Speaker 1: What's up, everybody. Welcome back to WWF Wrestling with Freddy.
Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for listening so far. And uh,
Speaker 1: I'm really excited to introduce this guest because I never
Speaker 1: had the pleasure of working with him. I left the
Speaker 1: company before he came in. And uh, now it's time
Speaker 1: to start the show. Now, stuffing up for the mic.
Speaker 1: The host of Wrestling with Freddie Freddie Prince June. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so everyone, please welcome the awesome, the fantastic, by my command,
Speaker 1: the next King of the Ring, Mr Xavier Woods. How
Speaker 1: are you, sir, I'm fantastic. Thank you for that incredible introduction.
Speaker 1: Oh that's too kind, You're too kind. No, I'll telling
Speaker 1: you the only other American besides Harley Race and Jerry
Speaker 1: Lawler that I think would look good in a crown. Otherwise,
Speaker 1: as we all looked like John Goodman and King Ralph,
Speaker 1: and it looked great. And then he even rejected it
Speaker 1: at the end, you know what I mean, he knew
Speaker 1: it didn't look good. You know, it didn't look good.
Speaker 1: It looks great now though. Um, thanks for coming out
Speaker 1: to Los Angeles, man, dude. Of course, we haven't had
Speaker 1: a chance to actually sit and hang out and chatting
Speaker 1: such a long time. I haven't gotten to see you
Speaker 1: in the flesh since I was your dungeon master. I
Speaker 1: think that was the last time, um. And we had
Speaker 1: a ton of fun and we can even talk nerdy
Speaker 1: stuff if if you want. But before we get into that, UM,
Speaker 1: we kind of met. Like I said, you, you didn't.
Speaker 1: You weren't at the company when I worked there, and
Speaker 1: so we kind of met because I became a fan
Speaker 1: of yours and I still watched wrestling to this day,
Speaker 1: and I still watched when I left, and I watched
Speaker 1: this dude and I wasn't educated on t n A.
Speaker 1: I watched this dude come in that was you, and
Speaker 1: you had a backstage segment and I think the first
Speaker 1: one was with Kofi, and then after that it was
Speaker 1: Big Ee and it was this young, brash, good look
Speaker 1: and wrestler. I'm blowing smoke, but this is what this
Speaker 1: is what came through. And I remember sitting there going
Speaker 1: who is this and what are they trying to do?
Speaker 1: And you, Kofe and Biggie formed a faction, which is
Speaker 1: very difficult to get over with fans, let alone within
Speaker 1: the company. It's differ It's difficult um, And when you
Speaker 1: guys came out, I heard some of the strongest booze
Speaker 1: that I had ever heard a tag team received, and
Speaker 1: they started screaming to the changed from booze to full
Speaker 1: curt angle hate where it was New Day Sucks was
Speaker 1: a part of it, and I remember going, man, but
Speaker 1: you're committed though, and you guys did something crazy and
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen often. Man. In fact, it's hard for
Speaker 1: me to find another time that it has worked in
Speaker 1: the last twenty five years. You guys went from Bood
Speaker 1: two over in a way that I haven't seen and
Speaker 1: I don't know how long, and it went from New
Speaker 1: Day Sucks to New Day Rocks, and you guys are
Speaker 1: using trombones and now then I watched it years later
Speaker 1: and you're in these like bamboo beat down matches with
Speaker 1: the USO's and stealing the show and the crowd goes
Speaker 1: crazy for you guys everywhere you go. How the hell
Speaker 1: did you do this? Uh? I don't know. You see
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's you're first off, you're you're beyond kind,
Speaker 1: You're this I don't know, it's it's it's a weird process.
Speaker 1: It's a weird journey because I'm trying to figure out
Speaker 1: how to say this. It's like, I don't know a
Speaker 1: stand up comic who's been hated and then love And
Speaker 1: that's the closest thing to wrestling that I can put
Speaker 1: in show business. I feel like the reason that happened
Speaker 1: is because regardless of like what the three of us
Speaker 1: are doing, we have, uh, this this this unreal chemistry
Speaker 1: together where like it's like that we can finish each
Speaker 1: other's sometimes. It's like that type of stuff, but it's
Speaker 1: on a different it's like a different comedic timing level.
Speaker 1: It's not just like we're friends. It's almost like we
Speaker 1: have the same style of of dropping jokes, of timing
Speaker 1: on those jokes, of the weird pop culture references of
Speaker 1: those jokes. UM for instance, So, uh, we're at waffle house.
Speaker 1: Its Kofe myself. It's always of course it's a waffle Yeah,
Speaker 1: because it's the only thing that's opened after a show. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we gotta got the late night breakfast places. Uh,
Speaker 1: and someone came up and they said they said someone's
Speaker 1: name was the last name was Houser, and Kofe and
Speaker 1: I immediately both went doogie. I went to high school
Speaker 1: with him. I'm not joking, Doogie Houser I got. I
Speaker 1: got suspended my senior year for sticking up for Neil
Speaker 1: against Rob Bone. He was he was this guy in
Speaker 1: my school. He talked smack about about Neil and said
Speaker 1: stuff that I didn't like. And Neil was the reason
Speaker 1: I started drama because I saw him do a deadly
Speaker 1: more impression like the day you choose electives, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna do that, and I still can't
Speaker 1: do a good one. Um. But he spoke out the
Speaker 1: side of his face and he got hit and he
Speaker 1: played football. I didn't, So I got suspended. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so shout out Dougie Houser, shout out the goat man.
Speaker 1: So this guy's name is Houser. You guys both just
Speaker 1: constantly say and people are like, how did how did
Speaker 1: you both come to do? That's how you guys interact
Speaker 1: in the ring though, Yeah, that's how you guys would
Speaker 1: do whatever, like whatever group or person you guys were
Speaker 1: going against, when you guys would talk trash on him,
Speaker 1: it was always. But that's why that's again, that's why
Speaker 1: it works. There's that chemistry of like anything that I
Speaker 1: say they will laugh anything that they say. I will laugh. Like,
Speaker 1: so no matter what we say, whether they're bad jokes
Speaker 1: or things that are just ridiculous, Like, as long as
Speaker 1: we're laughing and having a good time, someone's like these guys,
Speaker 1: it's not you can't. It's hard to hate when people
Speaker 1: are just like having a good So this is a
Speaker 1: high level thing. So Larry David has a similar philosophy.
Speaker 1: He says, when you have confidence in yourself and in
Speaker 1: your jokes, there are no bad jokes. There's only bad audiences.
Speaker 1: And so he'll turn it on even more if he
Speaker 1: knows it's bothering you, just to drive that point home,
Speaker 1: to the point where he got his own TV show
Speaker 1: and everyone fell in love with what is in essence
Speaker 1: a horrible person. Yes, and when you guys were heels,
Speaker 1: you were pulling this off, and it was I don't
Speaker 1: want to call you guys unicorns because you guys actually
Speaker 1: came out with unicorn horns. Very good reason for that.
Speaker 1: But it's you know, it's probably dirty, is it not? Okay,
Speaker 1: I was in rat I'm just kidding, you know. Uh
Speaker 1: So my girlfriend in high school, she would always talk
Speaker 1: about this movie, The Last Unicorn watching this whatever. Finally
Speaker 1: we sit down and I watched and I'm like, this
Speaker 1: is the most amazing animated film I've ever seen. So
Speaker 1: the whole, the whole, I know, I know, the whole
Speaker 1: idea of the movie is that this is the last
Speaker 1: Unicorn and magic is almost gone because there's only one
Speaker 1: Unicorn left. Unicorns are the ones who bring magic, and
Speaker 1: so in my head, we came up with this thing
Speaker 1: that we brought magic back to wrestling, and we're like,
Speaker 1: so we're unicorns. That that's what my brain did. And
Speaker 1: so we set in a promo once and it was
Speaker 1: hilarious to us, and so then we started coming out
Speaker 1: with our fingers on our heads to us people listening, like,
Speaker 1: if you're insecure about your art, what he just said,
Speaker 1: it was funny to us. It was funny to us.
Speaker 1: That's we'll talk about that later. I'm sorry we're interrupting that.
Speaker 1: That's like hugely important points. So there's a clip that
Speaker 1: just recently saw. Older clip. It's Kevin Nash and he's
Speaker 1: talking to somebody and he's explaining. He says, like, screw
Speaker 1: those twenty people in the arena. Anything that I'm saying
Speaker 1: on a microphone is for me and maybe seven people
Speaker 1: in the back and that's about it. And I was like,
Speaker 1: I sent it to the guys. I was like, this
Speaker 1: is us, Like we're legitimately just trying to make each
Speaker 1: other laugh. But that that type of fun, it's something
Speaker 1: that you want to be a part of. Like if
Speaker 1: I see a group of people and they're laughing at something,
Speaker 1: even if I didn't think it was funny at first,
Speaker 1: I'm like, but they're having a really good time, you
Speaker 1: know what. And the point, the point of our existence again,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a little existential because I'm in that
Speaker 1: zone um is to have fun. I don't know what
Speaker 1: this life is. I don't know if there's a point.
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a meaning. So what should
Speaker 1: I do in order to to to to get the
Speaker 1: most out of this, Well, I should enjoy it as
Speaker 1: much as possible. And if I can do something that
Speaker 1: then translates into other people enjoying their experience here as well.
Speaker 1: Because we could all this could all blow up tomorrow,
Speaker 1: comment might hit like dinosaurs. We might be better not.
Speaker 1: I got big plans, I know, right, I know, but
Speaker 1: that's that's the thing that makes me believe do what
Speaker 1: is going to make you smile, do what's going to
Speaker 1: make you happy, and that in turn is going to
Speaker 1: hopefully extend to other people and make them happy. And
Speaker 1: so you're talking about people hating us, it's because we
Speaker 1: fully committed to that. Just said like it's the power positivity.
Speaker 1: And at first you hear it, and it's like even
Speaker 1: us when we heard it, we're like, we're gonna be like,
Speaker 1: it's like a choir thing gospel. This is not what
Speaker 1: we we're thinking about when we brought all this to you.
Speaker 1: But fine, and so we thought we got the ball.
Speaker 1: So we have to fully commit. And there's there's been
Speaker 1: situations where people think like a man, I got this
Speaker 1: thing thrown at me. You know whatever, this this sucks,
Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna try to get a change. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: this is our shot. In my head, there's like this
Speaker 1: is my last shot. I wasn't in a good place
Speaker 1: like before this. This is the best that I felt
Speaker 1: in wrestling is with these two guys, and I really
Speaker 1: believe that we have something. And so it's like we
Speaker 1: have to fully commit to this because this is what
Speaker 1: we wanted. So when we did that, everybody got so
Speaker 1: upset because it is so corny at this point in
Speaker 1: time to try to be positive, which is such a
Speaker 1: weird thing to say, right of course, but it makes
Speaker 1: people because they were still coming off like the John
Speaker 1: Cena days where it felt forced upon them. But you
Speaker 1: guys were almost a heel doing it as opposed to
Speaker 1: the baby face doing it, so they were allowed to
Speaker 1: be It was a different kind of hate and I'm
Speaker 1: still trying to figure out how it changed to love it.
Speaker 1: It's because we we gave them exactly what we were
Speaker 1: so it became we don't like this because this is ridiculous.
Speaker 1: And then when we fully committed, it became, you know what,
Speaker 1: if they're going to play the game, we'll play the
Speaker 1: game with him. We'll see, we'll see where this goes.
Speaker 1: Because people understand cheering is good, booing is good, Silence
Speaker 1: is bad. And I think that people understood that and
Speaker 1: they saw these are three guys who are trying to
Speaker 1: make the best out of what they're handed. And I
Speaker 1: think that's even if it's not in the foreground, like
Speaker 1: it's in your in the stunches back of your mind,
Speaker 1: you understand what you're doing, you understand what you're watching.
Speaker 1: Your understanding what your interactions mean to someone, and when
Speaker 1: you see someone committed to the work, it makes it
Speaker 1: very easy to watch. I remember when I would teach
Speaker 1: their promo class um, I showed them the scene from
Speaker 1: Liar Liar where Jim Carrey is trying to write the
Speaker 1: word read and because his son made a wish for
Speaker 1: his dad not to be able to tell alive for
Speaker 1: a whole day, he can't do it, and he writes
Speaker 1: the word blue and he's like, nor write it, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, his hand gets angry at him
Speaker 1: and it attacks him, and he's like, no, you're gonna
Speaker 1: write it or I'll break it off. And it's so
Speaker 1: over the top and ridiculous that if he didn't commit
Speaker 1: a cent to that, that's the worst scene in the
Speaker 1: history of film. Instead, you can't take your eyes off it.
Speaker 1: And as ridiculous as it is, when his arm starts
Speaker 1: the wing chicken wing things, he has everybody captured in this.
Speaker 1: And then at the end of the scene he comes
Speaker 1: up and his face is covered with the word blue
Speaker 1: and it's like the goddamn and I'm looking at everybody
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to tell them. I would also play
Speaker 1: them stand up because I compare the two art forms
Speaker 1: that it's as close as I can make a comparison
Speaker 1: to because it's not like the movie business at all.
Speaker 1: And I learned that very quick when all my promos
Speaker 1: would get rejected because they were like eight minutes long.
Speaker 1: But when I watched you guys turned face, so to speak.
Speaker 1: And for people that aren't wrestling fans who are just
Speaker 1: like listening for the stories, when you go from a
Speaker 1: good guy or a bad guy to a good guy,
Speaker 1: they say, you're turning face because your baby face now
Speaker 1: and everybody's gonna love you. Um, you guys made this turn,
Speaker 1: and you have this life outside of wrestling, as does KOFE,
Speaker 1: as does E that you guys are very very public about,
Speaker 1: and you bring a lot of yourselves into these w
Speaker 1: w E characters in a time where that was done
Speaker 1: because if we back up, when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: everything was real. These were sporting contests, they were fights.
Speaker 1: It was like I'll leave versus Holmes. And then after Montreal,
Speaker 1: everything kind of got flipped on its head and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden there was this argument of well, it's
Speaker 1: this much real and this much but back in the
Speaker 1: old days, you weren't necessarily doctor death, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like, but you had to live that gimmick
Speaker 1: because if you were a bad guy signing autographs in
Speaker 1: the back, how bad a guy are you? Right? And
Speaker 1: then after the screw job happened, all that went away
Speaker 1: and people were like, yeah, man, it's just to show.
Speaker 1: It's just characters. You especially, but KOFE and and E
Speaker 1: as well have found what I find to be this
Speaker 1: sort of beautiful hybrid where you've literally really brought back
Speaker 1: living the gimmick, which should make the old heads happy.
Speaker 1: And if you're not, just listen and think about that
Speaker 1: for a second. You're living the gimmick. You got yourself
Speaker 1: over first, then got the gimmick over and it's almost
Speaker 1: like old school wrestling all over again, but the real
Speaker 1: mtvs Real World Season one version of it. It's so
Speaker 1: crazy to me and you're literally it's almost like watching
Speaker 1: old school wrestling again but through a contemporary lens. Because
Speaker 1: young people freaking love you, guys. They love you guys.
Speaker 1: They may be watching the Internet all the time and
Speaker 1: don't know about cable TV, but they love you guys,
Speaker 1: and they watch you and they follow y'all on social media.
Speaker 1: And you're so interactive with them, whereas a lot of
Speaker 1: the older heads just aren't, or if they are, they're
Speaker 1: just complaining, you know what I mean, Like you don't
Speaker 1: get it, you don't get it, and it's like, well,
Speaker 1: you both don't get it, but you guys have this
Speaker 1: crazy attitude of like, hey, if I don't get that,
Speaker 1: get me hip to it. And and it's I've seen
Speaker 1: it since the first segment I watched you do is
Speaker 1: the same way you've been in gaming, in cosplay conventions,
Speaker 1: in playing the bass in which I'm sure you'll be
Speaker 1: doing in WrestleMania one day, doing to your own theme music.
Speaker 1: I mean, my my friend is gonna jump pretty quick.
Speaker 1: So man, pretty nasty on it what you guys have done.
Speaker 1: I mean, am I crazy? Is this just me overthinking it?
Speaker 1: Or do you see yourself as like, yo, it's not
Speaker 1: even a gimmick. It's I'm living this and this is
Speaker 1: me and I just found a way to make it work.
Speaker 1: I think, I think the biggest part of it. So uh,
Speaker 1: I guess it to go back to let's say developmental.
Speaker 1: So like STW we have promo days and you can
Speaker 1: come as whatever character or whatever thing kind of whatever
Speaker 1: promo you want for me. It became the thing of
Speaker 1: all right, I'm not you know six. This is like
Speaker 1: my with my script since I was little, has has
Speaker 1: been like I'm not gonna be six to I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna be like two or fifty pounds, Like I gotta
Speaker 1: figure out, like what can I do to to the
Speaker 1: rise to? You know? Yeah, but like that's why I
Speaker 1: learned how to play trump bon because I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: maybe if I have an instrument, you know something, they're
Speaker 1: wrestling made you want to learn it. Wrestling made me
Speaker 1: literally do everything that I've done in my life. I
Speaker 1: played sports for every semester and every term whatever because
Speaker 1: in my head I had to be an athlete all
Speaker 1: year long because I had to get ready bigger. You
Speaker 1: were a band nerd who got buff and wanted to wrestle,
Speaker 1: I'm not even playing. No. Started in seventh grade, So
Speaker 1: I started wrestling because I wanted to wrestle. Obviously I
Speaker 1: tried football prior, like when I was in elementary school,
Speaker 1: but it was we played poundball in Georgia, so you're
Speaker 1: you're on a team based how much you weigh, and
Speaker 1: me and my best friend were real fat kids. So
Speaker 1: we were playing like thirteen year old and we were
Speaker 1: like nine and it just did not work. So I
Speaker 1: they hit me so hard my helmet broke. I cried.
Speaker 1: I quit. And so when I go out for wrestling,
Speaker 1: my dad is like, you know, it's not like that wrestling, right,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, yeah, it's cool. I go, but
Speaker 1: I would need to learn something because I can't defend myself.
Speaker 1: I'm just like I was a little pudgy fat nerd,
Speaker 1: you know, and I was nervous because wrestling is the truth, man,
Speaker 1: it is. It changes you. Man. It makes you so accountable,
Speaker 1: not just like in a sport but in life because
Speaker 1: football you could be killing it, but ten people don't
Speaker 1: want to back you up. Now you lost as well.
Speaker 1: Wrestling it taught me how to be so accountable because
Speaker 1: if I lost, it's because I messed up. I heard
Speaker 1: word for words, so many wrestlers, like amateur wrestlers, say
Speaker 1: that yep, the interperson, and it made me translate that
Speaker 1: to life. So if we fast forward some so there's like, okay,
Speaker 1: I need to learn a language and a little bit
Speaker 1: of Spanish because you know, I kinda want to wrestle
Speaker 1: in Mexico. It's the closest country to me that speaks
Speaker 1: a different language where I could possibly wrestle later in life.
Speaker 1: So I started learning Spanish. Um I had incredible stage fright.
Speaker 1: So my friend convinced me they were looking for guys
Speaker 1: to be in show choir. And I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: not saying I'm doing that. She goes, you have to age, right,
Speaker 1: don't you? Guy said yeah, she goes, how are you
Speaker 1: going to be a pro wrestler if you can't sing?
Speaker 1: A dancer from the people, I said, So I joined
Speaker 1: to get over that. In college, I was a cheerleader
Speaker 1: because I knew I wasn't gonna be tall, So I
Speaker 1: tried to get more agile so I could learn how
Speaker 1: to do stuff. So, like literally every decision that I've
Speaker 1: made in my life was to try to gain a
Speaker 1: skill that might possibly help me in wrestling. And so
Speaker 1: when I got to the point where I was in
Speaker 1: developmental I was like, cool, now I need some sort
Speaker 1: of gimmick. I need something. So I tried to be
Speaker 1: the son of Papashongo. Um. So I was a motivational speaker.
Speaker 1: I was that nineties guy. So I had like a
Speaker 1: yack back turtles backpack. You know, I tried to be
Speaker 1: like me essentially. Um, I tried to be like a
Speaker 1: real American with Jack swagger. I had so many different
Speaker 1: things to the point, remember the Jack swagger, Right, So
Speaker 1: I tried so many different things to the point where
Speaker 1: one one time I got a review that said, like,
Speaker 1: I have too many ideas. So in my head, in
Speaker 1: my in my how is that a bad thing? I've
Speaker 1: never heard that as a criticism, right, And so in
Speaker 1: my head, I was like, I don't even understand what
Speaker 1: that means. Um, So I just I would like get
Speaker 1: get upset and like I'm not I'm gonna make more ideas.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to be more creative. And I had
Speaker 1: so many people telling me like this will never I
Speaker 1: have a list, a legitimate list. Breeze will tell you this,
Speaker 1: he's seen this. I have a list of things in
Speaker 1: developmental that I wanted to do, and I it's a
Speaker 1: list of things that people told me I will never
Speaker 1: be able to do. And I'm almost done with it.
Speaker 1: I'm almost done checking things off. It's disgusting how good
Speaker 1: it feels. And so all of that is why, like,
Speaker 1: once it got to the point where we could try
Speaker 1: to create a new day. I had this this idea
Speaker 1: in my head and I didn't I don't know if
Speaker 1: I ever voiced this to to the guys or if
Speaker 1: it was something that I was consciously doing, but I
Speaker 1: quickly realized in trying to figure out how to get
Speaker 1: our chemistry and ring stuff all together, and to the
Speaker 1: point of the chemis the chemistry that we have now,
Speaker 1: which we were able to get from how shows. We
Speaker 1: were on house shows for like four or five months
Speaker 1: before we run and for those who don't know, that's
Speaker 1: when they're on the road all the time, working matches,
Speaker 1: doing promos, doing this. But there's no TV cameras. There
Speaker 1: is just for the people that come to the house.
Speaker 1: So so having having that set up helped us a lot.
Speaker 1: But in trying to get our chemistry down, we kind
Speaker 1: of shed the gimmick because that wasn't that the gimmick
Speaker 1: became secondary to our chemistry. And then once we realize
Speaker 1: that we've leaned fully into our chemistry, and then it
Speaker 1: could be literally whatever it wanted to be. You know,
Speaker 1: you guys, you said shed right, because it's an evolution
Speaker 1: and the cocoon to the butterfly, it's so funny. Like
Speaker 1: one of the ways I as a as a young
Speaker 1: buck that I always kind of I would see if
Speaker 1: like wrestling was over, is like did they get a
Speaker 1: word over? Did they get a phrase over? Things like
Speaker 1: that like Steve Austin out the what over? But one
Speaker 1: of the best, if not the best. But to me,
Speaker 1: I hate it because it kills promos right, like if
Speaker 1: somebody doesn't even know the stuff, then that that that's
Speaker 1: what I like, because if the crowd is not they're interacting,
Speaker 1: trying to mess with us, trying to knock us off
Speaker 1: our game. Like to me, that is what pro wrestling
Speaker 1: is is what do you do when you mess up?
Speaker 1: This is why I say it's like stand up with you.
Speaker 1: Guys are like boxers there and the crowd is the
Speaker 1: opponent and they want you to outsmart them. They want
Speaker 1: you to him with his finger. They want to be
Speaker 1: shut down because then they go, oh, he's good. And
Speaker 1: that's that's what all this is. If you go a
Speaker 1: B C. D. If you're like that's whatever, cool, that's
Speaker 1: that's fine. Everything works, people like it, everyone enjoys it.
Speaker 1: But what do you do when things go arrived? I
Speaker 1: remember the first time I saw Roman get the crowd
Speaker 1: with his promo and I literally was like, either he
Speaker 1: just figured it out or he just took like a
Speaker 1: full court shot and made it. But it was the
Speaker 1: first time they stopped wadding and work did that exact moment.
Speaker 1: And it's funny because I'm sitting here and going as
Speaker 1: a writer, right going, oh god, I hate the wood.
Speaker 1: I've seen it, and you're like, no, give it to
Speaker 1: get That's what and that's why you're able to get
Speaker 1: these ideas over and get them through people. People know
Speaker 1: when it's real. Yeah, So it's so much more fun
Speaker 1: because now now we're playing. This is all all, all
Speaker 1: of this is a game, and they are a part
Speaker 1: of the show. They want to be and they are
Speaker 1: part of this. When you're watching wrestling on TV, you
Speaker 1: cannot even almost feel the energy in the building. You
Speaker 1: can't cannot even almost comprehend or even almost fathom what
Speaker 1: the energy is like, but you can hear it. That's
Speaker 1: the indicator. So even if I'm watching something and I'm
Speaker 1: not fully invested or I'm not I'm cooking dinner or something,
Speaker 1: but I hear the audience, I go, how I need
Speaker 1: to turn and watch that. That makes it so much better.
Speaker 1: How many matches if you would have seen just like
Speaker 1: with no crowd, flat, no noise the match. This is
Speaker 1: a good match, but that energy that you is trying
Speaker 1: to experience through audible This is a good point because
Speaker 1: I was, like I said, I was kind of like
Speaker 1: anti crowd and then the pandemic hit and everyone was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be brutal. I'm not joking. I was like,
Speaker 1: finally I can watch what I want to watch the
Speaker 1: way I want to watch it. No, no, no, no no no.
Speaker 1: And after the first one, I was like, oh man,
Speaker 1: I really missed crowds. This is brutal. I was way
Speaker 1: wrong on that. It's studio wrestling, Like it's it's not easy.
Speaker 1: Everything hurts ten times worse because there's no adrenaline trying
Speaker 1: to create it and and hope like you get to
Speaker 1: a point where not that like you can just wrestle
Speaker 1: and no automatically if it's good or bad, but like
Speaker 1: you have a feel for like this was entertaining. Maybe
Speaker 1: the crowd is gonna let you know that they have
Speaker 1: their chance too, that they got over you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I've heard you guys get your This is awesome.
Speaker 1: It's like that's a that's a powerful thing too. It's
Speaker 1: instant gratification, Like if I make a movie, it's eight
Speaker 1: months before you see it and I've already decided how.
Speaker 1: I feel like, there's no for me. There's like no
Speaker 1: point in any of this if there's no test, Like,
Speaker 1: I want to be tested. I want to pass, I
Speaker 1: want to fail. I want to get better. I want
Speaker 1: to know where I'm at. You're not big on participation trophies.
Speaker 1: I'd imagine no, no, dude, like, don't give it to me.
Speaker 1: I didn't earn this yet. I don't want it if
Speaker 1: I haven't earned it. And the only way I can
Speaker 1: find out if I've earned it is if I'm tested
Speaker 1: on the material. So before we nerd out, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just want a lot of people listening, because I do
Speaker 1: believe a lot of people from social media that that
Speaker 1: follow both of us will watch this, and I do
Speaker 1: believe a lot of those people are artists in some way,
Speaker 1: shape or form, whether it's painters, animators, sculptors, wrestlers, actors, musicians, whatever,
Speaker 1: um everything Woods has said. I hope you guys go
Speaker 1: back and listen to because it's literally the Blue Pray
Speaker 1: and for how to stay true to yourself and your ideas.
Speaker 1: And we hear the term sill thrown out a lot
Speaker 1: these days. A shill is someone that is catering to
Speaker 1: the fans, and that is the that is the opposite
Speaker 1: of what an artist should be doing. They should be
Speaker 1: making the art they love and then expressing themselves truthfully
Speaker 1: and honestly. And then the power becomes the fan or
Speaker 1: the audience and you get to decide whether you love
Speaker 1: it as well or whether you don't connect to it.
Speaker 1: But a lot of artists and younger ones, and this
Speaker 1: is with social media and a like button, I see
Speaker 1: a lot of you asking people what should I paint,
Speaker 1: what should I sing? What should I do? And I
Speaker 1: always want to like, if I had your number, I
Speaker 1: would call you and be like, don't ever do that again.
Speaker 1: I want you to sing what you love or play
Speaker 1: the cello with a song that you like. Don't don't
Speaker 1: ever ask my opinion ever. I'll let you know if
Speaker 1: I like it or if I don't, win you're done.
Speaker 1: But be true to yourself and make art for your self.
Speaker 1: That's what stand up comedy and wrestling still have in
Speaker 1: in by the dozen compared to all other art forms.
Speaker 1: Movies are way different now there's so much c g
Speaker 1: I there's so much less honesty that we can that
Speaker 1: we can put out there because the animators who put
Speaker 1: up honest work don't even have control of the edit
Speaker 1: and don't even have control of what music is going
Speaker 1: behind what They can take a line I said in
Speaker 1: one scene, and if I said the same line and another,
Speaker 1: they could put it in there. So it's when you're
Speaker 1: in that live audience that's so funny. You had stage right,
Speaker 1: Oh the worst you have like the zero percent stage
Speaker 1: right now, Like you're the opposite. What's the stage courage?
Speaker 1: Your stage courage? But all this at the same time,
Speaker 1: like you were saying, it's getting to be myself. That's
Speaker 1: the scariest thing is playing yourself. Yeah, But at the
Speaker 1: same time, the reason that I'm like where where I
Speaker 1: feel so comfortable in this is because I was doing
Speaker 1: what other people were telling me all the time, taking
Speaker 1: everyone else's advice except lookscept my own. Sure, I guess,
Speaker 1: And once I got to the point where I said,
Speaker 1: you know what, I want to throw my own punches
Speaker 1: if I get knocked out. Good because now I know
Speaker 1: that I'm not supposed to be here. I failed the test.
Speaker 1: I don't have what it takes. My mind is not
Speaker 1: built for wrestling, my body is not built for wrestling. Whatever,
Speaker 1: I need to go and do something else. If I'm
Speaker 1: constantly throwing someone else's punches and I get knocked out,
Speaker 1: now I'm going to be blaming people constantly for the
Speaker 1: rest of my life for messing up my shot. It
Speaker 1: wasn't their shot, it was mine, and I decided what
Speaker 1: to do with it. And if I don't succeed based
Speaker 1: on your advice, that's my faults are created exactly, and
Speaker 1: then that that it ruins your life. It's a pit
Speaker 1: in your stomach, in the back of your brain. I
Speaker 1: would much rather fail on my own accord and understand
Speaker 1: come to terms with the fact that I'm not as
Speaker 1: good as I thought I was. There's my reality checkmate, wrestling, accountability, legit,
Speaker 1: It's it's all rolled into one. So if I'm able
Speaker 1: to go out on my own terms and I and
Speaker 1: I win that night, I don't go oh cool, I
Speaker 1: I won forever. No, No, I have to win every night.
Speaker 1: But I have a little more confidence, and the next
Speaker 1: time I go out there, I have more confidence that
Speaker 1: I'm gonna win again. And then every time I do that,
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm gonna win again. I'm gonna win again.
Speaker 1: So at that point I stopped caring about do I
Speaker 1: need to have a gimmick and have a mask, and said, no,
Speaker 1: screw this. I like me, My friends like me, and legit,
Speaker 1: having that relationship with them, being on camera with them,
Speaker 1: doing promos with them, matches with them gave me that
Speaker 1: confidence that I don't have to put on a mask
Speaker 1: or be a different character in order to make money
Speaker 1: at this place, I can just be me as a
Speaker 1: human person. I have interest in video games, in the
Speaker 1: last n corn In Big in all these different things,
Speaker 1: and it's like, if you don't rock with it, cool,
Speaker 1: I'm already here, dude, And regardless if you like me,
Speaker 1: you're not, I'm about to have a bang or bell
Speaker 1: to bell, So like you, you can't be mad, you
Speaker 1: can justlike you can just like the character Davior Woods,
Speaker 1: but like Austin Creed has done nothing but worked his
Speaker 1: ass off in order to try. And if you don't
Speaker 1: like it, so cool, it's totally you don't have to
Speaker 1: like what I do. You have to enjoy my art.
Speaker 1: That's totally fine. I have I have this this this
Speaker 1: feeling that comes over me when I'm when I'm performing,
Speaker 1: that that is all that I need. The way that
Speaker 1: it makes me feel, that's all that I need. So
Speaker 1: if you love it, I love you for it. Thank you.
Speaker 1: And if you can't stay in it, I love you
Speaker 1: for it. I bless you. But it's it's just that
Speaker 1: feeling being out there with those guys. It's it's incredible, dude,
Speaker 1: It's funny. I wasn't as comfortable as you are until
Speaker 1: I got in my thirties, which you are now. And
Speaker 1: before that, like all the movies I was doing, it
Speaker 1: was always I didn't believe in my ideas. I would
Speaker 1: do whatever the director said, Oh that has to be
Speaker 1: better than than what I did, and I was kind
Speaker 1: of learning on the job. And it wasn't until I
Speaker 1: got into my thirties where I was really felt comfortable
Speaker 1: on camera. This is no lie. My dream career would
Speaker 1: be the actor Ron Perlman's career. He was always in prosthetics,
Speaker 1: his face was always covered. He was hell Boy in
Speaker 1: the original Hellboy movies. He was the preacher in that
Speaker 1: Weird Island of Dr Moreau movie. He he was. Yes,
Speaker 1: he was Beast from Beauty and the Beast, the live
Speaker 1: action show in the eighties. He was I know, if
Speaker 1: that movie it's a good movie, trash on it. It's
Speaker 1: that's a good movie. I've seen it a lot, man,
Speaker 1: and I'm always trying to like, why do people hate it?
Speaker 1: I really like that. You know who the Cheetah was, right,
Speaker 1: Mark the costcos that Filipino action star or American Filipino actions.
Speaker 1: Can we redo this? Can I'd be your little a
Speaker 1: little buddy the doctor bro. That would be the greatest
Speaker 1: movie ever. Um. Okay, So we agreed on that. But
Speaker 1: that's a good segue because I want to finish on
Speaker 1: nerding out. So you and I A few years ago, Uh,
Speaker 1: there was an app called the d C app d
Speaker 1: C Universe and you could watch shows like Teen Titans
Speaker 1: I think they just called Titans um, and uh they
Speaker 1: had Doom Patrol, which if you haven't seen, you should
Speaker 1: actually watch that. I've seen a few episodes and it's
Speaker 1: really funny. And I love Brednon Fraser so much. Um,
Speaker 1: Sarah made a movie with him and I got to
Speaker 1: hang out with him more than her, and I literally
Speaker 1: was like, dude, I wish we were brothers when we left,
Speaker 1: and he was like, so do I And he's just
Speaker 1: this giant Canadian guy with a huge heart and I
Speaker 1: love him. So anyway, you should watch that. Um. But anyway,
Speaker 1: we made a show there that was a table top
Speaker 1: role playing game, which, for those of you who don't know,
Speaker 1: it's like Dungeons and Dragons, only they've made Dungeons and
Speaker 1: Dragons and all kinds of world. Some of them are
Speaker 1: in space, somewhere in the future, somewhere in the wild West,
Speaker 1: summer D and D and uh. We made one that
Speaker 1: was in the superhero world and uh, I have been
Speaker 1: and I don't even know if this is going to
Speaker 1: come to fruition, but I'm just so excited I want
Speaker 1: to talk about it. I've been trying to get a
Speaker 1: meeting with the people at HBO Max who absorbed the
Speaker 1: DC app and uh show them what we did there
Speaker 1: and try to get going. And they watched it and
Speaker 1: they reached out and they set up a meeting and
Speaker 1: they want to talk about maybe doing more of DC.
Speaker 1: All Stars so much fun. For those of you who
Speaker 1: don't know, God, it literally is an eighties game, and
Speaker 1: so are our Dungeon Master or game master was his
Speaker 1: dude named Sam Wit where Everybody Loves and and Uh.
Speaker 1: He wrote this basically the Breakfast Club for Superheroes movie,
Speaker 1: only with dice rolls, So it's a very linear story
Speaker 1: were the characters. There's an element of improv to it,
Speaker 1: but he knows where his story is going to go
Speaker 1: and can control it. So if if you want to
Speaker 1: see the pilot, it's out there. They put the first
Speaker 1: one for free on YouTube, and you had to pay
Speaker 1: for all the other ones. Um, but you can just
Speaker 1: kind of see what it is. So I'm going in
Speaker 1: there and I'm going to pitch him a few different
Speaker 1: versions of it. I want to pitch him a villain's version,
Speaker 1: but I want to see if they'll be down to
Speaker 1: continue our story because I felt like we had a
Speaker 1: lot more to do. You and I have my favorite
Speaker 1: interaction ever in a tabletop role playing game. Our characters
Speaker 1: had these secret goals. Do you remember this? And my
Speaker 1: character was a nerd. I was I was the dork
Speaker 1: from Breakfast Club and had no friends and was like
Speaker 1: good with computers and everyone was crapping on me and
Speaker 1: like making fun of me, and uh. By the end
Speaker 1: of the game, we've revealed our real our true identities.
Speaker 1: I was super dude and you were bad guy. And
Speaker 1: we're up on this like pedestal of this torn down
Speaker 1: chapel and we're looking in and we see the bad
Speaker 1: guys in there. And I had this special skill that
Speaker 1: if I could make one friend in this game, I
Speaker 1: would be immune to this one particular character's attacks. And
Speaker 1: we don't know each other's goals, and so this is
Speaker 1: like when you're saying you can finish these other sentences
Speaker 1: and things like that. So we're both sitting up there
Speaker 1: and I look at you and I go we're about
Speaker 1: to go into battle. And I saw it and I go, hey, hey, man,
Speaker 1: are you my friend? And what did you say? Yes?
Speaker 1: I am, And I literally threw my paper in the
Speaker 1: air and I was like, I'm jumping in and I'm
Speaker 1: taking out next luker. And you said if I make
Speaker 1: a friend he has attack doesn't work, so screw you.
Speaker 1: And Sam just throws his pencil in there and he's like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, what did I do? Why did I
Speaker 1: give him the secret? And I had so much fun
Speaker 1: playing these By now you guys are figuring out that
Speaker 1: I'm a big dork. You put me on to a
Speaker 1: d M who's a dungeon master that I want to
Speaker 1: give love to, and they told me, since my podcast,
Speaker 1: I'm allowed to do this. His name is kg Tang
Speaker 1: and he had an online professional wrestling D and D
Speaker 1: called d N d W, which you did, and you
Speaker 1: were like this what it was like a luchador? I
Speaker 1: was a lad? Uh did you hit him with Spanish?
Speaker 1: On the Oh my god, you guys are seeing the
Speaker 1: nerdy stuff. So Woods calls me from the game. I
Speaker 1: think it just from the game we just played. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, Freddy would love this. So
Speaker 1: this guy literally he facetimes and he's like, dude, you
Speaker 1: gotta come do this Dungeons and Dragons wrestling game. Are
Speaker 1: you down? And I was in my truck eating a sandwich.
Speaker 1: It was like yeah, man, sure, But I told him,
Speaker 1: I said, I gotta call Freddie Friston like wait what, yeah,
Speaker 1: Freddy with love? What Like? When I showed them that,
Speaker 1: it's you're like, oh my god, he's gonna come into
Speaker 1: the game. Dude. They were so good to me. Here's
Speaker 1: how this was the impression you left. This is how
Speaker 1: good they were to me. So I call this guy.
Speaker 1: He's this awesome dude who does voices. He's a voice
Speaker 1: actor and he does wrestling voices as well, and so
Speaker 1: his like announcer for the wrestling league is I think
Speaker 1: like an orc or troll version of j R. And
Speaker 1: so the voice is like, oh my god. So he's
Speaker 1: already locked in on that, and uh he writes every
Speaker 1: story for every single session, and I mean puts in
Speaker 1: work on it. And he says, hey, it's a monster's only.
Speaker 1: It's monster It's a monsters only had this rule. I
Speaker 1: don't it's I don't know why. That makes me laugh,
Speaker 1: but he goes, it's a monster's only wrestling league. What's
Speaker 1: your favorite monster? And so now my whole memory is
Speaker 1: white because I'm like, I'm thinking, like, you know, elves
Speaker 1: and dwarves and all this stuff, and I go the
Speaker 1: first one that pops in my head, I go an
Speaker 1: awl Beart And so for those of you don't know,
Speaker 1: it's very self explanatory. It's a giant bear with an
Speaker 1: owl head and a lot of feathers instead of fur,
Speaker 1: and it's pretty darn tough. So I I hit this
Speaker 1: guy at KG back and this is going somewhere, I promise,
Speaker 1: And I say, hey, man, can I be an Albart?
Speaker 1: And he goes, oh my god, I love you, Please
Speaker 1: be an Albert. He said, okay, so I come in.
Speaker 1: He has me roll for some statistics, so you're rolling
Speaker 1: for things like strength intelligence. That was a rough one
Speaker 1: for me, and then a bit of a backstory and
Speaker 1: some of the stats that won't bore you. And my
Speaker 1: backstory was I got cursed from eating this wizard, and
Speaker 1: the curse was I could I was now fluent in
Speaker 1: every language, um, but could no longer speak or understand
Speaker 1: my own. So I just hate everybody. I was just
Speaker 1: grumpy and pissed off, so weird. Well, you know, it's wrestling,
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna be an Indie League champion coming in
Speaker 1: with these other professional dn D players and the one
Speaker 1: her name is Christina v Christina Valence. Well, I love her.
Speaker 1: She voices ladybug girl. If any of you have kids,
Speaker 1: your kids love her too. Um. And she's the nicest
Speaker 1: out of all of them. She's like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: how brought you a present? Dada, Dada. She's a killer, Okay.
Speaker 1: She attacked me right away in the story where she
Speaker 1: came to give me a hug, made an agility roll
Speaker 1: and the success of that was she slipped something in
Speaker 1: my sock that was gonna like affect me later, right,
Speaker 1: So I was like, oh my god, you're a horrible
Speaker 1: human being. I love you. Will you please play it
Speaker 1: all my RPG, which she does now She's even played
Speaker 1: Mafia with Seth and Claire and all of us. And
Speaker 1: she's a gangster that too. Um shout out to the
Speaker 1: dnd W crew, by the way. So I'm loving all
Speaker 1: these people and I can't roll bad like no matter what,
Speaker 1: and I always rolled back. I'm like the King of
Speaker 1: the Four. Okay, So it's just seventeen eighteen twenty. I
Speaker 1: think I rolled three natural twenties. Uh in the match
Speaker 1: like that we were in against this like giant night
Speaker 1: and I killed his kill him, I take him out
Speaker 1: and I got the belt and I even did like
Speaker 1: a voice. And the point of this was I modeled
Speaker 1: him after the Big Show and literally so I made
Speaker 1: him British so he sounded like this, but he was
Speaker 1: incredibly grumpy and I even cut a promo. I was like,
Speaker 1: I have to listen to your stupid languages and here
Speaker 1: you're doing. To do this whole I had to do
Speaker 1: it on the fly, but it was and I've never
Speaker 1: done that before. It was incredible. And off of that
Speaker 1: was when you asked me to uh, sacrifice my life
Speaker 1: for a month and write you guys a tabletop RPG,
Speaker 1: which I love doing. Man, I had a plast doing that.
Speaker 1: Now I can't stop. There's literally another one right in.
Speaker 1: Um so we're dorks. Yeah, it's a little bit, and
Speaker 1: a lot of you probably are too, so in your face,
Speaker 1: in your face, I haven't heard in your face. It
Speaker 1: was big when I was in the eighties. Man, I
Speaker 1: have my Z Cavarici's bringing it back like a Jimmy
Speaker 1: Z shirt. In your face? So okay, so funny thing.
Speaker 1: So just for a second to go back to wrestling. So,
Speaker 1: like you just said, this is what's funny. So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say that if I have a problem one Monday,
Speaker 1: because it's funny to me, and I'll tell Coffee and
Speaker 1: Ei this story and I'll go, oh, this is funny
Speaker 1: that we're going. Yeah, and your face was no I
Speaker 1: said in a long time. And we'll say it and
Speaker 1: we'll giggle and someone we'll go, what why are they
Speaker 1: say in your face to ridicule me? Yeah, that's perfect,
Speaker 1: but that again like just having fun coming and doing this,
Speaker 1: like we're just having fun. I feel like this is
Speaker 1: what people enjoy it. You guys have created something that
Speaker 1: I love watching, that makes my kids laugh, that makes
Speaker 1: me an old head laugh um. And I love what
Speaker 1: you guys have done for the business. I really feel.
Speaker 1: I don't like saying people have changed the business, because
Speaker 1: everything changes the business constantly, but you guys have really
Speaker 1: helped the business evolve and find its way back to
Speaker 1: the future of w w E fans and their their
Speaker 1: logo is is you know what, then, now forever, And
Speaker 1: it's that kind of evolution that makes forever a possibility.
Speaker 1: And I think wrestling, as crazy as it is right now,
Speaker 1: I think it's in a really good place and I
Speaker 1: think it's due for really big things in the next
Speaker 1: couple of years. And I like all the competition going
Speaker 1: around right now. And I like the vibe that your
Speaker 1: generation is laying down, which is like, yeah, I'm gonna elevate,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna pull all of you up with me,
Speaker 1: And it may not be as fast as climbing over
Speaker 1: your head, but I sleep better at night. And I
Speaker 1: love that your generation is down to do this, and
Speaker 1: I see it not just from you, but from other
Speaker 1: cats you've inspired, and it's just a different way of thinking.
Speaker 1: And I love all you guys for it, but the
Speaker 1: most I just I think that seeing and hearing all
Speaker 1: of the stories from the guys and girls in the
Speaker 1: previous men and women, excuse me of the previous generation,
Speaker 1: and being able to learn from them and sit down
Speaker 1: so like, I wouldn't be in w w E if
Speaker 1: it wasn't for conversations with Devon Dudley. Yes, I got
Speaker 1: to meet him. He was so cool, like legit. So
Speaker 1: when I got released from t n A, I was
Speaker 1: again I was in that zone of man, I bet
Speaker 1: on myself and I lost. Maybe I shouldn't be a wrestler,
Speaker 1: not realizing that in that point of life. So I'm
Speaker 1: still still in college and I in my head, I
Speaker 1: was like, I can just do my school work and
Speaker 1: try to be a good wrestler, not understanding that this
Speaker 1: is a job and jobs have politics and you need
Speaker 1: to be friends with people and you need to like
Speaker 1: make sure that people see you, and you need to
Speaker 1: be knocking on doors to let people know that you
Speaker 1: want opportunities things like that. But I just didn't understand
Speaker 1: at the time, you know, so uh talking to Divon
Speaker 1: he he he gave me the game, you know, he
Speaker 1: explained all that stuff to me. He's like, this is
Speaker 1: how you are, and this is probably why this happens.
Speaker 1: Like no one knows for sure, like how things would
Speaker 1: have worked had you did things differently. So much experience
Speaker 1: in a game that he can make educated guess exactly,
Speaker 1: and so knowing things like that and hearing things from
Speaker 1: him saying because then me telling him, maybe I'm not
Speaker 1: cut out for this, He said, no, you haven't. You
Speaker 1: haven't exhausted all your options. Continue grind and continue hustling.
Speaker 1: If this is something that you want and you and
Speaker 1: you at one point thought you should be here like,
Speaker 1: then then continue to work, continue to grind and can
Speaker 1: continue to get better, and you will create more opportunities
Speaker 1: because people say, like you find opportunities or they find
Speaker 1: you like, No, you create, create and create. The luck
Speaker 1: is the intersection of skill and opportunity, Like you have
Speaker 1: to be ready and then you have to make things happen.
Speaker 1: My godfather said, it's it's luck is being prepared when
Speaker 1: the opportunity comes your way. Yes, and if you're not
Speaker 1: then you're of course you're going to fail. And so
Speaker 1: like by him sitting on the phone with me while
Speaker 1: I'm like I'm like crying to him about dude, I
Speaker 1: love the ure, like I'm I'm weeping, and he's on
Speaker 1: the phone with me for like two hours, just like
Speaker 1: comforting me, making me feel better and then pumping me
Speaker 1: up about things. By the end of the conversation, I
Speaker 1: immediately got on the phone and like started getting booked again,
Speaker 1: Like he did Devon Deadly change my life. Dude, I
Speaker 1: love that guy. I love him even more now when Man,
Speaker 1: when I did Punky Blissen and Flair came out and
Speaker 1: we're nice enough to come and do like a bit
Speaker 1: with the new Punky girl, and he was the agent
Speaker 1: that they said now and so while they were working,
Speaker 1: I was just like talking to him and just nerding out.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, dude, I used to watch how
Speaker 1: many tables do you think you went through? Just totally
Speaker 1: and he was really cool and nice to me. Man,
Speaker 1: but he just looks so tough and just I love Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got a soft spot for all y'all's he's he's
Speaker 1: the best guy you know, and so like without that conversation.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be and at this table with you you
Speaker 1: like we would have been talking like I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: in there with Kofini like I would the None of
Speaker 1: this happens without Devon taking the time to care about me,
Speaker 1: you know. And so for me, that is how I've
Speaker 1: tried to make sure I'm trying to leave things better
Speaker 1: than they were when I got here, because it's not
Speaker 1: wrestling like doing things, it's fun and having goals. Once
Speaker 1: you achieve those goals, I feel like you didn't have
Speaker 1: the responsibility to make it better for the next person. Yes,
Speaker 1: there's still things that I want to do and still
Speaker 1: things that I want to achieve as because as you
Speaker 1: as you get to your goal, your you move the
Speaker 1: goal post back some because you want to find something new.
Speaker 1: I've hit, I've hit what I wanted since I was
Speaker 1: a kid. So while I'm still trying to achieve things
Speaker 1: that I want, I also have to put equal energy
Speaker 1: into building a better path for the for the sixteen
Speaker 1: year olds that want to start wrestling next year. And
Speaker 1: it's a harder road to walk, but it's a it's
Speaker 1: an unbelievably possible road to walk down. It's just a
Speaker 1: little bit harder and people it's very difficult to say,
Speaker 1: don't just look out for you, But you don't have
Speaker 1: to just look out for you. Once you get to
Speaker 1: a certain point confidence wise, you really can bring others
Speaker 1: with you. And how more artists start doing that. It's
Speaker 1: just it's wrestlers leading the way. What do you know
Speaker 1: about that? Well do you know about that? It's one
Speaker 1: of those things where you know, you hear people like
Speaker 1: somebody got bullied and this is just like in life,
Speaker 1: like so somebody got bullied before they got into a
Speaker 1: good position in life, and then so like they're bullying
Speaker 1: people to like, you know, because that's how they were
Speaker 1: brought up. Like you know, like if you got bullied
Speaker 1: and then you became you know that that top person,
Speaker 1: wouldn't You want to just make sure that people don't
Speaker 1: go through like the bs you went through. You want
Speaker 1: to make it better. Put him in karate school, don't
Speaker 1: bully him. Yeah, give him with scholarship. So talking about
Speaker 1: Devon and just like other veterans who have like, since
Speaker 1: you're giving us the game, like we know that there's
Speaker 1: certain things that we can do to make sure that
Speaker 1: we're better off, you know, like we get to stand
Speaker 1: on their shoulders, and that's why he's doing that and
Speaker 1: sharing those two hours with you because you knew you'd
Speaker 1: be receptive to that. He's not gonna waste his time otherwise. No, no,
Speaker 1: but it's like we gotta leave it better for the
Speaker 1: next people, and they gotta leave it better for the
Speaker 1: one after them. So like it's it's cool to see
Speaker 1: everything change and to be a part of such an
Speaker 1: interesting evolution of wrestling. I feel like the past ten
Speaker 1: years wrestling is like very different just from when I
Speaker 1: was there. It's there's nothing that women had a five
Speaker 1: minute match when I worked there, and two minutes was
Speaker 1: their entrances. They get too commercial breaks now, like it's
Speaker 1: in the third hour a raw, Like it's wrestling is
Speaker 1: night and day, night and day, and I love it.
Speaker 1: It's just it's just better. We have so many, so
Speaker 1: many talented people, and there's so many talent people not
Speaker 1: just in w W but in the world at that
Speaker 1: are good at this and like, if you don't like
Speaker 1: this one, then watch that one, and you don't have
Speaker 1: to baden off this one to say that you like
Speaker 1: this one. Like there's so much space for everybody. Everything
Speaker 1: but you're the reason I know about wrestling pro wrestling.
Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite things to do is watch that.
Speaker 1: You know it is, We're gonna talk. I'm gonna talk
Speaker 1: about it. I'm gonna go deep on another episode. I
Speaker 1: even want to bring on Yeah, I want to have
Speaker 1: Kendrick here for it, because it's literally like if the
Speaker 1: kids in the Hall from HBO and Mr Show and
Speaker 1: Vince McMahon somehow made a baby and that baby wanted
Speaker 1: to be a wrestler. Oh, can I say yea side question?
Speaker 1: Can you follow me on the Socials of course, Austin
Speaker 1: Creed wins and check me out on G four t
Speaker 1: V Bay Bay. Yeah, we're not We're not. We're not
Speaker 1: ending this just yet G four TV. So I'm not
Speaker 1: even gonna lie. When I found out they were casting
Speaker 1: for it, I legit talked to Sarah and I was like, yo, there,
Speaker 1: that was like a cool show man, and She's like,
Speaker 1: you're so old, They're never I was like, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I was just talking out lab and then I see
Speaker 1: you tweet like yo, that would be like a sick job.
Speaker 1: And then it kind of it got this movement. That's
Speaker 1: the power of your positivity. It got this digital movement
Speaker 1: behind it, and all of a sudden you're like, yo, man,
Speaker 1: I'm wanna be a host on G four. That's like
Speaker 1: a dream job. And I read the text, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, that's amazing. It's like so unreal, because
Speaker 1: it's like, that's that's what like all the hustle has
Speaker 1: been for, especially like in gaming stuff, because like again,
Speaker 1: learning from guys like Devon and learning from veterans like
Speaker 1: that who are kind enough to have these conversations, like
Speaker 1: that transitional period from stopping wrestling and starting something else
Speaker 1: is weird. But then you can in any profession, as
Speaker 1: you're getting older and maybe like phasing out of something
Speaker 1: doing something and you've got to start chapter three or four,
Speaker 1: whatever you wanna call it, is like what what do
Speaker 1: I do? And Yeah, So in my head, it's like,
Speaker 1: how can I make that transition as easy as possible
Speaker 1: without feeling that anxiety like nearing the end of my
Speaker 1: career whenever that may be, And it's like just be
Speaker 1: in the space and so getting getting the green light
Speaker 1: from G four, like I don't know, that's for me,
Speaker 1: that's the biggest jump that I have have made in
Speaker 1: my head because that to me is like, all right,
Speaker 1: we accept you in the gaming experience like for real
Speaker 1: net because that there's always in my in the back
Speaker 1: of my head, I'm I'm if you haven't realized, ladies
Speaker 1: and gentlemen, I'm a very anxious person. And so whenever
Speaker 1: I do gaming stuff, even though I've been in the
Speaker 1: space for like six years now, and there's that, oh,
Speaker 1: who's this random wrestler guy on my TV? Like, and
Speaker 1: I did e a play? I know there's hell of
Speaker 1: people that have watched that that have no clue who
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods is and don't care you know, um, and
Speaker 1: they go, oh, they just hear ww like, oh it's
Speaker 1: a random wrestl he doesn't know anything about video games.
Speaker 1: But then my my job in my head is like
Speaker 1: I have to be so much more cautious, not cautious,
Speaker 1: but conscious um of of getting myself to a position
Speaker 1: where they go oh um. And so being able to
Speaker 1: do that to the point of becoming a G four
Speaker 1: host tells me my transition should be should be okay,
Speaker 1: And that's what's suddenly love you know, Yeah, it's power
Speaker 1: positivity people, And we'll speak to you guys next time.
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