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Speaker 3: All right, happy Wednesday, Welcome to Breaking Points, Emily.

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Speaker 4: How you doing doing great? Ryan biked here.

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Speaker 5: Everyone should know that I checked the temperature seventeen degrees

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Speaker 5: so this is a real climate warrior.

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Speaker 3: But it feels like forty five when you're on the bike.

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Speaker 4: On the bike, it feels like forty five. The temperature goes.

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Speaker 3: Up, it does, yeah, because you got your blood flowing.

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Speaker 3: We've got the Abraham Lincoln, which, by the way, it's

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Speaker 3: such an an indignity to the great Man that this

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Speaker 3: aircraft carrier that is on its way to Iran to

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Speaker 3: launch strikes on it is named after our greatest president,

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Speaker 3: going to be deployed for malicious purposes. It seems like

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Speaker 3: isn't the.

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Speaker 5: Bros Belt also over there, which is a much better

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's that one is little on the nose.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And in any event, the attack on Iran, which

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Speaker 3: you know, we're busy doing regime change elsewhere are you know,

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Speaker 3: We're now you know it, full steam ahead towards Iran.

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Speaker 4: Schedule is back on track.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of people felt like, oh, okay,

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Speaker 3: we're not going to get an Iran strike, a second

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Speaker 3: we're not going to attack them. But no, I think

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Speaker 3: you know, we're still going to do it.

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Speaker 5: We'll say, Trump is in Davos right now, so literally

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Speaker 5: as we're speaking, we're going to break down his big

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Speaker 5: speech at Davos. We're going to take you through some

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Speaker 5: of the reactions at Davos to what's happened over the

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Speaker 5: you know, last several days in regard to Greenland and Canada.

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Speaker 5: Mark Carney, Canadian Prime Minister, obviously gave a banger of

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Speaker 5: Definitely caught the attention of the entire chattering class, and

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Speaker 5: for some interesting reasons, because it's it was I think

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Speaker 3: An obituary for American hegemony is what he was trying

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So we're gonna break it down, and we also

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Speaker 4: It was good timing for the Carney speech, we'll put

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Trump knows how to play it well.

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Speaker 5: Speaking of Trump, he I was at the White House

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Speaker 3: Not a briefing, nothing brief about it.

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Speaker 4: It was a longing.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, it was. I don't even there are no words.

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Speaker 5: He ran down a list of the three hundred and

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Speaker 4: It was like two hours long.

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Speaker 3: Like, wait, you're going to do how many accomplishments?

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Speaker 5: and pool reports like this man just doesn't sleep. Actually

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Speaker 3: He left his Maga hat at home.

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Speaker 3: You can't speak to Davos without your Maga hat.

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Speaker 5: But anyway, we have a breakdown of all of that

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Speaker 5: new updates from Minneapolis. Zora Mamdani went on The View

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Speaker 5: used the word rupture to describe what's happened geopolitically. It

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Speaker 5: like rupture. So Trump obviously addressed Greenland, He addressed Canada,

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Speaker 5: He addressed all kinds of things that the White House

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Speaker 5: reason the White House is now tweeting about Gavin Newsom

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Speaker 5: watching from the cuckchair, because Gavin Newsom went to Davos

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Speaker 5: the room. So just a great morning all around. Let's

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Speaker 5: roll Donald Trump. First here on Greenland A one.

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Speaker 7: I have tremendous respect for both the people of Greenland

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Speaker 7: and the people of Denmark, tremendous respect. But every NATO

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Speaker 7: much greater than people even understand. I think they found

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Speaker 7: in World War two when Denmark fell to Germany after

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Speaker 6: So the United States was then compelled. We did it.

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Speaker 6: We felt an obligation to do it.

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Speaker 7: To send our own forces to hold the Greenland territory

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Speaker 7: They didn't have a chance of getting on it, and

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Speaker 7: which we won, we won it big without us. Right now,

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Speaker 7: you'd all be speaking German and little Japanese.

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Speaker 6: Perhaps After the war, we gave Greenland back to Denmark.

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Speaker 7: How stupid were we to do that? But we did it,

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Speaker 7: But we gave it back. But how ungrateful are they now?

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Speaker 7: So now our country and the world face much greater

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Speaker 7: risks than it did ever before, because of missiles, because

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Speaker 7: of nuclear because of weapons of warfare that I can't

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Speaker 7: even talk about. Two weeks ago, there saw weapons that nobody.

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Speaker 6: Ever heard of.

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Speaker 7: They weren't able to fire one shot at us. They said,

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Speaker 7: what happened? Everything was discombobulated.

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Speaker 6: They said, we've got them in.

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Speaker 7: Our sites, press the trigger and nothing happened. Then, for

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Speaker 7: so many years, we've never gotten anything except we pay

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Speaker 7: for NATO, and we've paid for many years until I

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Speaker 7: came along. We paid for, in my opinion, one hundred

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Speaker 7: percent of NATO because they weren't paying their bills. And

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Speaker 7: all we're asking for is to get Greenland, including right title.

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Speaker 6: And ownership, because you need the ownership to defend it.

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Speaker 6: You can't defend it on a lease.

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Speaker 7: Number one, legally, it's not defensible that way totally. And

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Speaker 7: number two, psychologically, who the hell wants to defend a

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Speaker 7: license agreement, or at least or know that they'd be

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Speaker 7: there for us. They're not there for us on Iceland

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Speaker 7: that I can tell you. I mean, our stock market

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Speaker 7: took the first dip yesterday because of Iceland. So Iceland's

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Speaker 7: already cost us a lot of money.

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Speaker 5: Now asked how far he would go to acquire Greenland

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Speaker 5: yesterday before he took off for this.

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Speaker 4: Flight I want to roll.

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Speaker 5: This was the long briefing, like two hours, where Trump

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Speaker 5: was going through all of the accomplishments of the first

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Speaker 5: three hundred and sixty five days.

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Speaker 4: He got asked how far he would go? This is

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Speaker 3: How far are you willing to go to acquire green.

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Speaker 5: You'll find out, okay, Ryan, So the last twenty four

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Speaker 5: a whirlwind, to say the least. Trump lands and Davos

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Speaker 3: It's just so thoroughly embarrassing, like as an American as

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Speaker 3: through a little bit more of this humiliation. Trump had

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Speaker 3: more to say than just.

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Speaker 7: That the consequences of such destructive policies have been starck,

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Speaker 7: including lower economic growth, lower standards of living, lower birth rates,

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Speaker 7: more socially disruptive migration, more vulnerability to hostile foreign adversaries,

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Speaker 7: and much smaller militaries. The United States cares greatly about

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Speaker 7: the people of Europe.

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Speaker 6: We really do.

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Speaker 7: I mean, look, I am derived from Europe, Scotland and

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Speaker 6: I want to see it do great.

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Speaker 7: That's why issues like energy, trade, immigration, and economic growth

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Speaker 7: must be central concerns to anyone who wants to see

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Speaker 7: a strong and united West. Because Europe and those countries

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Speaker 7: have to do their thing. They have to get out

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Speaker 6: It's horrible what they're doing to themselves.

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Speaker 7: They're destroying themselves as beautiful, beautiful places. We want strong allies,

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Speaker 7: not seriously weakened ones. We want Europe to be strong.

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Speaker 4: I am derived from Europe.

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Speaker 3: Yes, there you go, you just derived from Europe. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So one thing of this was just this weird joke

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Speaker 3: this guy's actually serious and disrupting the entire global order

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Speaker 3: and economy, which we'll talk about in a second, in

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Speaker 3: order to just switch from a lease to an ownership

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and there's an interesting I mean, as people are

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Speaker 5: And so he's trying to, like he said, he's on

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Speaker 3: Should we do the Canada one and then we can

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Speaker 7: For national and international security and to keep our very

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Speaker 9: It seems that every day we're reminded that we live

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Speaker 9: For decades, countries like Canada prospered under what we call

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Speaker 3: This bargain no longer works. Let me be direct.

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Speaker 9: We are in the midst of a rupture, not a transition.

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Speaker 5: Sort of arguing that, well, I mean, he this is

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Speaker 3: You can put up a twelve here, which contributed to

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Speaker 3: the interest rates going up. This morning, Bessent was asked

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Speaker 3: about this at a press conference in Davos. Let me

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Speaker 3: see if I can find his exact quote. Is incredible, yes, so,

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Speaker 3: Bessont said, quote Denmark's investment in US Treasury bonds, like

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Speaker 3: Denmark itself is irrelevant. That's that's It's like, okay, Well

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Speaker 3: maybe to you because you're like rich af Yeah, you're

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Speaker 3: a billionaire. You're not to buy a house or sell

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Speaker 3: a house. You're not struggling. You don't hear the American economy.

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Speaker 5: He did just sell his soybean form, so he's he

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Speaker 5: sold off his so he is he does he found.

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Speaker 5: He also said, by the way, I don't know if

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Speaker 5: you caught this, he was talking about Gavin Newsom. This

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Speaker 5: is a quote from Scott Bessnt this morning. I guess

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Speaker 5: it would be afternoon in Switzerland time, but he said, quote,

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Speaker 5: I think it's very very ironic that Newsom, who strikes

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Speaker 5: me as Patrick Bateman meets Sparkle beach Ken. Maybe the

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Speaker 5: only Californian who knows less about economics than Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 5: He's here this week with his billionaire sugar daddy Alex Soros.

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Speaker 5: The White House, as I mentioned, also proceeded on its

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Speaker 5: rapid response Twitter account to say that Newsome they posted

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Speaker 5: a picture of him watching Trump's speech in the back

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Speaker 5: of the room, was in the cuck corner chair.

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Speaker 3: Amazing boy Winter so Besant, who was telling you that

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Speaker 3: Denmark's purchase of treasuries is completely relevant at a five

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Speaker 3: he also delivered another nice little Marie Antoinette moment. Let's

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Speaker 3: roll this a five side.

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Speaker 10: We're going to give guidance at some point to see

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Speaker 10: what is a mom and pop that someone maybe your

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Speaker 10: parents for their retirement at about five ten twelve homes.

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Speaker 10: So we don't want to push the mom and pops out,

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Speaker 10: We just want to push everyone else.

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Speaker 3: So even when Trump is doing something populist and cool,

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Speaker 3: which is he's trying to push investors out of the

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Speaker 3: home buying market like black Rock and these others that

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Speaker 3: are coming in and trying to buy up all these homes,

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Speaker 3: they're like, well, how are you going to define this

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Speaker 3: best and says, well, you know your parents might own

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Speaker 3: five ten, twelve homes. They might, they might. You don't

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Speaker 3: want to push them out of the market. That's just

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Speaker 3: a mom and pop buying twelve homes for your retirement.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Also, wait, now, your parents are responsible for their kids retirement. Oh,

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Speaker 3: it's one thing like high school college to some extent retirement.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think what they're my assumption on that is

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Speaker 5: what they mean is at the Gen X and millennials

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Speaker 5: who are about to inherit property from boomers, that would

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Speaker 5: be a retirement nest egg because they don't own property.

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Speaker 5: And so if your retirement is tied up in a house,

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Speaker 5: not necessarily great financial planning.

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Speaker 4: But I assume that's what he was referring to.

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Speaker 3: So if you do own five, ten or twelve houses,

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Speaker 3: then you're going to be taken care of by besant.

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Speaker 3: Let's also roll a fourteen. Another cabinet member, Brooke Rollins,

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Speaker 3: was criticized for telling people they can like totally survive

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Speaker 3: just fine on a couple dollars a day. She went

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Speaker 3: back to it and says she did a bunch of

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Speaker 3: modeling and stands by it. Let's roll a fourteen here.

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Speaker 11: We had run almost a thousand simulations and between three

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Speaker 11: and four dollars is a fair number if you can

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Speaker 11: have access to that food. So just about an hour ago,

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Speaker 11: I saw new numbers that were run. A full day

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Speaker 11: meaning three full square meals and a snack is about

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Speaker 11: fifteen dollars and sixty four cents. Fifteen dollars and sixty

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Speaker 11: four cents.

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Speaker 6: That's all three.

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Speaker 4: Meals and a snack.

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Speaker 3: And a snack and a snack. I mean it's true.

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Speaker 3: Like if you go to Costco and you got the

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Speaker 3: massive bag of rice totally, now, I don't know who's

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Speaker 3: going to pay the Costco membership because that's practically a

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Speaker 3: dollar a day just for that, and you just ate

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Speaker 3: rice for three meals a day. Yeah, and your snack

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Speaker 3: would be the free samples in Costco. But yeah, it

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Speaker 3: doesn't work because you have to pay the membership. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 3: she's just cut a bunch of food stamps, so making

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Speaker 3: it even more difficult. So yeah, she wants to make

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Speaker 3: sure that people that the government, the administration wants to

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Speaker 3: make sure people who own twelve houses aren't unfairly penalized

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Speaker 3: by their their rule making. But as long as you

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Speaker 3: have fifteen bucks, then you can get you know, three

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Speaker 3: meals a day in a snack like, what on earth?

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Speaker 3: Kind of government?

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Speaker 4: Is this so interesting midterm strategy? Let's roll so good?

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Speaker 3: This works for them?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 5: This is so CNBC has the markets rebounding today. I

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Speaker 5: mean you can you can see that, but they say

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Speaker 5: they connect it to Trump telling everyone at Davos that

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Speaker 5: quote he would not use force to acquire Greenland, easing

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Speaker 5: a conc and that has rattled markets and cost a

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Speaker 5: flight from dollar based assets. Ray Dalio raised some eyebrows

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Speaker 5: with these comments from Davos that we wanted to roll

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Speaker 5: for everyone. Obviously Dahalio of Bridgewater, This is it's sort

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Speaker 5: of similar to the Carney clip that it's an interesting

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Speaker 5: You use the word seminal. I think that's a good

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Speaker 5: word for what Carney said. Here's Ray Dalio kind of

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Speaker 5: reacting to what's happened in the last week or so,

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Speaker 5: maybe even just the last forty eight hours. The headline

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Speaker 5: is going to be that the and this is the

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Speaker 5: one that c NBC used, quote the monetary order is

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Speaker 5: breaking down.

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Speaker 4: Throw the clip.

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Speaker 12: Let's step back from the sensational and be clear about

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Speaker 12: what I mean. The monetary order is breaking down? Okay,

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Speaker 12: what I mean by the monetary order is that fiat

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Speaker 12: currencies as and dead as a storehold of wealth is

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Speaker 12: not being held by central banks in the same way, and.

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Speaker 6: That there was a change.

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Speaker 12: The biggest market to move last year was the gold market,

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Speaker 12: far better than the tech markets and so on, and

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Speaker 12: the US markets underperformed foreign markets because of the fact

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Speaker 12: you could see it in the numbers of the central

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Speaker 12: banks and so on. So let's just look at the

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Speaker 12: fact that on the other side of trade deficits and

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Speaker 12: trade wars are capital and capital wars and so as.

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Speaker 12: We're looking at that, and you reported what the stock

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Speaker 12: market and so on, but you didn't report that the

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Speaker 12: gold market is also up three. But I'm saying is

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Speaker 12: you look at what is happening and why it's happening

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Speaker 12: and who's buying it. So let's just take a moment

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Speaker 12: on that capital war issue. Okay, we know that both

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Speaker 12: the holders of US stollar denominated debt at which is money,

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Speaker 12: and those who need it the United States are worried

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Speaker 12: about each other, right, So if you have other countries

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Speaker 12: who are holding it and they're worried about each other

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Speaker 12: and we're producing a lot of it, that's a big issue, right,

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Speaker 12: So you have to explain what is going on with

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Speaker 12: Fiat currencies generally speaking. And now if you take the conflicts,

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Speaker 12: you can't ignore the possibility the capital wars. In other words,

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Speaker 12: maybe there's not the same inclination to buy US debt

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Speaker 12: and so what we at least need to talk about

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Speaker 12: those possibilities and find out who is buying and selling

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Speaker 12: what that is behind these market.

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Speaker 4: Movements, right, And that's basically what you were saying.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, so we're entering it's going to be

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Speaker 3: you know, what's the Chinese proverb, may you live in

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Speaker 3: interesting times? Yes, getting that these are going to be

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Speaker 3: these are going to be interesting times. This again, the

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Speaker 3: US chose the time of this fight in a and

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Speaker 3: I am quite skeptical that we are prepared for it.

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Speaker 4: I just want to say, these people all suck. I

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Speaker 4: mean they all suck. Everyone sucks.

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Speaker 5: Every part of this sucks, and it's the reason they

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Speaker 5: don't have them moral I'm sorry, I just don't. I

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Speaker 5: can't give moral high ground to Mark Carney and Gavin

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Speaker 5: Newsom on this, or to a lot of Trump's critics

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Speaker 5: on this. I don't think anybody has the moral high

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Speaker 5: ground because the reason we know this, but the reason

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump is president of the United States again is

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Speaker 5: that the system is not working. This is not working

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Speaker 5: for average Americans. If you ask people in Canada, that

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Speaker 5: probably tell you the same thing. You ask people in

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Speaker 5: the UK, they'll tell you the system isn't working for

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Speaker 5: average Brits. It's all broken and they fucking broke it.

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Speaker 5: These people broke it and now they're though they want

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Speaker 5: us to trust them to fix it, and we don't

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Speaker 5: really have any other option.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I started in politics fighting against globalization. Yeah, in

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Speaker 3: the late nineteen nineties, early two thousands, I didn't know

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Speaker 3: that Donald Trump would be the ally that would take

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Speaker 3: us into the castle and deliver us this victory.

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Speaker 4: Yes, it tastes so sweet, doesn't it sure does.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, disaster disaster when we I mean, every Davos feels

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Speaker 5: the same, It feels like the exact same thing. But

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Speaker 5: this one will probably if you're if you're looking for

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Speaker 5: turning point moments in the history of Davos, the extent

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Speaker 5: will remember this one as something on its own. It's

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Speaker 5: probably as I think Carney is right, and Trump would

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Speaker 5: probably agree with him, that this is a moment of

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Speaker 5: rupture and that this is a we've entered a new era,

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Speaker 5: which we probably arguably entered it in twenty sixteen, but

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Speaker 5: maybe not to your point that Trump didn't have the

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Speaker 5: same power and will that he seems.

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Speaker 4: To have now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the opponents of globalization, we're arguing that the

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Speaker 3: chief problems with it was that it was driving down

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Speaker 3: wages for people all over the world, like the race

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Speaker 3: to the bottom, when when it came to breaking unions

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Speaker 3: hurt the workers in third world countries, and then it

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Speaker 3: also hurt the middle class back in the United States.

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Speaker 3: It was undermining democracy and sovereignty, that these globalized institutions

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Speaker 3: were unaccountable to regular people, and also it was destroying

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Speaker 3: the planet on which we rest. So I'm not so

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Speaker 3: sure that Trump holds any of those values, whether it

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Speaker 3: comes to dignity for workers, sovereignty for countries, or respect

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Speaker 3: for the planet. So, you know, Trump may have defeated globalization,

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Speaker 3: but what replaces it could be a much darker set

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Speaker 3: of forces.

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Speaker 4: We'll be covering all of it in near future.

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Speaker 5: Will Let's turn to Donald Trump marking his first year

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Speaker 5: back in office and take.

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Speaker 4: A look at the polling.

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Speaker 5: We mentioned this earlier, but Donald Trump gave a Ryan

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Speaker 5: was referring to it as a longing, because it's not.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't a briefing. It was a longing at the

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Speaker 4: White House yesterday. I was there for this.

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump announced that the last minute the White House,

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Speaker 5: and as the last minute, that he would be joining

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Speaker 5: the press briefing that day. And let's just say it

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Speaker 5: was all Donald Trump for what like two hours. It

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Speaker 5: went on forever. He was reading off a list of

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Speaker 5: three hundred and sixty five accomplishments that the White House

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Speaker 5: handed out to reporters ahead of time, a stapled kind

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Speaker 5: of packet of three hundred and sixty five accomplishments for

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Speaker 5: three hundred and sixty five days. Obviously, Trump was there

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Speaker 5: to mark his for one year anniversary back in office.

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Speaker 5: Was January twentieth, so it was exactly year to the

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Speaker 5: day since his second inauguration. And friend of the show

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Speaker 5: Philip Wegman from Real Clear Politics got this question, and

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Speaker 5: let's take a listen.

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Speaker 1: You promised during your second au girl, to always put

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Speaker 1: America first.

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Speaker 6: I'm curious, how.

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Speaker 1: Would you winning the Nobel Peace Prize improve the lives

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Speaker 1: of average, everyday Americans?

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Speaker 3: Why is this pricely so important?

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Speaker 7: It wouldn't improve the lives of any What improved the

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Speaker 7: lives of people are people that are living. I saved

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Speaker 7: probably tens of millions of lives in the wars.

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Speaker 6: You know, if you add up the numbers.

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Speaker 7: Just just if you look at if you look at

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Speaker 7: any one of those wars, you're talking about millions of people.

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Speaker 6: You multiply times eight.

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Speaker 7: But when you look at India and Pakistan, that could

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Speaker 7: have been ten, fifteen, twenty million people could have been

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Speaker 7: more than that.

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Speaker 6: So I saved millions of people. So that to me

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Speaker 6: is the big thing.

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Speaker 4: So that question comes amidst polling.

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Speaker 5: We can put the CNBC he or this NBC News

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Speaker 5: tearshet up on the screen that shows Don Trump actually

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Speaker 5: struggling on marks from voters when it comes to the economy.

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Speaker 4: So just reading a little bit from this report quote.

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Speaker 5: Trump closed out his first term in twenty twenty with

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Speaker 5: majorities approving of how he handled the economy, even as

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Speaker 5: he went on to lose the election of Biden.

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Speaker 4: But they continue to say.

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Speaker 5: During the first few months of Trump's current term, his

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Speaker 5: approval rating on the economy hovered in the mid forties,

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Speaker 5: though it has since dropped several points. This piece notes

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Speaker 5: in AP at NORC survey conducted January eight through eleven

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Speaker 5: found thirty seven percent of Americans approve of how Trump

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Speaker 5: is handling the economy, while a Reuter's ZIPSO survey conducted

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Speaker 5: January twelve through thirteen found his economic approval rating at

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Speaker 5: thirty four percent, while thirty percent approved of his handling

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Speaker 5: of inflation. The Wall Street Journal found those ratings slightly higher,

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Speaker 5: forty four percent approval on the economy and forty one

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Speaker 5: percent on inflation and rising prices.

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't even call that slightly higher.

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Speaker 5: That's a pretty big difference between the Journal, which is

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Speaker 5: saying forty four percent approval on the economy in thirty

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Speaker 5: four from Reuters thirty seven from AP. That's a pretty

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Speaker 5: big gap. It seems like the Journal poll might be

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Speaker 5: the outlier on that Ryan. It's where Republicans think he's

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Speaker 5: most vulnerable, where they think they're most vulnerable going into

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Speaker 5: the midterm cycle.

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Speaker 4: Is that again?

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Speaker 5: He's out at Davos today, He's talking about Greenland, he's

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Speaker 5: talking about Canada, and they are begging the White House

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Speaker 5: to focus on quote affordability, which Trump what is he

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Speaker 5: called now a hoax.

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Speaker 4: They're begging.

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Speaker 5: They're doing everything they can to try to get the

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Speaker 5: White House's attention on the economy. And that's actually why

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Speaker 5: Trump is going to Davos. He was supposed to be

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Speaker 5: giving a big speech on the economy, but now it's

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Speaker 5: going to be heavily dominated by Greenland, the big picture,

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Speaker 5: abstract question of hegemony and war.

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Speaker 3: And we're going to talk about this in the next segment.

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Speaker 3: But the assault on Greenland is hurting the American economy.

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Speaker 3: It is the thing that, combined with trying to prosecute

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Speaker 3: the Fed chair, that is driving the stock market sell

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Speaker 3: off and driving mortgage rates up, driving interest rates up,

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Speaker 3: driving uncertainty in the economy. We'll show some charts. We

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Speaker 3: can get into that later. So it's not just that

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Speaker 3: people are hurting and he's refusing to focus on their

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Speaker 3: the economic pain that they're feeling and trying to make

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Speaker 3: it better. It's not just that, it's that the adventures

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Speaker 3: that he's having around the world are making it even worse.

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Speaker 3: Sod so like the whole thing feeds into itself and

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Speaker 3: then all day long we're like, you know, bracing for

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Speaker 3: the next human rights abuse to come out of Minneapolis

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Speaker 3: or now now they're in Portland and Lewiston, Maine. Because

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Speaker 3: that's what the whole country was demanding that we do.

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Speaker 3: It send ice into Maine to start rounding people up.

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Speaker 3: And so we're just expecting to see like people getting

726
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Speaker 3: dragged out of their cars, a woman shot in Minneapolis,

727
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Speaker 3: like instead of what he said he was going to

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Speaker 3: do when he was elected, which is get prices down.

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Speaker 3: I guess that's what he said he was going to do.

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Speaker 6: Well.

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Speaker 5: Actually, on that note, let's put these immigration pull numbers

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Speaker 5: up on the screen before this is to the point

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Speaker 5: that Ryan was just making. More from this NBC report,

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Speaker 5: they say Trump's aggressive promises and immigration and border security

735
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Speaker 5: where a centerpiece of his campaign too, but Americans broad

736
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Speaker 5: ratings on his handling of immigration in particular have declined

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Speaker 5: since he took office. Pulling last month from Fox and AP,

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Speaker 5: Nork still found Trump with a slim majority approval rating

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Speaker 5: on border security, but he fares worse when respondents are

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Speaker 5: asked about immigration as a separate issue. And right to

741
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Speaker 5: those of us who follow this and probably a lot

742
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Speaker 5: of our listeners and viewers, what is happening in Minneapolis

743
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Speaker 5: and cities around the country, and the Trump administration's immigration

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Speaker 5: crackdown is not exactly surprising. I mean, I won't I'm

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Speaker 5: not surprised at all by what we're seeing. But if

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Speaker 5: you heard Donald Trump out on the campaign trail talking

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Speaker 5: about mass deportations and just returning to some border security

748
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Speaker 5: and the other option is Kamala Harris and immigration is

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Speaker 5: something you care about, it might not have been obvious

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Speaker 5: that immigrant, his approach the immigration issue was going to

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Speaker 5: look like this exactly that it was going to be.

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Speaker 5: And so I think you know to the extent that

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Speaker 5: he's struggling on this. Here's NBC News writs quote. Trump's

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Speaker 5: approval on immigration across a handful of polls conducted by

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Speaker 5: CBSU GO, Fox's a quidipek in the final month of

756
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Speaker 5: twenty twenty five came in around the mid forties, so

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Speaker 5: higher than the economy well. The Wall Street Journal poll

758
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Speaker 5: came in at forty eight percent, higher again, and early

759
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Speaker 5: January polling from CNN and AP NORK conducted largely after

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Speaker 5: an ICE officer fatally shot a woman in Minneapolis, found

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Speaker 5: Trump's approval ratings on immigration at forty two percent and

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Speaker 5: thirty eight percent, respectively, But he was hanging over that

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Speaker 5: fifty percent mark a lot of points during the year prior,

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Speaker 5: and so it's a little bit of a slump right

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Speaker 5: now for him. And I wonder if that's the explanation

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Speaker 5: that there's an expectation versus reality gap of people being

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Speaker 5: uncomfortable with what the enforcement level looks like from the

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Speaker 5: Trump administration.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think this is one of those shocking

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Speaker 3: versus surprising things because I had to have the privilege

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Speaker 3: of getting to be on this show. I was getting

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Speaker 3: my news about what Trump was going to do from

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Speaker 3: you and Sager, and so not surprised, and you know,

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Speaker 3: watch his rallies and he talks a lot about immigration,

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Speaker 3: and so I'm not surprised that he's doing this crackdown.

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Speaker 3: The way that they're carrying out is still shocking, even

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Speaker 3: if you even if you expect it to come, Like

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Speaker 3: just to see these thugs roaming American streets behaving the

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Speaker 3: way they are is just shocking, shocking to the American conscience.

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Speaker 3: His papers Please mentality being brought from Germany over to

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Speaker 3: over to the United States and being foisted on lots

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Speaker 3: of American citizens, it's just shocking. So it makes sense

783
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Speaker 3: though when people say, well, I approve of his handling

784
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Speaker 3: of the border because like the border is like secure,

785
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Speaker 3: like we're not We're not seeing like the waves of

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Speaker 3: people come across like we did in the Biden administration.

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Speaker 3: But oh, immigration overall, this this thing where you've got

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Speaker 3: these masked ICE agents thoroughly disrespecting the Bill of Rights,

789
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Speaker 3: the thing that you know, the Right even itself was

790
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Speaker 3: warning about for decades. So we're going to have these

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Speaker 3: armed federal agents that are going to go around asking

792
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Speaker 3: you for your papers and disrespecting your civil liberties like that,

793
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Speaker 3: that combined with the you can you can't buy a

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Speaker 3: home prices aren't coming down, you know, like that I

795
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Speaker 3: think is contributing to his like extraordinary unpopularity.

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Speaker 5: So speaking of ICE in particular, NBC notes that quote

797
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Speaker 5: pulling from Quinnipiac found fifty seven percent of registered voters

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Speaker 5: disapproved of how ICE is enforcing immigration laws broadly, So

799
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Speaker 5: that's a higher number than one you're asking about Trump.

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Speaker 5: And CNN found that fifty one percent of adults said

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Speaker 5: ICE enforcement is making American cities less safe. Well, thirty

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Speaker 5: one percent said the enforcement is making cities safer.

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Speaker 3: So pretty hard to get a plus twenty on any

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Speaker 3: contentious issue in the United States.

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Speaker 5: Well, and I'll actually add, in a country that is

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Speaker 5: fairly supportive both of legal immigration but also of enforcement,

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Speaker 5: right is support of in the abstract at least of

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Speaker 5: mass deportations. That actually, I think is one of the

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Speaker 5: things that media folks in DC were surprised over the

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Speaker 5: last year or two, especially during the campaign season. You'll

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Speaker 5: remember this to see showing up in polls a majority

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Speaker 5: of Americans saying, yeah, mass deportations, we do support mass deportations.

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Speaker 5: Not surprising if you look at the numbers of the

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Speaker 5: largest surge and immigration since Ellis Island. As David Lee

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Speaker 5: and Hurt wrote at The New York Times, that you're

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Speaker 5: going to get a response like that from the public.

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Speaker 5: But to see to when you ask about ice in particular,

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Speaker 5: this was a January poll too. It wasn't a December pool,

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Speaker 5: so January as all of this is going on January thirteenth.

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Speaker 5: That's a question that Republicans in purple districts, and those

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Speaker 5: are the ones that are on the bubble of some

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Speaker 5: of them, even if they're going to run again. But

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Speaker 5: those are the Republicans that are going to get a

824
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Speaker 5: whole lot of questions about this sort of thing. And

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Speaker 5: to the point, I mean, I was watching Trump's entrew

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Speaker 5: with Katie Pavlich on News Nation last night that he

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Speaker 5: wants to be remembered as a great president. That's if

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Speaker 5: you have already fifty seven percent of voter saying they

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Speaker 5: disapprove of how Ice is enforcing immigration laws, you're leaning

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Speaker 5: into that.

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Speaker 4: That's definitely legacy stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's without and I have time with this before.

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Speaker 3: That's without a serious external crisis hitting him. You can

834
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Speaker 3: sure know that the California fires kind of started before

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Speaker 3: he was president. I wouldn't even count those. Right, We're

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Speaker 3: about to get an ice storm all across the southeast,

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Speaker 3: which could be the like basically the first major external

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Speaker 3: crisis hitting him. He hasn't he hasn't really had. If

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Speaker 3: you go through the history of the presidents, you get,

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Speaker 3: like you know, George W. Bush, you got Katrina or

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Speaker 3: nine to eleven, these external shocks that kind of you

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Speaker 3: then either have you respond to them and you are

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Speaker 3: heralded for your response, or you or you break in

844
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Speaker 3: the face of them, or you know, it exposes some

845
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Speaker 3: of the problems that you like that are inherent in

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Speaker 3: in your approach to the presidency. He hasn't had any

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Speaker 3: of that. He's had stable prices, He's had an unemployment

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Speaker 3: rate that was that was declining, coming in a fairly

849
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Speaker 3: strong economy that by just giving body blow after body

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Speaker 3: blow to it with his tariffs are on, tariffs are

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Speaker 3: off of prosecuting the Fed. I'm doing this like he

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Speaker 3: has like single handedly rattled a decent economy. But otherwise

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Speaker 3: there hasn't he like the only external shock has been

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Speaker 3: Trump himself. And you know, we'll see how the ice

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Speaker 3: storm unfolds. Maybe that will end up being you know,

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Speaker 3: catastrophic enough to get his attention, but probably not.

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Speaker 5: We have actually his foreign policy numbers as well. We

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Speaker 5: can put B five up on the screen. This is

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Speaker 5: more from that NBC report, which just took a look

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Speaker 5: at all of the recent polling. Was a very helpful

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Speaker 5: thing to do as we hit the one year mark.

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Speaker 5: Overall quote has approval rating on foreign policy has hybrid

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Speaker 5: around forty percent in recent polling, a slight decline from

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Speaker 5: the mid forties at the start of his term. More broadly,

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Speaker 5: a late OCTOBERNBC News poll found that fifty three percent

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Speaker 5: of registered voters said as administration has fallen short of

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Speaker 5: their expectations on foreign policy, well forty four percent said

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Speaker 5: it's lived up to expectations, and a new CNN poll

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Speaker 5: found fifty seven percent of adults think that Trump's foreign

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Speaker 5: policy decisions have hurt America's standing in the world, while

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Speaker 5: thirty one percent said they've helped. Now, Ryan, I remember

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Speaker 5: a lot in the first Trump term, polling going one direction,

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Speaker 5: media narratives going in one direction, Russia being a good example,

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Speaker 5: immigration actually being another really good example. This feels very

875
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Speaker 5: similar to what happened when the kids in Cage's narrative exploded.

876
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Speaker 5: What that was like the summer of twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen,

877
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Speaker 5: somewmer around there, and what happening, or what at least

878
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Speaker 5: what ended up happening.

879
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Speaker 6: Then.

880
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Speaker 5: Obviously his term ended with COVID, but his approval ratings

881
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Speaker 5: before COVID hit the economy was pretty strong.

882
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Speaker 4: His approval ratings.

883
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Speaker 5: Were okay, And it shouldn't be taken as licensed by

884
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Speaker 5: Democrats to go back. And it's interesting because you're seeing

885
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Speaker 5: the whole abolish ice and you and I disagree on this,

886
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Speaker 5: but you're seeing zoa Mumdanni. We have this later in

887
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Speaker 5: the show, him talking about abolish Ice, and it's not

888
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 5: just about immigration, it's about issues across the board. He

889
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Speaker 5: benefits a lot from the reaction from Democrats. It's not

890
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Speaker 5: this polling isn't an approval rating, Like disapproving with Trump

891
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Speaker 5: doesn't disapproving of Trump doesn't equate to approving of a

892
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Speaker 5: particular dem policy or a particular reaction.

893
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Speaker 3: Well, see, it might end up being different this time

894
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 3: because in twenty eighteen, there was kids in cages and

895
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Speaker 3: the kids were not being kids were being treated terribly,

896
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Speaker 3: and there was this child separation policy that was new.

897
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Speaker 3: Obama had put families in cages, had it didn't have

898
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Speaker 3: a child separation policy, and we hit Obama for it.

899
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Speaker 3: So don't get out of the get get out of

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Speaker 3: here with.

901
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Speaker 4: Your media at large, I would say, did.

902
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Speaker 3: Not exactly media large, yes, but me, you guys count

903
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Speaker 3: on this guy and ya having boats. We were we

904
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Speaker 3: like worked with some brick part reporters at the time

905
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Speaker 3: because Breitbart at the time not a fan of the

906
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Speaker 3: way that the immigrants migrants were being treated down on

907
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Speaker 3: the border. They've kind of dropped some of that coverage

908
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Speaker 3: since then. But so at the time, the abolish Ice

909
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 3: movement was a kind of way to try to take

910
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Speaker 3: Trump's entire immigration policy and symbolize it into the entity

911
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Speaker 3: of ICE and then focus your ire on ICE. Today.

912
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Speaker 3: When they say abolish ICE, they mean it quite literally

913
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Speaker 3: that it is a rogue agency that is whose agents

914
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Speaker 3: are doing terrible things on the streets and it needs

915
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Speaker 3: to be broken up. And it's enforcement mechanisms distributed to

916
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Speaker 3: agencies that are not rogue. So it's gone from symbolic

917
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Speaker 3: to like literal like people. So when and now when

918
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Speaker 3: you poll, yeah, should you abolishized American people? It's very

919
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Speaker 3: close and it's within the margin of error, but it's

920
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Speaker 3: gone up. There's a plurality at least that say yes,

921
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 3: actually abolish ICE and Democrats.

922
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Speaker 5: It's increasing with Democrats as well. But this is sort

923
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Speaker 5: of exactly it's a majority of Democrats. Yeah, but this

924
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Speaker 5: is exactly kind of what I was like remembering back

925
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Speaker 5: from Trump One is that it's similar to mass deportations.

926
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Speaker 5: So you say you want mass deportations, and then here's

927
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Speaker 5: what mass deportations look like in practice from the Trump administration.

928
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Speaker 5: And people start disapproving of as handling of immigration. And

929
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Speaker 5: then if your Dems you say, okay, we have support

930
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Speaker 5: for from our party, there's a plurality of Americans for

931
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 5: abolish ICE. Here's what abolish ICE looks like in practice,

932
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Speaker 5: or here's what from the first term, we have support

933
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Speaker 5: for ending Trump's cruel and humane immigration policy. And here's

934
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Speaker 5: what it looks like in practice. It looks like the

935
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Speaker 5: Biden administration immigration policy.

936
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Speaker 4: That's what I.

937
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Speaker 5: Was saying, is that the tug of war there is

938
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Speaker 5: it's not and I know Dems are kind of coping

939
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Speaker 5: with that right now. And Third Way is out there

940
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 5: upset about the hashtag abolish Ice. But the politics and

941
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Speaker 5: the policy are obviously sometimes separate.

942
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Speaker 3: A key difference here. Trump and ICE have lost. The

943
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Speaker 3: cops in Minnesota, like, sit down, buckle up, because this

944
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 3: is an utterly striking press conference from police chiefs in

945
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Speaker 3: Minnesota telling Ice, well, listen to them.

946
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Speaker 4: Yeah, let's get to this.

947
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Speaker 13: Recently, as the last two weeks, we as law enforcement

948
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Speaker 13: community have been receiving endless complaints about civil rights violations

949
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Speaker 13: and our streets from US citizens. What we're hearing is

950
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Speaker 13: they're being stopped in traffic stops or on the street

951
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Speaker 13: with no cause and being forced to demand paperwork to

952
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Speaker 13: determine if they are here legally. As this went on

953
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Speaker 13: over the past two weeks, we started hearing from our

954
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Speaker 13: police officers the same complaints as they fell victim to

955
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Speaker 13: this while off duty. Every one of these individuals is

956
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Speaker 13: a person of color who has had this happen to them.

957
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Speaker 13: In Brooklyn Park. One particular officer that shared her story

958
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Speaker 13: with me was stopped as she passed ice going down

959
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Speaker 13: the roadway. When they boxed her in. They demanded her paperwork,

960
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 13: of which she's a US citizen and clearly would not

961
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Speaker 13: have any paperwork. When she became concerned about the rhetoric

962
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Speaker 13: and the way she was being treated, she pulled out

963
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Speaker 13: her phone and an attempt to record the incident. The

964
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Speaker 13: phone was knocked out of her hands prevented her from

965
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Speaker 13: recording it. The officer had their guns drawn during this interaction,

966
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Speaker 13: and after the officer became so concerned, they were forced

967
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Speaker 13: to identify themselves as a brooken pork police officer in

968
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Speaker 13: hopes of slowing the incident and de escalating the incident down.

969
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Speaker 13: The agents then immediately left after hearing this, making no

970
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 13: other comments, no other apologies, just got in their vehicles

971
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 13: and left. I wish I could tell you that this

972
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Speaker 13: was an isolated instant. In fact, many of the chiefs

973
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Speaker 13: standing behind me have similar instants with their off duty officers.

974
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Speaker 6: If it is.

975
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 13: Happening to our officers, it pains me to think how

976
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 13: many of our community members are falling victim to this

977
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 13: every day.

978
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Speaker 3: And that last line, I think is really important that

979
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Speaker 3: police chief found empathy with the citizens and the everyday

980
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Speaker 3: people of the area said he said, If imagine if

981
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 3: it's happening to us cops, God only knows what they're

982
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 3: doing to regular people. Well, we do know, because people

983
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 3: like Will Stancel and so many others are out there

984
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 3: filming it letting us know.

985
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 5: Okay, people like Will's stancil. So to be clear, this

986
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 5: is three in law enforcement officers. You saw them on

987
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Speaker 5: your screen. This is the chief of the Brooklyn Park

988
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 5: Police Department, the Saint Paul Police chief, and then also

989
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 5: the Hennepin County sheriff. So that's who you saw on

990
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 5: the screen just now, and that's who you realized.

991
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 3: A big dogs in that area.

992
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 4: This is you know, you heard this quote.

993
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 5: If it is happening to our officers, it pains me

994
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 5: to think of how many of our community members are

995
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 5: falling victim to this every.

996
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 4: Day it has to stop.

997
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 5: And they go on at one point to say that

998
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 5: they don't even necessarily want ICE gone out of the city,

999
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 5: they just want to find I think the quote is

1000
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 5: common ground.

1001
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. They started that press commons. We didn't play

1002
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 3: this part. They started by saying, we're all for what

1003
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 3: ICE is doing. We have had respectful, collaborative working relationships

1004
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 3: with ICE in the past.

1005
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 4: Although that's tougher if you're the Hunnaping County sheriff.

1006
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 3: Because yeah, so there are sanctuary policies that prevent them

1007
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 3: from uh turning over nonviolent undocumented people to ICE, but

1008
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 3: they're allowed to work together on you know, with violent

1009
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 3: criminals who are undocumented, uh and whatever you want to say,

1010
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 3: Like these are these are cops who are saying that,

1011
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 3: like we look, we have a lot of respect for ICE.

1012
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 3: We were not against the idea of immigration enforcement. But

1013
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 3: there's a way to go about it, and there's a

1014
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 3: way not to go about it, and you're doing the

1015
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 3: not the way to go about it. Watching ICE go

1016
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:47,399
Speaker 3: around brutalizing people on an hourly basis has done more

1017
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:52,240
Speaker 3: to I think, lift the public opinion of local police

1018
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 3: forces than anything in decades. People are like, oh wow, Like, okay,

1019
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 3: I'm not here. I'm not going to be out of

1020
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 3: here marching, you know, for our police. But they're downright civilized.

1021
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,839
Speaker 3: It creates a contrast, yes, like wow, it turns out

1022
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 3: it can be a lot worse.

1023
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 5: So let's look at Promila Giapaul, who says posted this

1024
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 5: Washington Post article quote two men and niced attention say

1025
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 5: they saw guards kill a fellow detainee. Now the Trump

1026
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 5: administration is trying to deport the witnesses. This looks a

1027
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 5: lot like a cover up. We need an independent investigation.

1028
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 12: Now.

1029
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 5: That's from Representative Giapaul. The piece is from the Washington Post.

1030
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 5: Ran It's an interesting story from the Post.

1031
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 12: Uh.

1032
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 5: The allegations are that Heraldo Luna's campos.

1033
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 3: At this what's the guy we covered last week?

1034
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, and what's this detention facility east Montana? It's not

1035
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 5: actually in Montana, right, but that he quote I'm reading

1036
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 5: this was engaged in a struggle with guards before his death.

1037
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 4: Flores.

1038
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 5: So this is Santos Jeses Flores, who is one of

1039
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Speaker 5: the witnesses Giapaul's referring to and in her post on

1040
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Speaker 5: X quote claim peace all guards choking Luna's compos to death.

1041
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 3: The story is interesting, sounds impossible because according to DHS,

1042
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 3: he was trying to commit suicide, right, that's what they are,

1043
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 3: and DHS officers intervened to try to save his life.

1044
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 3: Unfortunately they were unsuccessful and he committed suicide. So it

1045
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Speaker 3: couldn't be that there are witnesses that are telling a

1046
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Speaker 3: different story in the DHS, because DHS, whatever you want

1047
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 3: to say about them, they are at least honest narrators

1048
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 3: of their own actions.

1049
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 4: Right, And one interesting point here is that's sarcasm.

1050
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 5: But one point is he the witnesses are saying, he

1051
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 5: was claiming he needed medication, says he has asthma, but

1052
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 5: his family doesn't seem to know that he has asthma,

1053
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 5: doesn't seem to believe that he has asthma. But where

1054
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 5: this gets really tough for Ice is that a preliminary

1055
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 5: autopsy came back and said that he died by strangulation.

1056
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 5: So that's where it's going to get for Ice as

1057
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 5: a pretty devastating. So this is on to the post.

1058
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Speaker 5: An employee of El Paso County's Office of the Medical

1059
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Speaker 5: Examiner had set in a recorded phone call that the

1060
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Speaker 5: office is likely to classify lunas compos death as a

1061
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Speaker 5: homicide subject to the results of a toxicology report. The

1062
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 5: employee said a doctor there is quote listing the preliminary

1063
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 5: cause of death as asphyxia due to neck and chest compression,

1064
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Speaker 5: which means Luna's compost did not get enough oxygen because

1065
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Speaker 5: of pressure on his neck and chest. So if that holds,

1066
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Speaker 5: that's devastating for the ice narrative.

1067
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Speaker 3: And yes, and fortunately for the country, we don't have

1068
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 3: to sit around and figure out how to create a

1069
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 3: system to adjudicate situations like this. We have one. We

1070
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 3: charge people with crimes, we put them in front of

1071
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 3: a jury of her peers. You have witnesses who testify

1072
00:59:56,680 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 3: to what they saw, you have toxicology gist, and you

1073
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Speaker 3: have other doctors testify as to what they've seen. The

1074
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 3: people charged can testify in their own defense if they wish,

1075
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 3: or they have a Fifth Amendment right not to. And

1076
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 3: because we care so much about this system, we even

1077
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 3: created a thing called a U visa, which if you

1078
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 3: are a witness to a crime in an ongoing investigation,

1079
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 3: you are entitled to what's called a you visa. And

1080
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 3: it's straightforward. If all you need is the certification from

1081
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 3: prosecutors that you're a witness to a crime, and you

1082
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 3: get a temporary U visa which means you cannot be

1083
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 3: deported until the trial plays out. How is any of

1084
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 3: this complicated? Like you cannot deport the witness who contradicts

1085
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 3: your claim that you did not kill this person like that.

1086
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 3: That is the most basic level of our justice system

1087
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 3: and an approach to these cases.

1088
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Speaker 5: So we can put the next em up on the screen.

1089
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Speaker 5: And this is from popular information. Jud legom.

1090
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Speaker 4: Ice has stopped paying for detaining medical treatment.

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Speaker 3: Legom is October.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, legom is reporting quote ICE halted payments in October

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Speaker 5: and the situation will persist for at least several more months.

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Speaker 4: What do you make of this report? Ryan?

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Speaker 3: They have, and we've talked about this in the mass,

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Speaker 3: more money in their budget than they will ever be

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01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 3: able to spend. They cannot hire enough people and buy

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Speaker 3: enough equipment to spend the amount of money that has

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01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 3: been appropriated to them. They their ICE's budget is greater

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01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 3: than all but like five militaries in the world or

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01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 3: something like that. Like that's how that's how much money

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01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 3: they have. This is not about not having the money

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01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 3: to pay your third party medical providers. This is about

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01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 3: a miserating and in some cases killing the people that

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Speaker 3: are in your custody. There's no other way to see this.

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Speaker 4: So this is from LEGOM.

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Speaker 5: He said ices failure to pay his bills for months

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01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 5: has costed some medical providers to deny services to ICE detainees.

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Speaker 5: So that's it's it's not just a matter of the

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Speaker 5: payments haven't been made, is that the payments aren't being made.

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Speaker 5: To Ryan's point, quote administration source who requested anonymity because

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Speaker 5: they were not authorized to speak to the press hold

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01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 5: popular information.

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Speaker 4: Uh this bit end quote. In other cases, Legom.

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Speaker 5: Rights detainees have allegedly been denied essential medical care by ICE. Yeah,

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01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 5: I mean that's a I haven't seen this report elsewhere

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01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 5: you'll expect. I will expect this to get picked up

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01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 5: and not just on you know, sub sacs, but like

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01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 5: you would expect this to be on NBC and a posts.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I could get as well sourced there. I think

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Speaker 3: could maybe get this. Hey, if they've paid the bills,

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01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 3: you know, post the invoice.

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Speaker 4: It's not the risk of subseeck at all, by the way, either.

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Speaker 5: That's just to say that it's I was trying to

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Speaker 5: say that, it's the momentum builds and it becomes a

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Speaker 5: point where, yeah, but in the actually speaking of shade,

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01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 5: in the shade of media reports, you can kind of

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01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 5: get away with funny business, for sure.

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Speaker 4: So that's that's I would expect that.

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Speaker 5: To become probably more of an issue for ICE, although

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01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 5: when you know you have alleged illegal immigrants detained, then

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01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 5: it's not a particularly sympathetic group. It's just like the

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01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 5: entire conversation about prisoners not being entirely sympathetic. It's it's

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01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 5: politically not a huge winner for Democrats to make a

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01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 5: big deal of ICE detainees. It's, you know, obviously a

1136
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 5: human rights issue, but it's not politically going to be

1137
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 5: a big winner, so maybe it doesn't end up ever

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01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 5: getting that momentum. They say these payments can't be processed

1139
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 5: until April. That's what it says on the website, until

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01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 5: April thirtieth, twenty twenty six. Until then, like them, rights

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01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 5: medical providers are instructed to hold all claims submissions insane.

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Speaker 3: One man that is standing up this and I the one,

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01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 3: and I feel no sympathy for ICE because ICE knew

1144
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 3: ahead of time. They have an entire intelligence arm. That

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01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 3: Will Stancel was in Minneapolis. If there's one thing everyone

1146
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 3: on the internet knows it is that Will Stancel is

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01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 3: in Minneapolis. And ICE decided to make their stand in Minneapolis.

1148
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 4: Anyway despite the presence of Will.

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01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 3: And look what they're getting. Somebody posted footage the other

1150
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 3: day of a Ice. Ice was like grabbing somebody. They're like,

1151
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 3: wait a minute, is that Will Stancel right in the

1152
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 3: back And there he was, right next to the cop.

1153
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 3: He's been posting some footage too, from his own from

1154
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 3: his uh hon a fit the case. He's what he's doing,

1155
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 3: and we can roll this. I know, well, I think

1156
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:51,920
Speaker 3: it's at let's roll this then we can explain what

1157
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 3: he's doing here. Here's here's the great Will stance.

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01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 8: I got six cars in Conway behind me, so who

1159
01:04:58,080 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 8: knows what's about having here?

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01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 4: Keep going, buddy, it's my home, get out.

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01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:10,360
Speaker 6: I won't do that.

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01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 8: I following You have a constitutional right. I know you

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01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 8: know where I live.

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01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 6: I don't care you go home.

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01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:21,440
Speaker 4: Where are you from?

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01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 8: You arrest me for following, you may as well just

1167
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 8: do it because I'm gonna keep doing it. I have

1168
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 8: a right to do this or I don't. If I don't,

1169
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 8: you should arrest me right now. And if I do,

1170
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 8: stop doing this weird crap.

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01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 3: So if you don't kind of live in the bowels

1172
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 3: of the internet. Will Stancil is a liberal who first

1173
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 3: rose to kind of Twitter prominence fighting with leftists like

1174
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 3: yours truly attack me constantly. He then started going after

1175
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 3: these white nationalists and driving them as completely insane as

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01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 3: he drove the left and saying earlier then the right

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01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:10,520
Speaker 3: made an AI. There's a series about out there. I

1178
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:13,640
Speaker 3: watched one or two episodes. They're like, fairly well done,

1179
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:18,040
Speaker 3: just as a as a piece of like entertainment. Shockingly,

1180
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:23,240
Speaker 3: it's like the first like AI created series with Will Stancil,

1181
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 3: as like the like mock superhero.

1182
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 4: Character couldn't have happened to a better guy.

1183
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 3: He ran First Date House. I think Minnesota lost regrettably.

1184
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 3: But whatever you can say about him, he is not

1185
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 3: you can't say it doesn't put his money where his

1186
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:45,000
Speaker 3: mouth is. He has been relentlessly tracking Ice around the city,

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Speaker 3: and what he has said is that the reason it's

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01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 3: so important to do this is not just to make

1189
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:54,480
Speaker 3: a scene, but that when Ice grabs somebody, well he said, what,

1190
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 3: so he follows them all day long, so he has

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01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 3: like a view of not just what they do when

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01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 3: the crowds are but when the crowds are not around.

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01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 3: What they do is, he says, they look for people

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01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:09,200
Speaker 3: with darker skin who are by themselves. They pull over,

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01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 3: grab them and put them in the van in a

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01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:18,439
Speaker 3: matter of seconds, and then they figure out from there

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01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 3: at that point is this person a citizen? Are they not?

1198
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 3: Did we arrest the wrong person? And so what Will

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01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:28,360
Speaker 3: said he and the other activists are doing is before

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01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 3: they get the guy into the van, they'll shout or

1201
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:37,120
Speaker 3: the woman, what is your name? Who are you? And

1202
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:42,160
Speaker 3: if you don't get their name, according to Will, then

1203
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:46,160
Speaker 3: they're just gone, like they are just into the system.

1204
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 3: And wherever they were going, the people are like, where's Steve.

1205
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 3: Like Steve said he'd be here by five, he's not here.

1206
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 3: Call the hospitals, call the police. Nothing. There's no calling

1207
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 3: ice and finding out like it's going to take you

1208
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 3: if you for a lot of these people, they're they're

1209
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 3: deported before you even figure out, uh, you know where

1210
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:15,520
Speaker 3: they went. And so from Wills presidias, it's so important

1211
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 3: to follow them around just to like because if you

1212
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 3: don't catch that name, the person just disappears. And so

1213
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:24,559
Speaker 3: despite all our beef in the past critical support to Will,

1214
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:27,880
Speaker 3: he's uh, you know, he's really he's laying he's landing

1215
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 3: on the line, so good for him. It's that there's

1216
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 3: nothing more American to me than like exercising your rights

1217
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:39,880
Speaker 3: in the most obnoxious way possible. That is, that is

1218
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:40,799
Speaker 3: truly American.

1219
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:42,599
Speaker 5: But the background that you gave is actually I think

1220
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 5: helpful to the context here, which is that Stancil rose

1221
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 5: to prominence on like the online left or in the

1222
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 5: sphere of the online left because hating the left, he.

1223
01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:52,200
Speaker 4: Was going to left.

1224
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:55,360
Speaker 5: And here you have Will Stancil himself in a car

1225
01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 5: hawking doing the ice watch, that I think is in

1226
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:01,760
Speaker 5: and of itself a statement on where the left is going.

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01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 3: Towards uh right. And he would say there's he would

1228
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:09,040
Speaker 3: say that there's nothing contradictory or inconsistent about that, that

1229
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 3: that he believes in a robust liberalism that is anti fascist,

1230
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 3: that stands up for all of the rights of the Constitution,

1231
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 3: and and that the left is sometimes not even supportive

1232
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 3: of some of those rights that are in the Constitution.

1233
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 3: And also they're an electoral liability because there are you know,

1234
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:31,559
Speaker 3: nobody likes them and you can, you know, lump the

1235
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 3: Democratic Party in with the far left and it hurts them.

1236
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:36,559
Speaker 3: Like that's his, that's his, that's his view on this.

1237
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 3: But you know, he has he has hated the right

1238
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:45,240
Speaker 3: and what it stands for passionately since ever since I've

1239
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:47,720
Speaker 3: known him. He just he just kind of thought the

1240
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:52,120
Speaker 3: left was an obstacle to him fighting the right. But yeah,

1241
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:56,719
Speaker 3: here he is man like, a man of the people,

1242
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 3: a man of the people in his in his hana

1243
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 3: fit ripping around Minneapolis. Just he's not letting these guys

1244
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:04,439
Speaker 3: get away.

1245
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:07,200
Speaker 5: So we could put the next moment up and this

1246
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 5: in New York Times report from Miami finding that a

1247
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 5: record number of Cubans have been deported. Cubans in Florida

1248
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 5: have been deported quote to their shot. Cubans of Florida

1249
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:21,000
Speaker 5: are being deported in record numbers. Now, to be fair,

1250
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:24,839
Speaker 5: the repatriation under Donald Trump is like sixteen hundred Cubans.

1251
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 5: That's according to the Cuban government in twenty twenty five.

1252
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 5: But even that sixteen hundred number is quote double the

1253
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:34,200
Speaker 5: number of Cubans who were repatriated in twenty twenty four,

1254
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:39,559
Speaker 5: there was a big wave of Cubans going through, like

1255
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 5: flying to Venezuela, going up through the Darien Gap up

1256
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:45,599
Speaker 5: through Mexico. I talked to a couple of them who

1257
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:50,679
Speaker 5: had done this after the July protests. Yeah, yeah, after

1258
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:55,679
Speaker 5: the July what was the July eleventh protest? Yeah, right, yeah, exactly,

1259
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 5: So getting on flights that costs a ton of money,

1260
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:00,680
Speaker 5: if I'm remembering correctly. When the people I talked to

1261
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:04,160
Speaker 5: you said it was like eleven grand for the whole thing.

1262
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 4: And not a like luxurious trip at all.

1263
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 5: It's like eleven grand to make your way through the

1264
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 5: dairy and gap and sit at the border in shelters

1265
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:14,840
Speaker 5: for months just hoping you could get in. But that's

1266
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:19,960
Speaker 5: where for Republicans, traditionally it's been you could just touch

1267
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:20,920
Speaker 5: American soil.

1268
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:24,920
Speaker 3: And for Cuban, yeah, and Venezuelan for Thatanah and Venezuelan.

1269
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 4: But that's different.

1270
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:28,640
Speaker 5: Now there was again a big, big, big wave of

1271
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 5: Cuban and Venezuelan immigration, especially Cubans after twenty twenty one.

1272
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:36,679
Speaker 5: So that's what this is in reaction to. But definitely

1273
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:40,879
Speaker 5: a changed, changed time right now.

1274
01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:45,840
Speaker 3: For immigration and none of this had to happen, Like

1275
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:50,120
Speaker 3: Obama normalized relations with Cuba in twenty fifteen, Like we

1276
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:51,880
Speaker 3: could have just we could have just left it at that.

1277
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:55,120
Speaker 3: Obama was like, Okay, we've been doing this fifty year embargo,

1278
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:57,040
Speaker 3: Like enough, Like what are we going to do. We're

1279
01:11:57,080 --> 01:12:00,280
Speaker 3: not threatened by Cuba. They're not going to invade.

1280
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:02,439
Speaker 5: The Cuban government could have also not beaten people in

1281
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:04,000
Speaker 5: the streets in twenty twenty one.

1282
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 3: Well, one of the people I've talked to American government

1283
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:09,680
Speaker 3: could not beat people in the streets to day, Like yeah, I.

1284
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:12,640
Speaker 4: Mean that doesn't have anything to do with yes, both true, yes, yes.

1285
01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:17,600
Speaker 3: But right, Like there's also a relationship between sanctions and

1286
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:23,240
Speaker 3: embargo and liberalization. You the more pressure you put on

1287
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:27,680
Speaker 3: a government, the less room they have to engage in

1288
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:31,400
Speaker 3: political reforms. That doesn't justify the crackdown, but it is,

1289
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:36,600
Speaker 3: it's a factor in it if you want. And the

1290
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:40,360
Speaker 3: same is true with like liberalizing and opening up markets

1291
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:43,080
Speaker 3: more in QBE. But you know that would probably that

1292
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:47,960
Speaker 3: would that would create some problems with people who are

1293
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:52,040
Speaker 3: getting supports in the first couple of weeks, maybe even months,

1294
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 3: and so you need some political cushion in order to

1295
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:58,439
Speaker 3: pull off those reforms. But if you don't have any

1296
01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:01,439
Speaker 3: political cushion, you're just gonna keep the same sclorotic system

1297
01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:05,880
Speaker 3: going forever. So as soon as Trump came in, he

1298
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:12,479
Speaker 3: reinstituted sanctions in embargo. Biden was awful on it, and

1299
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 3: Trump has been even worse since then. And you've had

1300
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:20,760
Speaker 3: something like a third of the population leave in just

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Speaker 3: like five years or so. If you look at there

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Speaker 3: was there were some protests after a Duro's ouster. If

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Speaker 3: you looked at footage of the crowds, very few of

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Speaker 3: your young people in the crowd, anybody in their twenties, thirties,

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01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:42,640
Speaker 3: late teens, has that can and that's you know, and

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Speaker 3: they're allowed, you're allowed to leave. So they just leave.

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Speaker 3: And so they've and only maybe ten fifteen percent of

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Speaker 3: coming to the US, like they're flooding South America, North

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Speaker 3: America and Central America as well.

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Speaker 5: To the point where there's a similar discourse on immigration

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Speaker 5: and places in Chile and other South America.

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Speaker 3: Good yeah, yeah, And Columbia's stacked in that as well

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Speaker 3: as two right, yes, And it didn't have to happen.

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Speaker 3: And we can talk about iron too. Like we had

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Speaker 3: the nuclear deal, Like, what are we doing? Why are

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Speaker 3: we doing all this? What are we doing this for?

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Speaker 4: Let's take a look here at C six, this is

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Speaker 4: a sixty minutes report.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of DHS and its accuracy.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, let's go ahead and roll this.

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Speaker 3: It's right in the after show, not the real show.

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Speaker 5: So this is yeah, So I'll just read the tweek

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Speaker 5: before I rolled the video sixty minutes posted Chris Parente,

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Speaker 5: lawyer for Chicago woman who was shot by a Border

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Speaker 5: Patrol agent in October, showed sixty minutes new video evidence

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Speaker 5: that's that, he says, contradicts to claim that the agents

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Speaker 5: were quote boxed in by ten cars. Quote I don't

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Speaker 5: see ten people, and I certainly don't see anybody in

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Speaker 5: front of him. Parente said, let's roll the clip.

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Speaker 14: DHS released a statement saying that their agents were boxed

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Speaker 14: in by ten cars they couldn't move. What does the

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Speaker 14: video that you obtained from a surveillance camera show.

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Speaker 15: There was nobody in front of this eight If he

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Speaker 15: simply wanted to move forward on the street in the

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Speaker 15: direction he was going, he could have continued on. It

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Speaker 15: shows there's nobody to the left of his vehicle.

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Speaker 14: Why don't you play the video as you've got it

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Speaker 14: set up and kind of walk me through what we see.

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Speaker 15: So this construction barrier that you see here, that is

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Speaker 15: where eventually you're going to see the hood of the

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Speaker 15: agent's car. Stop, you see the front, You see the front,

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Speaker 15: that is the front of the agent's car. The quote

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Speaker 15: ramming has just happened, and right now the agent is

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Speaker 15: opening his driver's side door. He's jumping out, and within

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Speaker 15: two seconds, according to a stopwatch, he's shooting his gun

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Speaker 15: five times. So now you'll see Merrimar's car sort of

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Speaker 15: come out of bend, so she's in the far left lane.

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Speaker 15: She goes towards the curb, away from the agents, and

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Speaker 15: then comes back.

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Speaker 14: No evidence of ten people a caravan anywhere.

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01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:44,840
Speaker 15: I don't see ten people, and I certainly don't see

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Speaker 15: anybody in the lane in front of him. Why can

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Speaker 15: he not go forward?

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Speaker 16: Court proceedings also uncovered text messages from agent Xem. In

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Speaker 16: one exchange with fellow agents, he appeared to brag about

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01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:59,200
Speaker 16: the shooting, writing quote, I fired five rounds and she

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Speaker 16: had seven holes. Put that in your book, boys. Body

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Speaker 16: camera footage discussed in court also revealed that an agent

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Speaker 16: in Exem's car, while holding a weapon, said do something bitch.

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Speaker 16: Seconds later, agent Exem opened fire.

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Speaker 5: So that is in reference to the case of Marmar Martinez.

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Speaker 5: This is from October fourth and the run up to it.

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Speaker 5: I'm reading again from the sixty minutes report. She said

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Speaker 5: she noticed unusual vehicle on the road when she was

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01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:32,160
Speaker 5: driving to church. It had no plates, a light under

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01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:34,080
Speaker 5: the windshield with a lift logo, and a driver that

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Speaker 5: was wearing green camel camouflage. Martinez, an American citizen, honked

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Speaker 5: her horn and shotted La migra, Spanish word used among

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Speaker 5: members of Latino community to identify immigration officers. She said

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Speaker 5: she followed the car for about twenty minutes, alerting nearby

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Speaker 5: residents by honking and shouting while live streaming on Facebook.

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Speaker 5: And that's when things took a dramatic turn. And that's

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Speaker 5: where the video picked up r in Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And so then according to DHS, I think it was

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01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 3: Trish McLaughlin's again. Ten cars boxed in this agent and

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01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:13,040
Speaker 3: rammed the vehicle completely fabricated. The guy just got out.

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Speaker 3: So this is of the two high profile cases of

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Speaker 3: women being shot in their cars by ICE agents. Both

1379
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Speaker 3: have been called the B word. Renee Good was called

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Speaker 3: that after she was killed, although she was still alive

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01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:34,040
Speaker 3: before they you know, she was shot a pulse for

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Speaker 3: another eight minutes, but they prevented her from getting medical treatment.

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Speaker 3: This woman was called it right before he tried to

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Speaker 3: kill her and then brags that he shot her five

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Speaker 3: times and put quote seven holes in her. That's because

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Speaker 3: she was probably instinctively covering, protecting herself with her with

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Speaker 3: her bare hands. So congratulations, you're tough guy. You shot

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01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:59,120
Speaker 3: an unarmed woman who tried to protect herself with her

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Speaker 3: bare hands, and you managed to put a bullet through

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Speaker 3: her arm that also then went into her body, and

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Speaker 3: then she managed to live at like an absolute, absolute miracle.

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Speaker 5: She did actually have a gun in her purse, but

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Speaker 5: she wasn't able to get to it. Yeah, no, no,

1394
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Speaker 5: that's like, she did actually have a gun in her purse.

1395
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Speaker 5: She said she wasn't able to get to it in time,

1396
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Speaker 5: but she has it because she lives on the South

1397
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Speaker 5: Side of Chicago, is what she said.

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Speaker 3: So one of these cops, and I want to I'm

1399
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Speaker 3: curious how y'all are going to respond to this. One

1400
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:32,680
Speaker 3: of these cops is going to get shot.

1401
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:34,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's absolutely true. And it's that's.

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01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:37,840
Speaker 3: Because and it will be in self defense. And then

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01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:41,479
Speaker 3: and then where's the back of the blue versus the

1404
01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:43,720
Speaker 3: standard ground types? How are you going to handle that?

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01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 5: This is what's frustrating to me because one of the

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01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:48,320
Speaker 5: things that we disagree on, and I would certainly disagree

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Speaker 5: with Martinez on this is following Ice agents with your

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01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:57,639
Speaker 5: car for twenty minutes and honking incessantly is interfering with

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01:18:57,800 --> 01:18:59,960
Speaker 5: their ability to do their job. That's an entire point

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Speaker 5: of the protest civil disobedience. If you're you know, I

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Speaker 5: don't think that necessarily crosses into breaking the law, but

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Speaker 5: it's not helping the situation.

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Speaker 4: Obviously.

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01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:11,960
Speaker 5: The goal of it is to ensure that people don't

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01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:15,880
Speaker 5: get picked up potentially American citizens, I get it.

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01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:16,679
Speaker 4: Whatever else.

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01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:18,760
Speaker 5: I think a lot of this comes from people who

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01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:24,120
Speaker 5: just blankly want or categorically want pathway decizenship for people

1419
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:26,559
Speaker 5: who are here. They don't want, you know, non violent

1420
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:31,240
Speaker 5: criminals to be deported, and yeah, I completely disagree with that,

1421
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:34,120
Speaker 5: and most of the American people completely disagree with that.

1422
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:36,800
Speaker 5: So if you want to get arrested as an active

1423
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:40,080
Speaker 5: civil disobedience, own it. Say, I'm getting arrested as an

1424
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:43,840
Speaker 5: active size. It's not a crime, No, not yet, no, no,

1425
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:45,439
Speaker 5: not yet. But that's what I'm saying. It like it's

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01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:48,879
Speaker 5: it's building to something that we already saw what happened

1427
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:49,760
Speaker 5: with Renee Good.

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01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:52,040
Speaker 4: It's building to something that I think is going to

1429
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:53,120
Speaker 4: get even uglier.

1430
01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:56,080
Speaker 5: And I think everybody's senses and everybody is kind of

1431
01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:58,599
Speaker 5: unsettled by that. And it's I'm not at all just

1432
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:02,479
Speaker 5: blaming h Ice watchers and saying when you're looking at

1433
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:05,680
Speaker 5: as we just saw those clips of cops, cops in

1434
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:08,880
Speaker 5: Minneapolis saying they want to come back to a place

1435
01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:13,720
Speaker 5: of common ground with Ice, it's yeah, I think it's

1436
01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:17,439
Speaker 5: we're seeing the beginning of something that could get even worse.

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Speaker 3: Well, I hope we're seeing the end of it. Think

1438
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:22,360
Speaker 3: about what you learn in elementary school about what the

1439
01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:28,360
Speaker 3: United States is. The consent of the governed is required

1440
01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:32,840
Speaker 3: for the government to have legitimacy, Like that is the

1441
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:36,200
Speaker 3: that is the basis on which we overthrew the British

1442
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 3: that is the basis on which we built the United States.

1443
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:43,000
Speaker 3: The consent of the government of the people, by the people,

1444
01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:46,920
Speaker 3: for the people, you know who doesn't get horns honked

1445
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:49,400
Speaker 3: at them and constantly harassed walking up and down the street,

1446
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:52,000
Speaker 3: even though they've complained about they don't get enough respect

1447
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:58,519
Speaker 3: local police forces. Cops who drive through a neighborhood or

1448
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:01,920
Speaker 3: are walking a beat are not surrounded by groups of

1449
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:05,240
Speaker 3: people honking at them and telling them to go home.

1450
01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:07,240
Speaker 4: I think they would be if they were deporting people,

1451
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:08,400
Speaker 4: which is.

1452
01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:10,800
Speaker 3: What they would be if they were doing things that

1453
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:14,679
Speaker 3: the governed do not consent to. So ICE has lost

1454
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:18,000
Speaker 3: the people it is. It is not the people's fault.

1455
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:22,080
Speaker 3: The people were here first. ICE is a government agency

1456
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:27,320
Speaker 3: that is tru that is coming into these neighborhoods. They

1457
01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:31,720
Speaker 3: need to win over the community. We're here first. And

1458
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:36,120
Speaker 3: also we are the we like we are the ones

1459
01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:41,080
Speaker 3: that govern ourselves in a democracy. And if you want

1460
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:44,240
Speaker 3: to you know, if you want to be a law

1461
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:48,560
Speaker 3: enforcement agency in a democracy, you need the support of

1462
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:51,760
Speaker 3: the people. You can't do this is not Vietnam. We're

1463
01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:53,600
Speaker 3: going to go in just mow down the villagers and

1464
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:56,160
Speaker 3: burn the village in order to save it, Like, you

1465
01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:58,719
Speaker 3: have to actually win hearts and minds, not the fake way.

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01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:01,800
Speaker 5: Well yeah, I mean, and then I think actors should

1467
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:05,280
Speaker 5: also police themselves. When people are throwing stuff at the

1468
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 5: ice officers and touching the ice officers, staying in front

1469
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:09,040
Speaker 5: of cars.

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Speaker 3: Don't do crimes, don't assault them.

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Speaker 5: Right, Well, I just I say that because I do

1472
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 5: genuinely worry about things getting even worse and more dangerous.

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01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:17,479
Speaker 4: I think we all worry about that.

1474
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:20,320
Speaker 5: My sense is that you to your point about is

1475
01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:24,040
Speaker 5: this the end of a bad situation, I just think

1476
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:25,800
Speaker 5: it's the opposite. I think it's it feels to me

1477
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:28,600
Speaker 5: like something is continuing to build, because.

1478
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:31,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know, I just have a bad feeling

1479
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:32,639
Speaker 4: about it might be.

1480
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:35,840
Speaker 3: But you know, there's twenty thousand of them, there's more

1481
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:39,240
Speaker 3: than three hundred million of us. So they're going to

1482
01:22:39,320 --> 01:22:42,679
Speaker 3: have to If they insist on doing this by force

1483
01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:46,560
Speaker 3: rather than through consent, then yes, they're going to have

1484
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:49,439
Speaker 3: to bring a lot more force. But I hope that

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01:22:49,439 --> 01:23:05,360
Speaker 3: they would try to go the consent route.