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Speaker 1: and can beat Donald Trump. Yes, of course I wanted

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Speaker 1: to change his behavior, and I wanted to acknowledge that

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Speaker 1: it was wrong. And so Lucy Flora is one of

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Speaker 1: the women out there. There's quite a few that have

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Speaker 1: had their hair sniffed and kissed and nuzzled by one

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Speaker 1: is it? I thought it was interesting. She wants an apology.

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Speaker 1: I think it's some point. If Biden is going to survive,

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Speaker 1: doesn't he have to acknowledge that it's outlier behavior. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. Perhaps, Yeah, well, let's talk about the significance

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Speaker 1: of it with the fabulous At last VBAC Enterprising investigations

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Speaker 1: reporter focused on politics for the Washington Post. At least,

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Speaker 1: nice to talk to you again. How are you hey?

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Speaker 1: And great? How are you guys? Great to be on?

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Speaker 1: Thank you fine and dandy. So listen, I've had women

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Speaker 1: say to me in the past there are a lot

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Speaker 1: but creepy is not on that list. And listen. I

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Speaker 1: guess question number one is just to you as a

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Speaker 1: something that you can't get away with in life, you know.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting. I was thinking about whether there's another politician

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys can think of someone.

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Speaker 1: So it is unusual, you mean, particularly with the hair

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Speaker 1: have said they don't think it's sexual, it's just weird. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And so it's not quite exactly the same conversation we've

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Speaker 1: saying that people should listen to them, it's probably worth

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Speaker 1: say there's more coming? I realized that speculative, But what

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Speaker 1: have you heard? Well, what we know concretely is that

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Speaker 1: no senator ever was involved in a sexual harassment related settlement.

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Speaker 1: So that means that Joe Biden when he was in

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Speaker 1: Maybe we should have been raising questions in the past.

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Speaker 1: I just think we're much more sensitive now as a

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Speaker 1: result of what's happened in the last time. I think

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Speaker 1: of the me movement. Oh, that's brilliant. At least few

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Speaker 1: the minute or two we know you have left. Um,

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Speaker 1: I have been stating, I Joe Getty have been stating

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Speaker 1: strongly and openly Joe Biden doesn't have a chance for

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Speaker 1: a couple of reasons. Number one, the creepy thing, I

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Speaker 1: he is. Track record would back you up completely. Well, right,

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Speaker 1: So what is the conventional wisdom or what do you

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Speaker 1: hear from people about why he's done so poorly as

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Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting. Obviously the vast field of candidates

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Speaker 1: his career. Well said at least Vieback of The Washington Post.

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Speaker 1: At least, we sure appreciate the few minutes. It's always

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Speaker 1: a pleasure. Thanks always, Thanks so much, guys, you got it. Thanks.

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Speaker 1: Don't run a foul of the meet you movement. That's

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Speaker 1: so good. That is so tweet that and true. Yes,