1 00:00:11,697 --> 00:00:14,977 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure 2 00:00:14,977 --> 00:00:17,977 Speaker 1: you subscribe to the podcast on the iHeartRadio app or 3 00:00:18,017 --> 00:00:19,977 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. 4 00:00:20,337 --> 00:00:23,617 Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, Welcome to Buck Sexton Show. Our friend David 5 00:00:23,697 --> 00:00:26,817 Speaker 2: Efoon joins us now. He is the publisher of The 6 00:00:26,897 --> 00:00:31,257 Speaker 2: New York Sun, which has gone through a two point 7 00:00:31,337 --> 00:00:34,537 Speaker 2: zero or perhaps a three point zero, a redo, a rebirth, 8 00:00:34,617 --> 00:00:37,777 Speaker 2: a renaissance. Even David, tell everybody about what's going on 9 00:00:37,817 --> 00:00:38,257 Speaker 2: with the Sun. 10 00:00:38,737 --> 00:00:40,937 Speaker 1: Now, Buck, we're referring to it now as the third 11 00:00:41,057 --> 00:00:43,937 Speaker 1: coming of the New York Sun, if you call this. 12 00:00:44,137 --> 00:00:47,017 Speaker 1: The Sun was founded back in eighteen thirty three, was 13 00:00:47,097 --> 00:00:50,537 Speaker 1: the first successful penny daily. But it suffice it to 14 00:00:50,617 --> 00:00:53,897 Speaker 1: say that it's a newspaper that carries with it the 15 00:00:54,057 --> 00:00:58,377 Speaker 1: finest of traditions of American journalism. It's been a part 16 00:00:58,417 --> 00:01:01,977 Speaker 1: really of crafting what journalism looks like in this country 17 00:01:01,977 --> 00:01:06,617 Speaker 1: today and certainly bridging the massive gulf that exists at 18 00:01:06,657 --> 00:01:10,177 Speaker 1: the time of its founding between publishers and readers, and 19 00:01:10,297 --> 00:01:13,977 Speaker 1: today's environment, we see a similar gulf that's opened up 20 00:01:14,297 --> 00:01:20,377 Speaker 1: between readers and publishers. Certainly, trust is at ridiculously low levels, 21 00:01:20,417 --> 00:01:22,977 Speaker 1: I'm sure you've seen these numbers. You've spoken about these numbers. 22 00:01:23,017 --> 00:01:24,617 Speaker 1: I mean, every time a new poll comes out, the 23 00:01:24,617 --> 00:01:27,257 Speaker 1: bottom falls out again. And you know, we see The 24 00:01:27,377 --> 00:01:30,057 Speaker 1: Sun as a publication because of its history, because of 25 00:01:30,097 --> 00:01:36,017 Speaker 1: its tradition, because of its real adherence to the values 26 00:01:36,057 --> 00:01:39,977 Speaker 1: that have made America a unique political experiment in the 27 00:01:39,977 --> 00:01:43,537 Speaker 1: annals of history. It's support for the Constitution, its view 28 00:01:43,737 --> 00:01:46,097 Speaker 1: of all things taking place in the world through the 29 00:01:46,217 --> 00:01:52,777 Speaker 1: lens of American exceptionalism. It really is a paper that 30 00:01:53,177 --> 00:01:56,177 Speaker 1: has a special place in the hearts of many Americans 31 00:01:56,217 --> 00:01:59,497 Speaker 1: and contains within the opportunity to really bring back and 32 00:01:59,617 --> 00:02:03,937 Speaker 1: close that gap, bring back that trust between the American 33 00:02:03,977 --> 00:02:07,497 Speaker 1: public and journalists and publishers. And you know, since we've 34 00:02:07,537 --> 00:02:09,937 Speaker 1: been back at it now we're about eighteen months in, 35 00:02:11,097 --> 00:02:14,257 Speaker 1: we've been growing tremendously, been welcoming back millions of readers 36 00:02:14,297 --> 00:02:16,737 Speaker 1: to The New York Sun. And we're very excited with 37 00:02:16,777 --> 00:02:19,857 Speaker 1: the progress, but also recognize that there's a lot more 38 00:02:19,857 --> 00:02:23,017 Speaker 1: work to be done and there's a lot more growth 39 00:02:23,017 --> 00:02:23,577 Speaker 1: ahead of us. 40 00:02:23,897 --> 00:02:26,937 Speaker 2: What do you think happened to one of your competitors, 41 00:02:27,337 --> 00:02:29,337 Speaker 2: The New York Times. You know, I grew up in 42 00:02:29,377 --> 00:02:33,377 Speaker 2: a household where The New York Times was in paper 43 00:02:33,457 --> 00:02:36,457 Speaker 2: form delivered to my house every day. Both of my 44 00:02:36,577 --> 00:02:40,217 Speaker 2: parents were New York Times readers. And now to even 45 00:02:40,377 --> 00:02:43,657 Speaker 2: bring up The New York Times in the Sexton household 46 00:02:43,657 --> 00:02:45,977 Speaker 2: when I'm back in New York visiting, it's like a 47 00:02:46,017 --> 00:02:48,377 Speaker 2: forbidden word. You know what happened over there. 48 00:02:49,577 --> 00:02:51,937 Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's interesting that you mentioned the Times. 49 00:02:52,097 --> 00:02:54,977 Speaker 1: The Sun is most often seen as a sort of 50 00:02:55,057 --> 00:02:57,937 Speaker 1: counterway to the Time because we've sort of both have 51 00:02:58,057 --> 00:03:01,897 Speaker 1: two hundred years of that history. There's Pulitzer Prizes in 52 00:03:02,017 --> 00:03:05,977 Speaker 1: both of our history. It's a New York City broadsheet 53 00:03:06,017 --> 00:03:08,657 Speaker 1: with that Gothic massthead and a focus on arts and 54 00:03:08,657 --> 00:03:11,897 Speaker 1: culture and politics like like the New York Times. But 55 00:03:11,977 --> 00:03:15,617 Speaker 1: sufficing to say that, you know, in terms of the substance, 56 00:03:15,657 --> 00:03:18,977 Speaker 1: the Sun is everything that the New York Times is not. 57 00:03:19,217 --> 00:03:22,417 Speaker 1: I mean, the New York Times is certainly a figurehead. 58 00:03:22,537 --> 00:03:25,137 Speaker 1: It represents a lot of what we've seen in terms 59 00:03:25,177 --> 00:03:28,257 Speaker 1: of the erosion of standards in media and journalism in 60 00:03:28,297 --> 00:03:32,377 Speaker 1: America today. That Washington Posts, for example, is another one. 61 00:03:32,697 --> 00:03:36,777 Speaker 1: You know, you have a situation where instead of seeing 62 00:03:36,777 --> 00:03:40,017 Speaker 1: their role as holding the powerful to account on behalf 63 00:03:40,057 --> 00:03:43,657 Speaker 1: of the public. A lot of these papers effectively serve 64 00:03:43,817 --> 00:03:46,857 Speaker 1: as the enforcement arm of the interests that they favor. 65 00:03:47,217 --> 00:03:50,377 Speaker 1: They are holding the public to account on behalf of 66 00:03:50,457 --> 00:03:52,817 Speaker 1: the powers, the powers that they favor. You know, they've 67 00:03:52,817 --> 00:03:55,817 Speaker 1: become a sort of thought police. And you know, it's 68 00:03:55,857 --> 00:04:01,137 Speaker 1: our view that this sorry state of affairs really underpins 69 00:04:01,217 --> 00:04:03,337 Speaker 1: a lot of the rot that we see in our democracy. 70 00:04:03,417 --> 00:04:05,537 Speaker 1: I mean, at the end of the day, the First 71 00:04:05,617 --> 00:04:08,857 Speaker 1: Amendment and the press in general are supposed to be 72 00:04:08,897 --> 00:04:12,577 Speaker 1: the institution that us when all else fails. The press 73 00:04:12,657 --> 00:04:16,257 Speaker 1: is supposed to serve as the backstuff of democracy. When 74 00:04:16,417 --> 00:04:21,897 Speaker 1: government agencies, when politicians, when major industries go off the rail, 75 00:04:22,297 --> 00:04:25,017 Speaker 1: the press are supposed to hold them to account. And 76 00:04:25,257 --> 00:04:29,017 Speaker 1: you know, without that, you have a situation where, you know, 77 00:04:29,097 --> 00:04:32,497 Speaker 1: all of these big goliaths in American public life have 78 00:04:32,657 --> 00:04:35,297 Speaker 1: no real checks and balances, and you've seen sort of 79 00:04:35,377 --> 00:04:39,177 Speaker 1: how they work together to orchestrate preferred outcomes that are 80 00:04:39,257 --> 00:04:41,017 Speaker 1: very often and not in the interest of the American 81 00:04:41,097 --> 00:04:44,337 Speaker 1: public and the interests of the American people. So, you know, 82 00:04:44,377 --> 00:04:46,817 Speaker 1: we believe in a form of journalism that puts the 83 00:04:46,857 --> 00:04:49,657 Speaker 1: American people first. We serve the people, We answer to 84 00:04:50,057 --> 00:04:53,937 Speaker 1: the people only. We are primarily a subscription based business. 85 00:04:53,977 --> 00:04:56,177 Speaker 1: You know, the vast majority of our revenue comes from 86 00:04:56,537 --> 00:05:00,417 Speaker 1: from paying subscribers by our website. We don't have major 87 00:05:00,457 --> 00:05:04,297 Speaker 1: advertisers that we're beholding to, for example. And that's how 88 00:05:04,297 --> 00:05:07,097 Speaker 1: we believe it should be a paper that answers to 89 00:05:07,177 --> 00:05:10,337 Speaker 1: the American public and serves the American public. And we 90 00:05:10,377 --> 00:05:12,617 Speaker 1: see that as sort of the way forward in the 91 00:05:12,617 --> 00:05:15,577 Speaker 1: solution and the pasta salvation for American journalism. 92 00:05:16,177 --> 00:05:19,337 Speaker 2: What do you think is going to happen now that 93 00:05:20,057 --> 00:05:24,897 Speaker 2: we're entering into another presidential election cycle. The last time around, 94 00:05:26,017 --> 00:05:29,777 Speaker 2: the Washington Post effectively had said that to tell the 95 00:05:29,817 --> 00:05:31,497 Speaker 2: truth is to be anti Trump. I mean, the New 96 00:05:31,577 --> 00:05:33,977 Speaker 2: York Times felt the same way, whether they said it 97 00:05:34,017 --> 00:05:37,217 Speaker 2: out loud or not as a as an entity, as 98 00:05:37,257 --> 00:05:41,817 Speaker 2: an institution, and CNN certainly became an entirely anti Trump network. 99 00:05:41,817 --> 00:05:44,217 Speaker 2: I mean, no serious person could think that CNN under 100 00:05:44,297 --> 00:05:47,417 Speaker 2: Jeff Zucker's tenure in the Trump era was anything other 101 00:05:47,457 --> 00:05:52,137 Speaker 2: than just rapidly anti Trump. But that came with a 102 00:05:52,217 --> 00:05:55,217 Speaker 2: cost for those those entities that pretend that they are 103 00:05:56,017 --> 00:06:01,137 Speaker 2: non partisan, unbiased journalistic journalistic operations. Do you think they're 104 00:06:01,137 --> 00:06:04,537 Speaker 2: just gonna flip back toward that or are they going 105 00:06:04,617 --> 00:06:09,137 Speaker 2: to try to walk a somewhat more a delicate line. 106 00:06:09,177 --> 00:06:11,977 Speaker 2: There's still going to be posed to Trump Democrat, of course, 107 00:06:12,537 --> 00:06:15,217 Speaker 2: but maybe not the same degree. Or will they What 108 00:06:15,257 --> 00:06:17,617 Speaker 2: do you think happens? I mean, does the pendulum swing 109 00:06:17,737 --> 00:06:22,017 Speaker 2: all the way back to these papers and channels exist 110 00:06:22,337 --> 00:06:25,617 Speaker 2: just to defeat the Republican for the bene and specifically 111 00:06:25,697 --> 00:06:27,497 Speaker 2: Trump for the benefit of Joe Biden. 112 00:06:29,057 --> 00:06:31,217 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, the chances that you're going to have 113 00:06:31,337 --> 00:06:35,657 Speaker 1: any degree of moderation and introspection are really not that likely. 114 00:06:35,697 --> 00:06:38,977 Speaker 1: I mean, it's interesting. In the week or so that 115 00:06:39,057 --> 00:06:43,577 Speaker 1: followed Trump's election in twenty sixteen, the New York Times 116 00:06:43,577 --> 00:06:48,097 Speaker 1: did publish some introspective pieces looking back and really even 117 00:06:48,177 --> 00:06:50,737 Speaker 1: apologizing to the readers and say we're sorry we missed this. 118 00:06:50,857 --> 00:06:55,417 Speaker 1: We're sorry we didn't present any perspectives that explain why 119 00:06:55,457 --> 00:06:57,297 Speaker 1: this might be happening or how the rest of the 120 00:06:57,337 --> 00:07:00,737 Speaker 1: country might be feeling. We really blindsided you guys by 121 00:07:01,297 --> 00:07:05,497 Speaker 1: not even allowing that this outcome was a possibility. But 122 00:07:05,577 --> 00:07:08,577 Speaker 1: that lasted for about forty eight hours and not much longer. 123 00:07:08,577 --> 00:07:10,977 Speaker 1: And you know, every thing in terms of how they've 124 00:07:10,977 --> 00:07:16,497 Speaker 1: conducted themselves following that point have really effectively served as 125 00:07:16,497 --> 00:07:19,057 Speaker 1: a walk pack of any any kind of introspection that 126 00:07:19,137 --> 00:07:22,257 Speaker 1: happened at that point. And you know, these papers, you know, 127 00:07:22,337 --> 00:07:24,737 Speaker 1: will have a market, they'll have a limited market. You 128 00:07:24,737 --> 00:07:29,297 Speaker 1: know that they've sort of become an extension of you know, 129 00:07:29,657 --> 00:07:32,337 Speaker 1: political elements in the country, and those folks that are 130 00:07:32,737 --> 00:07:36,457 Speaker 1: very active and aligned with those politics, you know, may 131 00:07:36,897 --> 00:07:39,777 Speaker 1: become members and may generate revenue for these publications, and 132 00:07:39,817 --> 00:07:41,577 Speaker 1: they may have an audience, but at the end of 133 00:07:41,657 --> 00:07:44,857 Speaker 1: the day, they're putting themselves in a box and really 134 00:07:44,897 --> 00:07:49,377 Speaker 1: limiting the audience that they have, but also the influence 135 00:07:49,417 --> 00:07:52,057 Speaker 1: and the impact that they have because you know, the 136 00:07:52,097 --> 00:07:55,217 Speaker 1: majority of Americans. You know now eighty four percent of 137 00:07:55,257 --> 00:07:59,577 Speaker 1: Americans do not trust newspapers. That includes, according to God, 138 00:07:59,817 --> 00:08:03,377 Speaker 1: ninety five percent of Republicans, eighty eight percent of Independents, 139 00:08:03,417 --> 00:08:06,657 Speaker 1: and sixty five percent of Democrats. So you know, they 140 00:08:06,697 --> 00:08:11,457 Speaker 1: may build sustainable businesses, but they're severely limited the opportunity 141 00:08:12,497 --> 00:08:16,177 Speaker 1: to have an impact and really influence in the long term, 142 00:08:16,337 --> 00:08:19,017 Speaker 1: you know, American public life and discourse and those that 143 00:08:19,057 --> 00:08:21,617 Speaker 1: are going to come into the market and bring a 144 00:08:21,617 --> 00:08:25,417 Speaker 1: product to the table that really serves the American people 145 00:08:25,697 --> 00:08:29,177 Speaker 1: and American interests. You know, that's where the opportunity to 146 00:08:29,217 --> 00:08:32,097 Speaker 1: seize market share is going to come into play. And 147 00:08:32,297 --> 00:08:33,977 Speaker 1: you know we see that as a wide open playing 148 00:08:34,017 --> 00:08:37,497 Speaker 1: field that we're right at the forefront of taking hold of. 149 00:08:38,777 --> 00:08:41,657 Speaker 2: David, I want you to tell everybody about in a moment, 150 00:08:42,257 --> 00:08:45,057 Speaker 2: what is going on right now with the constitutional crisis 151 00:08:45,497 --> 00:08:47,977 Speaker 2: overseas in Israel, which I know you're following closely, But 152 00:08:48,057 --> 00:08:50,457 Speaker 2: give me one second here because I want to talk 153 00:08:50,457 --> 00:08:54,177 Speaker 2: about the Tunnel the Towers Foundation. First look, we all 154 00:08:54,217 --> 00:08:58,857 Speaker 2: remember what happened on nine to eleven, two thousand, nine 155 00:08:58,897 --> 00:09:01,457 Speaker 2: hundred and seventy seven people lost their lives and there 156 00:09:01,457 --> 00:09:03,977 Speaker 2: are still nine to eleven related illnesses that are taking 157 00:09:04,097 --> 00:09:07,657 Speaker 2: lives to this day. But the up and coming generation, 158 00:09:08,377 --> 00:09:10,337 Speaker 2: a lot of them don't really understand very much about 159 00:09:10,337 --> 00:09:13,217 Speaker 2: our nation's darkest day. But the Tunnel the Towers nine 160 00:09:13,217 --> 00:09:16,297 Speaker 2: to eleven Institute is doing something about this by educating 161 00:09:16,377 --> 00:09:19,257 Speaker 2: kids in kindergarten through twelfth grade about nine to eleven. 162 00:09:19,537 --> 00:09:22,377 Speaker 2: Their nonfiction first person accounts are told through videos and 163 00:09:22,377 --> 00:09:25,457 Speaker 2: book series. These accounts are moving and unparalleled. Kids won't 164 00:09:25,497 --> 00:09:28,977 Speaker 2: forget these true stories. The institute offers full curriculum units 165 00:09:28,977 --> 00:09:32,337 Speaker 2: with scripted social studies, lessons, activities and background for teachers. 166 00:09:32,657 --> 00:09:35,577 Speaker 2: They've organized a speaker's bureau for classrooms with access to 167 00:09:35,657 --> 00:09:39,137 Speaker 2: nine to eleven first responders, survivors and loved ones. Talta 168 00:09:39,177 --> 00:09:41,457 Speaker 2: Towers has built a mobile exhibit as well. It's a 169 00:09:41,537 --> 00:09:45,017 Speaker 2: tractor trailer with an interactive museum with nine to eleven artifacts. 170 00:09:45,337 --> 00:09:47,777 Speaker 2: All this so that we will never forget. We must 171 00:09:47,897 --> 00:09:51,337 Speaker 2: educate future generations as well. Let's help our nation honor 172 00:09:51,377 --> 00:09:54,297 Speaker 2: its vowe donate eleven dollars a month the Tauta Towers 173 00:09:54,337 --> 00:09:56,897 Speaker 2: at T two t dot org. That's t the number 174 00:09:56,897 --> 00:10:01,457 Speaker 2: two t dot org. Dovid tell me about this constitutional 175 00:10:01,497 --> 00:10:02,937 Speaker 2: crisis in Israel. What's going on? 176 00:10:05,217 --> 00:10:08,777 Speaker 1: Well, First of all, the important thing to note is 177 00:10:08,777 --> 00:10:13,497 Speaker 1: that despite the fact that it's emerging into the public consciousness, 178 00:10:13,537 --> 00:10:17,177 Speaker 1: certainly in this country and making all the headlines in 179 00:10:17,297 --> 00:10:18,377 Speaker 1: recent days. 180 00:10:18,137 --> 00:10:19,897 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I meant to say, I meant to say 181 00:10:19,977 --> 00:10:22,897 Speaker 2: judicial crisis. Pardon me, I don't in this country within. 182 00:10:23,537 --> 00:10:27,337 Speaker 1: There is there's a there's a constitutional crisis component to 183 00:10:27,377 --> 00:10:27,737 Speaker 1: it as. 184 00:10:27,617 --> 00:10:30,057 Speaker 2: Well, which go ahead, go ahead. 185 00:10:29,697 --> 00:10:32,177 Speaker 1: Israel doesn't have its own constitution, but you know, the 186 00:10:32,217 --> 00:10:34,377 Speaker 1: equivalent of it, you know, what are the basic laws 187 00:10:34,377 --> 00:10:37,777 Speaker 1: of the country. You know, that's you know, certainly a 188 00:10:37,777 --> 00:10:40,377 Speaker 1: big part of the debate. But you know, effectively, for 189 00:10:40,377 --> 00:10:43,177 Speaker 1: for some time now, for for for quite a number 190 00:10:43,177 --> 00:10:47,057 Speaker 1: of decades, actually since the early nineties, the right in 191 00:10:47,177 --> 00:10:50,577 Speaker 1: Israel and and beyond the right, the right wing in Israel, 192 00:10:50,977 --> 00:10:55,577 Speaker 1: have had some serious concerns about you know, what they 193 00:10:55,857 --> 00:10:59,417 Speaker 1: determined to be a judicial overreach. Now, just to give 194 00:10:59,417 --> 00:11:02,697 Speaker 1: you a sense of what that means, the Supreme Court 195 00:11:02,737 --> 00:11:06,777 Speaker 1: in Israel has a number of elements to it that, 196 00:11:07,257 --> 00:11:10,297 Speaker 1: for example, if they existed here in the United States, 197 00:11:10,577 --> 00:11:13,257 Speaker 1: would be a matter of great concern. You know, First 198 00:11:13,257 --> 00:11:15,857 Speaker 1: and foremost among them is that, you know, there's a 199 00:11:15,897 --> 00:11:21,617 Speaker 1: panel of nine individuals that selects replacement judges. They need 200 00:11:21,857 --> 00:11:25,257 Speaker 1: seven yeses in order to appoint a new judge, and 201 00:11:25,417 --> 00:11:28,577 Speaker 1: three of the folks on the panel are current Supreme 202 00:11:28,577 --> 00:11:31,977 Speaker 1: Court justices and they always vote together. So effectively, the 203 00:11:32,017 --> 00:11:36,137 Speaker 1: existing Supreme Court justices have veto power over the appointment 204 00:11:36,177 --> 00:11:39,417 Speaker 1: of any new justices. So instead of having a situation 205 00:11:39,577 --> 00:11:42,097 Speaker 1: like you have in this country, where depending on who's 206 00:11:42,137 --> 00:11:44,537 Speaker 1: in power, you might get some justices on the right, 207 00:11:44,617 --> 00:11:46,897 Speaker 1: some justices on the left, and you know, the long run, 208 00:11:46,977 --> 00:11:50,257 Speaker 1: it tends to balance out. You know, in Israel it 209 00:11:50,377 --> 00:11:54,817 Speaker 1: is basically permanently left aligned Supreme Court because of the 210 00:11:54,857 --> 00:11:57,457 Speaker 1: way things have unfolded. You know. On top of that, 211 00:11:57,817 --> 00:12:01,297 Speaker 1: you know, the Supreme Court has certain powers, including the 212 00:12:01,337 --> 00:12:05,257 Speaker 1: capacity to override laws that are passed by the Israeli 213 00:12:05,417 --> 00:12:09,177 Speaker 1: version of Congress, the Knesset, based on a concept that 214 00:12:09,297 --> 00:12:13,737 Speaker 1: it defines if the court defines those laws as being unreasonable. 215 00:12:14,057 --> 00:12:19,737 Speaker 1: They veto recently the appointment of a government minister, you know, 216 00:12:19,817 --> 00:12:23,737 Speaker 1: on the basis that they determined it was unreasonable, and 217 00:12:23,777 --> 00:12:27,417 Speaker 1: they also involved in the appointment of lower court justices, 218 00:12:29,097 --> 00:12:32,457 Speaker 1: and they also hear a hell of a lot more cases. 219 00:12:33,177 --> 00:12:35,177 Speaker 1: It's not you know, like in this country at court 220 00:12:35,217 --> 00:12:37,337 Speaker 1: a final appeal, there are certain cases that can go 221 00:12:37,457 --> 00:12:40,337 Speaker 1: straight to the Supreme Court. So on an average year 222 00:12:40,817 --> 00:12:43,417 Speaker 1: they could here up to eight thousand cases in Americas, 223 00:12:43,657 --> 00:12:45,617 Speaker 1: you know, two to three hundred that the Supreme Court 224 00:12:45,657 --> 00:12:50,017 Speaker 1: will hear. So it's impact on day to day decisions 225 00:12:50,057 --> 00:12:54,377 Speaker 1: for Israels and life in Israel and governance are very, very, 226 00:12:54,457 --> 00:12:57,217 Speaker 1: very significant. And you know this was one of the 227 00:12:57,217 --> 00:13:00,537 Speaker 1: things that the new government that was voted in, you know, 228 00:13:00,617 --> 00:13:04,377 Speaker 1: most recently campaigned on. But it's also an issue that 229 00:13:04,697 --> 00:13:07,617 Speaker 1: the breat in Israel has been seeking to gain traction 230 00:13:07,817 --> 00:13:13,177 Speaker 1: for quite some time to reform the this judicial structure, 231 00:13:13,257 --> 00:13:16,617 Speaker 1: where in their view, the Supreme Court has too much 232 00:13:16,697 --> 00:13:20,137 Speaker 1: power and effectively can override in too many ways the 233 00:13:20,217 --> 00:13:25,137 Speaker 1: democratically elected representatives of the State of Israel. So that's 234 00:13:25,177 --> 00:13:28,177 Speaker 1: a bit of the background, and obviously those opponents of 235 00:13:28,217 --> 00:13:31,177 Speaker 1: this reform will say, you know, well, you need to 236 00:13:31,177 --> 00:13:34,897 Speaker 1: have checks and balances of the government before, because Israel 237 00:13:34,977 --> 00:13:37,777 Speaker 1: doesn't have you know, three branches of government like we 238 00:13:37,857 --> 00:13:40,937 Speaker 1: do here in the United States. You know, Israel, the 239 00:13:42,017 --> 00:13:46,057 Speaker 1: Prime Minister of Israel is the head of the party 240 00:13:46,097 --> 00:13:50,017 Speaker 1: that's elected in Israel's Congress, in the Kanesset, So you 241 00:13:50,057 --> 00:13:54,417 Speaker 1: can't have a scenario where the majority of Congress, for example, 242 00:13:54,857 --> 00:13:58,177 Speaker 1: is of a different party than the executive is, which 243 00:13:58,217 --> 00:14:00,497 Speaker 1: could serve as a check and balance. So, you know, 244 00:14:00,537 --> 00:14:03,777 Speaker 1: they'll say because effectively, you know, the opponents of the 245 00:14:03,857 --> 00:14:06,897 Speaker 1: judicial reform will say, because effectively the Supreme Court is 246 00:14:06,937 --> 00:14:10,937 Speaker 1: the only check imponents that exists, you know, they need 247 00:14:10,977 --> 00:14:13,737 Speaker 1: to have more powers than they have in other places, 248 00:14:13,777 --> 00:14:15,737 Speaker 1: you know, and then you know the other side will 249 00:14:15,737 --> 00:14:18,017 Speaker 1: counter argue and say, well, there are other checks and 250 00:14:18,057 --> 00:14:21,457 Speaker 1: balances that can support minorities in the country. You know, 251 00:14:21,537 --> 00:14:23,097 Speaker 1: this idea that you know, there are a lot of 252 00:14:23,137 --> 00:14:25,977 Speaker 1: smaller parties that make up the coalition, for example, that 253 00:14:26,057 --> 00:14:30,097 Speaker 1: conserves a checking balance to protect the interests of minority groups. 254 00:14:30,217 --> 00:14:33,337 Speaker 1: So you know, this is a raging debate in Israeli society, 255 00:14:34,697 --> 00:14:38,457 Speaker 1: and certainly it's reached a fever pitch at this point. 256 00:14:38,457 --> 00:14:41,137 Speaker 1: There were protests, large protests on both sides of the Aisle, 257 00:14:41,497 --> 00:14:46,057 Speaker 1: and just yesterday there was a water down and negotiated 258 00:14:46,097 --> 00:14:50,097 Speaker 1: piece of legislation that was passed that overrides the ability 259 00:14:50,097 --> 00:14:55,177 Speaker 1: of the Supreme Court to nix any unreasonable laws or 260 00:14:55,257 --> 00:14:58,497 Speaker 1: laws on the basis of unreasonableness. 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And you know the 293 00:16:34,537 --> 00:16:38,457 Speaker 1: big contender at his chumping at his heels was DeSantis 294 00:16:38,537 --> 00:16:41,737 Speaker 1: and then you know the rest of the others. You 295 00:16:41,777 --> 00:16:44,897 Speaker 1: know what you've seen up and now, certainly in some 296 00:16:44,897 --> 00:16:48,097 Speaker 1: some of the most recent polls, is that Desantas seems 297 00:16:48,137 --> 00:16:52,177 Speaker 1: to have declined somewhat. And you know, this fellow Vvek 298 00:16:53,177 --> 00:16:56,497 Speaker 1: is gathering a lot of attraction and suddenly exciting some 299 00:16:56,537 --> 00:17:00,097 Speaker 1: of the younger folks. And I think what it speaks 300 00:17:00,137 --> 00:17:06,577 Speaker 1: to is the centrality of policy prescriptions. You know, even 301 00:17:06,617 --> 00:17:09,577 Speaker 1: at this stage in the campaign, you know, there's certainly 302 00:17:09,697 --> 00:17:12,857 Speaker 1: the you know, the beat the Libs element, you know, 303 00:17:12,937 --> 00:17:15,417 Speaker 1: as you might put it back, you know, the you know, 304 00:17:15,457 --> 00:17:17,937 Speaker 1: who has the ability to sort of withstand the pressure 305 00:17:17,977 --> 00:17:21,177 Speaker 1: and fight back against you know, what the democratic agenda 306 00:17:21,257 --> 00:17:24,777 Speaker 1: might be. And in that respect, you know, Trump is 307 00:17:24,817 --> 00:17:28,577 Speaker 1: seen as as as as potent and certainly the scentists 308 00:17:28,697 --> 00:17:30,817 Speaker 1: was seen as potented as well. But I think when 309 00:17:30,857 --> 00:17:34,297 Speaker 1: it comes to to brass tax you know, the Americans 310 00:17:35,137 --> 00:17:39,257 Speaker 1: are interested in prescriptions, and they're interested policy prescriptions, interested 311 00:17:39,257 --> 00:17:44,297 Speaker 1: in ideas that can help solve some of the issues 312 00:17:45,217 --> 00:17:48,297 Speaker 1: that that are plaguing this country. Certainly when it comes 313 00:17:48,337 --> 00:17:50,777 Speaker 1: to you know, what typically referred to as those dinner 314 00:17:50,817 --> 00:17:54,777 Speaker 1: table issues, you know, paying for things, increasing income inflation, 315 00:17:54,857 --> 00:17:58,497 Speaker 1: et cetera. And then if you recall, you know, back 316 00:17:58,977 --> 00:18:01,097 Speaker 1: in the in the previous campaign, I think it was 317 00:18:01,097 --> 00:18:04,257 Speaker 1: twenty twenty twelve when Herman Kane was a big deal. 318 00:18:04,577 --> 00:18:07,737 Speaker 1: You know, he had his nine nine nine you know 319 00:18:07,897 --> 00:18:10,737 Speaker 1: taxation idea that kind of capt up at him for 320 00:18:10,817 --> 00:18:15,097 Speaker 1: a very short moment, you know, into the leadership of 321 00:18:15,137 --> 00:18:17,817 Speaker 1: the pack. But I think that was another early indication 322 00:18:17,937 --> 00:18:21,577 Speaker 1: of how, you know, smart policy prescriptions that make sense 323 00:18:22,177 --> 00:18:25,137 Speaker 1: and that can really impact Americans in a in a 324 00:18:25,297 --> 00:18:30,337 Speaker 1: significant way, can really make a difference for a candidate. 325 00:18:30,457 --> 00:18:33,057 Speaker 1: And you know, to those you know that are that 326 00:18:33,137 --> 00:18:36,257 Speaker 1: are vying for an opportunity to get out of the 327 00:18:36,377 --> 00:18:39,657 Speaker 1: head of the pack, I would you know, recommend you know, 328 00:18:39,737 --> 00:18:41,857 Speaker 1: don't think so much about the post and don't even 329 00:18:41,857 --> 00:18:44,577 Speaker 1: think so much about you know, beating the other side. 330 00:18:44,897 --> 00:18:48,737 Speaker 1: But think about you know, putting recommendations and ideas on 331 00:18:48,777 --> 00:18:52,097 Speaker 1: the table that you're pledging to implement that will actually 332 00:18:52,297 --> 00:18:55,417 Speaker 1: impact and help American people. And y've x been tremendous 333 00:18:55,457 --> 00:18:59,137 Speaker 1: at that. You know, he's talking about, you know, gutting rigged, 334 00:18:59,537 --> 00:19:02,617 Speaker 1: you know, gutting the prominent of education and using the 335 00:19:02,617 --> 00:19:06,097 Speaker 1: funds to to provide you know, school choice. I mean 336 00:19:06,337 --> 00:19:08,217 Speaker 1: that is something that's going to have an impact on 337 00:19:08,377 --> 00:19:12,337 Speaker 1: millions of parents in the country, and you know, in 338 00:19:12,417 --> 00:19:15,497 Speaker 1: terms of the bottom line impact, and you know, when 339 00:19:15,537 --> 00:19:18,617 Speaker 1: people have to think about, you know, who they going 340 00:19:18,617 --> 00:19:20,777 Speaker 1: to favor, who they're going to vote for, you know 341 00:19:20,817 --> 00:19:24,617 Speaker 1: it certainly nothing beats the idea, the case that you 342 00:19:24,657 --> 00:19:27,217 Speaker 1: can make for someone that's going to actually help your 343 00:19:27,217 --> 00:19:30,937 Speaker 1: bottom line at home. 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The democrat side of things, where 368 00:20:40,857 --> 00:20:45,217 Speaker 2: do you see Biden Harris and any of the others? 369 00:20:45,897 --> 00:20:48,177 Speaker 2: RFK Junior, how do you see all this coming together 370 00:20:48,257 --> 00:20:48,657 Speaker 2: so far. 371 00:20:50,417 --> 00:20:52,057 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, part of I'd say the 372 00:20:52,097 --> 00:20:55,457 Speaker 1: appeal that RFK has is that you know he is 373 00:20:55,537 --> 00:21:00,377 Speaker 1: talking about substantive issues, and you know there are issues 374 00:21:00,417 --> 00:21:03,257 Speaker 1: that are on people's minds that you know he's not 375 00:21:03,497 --> 00:21:05,977 Speaker 1: afraid to talk about. I mean, it's surprising that he's 376 00:21:05,977 --> 00:21:09,777 Speaker 1: sort of gathered this much traction. You know, it's no 377 00:21:10,137 --> 00:21:13,377 Speaker 1: prize that it's basically impossible for him to beat the 378 00:21:13,377 --> 00:21:16,337 Speaker 1: party machine at this point. And you know, Biden and 379 00:21:16,377 --> 00:21:20,297 Speaker 1: Harris are shoeing. Provided that Biden can can can live 380 00:21:20,337 --> 00:21:23,337 Speaker 1: that long, I can stay with us for that long 381 00:21:24,657 --> 00:21:31,097 Speaker 1: question both in terms of his you know, physical health 382 00:21:31,177 --> 00:21:34,857 Speaker 1: and and and also mental health. But you know, if 383 00:21:34,857 --> 00:21:36,777 Speaker 1: he's if he's there and in more or less the 384 00:21:36,777 --> 00:21:40,217 Speaker 1: same condition that he's that he's in today, I'd say 385 00:21:40,217 --> 00:21:44,537 Speaker 1: it's hard to see a practical situation in which you know, 386 00:21:44,617 --> 00:21:47,137 Speaker 1: he's not the candidate, and you know he'll certainly be 387 00:21:47,657 --> 00:21:49,857 Speaker 1: an even weaker candidate than he was last time, and 388 00:21:49,897 --> 00:21:53,017 Speaker 1: he certainly wasn't a strong candidate in twenty twenty. So 389 00:21:54,377 --> 00:21:57,137 Speaker 1: you know that that that that certainly opens up opportunity 390 00:21:57,217 --> 00:22:00,057 Speaker 1: for for the for the challenger, whether it's Trump, or 391 00:22:00,097 --> 00:22:03,377 Speaker 1: somebody else, most likely Trump to have another go at it, 392 00:22:03,457 --> 00:22:07,657 Speaker 1: and and uh and and you really do well, David. 393 00:22:07,737 --> 00:22:10,217 Speaker 2: For people who want to check out the Sun, where 394 00:22:10,257 --> 00:22:11,857 Speaker 2: should they go? How can they become a subscriber? 395 00:22:13,457 --> 00:22:17,817 Speaker 1: Go to nysun dot com www dot nysun dot com. 396 00:22:17,897 --> 00:22:21,177 Speaker 1: Check it out. We'd love to have you. Everybody's welcome. 397 00:22:21,217 --> 00:22:23,817 Speaker 1: We've got this great penny a day. 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