WEBVTT - Part Two: The Phil Spector Episodes 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:08.440 Also media, Welcome back to Behind the Bastards a podcast, 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:11.760 but this week is about Filium Specter. 0:00:12.160 --> 0:00:15.120 I'm fairly certain that's not what his first name is. 0:00:15.320 --> 0:00:17.560 Here to correct me, Greasy. 0:00:17.160 --> 0:00:20.040 Will, that's actually I think his name was Philium. I 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:26.360 have no reason to dispute that. The Yeah, absolutely one 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:28.240 hundred percent. I do want to lead off with saying 0:00:28.240 --> 0:00:30.160 that I forgot last episode, but I did want to 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:32.240 mention I have made a playlist of all of Phil 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:34.720 Spector's music. I thought that it would be very even 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:37.080 though it's technically whenever you're doing this is educational, so 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:38.760 you can use music for anything that you want when 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:41.000 it's educational, but I thought it would be, you know, 0:00:41.080 --> 0:00:44.480 especially with the new prestigious Netflix deal that you guys got, 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:46.600 I didn't want you to have any you know, copyright 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:50.840 complications are too. No, I'm just saying, I just don't 0:00:50.840 --> 0:00:54.200 want you guys have any complications. You know, So instead 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:57.840 of what I think is Phil's most seminal song, instead 0:00:57.880 --> 0:01:00.360 of playing that, I'll play you my interpretation of it. 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:03.200 Thank you all for listening. I will be here all week. 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:13.760 The night meant I knew I found my show. 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:20.880 The kind that talks about ev were freaking now. 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:25.440 Each shine I listen. 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:29.479 I can't believe my Holy. 0:01:30.720 --> 0:01:37.080 The more than God than be too naughty, though, Can 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:42.000 we till me hid behind the sady that you see 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:48.120 behind the cantles by, behind. 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:52.760 The business snappy, I'm the best. 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:56.680 From more crimes consent. 0:01:57.720 --> 0:01:59.240 See oh. 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:04.240 The weirdows Is Street, dried. 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:06.120 Leave on. 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:16.520 Some feet, rocked up that then the darkest shows you 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:20.560 love that cringe at a briefing. 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:29.760 Day fall some can gupy behind the Ballet Street, the 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:30.800 passion of. 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:38.840 The boothston snappy, so. 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:50.680 Behind the s Street, the passion looks like the Boston Sniffy. 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:55.280 The bastards, sweet. 0:02:56.639 --> 0:02:57.519 Bastards. 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:04.000 That was beautiful. 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:07.800 Well, that was genuinely one of the sweetest I looked. 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:10.760 I just want everybody to know, like this was not 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:13.600 an AI song. I legitimately made that. 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:16.720 I would never have accused you of that, I know. 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:19.000 But it's like right now, there's so much like like 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:22.200 you know, like fifty does fifties song, you know, like 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:25.200 do up you know, and you're like, ah, no, I legitimate. 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:26.959 I brought in a girl. Her name is Clancy. I 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:29.160 shout her out, Shout out Clancy. She was amazing She 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:33.720 crushed that Ronnie Specter vibe. She absolutely killed it. It 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:37.880 was amazing and I and I very much appreciate it. Yeah, 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:38.880 but yeah, you didn't. 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:40.880 Really show that wall sound thing too that you were 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:41.560 talking about. 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:44.320 Yeah, literally, what I was going for was trying to 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:47.760 sound exactly like Phil Spector's Be My Baby, which is 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:49.240 where we will pick up. 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:53.560 Today, Beautiful after beautiful after introduct after this. 0:03:55.240 --> 0:04:06.000 Nailed it, So back to our story, back to our pow. 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:06.840 Philip Specter. 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:10.240 His career is exploding, right, this is where we're at 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:12.120 right now, His career is exploding. 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:14.000 He is the hottest. 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:16.440 He is Max Martin in the nineties, right, he just 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:19.080 wrote Britney Spears and now he's working for Christina Aguilera. 0:04:19.200 --> 0:04:20.120 Yeah, and then he's working. 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:22.040 For you know, it's just like hit after hit after 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:25.719 hit after hit. And like I said before, in last episode, 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:26.880 we talked about he was the. 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:29.520 Tycoon of teen. 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:33.000 Hate. 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:37.600 So yeah, so he's yes, it's very it's a very 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:39.160 upsetting name and as an. 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:41.640 A you know this, but to be fair, he is 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:44.760 probably only like twenty years old, Like he is barely 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:47.520 not a teen himself at this point. And this is 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:54.080 a very very peculiar time in history, right, because most 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:56.960 of his competition is like fifty forty. 0:04:57.160 --> 0:04:58.360 Right, they're like old. 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:01.800 Dudes, right, it's like like in the early days. Like 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:04.600 it's very funny. But they talk about this all the time, 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:07.440 Like basically, if you heard a song by a young 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:10.679 black girl group, it was written by an old white 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:14.920 Jewish man. Yeah, yeah, without fail, that's what I mean. 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:18.120 You know, not quite yet, but very soon the Chess 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:20.320 Brothers are gonna have Chess Records in Chicago. It's going 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:24.560 to be everything, you know, everything that exists you know 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:26.200 in music is gonna come out of there for a 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:26.680 little while. 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:29.440 It's like there is absolutely. 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:34.359 There is just a a a world of old white 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:37.679 dudes writing writing pop music for teenage girls. 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:40.479 And Phil Spector is the maverick. 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:42.800 He's the young guy. He's and he's doing it different. 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:47.760 He's very different, right, all Right, So the studio becomes 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:50.920 his creative space. The studio becomes you know, everything to him. 0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:53.840 He's using it as part. It's like the it's it's 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:56.440 really in these moments too, when he's making these these 0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:59.720 wall of sound productions. It is basically Phil Spector and 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:04.600 the studio is the is the musician. He's bringing in 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:08.960 randos from the parking lot to sing backgrounds, like there's 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:11.360 layers of percussion and shit. It was like if you 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:13.000 could keep a beat at all, it was like cool, 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:14.840 go in there and play this thing. He would have 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:17.360 multiple drums, like all sorts of stuff going on in 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:20.920 these productions. They were they were the musicians were interchangeable. 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:24.360 The studio was important to him, gold Star Studios in 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:28.600 Hollywood on Vine and which is no longer there by 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:31.320 the record it was it was a shitty studio in 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:32.320 the nineteen sixties. 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:36.680 I gotta break it here to say of my favorite 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:39.400 early in our friendship memories was coming to visit you 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:41.880 at the studio you were working at in LA for 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:44.919 the first time with Lenny and like cracking a sixth 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:48.000 pack when you're like putting the finishing touches on something 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:49.720 and you're like, you know, this is where they made 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:51.640 pet sounds, And I was like, oh this building. You're like, no, 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:53.080 like this room is the room? 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:55.080 Yeah? 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:57.400 Here, yeah, right here? Yeah. 0:06:57.440 --> 0:07:00.799 Which again h I mentioned this the first the first episode, 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:03.160 but uh, you know, part of my love for this 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:06.920 whole story is that this is all combined. This story 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:09.880 is all one story, which also includes Charles Manson. I 0:07:09.920 --> 0:07:12.920 don't know if you know that Charles Manson's in this 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:15.880 whole thing too. And I actually have a little bit like, dang, 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:17.520 I should pivot from this one the next one. 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:20.120 I come over here, I should? I should Charles Manson 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:21.400 Beach Boys. 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:25.240 Talked a little bit about the Beach Boys and Charlie Manson, 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:27.000 but not as much as the subject deserves. 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:29.320 Yeah, oh my god, it is. I mean, it's it. 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:30.760 We'll get there. We'll get there. 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:33.440 That's a later but that's a that's a little special 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:34.840 thing for you guys in the future. 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:38.760 You'll love it. So yeah, so you know Phil Is 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:42.600 is working at gold Star. The Beach Boys are are. 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:47.360 Brian Wilson actually is part of these early like background people, 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:50.560 not singers. He's like a hanger on. He's like showing 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:53.440 up places and being like, oh Phil's working, like and 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:55.040 he's a kid, and he just like, oh, I just 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:57.640 want to see what Phil is doing. Because Phil is 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:00.560 the guiding force of what would become the Beach Boys, 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:03.280 which would then become the Beatles. Is like whole vibe 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:06.360 on how they just were not doing the Phil is 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:10.160 the architect of this original sound and he cannot be 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:13.920 stressed enough how big of a deal this is, Like 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:18.960 he is like as big as as doctor Dre is. Right, 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:21.520 like when you think of like, oh, like everybody knows 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:26.520 doctor Dre, everybody knows Phil Spector. Right across continents they 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:30.400 know Phil Spector. Everybody knows Phil Spector. Right. He is 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:34.920 after after the hits that he's crafted already. Just he's 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:37.760 world he's worldwide, mister worldwide. He's pitfull and. 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:40.360 So right right, yes, he's the first mister worldwide. 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:44.559 He is also, as I said, only about like five 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:48.600 foot three or whatever and anywhere's heels. He starts wearing 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:50.880 heels all the time because he doesn't want people to 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:53.200 know how short he is. He starts losing his hair, 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:55.959 which we'll talk about a little bit. Uh, and so 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:58.800 he starts wearing wigs and starts like going, this is 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:01.120 the beginning of all this. At this exactly, he's like 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:04.160 twenty one and he's like losing his hair at a 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:04.800 crazy rate. 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:07.040 He's like all right, real insecure about it. 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:11.679 Really has a lot of self worth image issues, you know, 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:14.400 he really just does not like he's doing all this 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:16.880 because of that, he's trying to go bigger and bigger 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:19.439 and bigger, because he looks at himself as being just 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:22.000 like the worst, because you know, mom issues and all that. 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:22.720 Yeah. 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:25.840 But by the mid nineteen sixties, Phil Spectr had achieved 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:29.200 something few producers had ever managed. He had transformed himself 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:32.920 from songwriter into brand, from collaborator into architect. The Wall 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:36.280 of Sound was no longer experimental. It was defining popular music. 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:40.480 But as his professional authority grew, so did his emotional instability. 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:45.520 He got married to a woman named Annette Morar, right, 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:50.079 and it is such a small blip, like this is 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:52.959 I should have started with that, But it's such a 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:55.720 small blip. He marries her and immediately just starts ignoring her, 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:58.400 has no interest in he He love bombs her. 0:09:58.480 --> 0:10:01.240 He does what we now call love bombs, right, He 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:02.599 love bombs the ship out of it. 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:04.480 But then once they get married, because this is like 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:08.599 a very short courtship, once they get married, he's like 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:10.360 not interested anymore. 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:12.439 So that gives me. 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:15.920 That gives me major, is all I'm saying. 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:20.839 Yeah, Well, calm down on hating on people for bad relationship. 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:25.079 And situations, as we have well we wanted to talk. 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:28.719 I'm doing the best I can look, I figured out, 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:29.760 I figured out the problem. 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:34.520 It's me. I'm in the same place I've locked I 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:40.439 figured out the problem the house all the time, we 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:41.400 figured out the problem. 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:43.480 But the real you know, we gotta saying you got 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:44.960 nine problems, but. 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:46.360 You're the bitch, and it's. 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:52.480 Problems and I am all of them, and I have 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:56.080 been nefariously behind every single one of them. 0:10:56.760 --> 0:10:59.000 Just this will never come back to me. 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:02.560 All my problems are raither me or the government, which 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:07.000 is why I really focus on hating the government. True. 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:11.959 All right, so his paranoia is escalating, his reliance on 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:14.960 intimidation is becoming really normalized. 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:15.200 Right. 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:17.960 Wait, that's actually kind of interesting. 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:21.280 So he love bombs this person, he's obsessed with her, 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:23.679 and then they get married, but then he no longer 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:25.800 wants to like control or stalk her. 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:30.400 No, he literally he So that's a new behavior. 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:34.599 He basically it's that classic like as soon as he 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:37.360 gets it, he's not interested in it. Yeah, as soon 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:40.480 as he gets it, it pivots, like the whole thing changes, right, 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:40.840 But he. 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:42.559 Doesn't want to control her anymore. 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:47.839 Not not really, it's more of like it's more of 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:51.040 like he I mean, he is still controlling, right, but 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:53.360 he just doesn't care at all, you know, like most 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:55.760 of the time, he's more interested in his career, in 0:11:55.880 --> 0:11:57.920 his work, in what's going on in the studio. 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:02.120 He builds a studio underneath his house so that he can. 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:05.000 Just like be down there whenever he's like, anytime he's 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:06.880 annoyed or like whatever, he just goes downstairs. 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:08.520 So he has the ultimate like escape plan. 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:11.280 Yeah, I'm sure if he were to catch her cheating 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:13.480 on him, he'd be pissed, but he's hardly paying enough 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:14.240 attention to know. 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:16.880 Got it, absolutely? Absolutely? 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:20.040 Yeah, Yeah, he's very much at this point, he's very 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:21.240 much interested in Phil. 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:23.520 Phil is what's driving him, right. 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:28.880 Yeah, So what he's looking for this whole time he 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:31.440 keeps talking about this is a constant reference. He's looking 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:34.040 for the voice. He's looking for the voice that perfectly 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:39.840 compliments his wall of sound, his musical compositions, like being 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:43.480 all these like big Fuagnerian like opuses and everything. He 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:47.280 wants a person to be that thing, to be that 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:49.959 that front and center for all of this to make 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:52.559 it worth what he's doing. He doesn't feel like he's 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:54.280 found that with any of his previous stuff. 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:55.680 So in walks. 0:12:56.600 --> 0:13:00.880 Ronnie Bennett. Ronnie Bennett, let's talk about Ronnie Bennett will 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:02.600 eventually become his wife's spoiler alert. 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:05.959 I don't know how much I wrote, so now I 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:08.559 just gotta I wrote a lot. I wrote a lot. 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:09.760 There's a lot of words in here. 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:15.360 I'm forty one pages, you wrote, my friend, yeah, Jael. 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:18.040 Yes, no, no, no, that's exactly what I was gonna say. 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:21.280 You know, I'm on the subreddits, I'm on the YouTube's. 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:23.640 I read the comments. I read the comments because they 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:26.440 keep me humble, Because like I'll be like posting something 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:27.959 on the Internet and somebody be like, this guy's a 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:29.800 fucking loser, and I'm like, oh cool, you. 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:31.480 Know, I'm really. 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:35.880 Just you know, I gotta, I gotta keep it real 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:38.240 out there. But sometimes I see comments on there where 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:40.080 people be like, I can't believe Robert. 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:41.280 Fuck you. 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:43.439 Fuck every one of you who has ever made a 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:45.320 comment like that. Fuck any of you who have ever 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:46.840 said anything bad about Sophie too. 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:49.079 I slapped the shit out of you. And this is 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:50.880 for the subreddit right now. 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:53.520 I'm one of you, and I see the things you 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:55.880 say and I'm disgusted by them. 0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:58.760 Sometimes because I'm like do you know this took me 0:13:59.160 --> 0:13:59.800 a year. 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:02.920 This took me a whole year to do this. 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:05.559 I'm busy. I'm a busy person. 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:07.480 But even whenever I was like, like, you know, I 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:09.599 told you like last week, oh I'm done with this, 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:12.199 and I was like mostly done, but I wrote another 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:14.240 like three thousand words because I was like, well, there's 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:15.280 some parts I'm missing and. 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:18.120 All this because ship. 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:21.880 This is hard. And I hear all your little Internet 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:25.120 comments like oh you said some weird ship or what. Yeah, 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:26.240 I'm doing my best, dude. 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:29.480 It's like I'm improvising at the same time, I'm obviously 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:31.760 drinking a little bit and like, you know, you guys. 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:34.280 Got to cut me a break, got to do that. 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:34.720 Yeah. 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:39.120 I don't know anybody else operates, but this is how 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:39.960 I do things. 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:44.600 Speaking which purchase, greasy does it, recording course taught by me. 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:52.440 I'm very responsible marketing, incredible word thank you. Yeah so 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:53.520 so yeah. 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:57.120 So. Ronnie is born into a family shape. She's born 0:14:57.160 --> 0:15:00.680 in Spanish Harlem, New York City, August tenthnineteen forty three, 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:04.040 four years after Phil was born, just down the street. Basically, 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:07.560 they probably lived almost in the same area at this time. 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:09.440 Essentially all right. 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:13.680 So her father, Lewis Bennett, was an Irish American and 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:17.560 her mother was African American Cherokee. Her father was also 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:20.080 a drummer and a drunk, something that can still be 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:23.600 found together in massive quantities around the world. You can 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:27.400 have a drummer and drinking anywhere you go. It's true, 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:29.880 you can find it. It's this prevalentist Coca cola man. 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:38.480 It's there. So he's also a failure, right. He can't 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:41.560 he can't keep a job, he can't do anything. He's 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:43.720 just a mess most of the time. So she grows 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:48.520 up not really down with alcohol. Right, this is important 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:48.960 for later, but. 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:51.760 She starts her life understandable. 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:53.800 Being traumatized by a little bit by alcohol. She always 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:56.120 loves her dad, but she definitely feels like, you know, 0:15:56.320 --> 0:15:57.440 this is an alcohol thing. 0:15:57.880 --> 0:15:58.080 Yeah. 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:02.840 She loves singing. She's really big on like Frankie Lyman. 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:05.760 She loves Frankie Lyman. She thinks he's the best ever. 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:09.720 Dinah Washington just voices that were raw and like real, 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:15.440 real authentic feeling, right, And she also gravitated towards performance. 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:19.240 She was always like, you know, like the classic front 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:21.280 woman thing. You know, it's like when she was a 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:23.400 little kid, she was always singing into microphones. You know, 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:27.200 it's like that story, right. Her father being a drummer 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:29.800 and a failed drummer did not discourage her mother because 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:32.120 her father left pretty early, but it didn't discourage her 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:36.560 mother from encouraging Ronnie's musical talent. She didn't just like 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:39.440 all of a sudden, I mean, if it was me, like, dude, 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:41.520 I had ex girlfriends that were like, my ex boyfriend 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:43.040 was a drummer and he failed at music, so you 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:45.160 can't possibly make money off of music. 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:47.680 And I'm like, you know, maybe you're wrong. 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:50.320 I don't know, to be fair, I didn't make a 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:53.280 lot of money off of it, so whatever. So yeah, 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:57.120 so her mom, her mom supports her. Her dad's always 0:16:57.480 --> 0:17:00.320 waxing poetic about his days as a musician, and so 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:03.200 she grows up as that being like a really important thing. 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:03.920 Right. 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:07.320 She was always singing at school events, neighborhood functions. 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:10.000 She she got a style. Right. 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:12.119 There's something that happens when you do a lot of 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:14.879 music is eventually, at first you're just learning, you're just 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:18.280 trying to replicate other people's things. But eventually, once you 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:21.439 do it enough, you develop style. Right, and for her, 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:24.160 she developed a very unique style. It was very raw, 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:27.359 It wasn't musically perfect, but it had just. 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:31.280 A tone that was just beautiful. Everybody recognized it, right. 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:35.240 So her oldest sister Estelle and her cousin Nedra formed 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:38.480 a vocal group called the Darling Sisters. The trio practice 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:42.000 constantly singing in school hallways, street corners, in their apartments. 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:44.480 That's like a thing that still happens in this time period, 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:48.679 people like out doting on the corner, just singing in public. Bro, 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:50.560 if you saw that shit now, you'd be like, oh 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:52.320 my god, fucking influencers of this shit? 0:17:52.359 --> 0:17:53.520 Shit is it about to say? 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:57.119 Unfortunately, I would assume it's some like incredibly irritating like 0:17:57.240 --> 0:18:00.600 TikTok thing or whatever, some fucking viral bullshit or something. 0:18:00.840 --> 0:18:02.679 Yeah, I don't want to be a part of your 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:03.760 fucking videos, weirdo. 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:06.119 You know it'd be a huge as. 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:10.000 I would absolutely. I mean, like, you guys suck anyways, 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:10.480 I don't even. 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:15.760 Want to you from making music, and I'll tell you so. 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:19.359 The group was eventually renamed the Rawnettes and namely captured 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:23.080 their identity and Ronnie's emerging role as a front woman 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:24.760 you know Ronnie and the Rawnettes. 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:28.400 It's very sure normals toteduely. 0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:32.600 Yeah, you know, but you know, Ronnie's lead vocals really 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:38.560 do become the defining characteristic of this whole thing. Their 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:42.679 early performances were energetic, glamorous, and slightly rebellious. Ronnie developed 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:46.480 distinctive stage presence that blended confidence with vulnerability. She wore 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:49.840 dramatic eye makeup, teased her hair into towering beehives, and 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:52.760 moved with a swagger that contrasted with her petite frame. 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:56.640 She was creating an image that felt simultaneously innocent and dangerous, 0:18:56.680 --> 0:18:58.560 and aesthetic that would later become iconic. 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:00.119 In nineteen Sixtyes, Pop Colder. 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:03.080 Sophie, if you would please show Phil and the lovely 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:09.240 Ladies of the Ronets. Yeahful they didn't invent that beehive hairdoo. Yeah, 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:13.200 but they're the reason it became popular, right. It was 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:16.760 like their adoption of it was the thing that made 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:20.359 that you I mean, that was my grandmother had one 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:22.159 of those when I was a kid. Still and it 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:25.359 was like the eighties, like it stayed on for twenty 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:28.480 some years. How popular that was. So it's like their 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:32.880 cultural irrelevance just cannot be understated in any way. They 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:38.040 were incredibly important to the look of the early sixties, 0:19:38.960 --> 0:19:42.400 so breaking into the professional music industry proved difficult for them. 0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:45.480 The Run has performed at clubs and talent contests dance 0:19:45.600 --> 0:19:48.800 venues all throughout New York City, struggling to secure recording 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:52.760 contracts or industry attention. The persistence reflected both ambition and 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:55.760 necessary necessity because music was. 0:19:55.760 --> 0:19:58.840 Important to Ronnie. Like she it was get rich, d 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:01.160 die tryan on this. You know she was fifty cent 0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:02.679 hard right now. 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:06.680 Eventually the group secured opportunities to perform at venues that 0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:09.160 expose them to evolving pop and rhythm and blues. 0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:10.480 Scene of the nineteen sixties New York. 0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:14.000 They performed at the Peppermint Lounge and other popular clubs, 0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:16.480 and again Ronnie driving the way. 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:18.840 Yeah, they were starting to get. 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:22.119 Sorry, go ahead, just because this is an inspector and 0:20:22.240 --> 0:20:25.320 I know what's coming is like based on just how 0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:28.840 he treats artists, like the replaceability of them treating him 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:31.200 just like another tool. And hearing a story like this 0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:34.120 that really drives home. Just like, no to get anywhere 0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:36.560 close to people hearing you on the radio, you have 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:39.920 to have been relentless about making it your life, like 0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:43.840