1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants Hutte on giants 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 1: dot Com, part of the Giants Podcast Network. Welcome to 3 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: another edition of the Giants Little Podcast. My name is 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: John Schmilk, and of course this podcast is brought to 5 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 1: you by p s E and G Energy Efficiency for 6 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: game time and anytime, visit p SEG dot com slash 7 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: Giants for discounts, rebates and home energy assessments. And before 8 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 1: we get started today with Jonathan Wilma from Fox Sports, 9 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: just a reminder go check out the Draft Season Podcast. 10 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 1: We had a new episode come out on Tuesday. We 11 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 1: break down Michigan Ohio state prospects and go around college 12 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: football a little bit heading into conference championship in bowl 13 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: season about some of the prospects that are rising up 14 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: or falling down boards around college football. All right, now, 15 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 1: let's get to our guests, and now we welcome on 16 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: our guests the NFL on Fox one of their analysts, 17 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: Jonathan Wilma. He has to call with Kenny Albert this Sunday, 18 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: Giants and commanded a MetLife Stadium at one o'clock. Jonathan, 19 00:00:58,240 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: thanks for being with us here on the Jihants Little 20 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: Podcas asked man how are you. I'm doing great, John, 21 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,479 Speaker 1: how you doing. We're doing fantastic. A big, really important game. 22 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: You know, this is December football, This is when things 23 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: start counting NFC playoff spot, you know, kind of on 24 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: the line here. They played twice in three weeks. Should 25 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: be a very impactful game on Sunday, Really will be. 26 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: I remember Champagne Knows used to say November gets you 27 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: in position to get in position for December, and then 28 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: December you make that run. Hopefully you went three out 29 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: of four and you know you'll find yourself somewhere in 30 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: the seating for the playoffs. So this will be a 31 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: great matchup for both teams. Yeah, Jonathan mentioned Sean Payin. 32 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: Obviously he played for him when he was in New 33 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 1: Orleans after he left the Jets. So Jonathan, let's let's 34 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: get into the game here. A little bit would have 35 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: been your thoughts. I know you haven't called the Giants 36 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: game at this year. I'm sure you've watched the tape 37 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: to to prep for this game. What is it about 38 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: the Giants this year that you liked that you think 39 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: they've done well to get them in the position to 40 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: your previous point to play for a playoff spot here 41 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: in December. You know, they first and foremost protected the 42 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: football very well. I really like the way that Daniel 43 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: Jones Saffon Barkley, the wide receivers, they protect the football 44 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: and then the turnover marchin because of that is good 45 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 1: and so that is always gonna at least keep you 46 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: in the game and you'll be somewhere within the score, 47 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 1: whether you're up a score, down to score at the end. 48 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 1: And that leads to the second part of them finishing games. 49 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 1: I know it's been a little tough to pass three 50 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: or four weeks, but early on the season you found 51 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,399 Speaker 1: the Giants in position to win and or close out 52 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: a game and they were getting it done. So in 53 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: those one score games, the Giants have been very have 54 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 1: done very well. Really like seeing that, and I like 55 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: seeing that they're practicing the fundamentals, excuse me, fundamentals, and 56 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: then they're really listening to what Brian Dable is preaching. Yeah, 57 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: and look they've run the ball to right. That's how 58 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 1: you keep these games close. You run the football, you 59 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: don't turn it over, and you're gonna be in a 60 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: lot of one score games. And the Giants, I believe 61 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: here seven and two in those in those one score 62 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: games this year. But the ring game hasn't been a 63 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: successful the last month or so, and teams have stacked 64 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: the box a little bit. What have you seen as 65 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: to why the Giants rush game you think has slowed 66 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 1: down a little bit over the last month. Well, the 67 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 1: in the last month. What you have is one injury, 68 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: so we can we can start there, and you obviously 69 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: never want to make excuses, but too, you also face 70 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: some pretty good offenses. Dallas has a pretty good offense. 71 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: So what happens is you can't run the ball. As 72 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: you mentioned now you're into third and longs. You also 73 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: don't have what is it three of your start or 74 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: projected starting four receivers. A couple of guys go out 75 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: early on and then when Dale Robinson goes out against 76 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: the Lions, so it's been hard to beat man coverage 77 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: with the wide receivers. Uh So that means Daniel Jones 78 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: has to hold onto the ball a little longer than 79 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: you have the sacks. So with the run game, you know, 80 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: you want to make sure that when you have you 81 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: have your guys healthy. And then two you're just gonna 82 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: have to commit to it that means three straight runs 83 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: sometimes just to keep the defense on this so that 84 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: you can at least open up the passing game a 85 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: little bit. I think you're the perfect I to ask 86 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: this question to. You've given the fact that you know 87 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: you play middle one back in the league for so long. 88 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: If a defense wants to just say, going into a game, Jonathan, 89 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: we're gonna stop the run here and we're gonna commit 90 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: the numbers necessary to do it. Can a team do that? 91 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: Or can you be good enough in the running game 92 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 1: where even if the defense has that mindset, you can 93 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 1: still run the football. Yeah, you can. Uh. The answer 94 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: is the latter part of your question that if you're 95 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: really good at running the football, you can, but the 96 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: mindset has to be similar to what the Tennessee Titans 97 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 1: are right where they run the ball in the first 98 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,559 Speaker 1: quarter for two yards and a cloud of dust. Nobody cares. 99 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: They're like, this is great, and then third quarter comes 100 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, those two yard rushes turned 101 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 1: into five eight yard rushes because you have Derrick Henry. 102 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 1: And so when you have the mindset from the offensive 103 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: coaches to the offensive line, to the running back to 104 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,679 Speaker 1: the quarterback, where you see two yards and no one says, 105 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: oh man, we didn't getting you know, a first down. 106 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: They're saying, all right, that's fine, we know what's gonna 107 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 1: happen in the second half. So you can do that, 108 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: but you have to be very, very committed. And then 109 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: on top of that, you obviously have to play good defense, 110 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: right because if the score gets out of black, then 111 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: the run game is moot. And so you know, if 112 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: you're gonna do that, you have to make sure that 113 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 1: everyone is on the same page. And that also means 114 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 1: defensively playing complimentary football. And then again, as a former linebacker, 115 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: what are some of the things an offense can do 116 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: to try to make sure defenses play more honest right 117 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 1: to respect other things, what are the counters that you 118 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: think the Giants can start throwing out there a little 119 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: bit more so, maybe less in the box load a 120 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: little bit when they're trying to get Barkley going. Well, 121 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: they did it against the Dallas Cowboys and that Thanksgiving game. 122 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 1: I love that they took a shot to Darius Slayton, 123 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: you know, got down to the one yard line. I 124 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: love when they start taking these shots too, because that 125 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: makes the defense, the secondary in particular, have to respect 126 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: the passing game. Um, so that's always gonna be something 127 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: that's a great counter. Two people stack in the box 128 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 1: where you say, you know what, fine, we'll load up 129 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: the box right. You'll have jumboat personnel, two tight ends 130 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,239 Speaker 1: in the game, play action and then start taking your shots. 131 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: And then you know, if you want to continue to 132 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: stack the box, then you have the zone read that 133 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones does, the run pass option that you can 134 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 1: do as well. But it goes back to my point 135 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: about the wide receivers. They have to beat man. Right. 136 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: If you're gonna get man coverage, you're gonna have the 137 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: middle field safety. That usually means that the comebacks, the 138 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: dig routes are gonna be open for you. You just 139 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: gotta beat man coverage. And if you can't do it, 140 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: then it's gonna be difficult. Yeah, And I think that 141 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: kind of brings us to Daniel Jones, right, there's an 142 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: evaluation process going on this year. Is a free agent 143 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 1: after the season, but the conditions around him this year 144 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: have not been great. A lot of injuries on the 145 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: offensive on you mentioned that when you were talking about 146 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: the run game, the receiver issues. Guys have trouble separating 147 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: and getting open. What are your thoughts on how Jones 148 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: has played this year and and kind of where he's 149 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: headed in his career. H Jones has been very efficient. 150 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: I like that he is taking the next step as 151 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: far as protecting the football. Uh, he's he's also just 152 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: throwing incompletions or you know, unfortunately trying to scramble or 153 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: take a sack as opposed to in prior years throwing 154 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: the football and then getting an interception. So I do 155 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: like that. What I would like to see more of 156 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: his anticipation, because you can throw a guy open right 157 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: Drew Brees. I was fortunate to play with him at 158 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: the New Orleans Saints, and there were times when a 159 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: guy would be covered, but you put it low in 160 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: away right where only the receiver can get it, and 161 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: now it's a completion or you know, an incompletion as 162 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: opposed to putting it trying to throw it in the 163 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: middle and then it becomes an interception or battered around 164 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: or something like that. Oh, and then going back to anticipation, 165 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: if you've got a good feel for someone that's about 166 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: to turn into their slant, their bi language is telling 167 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: you that the slant is coming. Well, throw it then 168 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: right throw it then so that as soon as they 169 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: turn the ball is on them where it should be. 170 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: And then now it's either a great catch completion or 171 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: it's gonna be incomplete because he dropped it. So, you 172 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: know though, that's the issue when why receivers can't get separation. 173 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: You're not afforded that luxury being a little late on 174 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: anticipating anticipating the throw, and I think that's where the 175 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: issue comes for Daniel Jones. Hey, Giant fans, go download 176 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: the Giants TV, the official Giant streaming. Apple brings original 177 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: video content, game highlights on demand and director Big Blue Fans. 178 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: Giant TV is Fear and Apple TV, Roku, Amazon, vir TV, 179 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: and the Giants Mobile app. Jonathan, let's jump to the 180 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball. What if you liked about 181 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,439 Speaker 1: the way Wins coordinated this thing. Injuries on defense too, 182 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 1: especially in the secondary, but they're holding their own and 183 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: they aren't giving up these big plays down the field. Yeah. 184 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: I like the combination of what Wayne Martindale has done 185 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: with the defensive line always forcing one on one matchups 186 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: for Dexter. Lawrence came on Thibodeaux, Uh did I say 187 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,079 Speaker 1: his name right, all right, good good. I don't want 188 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: to butcher his name there. Uh, and then I do 189 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: like that. Uh. The secondary, no matter who's in, they've 190 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 1: been coached very well on how they want to play 191 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 1: man coverage. You know. Sometimes you get corners that are 192 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: young or new or inexperienced, and then they get a 193 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: little scared and they get a little antsie, and they 194 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: have to understand it's okay if a guy catches his 195 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: pass on you for a first down, it's okay if 196 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: they get you know, one long game. You just gotta 197 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 1: understand you keep doing this over the course of the game, 198 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: and it's gonna be good positive for the defense. So 199 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 1: I think that he's really instilled the right mindset for 200 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 1: the secondary, understanding their role responsibility, and it's allowed for 201 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: the defensive front to get after. Yeah, I want to 202 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: get back to the front. But I think you made 203 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: a great point on the secondary that not a lot 204 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: of people have talked about, Jonathan. They play their technique properly, 205 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: Like you had a couple of plays last week when 206 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: the Giants weren't two men and they're playing the trail 207 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: technique and Darny Holmes doesn't commit that defensive pass interference 208 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: on Ceedee Lamb Right, he gets the ball up in 209 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: the air, Julian Love gets to pick, and it just 210 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: seems like they're playing these coverages the right way. And 211 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 1: we sold Baltimore last year right when they had injuries 212 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: in the secondary and Joe Burrow had that six touchdown 213 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: game and Jamaar Chases running all over the place. But 214 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: the Giants were down to their third, fourth, and fifth 215 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 1: corners last week against a pretty good Dallas offense and 216 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 1: they're not allowing those big plays. Obviously, you gotta give 217 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:18,719 Speaker 1: the players credit, but a lot of that's got to 218 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 1: be coaching right to make sure these guys are prepared 219 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: and ready to go in and are playing those techniques 220 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: the right way. Yeah, it's definitely a combination of both. 221 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: I think they did a great job. Coaching is execute 222 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: or articulating what they want done, and then the players 223 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 1: are executing it. And then also understand that Dak Prescott 224 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 1: was making some very nice throws, very accurate throws. Uh 225 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: you know, I remember the one to Gallop. He kind 226 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: of ran like a little dig route and then he 227 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: put it high, up and high only where Gallup could 228 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: get it right, And you know, you just gotta live 229 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: with those, right, Those are just good passes. So I 230 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: think that they continue to play tight coverage, it's gonna 231 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: allow for the D line to get more sacks. I 232 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 1: know they haven't gotten acts in the last couple of weeks, 233 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: but it's coming. Yeah, and you know you mentioned the front. 234 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:08,079 Speaker 1: I really think Dy've gotten Dexter Lawrence isolated on the 235 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 1: centers a lot and off the snap. These guys don't 236 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: have much of a chance here against the guy with 237 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: that type of size, power and athleticism. Yeah, Dexter Lawrence 238 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: is really coming into his own called I called it 239 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: two years ago, called a game. Two years ago, I 240 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 1: thought he was good. He wasn't at this level. Um, 241 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: and now watching him past couple of games, you know, 242 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: I think he's one of the best defensive tackles right now, 243 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: playing at a very very high level. He's shedding off 244 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 1: the blocks. Forget the sacks. I know he has five sacks, 245 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,679 Speaker 1: but it's really more important to see that he's gonna 246 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: start commanding a double team. Once you do that, you know, 247 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: world Joyster as far as now dictating what you want 248 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: to run defensively, yeah, and then throwing cav On Thibodeau, 249 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,839 Speaker 1: who I thought Jonathan had his best game of his 250 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 1: career against Dallas last week. He never got a sack, 251 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: but he not pressed out down a few times. I 252 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 1: thought he was in the backfield consistently. And I think, 253 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: you know, he's starting to get that burst back after 254 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: having that preseason knee injury, and he's looking like the 255 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: guy that they drafted out of Oregon. Yeah, you can 256 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 1: tell the explosiveness the athleticism that Cabon brings to the table. 257 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: And to your point, it's not always about sacks. As 258 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: long as the quarterback can feel your presence. The quarterback 259 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: then starts to mentally say, all right, I gotta get 260 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 1: rid of the ball a little bit quicker, right, And 261 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 1: that's what he's starting to do. You know, I had 262 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 1: just covered Joe try On show inca over for the 263 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: Bucks and it was the same thing. He has maybe 264 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: one or two sacks on the season, but he gets 265 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: so much pressure on the quarterback. It's you know, it's 266 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: not gonna show up in the stats, but it's equally 267 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 1: impressive to see a guy continually getting in the backfield. 268 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: And that's what Cabon did against it against the Cowboys 269 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: and expect him to do that against the Commanders, you know, 270 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 1: just from a defensive player perspective before we get to 271 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: the matchup against the Commanders. As a linebacker, how much 272 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: do you like winks philosophy where he wants his defense 273 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: to dictate the temple of the game and he wants 274 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,839 Speaker 1: what the defense does and what he decides to to 275 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: scheme up to dictate what the offense is gonna do. 276 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: Does that as a defensive player make you even more 277 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: excited to go out there and play your best football? 278 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: It definitely does. You love to at least have the 279 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: perception that you know the you're the last one holding 280 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: the chalk, right, And Martin Dale wants to do that, 281 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 1: and he puts that and steals that into the mindset 282 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: of the guys, so they go out and play accordingly. 283 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 1: Uh So, definitely would like that. Definitely love that mentality. 284 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 1: It's obviously helped and they know how to close out games. 285 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: So it's been good to see the defense being more 286 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: proactive as opposed to reactive, which has helped them. And 287 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,319 Speaker 1: now let's get to the matchup against the command There's 288 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: Jonathan has the call one o'clock MetLife Stadium on Fox 289 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:46,959 Speaker 1: make sure if you're not in the game, you check 290 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:48,079 Speaker 1: it out. But if you want to go to the game, 291 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: there are still some tickets available. It's a legacy game. 292 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: Jonathan is gonna be throwback end zones from the eighties 293 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: and nineties, the old school helmets that you watched growing up, 294 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: the old uniforms, all that stuff. They'll be a Penning giveaway. 295 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:00,080 Speaker 1: So if you want to go to the game, go 296 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: to Giants dot com slash tickets to to get your seat. 297 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: And this matchup Jonathan, this Washington front is special. Chase 298 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: Young hasn't even played yet this year. They got three 299 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,079 Speaker 1: guys with six plus sacks. Let's start with the tackles. 300 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: Do you think this is the best defensive tackle combination 301 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: of Jonathan Allen and Theron Pain in the NFL? Oh? 302 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't even think about that. I don't know. Yeah, 303 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: there they have to be. If they're not top three, 304 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: then you know they're gonna be top two. Yeah. The 305 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: Eagles are pretty good too, right with Hargraven Cox. That's 306 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: that's pretty good. Yeah. That that that's who I was thinking, 307 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: And off the top of my head, I can't think 308 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: of another duo that I would put there, So I 309 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: definitely put them top two, top three right now. Had 310 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: I called their game maybe like week two or week 311 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: three of the season and they were starting to come 312 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: into their own and now you can see that they're 313 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: really really good at working together. Yeah, and they have 314 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: different skill sets, right. Pains the powerful guy and Alan 315 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: he's just you isolate him on a guard lookout, they're 316 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: gonna have trouble blocking him. Yeah. Jonathan Allen reminds me 317 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: of Albert Haynesworth the way that he was really explosive, 318 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: big guy, powerful guy, and especially in the past game, 319 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: you can run a lot of d line stunts with 320 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: them because they're so focused on him. You can now 321 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: wrap Montest sweat underneath or vice versa. They have a 322 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: really really good combination going. That's why they have so 323 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: many sacks. You know, I think sweat flies under the radar, right, 324 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: they do have to chase on first. Overall, they have 325 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: the big tackles. He quietly has seven sacks. Off the 326 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: top of my head, I think eighteen quarterback hits something 327 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: like that. And you know he's not super bendy, but 328 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: his length, strength, he plays the run well. He's just 329 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: a really good all around defensive end, isn't he. Yeah, 330 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: he knows how to use his body. So to your point, 331 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: he's not trying to do all these crazy spin moves 332 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: and you know, all this stuff that some other defensive 333 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: ends can. He's really good with using his leverage. He 334 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: gets up underneath the offensive tackle, he long arms them, 335 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: and then he kept he keeps pressing the pocket. And then, 336 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: as you said about the run game, he can convert 337 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: from run to pass very very quickly, and that transition 338 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: is really what sets him apart. And then, obviously, as 339 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: we've mentioned, with the two defensive tackles, it's hard to 340 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: slide the protection his way, so you're almost guaranteeing a 341 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: one on one for him, a one on one for Alan, 342 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: a one on one for Pain or maybe a center 343 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: goes back his way. So you know, what, what are 344 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: you gonna do? Right? It's kind of like pick your poison. 345 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: When you put all three of them to one side. 346 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: It sounds like Chase Young is gonna play. How much 347 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: can you expect from him? How like twenties snaps? Maybe 348 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: what would be your expectation there? You know, honestly, no expectation. Uh, 349 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: it's let's hope he just stays healthy. To be quiet, honest, 350 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: you know, he's a tremendous athlete. He's a specimen. So 351 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: as when he gets out there, I'm really hoping, uh, 352 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: just to see him go out and not get hurt again, 353 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: not reaggurate that need and see how it goes. Yeah, 354 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 1: you mentioned that group in the pass ross. What can 355 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 1: the Giants do against that group in the run game. 356 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: They want to get up field, So could there be 357 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: some opportunities maybe with some trap something like that where 358 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: you can try to gash him as they run some 359 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: of those stunts, maybe on second along and you can 360 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,479 Speaker 1: catch him in some good spots to get Barkley going 361 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:24,959 Speaker 1: with some big plays in space. Yeah, you know the 362 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 1: trap influence trap. You know it can it can work, 363 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:31,879 Speaker 1: but it only works you know, two times, maybe three times, 364 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 1: and you know, defensive linemen they catch on. So I 365 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: would sprinkle that in. What I would really do is 366 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: start to really pound them with combo blocks, right and 367 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 1: and uh make sure that Duran Payne, Jonathan Allen, they're 368 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:51,640 Speaker 1: feeling the combo blocks. First down, second down, third down, 369 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:53,919 Speaker 1: sometimes if it's third in medium and yeah, you may 370 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: not get the first down that time, but you have 371 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: to slow these guys down, and then you can also 372 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,919 Speaker 1: start to work perimeter right, try to get these guys 373 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: running laterally, try to tire them out. You know. I 374 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: see a lot of teams do that with Aaron Donald 375 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,439 Speaker 1: where they'll throw a lot of these now screens to 376 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: the wide receivers, these little flip passes and stuff like 377 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: that too, the running back tight end, just to get 378 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: him running laterally. Then you go right back at him right. 379 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 1: And so you know, I Dabo can do a combination 380 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 1: of that, and of course you gotta convert on third 381 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: down and keep the drive going. Then you can start 382 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 1: to tire them out. You tire them out, then you 383 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: get right back to your base run game. Last thing 384 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,239 Speaker 1: on the Washington defense, what's been the difference with their 385 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: secondary Last year? I think they were last in the 386 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: league and third down defense. You know, they were giving 387 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 1: up a lot of easy throws. But they've been a 388 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:41,360 Speaker 1: lot better this year on their back end, haven't they. 389 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: They really have. And I credit Jack del Rio for 390 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 1: keeping the defense simple. Uh, they don't do a lot 391 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: of disguising. Uh. If they disguise, you know, it's kind 392 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 1: of like at the snap of the football they'll disguise 393 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: their coverage or rotate back in and out of the coverage, 394 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: and then you know the guys they have back their 395 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:03,959 Speaker 1: can curl Derek forres They've just been really sound. Uh 396 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: they're they're asked to do or excuse me, they they 397 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: do what they're asked to do, and they're not trying 398 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: to go above and beyond and get creative with a 399 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:15,120 Speaker 1: three coverage or with the quarters coverage. You know, they 400 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: do their job and because of that, you have the 401 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: two corners that are playing well. They they've been sound. 402 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,360 Speaker 1: It's being really good to see them improve from last 403 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 1: year this year on how they're working on their technique 404 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: and executing the defense very quickly. On their offense, I 405 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,679 Speaker 1: appreciate all the time, Jonathan awesome stuff. What is it 406 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 1: about telling Heinik that makes it work? You look at 407 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: the numbers, fine, you know he has some throwers on 408 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 1: the game. Okay, okay, great, but he just seems to 409 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,239 Speaker 1: have something going here where he makes the plays at 410 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: the right time. He's got a little bit of boxy 411 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 1: to him. What is about Heinik that has allowed him 412 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: to leave Washington on this winning streak. He doesn't take 413 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: all the negative plays, and in particular the sacks. When 414 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,880 Speaker 1: you eliminate all these sacks and you put continually put 415 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: your offense behind the chaine first, then long, second and 416 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: long third and long, it makes for a very very 417 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: tough game. Tough to call the game tough defensively because 418 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: of fuel position. It's just hard. And what he's done 419 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: is really cut down on the sacks, either throwing the 420 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: ball away or uh yeah, frankly, just throwing the ball away, 421 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 1: just getting out quicker. That's that's really what he's been doing. 422 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: So because of that, you can stay in even if 423 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: you're not ahead of the chains. Third and seven is 424 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: a lot better than third and seventeen. Right, Second and 425 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,120 Speaker 1: nine is a lot better than second and nineteen. And 426 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: this is what he's done, which has made the game 427 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:40,360 Speaker 1: flow better for the Commanders offensively and defensively because, as 428 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: I said, third and seven is a lot better in 429 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: third and seventeen. Those ten yards of fuel position, that's huge, 430 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: especially when you have a really good defense. And to 431 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: your point, you know, he made this point with the 432 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: Giants talking about committing to the run game. Washington's cool 433 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: with three yards to carry, like they're not busting big runs. Right, 434 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,439 Speaker 1: not Brian Robinson for three, Antonio Gibson for two, and 435 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:58,959 Speaker 1: then you're in third and five. They seem to be 436 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: fine just staying on schedule. Yeah, I look at a 437 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: lot of the offenses now around the league. If you 438 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,880 Speaker 1: don't have this, you know Bona fide uh, that Scott 439 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: type of quarterback, and you know even Aaron Rodgers and 440 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: Brady of struggle, they need to run games as well. 441 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: Most of the offenses they're okay with now three yards, 442 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: three yards, get in medium, third in medium, and then 443 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: you know, convert the first down. And because of that, 444 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 1: you give these running backs enough touches at some point 445 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,959 Speaker 1: in the game. They're athletic enough where they're gonna pop one, right, 446 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: and they're gonna pop it for ten fifteen if you're lucky, 447 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 1: thirty yards right. It's the same thing with Sakan. You 448 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 1: give him enough touches and at once, at some point 449 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: he's gonna pop one. Going back to the game I 450 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 1: called Cleveland gave the ball to Nick Chubb. I forget 451 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 1: twenty one, twent three times, whatever it was. The point 452 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 1: is that on one of those touches he broke for 453 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 1: twenty five yards. Now that completely changes the complexion of 454 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: the game. So when you get these offenses now and 455 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 1: really see offensive line, the wide receivers all comfortable with Okay, 456 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 1: we're gonna run the ball a lot, and okay, it's 457 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: not gonna work every time, but at some point it 458 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 1: will work, and that's going to change the game. It 459 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: does wonders for your team. Did you have a chance 460 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: to talk to Brian Robinson we did the game. He 461 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 1: just seems like a wonderful kid and just what a 462 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: great story coming back from that from that incident, I 463 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,199 Speaker 1: guess I'll call it in the off season. Yeah, I 464 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: haven't talked to him yet. We will probably talk to 465 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: him for the game on the field, But as you said, 466 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,120 Speaker 1: if there is ever a question about his toughness, I mean, look, 467 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: look what he just went through, right, So that tells 468 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 1: you all you need to know about the running back 469 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 1: and how he plays the game that way, right, Mentally tough, 470 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,719 Speaker 1: physically tough, and I can see why they wanted him 471 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,199 Speaker 1: to be the starter over Antonio Gibson. He has a 472 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: different presence about him when he's the running back and 473 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 1: they're they're kind of moving and flowing. You can see 474 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 1: why he was He should have been the starter back then. Finally, 475 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,919 Speaker 1: Terry mclauren. I feel like if this guy was in 476 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: an offense like the Olls or the Vikings, even he'd 477 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 1: be talked about, probably in the same conversation as you know, 478 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: the Digs is the Jeffersons. I mean, this is hard 479 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: to find something he doesn't do well. What's the biggest 480 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: challenge of Johnson having slowing him down? Well, the biggest 481 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: challenges he can beat Man covers all day long, and 482 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: he's a special talent in that regard, very savvy, understands 483 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: how to go against a defender's leverage. So I don't 484 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: know if the when you say what's the biggest challenge 485 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: is really going to be the defensive line getting to 486 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 1: Heineke before he can throw it to Terry, because I've 487 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: seen Terry beat man coverage on all corners and it's 488 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: not like the corners are bad, just that he's a 489 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: really good wide receiver. Jonathan, thank you so much for 490 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: the time. This was fantastic. We'll see at the stadium 491 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: on Sunday. Man have a great broadcast. Thanks John See 492 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: then that's former NFL linebacker and of course broadcaster for 493 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: the NFL and Fox Jonathan Vilma, here's the call. John's 494 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: The Commander is a midlife stadium one o'clock on Sunday. 495 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,160 Speaker 1: Make sure you go check out that broadcast if you're 496 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 1: not at the game and you don't want to listen 497 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: to our radio broadcast of course on w f A. 498 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,919 Speaker 1: And for Jonathan Wilma, I'm John Schmult. 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