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Speaker 3: Family a family episode.
Speaker 1: It was good, you know, right that, what's up?
Speaker 3: What's up? Love you, bro?
Speaker 1: I mean, let's get right to it. We had Cam
Speaker 1: on the show about a month ago. We started debating
Speaker 1: New York City production superstars. What did you think when
Speaker 1: you saw that? Because that's kind of how this whole
Speaker 1: thing sparked.
Speaker 3: No, he got on my ass.
Speaker 1: I was going for I was reposting it too.
Speaker 4: I was guessing yea, y'all was totally leaving New York out.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I wasn't loving the narrative on New
Speaker 4: York City basketball, and Cam was kind of like, you know,
Speaker 4: he was kind of starting it too, and he from
Speaker 4: New York. He's supposed to be represented a little better
Speaker 4: than that, So I don't know. I wasn't. I wasn't
Speaker 4: loving that, and y'all left me out. Y'all named twenty
Speaker 4: nine players basketball players from New York City. They started
Speaker 4: talking about their little cousin or my little cousin would
Speaker 4: have been nice, and didn't mentioned vast season. I'm like,
Speaker 4: come on, that's crazy stacking Cam.
Speaker 2: Yeah, crazy, charged to my head, not my heart, dog
Speaker 2: charge to my head. I don't know what Cam was
Speaker 2: talking about. But uh, I don't know what Cam was
Speaker 2: talking about. But as far as point guards in the city,
Speaker 2: when you start talking about it, you gotta be around
Speaker 2: somebody from New York because when I start talking about
Speaker 2: I forget about Mark Jackson, I forget about Kareeman Reid,
Speaker 2: I forget about Booker Smith.
Speaker 4: I forgot about Rod Strickland.
Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: It's so many and about basketball no more. After I
Speaker 4: forgot Rot gave you love yesterday too. Oh man, I
Speaker 4: appreciate that because Rod is like, come on, legend of
Speaker 4: w like he's supposed to be mentioning like quick, I'm
Speaker 4: talking about plays in the league and talking about his
Speaker 4: style would play. He represented New York like completely, Like man,
Speaker 4: salute to Rod Strickland.
Speaker 1: You know, we had a dope We had a dope interview.
Speaker 1: It seemed like a lot of his his interview was
Speaker 1: about kind of reflecting and understanding, like his part in
Speaker 1: the ship, like you know, he's to a place now
Speaker 1: where you know he's at peace with everything, but like
Speaker 1: his his his his cause and the problems that kind
Speaker 1: of came in his life. So it was dope. He
Speaker 1: was really that open. But uh, what you say about
Speaker 1: Cam's highlight tape?
Speaker 4: Cam, I call Camm, we ought to get your high
Speaker 4: school jersey because Cam as a basketball player is definitely
Speaker 4: vible right now. But I was looking at Kim and
Speaker 4: Mace when he was at the garden. I was like,
Speaker 4: this looked like Bob Coozy highlights. And I was like,
Speaker 4: let me see. I was just looking at the stat
Speaker 4: of the movement. But Cam was nice. I didn't even
Speaker 4: know Kim was nice. I had to get some other footage.
Speaker 4: Cam was nice. So, you know, salute to Cam and
Speaker 4: Mace on the basketball.
Speaker 3: The whole funny part about the video is with Mace
Speaker 3: mad that.
Speaker 4: Cam pas That's the whole That ship was hilarious. That
Speaker 4: was average. Salute to those guys.
Speaker 1: What would you have done? Cam on the court though?
Speaker 1: If you all was going at it?
Speaker 4: Man, you seen Kim and Jimmy play one on one
Speaker 4: when when they did the footage like New Jack City,
Speaker 4: it had kind of been like that. I, me and
Speaker 4: Kim would have been at it because he was competitive, obviously,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. Because he was nice, but
Speaker 4: he wasn't like all American talent. But he was going
Speaker 4: had to head with all Americans. So he was one
Speaker 4: of them dudes that you would have to really darted with.
Speaker 4: I'm getting to some basketball love.
Speaker 3: Everybody speak highly about his game facts.
Speaker 4: He come on, stop it. I would have wrapped him around,
Speaker 4: like hit him, like.
Speaker 1: You know, you know I seen it.
Speaker 2: Oh God, I would have got him. Let's jump back
Speaker 2: to high school, Lincoln High School. I went to Lincoln
Speaker 2: High School in Texas. You know something, it's something about
Speaker 2: that name. But back in Coney Island, same school as Steph.
Speaker 2: But you know, Steph definitely said a standarday, but you
Speaker 2: were but to take it to another level, talk about
Speaker 2: your high school years and your experience in high school
Speaker 2: because most don't have that experience that you had in
Speaker 2: high school. You know, we talk about the shake, he
Speaker 2: was a rock star. Yeah, we talk about the Shade
Speaker 2: Kinks of Lebron James, and you're right there with all
Speaker 2: of them. So talk about your experience at Lincoln High School.
Speaker 4: Man, my experience in Lincoln was kind of dope. I
Speaker 4: ain't really look at it like that when I was
Speaker 4: in the league.
Speaker 1: Tell you the.
Speaker 4: Truth, like now, like I'm thirty eight, like I've been
Speaker 4: retired for a couple of years. I'll be looking at
Speaker 4: the highlights now and I'm like, all right, like this
Speaker 4: is something I can stand on right here. Just watch
Speaker 4: how I was moving and just as a high school player,
Speaker 4: like I'm not just like scoring because like I'm being aggressive,
Speaker 4: I'm doing between the legs step back three, I'm coming
Speaker 4: off the pick and rolls making the right pass.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I was just like, I don't know, I had an impact.
Speaker 4: I had a crazy impactful career in high school because
Speaker 4: I was training like a pro. You know, Steph, my cousin,
Speaker 4: and then my brother five, who was played the lead
Speaker 4: a little bit, so I was trained with him to
Speaker 4: be a pro already. When I came into ninth grade
Speaker 4: Facts and we won three championships. We got to tour
Speaker 4: the world, Like I don't know, the experience me and
Speaker 4: my teammates was like that was something that was something cool.
Speaker 4: We went everywhere like got everything I really supposed.
Speaker 2: To, graduated New York City's all time leading score, which
Speaker 2: is crazy.
Speaker 3: All the people that come through here. You was getting
Speaker 3: n IL money before il money. Facts talk about that,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 4: What I was thinking about it. I was like, it's
Speaker 4: a couple of dudes that have been in that that
Speaker 4: have been in that bracket, but like to be left out.
Speaker 4: I'm like, come on, we definitely, uh, come on, we
Speaker 4: was getting it, they said, Chris Webans was getting We
Speaker 4: was getting it. We was getting it. I told him
Speaker 4: we was on payroad since fifth grade with Nike, and
Speaker 4: then we.
Speaker 1: Moved over to.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I gotta run it back because one thing I
Speaker 4: love about my story is I'm well documented. I just
Speaker 4: haven't spoke much on it, right, But now they got
Speaker 4: to go back to the slam when I'm in fifth
Speaker 4: grade and I'm holding the Nike up like this, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. They could see that picture, like, yeah,
Speaker 4: we was already on payroll. So basketball have been a
Speaker 4: good business for me since I was a kid. For sure,
Speaker 4: what you.
Speaker 3: Was driving in high school?
Speaker 4: I had a couple of cars. I had a couple
Speaker 4: of cars. Jack, Yeah, I had a.
Speaker 3: Little Jag, little bands. Nissan.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Nissan is my only brand new car.
Speaker 3: Said.
Speaker 4: We was going up to cleans to the light getting
Speaker 4: the used cars, and then I think it was my junior.
Speaker 4: I want to got uh Nissan Z was like a
Speaker 4: Ferrari at the time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I used to be dripping.
Speaker 4: I used to be driving that thing and it from
Speaker 4: drive to neutral like I was in a Ferrari nowhere,
Speaker 4: like going nowhere, Like yeah.
Speaker 2: It felt like a Ferrari for high school or so
Speaker 2: is it true? Magic put your dad on a plane
Speaker 2: to go to the agent.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I forgot about that too, like we did.
Speaker 4: We did so much. Tell me how that came about.
Speaker 4: I forget what.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think maybe my junior year when I was being
Speaker 4: recruited from all the agents, Magic Johnson had an agent
Speaker 4: for us, so he was calling and I wasn't able
Speaker 4: to go obviously, So they sent the jet for my
Speaker 4: dad and he flew out, met them, talked to them everything.
Speaker 4: They flew him back and I was like, damn, I
Speaker 4: was me thinking. Now, I'm like, this is a part
Speaker 4: of that story. I'm like, man, that's crazy because Steph.
Speaker 4: Steph was like, hold on, I did that. Georgia Tech
Speaker 4: put me on. I was like, I they put my
Speaker 4: pops on it. Yeah, Magic Johnson, WHOA I should have
Speaker 4: signed with Magic Johnson. I don't know what he was pitching,
Speaker 4: but telling the running back right right, running back?
Speaker 3: Where did you rank in terms of the most famous
Speaker 3: high school ball players of all time?
Speaker 4: We said most famous.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you know we put you in that catego
Speaker 2: with lebron Shake Cotton. You know who else, Ronnie Fields,
Speaker 2: We'll put you in Duane Wagner.
Speaker 4: It's crazy because if you say the most famous, I'm
Speaker 4: obviously gonna put Braun because Braun is Braun right now
Speaker 4: in high school, but in high school, nah, you, I'm
Speaker 4: definitely going with Yeah, I definitely gotta be number one
Speaker 4: because why I feel that. I feel like the fashion
Speaker 4: in which we did it. And when I got to
Speaker 4: the school, we ain't have no contract for no sneakers
Speaker 4: and gear. When I left, they had a seven eight
Speaker 4: year contract, you know what I'm saying. So all that
Speaker 4: type of talk, like nobody can compare to me when
Speaker 4: it comes to that type of.
Speaker 3: How many times you was on TV in high school?
Speaker 4: A handful of times? Handful of times, but we was
Speaker 4: on the going. We went to the guard every year.
Speaker 4: You know, that was always televised. But we was packing
Speaker 4: our gym out. We sold that Madison script going twenty
Speaker 4: two thousand and the cra It's crazy. We told the
Speaker 4: whole world though we sold out in UCLA. We had
Speaker 4: we had that lit it was. It was the Lebroun Show.
Speaker 4: When we got there, we had the or grabs all around.
Speaker 2: They got the footage of this. It's crazy. Tell me crazy.
Speaker 2: Tell me how you felt when you saw this picture.
Speaker 4: When I first seen that picture, when I was doing it, when.
Speaker 1: You first seen the cover, Yeah, I get a drink
Speaker 1: for this one.
Speaker 4: I didn't understand what we wasas. That's a super classy
Speaker 4: right there. That's a superclass that's like catching greatness in
Speaker 4: the moment. And so people look at them type of things,
Speaker 4: they're like, oh, that's materialistic, it don't mean anything. But
Speaker 4: when you're coming from where I come from, that's everything.
Speaker 4: It's everything. And we're still staying on that. So don't
Speaker 4: let nobody tell you that stuff don't mean nothing. Have
Speaker 4: you have your shit in order, but that stuff do
Speaker 4: mean stuff, because if that's what motivates you, then that's
Speaker 4: what you're motivated by. But I'm sitting there with a
Speaker 4: techno Marina watch. I was just about like VVS is
Speaker 4: that's from Tito that biggie was talking about talk that ship. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I went up to Tito facts shout out my uncle
Speaker 4: Drew facts. So it's like, it's crazy when it comes
Speaker 4: to that like, come on like Brouno, like bron like Brouno.
Speaker 4: I was with Braun like Brono. Yeah, you know with
Speaker 4: the folks. Yeah, had a hummer cane and all that facts.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: We flew Braun out to New York and brown and
Speaker 4: them pulled up Rich Paul Man, the same crew, and
Speaker 4: we had the Turtles. We all had the jerseys on
Speaker 4: and they got to the game. They was like, they
Speaker 4: got your jerseys. I was like, yeah, like yeah, we sell,
Speaker 4: we sell my jerseys, right Braun, I said this story right,
Speaker 4: Brownly had two points that game. Everybody from New York
Speaker 4: pick on me about that all the time. Yo, your
Speaker 4: man came out here, he only had two points. He
Speaker 4: only had two points. Braun was ready to go. He
Speaker 4: already got what he got needed to get out the trip.
Speaker 4: You feel me. When they got there and they seen
Speaker 4: how he was moving, they was like, that's it right there.
Speaker 4: That was the first time entourage on TV was tangible
Speaker 4: to them. You know what I'm saying. Because my high
Speaker 4: school coach is not a high school coach. He's like
Speaker 4: somebody in the neighborhood. He's like your uncle in the neighborhood.
Speaker 4: My assistant coaches is my brothers and cousins and people
Speaker 4: that raised us from yaha. So when we got in
Speaker 4: that situation and it was our turn, we took full
Speaker 4: full advantage. And then we had Jay right there also
Speaker 4: with all the resources. So how it looked at them
Speaker 4: was like like, oh shit, facts, Bro was like, what
Speaker 4: I got two points? We all we gotta get on
Speaker 4: the plane because we gotta put this together. I'm about
Speaker 4: to go through without what he did. What he's doing
Speaker 4: right now, Yeah, that started right there, and he was
Speaker 4: online right there. He just started taking vitamins, just started.
Speaker 4: I watched that, so it's crazy.
Speaker 1: That's dope. Then the Sports Illustrated cover, all.
Speaker 4: The Sports Illustrated cover, I ain't understand that either. And
Speaker 4: the time when I'm doing this nah, like and in
Speaker 4: the whole time in the NBA that it didn't mean
Speaker 4: anything to me. I mean a lot now, but how
Speaker 4: old were you in that color? Senior junior junior sixteen, seventeen,
Speaker 4: and then this one the senior year, No, that's my
Speaker 4: sophomore year.
Speaker 1: That's the Slam is big, but Sports Illustrator is like
Speaker 1: another level. That's why to be a young teenager on
Speaker 1: Sports Illustrations. That's your junior. I mean, what was it
Speaker 1: like when that dropped. You may not understood the ship,
Speaker 1: but the world's seen it.
Speaker 4: It was definitely a lot of motion. It was definitely
Speaker 4: a lot of motion. It was definitely a lot of motion.
Speaker 4: But I definitely did not understand, like you know, for
Speaker 4: a kid. Now, like I got my nephews playing. Now,
Speaker 4: if I was to wake up tomorrow and see one
Speaker 4: of my nephews on Sports illustrate, like, I wouldn't know
Speaker 4: how to act right the fact, it'd be like a
Speaker 4: million dollars in your pocket, same ship. So that's super dope.
Speaker 3: Mhm.
Speaker 1: Adidas deal another Adidas baby, How old were you when
Speaker 1: you signed that deal with Adidas seventeen and you got
Speaker 1: a nice bag out the rip?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah it was sunny.
Speaker 4: Uh No, who was it? Kevin Wolf and them guys,
Speaker 4: Jim Gatto, Jim Gotto, Jim got on them guys.
Speaker 1: Talk about your experience with Adidas and coming into the
Speaker 1: league with shoe money and and shoes and I mean
Speaker 1: the dream, the dream continued on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Adidas played a huge role in this phenom, the
Speaker 4: Sebastia tell for a high school phenom, you know, because
Speaker 4: you know, they was paying and you know, providing the
Speaker 4: resources for us to you know, be like a team
Speaker 4: like a prep school, because at prep school they get
Speaker 4: them type of services where they get a van or
Speaker 4: a bus to the games, or they get uniforms every year,
Speaker 4: et cetera, et cetera. Adidas made us like a prep
Speaker 4: school at the time, and that that was super super
Speaker 4: unique for being a public school in the middle of
Speaker 4: Brooklyn where them teams don't go travel to La travel
Speaker 4: to Louisville, travel like we traveled so so many, so
Speaker 4: many times. And a lot of that was based on
Speaker 4: being on the dida's budget. Facts.
Speaker 1: You said the deal kind of gave you comfort. Did
Speaker 1: you get too comfortable or you were just you were official?
Speaker 1: You was ready to roll down.
Speaker 4: No, didas deal supposed to give me some comfort. Didasville
Speaker 4: actually never gave me comfort? Now maybe maybe uh comfort,
Speaker 4: I want to say comfort, I would say help me
Speaker 4: make my decision as far as going pro, because I
Speaker 4: wanted to go pro. Everything in my body wanted to
Speaker 4: go pro. It was just going to be how I
Speaker 4: was going to get some people around me. What that
Speaker 4: makes sense? Feel me? Every time we're on the court,
Speaker 4: I'm the smallest dude, all this type of stuff. So
Speaker 4: once the ADIDA deal came, it made sense to people
Speaker 4: around me. So it was like just it just it
Speaker 4: just made it make sense.
Speaker 1: Any thoughts about college, I'm sorry, any thoughts about college?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was going to go to If I was
Speaker 4: going to physically go to college, I was gonna go
Speaker 4: to uc l A. Okay, facts because oh my god,
Speaker 4: yeah Lavin Yeah.
Speaker 1: That was a yeah old boy ca Yeah, I was facts.
Speaker 4: I was going. That's where I was gonna go.
Speaker 1: Who was on those teams? That was the west that
Speaker 1: was the Westbrook? Was that the Westbrook era?
Speaker 4: And don't make a difference.
Speaker 1: No, No, that's the time your Westbrook, Kevin Love.
Speaker 4: No, but they after me.
Speaker 1: They're after you. See you are like airon to follow?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: Nick Collin, Darren Collison, Jordan Farmar, Yeah, this guy.
Speaker 3: Here I'm talking about was he talking about that's where
Speaker 3: he went?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Universe Yeah yeah yeah. The Louisville thing kind of
Speaker 4: came in, uh with the you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: You would have loved l A. You would love u
Speaker 1: c l A. Uh. Through the Fire ESPN does a
Speaker 1: doc huge hit. How did that come together? And and
Speaker 1: did you end up making any money off.
Speaker 3: That was just.
Speaker 1: Ship.
Speaker 4: Through the Fire came about because it was just so lit.
Speaker 4: They were smart. They were smart enough to.
Speaker 1: Put the cameras up, keep it, keep it real with
Speaker 1: they knew when they've seen it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they were smart. These were some smart people saying
Speaker 4: they're trying to make their next move and ran into
Speaker 4: young Bassie. But yes, shout out to John Hawk g
Speaker 4: locking them people over there. I don't know how through
Speaker 4: the Fire really came about. My guy Slice who runs
Speaker 4: bro Day. He wanted to take credit for UH for
Speaker 4: bringing Through the Fire about because he's a do bro Day,
Speaker 4: so he has to bring out, you know, ten thousand
Speaker 4: people to watch the game and all this type of stuff.
Speaker 4: And that's the first time John Hawk and I'm seeing
Speaker 4: me play UH through the Fire. Through the Fire was cool.
Speaker 4: It means so much to the coach of like all
Speaker 4: the kids watch it. My man Westbrook was like, Yo,
Speaker 4: everybody watched through the Fire. They're playing balling Lee. They
Speaker 4: watched through the Fire and I was it came out
Speaker 4: of nowhere, Like we wasn't even talking about nothing. We
Speaker 4: were sitting on the on the on the jet and
Speaker 4: he got on the I'm sitting on the seat. He
Speaker 4: got and sat down. He was like, your bassie. Everybody
Speaker 4: watched through the fire. They played ball in the lead.
Speaker 4: They watched through the fire, and I was like, this
Speaker 4: is my last in the league. So I guess he was.
Speaker 4: I don't know, you know how God worked though, that
Speaker 4: was supposed to be set on my on my ears.
Speaker 4: So I know after the effect that I had on
Speaker 4: the Kosha for sure.
Speaker 1: I mean, you had a lot of people come through
Speaker 1: your games. For those who don't know, can you give
Speaker 1: us a short list? I know, I know, we know
Speaker 1: Jay Z, Derek Jeter, who else? The likes that came
Speaker 1: to see the young young there?
Speaker 3: Spike Lee. We had Spike Lee.
Speaker 1: That's dope.
Speaker 4: We have Spike Lee in the building. And we all
Speaker 4: get back to Adidas too. We ain't letting the Dadas
Speaker 4: off the hook like that to tell us what you
Speaker 4: need to tell us now, because Adidas was was a
Speaker 4: big part of me making my decision to go to
Speaker 4: the league. And everyone know about the deal obviously because
Speaker 4: it was in the movie and so everyone kind of
Speaker 4: even the owners of the NBA. During my time in
Speaker 4: the league, everyone looked at me like I had that
Speaker 4: deal and that money came through my pockets and it didn't.
Speaker 1: You never touched under that.
Speaker 4: No, ain't, I ain't touched. I ain't touch That.
Speaker 1: Was like a twelve million dollars deal, thirteen million, but
Speaker 1: none of it it was.
Speaker 4: It was fifteen million dollars salary base and then they
Speaker 4: had a a incentive which was ten million dollars five million.
Speaker 4: You know you're gonna hit like average twenty one minutes.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 4: That type of shit seventeen percent from the feeth throw line.
Speaker 4: I mean me and Dda's been doing.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 4: I was Adidas baby. Basically, I'm the first and only
Speaker 4: person from eighth grade to play in ABCD camp put
Speaker 4: they sneakers and market them the whole time. When I
Speaker 4: was in high school, Like you know for Peanuts that
Speaker 4: s thirty one t that the kids talk about. I
Speaker 4: see it all in the comments. I used to wear
Speaker 4: that band when I started doing that. Me and Jay Frost,
Speaker 4: you know my guy from Cornyellen he Versu with Flawless.
Speaker 4: They got the frost Bite Show and all that, but
Speaker 4: he's alumni Lincoln. He made that for me and then
Speaker 4: Adidas seen that on me and they started putting. Then
Speaker 4: I seen the T mag one whatever whatever. They started
Speaker 4: doing that for all Adida guys. So I've been around
Speaker 4: Adidas for this for a long time. And when you
Speaker 4: watch the movie, like I said, this, the Bro Day
Speaker 4: and Through the Fire kind of go hand in hand
Speaker 4: because that's where they came to my community and watch
Speaker 4: me play at right. So then when we get Adidas,
Speaker 4: they understand that we coming from kind of a street
Speaker 4: ball setting. You know what I'm saying, We're from Cony Allen,
Speaker 4: We're playing street ball. The N one mixtape and all
Speaker 4: that stuff is lit at the time. And when they
Speaker 4: asks Adidas why y'all signed Sebastian, they said for street credibility,
Speaker 4: Like that's what they answer us, and regular living my
Speaker 4: regular life, some street terminof where I was a complete victim,
Speaker 4: complete victim in the situation and they get to snatch
Speaker 4: the money back off the rip a year two years
Speaker 4: into the deal, and I'm like, Nah, that wasn't protecting me,
Speaker 4: That wasn't that wasn't helping me at all. Facts because
Speaker 4: if they would have put any type of the only
Speaker 4: thing they said, if you don't get drafted, the deal
Speaker 4: is void. Other than that that's supposed to been my money.
Speaker 4: I ain't going for that. And when they took that
Speaker 4: money back, me and my family never functioned the same way.
Speaker 4: That's why my career was like that and everybody looking
Speaker 4: at me like what's wrong? Like what's wrong? Fuck? Y'all
Speaker 4: mean was wrong? A lot was wrong facts, And I
Speaker 4: kind of today, I kind of blame that on the
Speaker 4: data because if you come get my son right now,
Speaker 4: and I'm watching you with my son and taking care
Speaker 4: of my son, and then y'all walk them all the
Speaker 4: way over there, and then the first hurdle he got
Speaker 4: to jump over, y'all, don't jump over that hurdle with him.
Speaker 4: I would have a problem with that facts, Like a
Speaker 4: real problem like that, like a real problem, like a
Speaker 4: real problem. So where's that sh like did you assume them?
Speaker 4: Like where's it staying? Like it was so much shit
Speaker 4: going on. Nobody cared about that money at the time.
Speaker 4: It ain't makes sense. And I was a kid, so
Speaker 4: I didn't understand that I was protecting my security. You
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, saying my security. When I mean
Speaker 4: my security, people mean like you being safe. No, when
Speaker 4: you become an adult, when you're not a kid no more.
Speaker 4: The most important thing that you're gonna I'm talking to
Speaker 4: the kids now, the most important thing you're gonna have
Speaker 4: going on is your subcurity. You having the welfare to
Speaker 4: take care of yourself, you having a house, a car,
Speaker 4: some income, the way to take care of your babies.
Speaker 4: That shit, the number one thing adults is thinking about.
Speaker 4: I'm not guessing, I'm telling y'all. So them taking that
Speaker 4: away from me, like I was supposed to stop everything
Speaker 4: with and got the lawyers and went and fought with
Speaker 4: them about that money facts, and they see I'm not
Speaker 4: functioning right after look at my first two years perfectly fine,
Speaker 4: they take the money, I'm like a whole different player.
Speaker 4: So I asked myselfing, like, not to keep putting Braun
Speaker 4: in my story because Braun, No, I love them. I
Speaker 4: don't have not a single bad bone for Braun, Like
Speaker 4: I'm braun biggest fan when it comes to it, right,
Speaker 4: But take the Nikes off of Braun his second year?
Speaker 4: Does that help Braun? Did Nike take John Morin money?
Speaker 4: It don't make sense, so why or how they was
Speaker 4: able to take that. So I bring that to light
Speaker 4: because I'm like, yeah, at some point I would like
Speaker 4: an answer and Adidas. Maybe they do want to give
Speaker 4: an answer. They probably got an excuse, but it's only
Speaker 4: excuse because, like I said, you will never be able
Speaker 4: to explain to me if you I'm watching you with
Speaker 4: my son. My son is fourteen years old. I'm watching
Speaker 4: you and give my fourteen year old son money fifteen,
Speaker 4: sixteen seventeen, him wearing your product, You fly him all
Speaker 4: over the country and then you give him some money
Speaker 4: to make his decision, because I mean that shit would
Speaker 4: make anybody's decision. You keep it a band with you
Speaker 4: if you got to, you go to college and not
Speaker 4: and they put twenty million dollsand fun of what you're
Speaker 4: gonna do. You didn't want to hear nothing about college.
Speaker 4: So I feel like with that money should be guaranteed. Facts.
Speaker 1: Was it guaranteed in the contract?
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 4: If you don't get drafted, the contract is void. Other
Speaker 4: than that, that's your money.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep it real. Bron's gonna do with thing
Speaker 1: in some flip flops. But I understand what you're I
Speaker 1: agree with you mentality, I agree with you.
Speaker 4: But Michael Joans sit there and he was said, right now,
Speaker 4: Matt wrong, I come to do that without Nike, because
Speaker 4: it's how you do it. I said, the way we was,
Speaker 4: I became that fenom is with them on my side
Speaker 4: in high school, right, So, no, you don't become brown,
Speaker 4: don't come brown without Nike like that, y'all. No, stop now,
Speaker 4: honest what you're saying with monipflops and the numbers and
Speaker 4: all that, but stop it, bro. So you're trying to
Speaker 4: tell me that joints don't help join. Joints don't help
Speaker 4: join mentally. As far as what just the mentality you're
Speaker 4: trying to tell me join sneakers and everybody having his
Speaker 4: sneakers on did not help Michael join mentality, I would
Speaker 4: disagree with you.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: they was gonna hoop regardless.
Speaker 4: Those for sure, for sure, But it's levels and the
Speaker 4: ceilings to when you're going through your journey and opportunity
Speaker 4: that you get. Nike set those out a different type
Speaker 4: of way and now if it goes right and you're
Speaker 4: a great player, Yes, they they accolates helped Nike also,
Speaker 4: But now I'm matt, stop it. Stop you still about
Speaker 4: the commerciales the regard thinking about hold on, so you
Speaker 4: try to tell me about he wouldn't be and he
Speaker 4: was wearing who's some of the player for he was
Speaker 4: wearing shacks. He had to wear shacks.
Speaker 3: If he was wearing shacks, he wouldn't be Lebron yesterday.
Speaker 4: No, the commercials and all that. Yeah, he probably have
Speaker 4: his numbers, but no, he won't be Lebron.
Speaker 1: No, you're talking about like the business.
Speaker 4: It all goes hand in hand to become the icon
Speaker 4: at the end of the day. So you're me in
Speaker 4: my head.
Speaker 1: Talking about actually playing. You're talking about the overall playing
Speaker 1: to No, these motherfucker's gonna do what they're gonna do.
Speaker 4: I told you what Kobe said to me. Y'all can't
Speaker 4: got me. Y'all got here on the bus. I watch
Speaker 4: y'all get on the bus. I got him a helicopter.
Speaker 4: I ain't even know Kobe tek helicopter at the time.
Speaker 4: I'm rest in peace like your soul. Kobe in the
Speaker 4: locker room, so I'm like, oh, ship like his. We
Speaker 4: can't guard him because he's taking that You feel me
Speaker 4: is levels. It's levels, man, I know you don't understand
Speaker 4: you You probablyn't have your own sneaker's levels. No, I'm
Speaker 4: not even levels.
Speaker 1: Argue about the levels. What I will argue about is
Speaker 1: this that would be still MJ would.
Speaker 4: Be on the give.
Speaker 3: Monster.
Speaker 4: I asked that machine Habachi. But that's not taking as
Speaker 4: mister Habachi asked, mister Hebachi, agent zero, one of the
Speaker 4: hardest dudes to guard in the league, ask him, ask
Speaker 4: him he was Hibachi with them Adidas on with that
Speaker 4: contract before any term on. Nobody looking at him crazy.
Speaker 4: So he got so we got into more. He said
Speaker 4: to himself. He got hurt though too, he got hurt.
Speaker 4: He didn't mention he got hurt. He was. He didn't
Speaker 4: mention that. Let me tell you what he said. Let
Speaker 4: me tell you what he said, Matt, let me tell
Speaker 4: you what he said. He said, after the situation in
Speaker 4: the locker room, when I got back on the court,
Speaker 4: I noticed everything outside of the night that the lines,
Speaker 4: That's what he said. Man, No, I.
Speaker 1: Agree, that could probably penetrate this kryptonite war for sure.
Speaker 4: Anything penetrating the mental and you're done.
Speaker 1: I'm not going with Broun and MJ though, But let
Speaker 1: we can move.
Speaker 4: You name it too, dude, So it's that's that's type
Speaker 4: of hard. But Matt, stop, Well, I'm telling you I'm
Speaker 4: telling you, no, I'm not getting up there. I'm not
Speaker 4: getting up there winning three championships, all that movie book
Speaker 4: and all that, and would end up being without Adidas.
Speaker 4: And I get already taking care of my family, me
Speaker 4: seeing my mama straight off this and all that. You're bugging, Yeah, Bud,
Speaker 4: you could be like that. Nah, I can't function out
Speaker 4: seeing my mom straight off for y'all out there and
Speaker 4: practice doing all that shit. Facts.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I guess that's you respect.
Speaker 4: That's Braun Brown Wild say you're best, not with anything,
Speaker 4: what's stop it. We was already, we was already in
Speaker 4: high school, already getting the little extra stuff, and we
Speaker 4: was already had that mental edge on dudes. It's a
Speaker 4: mental edge whether you want to look at me, whether
Speaker 4: you want to agree or not. It's a mental edge
Speaker 4: when you walk out there, dudes, got your sneakers on.
Speaker 4: I don't know Michael. I don't know Michael joined but
Speaker 4: I've seen stories of him saying when when he's getting
Speaker 4: bumping thums with people. Wait, it was the first thing
Speaker 4: he mentioned that take my goddamn shoes off. So don't
Speaker 4: tell me that's not a mental agg I had my
Speaker 4: own sleeakers in the stores, hot tops and low tops.
Speaker 4: That says a bash in Telfairshi wrote my nickname on them,
Speaker 4: that said Bassie. So don't tell me if you don't know,
Speaker 4: don't tell me. D Wade, don't tell d Wade the
Speaker 4: way the didn't want to wear no other shoes. He
Speaker 4: don't care them, ship, said Chang Chain. That's just better,
Speaker 4: said d Wade on it, don't tell me if you
Speaker 4: don't know, you don't know.
Speaker 1: No, I don't know what I.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's levels to it. West Brooks, Westbrook, he got
Speaker 4: Westbrooks out there, but a lot.
Speaker 1: Of but hold on, but Kobe went from Nike to
Speaker 1: or from Adidas to Nike. Why did he didn't go.
Speaker 4: From he and she still said co Bran on it,
Speaker 4: he went from He went from where he should have
Speaker 4: signed where he was and where you should have signed
Speaker 4: off the off, the get go, point.
Speaker 1: Blank should have been Nike. I ain't tripping off that.
Speaker 4: No, I really we could. We could agree to disagree
Speaker 4: with Matt. I really feel that. Yeah, you know, I mean,
Speaker 4: you got your life, your life. I'm not I'm telling
Speaker 4: you like Braun, Yes, Braun got a mental edge. Right now,
Speaker 4: you're thinking you see all the kids with his sneakers
Speaker 4: on all that. If you think that don't play no
Speaker 4: effect on.
Speaker 1: A mental edge.
Speaker 4: But mother, my b my mom got a Lamborghini that
Speaker 4: don't have that don't have Come on, bro, stop it.
Speaker 4: That do play effect on the game. So that's why
Speaker 4: you do get dudes in the league.
Speaker 2: And I would say this though, if I had my
Speaker 2: own shoe and I was playing against the nigga and
Speaker 2: he walked there with my shoes.
Speaker 1: On, make you I give what you're saying the mental side,
Speaker 1: but I'm talking about just game.
Speaker 4: That's the rock.
Speaker 3: You wanna take a picture after the game? Two nigga
Speaker 3: my shoes.
Speaker 1: A couple of people though, didn't they We just like,
Speaker 1: what what what role did jay Z play in your life?
Speaker 4: Oh? Man, I could have never met J and J
Speaker 4: able to play the role in my life. He would
Speaker 4: have been with you. But J just live like JJ
Speaker 4: just one of the real ones. Stat terminology like he
Speaker 4: just he just run the real ones say the truth.
Speaker 4: But it goes well, maybe just me Matt with me
Speaker 4: knowing me knowing jay Z and jay Z my man's
Speaker 4: at the game. Yeah yeah, I'm not going to the
Speaker 4: guarding and losing like Jay z is with me like
Speaker 4: like what are y'all talking about? Like, So it's that
Speaker 4: type of game. But Jada men like all the experiences
Speaker 4: around j was super cool. J Ben Jay the whole time.
Speaker 4: Jay been super rich like the whole time, like relationship,
Speaker 4: And No, I ain't really been around just coming back outside.
Speaker 4: But I know if I bumped into Jays.
Speaker 3: Gonna be picked right back up.
Speaker 4: It'd be up. Yeah, that's a fact.
Speaker 3: I hope.
Speaker 2: I hope y'all bump into each other because I know
Speaker 2: about that dynamic with you and them.
Speaker 4: That's the fact. That's the fact. No, J's super dope. Me.
Speaker 4: Me and Jay was at one night we in Baseline
Speaker 4: Studios and him and Wan going to the game and
Speaker 4: I'm air hustling. I'm like, I want to go to
Speaker 4: the game. And one turned to be like, all right,
Speaker 4: get back see my ticket. All right, So Jay was
Speaker 4: like me and me at twelve o'clock on the side,
Speaker 4: don't relate. I'm like, all right, I'm there ten o'clock.
Speaker 4: It's so funny. It was me and Joe Budden's was
Speaker 4: over there. I don't know who Joe Bunn's paying for.
Speaker 4: That's just my mental thought in the story, right, So
Speaker 4: Jay get there, get out the may back. I walk
Speaker 4: with him, and shit, he going through his pockets like
Speaker 4: he just got in from the night. Take his chain out,
Speaker 4: the big rock chain. I'm like, let me wear. He's like, nah,
Speaker 4: you're not getting me trouble. Put it back in his pocket.
Speaker 4: So we get to the seats. Y'all mean was playing,
Speaker 4: so I'm like stuck. It's my first time seeing y'all mean.
Speaker 4: And somebody from the Knicks came over and he was like, Jay,
Speaker 4: we gave you these tickets tonight, so you can't give
Speaker 4: us a bash in the ticket. You gonna get us
Speaker 4: in trouble. And Jay ignored them completely like that jas
Speaker 4: seventeen eighteen hundred particular right there, went right back into
Speaker 4: the game. I remember just watching like this like I
Speaker 4: would have I would have went, you could have handed.
Speaker 3: Me the two.
Speaker 4: I went outside watching it on the TV now. But
Speaker 4: j been cool the whole time, like, yo, let me
Speaker 4: get the maid back here. Facts. I ain't never had
Speaker 4: to ask for nothing.
Speaker 1: Facts.
Speaker 4: Jay just knew the vibe like they gave me the
Speaker 4: ice watch all that, like Jay, jasus j JJ facts,
Speaker 4: although you did well in high school off the court too.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine being in this social media era with
Speaker 1: your style of game and where they could really give
Speaker 1: you the millions of dollars and it's not have to
Speaker 1: hide or be in trouble for it. Everyone's making the
Speaker 1: mixtape now, Like, can you imagine what you could have
Speaker 1: done in this TikTok and instagram.
Speaker 2: Trash getting paid on Instagram for just dribbling and looking
Speaker 2: being trash bags.
Speaker 4: I like, I like my era better because it wasn't
Speaker 4: every body right, So I feel like, now, yeah, I'll
Speaker 4: be warded down right now for sure.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying, we like what kind of money?
Speaker 3: Though?
Speaker 1: Do you feel like you could have made it in
Speaker 1: a real nil where they could have really came and
Speaker 1: gave you Like here, bat you take this too.
Speaker 2: Like.
Speaker 4: Because you were already pretty much doing I mean, if
Speaker 4: I'm dominating, dominating the same way, but now it's kind
Speaker 4: of different. I feel like the popular kids, the popular
Speaker 4: kids is kind of getting them situations. Well I would
Speaker 4: have been one of them kids because that's my cousin also,
Speaker 4: so I would have ate right now, what yeah, what
Speaker 4: they said the highest like five million? Like what a
Speaker 4: little BRONI got, Like somebody got like five to seven
Speaker 4: million year. That would have been crazy.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine that?
Speaker 4: And then Instagram, Oh I would have been getting a
Speaker 4: baddies then like yes, I would have been getting all
Speaker 4: American chicks. Mmm.
Speaker 2: Two thousand and four, you could you decline for the
Speaker 2: NBA draft, you get you go to Portland to like
Speaker 2: the number thirteen. It seems like that would be a
Speaker 2: great situation there for you because you got Damon st
Speaker 2: out of mind.
Speaker 3: Nick Van Exell talk about that experience.
Speaker 4: Portland. That's the first team I could have got drafted by.
Speaker 4: I'm like, damn, nobody could have took me a little closer,
Speaker 4: like halfway because my family like really like New York.
Speaker 1: Is like, oh, that's all on the other side of
Speaker 1: the country talking about yeah we real New.
Speaker 4: York is like my mom's never had a license her
Speaker 4: whole life, Like you feel me, Like, so that's the
Speaker 4: first thing like that I was thinking about. I was like, damn,
Speaker 4: I got drafted to the firsest team possible, Dame the
Speaker 4: start of my Nigma exel.
Speaker 3: That was probably.
Speaker 4: Some of the best experiences I haven't it just being
Speaker 4: on the team with them and me being a fan
Speaker 4: of it.
Speaker 3: Since I was a kid.
Speaker 4: When I got that, I was like a little star
Speaker 4: struggle a little bit, tell you the truth. I'm the
Speaker 4: thirteenth pick and I'm like supposed to be this and
Speaker 4: now I'm looking at damon start of my especially Nigmah
Speaker 4: next to like you know, he wore number thirty one,
Speaker 4: you know he was Nickma was so cold as a player.
Speaker 4: That was that was super cool playing with him like
Speaker 4: I was in the Me and Dame started was starting
Speaker 4: in the backcourt the last thirty four games and my
Speaker 4: rookie year, I had like I like fifteen double doubles
Speaker 4: in that time. David started to scoring fifty games fifty like,
Speaker 4: so playing and all that with them was was super
Speaker 4: super dope. But I wish, I don't know, I wish
Speaker 4: I would went to a different team.
Speaker 3: How was Zebra around the time? Stories about ze.
Speaker 4: I'm glad you kept it there. I'm glad you kept
Speaker 4: it there on Poland. I love Zebo. I love Zebo.
Speaker 4: Me and Zebo had me and Zebo real friends, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. Like me and Zeo see and
Speaker 4: we see each other anywhere. We checking in with each other.
Speaker 4: We had our time where we where we bumped hads.
Speaker 4: You know what I think there, it's fly to be free.
Speaker 4: Though it's fly to be free. You can say whatever,
Speaker 4: I can say nothing. Who's going to find over the
Speaker 4: head with no pen nigga, I say what I want,
Speaker 4: but boom. In fact, somebody can't say shit to me.
Speaker 4: If I would have smoken weed when I first got
Speaker 4: to Portland, we would have been a okay, I never
Speaker 4: said this story. If I was smoking weed when I
Speaker 4: first got the pulling me and ze Bo and the
Speaker 4: balls and the squad, we would have been busting ass.
Speaker 4: That's a fact. We didn't jail because off the court,
Speaker 4: they was over there and I was over here. Ah,
Speaker 4: that's the real truth. We only losing about We were
Speaker 4: winning games and we only losing about a little bit.
Speaker 4: We're just not getting that little. We were right there
Speaker 4: that we had little The chemistry was off. And then
Speaker 4: I come in at the time, just because of the time,
Speaker 4: and you are Kanye West hot Jay talking about button ups.
Speaker 4: So I'm like this. They looking at him like this, nigga,
Speaker 4: ain't smoking, ain't got a button up on. I don't
Speaker 4: get this nigga out of here.
Speaker 2: Bro That that is like many blowing it down.
Speaker 4: They over there blowing it.
Speaker 3: Damn.
Speaker 4: They come in and they come in like asking for
Speaker 4: my piss, like yo, yo yo bo pass please like
Speaker 4: look feel me piss for me. They come in here
Speaker 4: like yo, smell smell my fingers. Smell my fingers. You
Speaker 4: can smell the weed. I'm like, damn, like yo, if
Speaker 4: I was smoking, we'd have been jelling because now I'm
Speaker 4: thinking about it. We didn't hang out off the cut
Speaker 4: at all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, y'all was doing two different things.
Speaker 4: Two different things.
Speaker 1: He was on the court every off the court every
Speaker 1: day smoking, yes, smoking and watch your field and smoking
Speaker 1: in fact, So that's why dudes was killing thinking about
Speaker 1: Indiana time.
Speaker 4: I was thinking about your time Indian what y'all was
Speaker 4: doing smoking together. So that's that's what we niggas. That's
Speaker 4: what we were. That's what we was missing. That's what
Speaker 4: we was missing, bro, that's what we was missing. I
Speaker 4: wasn't smoking. I wasn't smoking when I came into the league.
Speaker 3: We just had that.
Speaker 4: Your story crazy too, that.
Speaker 2: Your first five years you don't win the one of
Speaker 2: thirty games. This is how much does the situation matter
Speaker 2: when in the NBA, when you don't win like a
Speaker 2: free hold on the fans, Like when your contract up,
Speaker 2: it matters a lot, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: But when you first get in.
Speaker 2: The league and you try to get your feet your
Speaker 2: foot in the league and make a name for yourself,
Speaker 2: how hard is it going through?
Speaker 3: Going through that and losing.
Speaker 4: Losing was super new for me, right, And the thing
Speaker 4: about the loser. When I first got to the league,
Speaker 4: it was like it was the first time like losing
Speaker 4: and it wasn't on me. So I didn't even know
Speaker 4: that wasn't even an adjustment to make, Like I never
Speaker 4: even got comfortable. It's like, hold on, we losing and
Speaker 4: it's not even on me, Like my whole life's first
Speaker 4: time I touched the basketball, So winning and losing was
Speaker 4: on me. If we won, everybody was holding me up.
Speaker 4: We lost, I was the one in the corner crying.
Speaker 4: Now I'm just going through the motions like I'm just
Speaker 4: going through the motions. And the time in which I
Speaker 4: came in was was different also because we're still in
Speaker 4: the big man era, you feel me, So I'm just
Speaker 4: transitioning a little bit. With Steve Nash and Jake. Actually
Speaker 4: Steve Nash JK was Domint However, he didn't need a
Speaker 4: pick and roll. Steve Nash started mastering the pick and roll,
Speaker 4: and then they started again. I can come down telling
Speaker 4: z bo Al, Jefferson, Kevin Love. They had me with
Speaker 4: the post up dudes. You know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 4: couldn't get them to set a screen at first. I
Speaker 4: feel me coming down like drag, like set a screen.
Speaker 4: They like, well, I make twenty million, Like throw that
Speaker 4: to the post. Yeah down here, though, throw it on
Speaker 4: down here. These are super fast. Thaw it on down here.
Speaker 4: So shout out to Nick McMillan. He gave it up
Speaker 4: to me. In the Bleacher Report article, he said that
Speaker 4: he's like, nah, basically came in a different time. If
Speaker 4: I would have came in when they were shooting, I
Speaker 4: could shoot ten threes because that I don't know if
Speaker 4: you know, but I could shoot the ball pretty well,
Speaker 4: especially if I shoot the ball at high volume. Like
Speaker 4: I'm not a misser. I'm a you know, I stepped
Speaker 4: to the occasion.
Speaker 2: I would say, you are off the dribble. You a
Speaker 2: better off the dribble shooter than you are set up
Speaker 2: spot up shooter.
Speaker 4: Because you've never seen me with the team have good enough.
Speaker 4: I'm sitting there wide open knowing I'm getting shot. Like
Speaker 4: that's why I laugh at my NBA career. There's nothing
Speaker 4: to put my head down the ball. I laugh about
Speaker 4: it like sometimes the way the dice roll for you
Speaker 4: is just.
Speaker 3: That's how it is.
Speaker 4: That's how it is. It's a big man leader. It
Speaker 4: wasn't a sting picks. He wasn't conn to shoot ten threes.
Speaker 4: I would have been perfectly fine if that was the case.
Speaker 4: But now I'm breaking dudes down. I gotta jump over
Speaker 4: ze Bo or Al Jefferson and his man every play.
Speaker 4: Now watch the point guards when they get to the paint.
Speaker 4: It's so true. Trey Young, Yes, in the paint with
Speaker 4: a for the he's stopping faking synth the text and
Speaker 4: then dropped it off. There's no help, nobody there. There's
Speaker 4: nobody there. So Kyrie getting into the lane now he's
Speaker 4: doing funks. Nah, you had to jump over three dudes
Speaker 4: that had been Tim Duncan down there. David Robinson, I
Speaker 4: came in that era in fact, so a little different.
Speaker 2: What best would you say that you came up that
Speaker 2: tried to steal in the right direction? Put like that
Speaker 2: gave you the game that you felt that you benefited.
Speaker 4: From all them. They all talked to me because they
Speaker 4: all the Vests know what happened. That's why I got
Speaker 4: relationships with all of y'all. It's not like y'all like
Speaker 4: I was there. You know what I'm saying. I wasn't
Speaker 4: there like maybe to the fans and owners, but the
Speaker 4: players know me. That's why I stuck around for some time.
Speaker 4: Like the players know me. But what you asked, I'm
Speaker 4: sorry with your question. Any vest right game that you
Speaker 4: know that you took he too. I don't know situation
Speaker 4: got I got. My situation got so off, but the
Speaker 4: VEST always respected I remember Damn Statama walking in and
Speaker 4: he was like, bass ship about to get real shitty
Speaker 4: around here. This is my rookie year, is gonna get
Speaker 4: real shitty around won't let you know. I ain't got
Speaker 4: nothing personal against you. I was like, I always respected
Speaker 4: that and I always knew how to treat the rookies
Speaker 4: because of that, because he wanted to know, like maybe
Speaker 4: things going to change, and my demean about I want
Speaker 4: you to succeed. Man. I don't really got no vets,
Speaker 4: no Vest stories. All the US hold me down. I
Speaker 4: remember KG. This is after my second year, right after
Speaker 4: I got arrested. This ship we in Vegas walking out,
Speaker 4: me and my brother in town with me too. KG
Speaker 4: walked in the gym and KG was like, KG flipped
Speaker 4: on me facts. But it kind of supposed stared me
Speaker 4: right at that point. But KG was like he let
Speaker 4: me know. He's like, nah, I'm not feeling none of that.
Speaker 4: I do just play ball, that gun, ship, this and
Speaker 4: that fact. So KG tried, I give him that one.
Speaker 2: I give him that Oh nine ten calves? You played
Speaker 2: against Lebron? How was the playing against Lebron?
Speaker 4: With with with Lebron?
Speaker 3: How did why did they put you in that suit? Man?
Speaker 4: You see me in the suit when I was on
Speaker 4: the caves, Bro, how are you in the suit?
Speaker 3: And the league?
Speaker 1: Bro?
Speaker 3: Come on signed why they put you in that suit?
Speaker 4: She's you know how I got to the caves was
Speaker 4: I got injured chasing d Rose down like I'm like,
Speaker 4: so I should have let him dunked the ball, he
Speaker 4: get it, steal we up eleven points, he get it
Speaker 4: still about to go up. I swiped down, tear my
Speaker 4: whole grown. He roll so damn strong. And then they
Speaker 4: were trying to figure out what the due man, I
Speaker 4: was with the Clippers and it was like Cleveland got
Speaker 4: the best medical staff. I was like, I called Cleveland,
Speaker 4: so they called Cleveland. They signed up to get me
Speaker 4: over there. When I got there, and shit, I had
Speaker 4: to rehab. I got in such good shape right when
Speaker 4: when we in practice, I'm telling bron Braun, you run
Speaker 4: me down. That'sid I'm gonna do. Boom, dunking that shit,
Speaker 4: throwing it up, catching off the ground, dunking it boom.
Speaker 4: So I'm like, damn, I don't know if they gonna
Speaker 4: let me play. Though it was five games left of
Speaker 4: the season, like maybe five to seven games left of
Speaker 4: the season, it was like, you want to play? I
Speaker 4: was like yeah, man, I keep saying this all my interviews.
Speaker 4: Run at tape back like run me back, like run
Speaker 4: me back, Like I'm I averaged like fifteen in them
Speaker 4: five games, seven assists. This plays. I'm going crazy. And
Speaker 4: then the playoffs started. Dude, I get to the locker
Speaker 4: and I got us. They don't got my jerseyy.
Speaker 1: I was like, mayn't even tell you.
Speaker 4: I was like, yo, Dad, I'm be in a suit,
Speaker 4: oh man. And then we're playing against Boston. That's why
Speaker 4: Brondo was busting. They ass like that, that's why Rondo
Speaker 4: was busting more. Williams ass like that. He like, my, my, dude,
Speaker 4: I'm supposed to be going to he right there on
Speaker 4: the bench of the suit. I'm about to kill more
Speaker 4: Williams and my and my ex wife and to she
Speaker 4: was like, man, bron called, asked for the club and
Speaker 4: everywhere here and call you when that game start. They
Speaker 4: ain't missing dinner with you since you've been here off
Speaker 4: days you at his house. Then the game start. I
Speaker 4: was like, oh, I'm like dade, I couln't even say nothing.
Speaker 4: I was like I was quiet like shit and worked
Speaker 4: like that shure you know how to go a different
Speaker 4: preseason all that whatever? That shol had me hot?
Speaker 1: Who suit?
Speaker 4: Was it? What suit? Who's what you mean? I have
Speaker 4: to put a suit on? Watch the game? You Yeah,
Speaker 4: it was my suit? Had to put some regular ship on?
Speaker 3: What you mean? I just think it was your suit?
Speaker 4: You have to put somebody else it? Or no, you did?
Speaker 3: You did you get this? That was no tailor made
Speaker 3: suit you had on?
Speaker 4: That wasn't some I had regular clothes?
Speaker 3: You found that ship?
Speaker 4: I got you?
Speaker 3: I got okay?
Speaker 4: Yeah, to stop my god, put that ship together the
Speaker 4: night or some ship. That's my god. I know I
Speaker 4: got to the lock I had a regular outfit on.
Speaker 4: I got to the locker after I worked out for
Speaker 4: the game and all that. I'm thinking, I'm about to
Speaker 4: go my jersey and all that was out of the
Speaker 4: locker room. I had to borrow somebody's suit.
Speaker 3: Jack.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. I know you put that ship together.
Speaker 4: Shout out to Cleveland doing your boy like that, got
Speaker 4: it out there and boget his ass Cleveland, Ohio doing
Speaker 4: me like that. Shout out to Yeah, damn Gilbert, like like, give.
Speaker 3: Us the store with the Phoenix sons. What's that Now?
Speaker 4: They be talking about the swag and the drip in
Speaker 4: the game and all that. So we was. I was
Speaker 4: having this argument and I was with Jabbed Dully. You
Speaker 4: know Jaffed Dully is he's a commentator. No matter where
Speaker 4: you're at, what you're doing, we can be all time. Yo, slows,
Speaker 4: were gonna get a job, get it done. Shout out
Speaker 4: to j V funny ship J did. He's a funny dude.
Speaker 4: I watch JD talk about buying his Ferrari for two
Speaker 4: years when he got it. He's like he's like a
Speaker 4: little kid. That's what I enjoyed him buying the Ferrari.
Speaker 4: That's what's up. Shout out to JD. But we all
Speaker 4: going to the Louis Vuitton store. So we're playing for Phoenix.
Speaker 3: It's me JD.
Speaker 4: Re mind these guys all make ten million, yeah, twenty
Speaker 4: in a year. Got Michael Red, We got j D,
Speaker 4: Michael Red, ha Keen Warrick, Josh Childers, Keith Morris, Shannon Brown.
Speaker 4: It's like that group. So we're going then soon JD
Speaker 4: getting there. Were in San Francisco, the big Louis Vuitton stuff.
Speaker 4: Soon we get in there, he like, tell the lady
Speaker 4: come in, come in. He was like, I know y'all
Speaker 4: keep tracked back there. I want you to take on
Speaker 4: id's and see who spent the most money. So we
Speaker 4: all like so we're all sitting there. The lady come
Speaker 4: back and she like she had me the call. First
Speaker 4: she was like him, and by the second, dude, half
Speaker 4: he spent half away, he spent Michael Red. So they
Speaker 4: all looking at me like, you won't even make no money.
Speaker 4: So I spent the half a man in Louis Vauton.
Speaker 4: But I got sisters. I got five sisters. I got
Speaker 4: a mama. You feel me, my whatever ex wife. You
Speaker 4: already know when they exits, you know how they spent
Speaker 4: all your exits spent heavy, Yeah feel me, So you
Speaker 4: already know how that goes. So that's what that was.
Speaker 4: So yeah, they was always looking at me like crazy,
Speaker 4: But I'm looking at these dudes like, y'all make all
Speaker 4: that bread with your mom A little five thousand dollars
Speaker 4: bad bro, One time.
Speaker 3: It was finished with your favorite stop.
Speaker 4: Definitely my my favorite stop. That's the cool city too.
Speaker 4: I love super got all the you know, got all
Speaker 4: the work. It's nice. Yeah, you know, work is a
Speaker 4: huge part of the NBA, bro, But it's nice out there.
Speaker 4: And it was the first time I was on the
Speaker 4: half decent team. Also tell you the truth where it's like,
Speaker 4: this might be a playoff team with me without me.
Speaker 4: So when I was there, I was like, I got
Speaker 4: a tip top shape, started doing my things. Second half
Speaker 4: of the season, I averaged fifteen and eight points. Second
Speaker 4: half of the season, we won game from the playoffs.
Speaker 4: They didn't want to make it to the playoffs, and
Speaker 4: I got the Bob got Steve National. They're like, and
Speaker 4: we make it to the player. We eight seed, we're
Speaker 4: gonna have to play against the number one seed, which
Speaker 4: is the Spurs. So Steve Grant Hill.
Speaker 3: No megas, like nah, smoke.
Speaker 4: Then we don't want that smoke. That's way, way too
Speaker 4: much smoke. So we kind of like, you know, let
Speaker 4: it go. But that's the first time like where kind
Speaker 4: of like I felt like I was in the.
Speaker 1: NBA Facts Cannabis, talk about your journey with cannabis, something
Speaker 1: passionate about you came and blessed the whole group when
Speaker 1: you came in here.
Speaker 4: We appreciate that, but talk about fact what the tree
Speaker 4: does for you. We got we got sweet OL's, We
Speaker 4: got sweet O's, my little brother, my younger brother. I
Speaker 4: don't like calling him little. My younger brother, Ethan king
Speaker 4: O Cyrus and that's his real name. That's my mama
Speaker 4: named him Ethan king Osiers. Telfare graduated from Idaho business degree.
Speaker 4: He's out in Arizona. Got uh one of the biggest
Speaker 4: dispensaries in Arizona. And we also got the cookie shop
Speaker 4: out there. So him and burned the fifty to fifty
Speaker 4: on the spot, running it up like we just you know,
Speaker 4: and joined ourselves. Got energy fat rosy.
Speaker 1: Obviously, the NBA has come a long way with it
Speaker 1: with the smoking policies. Uh. You know, a lot of
Speaker 1: people fail by the wayside, but one notable person was
Speaker 1: Michael Beasley. He got into some trouble behind the tree
Speaker 1: and loaded talent.
Speaker 4: The NBA old Michael Beezy some money, don't you think
Speaker 4: between him being fine, between him coming in so young,
Speaker 4: between him being fine, between that like really being a
Speaker 4: narrative on his whole career, like and now now it's
Speaker 4: perfectly fine, right what they do? Get one test with
Speaker 4: nothing and there's nothing so you could smoke in the NBA.
Speaker 4: Now we have about to do with that, of course,
Speaker 4: So I don't understand they got to double back on
Speaker 4: Michael Beasley, Like Michael be supposed to make three hundred
Speaker 4: in the league. Man quiet was called as fuck we
Speaker 4: stopped him. So I don't know if they gave him
Speaker 4: the right I reached to go about it to say like, yo,
Speaker 4: this is helping me mentally or helping my body. But
Speaker 4: at the time they were just doing them paying him
Speaker 4: like the bad guy putting the narrative, paying him less
Speaker 4: than when he's worth. And now you know he didn't
Speaker 4: get to finish his career out and that's perfectly fine.
Speaker 4: So I'm like they could look at his finds and
Speaker 4: give him his money back.
Speaker 2: That was the rules at the Timesie, so what, you're
Speaker 2: not robots?
Speaker 3: We all were smoking.
Speaker 4: Everybody they know the leave of smoking, so they've been The.
Speaker 1: League was in the drug rules at the time.
Speaker 4: Bet y'all put me in a drug program, like my
Speaker 4: last year we were in there, curse news years. He
Speaker 4: wasn't going no, he said, I wasn't going first them
Speaker 4: out because NB and not robots. And they got to
Speaker 4: understand that if Michael Beasley would have had a perfectly
Speaker 4: fine career or double his pay if he a't have
Speaker 4: that narrative put on him. While I feel like I
Speaker 4: know it was the rules, but WI I feel is
Speaker 4: important because the narrative that's put on God's is like,
Speaker 4: we gotta start controlling that narrative because that ship is
Speaker 4: more important than what we think. Right, So as players,
Speaker 4: we be saying, all right, that narrative affect how we
Speaker 4: get paid, right, that's important, But what's more important right
Speaker 4: now is the value that we have as players when
Speaker 4: we get done playing, right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So I kind of call it the the Stephen A.
Speaker 4: Smith effect, you know what I'm saying, because they put this,
Speaker 4: they put this narrative, and not to really point stephen A.
Speaker 4: Smith out, because it's really a collective when you really
Speaker 4: look at the narrative they put on the players. What
Speaker 4: I mean by that, like the narrative is the value
Speaker 4: of an NBA player when he gets out of the
Speaker 4: NBA like a car melo for him to go do business,
Speaker 4: it should be sky rocket, the opportunity should be through
Speaker 4: the roof. And the reason why we're not getting these
Speaker 4: opportunities and it's not skyrocket, you know, job opportunities for
Speaker 4: us because the narratives that's put on us the whole time.
Speaker 4: And what's the narrative, We're not winners. There's only one winner.
Speaker 4: There's only one winner. So they make a big thing
Speaker 4: about the championships and they're controlling the narrative with that.
Speaker 4: And when the guy get out the lead, if he
Speaker 4: don't win a championship, he don't have no value in
Speaker 4: the real market world. So I think as players, we
Speaker 4: need to change the conversation right now to let them
Speaker 4: know that no Melo is everything. He is a champion.
Speaker 4: He is the world and right now they got us
Speaker 4: when we get out the league. They're trying to do
Speaker 4: it to Westbrook. They're trying to put a certain narrative
Speaker 4: on him, and we think it is about to get
Speaker 4: him out of the league all about his money. To know,
Speaker 4: it's about when he's done. They want to control that
Speaker 4: value of what he's able to do. Because if we
Speaker 4: all walking out the league, who we really are? We
Speaker 4: play it. We didn't be done magnificent things. We have
Speaker 4: huge followings, the job opportunity should be there, and they're not.
Speaker 4: They're based on that narrative like oh that you ain't
Speaker 4: got six rings.
Speaker 2: No, I agree with you because it's it took me
Speaker 2: forever to get that narrative, narrative off of me about
Speaker 2: who who they perceived me as because of the brawl.
Speaker 3: But we did, but the times are different. We didn't.
Speaker 2: We couldn't control our narrative. We didn't have social media.
Speaker 2: It wasn't podcasts or stuff. Now you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So now we can control on there, but you are
Speaker 4: right back then, we couldn't.
Speaker 2: We couldn't. We had to just whatever they said about you,
Speaker 2: that's what it just had to be. That you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, and then not only when they say it,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be on TV ten times saying it. Yes,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, So you are right. But
Speaker 2: now they have the they have the opportunity to control
Speaker 2: they own narrative.
Speaker 3: Yes, you know what I'm saying, and you right about this.
Speaker 3: I agree with you on that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because the value is down on the players right now,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, I gotta change that.
Speaker 2: You should never have nothing to say bad about Russ
Speaker 2: Westbrook when he's all time leading triple doubles, got God
Speaker 2: give us all every every day.
Speaker 4: Shouldn't he'll work. This is a superstar of a fortune.
Speaker 4: Five hundred companies should be knocking. He should have fifty
Speaker 4: of them.
Speaker 3: But you don't talk.
Speaker 4: About he won't alone. He won't. He won't. He won't.
Speaker 4: If you listen to Steven A. Smith and the narrative,
Speaker 4: they don't call alone like that call alone, call alone.
Speaker 4: He did work ship Get me started, Yeah, don't get
Speaker 4: me started on don't get me started. But I feel like,
Speaker 4: as players, we gotta start controlling that narrative, and we
Speaker 4: gotta start networking a little better. I don't really like
Speaker 4: saying it like that. That sounded like some ship, like
Speaker 4: they said when I first got in the league a
Speaker 4: thousand years ago. Networking. Nah, we gotta come up with
Speaker 4: a different slogan. It's saying because dudes is not working together.
Speaker 4: We got all the influence, we made all the money.
Speaker 4: So while the perception of the retired players is not
Speaker 4: where it's supposed to be, while aren't dudes doing business?
Speaker 4: Why it is not up? While we don't go? I
Speaker 4: want that, Luca brose energy everything up and is stuck.
Speaker 4: You need a job, come holler. They don't. They don't
Speaker 4: want that for the players. Why not? We got all
Speaker 4: the influence. A thousand million kids have washed you. You
Speaker 4: you helped other households. People say, yo, my kid washed you.
Speaker 4: My kid went to school because of you.
Speaker 2: Rachel Niggas told me when I retire, she said, you know,
Speaker 2: the retired athlete is the most wanted athlete. The retired
Speaker 2: athlete that can speak is the most wanted athlete, not
Speaker 2: the athlete that's playing. Rachel told me that when I
Speaker 2: first retired.
Speaker 4: But that's that's true. But I don't really care about
Speaker 4: being One day. I wanted us to to Hedge Fund ourself.
Speaker 3: That's gonna be hard to do because you got something
Speaker 3: it is, bro, because not but it is.
Speaker 4: It shouldn't be, but shouldn't be. It should it shouldn't be.
Speaker 3: Everybody ain't like us.
Speaker 4: But what I'm saying, I'm not saying. I don't want
Speaker 4: to create Apple. I don't want to be that. It
Speaker 4: don't We don't. We don't need two trillion dollars.
Speaker 1: Bro, we don't need.
Speaker 4: We just need some energy. We need like we need
Speaker 4: like energy.
Speaker 3: We need that.
Speaker 4: We need to pull up Billy Hunt the paper.
Speaker 3: These niggas too.
Speaker 1: Fish.
Speaker 3: We need to jail.
Speaker 4: Didn't he Billy help in jail? He got, He got
Speaker 4: a live trouble with the jail, but he got for what.
Speaker 1: I thought he did. He have to sit up with
Speaker 1: that scandal.
Speaker 3: He's not in jail, Bro, I'm not.
Speaker 4: Here say he's still in jail.
Speaker 2: I think because somebody, somebody gave me his number recently
Speaker 2: gave me the books because he told me to call him.
Speaker 1: So he yeah, the players Association, Yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Don't he was. I don't want to get I don't
Speaker 4: want to get in between that. Right, but boom, because
Speaker 4: we controlled the narrative. Now right, I'm not asking, I'm
Speaker 4: saying it. I'm a former player and I'm talking, so
Speaker 4: we control the narrative whoever's in that position. And it
Speaker 4: shouldn't be a player, Billy Hunter. Drop should not going
Speaker 4: to a player because if you're a player, you make
Speaker 4: three hundred million, you don't have the time to do
Speaker 4: the right job. That's just my opinion. And you really
Speaker 4: don't care about the last nigga in the league. And
Speaker 4: you don't care about the last nigg in the league
Speaker 4: and you make three hundred mil. I don't know your childhood, right,
Speaker 4: So if I don't know your childhood, I'm not exactly
Speaker 4: sure how common it is for somebody to need some help,
Speaker 4: because you could put a kid that grew up perfectly fun,
Speaker 4: you know, middle class. I went to fucking Duke and
Speaker 4: then went to the league, and then now he's the
Speaker 4: head of the thing. He don't understand when somebody needs
Speaker 4: some help. So I'm not to blame him. You can't
Speaker 4: blame him. He don't he looking at you like why
Speaker 4: you don't have a job, Like everybody else, like what
Speaker 4: fuck are you talking about? Where I come from, everybody
Speaker 4: need help at some point, So somebody got to be
Speaker 4: in that position right there, right, So Boom can't be
Speaker 4: one of the players. Get that out of here. NBA,
Speaker 4: y'all can't had one of the players as the as
Speaker 4: the head. Do Chris Paul, he made fifty sixty million
Speaker 4: a year. How he don't give two ships about skip
Speaker 4: to my loop? He what he don't care about Bassie
Speaker 4: hold on, let me. I can't let you do that.
Speaker 4: I'm saying it though they got I'm not.
Speaker 2: I'm saying at the older guys lifetime retirement the NBA,
Speaker 2: Chris Paul went back and got our vet tell me.
Speaker 4: So you got to give him props for I don't
Speaker 4: know that. So you got to say that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: you got to say that. You got to say that
Speaker 4: the hair facts. But it still shouldn't be a player, right, Okay, okay,
Speaker 4: I'll give with Chris Paul world like he takes his family,
Speaker 4: but no, he don't got common people on his phone
Speaker 4: needing cell phone money and what I bet I put
Speaker 4: something on that fact. So Boom, you can't be in
Speaker 4: that position because you don't understand you it's nothing wrong,
Speaker 4: but you just don't understand. You to put somebody half
Speaker 4: comment that understands how to make it work. How is
Speaker 4: that going to help us? Because I'm here to advocate
Speaker 4: for the athletes. Right, So when Donakey was cheating, they
Speaker 4: came into the locker room they said, if y'all make
Speaker 4: a comment, we're gonna find the shit out of y'all.
Speaker 4: And then they came back and said, we ain't tell
Speaker 4: y'all how much because you know, we just sent them
Speaker 4: to make all the money to make the comment, and
Speaker 4: he take the twenty five thousand, So they ain't tell
Speaker 4: us how much because they was protecting the brand of
Speaker 4: the NBA. Right, I understand that as an adult. I
Speaker 4: understand that. Then So if Antoine Walker walk into the
Speaker 4: player's as social office and he's in whatever three million
Speaker 4: dollar debt, I got a problem with that leaving that office.
Speaker 4: If I'm supposed we're supposed to be the big NBA, right,
Speaker 4: this is the biggest thing going in our culture. Right,
Speaker 4: How that leave that office? That can't leave that office?
Speaker 1: Are you giving a hypothetical or that really happened?
Speaker 4: It did happen because we've seen it all over the
Speaker 4: newspaper and all that dumb shit. Right, that's not protecting
Speaker 4: the athlete. They do that. So the value of the
Speaker 4: athlete is down, y'all could have found the way to
Speaker 4: handle that behind the scenes. I feel I feel back
Speaker 4: to I'm sorry with the Billy Hunter. If you in
Speaker 4: that position like right now, I don't give two shits.
Speaker 4: Billy Hunter gave his family each a million dollars and
Speaker 4: they all went on vacations and they all got jobs.
Speaker 4: I don't care because at bash in Telfair wouldn't have
Speaker 4: much money without Billy Hunter and the way he put
Speaker 4: them accounts together, because them account wasn't like that the
Speaker 4: whole time, and y'all two players with me, we didn't
Speaker 4: have them extra them extra shits. Dudes that played before that,
Speaker 4: they don't got them extra accounts. Sept Ira raw of
Speaker 4: the for they don't got all the bridge account, a
Speaker 4: newity account. They don't got that supplement account. Y'all ain't
Speaker 4: have that. That's Billy Hunter doing. Billy Hunter is the
Speaker 4: only one in there talking about we need to get
Speaker 4: a bank, and he was around doing your time. He
Speaker 4: was talking bank. I said, so, how you go from
Speaker 4: he about to get us a bank till he hired
Speaker 4: him one of his boy that's what we do when
Speaker 4: we up, boy, when black people up, we hired somebody
Speaker 4: we know that's probably not qualified, but we still don't
Speaker 4: get it done. That's why we did preach what they
Speaker 4: talk about. You can't fire him from that, and we
Speaker 4: still buy that. Everybody do it, not just black people.
Speaker 4: Everybody do it. I'm only talking from my community and
Speaker 4: my culture.
Speaker 3: We just we just know.
Speaker 4: Wody white called me asked me for not Nobody white
Speaker 4: called me asked me for nothing. All everybody that call
Speaker 4: me asked me his mom you heard, yeah, so, And
Speaker 4: there's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with needing help.
Speaker 4: There's nothing wrong with that. So if you the big dogs,
Speaker 4: y'all gotta take better control over that. With that players,
Speaker 4: you on your bro. That's what I feel. That's why
Speaker 4: I feel. No, Jaylen Brown can't be making three hundred
Speaker 4: million and he he's the billy Hunter, so billy hunter.
Speaker 4: That was his job, that was his only job. He
Speaker 4: he had them conversations through years of knowing what's gonna
Speaker 4: happen to most players when they've done playing. I got
Speaker 4: a court, but he knows what's gonna happen with most
Speaker 4: Jaylen Brown don't know the feeling of what's gonna happen
Speaker 4: and what the door is gonna be knocked after that.
Speaker 1: Always been player has always been the press. That's not true,
Speaker 1: because Fish was Fish was the he was he was
Speaker 1: the side of something. They had a whole Billy had
Speaker 1: his own staff. I'm talking telling what I seen in
Speaker 1: my own eyes.
Speaker 4: I was really dead.
Speaker 3: Said he was personal.
Speaker 1: No, he don't make sure the president of the place.
Speaker 3: The spokesperson. Yeah, yeah, he was a spokesperson.
Speaker 4: Represent since Defense became the president on that ship. That's
Speaker 4: when they were sliding in and to get Billy Hunt out.
Speaker 4: He became that at the same time the Hunter get
Speaker 4: out of the stop it. It was never up under him. No, yeah,
Speaker 4: they probably. They probably let him intern. Yeah, go in
Speaker 4: turn was about to get this nigg out of here.
Speaker 4: Snig On gave back. What did Bassie spent all his money?
Speaker 4: He's still gonna have eight million dollars fucking with Billy Hunter. Nah,
Speaker 4: get him up out of there. Yeah, what that's the truth.
Speaker 4: I want somebody saying, no, Basie, that's not true. I'm
Speaker 4: in the NBA too, that's not true. That's the truth.
Speaker 4: What you play coming to the NBA right now, so
Speaker 4: you could spend all your money, you gonna have eight
Speaker 4: ten million dollars in the accounts. That wasn't true for
Speaker 4: steph On and number that's only on Billy Hunter. I'm
Speaker 4: not no, I don't know what Chris pulling them added
Speaker 4: into that, because I've been off the scene. I'm not
Speaker 4: in that world no more. You feel me. I went value,
Speaker 4: I'm back into the regular world happily, right. So I
Speaker 4: don't really know. But when I left, I watched Billy
Speaker 4: Hunter do all of that, and I watched them fire him.
Speaker 4: So from my point of view, and I'm not I'm
Speaker 4: gonna step on nobody toes. I don't feel no way
Speaker 4: against nobody, But like that looks funny, and dudes ain't
Speaker 4: really out here like that for us to be basketball players,
Speaker 4: and that shit look real regular out here. Man, I'm
Speaker 4: trying to tell you, if you're not actively working, try
Speaker 4: to tell me I could have been a ten year
Speaker 4: All Star and made three hundred million and I would
Speaker 4: have to stick around the NBA to make a living.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna make a living no matter what, bro. But
Speaker 4: I feel like the fact that we already we got
Speaker 4: the ball and we really are making the money, and
Speaker 4: we really do got the influence. We gotta implement something else.
Speaker 4: I don't know what it is, and it might be
Speaker 4: half money, half perception. It might be. But right now
Speaker 4: it's quiet. It's quiet for retired players. It's like we
Speaker 4: last on, We last on. It ain't nobody really what
Speaker 4: ain't nobody? Jay Z in the game, nobody took it
Speaker 4: and flipped it up three times. And now when Lulu
Speaker 4: Wayne get tax trouble and got seven million taxes, what
Speaker 4: Jayzon did them taxes?
Speaker 3: What I read Jayzon took care of you?
Speaker 4: All right, that's big dog toy. We had no big
Speaker 4: dog around basketball.
Speaker 2: Now we don't. We don't because and you need one.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you why though. The motherfuckers that would
Speaker 2: do that, they're not giving that money to I feel
Speaker 2: like you feel me. That's why I said it has fun,
Speaker 2: you feel me?
Speaker 4: Because it don't gotta be a trillionare It's gotta be
Speaker 4: something that's thurdy over there that we building something on.
Speaker 4: You know, it might be one building, there might be
Speaker 4: two buildings. You know what I'm saying. Something Joe Smith,
Speaker 4: I watch Joe Smith, I advocate for the athletes. I
Speaker 4: told him I was mad at you going that chaumas
Speaker 4: like that. I was so happy. When Ben Going got
Speaker 4: up and said son, Trumas answered it was an adult called
Speaker 4: trum You're supposed to respond like this everything marble. I'm
Speaker 4: a basketball player, I represent.
Speaker 3: So Ben Guarden Sport responding, yeah, what are you saying?
Speaker 3: How can you supposed to respond?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Can?
Speaker 4: I'll show my account and everything up over how you're
Speaker 4: supposed to respond? And you represented the basketball players. Cam
Speaker 4: was going off of that based on how they perceive
Speaker 4: retired basketball players. Niggas is washed up. That's how they
Speaker 4: perceive us. They ain't doing no business. I am I
Speaker 4: bumping into them at the ClearPort. We don't need nothing
Speaker 4: from them.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you a question, though, Bessie, talk to me,
Speaker 2: what what percentage of the player gotta take responsibility for that?
Speaker 2: For whatever whatever position they in, the player gotta take
Speaker 2: with some responsibility for that.
Speaker 4: Right, absolutely, absolutely, My fuck ups one thousand. But my
Speaker 4: thing is this, I'm not gonna not implement something like that.
Speaker 4: And because I know the dude's gonna suck up. I'm
Speaker 4: sure dude's gonna suck up. And guess what, dudes aren't
Speaker 4: fucking up like that? Everybody, It's not that bad. It's
Speaker 4: just nothing that's pityback and offer it. That's making it
Speaker 4: really bubble Stop what j seven million?
Speaker 1: Taxes?
Speaker 4: Similar address swite because he represented music? He like, I
Speaker 4: can't have Lulu, Wayne and Jail for film, right, we.
Speaker 3: Don't have a jay Z? But who would be that?
Speaker 4: It don't make it. I'm really trying to throw the
Speaker 4: idea out there.
Speaker 2: I don't see I don't I can't see nobody in
Speaker 2: basketball being that with so many with so much money,
Speaker 2: so many different players, with so many different.
Speaker 4: And that's why so much money, And that's why it's quiet.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. You've got their own agendas,
Speaker 4: half of them fake. It's supposed to be the Players Union,
Speaker 4: but like I mean, I don't know. I really don't know.
Speaker 3: So what's the truth is the true meaning of players Union?
Speaker 3: That's what we need to be asking.
Speaker 4: What's the true meaning of what's the true meaning of
Speaker 4: the players That's what we need to be asking. Like, So,
Speaker 4: what's the situation I gotta be in a get assistance?
Speaker 4: Do I got to be the lats?
Speaker 1: Have you discussed this with the Players Union?
Speaker 4: Everything I say, I'll say to them you said you would,
Speaker 4: or that you said I said you said it already,
Speaker 4: So I'll talk to the NBA more than the union,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, because we're trying to implement
Speaker 4: something in where with these divorces. When we got into
Speaker 4: the lead, they says, seven out of ten dudes get divorced.
Speaker 4: Now is not out of ten get divorced. We're clearly
Speaker 4: watching it and don't care. If he was the slam
Speaker 4: dunker and the big money maker. They leaving too, So
Speaker 4: why they don't put a contract in right now? When
Speaker 4: the guy get into the lead and it's girl when
Speaker 4: he says, oh, this is you know Susie, right, she
Speaker 4: gotta go in there and sign the contract too.
Speaker 1: What's that contract consist of?
Speaker 4: It's basically it's basically an in house prenup where it's
Speaker 4: like his money could be up for divorce if y'all
Speaker 4: don't get your own prenup. But these NBA accounts, like
Speaker 4: his service accounts is not up for debate. That's not
Speaker 4: up for debate. So will y'all get divorce?
Speaker 3: Luck with that one?
Speaker 4: Well, don't make a difference anywhere else. Got that many
Speaker 4: niggas making that much money and just collectively no, shut up, No,
Speaker 4: that's about right. Dan Facts. This is Director's three hundred
Speaker 4: and fifty players. What are you talking about two hundred
Speaker 4: and fifty people? You can't come up with a contract
Speaker 4: for three hundred and fifty people. There's only three hundred
Speaker 4: from America now too. We ain't getting there.
Speaker 3: That's gonna be hard.
Speaker 1: So what would you want the contract to be?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 4: I just said it very simple. These accounts right here,
Speaker 4: that'ser the ones that we get from the NBA, the
Speaker 4: ones that we could put the money every year and
Speaker 4: all that. Those are for the player. Those are not
Speaker 4: up for discussion when it comes.
Speaker 1: You're not talking about just the bank accounts. You're talking about.
Speaker 4: Accounts that's regular. That's like everybody that's on my pension,
Speaker 4: your pension, y'all, y'all know the accounts came in. I
Speaker 4: got all of them, about to say, seven eight NBA accounts.
Speaker 4: I don't know if y'all. I don't know what y'all got.
Speaker 4: So and that's new. That's all Billy Hunter, Stephan dud
Speaker 4: dudes leaving three four of them nineties. They was leaving
Speaker 4: with a pension and had the way to your sixty five.
Speaker 4: So yeah, you gotta be perfect, bro, You better be
Speaker 4: doing business and networking and all that, like, stop playing
Speaker 4: with me, bro, I want to so I want to
Speaker 4: build something where it's like if I'm a part of
Speaker 4: a big corporation like that, it's some incentitives at all times.
Speaker 4: All that shit tied into retirement too though. That's the fact.
Speaker 4: That's a huge thing retired players. You can't leave the
Speaker 4: retired players out. We represent the league.
Speaker 2: When people think when when when they think when you
Speaker 2: say retirement, they think you're talking about retirement money and
Speaker 2: that other money involved in that, Like you're talking about
Speaker 2: what people don't understand. So you can get your retirement
Speaker 2: and still get money every month, check every month.
Speaker 3: Fact.
Speaker 4: But yeah, we can't. We can't let that. A lot
Speaker 4: of that's going to the divorce, to the divorce right now,
Speaker 4: so we can't. We can't. That's under stand on right now.
Speaker 4: I don't see nothing wrong with that. I don't see
Speaker 4: nothing wrong with that because right now we know it's
Speaker 4: not out of ten being And when I keep saying that,
Speaker 4: I want somebody saying no, that's not true. Nobody's saying
Speaker 4: ship when I say that out of ten dudes is
Speaker 4: getting divorce.
Speaker 3: Because we both divorce, all three of us.
Speaker 1: He said, he said, don't leave me out.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, like, so, it's not the point our
Speaker 4: situations in general for the next case, because that's a
Speaker 4: real problem. That's a huge, huge problem. Maybe the families
Speaker 4: that stay together. So I'm not trying to pick on
Speaker 4: a woman. I want to keep I want to keep
Speaker 4: the film together.
Speaker 1: Facts or maybe we shouldn't have been married while we
Speaker 1: was in the league anyway, maybe that was all fun.
Speaker 2: I mean, I take responsibility for my actions because I
Speaker 2: was a thought. You feel all basketball players first team.
Speaker 2: So I get it, baby, I get basketball players. I
Speaker 2: paid my dues and fine shress up light on the
Speaker 2: last three years. You kind of been in there the
Speaker 2: headlines like how are you as a person right now?
Speaker 3: You're good.
Speaker 4: I'm good. Tell me some time to get to this
Speaker 4: mental space that I'm in right now. I feel free.
Speaker 4: It makes me happy to talk like this to you guys.
Speaker 3: It's just good. See in facts.
Speaker 4: It makes me feel good to believe I'm embarking on
Speaker 4: something new. I got mad stories. I'm excited to show
Speaker 4: the world who I am because people don't really know
Speaker 4: who I am. We got to we get to hang
Speaker 4: out behind the scenes and see my demeanor. They see
Speaker 4: my my my newspaper articles, and like they try to
Speaker 4: put that demeano on me and I'm like, nah, like no,
Speaker 4: that's not me. So I'm feeling good.
Speaker 1: Uh current NBA, you following, you're paying attention, of course,
Speaker 1: who you like right now? Who's maybe your two or
Speaker 1: three favorite players in league right now?
Speaker 4: To watch sh when they're on. I gotta watch Jah,
Speaker 4: I gotta watch Dang. I gotta watch Yo, hold On,
Speaker 4: hold on, I gotta say fox too.
Speaker 3: See him every day.
Speaker 4: I don't feel like there's too many conversations that should
Speaker 4: be happening without that kid, because he like he's somebody
Speaker 4: that's taking the steps he taking. I see no ceiling
Speaker 4: right now, and he played defense shooting the ball right now.
Speaker 4: Say can't step behind, you can't go under no more.
Speaker 1: And that was his thing, get anywhere, he could get
Speaker 1: anywhere on the court.
Speaker 4: I'm watching this kid like I'm like watching watch you
Speaker 4: get to the paint. He's walking there.
Speaker 1: And dunk that bitch on you. Geez.
Speaker 4: He might he might be my favorites.
Speaker 1: Like this next wave when when Bron and Steph and
Speaker 1: Katy and all them guys, you know, have to step
Speaker 1: away from the game, who do you kind of see
Speaker 1: next error to throw? Maybe two or three guys or
Speaker 1: one guy in particular.
Speaker 4: I don't know. By no young boyfriend Orlando, he's like,
Speaker 4: y'all better start taking a look.
Speaker 1: Allo, Caro, big fella.
Speaker 4: He's playing like you know, he's like he's like he's
Speaker 4: super confident. Yes, sir, he's super confident. He's doing everything,
Speaker 4: he's trying everything, he's taking his losses. Like, I don't
Speaker 4: know that kid got a heat. I don't know. I
Speaker 4: don't know him personally, look like, got a nice good
Speaker 4: head on the show. It's like he's going to the
Speaker 4: top with it for sure.
Speaker 1: So he'd be the one.
Speaker 4: Player you say, I would say him when i'm because
Speaker 4: I ain't expect anything from Orlando, and now you gotta
Speaker 4: go in there and strap it up against Orlando. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 4: he's special, but my team is okay. See, like I'll
Speaker 4: be telling the dude like they they they special, you know,
Speaker 4: in the playoffs is going that's his family. But I
Speaker 4: want to see, I really want to see. I really
Speaker 4: want to see the Clippers surprise everybody, just to shake
Speaker 4: it up.
Speaker 1: I think the Clippers could come out the West if
Speaker 1: they stay healthy.
Speaker 4: If yeah, Kawas stay healthy, get Kawas some rest. You
Speaker 4: got Kawa out there? Really every game, change that rule.
Speaker 1: And Jan you know, and I always say, man, if
Speaker 1: James is motivated to play, uncle, fuck what he does
Speaker 1: off the court or when he wants to play, He's
Speaker 1: still a major problem. Still twenty and ten, and he
Speaker 1: did that.
Speaker 4: The more he plays, he's not one of them do
Speaker 4: that kind of way.
Speaker 1: Is down like and he's happy to He's at the
Speaker 1: crib too, and got the crib playing, you know. So
Speaker 1: I like the Clippers too, all right, quick hit his
Speaker 1: first team to come to mind, Top five New York
Speaker 1: City point guards of all time.
Speaker 4: It's about his health, It's about it, tell us about it.
Speaker 4: Helping was gonna be different than that. I knew that.
Speaker 4: I knew what he was about to say. Vast five.
Speaker 4: Who your childhood crush? My childod crush. I had a
Speaker 4: huge crush on A Keys when I was young. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I was on Lisha Keys. I was on the No
Speaker 4: I D thing on MTV. I was like giving her
Speaker 4: a shout out and all that. That's Swiss wife. So
Speaker 4: I shouldn't be what I'm saying. Child time Key a
Speaker 4: keys definitely when I was when I was younger.
Speaker 1: Craziest thing you offered while you were in high school?
Speaker 4: Five hundred. No, it's two hundred and fifty thousand. Not
Speaker 4: to sign with the agent I signed with a family friend. Wow,
Speaker 4: walking out the restaurant. Not to sign with this nigga
Speaker 4: and my junior year was my senior year too.
Speaker 2: Oh No, I'd have been signing everything. I'd have been
Speaker 2: signing to everybody, every d You know.
Speaker 4: What if I won't sign him, give me, I won't
Speaker 4: sound him. I should have took you, you know him,
Speaker 4: give me fifty.
Speaker 3: I want to sign with nobody.
Speaker 4: I've been signing too fifty letters to not sign with everybody.
Speaker 3: They knew that was the.
Speaker 4: Wrong agent for me. Going to Andy Crook Miller Crook facts.
Speaker 1: He stole from me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he stole talk about it and they brought
Speaker 4: it up me. He said, boys, you're well.
Speaker 3: I felt good to be free.
Speaker 1: Like if you want to look right in his eyes too,
Speaker 1: even that personal Okay.
Speaker 4: He's just a boy. Excuse me my language. Don't even
Speaker 4: talk like that. Yeah, like keeping the band my boys
Speaker 4: over there partly like I don't even talk like that.
Speaker 4: But Andy in my career. Keep it a band with you,
Speaker 4: Mike my.
Speaker 1: So he was in your agent the whole time.
Speaker 4: Yep, yep. I got an agent the last year, a
Speaker 4: different agent my last year, and I was like, okay, see,
Speaker 4: but Andy is my agent the whole time, Like that's
Speaker 4: the fact. But he didn't want me to fire him.
Speaker 4: He did signed wrong and I caught him and he
Speaker 4: didn't want me to fire him. So instead of allowing
Speaker 4: me to fire him, he went into litigation with me
Speaker 4: for a whole year, the summer while I'm in contract. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's how I ended up in China, dead ass. And
Speaker 4: then he told me this when I got to the
Speaker 4: point where I was like, Broy, you feel me, I'll
Speaker 4: tell y'all off camera. But I was like he had
Speaker 4: to tell me. He's like, I just didn't want you
Speaker 4: to fire me. Well, when I say live, I share
Speaker 4: a story with y'all. This during the lockout. This is
Speaker 4: during the lockout, and I'm sending in the crib up State, right,
Speaker 4: I remember sit like it was yesterday. I'm sending in
Speaker 4: the crib up State and the lockout ended. We didn't
Speaker 4: nobody knew when the lockout was going in. So the
Speaker 4: lockout ended him and he called me. He was like,
Speaker 4: lockout ended, Phoenix Suns want you to sign with them
Speaker 4: for one point five million dollars. I was like, like
Speaker 4: one point five it's like, tell him give me two
Speaker 4: million dollars and I'm gonna come right, And he was like,
Speaker 4: all right, let me call him. He called me back like, oh, TJ.
Speaker 4: Ford just signed with Spurs to one but five. I said,
Speaker 4: fuck what TJ Ford just did?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: He got an injury and he's older than me. So
Speaker 4: he called me back and he was like, all right,
Speaker 4: I got I got the deal for you here as
Speaker 4: goals you on your salaries one point five and then
Speaker 4: they got a five hund They're gonna buy you out
Speaker 4: of your second year five hundred thousand at the end
Speaker 4: of the season. Ten days after the season, I said deal.
Speaker 4: I got on the plane, I went to Phoenix, signed
Speaker 4: the contract when the Phoenix played there. When I got
Speaker 4: to Phoenix, I wasn't in great shape because I was
Speaker 4: in the crib chilling tell you the truth, right, But
Speaker 4: I got Steve Nash who's a little older, and I
Speaker 4: got Ronnie Price. Ronnie Price is you feel me likece
Speaker 4: is a good player, but like, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: start playing with me when we start yeah from the yeah,
Speaker 4: and he can't go into no bags. I love ryany price.
Speaker 4: We can't go into no bag athletic and all that. So,
Speaker 4: but they compete in heavy with me because I'm not
Speaker 4: in shape. But I get in shape all Star break,
Speaker 4: I started playing crazy good. We went on that run.
Speaker 4: I said, average fifteen and fucking seven.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: So the week before the season, I meet with Andy
Speaker 4: and Houston and I'm like, Yo, what type of contract
Speaker 4: can I get? You're like, ooh, the team love you.
Speaker 4: He said the minimum, get like at least three four years,
Speaker 4: five million a contract. I'm like, that's what I need.
Speaker 4: I get that. I'll be able to get that. Then
Speaker 4: work myself up to, you know, a better position. That night,
Speaker 4: I went out and kicked Cal Lowry and who was
Speaker 4: playing for Houston Rockets that year, Cal Larie Aaron Brooks
Speaker 4: beat the run a tape. I keep saying that run
Speaker 4: him taste back. You can't a lie, run them back,
Speaker 4: dog them. They don't know why though they already getting
Speaker 4: their money. But I'm out there like three him about
Speaker 4: to get paid for the first time, right and get
Speaker 4: a team to invest in me. Boom. The season ended.
Speaker 4: Hold on. At the season, I'm like, I'll go. I
Speaker 4: go to the president of operation. I say, y'all got
Speaker 4: me in the locker room and all these dudes making
Speaker 4: all this money, give me my money in six months
Speaker 4: so I can get bigger checks. Make it make sense, right?
Speaker 4: So I did that too. Season ends, My paycheck ends.
Speaker 4: I wait the ten days, I get the call on them,
Speaker 4: like where's my five hundred thousand? Them niggas is like, oh,
Speaker 4: we love you as a player, absolutely love you. You're
Speaker 4: gonna play for this contract. We're not gonna let you.
Speaker 4: We're not gonna sign you off and give you the
Speaker 4: five hundred thousand. We want you to play. So I said,
Speaker 4: hold on. The deal was for me to get the
Speaker 4: five hundred thousand. Andy Miller Live. So I went through litigation.
Speaker 4: That's somewher with them. Imagine how I'm talking to them.
Speaker 4: These are the ones dudes. Imagine how I'm talking to them.
Speaker 4: The gloves is off at this point, I'm going crazy
Speaker 4: on them. I end up not even getting a deal.
Speaker 4: They end up. They end up I end up playing
Speaker 4: for the one point six million dollars they supposed it
Speaker 4: wasn't supposed to be a conscious five one point five.
Speaker 4: Give me the five hundred thousand. I go about my business.
Speaker 4: If y'all want to keep me, we could sign a
Speaker 4: new contract right there. When I explained that to them,
Speaker 4: they was like, he lied, so he thought I was
Speaker 4: gonna go there at the end of the season. It
Speaker 4: wasn't gonna want me, and it was gonna give me
Speaker 4: a five hundred thousand, and then he went to lie.
Speaker 4: But that's how he lied facts. And then I then
Speaker 4: going through that, I realized, oh shit, I've been in
Speaker 4: the NBA this whole time. I didn't realize that if
Speaker 4: you get into a problem with your agent, the NBA
Speaker 4: is on the agent side, Like the NBA will not
Speaker 4: represent you against your agent. Other shit, they will and
Speaker 4: assist you, but against your agent they wion't. So I
Speaker 4: learned that the hallway that fucked my career. I never
Speaker 4: was to say I end up going to China and whatever.
Speaker 4: It was a dub and and the excuse was he
Speaker 4: didn't want me to fire him. I ain't see and
Speaker 4: the sense like I know they say he worked for
Speaker 4: rich and though somewhere I don't know, they say what
Speaker 4: I think got his license taken. He worked for rich
Speaker 4: but yeah, and they he's a sleeze ball at the minimum. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I said it, say.
Speaker 3: Most underrated food spot in New York.
Speaker 4: Most underrated food spot in New York is Lenny's.
Speaker 3: What is it?
Speaker 4: What kind of food is Chinese food? One of a
Speaker 4: Connies Linnies. We call him Junetoile.
Speaker 3: Where're at ye deep in the Jays? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, facts deep in the right?
Speaker 3: Your kitchen, Yeah, kitchen good, kitchen clean.
Speaker 4: And they called it the forty forty forty forty.
Speaker 3: Facts.
Speaker 4: You gotta come through and.
Speaker 1: Get you right. One thing you wish you was better at?
Speaker 4: Mm hmm. That's a good question. One thing I wish
Speaker 4: I was better at. I wish I was a better
Speaker 4: I'd be a better dad. If I could be anything better,
Speaker 4: I'll be a better dad. Because being a dad is
Speaker 4: something that we are. Being a good dad something that
Speaker 4: we all want to be. But having the patience at
Speaker 4: all times is something that you have to master. So
Speaker 4: if I can master that patience, like I take that.
Speaker 2: Song album or artists to play over your career highlights.
Speaker 4: Oh we're going with Cam Purple Haze, Fat Purple Haze
Speaker 4: on the Bitch. Facts soap opera all that, Yeah, know
Speaker 4: how to do it? And I got I got that album.
Speaker 4: I got that album like shorty, my ex bought that
Speaker 4: album for me, like like joking around, like well you
Speaker 4: knew York y'all dressing like like y'all diddy bop, shitty
Speaker 4: titty pop. She would say at the top, what I
Speaker 4: put that album in? Been stuck since this is Old four?
Speaker 4: When I came a Old four, same time coming into
Speaker 4: the league.
Speaker 2: One guess you can see on All the Smoke, But
Speaker 2: but you have to help us get your answer on
Speaker 2: our show.
Speaker 3: I want to ask you that again.
Speaker 4: Yes, who would you like to see on All the Smoke?
Speaker 4: She got to help us get Mike Tyson.
Speaker 2: Oh you know Mike Tyson. Nope, that can't listen. Listen
Speaker 2: to the full question. I met Mike Tyson like he
Speaker 2: knew me. No, listen to the full question. Who would
Speaker 2: you like to see on our show? But all right,
Speaker 2: you have to help us get your answer somebody you know?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would like to get Steph on the show
Speaker 4: for sure. Yeah, Steph outside. We just had this conversation start.
Speaker 4: We need you outside. It ain't the same.
Speaker 3: We're gonna go so up if you come outside.
Speaker 4: Come tell him how I busch the ass and contu.
Speaker 3: Stay back. We need you outside.
Speaker 4: Start a sap, not over zoom like that is he here?
Speaker 2: We need to start pull up. We need to go
Speaker 2: crazy when you come outside. We're going crazy.
Speaker 1: Trust stephe going crazy.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: Well that's a wrap, Bassie Man. We appreciate you. You know,
Speaker 1: should we go back your journey. I'm glad you're getting
Speaker 1: out and telling your side. I think that's important bro,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean like you were so decorated and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden he was off the map.
Speaker 1: So come out and talk your ship.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 1: It was a pleasure having you on the show on
Speaker 1: the Smoke.
Speaker 4: Appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a wrap. That's a wrap. You can catch
Speaker 1: this episode on all the Smoke productions.
Speaker 4: See y'all stand up.
Speaker 3: Yeah,