:25,223 --> 00:34:27,223
Speaker 2: sort of is fodder for me to make fun of it,

786
00:34:27,263 --> 00:34:28,943
Speaker 2: you know, so of like it just sort of puts

787
00:34:28,984 --> 00:34:35,024
Speaker 2: you to it's always sort of a class clown mentality. Yeah, yeah,

788
00:34:35,064 --> 00:34:38,104
Speaker 2: So what is your like if you're you know, you're

789
00:34:38,143 --> 00:34:40,344
Speaker 2: on tour and you do it, let's say you're starting,

790
00:34:40,384 --> 00:34:42,104
Speaker 2: you know, you're starting the process again, what does that

791
00:34:42,143 --> 00:34:42,623
Speaker 2: look like?

792
00:34:42,623 --> 00:34:42,743
Speaker 1: Like?

793
00:34:42,783 --> 00:34:46,264
Speaker 2: Are you do you take notes? Do you write on stage?

794
00:34:46,263 --> 00:34:48,544
Speaker 2: I'm sorry's curious about people's processes both.

795
00:34:48,743 --> 00:34:53,184
Speaker 3: Like I try every day every day, regardless of whether

796
00:34:53,263 --> 00:34:55,143
Speaker 3: I'm like going on the road or doing a new show.

797
00:34:55,143 --> 00:34:56,744
Speaker 3: I write a joke every day in the morning.

798
00:34:57,223 --> 00:34:57,584
Speaker 4: Always.

799
00:34:57,703 --> 00:35:00,064
Speaker 3: It doesn't have to be funny, okay, doesn't have to

800
00:35:00,064 --> 00:35:03,544
Speaker 3: be usable, but it's like it just starts my mind going,

801
00:35:03,743 --> 00:35:06,823
Speaker 3: that's my purpose to write jokes. My purpose is this,

802
00:35:06,904 --> 00:35:09,504
Speaker 3: and so I'm going to start it and write something

803
00:35:09,544 --> 00:35:13,264
Speaker 3: that may or may not be used, but may also

804
00:35:13,824 --> 00:35:15,703
Speaker 3: be something that I can use. And that's sort of

805
00:35:15,703 --> 00:35:20,223
Speaker 3: a deep thing. And so like today's was so my

806
00:35:20,303 --> 00:35:24,783
Speaker 3: mom was recently diagnosed with dementia, and I'm like, what

807
00:35:24,824 --> 00:35:27,304
Speaker 3: does it mean? Like I'm like, what does that even

808
00:35:27,344 --> 00:35:29,303
Speaker 3: mean to me? Because I've been making fun of her

809
00:35:29,344 --> 00:35:31,743
Speaker 3: like she has dementia all this time, Like I'm like,

810
00:35:31,944 --> 00:35:35,064
Speaker 3: can she now be president? Like can you know she's

811
00:35:35,183 --> 00:35:38,984
Speaker 3: is she ready for public office? Like so it's weird,

812
00:35:39,064 --> 00:35:42,143
Speaker 3: how like that kind of ad I'm like, what is

813
00:35:42,183 --> 00:35:45,863
Speaker 3: the There's a joke there, but it's also up against

814
00:35:45,944 --> 00:35:49,544
Speaker 3: the very real pain of what that means. Like so

815
00:35:50,183 --> 00:35:53,823
Speaker 3: trying to write about that without also giving the kind

816
00:35:53,824 --> 00:35:56,504
Speaker 3: of respect of the tragedy that it is.

817
00:35:56,783 --> 00:35:57,784
Speaker 4: But is it a tragedy?

818
00:35:57,824 --> 00:36:00,263
Speaker 3: I'm not really sure, Like and I'm like, if I

819
00:36:00,303 --> 00:36:04,584
Speaker 3: had dementia, I wouldn't even necessarily know, like she doesn't know.

820
00:36:04,783 --> 00:36:06,423
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And.

821
00:36:06,424 --> 00:36:08,664
Speaker 3: I don't think that's bad, Like all the things about

822
00:36:08,703 --> 00:36:11,544
Speaker 3: me that I don't know, I think it's a okay,

823
00:36:11,663 --> 00:36:14,703
Speaker 3: So I don't know, it's very It's so that's that's

824
00:36:14,743 --> 00:36:16,904
Speaker 3: sort of an example of like it's not funny, but

825
00:36:16,944 --> 00:36:18,704
Speaker 3: it's not not funny, but you're.

826
00:36:18,584 --> 00:36:21,104
Speaker 2: Sort of turning over the turning over the subject matter

827
00:36:21,143 --> 00:36:22,504
Speaker 2: and looking at that, like sort of looking at it

828
00:36:22,544 --> 00:36:25,143
Speaker 2: from different angles to figure out because the other thing

829
00:36:25,183 --> 00:36:27,224
Speaker 2: about your mom is that your mom is a character

830
00:36:27,263 --> 00:36:29,304
Speaker 2: in your act for since the beginning.

831
00:36:29,384 --> 00:36:31,703
Speaker 1: So yeah, the audience is going to have a very.

832
00:36:31,544 --> 00:36:35,464
Speaker 2: Clear emotion emotional response to that news, which makes it

833
00:36:35,504 --> 00:36:37,343
Speaker 2: more than just like a comic because like my mom

834
00:36:37,344 --> 00:36:39,584
Speaker 2: bahma dah dah. Yeah, No, that's not how we feel.

835
00:36:39,623 --> 00:36:41,143
Speaker 2: That's not how the audience feels about your mom.

836
00:36:41,303 --> 00:36:43,504
Speaker 3: Right, it's a very it's a classic character, so the

837
00:36:43,544 --> 00:36:46,623
Speaker 3: voice of my Asian ness and like a commentary on

838
00:36:47,864 --> 00:36:51,424
Speaker 3: the ancestors watching me do what I do. So it's tricky,

839
00:36:51,663 --> 00:36:53,783
Speaker 3: but it's also like my feelings about it are so

840
00:36:53,824 --> 00:36:57,464
Speaker 3: tricky as kind of a person who is older and

841
00:36:57,743 --> 00:37:00,584
Speaker 3: looking at now somebody just in the others the next

842
00:37:00,623 --> 00:37:02,783
Speaker 3: stage of life, like, oh, is that going to be

843
00:37:02,824 --> 00:37:04,703
Speaker 3: my fate? What's that going to look like?

844
00:37:05,223 --> 00:37:07,543
Speaker 1: Yeah? In my actor now I'm talking about my mom's

845
00:37:07,584 --> 00:37:10,464
Speaker 1: eighty nine and healthy. But we just moved in.

846
00:37:10,743 --> 00:37:12,743
Speaker 2: We just found a new home where she could live

847
00:37:12,783 --> 00:37:14,984
Speaker 2: to in her own separate quarters and which means she's

848
00:37:15,143 --> 00:37:16,064
Speaker 2: around her granddaughters.

849
00:37:16,064 --> 00:37:17,464
Speaker 1: But it's just like at that stage of.

850
00:37:17,544 --> 00:37:21,384
Speaker 2: Like, my mom hates getting old, right, like hates it

851
00:37:21,464 --> 00:37:23,984
Speaker 2: because she just remembers being a sort of like she

852
00:37:24,143 --> 00:37:25,703
Speaker 2: was a single mom, so she was having a good

853
00:37:25,743 --> 00:37:29,303
Speaker 2: time a lot. He's out there and so but my

854
00:37:29,384 --> 00:37:31,504
Speaker 2: act a lot about like sort of navigating these these

855
00:37:31,544 --> 00:37:33,863
Speaker 2: little girls, my wife and also my AI and year

856
00:37:33,864 --> 00:37:36,544
Speaker 2: old mom and and watching this person like, oh no,

857
00:37:36,623 --> 00:37:38,944
Speaker 2: you're eighty nine. You're supposed to slow down. You're supposed

858
00:37:38,944 --> 00:37:40,944
Speaker 2: to You're supposed to. Yeah, I know you hate it, but.

859
00:37:41,424 --> 00:37:43,863
Speaker 3: Yeah, but also all being the only man.

860
00:37:44,464 --> 00:37:46,104
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, that that is a bit I talk about

861
00:37:46,104 --> 00:37:46,864
Speaker 4: that it's always with you.

862
00:37:47,143 --> 00:37:48,383
Speaker 3: You're always the only man.

863
00:37:50,183 --> 00:37:52,143
Speaker 1: I mean, yay.

864
00:37:52,984 --> 00:37:55,143
Speaker 3: Most of your friends are women, most of you know,

865
00:37:55,824 --> 00:37:58,263
Speaker 3: most of your life surrounds so it's so amazing that

866
00:37:58,384 --> 00:38:01,263
Speaker 3: your family is also turned out that way without any

867
00:38:01,384 --> 00:38:02,223
Speaker 3: control of your own.

868
00:38:02,424 --> 00:38:04,223
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, other than other than the fact that

869
00:38:04,424 --> 00:38:07,343
Speaker 2: that's how the DNA emerged for my body, but like, yeah,

870
00:38:07,384 --> 00:38:08,223
Speaker 2: that's not how it is.

871
00:38:08,703 --> 00:38:08,944
Speaker 1: I mean.

872
00:38:08,984 --> 00:38:11,143
Speaker 2: And I definitely feel like I am I don't call

873
00:38:11,223 --> 00:38:12,823
Speaker 2: myself a girl dad because I feel like that sounds

874
00:38:12,864 --> 00:38:14,944
Speaker 2: like a bumpersticker now, But I do feel like I

875
00:38:15,024 --> 00:38:17,424
Speaker 2: am a father of girls, and I do feel a

876
00:38:17,504 --> 00:38:21,864
Speaker 2: certain like it feels I'm glad I can sort of

877
00:38:21,984 --> 00:38:24,663
Speaker 2: like as I say on stage, sell out my own

878
00:38:24,743 --> 00:38:25,944
Speaker 2: gender for their benefit.

879
00:38:26,864 --> 00:38:29,463
Speaker 3: Well, they're lucky to have you, you know, because you're

880
00:38:29,464 --> 00:38:32,064
Speaker 3: such a great man. So then they have their experience

881
00:38:32,143 --> 00:38:35,823
Speaker 3: of men is fantastic. So now you're like raising a

882
00:38:35,864 --> 00:38:40,464
Speaker 3: whole generation of like non cynical women, that's the hope.

883
00:38:40,223 --> 00:38:43,343
Speaker 2: And also raising a generation of like of like and

884
00:38:43,904 --> 00:38:46,663
Speaker 2: young women who are like, just because a man thinks

885
00:38:46,703 --> 00:38:49,904
Speaker 2: he deserves your respect, it doesn't mean he does. And

886
00:38:50,104 --> 00:38:52,904
Speaker 2: I'm talking about like adults too. Just because you're a teacher,

887
00:38:53,024 --> 00:38:56,143
Speaker 2: your male teacher says you should that you don't have to.

888
00:38:56,904 --> 00:38:58,584
Speaker 2: All these men men are going to always make you

889
00:38:58,663 --> 00:39:00,864
Speaker 2: think that they know more than you, and it is

890
00:39:01,223 --> 00:39:02,464
Speaker 2: and it is fine.

891
00:39:02,263 --> 00:39:03,223
Speaker 1: If you know they do not.

892
00:39:03,584 --> 00:39:03,983
Speaker 4: It's good.

893
00:39:04,143 --> 00:39:05,983
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really really that's true.

894
00:39:06,024 --> 00:39:06,783
Speaker 4: That's really really good.

895
00:39:06,864 --> 00:39:08,263
Speaker 2: My daughter is a teacher, My middle kid is a

896
00:39:08,303 --> 00:39:10,343
Speaker 2: teacher that she's not a fan of and I'm not either,

897
00:39:10,384 --> 00:39:11,943
Speaker 2: and it's like, and we make fun of that person.

898
00:39:12,024 --> 00:39:13,943
Speaker 1: Yeah, like we consider to make fun of the person together.

899
00:39:13,984 --> 00:39:15,143
Speaker 1: I don't want you well as an.

900
00:39:15,104 --> 00:39:18,423
Speaker 4: Adult and you got you know, so yeah that's really good.

901
00:39:18,504 --> 00:39:20,703
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like everybody doesn't get your respect equally. And I

902
00:39:20,743 --> 00:39:23,584
Speaker 2: think as a woman. Often women are put in position of.

903
00:39:23,663 --> 00:39:26,144
Speaker 3: Like I should just you know, you know, yeah, of course,

904
00:39:26,584 --> 00:39:29,464
Speaker 3: because they we haven't figured out that they need to

905
00:39:29,504 --> 00:39:32,384
Speaker 3: earn it. Yes, so you know when they earn it,

906
00:39:32,464 --> 00:39:35,183
Speaker 3: then it's really worth worth something. It's got value. Yeah,

907
00:39:35,544 --> 00:39:36,143
Speaker 3: that's really good.

908
00:39:36,303 --> 00:39:36,503
Speaker 1: Yeah.

909
00:39:36,584 --> 00:39:39,504
Speaker 2: So it it's definitely like been I didn't know I

910
00:39:39,623 --> 00:39:41,024
Speaker 2: was going to have all girls, obviously, and when we

911
00:39:41,104 --> 00:39:42,544
Speaker 2: had my first daughter, to my I was like, this

912
00:39:42,663 --> 00:39:44,984
Speaker 2: is great. And then we had the second one, it

913
00:39:45,024 --> 00:39:46,143
Speaker 2: was a girl. And by the time I got a third,

914
00:39:46,143 --> 00:39:47,463
Speaker 2: I was like, it's got to be another girl because

915
00:39:47,464 --> 00:39:49,823
Speaker 2: I don't I said, I sort of get how this works.

916
00:39:49,904 --> 00:39:52,464
Speaker 2: Not that it's easy, but I'm really enjoying this process.

917
00:39:52,504 --> 00:39:55,464
Speaker 2: And they're all very different, but it is it's still like,

918
00:39:55,544 --> 00:39:57,503
Speaker 2: you know, I've seen this. It's other things. I've seen

919
00:39:57,544 --> 00:39:59,743
Speaker 2: the same dress go through our house like three times now.

920
00:40:01,223 --> 00:40:02,943
Speaker 2: Plus they have a lot of girl cousins, so I've

921
00:40:02,984 --> 00:40:06,143
Speaker 2: seen the like like Sammy's older cousin where it's Sammy.

922
00:40:06,584 --> 00:40:08,064
Speaker 2: You know that it goes out to the cousins and

923
00:40:08,143 --> 00:40:11,183
Speaker 2: it comes back for peanuts. It's yeah, it's one of

924
00:40:11,223 --> 00:40:13,143
Speaker 2: the great things about living up in the Bay is

925
00:40:13,183 --> 00:40:15,024
Speaker 2: that my wife. She has two brother She has a

926
00:40:15,104 --> 00:40:16,944
Speaker 2: brother and two sisters and they all have kids and

927
00:40:18,223 --> 00:40:20,703
Speaker 2: her parents live up there. That they are growing up

928
00:40:20,743 --> 00:40:22,944
Speaker 2: around their family in a way that I didn't grow

929
00:40:23,024 --> 00:40:25,223
Speaker 2: up close to my family, and so they It's one

930
00:40:25,223 --> 00:40:26,663
Speaker 2: of the reasons why I would never live out of

931
00:40:26,663 --> 00:40:30,504
Speaker 2: the Bay because my kids, yes, data is on TV,

932
00:40:30,743 --> 00:40:32,783
Speaker 2: and yes, da da da da, but they're also just

933
00:40:32,904 --> 00:40:35,703
Speaker 2: like they're living a very regular lifestyle up there in Oakland.

934
00:40:35,904 --> 00:40:39,344
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you have the best of both worlds, because

935
00:40:39,384 --> 00:40:41,663
Speaker 3: you can live there, but you can also have this

936
00:40:41,904 --> 00:40:44,544
Speaker 3: very very big career, like you're living in New York

937
00:40:44,623 --> 00:40:48,823
Speaker 3: or LA. But it's not far so far where it's

938
00:40:48,944 --> 00:40:50,944
Speaker 3: just you know, all you need is an international airport

939
00:40:51,223 --> 00:40:52,024
Speaker 3: exactly exactly.

940
00:40:52,064 --> 00:40:55,984
Speaker 2: And also southwest, the southwest of Oakland to Burbank is

941
00:40:56,064 --> 00:40:58,423
Speaker 2: one of the best flights in show business. Like, yeah,

942
00:40:58,424 --> 00:41:00,383
Speaker 2: it's just like it is, you know. I'm like, there's

943
00:41:00,384 --> 00:41:02,303
Speaker 2: people on the New York Subway who take longer to

944
00:41:02,303 --> 00:41:04,984
Speaker 2: get places than me. Going from like Okland to Burbank.

945
00:41:05,104 --> 00:41:07,303
Speaker 3: It's quite an easy commune. Yeah, I always see Bob

946
00:41:07,344 --> 00:41:11,544
Speaker 3: Odenkirk on that flight. It's always Bob Odenkirk or Steve

947
00:41:11,663 --> 00:41:13,663
Speaker 3: Perry Journey.

948
00:41:13,504 --> 00:41:14,544
Speaker 1: Steve Perry from Journey.

949
00:41:14,663 --> 00:41:17,304
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great Like I don't do as much anymore,

950
00:41:17,303 --> 00:41:19,504
Speaker 2: but there would be times where I would like come

951
00:41:19,584 --> 00:41:20,944
Speaker 2: down in the morning, have a bunch of meetings, and

952
00:41:21,024 --> 00:41:22,984
Speaker 2: be back on the late flight back to this, you know,

953
00:41:23,183 --> 00:41:25,024
Speaker 2: just like at this point, I'm like, I'll stay at night.

954
00:41:25,064 --> 00:41:26,703
Speaker 1: I'm getting to the hr. I like to sleep to night.

955
00:41:26,783 --> 00:41:29,584
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it's just yeah, it's good. Yeah,

956
00:41:29,584 --> 00:41:30,384
Speaker 3: you could definitely do it.

957
00:41:31,424 --> 00:41:33,223
Speaker 1: So I want to ask you your state of the

958
00:41:33,504 --> 00:41:34,544
Speaker 1: comedy universe.

959
00:41:35,663 --> 00:41:40,343
Speaker 3: You know, I feel like I think everybody was really

960
00:41:40,384 --> 00:41:41,864
Speaker 3: talking about the Kevin Hart roast.

961
00:41:42,064 --> 00:41:43,424
Speaker 1: It has been a recurring subject.

962
00:41:43,504 --> 00:41:46,223
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean what that was to me was it

963
00:41:46,344 --> 00:41:49,223
Speaker 3: was all about Cheryl Underwood. And she's my good friend

964
00:41:49,303 --> 00:41:52,623
Speaker 3: and I absolutely have always worshiped her, and like, I'm

965
00:41:52,743 --> 00:41:55,944
Speaker 3: like so grateful that she could be there and be

966
00:41:56,183 --> 00:42:00,504
Speaker 3: so just the goddess that she is. Yeah, and so

967
00:42:00,663 --> 00:42:03,743
Speaker 3: that was exciting for me to see her on that

968
00:42:03,944 --> 00:42:08,504
Speaker 3: massive stage. Yeah, but it was also disheartening to have

969
00:42:08,904 --> 00:42:12,864
Speaker 3: all of just the racism, just the low blows, the

970
00:42:13,024 --> 00:42:15,064
Speaker 3: constant you know, kind of trying to make fun of

971
00:42:15,703 --> 00:42:17,303
Speaker 3: her husband's suicide.

972
00:42:17,703 --> 00:42:18,904
Speaker 1: Just I thought that was so.

973
00:42:18,944 --> 00:42:20,504
Speaker 2: Weird because I didn't know her well to note that

974
00:42:20,663 --> 00:42:22,623
Speaker 2: was real. Yeah, And I had to pause the thing

975
00:42:22,663 --> 00:42:24,623
Speaker 2: and go is that real? Like and then google it

976
00:42:24,703 --> 00:42:26,623
Speaker 2: and like, yeah, it's real, but why are we talking

977
00:42:26,663 --> 00:42:26,944
Speaker 2: about it?

978
00:42:27,104 --> 00:42:30,544
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just to me, it's it was just very

979
00:42:32,424 --> 00:42:36,064
Speaker 3: obviously they don't have a lot of imagination. They don't

980
00:42:36,223 --> 00:42:38,623
Speaker 3: have a lot. I mean, it's just like that, it's

981
00:42:38,663 --> 00:42:40,983
Speaker 3: not even it doesn't even that's not a rose.

982
00:42:41,064 --> 00:42:43,303
Speaker 2: And I think there's all these false equivalencies of like, well,

983
00:42:43,344 --> 00:42:45,263
Speaker 2: Pete Davidson's dad. It's like, yeah, but Pete's made a

984
00:42:45,303 --> 00:42:47,663
Speaker 2: cur sort of talked about that a lot. Yeah, it's

985
00:42:47,703 --> 00:42:48,823
Speaker 2: the thing that we all sort of if you know

986
00:42:48,864 --> 00:42:51,024
Speaker 2: Pete Davidson, you knows dad died in nine to eleven, right,

987
00:42:51,183 --> 00:42:53,064
Speaker 2: he's also Pete Davidson, so he doesn't you know. His

988
00:42:53,143 --> 00:42:54,743
Speaker 2: whole vibe is like I don't give a shit, you

989
00:42:54,743 --> 00:42:56,743
Speaker 2: know whatever. But I was like, it's weird to have

990
00:42:56,864 --> 00:42:59,703
Speaker 2: to google someone's tragedy in the middle of a roast

991
00:42:59,743 --> 00:43:01,223
Speaker 2: to understand why the joke makes sense.

992
00:43:01,344 --> 00:43:03,864
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just is very It was just ugly, and

993
00:43:04,143 --> 00:43:07,544
Speaker 3: you know, but just the lynching, the George Floyd. I

994
00:43:07,584 --> 00:43:13,743
Speaker 3: mean just the ugliness of it that was that. Yeah,

995
00:43:13,824 --> 00:43:15,223
Speaker 3: it was disappointing, and.

996
00:43:15,303 --> 00:43:17,423
Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's funny because I've I've come.

997
00:43:17,584 --> 00:43:19,383
Speaker 2: I wrote about it on my substack, and it's funny.

998
00:43:19,424 --> 00:43:21,104
Speaker 2: This has become such a subject on this podcast that

999
00:43:21,263 --> 00:43:25,384
Speaker 2: like I'm not against Like, like I was talking with

1000
00:43:25,504 --> 00:43:26,704
Speaker 2: my friend, you know, Kevin Avery.

1001
00:43:27,024 --> 00:43:28,423
Speaker 1: I went to dinner with him last night. I made

1002
00:43:28,424 --> 00:43:31,544
Speaker 1: fun of him a lot at dinner. He made fun

1003
00:43:31,584 --> 00:43:31,783
Speaker 1: of me.

1004
00:43:32,303 --> 00:43:34,703
Speaker 2: I understand that. I understand that, like making fun of

1005
00:43:34,743 --> 00:43:37,223
Speaker 2: your friends, right, But I also think it's different. If

1006
00:43:37,263 --> 00:43:39,703
Speaker 2: I was gonna, I wouldn't necessarily do it on Netflix

1007
00:43:39,783 --> 00:43:42,623
Speaker 2: in front of everybody. Yeah, I just because I don't

1008
00:43:42,663 --> 00:43:44,263
Speaker 2: want to put I'd rather you know, I don't want

1009
00:43:44,263 --> 00:43:45,664
Speaker 2: to put that in the road, And then I certainly

1010
00:43:45,703 --> 00:43:48,223
Speaker 2: wouldn't go. I'm just not the kind I wouldn't want

1011
00:43:48,223 --> 00:43:51,223
Speaker 2: to go be on a roast with people who I actually.

1012
00:43:51,064 --> 00:43:54,143
Speaker 3: Wasn't friends with, right, because it's weird and it's like

1013
00:43:54,623 --> 00:43:57,503
Speaker 3: they were they were all those people obviously don't really

1014
00:43:57,584 --> 00:44:01,064
Speaker 3: know each other. Yeah, so that it doesn't have any value.

1015
00:44:01,504 --> 00:44:03,623
Speaker 3: You should only roast the people that you really lie

1016
00:44:03,904 --> 00:44:06,743
Speaker 3: and I think that's what the roast, the fundamental part

1017
00:44:06,824 --> 00:44:08,863
Speaker 3: of the roast is because these guys were all good

1018
00:44:08,904 --> 00:44:11,183
Speaker 3: friends at the Friars Club. They all knew each the

1019
00:44:11,263 --> 00:44:13,743
Speaker 3: really well, and so roast kind of meant something like

1020
00:44:13,824 --> 00:44:17,984
Speaker 3: when Kippa Datta said that your wife was ugly, it meant.

1021
00:44:19,584 --> 00:44:22,223
Speaker 1: You knew he knew your wife and she knew him. Yeah,

1022
00:44:22,344 --> 00:44:23,464
Speaker 1: and they were going to talk afterwards.

1023
00:44:23,584 --> 00:44:23,703
Speaker 2: You know.

1024
00:44:24,064 --> 00:44:27,783
Speaker 3: It was all kind of like in under underneath this

1025
00:44:27,864 --> 00:44:29,263
Speaker 3: sort of thing of we all love each other and

1026
00:44:29,344 --> 00:44:29,904
Speaker 3: this is okay.

1027
00:44:30,344 --> 00:44:32,383
Speaker 2: I think it's also connected to, like, in this way,

1028
00:44:32,504 --> 00:44:34,064
Speaker 2: the sort of the state of the community. There's just

1029
00:44:34,104 --> 00:44:36,504
Speaker 2: been like there was a time and you were one

1030
00:44:36,504 --> 00:44:39,223
Speaker 2: of the avatars of this time when comedians were like

1031
00:44:39,703 --> 00:44:41,864
Speaker 2: like and I was inspired by this to speak the

1032
00:44:41,904 --> 00:44:44,743
Speaker 2: people who spoke truth to power. Yeah, and that doesn't

1033
00:44:44,783 --> 00:44:46,943
Speaker 2: mean politically correct, because I don't think Bill Hicks wasn't

1034
00:44:46,944 --> 00:44:50,104
Speaker 2: politically correct. You're not politically correct. Mark Maron is not

1035
00:44:50,143 --> 00:44:53,343
Speaker 2: politically correct, but really understood that, like we're the whole

1036
00:44:53,384 --> 00:44:55,703
Speaker 2: George Carlin thing that has been sort of beaten to

1037
00:44:55,743 --> 00:44:58,264
Speaker 2: the ground of like punching up yes, like we're supposed

1038
00:44:58,263 --> 00:44:59,984
Speaker 2: to hear we're here to make fun of power, right,

1039
00:45:00,064 --> 00:45:02,463
Speaker 2: And that was a whole generation of stating comedians who

1040
00:45:02,504 --> 00:45:04,903
Speaker 2: are who are here to become cozy with power, right,

1041
00:45:05,064 --> 00:45:07,544
Speaker 2: And that Netflix rose felt like it was related to that,

1042
00:45:07,824 --> 00:45:11,584
Speaker 2: like the courtioning of our society. And and yes, we

1043
00:45:12,183 --> 00:45:14,343
Speaker 2: because our because our presidents who are presidents, we can

1044
00:45:14,384 --> 00:45:17,383
Speaker 2: all out loud make racist jokes because that's what.

1045
00:45:17,504 --> 00:45:19,904
Speaker 3: We do now in this country, right, Or it's this

1046
00:45:20,223 --> 00:45:24,464
Speaker 3: misunderstood idea that because we are so woke as a

1047
00:45:24,464 --> 00:45:28,743
Speaker 3: culture that we don't have to worry about, yeah, being racist,

1048
00:45:28,944 --> 00:45:31,903
Speaker 3: because it's almost like we're making fun of people who

1049
00:45:31,984 --> 00:45:35,143
Speaker 3: are racist. But that's that only works if we have

1050
00:45:35,303 --> 00:45:37,024
Speaker 3: a society where there is equality.

1051
00:45:37,344 --> 00:45:39,143
Speaker 2: Well, it's funny, you said, because I remember there's a

1052
00:45:39,183 --> 00:45:42,024
Speaker 2: point and you're probably can talk to this too on

1053
00:45:42,143 --> 00:45:44,783
Speaker 2: the La Alt scene where it was like all all

1054
00:45:44,904 --> 00:45:46,903
Speaker 2: and progressive and liberal, but then there'd be these weird

1055
00:45:46,984 --> 00:45:49,904
Speaker 2: racist jokes every now and again, right in like the

1056
00:45:50,384 --> 00:45:52,584
Speaker 2: nineties and early two thousands, it's like where it'd be like, oh,

1057
00:45:52,623 --> 00:45:53,223
Speaker 2: that's why do.

1058
00:45:53,263 --> 00:45:54,383
Speaker 1: We do that joke? Yeah?

1059
00:45:54,904 --> 00:45:58,263
Speaker 3: Like what is that supposed to mean? And why is

1060
00:45:58,344 --> 00:46:00,303
Speaker 3: it okay for us to say this?

1061
00:46:00,623 --> 00:46:01,464
Speaker 1: Yeah? You know.

1062
00:46:01,663 --> 00:46:06,623
Speaker 3: But it's almost like they they that's their perception of danger.

1063
00:46:06,703 --> 00:46:10,303
Speaker 3: They want to be dangerous. Yeah, yeah, and so they

1064
00:46:10,464 --> 00:46:13,544
Speaker 3: think that if I do this, this qualifies this danger.

1065
00:46:13,904 --> 00:46:14,104
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1066
00:46:14,183 --> 00:46:17,783
Speaker 2: The idea of what edgy is has been misunderstood because

1067
00:46:17,783 --> 00:46:19,503
Speaker 2: I feel like when I was in the open mics

1068
00:46:19,504 --> 00:46:21,024
Speaker 2: a lot, or in the club scene a lot, you

1069
00:46:21,024 --> 00:46:23,504
Speaker 2: would see comedians start and a lot of comedians we

1070
00:46:23,584 --> 00:46:26,783
Speaker 2: get to that point where where they'd want to tell

1071
00:46:26,783 --> 00:46:28,703
Speaker 2: an inWORD joke and I'm talking about white comedians, not

1072
00:46:28,783 --> 00:46:30,384
Speaker 2: black comedians, or they want to tell a joke with

1073
00:46:30,424 --> 00:46:32,303
Speaker 2: the C word, you know what I mean. And it

1074
00:46:32,464 --> 00:46:33,904
Speaker 2: was just like it was a way to sort of

1075
00:46:33,944 --> 00:46:36,823
Speaker 2: it was like almost a growth stage. Oh, you want

1076
00:46:36,864 --> 00:46:39,343
Speaker 2: to say things you never said before. The easiest thing

1077
00:46:39,424 --> 00:46:42,823
Speaker 2: to to grab is these forbidden words. Hopefully you'll move

1078
00:46:42,904 --> 00:46:45,304
Speaker 2: through this and you'll figure out how to express yourself.

1079
00:46:45,824 --> 00:46:48,064
Speaker 2: But some comedians seem like they've gotten stuck in that

1080
00:46:48,104 --> 00:46:50,423
Speaker 2: stage of like what words am I not supposed to say?

1081
00:46:50,743 --> 00:46:52,584
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they want to test that. They want to

1082
00:46:52,663 --> 00:46:56,863
Speaker 3: test like the boundaries of what that is, or even

1083
00:46:56,984 --> 00:47:00,704
Speaker 3: like talking about trans people. Yes, I think trans lives

1084
00:47:00,743 --> 00:47:04,303
Speaker 3: has become a very big thing in comedy because they

1085
00:47:04,464 --> 00:47:07,303
Speaker 3: want to contest it. They want they don't understand that

1086
00:47:07,504 --> 00:47:12,184
Speaker 3: when you take trans lives lightly and a comedy routine,

1087
00:47:12,424 --> 00:47:16,143
Speaker 3: trans people die, and they don't have that understanding that,

1088
00:47:16,344 --> 00:47:18,544
Speaker 3: like this is you, there are real consequences to your

1089
00:47:18,584 --> 00:47:21,143
Speaker 3: actions just because they don't affect you personally, but this

1090
00:47:21,263 --> 00:47:24,743
Speaker 3: will affect a trans person's life. So it's something that

1091
00:47:25,464 --> 00:47:29,024
Speaker 3: it's hard to get into, like what people are you know,

1092
00:47:30,024 --> 00:47:31,584
Speaker 3: like taking so lightly on stage.

1093
00:47:31,984 --> 00:47:33,544
Speaker 2: Thank you for bringing that up, because I think you have,

1094
00:47:34,064 --> 00:47:36,663
Speaker 2: you know, always been a fierce advocate for the LGBTQ

1095
00:47:36,824 --> 00:47:40,663
Speaker 2: community since since before it was cool and now even

1096
00:47:40,703 --> 00:47:41,864
Speaker 2: after it's not cool anymore.

1097
00:47:42,263 --> 00:47:42,944
Speaker 1: It was cool for a.

1098
00:47:42,984 --> 00:47:44,424
Speaker 2: Minute and you were like in the middle of it

1099
00:47:44,544 --> 00:47:46,263
Speaker 2: being cool, and now it's not cool any worse. But

1100
00:47:46,263 --> 00:47:48,704
Speaker 2: I think it's really important. And then you know, obviously

1101
00:47:48,743 --> 00:47:50,703
Speaker 2: you grew up in San Francisco, so like you sort

1102
00:47:50,703 --> 00:47:52,303
Speaker 2: of grew up in the stew of like this is

1103
00:47:52,384 --> 00:47:55,423
Speaker 2: what this is cool when gay com Like I remember

1104
00:47:55,424 --> 00:47:57,064
Speaker 2: moving out to the San Francis and be like I'd

1105
00:47:57,384 --> 00:47:59,623
Speaker 2: moved from Chicago. I'd never seen like I don't know

1106
00:47:59,623 --> 00:48:01,504
Speaker 2: if I've ever seen an openly gay comic when I

1107
00:48:01,544 --> 00:48:03,064
Speaker 2: moved to the until I moved to the Bay Area,

1108
00:48:03,384 --> 00:48:05,224
Speaker 2: and it was like, oh no, there's and there's openly

1109
00:48:05,263 --> 00:48:07,864
Speaker 2: gay comedy rooms, but also the gay comics on the punchline.

1110
00:48:08,024 --> 00:48:09,783
Speaker 2: Not a lot, but there were some out there, and

1111
00:48:10,584 --> 00:48:13,064
Speaker 2: you had toifying as queer, like opening the sort of

1112
00:48:13,104 --> 00:48:14,984
Speaker 2: opening door of like this is what the universe is.

1113
00:48:15,623 --> 00:48:19,504
Speaker 2: I would imagine that seeing how the comedy culture specifically

1114
00:48:19,544 --> 00:48:21,423
Speaker 2: has shifted against that just seems.

1115
00:48:21,143 --> 00:48:22,584
Speaker 4: Weird and really terrible.

1116
00:48:22,864 --> 00:48:25,864
Speaker 3: It's really sad, and it's really scary. And you know,

1117
00:48:25,944 --> 00:48:28,743
Speaker 3: the way that our government treats trans lives with just

1118
00:48:29,024 --> 00:48:33,503
Speaker 3: you know, insane bathroom laws and identity laws or taking

1119
00:48:33,544 --> 00:48:37,903
Speaker 3: people's driver's licenses, and you know, it's just, I mean,

1120
00:48:38,384 --> 00:48:44,343
Speaker 3: it seems endless, whether it's re legalizing conversion therapy, you know,

1121
00:48:44,504 --> 00:48:46,904
Speaker 3: Supreme Court on down, you know, you have all of

1122
00:48:47,024 --> 00:48:49,183
Speaker 3: these things that you know, we're in the middle of

1123
00:48:49,263 --> 00:48:54,303
Speaker 3: a transgenocide and there we have to do anything that

1124
00:48:54,424 --> 00:48:56,984
Speaker 3: we can to stop it. We have to make sure

1125
00:48:57,024 --> 00:48:58,984
Speaker 3: that trans people are safe and then start working on

1126
00:48:59,104 --> 00:49:01,824
Speaker 3: restoring equality to their lives.

1127
00:49:20,064 --> 00:49:22,024
Speaker 2: One thing I learned from moving to the Bay I said,

1128
00:49:22,024 --> 00:49:23,464
Speaker 2: I moved there when I was an adult, but I

1129
00:49:23,584 --> 00:49:26,143
Speaker 2: was still but the bear I finished raising me and

1130
00:49:26,344 --> 00:49:29,783
Speaker 2: understanding like the necessity for someone like me who is

1131
00:49:29,864 --> 00:49:33,823
Speaker 2: not trans, who is who is heteronormative born in the

1132
00:49:33,864 --> 00:49:36,504
Speaker 2: body that I feel like it represents my gender, but

1133
00:49:36,743 --> 00:49:38,424
Speaker 2: why it's important for me to be clear that, like

1134
00:49:38,544 --> 00:49:41,264
Speaker 2: I support trans lives and I support the LGBTQ community,

1135
00:49:41,344 --> 00:49:45,183
Speaker 2: so it doesn't that sort of silence like no, I'm

1136
00:49:45,183 --> 00:49:46,303
Speaker 2: with you, but I'm not going to say it. That's

1137
00:49:46,344 --> 00:49:48,863
Speaker 2: not enough that it's important to say it out loud.

1138
00:49:49,183 --> 00:49:51,864
Speaker 2: So I appreciate and your example is an example of

1139
00:49:51,984 --> 00:49:55,183
Speaker 2: like you just got to be clear for the so

1140
00:49:55,303 --> 00:49:58,143
Speaker 2: that the people know where you're standing, so that people

1141
00:49:58,263 --> 00:50:00,143
Speaker 2: know that you're a safe space to be around, you

1142
00:50:00,223 --> 00:50:02,024
Speaker 2: know what I mean. So yeah, so I think it's

1143
00:50:02,064 --> 00:50:05,623
Speaker 2: really I appreciate you doing that and continue to write

1144
00:50:05,663 --> 00:50:08,464
Speaker 2: for that because it is. These are scary times to

1145
00:50:08,544 --> 00:50:13,463
Speaker 2: be trans in this country. And it's also but there's

1146
00:50:13,464 --> 00:50:16,183
Speaker 2: this thing about comedy where like a lot of comics

1147
00:50:16,464 --> 00:50:19,303
Speaker 2: as if comics are like separate from society, so we

1148
00:50:19,424 --> 00:50:21,663
Speaker 2: have to be on the thin comedy line, like we

1149
00:50:21,783 --> 00:50:24,703
Speaker 2: can't be we can't disagree with each other because it's

1150
00:50:24,703 --> 00:50:26,424
Speaker 2: like cops in the thin blue line, you know, like

1151
00:50:26,504 --> 00:50:28,143
Speaker 2: we have to be we have to support, but it

1152
00:50:28,183 --> 00:50:29,504
Speaker 2: feels like I can't do that.

1153
00:50:30,064 --> 00:50:32,863
Speaker 1: No, I can't. I can't do that and walking down

1154
00:50:32,864 --> 00:50:35,064
Speaker 1: the streets of Oakland or be out in the world

1155
00:50:35,263 --> 00:50:36,304
Speaker 1: or yeah.

1156
00:50:36,464 --> 00:50:38,544
Speaker 3: No, it's just it's gone too far. I don't know.

1157
00:50:38,904 --> 00:50:41,544
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean I want to support comedians

1158
00:50:41,783 --> 00:50:44,143
Speaker 3: like of course freedom of speech and sure the ability

1159
00:50:44,223 --> 00:50:46,263
Speaker 3: to do whatever they want and to test the boundaries

1160
00:50:46,303 --> 00:50:48,984
Speaker 3: and to play and do their thing, but at the

1161
00:50:49,064 --> 00:50:52,783
Speaker 3: same time, their actions have consequences that they don't feel

1162
00:50:52,824 --> 00:50:56,343
Speaker 3: because they have privilege. Yes, so it's our job to

1163
00:50:56,584 --> 00:50:57,584
Speaker 3: really point it out.

1164
00:50:57,904 --> 00:51:01,263
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would imagine that all this pointing it out

1165
00:51:01,864 --> 00:51:04,303
Speaker 2: has probably made you feel like and you know that

1166
00:51:05,064 --> 00:51:07,823
Speaker 2: maybe your career would have been different if you had

1167
00:51:07,824 --> 00:51:10,143
Speaker 2: spent less time pointing all these things out, like you would.

1168
00:51:09,904 --> 00:51:12,783
Speaker 1: Have Yeah, things have been available to you and you've

1169
00:51:12,824 --> 00:51:14,064
Speaker 1: had incredible career. Would be clear.

1170
00:51:14,303 --> 00:51:16,623
Speaker 3: I have a great time, But I think, yeah, I would.

1171
00:51:16,783 --> 00:51:19,904
Speaker 3: I would probably be like I have my own golf classic,

1172
00:51:20,104 --> 00:51:22,223
Speaker 3: you know, like a golf tournament as it happens every

1173
00:51:22,663 --> 00:51:24,984
Speaker 3: you know, every two years, and then I would have,

1174
00:51:26,024 --> 00:51:28,743
Speaker 3: you know, a foundation I would be I would like

1175
00:51:28,904 --> 00:51:31,703
Speaker 3: have in a state and you know, in Santa Barbara.

1176
00:51:32,263 --> 00:51:34,143
Speaker 1: Yeah, the state in the Santa Barbara State. I like that.

1177
00:51:34,263 --> 00:51:37,143
Speaker 2: I like you very specific. The Margaret Show, Golf Classic,

1178
00:51:37,504 --> 00:51:40,904
Speaker 2: the Show Foundation, and then the state in Santa Barbara.

1179
00:51:41,223 --> 00:51:43,783
Speaker 2: We'd be doing the interview there right now. I don't leave,

1180
00:51:43,904 --> 00:51:44,304
Speaker 2: I don't.

1181
00:51:44,223 --> 00:51:46,024
Speaker 3: Leave my You'll have to come to me. Yes, but

1182
00:51:46,183 --> 00:51:48,143
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, I think that I wouldn't have as

1183
00:51:48,223 --> 00:51:50,183
Speaker 3: much fun fair.

1184
00:51:53,143 --> 00:51:55,143
Speaker 2: I didn't think I would do this, But I just

1185
00:51:55,223 --> 00:51:57,144
Speaker 2: want to spare some time to talk about a mutual

1186
00:51:57,183 --> 00:52:02,984
Speaker 2: friend of ours, Jim Short. Yeah, so I Jim. When

1187
00:52:03,024 --> 00:52:06,664
Speaker 2: I moved to the scene in San Francisco. For people listening,

1188
00:52:06,743 --> 00:52:08,504
Speaker 2: he passed away last year.

1189
00:52:08,544 --> 00:52:11,143
Speaker 3: I think it was, yeah, just last January. It's in

1190
00:52:11,424 --> 00:52:12,263
Speaker 3: a year and a half.

1191
00:52:12,384 --> 00:52:12,823
Speaker 1: Oh wow.

1192
00:52:13,344 --> 00:52:15,303
Speaker 2: When I moved to the scene, he was the first

1193
00:52:15,344 --> 00:52:17,984
Speaker 2: comic I saw go from like and he was ahead

1194
00:52:18,024 --> 00:52:19,864
Speaker 2: of me in the in the in the in the

1195
00:52:20,104 --> 00:52:22,663
Speaker 2: in the whatever. The thing is that guy's I think

1196
00:52:22,703 --> 00:52:25,584
Speaker 2: that's funny. He does well sometimes. Oh, that guy's doing

1197
00:52:25,623 --> 00:52:28,263
Speaker 2: well more often. Oh that guy's starting to kill. He

1198
00:52:28,384 --> 00:52:31,504
Speaker 2: kills all the time. He's a truly great comedian. Like

1199
00:52:31,623 --> 00:52:34,183
Speaker 2: seeing a guy sort of evolve in real time from

1200
00:52:34,223 --> 00:52:36,064
Speaker 2: a kind of funny comic to like, I don't want

1201
00:52:36,064 --> 00:52:38,383
Speaker 2: to follow that guy, to being a guy who had

1202
00:52:38,544 --> 00:52:41,544
Speaker 2: like he gets headliners come in town and go, why

1203
00:52:41,663 --> 00:52:42,544
Speaker 2: you booking me with this guy?

1204
00:52:42,703 --> 00:52:42,864
Speaker 3: You know?

1205
00:52:43,183 --> 00:52:45,544
Speaker 1: And but Jim was a complicated human being.

1206
00:52:45,944 --> 00:52:48,824
Speaker 3: He was a big fan of yours, big fan of yours.

1207
00:52:49,663 --> 00:52:51,504
Speaker 2: He took me on the road a lot when I

1208
00:52:51,623 --> 00:52:54,303
Speaker 2: was when I was in the area and when when

1209
00:52:54,344 --> 00:52:55,944
Speaker 2: I was when I was coming up, and took me

1210
00:52:55,984 --> 00:52:58,024
Speaker 2: on a lot of road gigs, and was like a

1211
00:52:58,143 --> 00:52:59,423
Speaker 2: mentor at a certain point.

1212
00:53:00,223 --> 00:53:05,384
Speaker 1: And then things just things just sort of pulled apart.

1213
00:53:05,223 --> 00:53:08,064
Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, he was just you know, dealing with

1214
00:53:08,183 --> 00:53:11,783
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff. I'm not sure what it was.

1215
00:53:12,183 --> 00:53:14,464
Speaker 3: I do think that there was a great deal of

1216
00:53:14,623 --> 00:53:17,823
Speaker 3: neurodivergence happening and stuff that we didn't really understand. Like

1217
00:53:17,944 --> 00:53:20,384
Speaker 3: I look at him and I think, oh, I realized

1218
00:53:20,544 --> 00:53:23,423
Speaker 3: that there's a lot of autism in there, you know, like, oh,

1219
00:53:23,504 --> 00:53:25,423
Speaker 3: that makes sense because we just, you know, we didn't

1220
00:53:25,464 --> 00:53:27,064
Speaker 3: diagnose stuff, like back when we didn't have.

1221
00:53:27,024 --> 00:53:28,984
Speaker 2: The word, we didn't Autism wasn't a thing that we

1222
00:53:29,064 --> 00:53:31,423
Speaker 2: looked for in everybody. It was like, yeah, it had

1223
00:53:31,424 --> 00:53:33,703
Speaker 2: to be an extreme, like a diagnosed extreme case to

1224
00:53:33,743 --> 00:53:35,984
Speaker 2: be a thing. We didn't understand the spectrum, no, But

1225
00:53:36,183 --> 00:53:37,544
Speaker 2: now that I, you know.

1226
00:53:37,623 --> 00:53:39,104
Speaker 3: Kind of have a little bit of knowledge of it,

1227
00:53:39,183 --> 00:53:41,303
Speaker 3: I go, oh, that's what it is. So I think

1228
00:53:41,344 --> 00:53:42,944
Speaker 3: that he was definitely on the spectrum because he was

1229
00:53:42,944 --> 00:53:45,544
Speaker 3: such a brilliant He's a brilliant guy. But then had,

1230
00:53:45,703 --> 00:53:48,544
Speaker 3: you know, had a lot of issues, like, had a

1231
00:53:48,663 --> 00:53:51,263
Speaker 3: lot of stuff going on, and that you know, was

1232
00:53:51,384 --> 00:53:54,504
Speaker 3: with everybody, but us who were closest to him felt

1233
00:53:54,544 --> 00:53:57,183
Speaker 3: it the worst. Yeah, because we had his warmth and

1234
00:53:57,344 --> 00:54:01,183
Speaker 3: his generosity of spirit and kindness and laughter, but then

1235
00:54:01,223 --> 00:54:04,064
Speaker 3: we also had the other side, which was quite terrifying

1236
00:54:04,104 --> 00:54:04,584
Speaker 3: at times.

1237
00:54:04,783 --> 00:54:05,783
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was really like.

1238
00:54:05,824 --> 00:54:08,504
Speaker 2: He ran very hot and cold, and he did that

1239
00:54:08,584 --> 00:54:10,863
Speaker 2: with me. And the only thing that made me feel

1240
00:54:10,864 --> 00:54:12,784
Speaker 2: like he was okay is because I saw it happening

1241
00:54:12,864 --> 00:54:15,024
Speaker 2: with other people, right, Like I thought like, okay, it's

1242
00:54:15,104 --> 00:54:17,863
Speaker 2: not just me. I have whatever I may have may

1243
00:54:17,984 --> 00:54:20,104
Speaker 2: or may not have done to him. It's a thing

1244
00:54:20,183 --> 00:54:22,064
Speaker 2: that he's enacting on other people.

1245
00:54:22,384 --> 00:54:24,064
Speaker 3: But he would only do it if he loved you.

1246
00:54:24,864 --> 00:54:27,584
Speaker 3: That was the complicated thing about it. He and he

1247
00:54:27,743 --> 00:54:30,823
Speaker 3: had such great love for you, and I know for me,

1248
00:54:31,263 --> 00:54:33,904
Speaker 3: and you know, it's just one of those things. He

1249
00:54:34,104 --> 00:54:36,224
Speaker 3: was one of the most important people in my life

1250
00:54:36,303 --> 00:54:40,903
Speaker 3: and I feel his absence greatly. But I I do think,

1251
00:54:41,424 --> 00:54:44,584
Speaker 3: like I want to believe he's at peace now. I

1252
00:54:44,783 --> 00:54:48,064
Speaker 3: do think like he had a hard time in life,

1253
00:54:48,824 --> 00:54:51,743
Speaker 3: and I would love for a generation of people to

1254
00:54:51,904 --> 00:54:55,424
Speaker 3: discover him and in his work. You know, his comedy's

1255
00:54:55,464 --> 00:54:58,263
Speaker 3: out there. Dan Dionne and go Ahead Records put him out,

1256
00:54:58,384 --> 00:54:59,703
Speaker 3: put him, put his albums down.

1257
00:54:59,743 --> 00:55:04,263
Speaker 2: Great photographer has a record label.

1258
00:55:04,464 --> 00:55:06,584
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so you know, I have albums out on there,

1259
00:55:06,703 --> 00:55:09,343
Speaker 3: and he put all my records out, and he put

1260
00:55:09,703 --> 00:55:12,663
Speaker 3: a lot of Gym's material out, So Patton's records are

1261
00:55:12,703 --> 00:55:14,944
Speaker 3: out there, so you know, it's really great.

1262
00:55:15,384 --> 00:55:15,544
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1263
00:55:15,623 --> 00:55:20,104
Speaker 3: Dan savaged all of our material from these weird other

1264
00:55:20,344 --> 00:55:22,384
Speaker 3: little record companies that are kind of doing nothing with

1265
00:55:22,544 --> 00:55:25,264
Speaker 3: that and he put them all together. So that's really special.

1266
00:55:25,904 --> 00:55:27,864
Speaker 1: Good for Dan and yeah, and I think it's just

1267
00:55:28,584 --> 00:55:32,264
Speaker 1: Jim was such a great stand up comedian.

1268
00:55:31,984 --> 00:55:34,584
Speaker 4: Such a great great So everything like I was said with.

1269
00:55:34,663 --> 00:55:38,064
Speaker 2: Jim, if a big news story breaks and every comic

1270
00:55:38,143 --> 00:55:39,783
Speaker 2: runs of the club to try out there joke about it.

1271
00:55:39,904 --> 00:55:41,904
Speaker 2: Jim's gonna beat everybody. He'll have the best one, and

1272
00:55:41,984 --> 00:55:44,183
Speaker 2: it'll have a five minute bit about it, like the thing.

1273
00:55:45,024 --> 00:55:46,544
Speaker 2: He was such a great He really taught me how

1274
00:55:46,584 --> 00:55:49,344
Speaker 2: to write topically, how to like get all the meat.

1275
00:55:49,183 --> 00:55:49,744
Speaker 1: Off the bone.

1276
00:55:50,104 --> 00:55:52,864
Speaker 3: He was just such a special person, and you know,

1277
00:55:52,984 --> 00:55:58,504
Speaker 3: we just had so many jokes between us that you know,

1278
00:55:58,623 --> 00:56:01,904
Speaker 3: he would make these big scrap books for me of

1279
00:56:02,544 --> 00:56:05,463
Speaker 3: jokes that we had between us so that I could,

1280
00:56:05,623 --> 00:56:07,544
Speaker 3: like it was like visualizers, so that I could have

1281
00:56:07,824 --> 00:56:10,984
Speaker 3: like a visual document of all the stupid jokes that

1282
00:56:11,143 --> 00:56:13,944
Speaker 3: we had. And so, I mean, you know, he was

1283
00:56:14,424 --> 00:56:17,144
Speaker 3: somebody who's greatly in service of laughter.

1284
00:56:17,504 --> 00:56:18,504
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he was.

1285
00:56:18,743 --> 00:56:20,623
Speaker 2: His first album was called Joke Slinger, and I thought

1286
00:56:20,663 --> 00:56:22,303
Speaker 2: that was a great way to describe him. Were you

1287
00:56:22,344 --> 00:56:23,863
Speaker 2: in contact with him before he passed away.

1288
00:56:24,024 --> 00:56:27,303
Speaker 3: He was really mad at me, he was. He He

1289
00:56:27,424 --> 00:56:31,623
Speaker 3: and I had been in a kind of a big

1290
00:56:31,944 --> 00:56:34,504
Speaker 3: argument for quite a while and it had been back

1291
00:56:34,584 --> 00:56:35,104
Speaker 3: and forth.

1292
00:56:35,303 --> 00:56:38,623
Speaker 4: You know, it was really tough.

1293
00:56:39,783 --> 00:56:43,263
Speaker 3: So yeah, right around the time of his death, he

1294
00:56:43,424 --> 00:56:45,104
Speaker 3: was he was not speaking to me, which is like

1295
00:56:45,183 --> 00:56:47,263
Speaker 3: really awful, but I wish I had. He didn't even

1296
00:56:47,344 --> 00:56:49,263
Speaker 3: let me know. I didn't know he was sick. I

1297
00:56:49,263 --> 00:56:51,263
Speaker 3: didn't know he was sick. I had no idea where

1298
00:56:51,384 --> 00:56:54,783
Speaker 3: he was in Australia. He was back, and then then

1299
00:56:54,824 --> 00:56:56,504
Speaker 3: he was back in Texas.

1300
00:56:56,743 --> 00:56:57,783
Speaker 1: Okay, he would know.

1301
00:56:57,783 --> 00:56:59,303
Speaker 2: He was born in Australia, but grew up a lot

1302
00:56:59,384 --> 00:57:02,504
Speaker 2: in Texas, and yeah, and got sick and died. And

1303
00:57:02,544 --> 00:57:04,584
Speaker 2: I remember it was one of the few times in

1304
00:57:04,703 --> 00:57:07,544
Speaker 2: life when somebody passed away. I was like, I hope

1305
00:57:07,544 --> 00:57:09,223
Speaker 2: they're happier now, you know what I mean, Like I

1306
00:57:09,303 --> 00:57:10,504
Speaker 2: just felt like I hope that whatever.

1307
00:57:10,904 --> 00:57:11,944
Speaker 1: You don't want somebody to die.

1308
00:57:12,024 --> 00:57:14,263
Speaker 2: But I did feel like he was clearly just the

1309
00:57:14,344 --> 00:57:16,544
Speaker 2: way he interacted with the people close to him he

1310
00:57:16,624 --> 00:57:18,144
Speaker 2: was in a lot of pain, and the way that

1311
00:57:18,264 --> 00:57:21,104
Speaker 2: he interacted, the way I mean, you know he was.

1312
00:57:21,224 --> 00:57:24,144
Speaker 2: He was sort of like never found a spot in

1313
00:57:24,224 --> 00:57:25,664
Speaker 2: mainstream show business.

1314
00:57:25,464 --> 00:57:28,744
Speaker 3: And which he should have, Like he should have such

1315
00:57:28,784 --> 00:57:29,984
Speaker 3: a brilliant Just.

1316
00:57:30,064 --> 00:57:31,144
Speaker 1: Put him in a writer's room.

1317
00:57:31,184 --> 00:57:32,944
Speaker 4: He's going to have the brilliant.

1318
00:57:33,504 --> 00:57:36,784
Speaker 3: But I think that he did not really have the social.

1319
00:57:36,584 --> 00:57:37,184
Speaker 4: Skills for it.

1320
00:57:37,304 --> 00:57:40,104
Speaker 1: He didn't have and the and the submit a writer's

1321
00:57:40,184 --> 00:57:41,543
Speaker 1: packet was not a thing Jim was going.

1322
00:57:41,464 --> 00:57:44,343
Speaker 3: To do right. It was just too hard to kind

1323
00:57:44,384 --> 00:57:47,904
Speaker 3: of wedge the sort of personality that he had and

1324
00:57:48,104 --> 00:57:50,224
Speaker 3: and sort of bring in the talent too. So you know,

1325
00:57:50,344 --> 00:57:52,784
Speaker 3: you just had a lot of things going on at

1326
00:57:52,824 --> 00:57:56,304
Speaker 3: the same time. But truly one of the most brilliant

1327
00:57:56,344 --> 00:57:59,264
Speaker 3: people I've ever come in contact with. And you know,

1328
00:57:59,344 --> 00:58:00,664
Speaker 3: I still miss him all the time. I have a

1329
00:58:00,744 --> 00:58:04,504
Speaker 3: big painting of him. Actually it's him and I and

1330
00:58:04,624 --> 00:58:09,463
Speaker 3: where but it's us as the Adams family, So it's

1331
00:58:09,584 --> 00:58:13,944
Speaker 3: him as I guess Gomez an motit. Yeah, and he

1332
00:58:14,104 --> 00:58:16,544
Speaker 3: really loved that painting, and I just I always look

1333
00:58:16,584 --> 00:58:18,584
Speaker 3: at it and I'm like, that's so. It's just so

1334
00:58:18,984 --> 00:58:21,024
Speaker 3: him and I miss him a lot. But yeah, I

1335
00:58:21,064 --> 00:58:22,104
Speaker 3: hope he's in a better place.

1336
00:58:22,144 --> 00:58:22,823
Speaker 4: I feel like he is.

1337
00:58:23,424 --> 00:58:24,104
Speaker 1: I hope so.

1338
00:58:24,184 --> 00:58:26,704
Speaker 2: And I mean I remember one of the I think

1339
00:58:26,744 --> 00:58:29,464
Speaker 2: the last time I saw him, so we broke the

1340
00:58:29,544 --> 00:58:31,504
Speaker 2: time our relationship broke down around the time I got

1341
00:58:31,544 --> 00:58:33,744
Speaker 2: my first TV show, Totally Biased, and he sent me

1342
00:58:33,784 --> 00:58:36,584
Speaker 2: in he was it was back on Facebook days and

1343
00:58:36,984 --> 00:58:39,064
Speaker 2: there was something somebody says up on Facebook. I don't

1344
00:58:39,064 --> 00:58:40,423
Speaker 2: think it was related to me, but then he made

1345
00:58:40,424 --> 00:58:42,544
Speaker 2: a snarky comment that was clearly about me, and it

1346
00:58:42,624 --> 00:58:45,704
Speaker 2: was about me leaving my friends behind. We've gotten successful

1347
00:58:45,704 --> 00:58:47,704
Speaker 2: and leave my friends behind. And I had literally hired

1348
00:58:47,704 --> 00:58:48,784
Speaker 2: a bunch of my friends to write on the show.

1349
00:58:48,784 --> 00:58:51,024
Speaker 2: I didn't hire him, but I had hired probably too

1350
00:58:51,024 --> 00:58:54,224
Speaker 2: many friends actually looking back, and so I sent him

1351
00:58:54,264 --> 00:58:56,104
Speaker 2: a private message like and also it was going really

1352
00:58:56,184 --> 00:58:57,944
Speaker 2: poorly for me at that point, I totally bias, Like

1353
00:58:57,984 --> 00:58:59,503
Speaker 2: it was like, this is the hardest thing I've ever done.

1354
00:58:59,664 --> 00:59:02,064
Speaker 2: It's not going well. I hated here. I kind of

1355
00:59:02,104 --> 00:59:04,024
Speaker 2: wish I didn't have this show. And I said, but

1356
00:59:04,104 --> 00:59:06,184
Speaker 2: think like, hey man, it may look fun from the outside,

1357
00:59:06,264 --> 00:59:08,904
Speaker 2: but it's not. And I, you know, just I was

1358
00:59:08,944 --> 00:59:11,664
Speaker 2: trying to like, just you know, I'm not living the dream.

1359
00:59:11,824 --> 00:59:13,584
Speaker 2: You think I'm living the dream. I'm not living the dream.

1360
00:59:13,624 --> 00:59:15,624
Speaker 2: And he responded in anger, and so I was just like,

1361
00:59:15,664 --> 00:59:18,744
Speaker 2: all right, we're just We're just done here. And then

1362
00:59:18,784 --> 00:59:21,064
Speaker 2: when I moved back to the Bay Area in twenty fourteen,

1363
00:59:21,064 --> 00:59:23,144
Speaker 2: I got asked to do comedy Day and he was

1364
00:59:23,184 --> 00:59:24,984
Speaker 2: a comedy Day, and so I knew we were going

1365
00:59:25,024 --> 00:59:26,343
Speaker 2: to be around each other, and it just felt weird

1366
00:59:26,384 --> 00:59:27,984
Speaker 2: that like, I can't say hello to this guy. I

1367
00:59:28,064 --> 00:59:30,943
Speaker 2: can't and we didn't we sort of We definitely saw

1368
00:59:31,024 --> 00:59:33,144
Speaker 2: each other, but we sort of like passed. I was like,

1369
00:59:33,224 --> 00:59:35,704
Speaker 2: it's so weird, so weird, and I also felt like

1370
00:59:35,824 --> 00:59:37,823
Speaker 2: angry at him, but I was like I just got

1371
00:59:37,944 --> 00:59:40,383
Speaker 2: to like, you know, like you know, like yeah, angry

1372
00:59:40,384 --> 00:59:41,784
Speaker 2: at him for why did you do this to us?

1373
00:59:41,904 --> 00:59:42,064
Speaker 3: You know?

1374
00:59:42,304 --> 00:59:42,903
Speaker 1: So right?

1375
00:59:43,024 --> 00:59:46,144
Speaker 3: And when I spoke to his brother, his brother was like, look,

1376
00:59:46,184 --> 00:59:49,424
Speaker 3: I know, I know, I know, but you know, and

1377
00:59:49,544 --> 00:59:51,984
Speaker 3: he was like, yes, but he really loved you. And

1378
00:59:52,104 --> 00:59:54,304
Speaker 3: that's the thing is that, you know, I know, I

1379
00:59:54,424 --> 00:59:56,304
Speaker 3: know we all had problems, but he really loved you.

1380
00:59:56,344 --> 00:59:58,144
Speaker 3: And I know I know for a fact he loved

1381
00:59:58,184 --> 01:00:00,744
Speaker 3: you so much. He loved you so much.

1382
01:00:01,104 --> 01:00:03,503
Speaker 2: I didn't expect you to say that, and it really like, yeah,

1383
01:00:04,784 --> 01:00:06,584
Speaker 2: I'm glad to know that. And I just wish that

1384
01:00:06,744 --> 01:00:09,544
Speaker 2: I had known. I wish that I had I wish that,

1385
01:00:10,064 --> 01:00:12,264
Speaker 2: you know. I don't know that there's any way for

1386
01:00:12,344 --> 01:00:14,304
Speaker 2: me to like to have cracked that code, and as

1387
01:00:14,344 --> 01:00:17,784
Speaker 2: we none of us could. But I am happy to

1388
01:00:17,864 --> 01:00:19,384
Speaker 2: know that he did feel some love with me, that

1389
01:00:19,464 --> 01:00:20,984
Speaker 2: there was some love for you, and.

1390
01:00:21,024 --> 01:00:23,423
Speaker 3: I think it was kind of paternal and that's why

1391
01:00:23,624 --> 01:00:24,904
Speaker 3: he angry take me.

1392
01:00:24,944 --> 01:00:26,864
Speaker 1: Under his wing. And on the road and I bombed

1393
01:00:26,904 --> 01:00:27,903
Speaker 1: in front of him and he didn't.

1394
01:00:27,904 --> 01:00:30,024
Speaker 2: I mean, he it's a certain way that like, you know,

1395
01:00:30,144 --> 01:00:31,984
Speaker 2: Dwayne Kennedy is like a guy I've known forever, and

1396
01:00:32,104 --> 01:00:33,944
Speaker 2: Dwayne has done the same thing. And so I remember

1397
01:00:33,944 --> 01:00:35,823
Speaker 2: when they met, I was like, like he really did

1398
01:00:36,464 --> 01:00:38,104
Speaker 2: understand that, like probably like him, I was the guy

1399
01:00:38,104 --> 01:00:39,664
Speaker 2: who's gonna have to work harder to get to the

1400
01:00:39,824 --> 01:00:41,104
Speaker 2: plate to where I wanted to go.

1401
01:00:41,504 --> 01:00:41,984
Speaker 1: I remember he.

1402
01:00:41,984 --> 01:00:44,984
Speaker 2: Saw the Bell Curve my solo show and afterwards he's like,

1403
01:00:45,624 --> 01:00:46,984
Speaker 2: it's like, I see he was like really like I

1404
01:00:47,024 --> 01:00:48,584
Speaker 2: could see that there's a little bit of a pride

1405
01:00:48,584 --> 01:00:50,784
Speaker 2: in there, Like he I had written this thing and

1406
01:00:50,904 --> 01:00:52,904
Speaker 2: he and I finally put all these ideas together and

1407
01:00:52,984 --> 01:00:54,584
Speaker 2: he came and saw it. And you know, comics don't

1408
01:00:54,584 --> 01:00:56,863
Speaker 2: always support other comics work like that, so you're gonna

1409
01:00:56,864 --> 01:00:59,224
Speaker 2: have to go to a theater, you know. But so

1410
01:00:59,384 --> 01:01:01,464
Speaker 2: I'm it means a lot to me to hear that

1411
01:01:01,544 --> 01:01:03,863
Speaker 2: he there was still a love for me in there. Yeah,

1412
01:01:03,864 --> 01:01:05,664
Speaker 2: And not a lot of people I can talk to

1413
01:01:05,704 --> 01:01:06,104
Speaker 2: him about.

1414
01:01:06,144 --> 01:01:09,224
Speaker 3: So it's you know, we have to you and me

1415
01:01:09,344 --> 01:01:11,544
Speaker 3: and Brian Mallow, we have a long that we're doing

1416
01:01:11,624 --> 01:01:15,424
Speaker 3: therapy session. We have to do a long therapy session. Oh,

1417
01:01:15,464 --> 01:01:17,744
Speaker 3: Doug stand hope he'll be in the back. Mark Marin

1418
01:01:17,784 --> 01:01:18,104
Speaker 3: as well.

1419
01:01:18,344 --> 01:01:21,863
Speaker 4: I think we should book Tom Rhodes, Tom Oh Tom.

1420
01:01:22,064 --> 01:01:24,704
Speaker 2: I remember calling Tom one point like, hey man, can

1421
01:01:24,744 --> 01:01:26,184
Speaker 2: you help me understand Jim Short?

1422
01:01:26,624 --> 01:01:28,624
Speaker 3: Tom is a lot. Yeah, do we all we have

1423
01:01:28,784 --> 01:01:31,744
Speaker 3: to have a support group, like a grief I mean

1424
01:01:32,024 --> 01:01:35,504
Speaker 3: friends of Short. Yeah, it's it's because we all were

1425
01:01:35,664 --> 01:01:38,584
Speaker 3: with him for so long, for so many years, because

1426
01:01:38,584 --> 01:01:40,984
Speaker 3: he stuck it out, because there was value there. There

1427
01:01:41,064 --> 01:01:44,664
Speaker 3: wasn't if he was just mean you were angry as shitty,

1428
01:01:44,824 --> 01:01:47,264
Speaker 3: you would just walk away. But there was was much

1429
01:01:47,304 --> 01:01:48,184
Speaker 3: more complicated than that.

1430
01:01:48,344 --> 01:01:49,064
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's great.

1431
01:01:49,104 --> 01:01:51,784
Speaker 2: I saw him like in sort of hilarious ways, just

1432
01:01:51,904 --> 01:01:53,744
Speaker 2: burn some people down that he was mad at that

1433
01:01:53,904 --> 01:01:56,144
Speaker 2: what like just he would just when he turned on you,

1434
01:01:56,224 --> 01:01:58,463
Speaker 2: he turned I saw him like other comics. I remember

1435
01:01:59,184 --> 01:02:01,064
Speaker 2: the comic I remembers be like, what the fuck it's

1436
01:02:01,104 --> 01:02:03,304
Speaker 2: got burned down by Jim And he's like what was that?

1437
01:02:03,504 --> 01:02:05,664
Speaker 2: And we're like none of us knew what happened, so

1438
01:02:06,304 --> 01:02:10,784
Speaker 2: that you know, it's just he definitely you know when

1439
01:02:11,064 --> 01:02:14,424
Speaker 2: and that when that wit was aimed at comedy and

1440
01:02:14,584 --> 01:02:16,104
Speaker 2: he was and he was a Hicks guy.

1441
01:02:16,304 --> 01:02:19,024
Speaker 1: He was speaking to power. There was nothing like it.

1442
01:02:19,184 --> 01:02:23,144
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll book a therapy session that

1443
01:02:23,264 --> 01:02:28,383
Speaker 3: that's good to talk about it. He was very soft

1444
01:02:28,424 --> 01:02:30,384
Speaker 3: with Scott, though he never got mad at Scott in

1445
01:02:30,464 --> 01:02:31,544
Speaker 3: the way that he got mad.

1446
01:02:31,464 --> 01:02:32,104
Speaker 4: At the rest of us.

1447
01:02:32,184 --> 01:02:33,704
Speaker 1: I don't know why. Good for Scott.

1448
01:02:33,784 --> 01:02:37,384
Speaker 3: He's always soft on the gay people get he was

1449
01:02:37,464 --> 01:02:40,024
Speaker 3: soft enough. We don't want to he was always he

1450
01:02:40,064 --> 01:02:41,664
Speaker 3: always had a soft touch with Scott.

1451
01:02:41,864 --> 01:02:43,343
Speaker 1: Oh good for Scott. Yeah.

1452
01:02:43,504 --> 01:02:45,224
Speaker 2: For years was like, oh, never, he never turned on me,

1453
01:02:45,264 --> 01:02:46,984
Speaker 2: and then he did. And I just feel like I

1454
01:02:47,064 --> 01:02:48,984
Speaker 2: have that with Maren, Like Maren has never turned on me.

1455
01:02:49,064 --> 01:02:50,784
Speaker 2: He's turned on everybody I know at some point, but

1456
01:02:50,864 --> 01:02:51,184
Speaker 2: he's never.

1457
01:02:51,504 --> 01:02:53,224
Speaker 1: I feel like he's like he's got a soft spot

1458
01:02:53,264 --> 01:02:53,664
Speaker 1: for the block.

1459
01:02:54,424 --> 01:02:55,023
Speaker 3: I love Mark.

1460
01:02:55,144 --> 01:02:57,864
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for doing this.

1461
01:02:58,104 --> 01:02:58,384
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1462
01:02:58,944 --> 01:03:01,064
Speaker 2: Before I let you go, ask everybody if there's a

1463
01:03:01,264 --> 01:03:03,423
Speaker 2: cause or charity. I know we can't do the Chow

1464
01:03:03,504 --> 01:03:04,424
Speaker 2: Foundation doesn't.

1465
01:03:04,224 --> 01:03:06,544
Speaker 4: Exist, doesn't exist on his way, But is there a

1466
01:03:06,664 --> 01:03:07,024
Speaker 4: cause or.

1467
01:03:07,104 --> 01:03:09,144
Speaker 2: Charity you want people to know about? Because my audience

1468
01:03:09,184 --> 01:03:10,664
Speaker 2: likes homework, They like you know how they can help.

1469
01:03:11,064 --> 01:03:13,504
Speaker 3: Well, what I always play for on Jeopardy or any

1470
01:03:13,544 --> 01:03:16,264
Speaker 3: other game show where you donate. I always play for

1471
01:03:16,384 --> 01:03:19,784
Speaker 3: Friendly House, which is a wonderful recovery home for low

1472
01:03:19,824 --> 01:03:23,264
Speaker 3: income women and trans women and you know all anybody

1473
01:03:23,264 --> 01:03:26,704
Speaker 3: who identifies as a woman. And it's in la And

1474
01:03:27,424 --> 01:03:31,984
Speaker 3: I think William Shatner's would his, he's his what his

1475
01:03:32,024 --> 01:03:34,624
Speaker 3: wife who passed away. They gave one of their houses

1476
01:03:34,944 --> 01:03:38,343
Speaker 3: to them, so there they live in, like the Shatner House,

1477
01:03:38,424 --> 01:03:41,304
Speaker 3: the old Chattner House. And yeah, so I always I

1478
01:03:41,384 --> 01:03:43,304
Speaker 3: always raise money for them. They're gonna honor me in

1479
01:03:43,464 --> 01:03:47,823
Speaker 3: October for it, which is really great. They were so

1480
01:03:47,904 --> 01:03:50,304
Speaker 3: disappointed when I lost at Jeopardy, but I'm going to

1481
01:03:50,424 --> 01:03:52,304
Speaker 3: keep on playing for him. So it's Friendly House.

1482
01:03:52,624 --> 01:03:55,024
Speaker 1: There's a lot of pressure, that Jeopardy thing. Much pressure,

1483
01:03:55,104 --> 01:03:55,664
Speaker 1: so much pressure.

1484
01:03:55,704 --> 01:03:57,624
Speaker 2: When you're just playing regular jeopardy, you play for yourself,

1485
01:03:57,664 --> 01:03:58,824
Speaker 2: but playing for other people.

1486
01:03:58,664 --> 01:04:00,744
Speaker 3: Is a little so it's so intense.

1487
01:04:00,904 --> 01:04:04,224
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, so the Friendly House. Yes, that's again

1488
01:04:04,384 --> 01:04:07,704
Speaker 2: Margaret show always representing the stand up for women in

1489
01:04:07,744 --> 01:04:11,704
Speaker 2: the LGBTQ community, even at times when it's not popul right.

1490
01:04:12,024 --> 01:04:14,584
Speaker 1: Yeah, my last question, Margaret is the name of podcast

1491
01:04:14,664 --> 01:04:15,823
Speaker 1: is Who's with Me? Are you with me?

1492
01:04:15,984 --> 01:04:16,464
Speaker 3: I'm with you.

1493
01:04:16,744 --> 01:04:19,544
Speaker 2: I knew you were. I just had to ask thank

1494
01:04:19,584 --> 01:04:24,144
Speaker 2: you for doing this. Thank you for listening to this

1495
01:04:24,264 --> 01:04:26,383
Speaker 2: episode of Who's with Me. It was great to talk

1496
01:04:26,424 --> 01:04:28,704
Speaker 2: to Margaret, great to catch up, great to talk about Jim,

1497
01:04:28,864 --> 01:04:30,624
Speaker 2: somebody who I have a lot of respect for but

1498
01:04:30,744 --> 01:04:33,264
Speaker 2: didn't really get to close the loop with before you

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Speaker 2: passed away. It was a great conversation. Next week on

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Speaker 2: the podcast is Sarah Sidner from CNN, an old running

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Speaker 2: made of mine from our days back at CNN. We

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Speaker 2: have a great conversation again and Margaret. The cause that

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Speaker 2: Margaret talked about this week was Friendly House, LA, which

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Speaker 2: is a sober living house for women, and by women,

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Speaker 2: I mean all women. So check out Friendly House. It's

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Speaker 2: friendlyhousela dot org. Thanks to Rabbi Grant Productions. Thanks to

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Speaker 2: Pushkin Industries. Thanks to who Knows Best Productions, which is

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Speaker 2: Me and My Wife Special. Thanks to Chris Dowd from

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Speaker 2: the legendary Fish Bone for the theme music. Thanks for

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Speaker 2: the shirt, Chris, you said it to me. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: And this week, do something good for yourself, for your community,

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Speaker 2: and for the world or at least like productive anger.