1 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: The Welcome Bird Gang. On today's show, Paul Calvisi joins 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 1: me from Nashville. He's been with the team since their arrival. 3 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: What has he seen? Was he heard? What should we 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 1: expect for Saturday's preseason finale? But first, Paul has jokes. 5 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:20,319 Speaker 1: It's Cardinals Cover two, episode five eighty four, and it 6 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: starts now, Welcome to Cardinals Cover two, hitting the backfield 7 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: and down he goes for a loss. J. J. Watt 8 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: nailed it. Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hun Day, 9 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts. 10 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: Visit acy Cardinals dot com, Slash podcasts. He's at the 11 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: ten half of five peas in again, So for Harry Magic, whoa, 12 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: here's Craig Griolou. So I got to ask, Paul, have 13 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: you reached out either personally or through a third party 14 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: and apologize to Buddha Baker. Yes, I've been looking for Buddha. 15 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: I really have, and I'm trying to explain myself the 16 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: last guy who's making jokes about body weight, as Paul 17 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:12,119 Speaker 1: pencil Neck. That was not my intention. The question got 18 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: a little sideways, got misinterpreted when I said one tens. 19 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: I meant combined to twenty, and he obviously doesn't way 20 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: to twenty. And you know what, I would just be 21 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: better off and just forget those kind of questions and 22 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: remember my own matra no math. So in the future, 23 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: I got to keep that in mind for those that 24 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 1: might have missed. Its Budda Baker addressing the media and 25 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: what we saw earlier on Tuesday, we saw another one 26 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: of those promos for Hard Knocks in season which debuts 27 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: November ninth, and it all it is is Buddha Baker 28 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: and the weight room doing shoulder shrugs one hundred and 29 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: ten pounds, according to Buddha Baker, to which Paul you said, 30 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: what I said, I said, the one tens that's your 31 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: body weight meaning plural one ten plus one ten equals 32 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: to twenty. They list Buddha at one ninety five. I 33 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: mean the guys shrugging more than his body weight. It's impressive. 34 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: That was the point or intention to the question. He 35 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: didn't take it as such. He thought I meant that 36 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: he didn't weigh a hundred and ten and he said, oh, 37 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 1: we got jokes, and he laughed. And what was ironical 38 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: if you Will was at moments earlier he had said 39 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: how he had used a lot of the same jokes 40 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: during he'd used throughout camp, but he had a new 41 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: audience in the Titans and the joint practice, so he'd 42 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: gotten a lot of cheap laughs like that, and so 43 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: it was kind of funny that then all of a sudden, 44 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: I was accused of trying to go with jokes. So 45 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: for the record, by the way, Buddha Baker checks in 46 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: A one ninety four, and we know a lot of musicians. 47 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 1: A lot of musicians will go to Nashville for their 48 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: country music. Paul goes to Music City as a stand 49 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: up comedian and work out his material with the Arizona Cardinals. 50 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: At least I didn't end up on the karaoke stage 51 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: like other members of this travel party last night. Who 52 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 1: will go unnamed Darren Urban. Okay, there's some ammunition for 53 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: next week's Cardinals Underground. All right, let's get into it 54 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: here on Cardinals Covered two, presented by Hyunday, probably partner 55 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals. You've been there the entire week 56 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: with the Arizona Cardinals. The preseason finale coming up on 57 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: Saturday against the Tennessee Titans. What have you seen? What 58 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: have you heard? Your biggest takeaway? And I can say this, 59 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: it's just one joint practice, and that might have been 60 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 1: a good thing considering what happened on the second joint 61 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: practice between the Bengals and Rams this week. Yeah, and 62 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: you know what, the second practice between the Titans and 63 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: Bucks last week got sideways and they had a mini brawl. So, 64 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: as we found out afterwards, both teams were worn by 65 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: the head coaches, thou shalt not go into fisticuffs, all right, 66 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: let's not get feisty, no dust ups. And so anybody 67 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: was expecting as much they were sorely disappointed. Didn't mean 68 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: there wasn't a lot of intensity out there watching the 69 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: old line D line, watching a Cody Ford go against 70 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: the Jeffrey Simmons, and you got your first look and 71 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: there was some good and there was some bad. You know. 72 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: I thought Zach Allen looked excellent in some of the 73 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: old line D line drills. Man he is tracking greed 74 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: to have a really good season. Knock on Woody stays 75 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: healthy with that ankle all year. There was a lot 76 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: to see in terms of the intensity and the competitive fire. 77 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: The Cardinals play their starters as little as anyone in 78 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: the NFL, So I get it. We all wonder are 79 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,559 Speaker 1: they regular season ready, But based on that joint practice, 80 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 1: you know what, I would stamp them ready for Week 81 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: one against Patrick Mahomes and company. And I'll tell you what, 82 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: maybe the most impressive guy out there. Man, We've got 83 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: to practice a lot of patients because his name was 84 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins, and as AJ Green told us afterwards, he 85 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 1: came out intent on putting on a show. He was 86 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: gonna quote one hand everything, and he did multiple balls 87 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 1: he caught with one hand. In fact, it was interesting. 88 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: The only rep he lost was Caleb Farley, the first 89 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: round pick from a year ago six foot two corner 90 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: out of Virginia Tech. A lot out of injury issues 91 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: coming out of college, and last season he's finally healthy. 92 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: And as we're leaving the field after the joint practice, 93 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,679 Speaker 1: there's the sports talk radio blowhards over there in Nashville, right, Okay, 94 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 1: I use that loving link because we're in the same industry. 95 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: And what were they talking about? The one rep that 96 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: DeAndre happ lost when Caleb Farley tracked him on a 97 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 1: go route step for step and made a pass breakup. 98 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: So it just shows me how much respect DeAndre Hopkins 99 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,239 Speaker 1: has and when one of the young players actually showed 100 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: up against de Hop, well, they put that at the 101 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: top of their checklist. Gotta wait until week seven, and 102 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 1: that's really unfortunate because as much as we love to 103 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: see de hop on the field during the week prior 104 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 1: to Sundays, I'm okay if the man does not practice. 105 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,119 Speaker 1: He has proven himself to me that when the lights 106 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: are on or in a competitive situation like it was 107 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: this week against the Titans, he is going to go 108 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: one hundred percent. He is going to go all out 109 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 1: and no one is going to beat him. The one 110 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: highlight that made its way back here to Arizona, the 111 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: one on one and literally looked like a little bit 112 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 1: of a push up with that official there in the 113 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: corner of the end zone, didn't throw a flag, reached 114 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,559 Speaker 1: up and just snatched the ball out of the air. 115 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: And just the nonchalant reaction that Hopkins has when he 116 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 1: makes these catches just leaves everyone scratching their head. Yeah 117 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: on cameras nonslot, but when the camera stopped rolling, he 118 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: went around and tried to make sure everyone did have 119 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: it on camera because he wanted it for his IG story. 120 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 1: So and he was a little disappointed because one of 121 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: the camera people was blocked, so they had to go 122 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: to a different camera person. I think from the Titans 123 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:16,479 Speaker 1: actually got what you saw, and then they went to 124 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: the all twenty two the overhead the team film to 125 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 1: get you another angle on that one. But look greed 126 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: and all seriousness. When we interviewed Cam Turner, quarterbacks coach 127 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 1: co passing game coordinator a couple of weeks ago on 128 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: the Big Red Rage, what did he tell us about 129 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins That when he's on the field, they see 130 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 1: different coverages, they see different defensive philosophies. He really does 131 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: dictate that coverage that Kyler Murray sees. And from all indications, 132 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:46,919 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray is more adept at deciphering coverage when number 133 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: ten is out on the field. So if they can 134 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: just keep their head above water the first six games 135 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: and then bring back de hob I think everything changes 136 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: really for what Kyler's seen in terms of trying to 137 00:06:57,880 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: decipher and knowing where to go with the ball just 138 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: becomes a lot easier for him. Of Course, the X 139 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 1: factor is what will Hollywood Brown do? In trying to 140 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: dictate those coverage. Is he going to get that brackage 141 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: coverage and maybe some extra attention that a DeAndre Hopkins 142 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: typically gets. Is that going to be afforded towards a 143 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: Hollywood Brown. That's the Cardinals hope, because that seemingly is 144 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,559 Speaker 1: when the Cardinals offense passing game is at its best. 145 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: We have to wait, so that's not good. But we 146 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: do not have to wait, and you brought him up already. 147 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: Cody Ford the newest Cardinals player offensive lineman sixty three 148 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: three twenty nine. He'll wear number seventy two for the 149 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. And it sounds like, according to the head 150 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: coach Paul We're going to see Cody Ford in action 151 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: on Saturday. Yeah, just like we saw him. He got 152 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: off a plane, he showed up a Nashville to the 153 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: team hotel, and then about two hours later he was 154 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: running first team offensive line at left guard for Justin Pugh. 155 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: He's had plenty of NFL experience. He has a great 156 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: connection with Kyler. Obviously we know all that. And there's 157 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: a lot of similarities to me when you look at 158 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: him in the act position of Will Hernandez. These are 159 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: both guys who are taking high a top round two 160 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: highly thought of coming out of college, and then things 161 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: got a little sideways the more they got into their 162 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: NFL career. He started fifteen games as a rookie Cody 163 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: Forward at Buffalo, but then didn't quite get the same traction. 164 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: From what I can ascertain, they really consider him a 165 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: guard and a guard only, sort of the opposite of 166 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: a Josh Jones. What do we find out last year 167 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: that Josh Jones really is a tackle? He doesn't have 168 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: much of a future at guard in a pinch, in 169 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: an emergency. Okay, I think that's the same deal with 170 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: Cody Ford. Do they like the positional flexibility? Is he 171 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: capable at getting you out of a game at tackle 172 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: if needed? He told us yesterday he's played every position 173 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: except for left tackle and then of course center, so 174 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,559 Speaker 1: he feels confident. In fact, I asked him how confident 175 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 1: are you with it? And he stared at me and 176 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,439 Speaker 1: he see pause and he said, well, I don't want 177 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: to say what I want to say. Let's just say 178 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: I'm definitely confident I can play in this league. He's 179 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: known to have a mean streak and so and he 180 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: has that same body type as a Will Hernandez. So 181 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: for all of us who have been speculating for a 182 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 1: good five or six months that the Cardinals are going 183 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: to be more intent on a power run game, a 184 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: straight ahead power game where they're gonna just look at 185 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 1: you and try and come off the ball and beat 186 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: you in the trenches. I think Cody Ford adds to 187 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: that narrative because that's the sort of player he is 188 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: when he struggles. According to a lot of the Scotter reports, 189 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: it's in pass pro and he you know, he shouldn't 190 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: have as much of a problem with such a mobile quarterback. 191 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: And Kyler Murray. You like the addition, but I do 192 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: think it was an addition that was based off of 193 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: need and not so much of an upgrade. Justin Pew 194 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: you talked about it. He's dealing with the stinger. We've 195 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 1: got Justin Murray dealing with an ankle injury. Mark, He's 196 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: Hayes a knee, Danny is Adora a lower leg issue. 197 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: Those are four guards right now, and you need someone, 198 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: whether it is not Justin Pugh, Cody four can go 199 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: in there and plug right away. To be that starting 200 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:55,719 Speaker 1: left guard. You needed a proven veteran offensive lineman. As 201 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: you just broke down, think about Justin pu We presume 202 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: he's gonna be ready for week one, okay, but he's 203 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 1: also in year ten and he has a recent history 204 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: of some injuries. Will Hernandez, okay, he had the ankle, 205 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: He's look great. But then then what do you have. 206 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: You have rookies or you have unproven journeyman. So yes, 207 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: I agree, And also you have a lot of compex 208 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: coming off this season next year. So to give up 209 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: a fifth rounder for a Cody Ford who you had 210 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: highly rated coming out in the draft, and you get 211 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: him in there with Sean Kogler. He already raved about 212 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: the dynamic in the room, with the personalities and the 213 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: good mix and guys able to keep a light and 214 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: they're helping him out. So to me, I like this, 215 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 1: you buy low and maybe you're able to acquire high. 216 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 1: You know, a future guy just like a Will Hernandez. Again, 217 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: you got Will Hernandez off the street for basically the 218 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 1: veterans minimum. Here's a guy who's the second guard take 219 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: in after Quenton Nelson a few years ago. So you see, 220 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: you know, and the uncertainty of this entire offensive line. 221 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: Now you have an entire season to evaluate a player 222 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: instead of taking a chance in free agency. Really, this 223 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: could be a win win for both sides, pawn. We've 224 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 1: seen it, how many times wore a player. Sometimes just 225 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 1: a change of scenery a new team can elevate that player. 226 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: And I liked what Cody Ford had to tell you 227 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: guys in Nashville quote, it's a gamble on myself. I 228 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 1: wanted the new opportunity. Whatever happens, it's all on me. 229 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: I like the attitude humble, but also a humble brag 230 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: as well, because as a former second round pick, yes, 231 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,079 Speaker 1: teammates with Kyler Murray and Hollywood Brown at Oklahoma, he 232 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: does have the skill set. It just might not have 233 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: it just might not have appeared quite yet as a 234 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 1: second round, former second round pick. And you know, for 235 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: all the talk about Cody Ford and Kyler Murray, he 236 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: really has more in common with Hollywood Brown, does he not. 237 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: He's really looking for that second big contract to cash in. 238 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: He's looking for a system where he can show the 239 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: most of his ability and show that he's truly capable 240 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: of being, you know, a superior performer in the NFL. 241 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: So he has that in common. And there are enough 242 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: guys on this roster. When you look up and down, 243 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,199 Speaker 1: guys are are in a contract here, Guys are in 244 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: approve it year. If you're if you're not that guy, 245 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: you still have a lot to prove. And there's that 246 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 1: edge that I've noticed in this team coming off how 247 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: last season finished, and some of the noise and the 248 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: criticism and this offseason and in some of the other 249 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: drama that's gone on, and a lot of the Cardinals 250 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: and a lot of these these analytics are being just 251 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: I mean to go in a DVOA, to finish last 252 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: year six on the defensive side of the ball, and 253 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 1: then to be rated going into this season twenty eighth 254 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: on defense. Guys may not know how they formulate the DVOA, 255 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: but they're well aware of how people are dismissing the defense. 256 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 1: So I like the edge that I've seen out here, 257 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: and I thought we saw that in the Titans practice. 258 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: In fact, afterwards he heard Mike Vrabel admonishing his Titans 259 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: team for not matching the energy and the juice and 260 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: the intensity of the Cardinals brought out to that joint practice. 261 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,319 Speaker 1: You bring up the defense, and here is where I'm 262 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: going to rely on you. Paul, because you were there, 263 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: you actually have the contacts contact of what was seeing 264 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: and how it was delivered. I just going by what 265 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: I saw and kind of what I heard. But you 266 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: were there, and you get the sense. How concerned are you? 267 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: Because I'm very concerned right now when I look at 268 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: that defense in that cornerback room because of the uncertainty 269 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: and not knowing too much, in fact, not knowing anything 270 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:23,079 Speaker 1: about Antonio Hamilton. Yeah, that really is a mystery. I 271 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: don't know what to say about Antonio Hamilton. I certainly 272 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,959 Speaker 1: didn't see him suffer an injury in the Ravens game 273 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: on the sideline, so I don't know when. But then again, 274 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 1: there's ninety plus guys on that sideline. There's a lot 275 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 1: of traffic, and you can miss a lot of stuff. 276 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: So I don't know exactly what's going on. Could it 277 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: be another health issue of some sort beyond a football 278 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: related injury? Sure, I don't know. Could it be a 279 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: toe injury? Ever since he was named CB two and 280 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: a starter, could that be part of the equation with 281 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 1: the Cardinals a good seventeen million under the cap. I 282 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: don't know. The speculation is out there. Whatever it is, 283 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 1: you got to hope you don't need depth in that 284 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: cornerback room, Greed, I'm comfortable with Byron Murphy and Marco 285 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: Wilson and Isaiah Simmons really being the third safety. We've 286 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: seen it. The Cardinals based defense is almost that Nickel 287 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: look with Buddha Baker, Jalen Thompson and Isaiah Simmons and 288 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: then the two top corners. So if the Cardinals use 289 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: that primarily to start this season, especially against the Kansas 290 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: City team that features Travis Kelsey, you gotta figure Isaiah 291 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: Simmons if it's a game of matchups, he's checking. They're 292 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: all pro tight end through much of the game. You 293 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: gotta figure there. So I'm comfortable with that, but you 294 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: know how it works in the NFL. The injuries can 295 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: pile up at any moment, and then you have depth 296 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: that is largely unproven and untested. Josh Jackson has a 297 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: good at times, but it's been a bit of a 298 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: roller coaster in terms of his performance. You saw good 299 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: he looked in preseason game number one, then not so 300 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: much in preseason game number two. Christian Matthew, Okay, sure 301 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: he has the measurables, but here's the seventh round rookie 302 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: out of Aldasta State, and as someone told me, Gree, 303 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: you gotta figure that. Okay, they haven't gone against these 304 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: premier quarterbacks most of August. Think about it, Kyler Murray 305 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: missed a lot. Cole McCoy has missed almost the entirety 306 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: Cardinals training camp and then then the games. It's not 307 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: like these corners went against Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson. 308 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: So you hope you're not getting a false positive on 309 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: some of these corners going against backup quarterbacks, primarily as 310 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: you get ready for the regular season. I appreciate the 311 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: versatility of an Isaiah Simmons, Jalen Thompson being able to 312 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: cover in the slot, maybe even a Buddha Baker as well. 313 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: But you have, with the uncertainty of Antonio Hamilton, two 314 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: cornerbacks that you can count on, maybe one and a 315 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: half because the jury is still out. According to head 316 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: coach Cliff Kingsbury on Marco Wilson. Now, though, whether that 317 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: was more of a kick in the rear or legit, 318 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: worry that Antonio Hamilton is just better than a Marco 319 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: Wilson at this point. But you said something interesting that 320 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: I kind of thought about over the last couple of 321 00:15:56,080 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: days non football injury. Because when Kingsbury has asked what's wrong, 322 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: and he responds with we'll let you know week one 323 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: when we have to. That's not next week, that's in 324 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: two weeks. Next week is that bye week? So and 325 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: Cliff has been very I wouldn't say he's been very 326 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: open when talking about injuries. But when asked, point black, 327 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: point blank, hey, what's wrong with this player? He tells 328 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: you it's not upper body, lower body. He'll give you 329 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: a body part. This was This was a little bit more, 330 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: to use your word, mysterious to where maybe it is 331 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: something hopefully not as serious, but a non football related injury. 332 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: Because I'll tell you what, there was no one more 333 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: consistent day in and day out, for my money at 334 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: Cardinals camp twenty twenty two than Antonio Hamilton's. That guy 335 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: was locked in every single practice he I mean the 336 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: way he was john and barking at the offensive sideline. 337 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: He came to compete every single day. So it just 338 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: sort of adds to the mystery what exactly is going 339 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: on at the same time, other he's and you expect 340 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: him back at some point. But even with Antonio Hamilton 341 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,919 Speaker 1: on this roster. Would you be surprised if the Cardinals 342 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: made a deal for a corner, I would not. If 343 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:11,679 Speaker 1: they're able to deal from a position of strength the 344 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: back end of the receiver room, for example, the back 345 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 1: end of the running back room. You use one of 346 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 1: those assets to go out and get another corner, a 347 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: proven veteran, maybe someone once again in a contract a year. 348 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 1: Another team is not interested in extending long term. If 349 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: you can find that trade partner and you can bring 350 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: in a corner, I could easily see this team trading 351 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 1: an Eno Benjamin or Andy Isabella for example. Paul, I've 352 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:39,360 Speaker 1: been waiting for a veteran cornerback to be added months ago. 353 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 1: I thought it would have happened by now. I understand 354 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: the reasoning why. Sometimes you want to wait. Patients, see 355 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: what you already have on the roster. And yes, when 356 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: you have a veteran and you sign him ahead of 357 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: week one, that contract becomes guaranteed. If you wait until 358 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: after that first game, it's not a guaranteed contract. But 359 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: there are a handful of quality veterans available now. If 360 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: they were that quality, they would be on an NFL 361 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 1: roster right now. But they do have options talking about 362 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 1: the Cardinals. I just thought it would have been done 363 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:13,360 Speaker 1: by now until as we sit here late August. Yeah, 364 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 1: I'd say it's one of two scenarios. Number One, our 365 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: colleague Darren Urban Is right, Cardinals are gonna wait till 366 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: after the first game and then bring in a veteran 367 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 1: corner so they're not beholding to them for the entire 368 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 1: season's worth of a sizeable salary, right because there are 369 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: some big names still out on the market, okay. Or 370 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: Number two, Steve Kime has been working the phones and 371 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: he's just using the waiting game, waiting for some of 372 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: the trade prices to come down, perhaps the cost of 373 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:42,360 Speaker 1: doing business, and his teams get closer to finalizing their 374 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: fifty three and it's coming up in force right after 375 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 1: this final preseason game. Well, now teams are really willing 376 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: to dicker and make a trade and come down perhaps 377 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: in their asking price. So you know, if it doesn't 378 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 1: happen in the next week here, obviously, then I don't 379 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: think it's happening until after the Kansas City game. And 380 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 1: once again, in terms of the cornerback room against Kansas 381 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: City minus Tyreek Hill and what they have now their 382 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 1: primary receiving weapon is Travis Kelsey, and you have that 383 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: covered with you know, the Cardinals safety some of the 384 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: best in the NFL, including Isaiah Simmons. So maybe the 385 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 1: urgency there isn't as great, and so perhaps maybe you 386 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: get to Week two and the Raiders and you have 387 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 1: Davante Adams in company, and then you've got the Rams 388 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: in Week three. So it's a position that needs to 389 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 1: be addressed. And I'll say this because of the uncertainty 390 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: with Antonio Hamilton. When we talk about players that will 391 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: be on the field on Saturday in that preseason finale, 392 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: we know Byron Murphy is not going to play. He 393 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 1: hasn't played this entire preseason. Paul, I am not playing 394 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: Marco Wilson at all. Let him go through pregame warm ups. 395 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: I am not risking even if he's out there for 396 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: one series because of the uncertainty. Now, Cardinals no more 397 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 1: than I do, but I am not willing to risk 398 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 1: another cornerback injury. Yeah, down, Antonio Hamilton, I do agree 399 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:58,360 Speaker 1: with you. Would he benefit from some more reps, even 400 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: against backup quarterbacks like League will as sure, you know, 401 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: any and all reps are good, but at this point 402 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: you can't afford the potential injury. Now Savan Collins, that's 403 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 1: a different question. I don't think Savan Collins at this point, 404 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: if he asked me to forecast, is tracking for a 405 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: starting spot. I just don't. And so with that in mind, 406 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,439 Speaker 1: if they think he's still he still needs more work, 407 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: and he definitely does, then I could easily see him 408 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: getting the first quarter against the Titans team that you 409 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: gotta figure is going to come out and run the ball. 410 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: They're not gonna go with Derrick Henry by the way, 411 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 1: just Derrick Henry on on the bicycle, just working on 412 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: the side. Oh my god. I have the same reaction 413 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,439 Speaker 1: every time I see Derrick Henry field level and it 414 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: goes something like this, what's the defensive end doing playing tailback? 415 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: I mean six three, two fifty of just chiseled, you know, muscle. 416 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: It's unbelievable seeing Derrick Henry. So now Zaman Collins against 417 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: this power run game on a Saturday night, I think 418 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: there's a lot for him to gain. I really do. 419 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: I know we easily dismiss these preseason snaps, but he's 420 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: looked really good in coverage, Zavan Collins. We've seen him 421 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: running downfield against running backs and tight ends making plays. 422 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: I'm the ball stride for stride with some of these 423 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 1: receivers in camp, you still haven't seen the instincts and 424 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 1: you know what, You know it when you see it. 425 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 1: Did we not see it immediately with Chandler Wooten against 426 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: the Ravens. He comes into the fourth quarter and all 427 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: of a sudden, he is just shooting gaps. He is 428 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: reading his keys. He's playing linebacker with the instincts and 429 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 1: experience of a guy who is a three year starter 430 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 1: in the SEC. So you know it when you have it. 431 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: And the Cardinals is still waiting for Zavan Collins to 432 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,679 Speaker 1: be that guy in terms of stopping the run. Personally, 433 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 1: I want to see Zavan Collins on the field now. 434 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 1: Cliff told you guys that it's a game time decision 435 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: whether Zavan or Marco play. But to your point, we 436 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 1: haven't seen the splash plays from Zaven Collins. He's played 437 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: okay and has gotten lost a handful of snaps. But 438 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: when you are a former first round pick, that are expectations, 439 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,439 Speaker 1: and when you're going up against backups, the expectation is 440 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 1: for you to dominate. And I don't think outside of 441 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: that tackle for loss last week against the Ravens on 442 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 1: the tight end. I don't think we've seen Zaven Collins dominate, 443 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 1: even in the limited a number of snaps. Yeah, and 444 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: it's not just reading his keys, as we've heard from 445 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 1: some of the insiders. It's his ability or inability to 446 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,640 Speaker 1: get off blocks. It's allowing offensive lineman to get into 447 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: his body. He's got to shoot those hands out. He's 448 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: got to shed the block and make the play. The 449 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: moment he's tied up and doesn't come off the block, 450 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: the offense wins. The old lineman wins. That's his assignment. 451 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: Tie up the inside linebacker so the running backer someone 452 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 1: else can make a cut, get to the second level 453 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 1: and he gone. And that happens too often. There are 454 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 1: too many chunk runs when Zaven Collins is on the field. 455 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: And so just that alone is beneficial him trying to 456 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: get out there and work on shedding blocks because until 457 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: he does that, carey, he's not going to be the 458 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 1: middle linebacker the Cardinals thought he could be preseason. Game 459 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: number three of the preseason finale, four o'clock is the 460 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: kickoff twelve thirty game on the Arizona Cardinals Radio Network. 461 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: Paul you will have the call along with Drew Stanton. 462 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: What else as far as where your eyes and the 463 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: storylines that you're paying attention to. On this third preseason game, 464 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: Cliff was asked, you know positions, roster spots. I do 465 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: think they're a handful of jobs that can be won 466 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: or lost based off performances on Saturday. Yeah. I mean, 467 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: it's been a joy to watch Greg Dortche and Andy Isabella. 468 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: It really is Wolf and I had the argument on 469 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 1: over Andy Isabella is seeing the most improved guy in camp, 470 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 1: and unfortunately Wolf is wrong. It's Victor D. Mukage Wolf 471 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: sitting over here. By the way, it's Victor G. Mukage 472 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: from from last year to this year. But Andy Isabella 473 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: is a close second in my estimation. As Wolf's getting 474 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,479 Speaker 1: me the thumbs down right now, he does look like 475 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: a complete, polished receiver Andy Isabella. When he made that 476 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:52,199 Speaker 1: sliding grab for a first down against the Ravens the 477 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: other night, that's something we had not seen to date 478 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: from Andy Isabella. When he's now making contested catches, grabbing 479 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 1: the ball away from his body, that is a different receiver. 480 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,199 Speaker 1: That is an improved receiver. And we've gone through it. 481 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,439 Speaker 1: You went through it earlier this week, right when you 482 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 1: if you can't account for Deander Hopkins and you can't 483 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: and you don't know the status of an Antoine Wesley 484 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 1: and even some of the other guys like arondel Moore. 485 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: Is that a bit of a mystery. We don't know 486 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,919 Speaker 1: exactly what's going on there. Look, there's a place on 487 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 1: Annie Isabelle to start this season on the final fifty 488 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 1: three unlas dot dot dot. Another team comes calling and 489 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: for him to put on that performance on national TV. 490 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 1: I think that really benefit of the Cardinals and being 491 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 1: able perhaps to market him. Greg Dortsch has made this 492 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 1: team period, just on special teams. He's made it. And 493 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,640 Speaker 1: not to mention what he's been able to he looks 494 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: so good against the Titans DBS, they had no answer 495 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,120 Speaker 1: for him. Now we get to the running back room. Okay, 496 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 1: so you got four guys or three spots. I really 497 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: think it's two guys for one spot because Jonathan Warred 498 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 1: has made this team. I think Kanta Ingram, the rookie, 499 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: has made this team. He's on all the special teams. 500 00:24:55,720 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: They love his upside. He's got that size and athleticism 501 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: that you just can't find anywhere. Even though he was 502 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: the nineteenth running back taken, they like him. I truly 503 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 1: think it's Eno Benjamin against Darryl Williams for the last 504 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,120 Speaker 1: spot in that running back room. And just the fact 505 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,640 Speaker 1: that darry Williams suited up for the Ravens game when 506 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 1: he initially wasn't going to. Maybe he felt the urgency. 507 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,120 Speaker 1: And so I'm curious how they split up the carries 508 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 1: against the Titans in this final preseason game. And just 509 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: like they've done with Andy Zabel to a large degree, 510 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 1: maybe they Showcasino Benjamin and we come full circle. Agreed 511 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: to the start of the off season, when you know, 512 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,360 Speaker 1: Benjamin was getting rot a lot of props and plaudits 513 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: from the head coach, and maybe that continues right up 514 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: to perhaps making a trade before August thirtieth. Would really 515 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 1: hate to say that, Paul Calvc one of his hot 516 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,360 Speaker 1: takes and Bird Gang, he has a number of hot 517 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: tags during the course of the off season. I mean 518 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: it's on a weekly basis, but one of your hot 519 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 1: tags was Eno Benjamin being propped up to be a 520 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 1: trade candidate. KVB. Kyle Vanabosch, you know he admonished me 521 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 1: for that on the pregame show about the hot takes. 522 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: But it's amazing how many of these perhaps might come 523 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: to fruition degree. And you know what, sometimes you gotta 524 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: read through, read through some of the media comments because 525 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: too head coaches and gms use the media to send 526 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,199 Speaker 1: a message not only to their own team, but the 527 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: thirty one other teams. Say yes, because that does happen 528 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,959 Speaker 1: and so and look, I've had a couple of coaches 529 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: tell me in the last two weeks when I've asked 530 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,239 Speaker 1: about the running back room and nobody's saying anything. They 531 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: won't give up any intel on this other than to 532 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 1: say the following. We have five Week one running backs. 533 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 1: Now only four is going to be on the Cardinals roster. 534 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: That fifth one will be on somebody else's Week one roster. 535 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: Final fifty three. So you just cut that guy and 536 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: get nothing in return, or do you at least try 537 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 1: and dangle that guy out there, you know, Benjamin perhaps 538 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,120 Speaker 1: at Daryl Williams, even though he came off the street 539 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: and signed for basically the veterans minimum. You dangle that 540 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: guy out there and just get something in return, even 541 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: if it's a Day three pick. I just looked it 542 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: up last week against the Ravens. You know, twenty one snaps, 543 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: Darryl Williams four snaps. So pay attention to who's working pregame, 544 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: pay attention who's playing special teams on Saturday. Which leads 545 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: us to the last position group I want to touch 546 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,879 Speaker 1: on here, Paul, and that is outside linebacker. You've got seven, 547 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: not all seven. You can't keep all seven. You do 548 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,880 Speaker 1: not have that stud and Chandler Jones, Marcus Golden may 549 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 1: or may not be dealing what they tell how serious 550 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 1: is it could have been mitigated somehow to where he 551 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: returns sooner rather than later. And you've got three draft 552 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: picks that really haven't impressed to where can you count 553 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,679 Speaker 1: on having an impact early in the season. You know, 554 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 1: the guy who may be most curious to see week 555 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: one against Kansas City and regular season action was our 556 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: guest on the Big Red Rage, Dennis Gardeck. He has 557 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: looks so good in camp. He has been a problem 558 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: for Cardinals offensive lineman just ask Kelvin Beecham and DJ Humphreys. 559 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 1: He was definitely a problem in Cincinnati and then against Baltimore, 560 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 1: and he gave some of the Titans offensive Lineman fits 561 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: he was winning a lot of his reps. In that 562 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: eleven on eleven two minute drill there I wrote down 563 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: guardex sack and one of those reps even though the 564 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: past was thrown by the Titans QBS and talking to 565 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: him on the Big Red Rage, and he's in him saying, 566 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 1: you know what, I feel like, I'm playing fast again. 567 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,439 Speaker 1: He definitely feels like two twenty. He looks like twenty 568 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: twenty when he had seven sacks and a bunch of 569 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: other production in ninety three defensive snaps. And for him 570 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: to admit, you know what, all the questions that you 571 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: guys have about whether I can recapture twenty twenty production, 572 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: I have myself, you know, and I'm gonna have to 573 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: wait to find out. But you see the motivation in 574 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: his eye, and so I'm real curious in that room 575 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: to see Dennis Gardeck and then Victor dmukg. We already 576 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,959 Speaker 1: mentioned that I talked to a lot offensive lineman. If 577 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: you want to know about players, ask the guy's going 578 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: against him in practice, and they said it's legit. He's 579 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: stout against the run. He can obviously set the edge, 580 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 1: but he's refined his body. He has improved his get 581 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: off in his explosion, So I'm curious how those two 582 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: guys translate to the regular season, along with a Marcus 583 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: Golden and a Devon Knard, who I've talked to a 584 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: couple of times, and DK is really motivated to prove 585 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: that there was a reason he was a starter for 586 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: multiple seasons in Detroit. He feels like he's been dismissed 587 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,239 Speaker 1: as a viable starter in this Cardinals defense. So if 588 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: you have those four guys, you have that rotation, and then, 589 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: as you mentioned the three rookies, there's definitely more of 590 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: a learning curve than I think the Cardinals might have anticipated. 591 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 1: I'm not sure. The only guy I could see dressing 592 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: against Kansas City maybe my j Sanders, and they might 593 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: use them in a pass rushing situation second and third 594 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 1: or long and something like that. Otherwise, I think you 595 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: go with those four experience outside linebackers. Week one, A 596 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: lot of decisions still to be made, the last evaluation 597 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 1: coming up on Saturday, Cardinals and Titans the preseason finale. 598 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: Paul Calvis Andrew Stanton on the radio call, Paul will 599 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: let you go off of that. We know you got 600 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: some last minute shopping to do. You gotta get that 601 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: cowboy hat, you gotta get the cowboy boots so you 602 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: fit in on Saturday. Yeah, there's two kinds of player 603 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: in this camp right now, those who own their own 604 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: cowboy boots and hat and those who do not. And 605 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: the only guy's willing to admit to actually owning the 606 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: cowboy hat and boots is Avan Collins, Trey McBride, and well, 607 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: I'm not sure Cliff Kingsbury admitted to the hat in 608 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: the boots, but you did say he's a big country 609 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: music fan. So those are the three guys owning it 610 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 1: here in Nashville. Good luck on that shopping spring, and 611 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 1: you can ride it off as a tax business expense. Well, 612 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 1: and every barbecue trip is going on wolf Lee's tab. 613 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: Put it that way because he's the one dragging me 614 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 1: and pasted or the barbecue two times a day. On 615 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: that note, we will put a lid on this edition 616 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: of Cardinals Cover two presented by Hyundai, partner of the 617 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to our executive producer 618 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 1: Jim Amandro for Paul Calbisi. I'm greg Ria Lou. We'll 619 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 1: talk to you next time you're on Cardinals Cover two,